Grunge is so loosely defined anyways. Soundgarden and Alice In Chains had a metal influence, Pearl Jam was more of the 70s stadium rock type band, and Nirvana was more like an alternative band with a big punk influence much like the Pixies. The only reason these groups are associated as playing the same type of music is mostly due to where they came from and when they emerged.
Ty Manning - I agree. Grunge was a title slapped on the "Seattle Sound" by media outlets. Most of the bands didn't even acknowledge grunge as a genre. Kurt Cobain hated the term.
Yea I don`t think PJ liked the grunge title too much, they were quick to change their sound and kept doing it pretty much each record...Eddie even changed his singing style around No Code... When I think of grunge it is usually either early Nirvana Bleach era, or AIC`s self titled album.....2 totally different sounds but both kind of sludgy and grungy.
jmorrisey79 look up Nirvana interview 1990, it's a video with Chad and one of the questions to Kurt is who or what is Nirvana, i think you'd be interested with the answer
Buzz Osbourne; Thank you for making Kurt that tape that turned him onto punk. Thank you for putting Dave Grohl in touch with Kurt and Krist. Most of all, thank you for defending Kurt against all the bullshit people are being fed about him/his death. The only other "famous" person who has balls enough to talk about the Cobain death honestly is Fat Mike and the guys from NOFX. Props.
@@urwinloefstop i wish people like you would stop listening to nirvana and calling yourselves fans smh yall are the reason i have to hide that im a nirvana fan, because most of the fans are posers media w h 0 r 3 5
The first time I saw 'Montage of Heck'...it struck me as actually trying to make Kurt Cobain look bad. Then I found out Courtney Love had a big hand in it and it all made sense.
Even though I'm sure they're so tired of hearing and talking about such a shitty time in their lives where they lost a friend, I'd love to hear their stories of Kurt. Like a short book or something where they just go "heres the guy we knew. He's what we know is bullshit. The end."
I'm sure they'd never do anything to make money off of their relationship with him, even if their intentions were good. I'm not even a Melvins fan but they have a lot of class.
I think something that Kat Bjelland of "Babes in Toyland" said describes Courtney's involvement in Montage of Heck well. “Only about a quarter of what Courtney says is true. But nobody usually bothers to decipher which are the lies."
Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see is the perfect analogy when it all comes down to it te the whole Kurt /Courtney saga. Some women are opportunists. Courtney would be in that category.
I was really disturbed by Montage of Heck, it was so exploitative and I felt dirty for watching it. You’re just viewing someone’s deepest darkest feelings and flaws, all of those incredibly personal things that aren’t meant for the world just being carelessly tossed out to the public for another cash grab. It was just disrespectful in my opinion.
@@lynsieleake4256 don’t put any faith in his “wife” whom he was planning to leave… …think about it… … then realize it doesn’t take much thought not to trust Courtney love.
I saw these guys open for Primus in the early 90s at U of Maryland. It was a revelation, and after I regained my hearing I bought several albums. There are few musicians who seem fun to be around, these guys are at the top of the list.
While I think it’s more likely that they knew him better than someone doing research (since they DID know him personally), you can hide being suicidal very well. When my mental health got bad many people I knew personally didn’t know.
It also can be otherwise. Many people assumed that I'm very gloom and sad while I just want to punch them in the face for that, because I'm totally fun, fine and well
For real! None of my bros ever knew I was depressed they were shocked when I opened up. Didn't want them to know cus that would fuck with me more and you can almost find solace in keeping up w/ a phisade
I had the lovely opportunity of sitting down with these guys in Brooklyn many years ago. At the time I was dealing with the death of my best friend, and they were super accommodating, and spoke to me about all kinds of stuff very candidly, with the caveat I don't write about it. It really helped me out, and I'm eternally grateful for that. Much love guys.
@@jayhelm9632 Dragline is still one of my favorite albums ! Almost nobody, knows about them. I think they still go out and play a few gigs where the live. Can't forget "death to traitors". Mark Hennessy is in my top five singers of the grunge /post era. You fine taste Jay !
Just wanna say that Frances has come out since and said she was unhappy with the film, and that due to addiction she couldnt play a bigger role in it. She really wants to do right by her dad
Nicholas Fanzo courtney had the most influence on the film and frances was struggling with addiction during its making. So im just saying people should attack frances bc she actually wanted to do a good job and knows it didnt turn out right
Well it seems like Franny is doing jez' fine now as she is instrumental, pun intended, of personally whoring out her Dads memory with a Kurt Was Here clothing line. I guess sometimes royalties are just not enough. Hollywood is an expensive place after all, we wouldn't want Frances having to pitch a tent with the thousands of people on the street in LA who have had addiction issues too!
Buzz and Dale literally went to school, and lived in the same towns as Kurt. I’ll believe them any day over a documentary. Love you guys, been a fan since the mid 90s.
Literally? Is it possible to figuratively go to the same school and live in the same town? Either they did or they didn't. Why do people have to include the word 'literally' in every sentence now ?
@@scooterruns9355 I know. I’ve read just about everything out there about Kurt and Nirvana. I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. I doubt we’ll ever know for sure. Not the biggest Krist fan anymore after some f the things he’s said and done over the last decade or so, but he still was part of one of the greatest bands in music history, and a lifelong friend to one of the greatest songwriters and lyricists in history. So I don’t entirely know how to feel about all of it. That’s ok though. Not knowing is more interesting sometimes I thinks
"It's better than the truth anyway"... that means how little we really know about how fucked up his situation had become when he took to killing himself..
@@Datanditto oh I am? You mean everything was hunky dory and he just killed himself on a coin toss? Or do you translate this to a 'Soaked in Bleach' thing? Because if you can't see past that speculative mess sold as 'evidence' you are not taking this serious.
