So it turns out any movies would have been as doomed as the show, but what do you think of his changes for Reva? Do you think they would have been an improvement, do you like his idea for season 2? Or is that doomed to the same fate as the first? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
Based on the track record of the people handling this show I don't think it would have made much difference, if you're willing to produce this much trash with one story you would do it with another
It was a travesty from the start. Reva should never have been in the show. Leia should never have been in the show. The whole series should be canned and burned, along with 7, 8 and 9.
The original script sounds pretty bad too. It's hard to polish a turd. To be honest, the only reason I know anything about this show is because I watch you, Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic. I don't watch it because I don't consider it cannon. The books, including the Han Solo trilogy were great and that is cannon to me.
Obi-Wan: "I will need to watch over and protect Anakin's son. So my plan is to bury my lightsaber and abandon the Force completely." Everyone with a brain: "Doesn't that mean you won't actually be able to protect him if you need to?" Obi-Wan: ".... I'm sad "
The fact that he is content with how it came out hurts my writer's soul. Whatever happened to the stories that followed the human experience and struggle? That was the heart of Star Wars and everything we loved about it. At this point, this is like watching an elderly friend get abused, and no one will let you help them. They already cut out the characters that I loved most in the expanded universe. This is just heartbreaking for me.
The worst thing is that they didn't just cut them out... they cannibalised the EU concepts and gave us bad versions... like Jacen Solo swapped for Kylo Ren... throwaway-quality writing about a character who had a legitimate struggle and story in the EU.
I feel like the writers have 2 main problems. Problem one is that they’re extremely arrogant brats, however there’s not enough vertebrae between the lot of them to form a spine. They don’t critique each other at all and it shows, sometimes you can quite literally feel how they’re all just throwing more lines or more scenes in. “And then they did-“ or “And then they said-“ seems to make up the entirety of their talents. Problem 2 would be that they don’t have the right things in mind when trying to make a story, they aren’t thinking of making a great emotional experience that panders to the daily struggle of lots of people. War, famine, christ at least get something going other than “white man bad”. This gets especially prevalent when characters start being magically fine all the time. Why get invested when there’s no stakes? Reva was STABBED THRU THE CHEST TWICE WITH THE MOST DEADLY WEAPON IN THE GALAXY, and she’s still COMPLETELY FINE less than a few hours later. No stakes, no risk, no emotion. But here’s the thing… they know that. They know they don’t HAVE to actually think about anything like that, trying to make a show that will be remembered for its creativity and ability to convey emotion, because they’ve got something better. *NOSTALGIAAAA*! and boy howdy do they abuse the ever loving crap out of it. You want real emotion? Oh well uhh- remember when Obi Wan was Anakins master?! Let’s show them some flash back scenes that show how he’s angry! That way when we break the lore even harder, they won’t notice and will be too caught up watching Obi Wan do Elden Ring rolls all over the place. It did surprise me that they even had flashbacks, considering they’ve barely watched the movies themselves. Which is increasingly prevalent with every word that comes out of their mouths. And now they try to claim that “actchually uhhh it’s what happened and if you don’t think so too bad, oh and also the entire star wars fandom is a bunch of racists.” We seriously need some control on disney, they’ve become so big that they can insult their own fans and still get away with it. Is that not the literal definition of having a monopoly? They cannot screw up and be unable to fix it with money. Of course there’s not much the average joe can do about that though. This whole situation has got me reminiscent however, people being silenced for disagreeing with a massive corporation? Kinda sounds like the empire xD Anyways this is long enough, thanks for reading!
I'm sure it had everything to do with Klutch Kennedy's *"The FORCED Female"* or whatever was witten on those stupid shirts she and her coven were wearing.
You know, there was one easy way to justify Kenobi leaving Tatooine that they actually set up but never bothered to establish "An Inquisitor just killed another Jedi in town and is still sniffing around. I should get out of town for a bit so I don't accidentally lead them to Luke" Simple, easy, and believable
A possible story they could have told would have been a “temptation arc” for Kenobi. Something tempts him to leave Luke, an opportunity to fix the past, it backfires and he’s forced to move on and look to the future. But of course that’s under the assumption that you want to develop Kenobi as a character, not latch your own character onto a more popular character like a leech
Indeed. Anything that made the remotest of sense would have been better. And as you reasonably imply the intent was to piggyback their own 'character' on to the Kenobi name, having insufficient faith in their own creation to make a Reeva show in name as well as 'content'. For myself I'd have been much happier with a Reeva show - if by some miracle it turned out to be good Disney would have actually done something to expand rather than contract the Star Wars universe. If as one might expect it was bad then who would care?
Reeeva will get a Ms. Marvel level of popularity series. After nobody watches it they'll push messages about it being the "most popular among critics" or some other weird quote to make it appear more popular than it actually is.
Thanks for telling the truth about this show. It was the worst big budget show I've ever seen. The writing, directing, cinematography, editing, fight scenes, all.soooo bad. But so many youtubers will say "there's so many plot holes" or " there was some problems" but then say"but I enjoyed it"!!! So they don't make the stupid star wars fans mad. Drives me crazy. If something is not well made then it's freakin bad, but there scared to say that. What happen to you tubers? Thanks u for being one of the real ones!
@@reek4062 The original Star Wars stories had three things that none of Disney's stuff has 1) Characters that you cared about. Even the prequels, where you knew what the future held, you still wanted to see them somehow survive, and for things to somehow turn out right. Kenobi got this show because he was someone the audience of the prequels cared about 2) Motivation. Instead of just moving from scene to scene dragged around by the plot, characters had personal desires that caused them to make every decision they did. It was always established why they did what they did, and the writing made sure you could understand it, even if you don't agree with their reasoning 3) A coherent plot. Everything moved from point to point in a way where you could always figure out what was going on. It wasn't chess piece storytelling (where characters are just moved from set piece to set piece). Everything flowed, everything built off each other, and things had purpose beyond a single specific scene
@@joesmutz9287 Yes, the original trilogy has all three things. But the only Star Wars movie after 1983 which has those three things is Solo, though it has 3 only partially.
They really ignored all the pain and hurt Obi-wan went through throughout the Clone Wars, and still remained strong and stalwart at the end when he had to go into hiding to protect Luke... There's a reason he's one of the best of the Jedi and one of few who could go toe to toe with Anakin after his fall.
My feeling was always that Obi Wan sacrificed himself so that he could guide Luke spiritually, like when he told luke to "let go," to blow up the Death Star. because obviously he was not gonna fit into the cockpit of Luke's X-wing. If they wanted to bridge the prequels with a new hope, they would show how Qui-gon did the same to help Ben.
The really scary thing is how you could have sort of made his idea work, give Reva a scar on her head and at one point she remembers what happened after being lied to about the order. The fact that such a simple save wasn't even considered just reminds me how glad I am that I didn't watch it. Then again it might mess with her hair style.
How about instead of a stab it was a slash? Lightsabers have a small amount of a cauterizing effect so you don't immediately bleed out (as shown by Luke on Bespin) but still allows for bleeding (as shown by that first guy in New Hope...as well as Qui Gon) A swipe across the gut would have the same visual effect, but without having to worry about organ damage or internal bleeding
the simplest way of fixing the problem of Reva believing the Jedi were evil would be to have her not be a Padowan during the attack and having her found by Vader afterwards and trained as a Dark Jedi. I mean they could've done a parallel with Ashoka and really given the fandom a middle finger then but no. they go for something even stupider.
The simplest way to fix "the problem of Reva" is to burn Disney to the ground, salt the earth where the ashes fall, and strike all mention of it from the history records. "Disney delenda est!" 😼
@@Notarealchannelok THAT Vader's apprentice was a man and an immensely powerful force user who could've possibly matched pre-injured Vader, whose martyrdom laid some groundwork for the rebellion. For obvious reasons, Disney wants to bury that story.
My question would be why give the middle finger to the fandom as you were saying, considering they are funding these shows and buying the merch. Bad business.
Literally! >Begins to rightly get put on the backfoot by Kylo, a trained swordsman vs her, a novice who's using a lightsaber for the first time ever. Rey: 'The force!' >Immediately begins overpowering the bigger, stronger, far, far, far more skilled and trained opponent before absolutely cutting him down with him not having landed one hit on this beginner. >Films and fan-bots try to rationalise it that he was 'weakened by the bow-caster' and 'grieving for Han Solo' even though he was still able to run through Finn like he should have been able to, despite Finn bizarrely having had a smidgen more training than Rey. >'The Force will sort it out'.exe
So this sounds like the series would be focused on "preparing" for key events. Preparing to go to Leia's aid. Preparing for his death. In the words of Dark Helmet, "Why are you always preparing, just go!"