@@Overlorddz I dont believe he killed himself. You can place your sacred cow martyr on the highest pedestal if it makes you happy to think he killed himself. There’s enough evidence to prove foul play but if you, like the paid of detectives want to turn a blind eye to fit your martyr scenario have at. He was planning to leave her. He was planning to move. He was going to chill for a while. Money grubbing wives and the handlers and machine behind Kirt did not like that. He had started seeing her ex band mate. They both got dead. Go figure. But you go ahead with your martyr worship.
I replied to a lot of comments below, but just wanted to add; I'm not sure if some people here are talking about Kurt's mom ?? But she seems like a total liar and eerily like Courtney. they say some people marry someone like their parents? well the two of them seem exactly the same. lying about themselves pathologically, and lying about their relationships with Kurt. also thanks for posting this video! lol
Jordan Howell His mother is exactly like Cuntney, a pathological liar and a narcissist. Both were psychologically abusive, manipulative and controlling towards Kurt.
For the record, Melvins are the best band I HAVE EVER SEEN. I Have seen them 20 times since 1994. There are other bands I have seen more than that, but Melvins are the best.
I saw them in 1999 in Athens Georgia while on holiday in the states and...I wandered out half way through. I was that bored. Each to their own i guess. The support band, Melt-Banana where great though, on the upside and the beer was very cheap.
bunny21x you must be easily pleased. I seen them open for faith no more years ago. It might have been fantomas/melvins but regardless they were nothing too special. Faith no more on the other hand could probably be rated up there as one of the best bands I have ever seen.
I bought the Melvins because of the cover art, a two headed animal has to be good. Before social media and internet we made purchases with our gut. So glad I made that purchase.
Nirvana fans got pissed at Buzz because he said Kurt never had stomach pains, that was just a cover up for taking heroin... WHy would he lie about that??? what difference would it make?
I would consider of watching this Video, It`s John, a friend of Kurt and I`ve asked him about Kurts stomach pains and he made a Video ua-cam.com/video/Jn0aUk89P_E/v-deo.html
seriously u trust some random guy on the internet who just admitted that he never had in-depth convos with Kurt over Buzz? the guy who taught him about punk rock? basically his mentor in music, the Melvins played with Nirvana in their first shows, and also to the very last show... umm ok man
Chainsaw Melody Except that he'd seen doctors for the stomach pain, and several people who knew him had seen him doubling over in pain, or not being able to eat or keep food down because of the stomach issue. That's why he was so thin, he had mentioned more than once about not being able to keep food down and that he felt like he was literally starving.
Chainsaw Melody He had the symptoms and had complained about the stomach pains before he'd ever started shooting up heroin. I'm not sure why his friends or especially a doctor, would lie about having witnessed that or treated it. Most people aren't known pathological liars like Courtney, who lies even without an agenda, but just for the hell of it. So I'll believe most people over Courtney.
The Melvins save the lives of at least 13% of their concert patrons. The remainder have conflicting existential analyses due to their regularly scheduled programs. In any curriculum, Pinkus is a boss.
I saw the Melvin's plan Iowa City in the late '90s and Dale played with gardening gloves on his hands and after the show we got to meet him and he gave us some of his garden gloves it was a really small venue called Gabe's Oasis
I'll always view Soundgarden as the Godfathers of Grunge. Chris Cornell helped Mother Love Bone. Worked with Alice In Chains. And you could almost say he is the founder of Pearl Jam after he did his Temple of the Dog side project which was a tribute album to Andrew Wood. Soundgarden was the only one of the big four Grunge bands on the Sub Pop compilation record.
kurt was called that first, due to his resemblance to the Godfather inthe movies, as well as his guns and his dangerous and shady side , his authoritative boss side, etc. He also brought Grunge to the top in the mainstream first. Later they started calling a few others that . I guess they were the other godfathers since there's always a few godfathers in any mafia.
Krist Novoselic was just as close with Kurt since highschool and he's never seemed to say anything about the suicide hoax has he? If anyone has anything about it can you link me please?
he addressed it in a Reddit AMA about 4 years ago, he said Kurt had no desire to hunt small game, or anything else,therefore he bought the shotgun strictly as a suicide tool.
I thought Montage of Heck was beautifully made but so far from reality. I guess calling it an 'art-piece' is the most polite way to explain. His mom telling how she kicked him out as a teen as if it was the right thing to do and then later about how she warned him of fame when she first heard Nevermind. Bob Marley's mom did the same after he was dead. I'm sure in real life they were all like 'get a job' - kicking your teenage child out the home doesn't sound supportive at all
I liked Montage of Heck and some of the animation has really stuck with me. Hell no I don't believe Courtney but I do believe Krist and Dave. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between but none of it affects my thoughts, memories and feelings about Kurt. He was the best and he inspired me to play guitar and he's a legend. Rip Kurt. You are missed and loved.
Don't be so trustful of Krist and Dave. Krist is a big moron centered on himself. Dave's career strongly benefited from Kurt's death, as now there is no Kurt to overshadow him. I really don't like the way Dave is hugging with that Courtney bitch at the induction into Rock-and Hall of Fame - it's really suspicious.
I was at that opera house show in ‘91. And saw melvins the night before, too, in Buffalo. Prime melvins era, as far as I’m concerned. Buzz had that giant carpeted 4x18 cabinet. Nirvana was awesome, too. About a month before Nevermind was released; Sept ‘91. End of the good days.
+May Knott "We're very serious about what we're doing even though it's completely unserious" is the perfect summary of this interview. Thanks for watching!
When I think of Jeff Pinkus, I think of the interview with Nardwuar from when the Butthole Surfers were in Vancouver with Nirvana at the start of 1994. Love that one.