The concept is not new, in Pirates of Penzance by Sullivan and Gilbert (back in 1879) the island police keeps on singing "here we go, here we go, here we go..." And the heroine exclaims "but you don't go!!" It would appear that nothing has changed in the last 134 years of story telling (except for the worse!)
Everyone complaining about the shitty writing while not acknowledging that the very concept of this entire series breaks the canon. Vader and Obi Wan didn't see each other after RotS until ANH. Period. There was absolutely NO STORY that COULD make sense. This is why I refuse to recognize Disney Star Wars as anything more than horrible corporate fan fiction. I encourage everyone else to do the same. Disney may own the rights to Star Wars, but they DO NOT OWN Star Wars proper. Star Wars belongs to the fans. *WE* kept it alive throughout the decades. *WE* supported the various endeavors, and connected the dots in the Expanded Universe to create a more cohesive canon. *WE* made Star Wars what it was. If not for the fans, Star Wars would've never been anything more than some goofy clown's fantasy story. Even George Lucas recognized this, that He would not be who he is without the support of the fans. Then Disney came along and the first thing they did was shit all over everything by removing the EU from canon. 30+ years of creativity lost in a single corporate temper tantrum. The writing was on the wall from the start... Disney *NEVER* gave a fuck about the property beyond its ability to print money. The fans have to stand up, break their addiction, and *STOP SUPPORTING DISNEY. WE OWE THEM NO LOYALTY, NOR DO WE NEED THEM.* Disney does not provide anything more than disposable entertainment. If Star Wars and Disney disappeared tomorrow, *YOU WOULD SIMPLY FIND SOMETHING NEW TO OCCUPY YOUR TIME. Why wait? As the villians at Disney once said, "Let it die. Kill it if you must." That wasn't meant for the franchise... It was meant for Disney. *LET THEM DIE. STOP GIVING DISNEY YOUR MONEY OR ATTENTION.*
Amen man, amen. Used to love Star Wars, loved the EU, but Disney has made me actually hate it. My anger towards this show comes from the fact that I was fooled into thinking "maybe this one wont be that bad, like Mandalorian". Wrong!
Even after the finale the show still breaks canon because Vader doesn't actually learn anything from Obiwan. Yes yes when Vader buried Obiwan under the rocks and walked away it was him being arrogant but when they actually dueled Vader was dialed in and was not taking any chances but Obiwan straight up overpowered him. So what's the lesson Vader learns? BECOME MORE POWERFUL. God I hate this show
Not the first time these companies have bounced out writers who knew the source material and was passionate about it. Same thing happened with Star Trek and it was an African American writer. The wokies didn't care they got him bounced out on a bs reason.
I haven't read the book on what Obi Wan actually was doing during that time, but I think a Pale Rider kind of grim protector from afar would have made for a cool show and fit a short series. Could have him have to make some darker decisions to assure Luke's life is safe and boring. Could also have him get his hands a bit dirty, showing him learning about using smugglers and evading the eye of the state. Dunno, still may not fit the atmosphere of star wars, but I feel this story was way too grand to have no impact on the OT.
In the Kenobi novel he joins a community policing group... which helps him protect Luke while having a job. That would've made too much sense for Disney Wars though
@@toddpacker1015 At some point he also duels A'Sharad Hett (whose name I'm sure I've misspelled), a Tusken Jedi who figured out who Luke was and tried to kill him in revenge for what Anakin did. Obi-Wan of course defeats him and assumes that's the end of it, but Hett fell more deeply to the Dark Side and formed the One Sith, who were the First Order but first, and *significantly* more competent.
Definitely a western motif would have made sense. I was also thinking of the show Kung Fu as another example - he also has to reluctantly use his Jedi powers to keep them hidden along with his identity.