My first Melvins show was in 1987 in Santa Cruz Ca at UCSC and there were only 25 people there. It was extremely loud and I loved it although the students didn't think much.
I saw these guys open for White Zombie in Toronto during the Astro-Creep 2000 tour (1999). I thought they were amazing and have been listening to them ever since.
Melvin should have been up there with the top sellers. They up there with Nirvana and AnC as far as musicianship and creativity. I can't believe STP sold more albums. The market doesn't necessarily favor talent
Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam and all those other hair metal bands that turned grunge after the “In Bloom” music video first aired on MTV are intellectually braindead. At the end of the it’s all rock music. The people who listen to jazz, experiemental, and classical music will always have the higher [musical] IQ, but the bands I just mentioned get ripped on because they’re stupid funk-metal jam bands that hopped on the “grunge” bandwagon.
Dale Crover! The guy is a fucking legend, one of the best drummers out there! A true Punk! Who better than Buzz and Dale to meet Kurt, they known each other since school days! Buzz introduced Kurt to Punk, pretty badass! if you ask me! Melvins Rulezz \m/ Long live Rock&roll, Peace!
I honestly think the suicide had nothing to do with depression. Krist said kurt was extremely irrational while on heroin, and he had a shit ton of it in his system during the autopsy, which leads me to believe that it was a random, spontaneous thing. Thats just my opinion tho
I've come to be completely convinced he was murdered after believing the suicide narrative for years. Kurt and Courtney's lawyer saying she found the handwriting practice sheets in Courtney's backpack sealed the deal for me. That and the fact he was about to divorce her, and they had a pre-nup (meaning Courtney was going to get squat) as opposed to getting the whole multimillion dollar estate with the "suicide". People have been killed for a helluva lot less than a $50 million dollar net worth. Not to mention Courtney had been screwing the county coroner (among others) who she knew would be in charge of the autopsy. Just too many "cohencidences" for me.
Not a band that I have really followed, but I like some of their stuff, but they are a real band who have maintained their integrity and do what they want and remain true to themselves!! I really liked what they did with jello biafra!! Since the dk's finished he has done some great stuff with other guys.....love eternal people
Yes, but the film is not clear if this is Kurt telling a story he made up, or if he quotes from his diary, so the say. The 'friends' in that clip seem made up. His friends at age 16/17 (I think that's the age he was sort of talking about) were guys like Jesse Reed and Steve Shillinger, and a bit later, when he hang around The Melvins rehearsals, Buzz, Dale, Matt Lukin and Krist Novoselic. Having read 6 or 7 books on Nirvana, these same names keep coming up. Not 'Trevor', 'Darren' or 'Ace'. It appears this was some joke story. He didn't have any friends at high school that he would hang out with, basically being a loner there.
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 they assume everything kurt says is truth lmao you can tell that by the fact they believe he was suicidal and dont take any of it as satirical, it is honestly surprising how these people are so called "nirvana fans"... probably only listened to teen spirit or heart shaped box lol
People like to look at all the "Grunge bands" and highlight their differences. But there is a through line between all those bands, and its aptly named Grunge. It works, and they have something in common
I’ve been to Aberdeen it’s not THAT bad, the hotels on ocean shores are really nice but they’re right in a sense, that outside of the beach there if you actually go into town there really isn’t much of anything. I remember I wanted to get a cable for my laptop and the nearest Best Buy was like an hour and a half drive away.
Americans usually don't know how good they have it, most complain about growing up in a small town not realizing that there are entire COUNTRIES like that. Try living in Helsinki, Finland for a year for example.
+Golden Nugget Recordings We spoke for a good 35 minutes and it was really hard to cut it down from that! These guys are hilarious and have so much to share.
you should post the whole thing! i mean if you think about it, nobody really watches these because theres a pressing question they need to know the answer to... well ok sometimes but usually its just cause theyre interesting to listen to! you should post a second raw version!
That montage thing wasn't about Kurt or Nirvana. It was a tacky, self-aggrandizement of the producer. What was the point of those stupid animated sequences? So his childhood could be reduced to some lame anime? The horrible "symphonic" versions of Nirvana songs had me cringing! And all the footage that was never intended to be seen by the public. I don't think the man is resting peacefully at all, everyone is either picking at his bones or just dispensing unending amounts of pity. People hold the subject of Cobain with kids gloves and few are aware of it, as he's above criticism. I'm glad Buzz tells it like it is, it is a shit excuse for a tribute and a worse interpretation of things no one can rightfully confirm. Whether you like Nirvana's music or not, whether you're so juvenile as to call Kurt a "God" or are a dismissive prick, no one can pretend to know him or his life. Had Kurt known what kind of nonsense is being thrown around on a daily basis, he would probably have opted to live!
Grunge should be a reference to the time those band started to show up, not to a specific sort of music style. Nirvana, Alice inChains, Pearl Jam, the Melvins, Soundgarden, they all sound totally different from each other. Epic bands....Hail to them all!
Can you feel my love, Buzz?
Very good
mind blown
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
wow.never thought of that.in that paticular time he was playing that,he was seeking buzz's approval
Awww ❤️
Grunge is so loosely defined anyways. Soundgarden and Alice In Chains had a metal influence, Pearl Jam was more of the 70s stadium rock type band, and Nirvana was more like an alternative band with a big punk influence much like the Pixies. The only reason these groups are associated as playing the same type of music is mostly due to where they came from and when they emerged.
Ty Manning - I agree. Grunge was a title slapped on the "Seattle Sound" by media outlets. Most of the bands didn't even acknowledge grunge as a genre. Kurt Cobain hated the term.
Yea I don`t think PJ liked the grunge title too much, they were quick to change their sound and kept doing it pretty much each record...Eddie even changed his singing style around No Code... When I think of grunge it is usually either early Nirvana Bleach era, or AIC`s self titled album.....2 totally different sounds but both kind of sludgy and grungy.
when parents start thinking they finally found a term to define the kids then you know it's way off the mark
jmorrisey79 look up Nirvana interview 1990, it's a video with Chad and one of the questions to Kurt is who or what is Nirvana, i think you'd be interested with the answer
Perfectly put that's exactly right
I don't understand why people wouldn't believe these guys concerning Kurt. They were there.
@5:50 talks about Montage of heck.
ty
Thanks, that's why I'm here.
Ur a hero
thank you
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Buzz Osbourne; Thank you for making Kurt that tape that turned him onto punk. Thank you for putting Dave Grohl in touch with Kurt and Krist. Most of all, thank you for defending Kurt against all the bullshit people are being fed about him/his death. The only other "famous" person who has balls enough to talk about the Cobain death honestly is Fat Mike and the guys from NOFX. Props.
and Iggy Pop
Thank you Kurt for geting the melvs a mayor label contract and still Kurt is a billionaire🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@urwinloefstopMelvin's did more for Kurt imo. In the long run.
@@urwinloefstop i wish people like you would stop listening to nirvana and calling yourselves fans smh yall are the reason i have to hide that im a nirvana fan, because most of the fans are posers media w h 0 r 3 5
"honestly"
its so badass that these guys are still together, buzz and dale are total legends as far as im concerned........
rjbizzle1984 legends with a capital LEGENDS
Dales a fuckin bad ass on them drums
the SUBMARINES I’m sure it’s because they got fucking asked a shit ton about him
It's cos they are about tunage!!
And fucking gigantic Live
The first time I saw 'Montage of Heck'...it struck me as actually trying to make Kurt Cobain look bad. Then I found out Courtney Love had a big hand in it and it all made sense.
No she didn't you liar. The director told her she couldn't be involved in it. Frances is one of the executive producers of the film.
@@TheeMrsGrinch FUCK COURTNEY LOVE THAT LYING NARCISSISTIC, PSYCHOTIC BITCH the truth will come out one day
@@kevenrowe2958 you feel better bro.😹😹😹
@@TheeMrsGrinch I won’t until the truth comes out
@@kevenrowe2958 hahahaha y'all are weird. Obsessed with a dead junkie.😹😹😹
Even though I'm sure they're so tired of hearing and talking about such a shitty time in their lives where they lost a friend, I'd love to hear their stories of Kurt. Like a short book or something where they just go "heres the guy we knew. He's what we know is bullshit. The end."
I'm sure they'd never do anything to make money off of their relationship with him, even if their intentions were good. I'm not even a Melvins fan but they have a lot of class.
Same
@@joelglanton6531frrr
I think something that Kat Bjelland of "Babes in Toyland" said describes Courtney's involvement in Montage of Heck well.
“Only about a quarter of what Courtney says is true. But nobody usually bothers to decipher which are the lies."
Babes in Toyland had an amazing first two albums. Kat is a legend. Courtney ripped off her style in a big way.
Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see is the perfect analogy when it all comes down to it te the whole Kurt /Courtney saga. Some women are opportunists. Courtney would be in that category.
@@briankennedy1192 I'd agree with that. Moved on very quickly didn't she.
To be fair, Aberdeen looks really great in the rear-view mirror.
Tricia Brown lol I see what you did there.
Lol
Babylon has lost her beauty...the small town I grew up in most certainly was the same way. Even before Cobain was murdered!!!
@@VelmaJinkys Kurt wasn't murdered bozo
I was really disturbed by Montage of Heck, it was so exploitative and I felt dirty for watching it. You’re just viewing someone’s deepest darkest feelings and flaws, all of those incredibly personal things that aren’t meant for the world just being carelessly tossed out to the public for another cash grab. It was just disrespectful in my opinion.
Buzz Osborne should have fronted all the songs at the Hall of Fame induction.
his daughter and wife worked on it i doubt they (especially his daughter) would release something he wouldn’t want seen
Did you watch the whole thing or did you turn it off?
@@lynsieleake4256 don’t put any faith in his “wife” whom he was planning to leave…
…think about it…
… then realize it doesn’t take much thought not to trust Courtney love.
you snowflake
1:50 "There's enough bands in tune, there's enough bands with messages...people shouldn't look to US to do that." Buzz and Melvins just rule. lol
Hilarious dudes doing the damn thing.
dead milkmen too
Buzz and Dale are the only ones willing to tell the truth
Everyone would rather live in a fantasy, I guess,
Aggressive Tendencies Michael Cali de Witt is the shooter
Kim Gordon has told the truth, as well as Kurt's grandfather
Yeah Pinkus quoting Augie.
ua-cam.com/video/g_lIHtMnszg/v-deo.html
I'm drunk right now but in the age of aging 90's rock stars I'm really starting to like Buzz and the Melvins.
Sober up and I hope you feel the same! Legends!
I just started getting into them this past year. Which is sad, because I'm 39. Honestly, it's because of Dale. He's one of my favorite drummers.
@@roastmyrig6144 39 year-old latecomer hear too.
See? alcohol isn't all bad...!!
@@roastmyrig6144 haha I'm 36 and I just started really getting into them this year.
The guy with the tumbleweed on his head turned kurt on to punk.Thanks
It's not a tumbleweed; it's a crown for KING Buzzo. Haha. Thanks for watching.
@@AggressiveTendencies I want to run barefoot, through Buzz' s hair!
@Leeroy C does this mysterious "relative" have a name? Buzz took Kurt to see Black Flag.
songs about mixing kurt co-produced their best album
@@emmaduncan2991 one does not discover punk, its something u are born... RIP Darby Crash
what I love about them is that in real life they are the same, down to earth and unfiltered. Buzz is one of THE most approachable legends ever.