No problem, thanks for watching :) I've been trying to do at least every other day and hopefully work up to daily. My issue with that is finding topics I think are worth making a video about (besides finding the time). But daily content is definitely the end goal
@@disparutoo Unless you have OODLES of content ideas, keep a steady pace. Daily posts can run you out of material fast, not to mention the work involved. Maybe release content every 2-3 days. You’re worth watching, and we know it’s worth waiting for QUALITY content. Steady on 👊🏽👍🏽 You’re doing great. Just my two cents 🙂
@@disparutoo You might have an easier go of finding topics that are worth posting videos about, if you had something positive to say at all. In that regard you’ll find a broad spectrum of videos that you could post about in my opinion because you can look at the negative and most importantly the positive! And have a more nuanced video instead of a complete bashing fest. I see the potential in you bro just so you know I do watch your videos from time to time because you do have a good sense of humor on the negative side but I would like to hear some positive and I’m sure many of your viewers would like to hear that as well. Otherwise your just feeding a hateful community. Which might be exactly what you want so touché to me. If that’s what you want good luck brother you were contributing to the downfall of the western societies (if that’s the case). There is more nuance in every one of the topics that you’ve posted about than you have given credence to you. In life is the exact same way there’s the bright side and the dark side or if you would the light side and the dark side. You’re going pure Darkside you’re attacking everything and you’re not even admitting that there are some beautiful shining moments in the series. I’m sorry that your whole worldview is based on evolution from animals which is a theory by the way! The evolution of the human race is a theory still! It’s never been proven so have fun with that
The irony is that Lucasfilm created the Story Group headed now by Pablo Hidalgo and its one purpose (and one purpose only) was to make sure all Star Wars content lined up with eachother and did not contradict canon! I kid you not! The biggest issue then is not with the script writer but with Lucasfilm story group (made up of mostly women who had never seen a Star Wars film but were very strong political activist by their own admition!)
Look at Rei's "story arc" and you can see why theu think."the force will sort it out" she didn't need training, she didn't need a mentor, she wasxl just the "Bestest Evar!!!" Because she was a strong independent"type B". No real big shok and I'm sure when they get around to redoing the Original series, leia will be the force's savoir and Luke will be a bumbling farm boy who follows get around and says how Amazing she is!
Actually Disney is under contract as a condition for buying Lucasfilm that they cannot tamper with George's 6 films. So the only way they are going to "redo" the Series is through indirect means like those pathetic Star Wars animated shorts based on the films, or other films/tv series that are suppose to connect to them like Kenobi and Solo. So they technically are already redoing the Original series. The only way to fight it: don't accept anything Disney has done as Canon, At All.
I think they already have kind of done it in a cartoon format of the originals. If I remember correctly they even have Leia slap Luke during the Deathstar rescue, because Luke is of course depicted as a halfwit.
@@strategicperson95 don't even have disney plus, I fight it by not wanting it at all. I'd rather watch Doomcock, disparu and critical drinker Talk about. Disney StarWars than actually watch Disney StarWars 🙂
I had a tortured writer friend who always suffered for his craft. I imagine he'd have been profoundly livid about the writing in this show. Fortunately as a mediocre artist I managed to out live him and he isn't here to rage over the series.
I hope you get more subscribers. Awesome sense of humor and content. Thank you. To be honest I don't understand why Obi does not resist his death more, but I am not fan, I am just curious
Well by the time of a new hope, Obi Won had completed his Jedi training, knowing that at some point he will physically die, but due to his jedi training, he transpires death and achieves immortality through the force, aka, becomes a force ghost with his full conscience intact. Which is the only way immortality can be achieved in the star wars universe, Obi Won sacrifices himself physically because he realised in that moment he would be more helpful to Luke in the astral plain(the force), and allow the others to escape. Hope this helps in understanding what the jedi believe, and can achieve in the star wars universe.
because...the Empire have built the Death Star which is capable of destroying worlds like Alderaan, and will wipe out the Rebellion given the chance, so its critical that the plans in R2 that will allow the Rebellion to exploit a weakness and destroy it, that was the primary mission Obi Wan was tasked with by Leia to do. Obi Wan also knows Luke wont leave him if he is still alive, he is his only family now (so he thinks), , but also knows Vader must not capture Luke. So he sacrifices himself to buy enough time for Han & the gang a chance to escape, because theres no way they can beat Vader, and that forces Luke to leave him, and blindside Vader to what was really going on in the hangar bay, whilst also knowing he could become at one with the force as a force ghost. or you could just go with Georges reasoning, which was he realised ObiWan had become superflous to the rest of the story at that point, as all he could do in the rest of the film would be stand around waiting for the Death Star attack, so he sacrificed him because it added to the drama of the story. and the rest of the stuff about "a certain pov" is because no one thought there'd be sequels or prequels at the time, and its very true of religious orders that they often hold very certain pov views of events which can be contradictory
Never watched any of the stuff you were covering. But watched nearly every of your well researched videos. keep on the good work. greetings from austria
At this point, I wish Disney would just stop... The Movies, TV Shows, Comics, they aren't adding anything interesting or worth while to Star Wars. It's been 10 Years of either mediocre or terrible... It just needs to stop now. They'll never sell the IP, unfortunately, but they also don't have to ever make anymore... Just stop. Or, maybe try something completely new, in a new timeline... Set it in the future 100 Years after Luke, or 1,000 years in the past... I don't know... I just wish they'd stop ruining Star Wars...
When they stop ruining SW they will start ruining something else, and the next in line is probably warhammer, since I doubt japanese companies would ever sell them anything
Has a long time Star Wars fan I feel the originals were perfectly written. When something has been completed to a sufficient degree of satisfaction adding to it just dimish the quality of the work. That is why Otello doesnt need a sequel or Romeo and Juliet a precuel. The reason why Obi wan is not mentioned between the end of episode 3 and episode 4 is because he didnt do anything interesting in that time. He was already a wise Jedi Master so he didnt need more training and the whole point of him being there was to keep a low profile while the rebellion was formed. Disney had to artificially make Obi Wan incompetent in order to give him an arc and create fake crisis that honestly just diminish the story. Obi wan defeating Anakin and then later Vader " beating" him is poetic. It loses its appeal however f its revealed this characters fought each other every week.
@@bewmdogg I think they were sufficiently well written that I didnt need to know more about it. I didnt need to know how Han got his last name, or what Kenobi did in the desert or what school did Tarkin went. All the important parts were already in place.
The original trilogy is great, though Return of the Jedi has some significant flaws which foreshadows the garbage that lies ahead. Anything added after 1983 has been completely unnecessary and often detrimental.
the bit with Revas character motivation for her plan sums up the mess this show is perfectly, it doesnt make any sense if you think about it for more than a second, and clearly none of the creatives on this show bothered to think about it for even that long. As for the content for a budget stuff , its crazy that 100million dollars gets you less than 6hrs, I mean what do they spend it on ? Because I rewatched Blakes 7 recently, a show that in a million years probably never cost more than 1% of that budget for 4 series worth, alot of the sets/effects were cheap and a bit rubbish even for the time, but they spent the money & time properly nailing the stories, the characters, and got people who could act it, and you didnt care that you werent seeing movie level effects, you got the idea from it, because of the compelling nature of the drama you were watching.
Book of Boba Fett already confirmed the latter, when Mando told that droid that "weapons are part of my religion" and then yielded five seconds later because it would delay a flight out that wasn't terribly urgent.
One of the biggest failed tropes of recent "quota based films" is that they have this idea that characters everyone loves and wants to see (Vader, obi wan, etc.) Can't be in a movie without new, diverse characters that no one ever wanted. Dr. Strange did this, making it a Wanda and Mexcico Chavez movie. The recent SW trilogy did this, throwing away Luke and Han, and pretending any of us gave a shit about their new, badly developed characters.
The problem with entertainment is most people can be "entertained" by a campfire. They can sit back relax watch the flames, listen to the crackles and pops, shut their brain off and be content. To be honest, I find campfires more entertaining than any mainstream content out there. The campfire will never try to judge me or indoctrinate me to the message, it will dance for me as long as it is provided with oxygen and fuel. For many people they can turn their brain off and be entertained by the movement and sounds on a screen, if they even have 2 braincells to rub together unlike the writers of these shows. The moment you try to think, it stops being entertaining and becomes frustrating. Star Wars and Star Trek used to be shows that made you think and ignited your imagination, now they are just something to shut your brain up for a few moments while a little drool runs down your chin.
Obi Wan doesn't actually die conventionally speaking he joined the force that's why he told Vader in A New Hope "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Spot on, I don’t know how this was even allowed. As I’ve been saying quite a bit “The only way this could have worked is if “they” had adapted the Kenobi Novel by John Jackson Miller it’s a small story as it should be & works perfectly in the continuity
Obi wan would never be scared to sacrifice himself! All Jedi put their life on the line all the time and we’re always willing to become one with the force. Please don’t let this happen!
I don't understand how someone could spend such a long time on that script, even if it was just a baseline of what was used, then see it on screen, and STILL think of themselves as a writer. But then again he was paid Disney money for some reason, that probably inflated his ego quite a lot.