Melvins is one of the few bands that i really enjoy listening to their interviews almost as much as i enjoy listening to their music
They're hilarious haha.
L'Quik Shrtz 8
Don't lie. It not "almost as much."
I saw these guys open for Primus in the early 90s at U of Maryland. It was a revelation, and after I regained my hearing I bought several albums. There are few musicians who seem fun to be around, these guys are at the top of the list.
Three guys and only two mics?!
only THREE GUY , I think I should give mine just a cheap mic
It's low-budget like Sub Pop!
lol yeah idk wtf is going on in there
And 2 cameras
turned out cool. you only hold the mic for someone you don't hate
7:25 "noone believes courtney, why would you? " Hahaha
While I think it’s more likely that they knew him better than someone doing research (since they DID know him personally), you can hide being suicidal very well. When my mental health got bad many people I knew personally didn’t know.
It also can be otherwise. Many people assumed that I'm very gloom and sad while I just want to punch them in the face for that, because I'm totally fun, fine and well
For real! None of my bros ever knew I was depressed they were shocked when I opened up. Didn't want them to know cus that would fuck with me more and you can almost find solace in keeping up w/ a phisade
@@Wasp239 yeah, all that punching people in the face you want to do makes you sound like a ton of fun
Id never call the melvins grunge. They are way heavier and sludgy
RaF KiNs duh, they were just an influence toward it man
They are just melvis
that is grunge??? r u fucking stupid??
@@firstbornoftalos5747 Crowbar and Down that's sludge
Definitely metal to my ears
Dale Crover is cool as hell. So chill, but plays drums like a madman. Seeing him sit in as drummer for Redd Kross on their tour last year was so good.
Glad Buzz came forward against Montage of Heck.
seriously wondered why he ws not in it.
@ Pan S. - 2 words: Courtney Love.
@@sstaners1234 sad really I love both and they should really come tother as they both loved him dearly
Without these guys, many great bands wouldn't exist.
Show some fucking respect.
Mass respect, but that is facetious reasoning.
@@chetsenior7253 Nirvana themselves most certainly wouldn’t exist without the Melvins
I had the lovely opportunity of sitting down with these guys in Brooklyn many years ago. At the time I was dealing with the death of my best friend, and they were super accommodating, and spoke to me about all kinds of stuff very candidly, with the caveat I don't write about it. It really helped me out, and I'm eternally grateful for that. Much love guys.
After pinkus says, "occupy Courtney", look at Dave's pursed lips "no comment" face.....love it.
7:20
These guys should have their own show, they have charisma and are very funny! I saw them open for Tool back in the 90's great show
They opened for tool in my hometown and got booed off stage
Thats crazy, tool should have been opening for them.
I guess that's all anyone can really say about that 👍
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Bands like the Melvins, paw and the meat puppets- underrated as hell
Hell is overated ? Yeah , actually , I guess it is . I'm not a big fan of hell , personally. But that's just me .
@@JoshuaCraigStrain I am not a expert on the Melvins, however, when my friend tossed on " Stonerwitch" , I went out and bought it the next day.
LOve me some PAW ! SOOOOO underated and forgotten, still listening to them !
@@nickphillips1721 paw were awesome
@@jayhelm9632 Dragline is still one of my favorite albums ! Almost nobody, knows about them. I think they still go out and play a few gigs where the live. Can't forget "death to traitors". Mark Hennessy is in my top five singers of the grunge /post era. You fine taste Jay !
Just wanna say that Frances has come out since and said she was unhappy with the film, and that due to addiction she couldnt play a bigger role in it. She really wants to do right by her dad
M but her mom helped make it? I call bullshit
Nicholas Fanzo courtney had the most influence on the film and frances was struggling with addiction during its making. So im just saying people should attack frances bc she actually wanted to do a good job and knows it didnt turn out right
Well it seems like Franny is doing jez' fine now as she is instrumental, pun intended, of personally whoring out her Dads memory with a Kurt Was Here clothing line. I guess sometimes royalties are just not enough. Hollywood is an expensive place after all, we wouldn't want Frances having to pitch a tent with the thousands of people on the street in LA who have had addiction issues too!
Thank you so much to Buzz and Dale for the comments on Cobain and Montage of Heck. May God continue to bless you. ❤❤❤
Buzz and Dale literally went to school, and lived in the same towns as Kurt. I’ll believe them any day over a documentary. Love you guys, been a fan since the mid 90s.
Literally? Is it possible to figuratively go to the same school and live in the same town? Either they did or they didn't. Why do people have to include the word 'literally' in every sentence now ?
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 wow, you’re really irritated by this aren’t you. That’s…..interesting. In a figurative sense this time.
@@Pretermit_Sound you're a dim bulb
Krist says the documentary is accurate and he knew Kurt alot better than anyone in the Melvins.
@@scooterruns9355 I know. I’ve read just about everything out there about Kurt and Nirvana. I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. I doubt we’ll ever know for sure. Not the biggest Krist fan anymore after some f the things he’s said and done over the last decade or so, but he still was part of one of the greatest bands in music history, and a lifelong friend to one of the greatest songwriters and lyricists in history. So I don’t entirely know how to feel about all of it. That’s ok though. Not knowing is more interesting sometimes I thinks
"It's better than the truth anyway"... that means how little we really know about how fucked up his situation had become when he took to killing himself..
Wtf? Youre way off
@@Datanditto oh I am? You mean everything was hunky dory and he just killed himself on a coin toss? Or do you translate this to a 'Soaked in Bleach' thing? Because if you can't see past that speculative mess sold as 'evidence' you are not taking this serious.
@@Overlorddz I dont believe he killed himself.
You can place your sacred cow martyr on the highest pedestal if it makes you happy to think he killed himself. There’s enough evidence to prove foul play but if you, like the paid of detectives want to turn a blind eye to fit your martyr scenario have at.
He was planning to leave her. He was planning to move. He was going to chill for a while. Money grubbing wives and the handlers and machine behind Kirt did not like that.
He had started seeing her ex band mate. They both got dead. Go figure.
But you go ahead with your martyr worship.
I replied to a lot of comments below, but just wanted to add; I'm not sure if some people here are talking about Kurt's mom
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But she seems like a total liar and eerily like Courtney. they say some people marry someone like their parents? well the two of them seem exactly the same. lying about themselves pathologically, and lying about their relationships with Kurt.
also thanks for posting this video! lol
Jordan Howell His mother is exactly like Cuntney, a pathological liar and a narcissist. Both were psychologically abusive, manipulative and controlling towards Kurt.
@subcomandante marcos wtf. ?? Thanks for pointing that it doesn't even relate. Lol I'll delete shortly.
Courtney was getting nervous because lately, people have been yelling for them to investigate. So she had to prove her lies again.
So glad to hear someone else talk about how lame Montage of Heck is. Kurt would be proud.
They called Neil Young "godfather of grunge" too......dint they?
Cheap Thrilll yes they did
I think they meant that in terms of aesthetic
Look me in the face and tell me the riff from Cinnamon Girl isn’t nasty as fuck. 😐
Cody Romaine
TON took it to another dimension :-)
Daniel Field You’ll have to excuse me, I wasn’t aware anyone actually like that band 😂
For the record, Melvins are the best band I HAVE EVER SEEN. I Have seen them 20 times since 1994. There are other bands I have seen more than that, but Melvins are the best.
SO good! Did you hear about the 12-sided record Dale put out? exclaim.ca/music/article/the_melvins_dale_crover_releases_worlds_first_12-sided_record
Aggressive Tendencies
Yeah I watched the joyful noise demo. Pretty crazy, I would love to hear the songs in any format. Dale is the fucking best.
and their ticket prices are always so affordable.
I saw them in 1999 in Athens Georgia while on holiday in the states and...I wandered out half way through. I was that bored. Each to their own i guess. The support band, Melt-Banana where great though, on the upside and the beer was very cheap.
bunny21x you must be easily pleased. I seen them open for faith no more years ago. It might have been fantomas/melvins but regardless they were nothing too special. Faith no more on the other hand could probably be rated up there as one of the best bands I have ever seen.
I bought the Melvins because of the cover art, a two headed animal has to be good.
Before social media and internet we made purchases with our gut.
So glad I made that purchase.
Music magazines
houdini is an all time classic, one of my favorite records
The more time that goes on,..the more I love the Melvins
Thanks Buzz for for defending Kurt
Take a close look, this is how you look when you come out the other end with your integrity intact.
Only thing is grey hair other then that buzz really doesn’t age and his music is the same way
Nirvana fans got pissed at Buzz because he said Kurt never had stomach pains, that was just a cover up for taking heroin... WHy would he lie about that??? what difference would it make?
I would consider of watching this Video, It`s John, a friend of Kurt and I`ve asked him about Kurts stomach pains and he made a Video ua-cam.com/video/Jn0aUk89P_E/v-deo.html
seriously u trust some random guy on the internet who just admitted that he never had in-depth convos with Kurt over Buzz? the guy who taught him about punk rock? basically his mentor in music, the Melvins played with Nirvana in their first shows, and also to the very last show... umm ok man
The Wedge Maybe Kurt felt comfortable talking with that guy about his pain and not Buzz. Why would this guy lie about what Kurt told him?
Chainsaw Melody Except that he'd seen doctors for the stomach pain, and several people who knew him had seen him doubling over in pain, or not being able to eat or keep food down because of the stomach issue. That's why he was so thin, he had mentioned more than once about not being able to keep food down and that he felt like he was literally starving.
Chainsaw Melody He had the symptoms and had complained about the stomach pains before he'd ever started shooting up heroin. I'm not sure why his friends or especially a doctor, would lie about having witnessed that or treated it. Most people aren't known pathological liars like Courtney, who lies even without an agenda, but just for the hell of it. So I'll believe most people over Courtney.
Can't wait for the Mike & the Melvins album!
The Melvins save the lives of at least 13% of their concert patrons. The remainder have conflicting existential analyses due to their regularly scheduled programs. In any curriculum, Pinkus is a boss.
I'll never forget seeing the Melvins open for Primus 1993, St. Louis, MO American Theater...I was 17
Sounds like my wet dream.
Melvins are their own genre for sure...love them
"There's enough bands in tune. There's enough bands with messages."
Shout out to Buzz's The Birthday Party t shirt (first Nick Cave band)
I saw the Melvin's plan Iowa City in the late '90s and Dale played with gardening gloves on his hands and after the show we got to meet him and he gave us some of his garden gloves it was a really small venue called Gabe's Oasis
I love these guys. They're super heavy and original.
"One night we beat up the crowd, not because we wanted to, but because we could...there was only like 3 of 'em"
"live member Jeff Pinkus"? You realize he wrote some of the songs and played bass on the entire Hold It In record?
+thebloodybrother72 You're right-I changed the description and article to reflect that. Thank you for commenting!
I'll always view Soundgarden as the Godfathers of Grunge. Chris Cornell helped Mother Love Bone. Worked with Alice In Chains. And you could almost say he is the founder of Pearl Jam after he did his Temple of the Dog side project which was a tribute album to Andrew Wood. Soundgarden was the only one of the big four Grunge bands on the Sub Pop compilation record.
Iggy and Lemmy, respect your elders!
Soundgarden?? wtf hahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, and Sub Pop as a whole are all terrible what are you on about
kurt was called that first, due to his resemblance to the Godfather inthe movies, as well as his guns and his dangerous and shady side , his authoritative boss side, etc. He also brought Grunge to the top in the mainstream first. Later they started calling a few others that . I guess they were the other godfathers since there's always a few godfathers in any mafia.
Krist Novoselic was just as close with Kurt since highschool and he's never seemed to say anything about the suicide hoax has he? If anyone has anything about it can you link me please?
WaerssLive I feel he personally wants to stay away from the debate
Chad Mulligan Rather he believes it was suicide or murder he has tended to stay away from it. I personally feel she had him plugged
he addressed it in a Reddit AMA about 4 years ago, he said Kurt had no desire to hunt small game, or anything else,therefore he bought the shotgun strictly as a suicide tool.
Chad Mulligan he wasn't poisoned in Rome he OD'd
FishyMM I didn’t know about that
Buzz is the new Bono...
He's everywhere!!!
you cannot be a real fan of nirvana without hearing of these guys
So true
I thought Montage of Heck was beautifully made but so far from reality. I guess calling it an 'art-piece' is the most polite way to explain. His mom telling how she kicked him out as a teen as if it was the right thing to do and then later about how she warned him of fame when she first heard Nevermind. Bob Marley's mom did the same after he was dead. I'm sure in real life they were all like 'get a job' - kicking your teenage child out the home doesn't sound supportive at all
Krist says the documentary is accurate.
I liked Montage of Heck and some of the animation has really stuck with me. Hell no I don't believe Courtney but I do believe
Krist and Dave. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between but none of it affects my thoughts, memories and feelings about Kurt. He was the best and he inspired me to play guitar and he's a legend. Rip Kurt. You are missed and loved.
Don't be so trustful of Krist and Dave. Krist is a big moron centered on himself. Dave's career strongly benefited from Kurt's death, as now there is no Kurt to overshadow him. I really don't like the way Dave is hugging with that Courtney bitch at the induction into Rock-and Hall of Fame - it's really suspicious.
Dave was not even in it.
Melvin’s were one of the most enjoyably painful shows I’ve ever seen!! Became obsessed after seeing them live on a win.
How painful? Loud?
whim? or win? lol
@@theCosmicQueen both
Melvins have such a great comical sense...always make me laugh watching their interviews
I was at that opera house show in ‘91. And saw melvins the night before, too, in Buffalo. Prime melvins era, as far as I’m concerned. Buzz had that giant carpeted 4x18 cabinet. Nirvana was awesome, too. About a month before Nevermind was released; Sept ‘91. End of the good days.
My favorite lyrics from these guys are either, "The Bloat", or "Lovely Butterfly? Ooooooo!! Or "Honey Bucket".
>M
Hooch, obvs.
The fact of the matter, Buzz's review was pretty much spot on!
" Uhhh, the heroin and stuff". That was the funniest comedic timing I have ever seen from a rockstar.
Hahaha. Bang on!
Grandfathers of grunge. In the 90's I was constantly trying to find new grunge bands. This one blew me away
Stop with the word Grunge.
He's wearing a birthday party tee 🙏
This is that guy who heard “bad publicity is better then no publicity”... and he took that running 😂
These guys are funny!
Best dudes
+May Knott "We're very serious about what we're doing even though it's completely unserious" is the perfect summary of this interview. Thanks for watching!
Guys from backgrounds like theirs don't agree to appear on MTV for MTV's benefit unless they have great senses of humour.
When I think of Jeff Pinkus, I think of the interview with Nardwuar from when the Butthole Surfers were in Vancouver with Nirvana at the start of 1994. Love that one.
Hi.
My first Melvins show was in 1987 in Santa Cruz Ca at UCSC and there were only 25 people there. It was extremely loud and I loved it although the students didn't think much.
Nice
Buzz is truly a no bullshit dude....and that laugh....
A legend. Absolute legend.
Speaks the truth. I seen the Melvins at The Eagles hall in Hoquiam. There were 6 people there. Still kicked ass! Even though all we seen was his ass.
Buzz's "Montage of Heck" review should be required reading for every Nirvana fan.
I've seen a lot of concerts and I think the Melvins was the best show I've ever been too in Milwaukee, WI. So take THAT Toronto guy!
Buzz is an American treasure!
I saw these guys open for White Zombie in Toronto during the Astro-Creep 2000 tour (1999). I thought they were amazing and have been listening to them ever since.
Ya just gotta love Dale Crover
You're damn right!
Love Buzz and the Band's take on being a band. DOn't need talent or tuning... Just do it. There's enough bands in tune. Love it!
Melvins top ten bands of all time !
Melvin should have been up there with the top sellers. They up there with Nirvana and AnC as far as musicianship and creativity. I can't believe STP sold more albums. The market doesn't necessarily favor talent
You’re right about The Melvins. But you are wrong about STP, they have great songs and are a great rock n roll band, but whatever. To each their own
The market favors looks...Kurt was very talented ..but handsome as well
Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam and all those other hair metal bands that turned grunge after the “In Bloom” music video first aired on MTV are intellectually braindead. At the end of the it’s all rock music. The people who listen to jazz, experiemental, and classical music will always have the higher [musical] IQ, but the bands I just mentioned get ripped on because they’re stupid funk-metal jam bands that hopped on the “grunge” bandwagon.
@sebastianbelcher5354that movement was based almost entirely on what record companies believed was marketable
Dale Crover! The guy is a fucking legend, one of the best drummers out there! A true Punk!
Who better than Buzz and Dale to meet Kurt, they known each other since school days! Buzz introduced Kurt to Punk, pretty badass! if you ask me! Melvins Rulezz \m/ Long live Rock&roll, Peace!
The world would be a lot different if the Melvins didn't exist...I don't like to imagine that too long because it's sad.
yeah, so true...!
I honestly think the suicide had nothing to do with depression. Krist said kurt was extremely irrational while on heroin, and he had a shit ton of it in his system during the autopsy, which leads me to believe that it was a random, spontaneous thing. Thats just my opinion tho
I've come to be completely convinced he was murdered after believing the suicide narrative for years. Kurt and Courtney's lawyer saying she found the handwriting practice sheets in Courtney's backpack sealed the deal for me. That and the fact he was about to divorce her, and they had a pre-nup (meaning Courtney was going to get squat) as opposed to getting the whole multimillion dollar estate with the "suicide". People have been killed for a helluva lot less than a $50 million dollar net worth. Not to mention Courtney had been screwing the county coroner (among others) who she knew would be in charge of the autopsy. Just too many "cohencidences" for me.
Smug he was depressed though
occupy courtney
that would take a team of black dudes and a couple cameras
Simon Holm No, I care about my sexual health.
I think I'm gonna need some help. I'm big, but don't think I can cover that one.
crab trap
hotdog in a hallway
Not a band that I have really followed, but I like some of their stuff, but they are a real band who have maintained their integrity and do what they want and remain true to themselves!! I really liked what they did with jello biafra!! Since the dk's finished he has done some great stuff with other guys.....love eternal people
These guys are just great people
wait he knows Kurt recorded those voice tapes right?
hahaha EXACTLY. That whole sex with a retard was his own words.
This doesn’t add up
Yes, but the film is not clear if this is Kurt telling a story he made up, or if he quotes from his diary, so the say. The 'friends' in that clip seem made up. His friends at age 16/17 (I think that's the age he was sort of talking about) were guys like Jesse Reed and Steve Shillinger, and a bit later, when he hang around The Melvins rehearsals, Buzz, Dale, Matt Lukin and Krist Novoselic.
Having read 6 or 7 books on Nirvana, these same names keep coming up.
Not 'Trevor', 'Darren' or 'Ace'. It appears this was some joke story. He didn't have any friends at high school that he would hang out with, basically being a loner there.
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 they assume everything kurt says is truth lmao you can tell that by the fact they believe he was suicidal and dont take any of it as satirical, it is honestly surprising how these people are so called "nirvana fans"... probably only listened to teen spirit or heart shaped box lol
People like to look at all the "Grunge bands" and highlight their differences. But there is a through line between all those bands, and its aptly named Grunge. It works, and they have something in common
Idk about Kurt, but I do know Courtney killed any desire I have to own a turquoise guitar. That, THAT is inexcusable
The way Buzz keeps putting the mic in front of Pinkus' face has me cracking up.....
The Titanic had a hit, too.
DALE AND BUZZ SHOULD START A PODCAST
I’ve been to Aberdeen it’s not THAT bad, the hotels on ocean shores are really nice but they’re right in a sense, that outside of the beach there if you actually go into town there really isn’t much of anything. I remember I wanted to get a cable for my laptop and the nearest Best Buy was like an hour and a half drive away.
surgeyX ive never heard of aberdeen us, but aberdeen scotland is a fuckin dump
shinra corp It’s in Washington State, near the Pacific Ocean. They’re talking about the USA, not Scotland lol.
surgeyX no shit sherlock...
shinra corp Well you’re the genius who brought it up not me 🤦♂️😂
Americans usually don't know how good they have it, most complain about growing up in a small town not realizing that there are entire COUNTRIES like that. Try living in Helsinki, Finland for a year for example.
saw king buzzo with Fantomas in Minneapolis @ a small dive bar was incredible.
why do these interviews have to be so short :(
+Golden Nugget Recordings We spoke for a good 35 minutes and it was really hard to cut it down from that! These guys are hilarious and have so much to share.
you should post the whole thing! i mean if you think about it, nobody really watches these because theres a pressing question they need to know the answer to... well ok sometimes but usually its just cause theyre interesting to listen to! you should post a second raw version!
The interview with the Melvins on the Turned Out A Punk podcast is worth checking out.
Peter Cook Thanks for the recommendation. Checking it out now and It's a great listen.
There are sooo many ads to this video...I can no longer focus on it
That Birthday Party T shirt. ❤
Funny I went to comment on this two days after Buzz's birthday!
Love how Buzzo keeps sticking the mic in Jeff's face for no reason.
That montage thing wasn't about Kurt or Nirvana. It was a tacky, self-aggrandizement of the producer. What was the point of those stupid animated sequences? So his childhood could be reduced to some lame anime? The horrible "symphonic" versions of Nirvana songs had me cringing! And all the footage that was never intended to be seen by the public. I don't think the man is resting peacefully at all, everyone is either picking at his bones or just dispensing unending amounts of pity. People hold the subject of Cobain with kids gloves and few are aware of it, as he's above criticism. I'm glad Buzz tells it like it is, it is a shit excuse for a tribute and a worse interpretation of things no one can rightfully confirm. Whether you like Nirvana's music or not, whether you're so juvenile as to call Kurt a "God" or are a dismissive prick, no one can pretend to know him or his life. Had Kurt known what kind of nonsense is being thrown around on a daily basis, he would probably have opted to live!
. This documentary only exploit one side of Cobain
Agreed and well said, I was ultimately disappointed in myself for watching it.
I will admit i do see kurt aka Mr. JesusMan as a god, but thats just my juvenile opinion haha
Grunge should be a reference to the time those band started to show up, not to a specific sort of music style. Nirvana, Alice inChains, Pearl Jam, the Melvins, Soundgarden, they all sound totally different from each other. Epic bands....Hail to them all!
Some sort of art piece , other than something that is placed in fact ..... those are some true ass words right there