@@reek4062 if you condone this type of egotistical behaviour you're part of the problem my friend. The hacks at Disney have no humility or accountability for anything they do
@@Nousos To be honest, your fanfic seems pretty good. I'm sorry, I thought your fanfic would be like 'Darth Vader is badass and slices up Jedi and rebels' or 'Luke is a powerful Jedi and beats up stormtroopers.'
you totally right a lot of companies need to suddenly restructure and getting people who are actually talented and stop hiring lawyers to do an artist's job
I think George Lucas should come back as some sort of powerful consultant. They spent so much time demonizing him for the prequels (which still had the best movie in RotS), that he said NO MAS and sold. He needs to return and help Fem Filoni protect the lore. Filoni is being hailed as something he's not because Mandalorian ended up so good. Filoni is loose with lore too.
I love your pacing, it's refreshing and quite fun for me. I would say though there are a few places where you make a point and you 'knock it out of the park' - it would be ok to take a beat there...let it sink in. But, hey I'm loving it so I may be off base on this suggestion.
I think RLM is officially broken, they don't give a rip about what happens with anything SW anymore and so many of their viewers who don't think are going to adopt that consoomer mentality in a heartbeat cuz their favorite movie reviewers said so.
"Obi-Wan Kenobi" was fine! It was super okay. 👍 Anyway, Star Wars has always been dumb, and never made any sense, so it's all okay. Nobody cares anyway, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's fine... We're all fine here now, thank you... How are you?
Ultimately there is still a massive risk for SW. For example, I love Jurassic park, but I completely despise Jurassic World, now they are saying that this last movie might not get a sequel, because of it's reception, (perfectly fine by me!) but how must all those bootlicker fanboys feel? they must be scratching their heads at how this could all go so wrong, well they ignored one vital aspect to a franchises continued success, *reputation* and the world movies have utterly obliterated what was left. Even though we won't be seeing anymore terrible movies, it's reputation is almost permanently damaged (something I hate to see.). Now people don't give a shit about the completely farcical world they've,"built up". Now it's just disposable, brainless entertainment that isn't going to get a sequel, because no one cares, they failed to make people care! And Kenobi is just another blow to SW's reputation, only difference is people are starting to become disenfranchised. I don't know how long before star wars becomes a complete lolcow, to the point that its former status and rep can't even save it...
I honestly think Obi-Wan having to come to terms with his death at the hands of Vader isn't a bad story idea...I just don't like the way this writer was going to implement. Obi-Wan having to accept that it wasn't *his* responsibility to defeat Vader, that it was his destiny to protect Luke so Luke could solve that problem, is a much more compelling story. I think the show was a fundamentally flawed premise, but had I been tapped to write it, I'd have had the "Rematch of the Century" be a Force vision, much like Luke's encounter with Vader in Episode V (before the duel on Cloud City). Let Obi-Wan and a Force projection of Anakin (or Anakin himself, whatever remains of him, trapped inside Vader) face off against Vader together at the Jedi Temple. Have Vader kill Anakin, and have Obi-Wan go all out in retaliation...only for Vader to keep getting back up no matter how much punishment Obi-Wan dishes out. This also does address things people have complained about in the OT as well: Obi-Wan tells Luke Vader killed Anakin because Obi-Wan misinterpreted that part of the vision too literally (and thus, once he's become one withe Force himself he has a better understanding), and Obi-Wan's own fixation, which he passes on to Luke, that Vader must be *destroyed* and cannot be redeemed, because to Obi-Wan, Vader has killed all that was good in Anakin. Basically, Obi-Wan misunderstands what his role in this is, which is a theme George Lucas had himself used (the entire Prequel Trilogy is basically the Jedi putting too much faith in Anakin to destroy the Sith rather than using their own brains). Obi-Wan surrendering to his fate and accepting that it isn't his task to kill Vader *could be* a compelling story; Obi-Wan whining about not wanting to die isn't, really.
Kenobi having a CW power up in Episode 6 because the plot required it bummed me out more than anything. Vader should be untouchable at this point... and if Kenobi is this strong with 100's of Jedis around... why wait to retake the Galaxy? Kenobi in Episode 6 is probably the most powerful force user in the Galaxy
@@toddpacker1015 Yeah, I agree; I think Obi-Wan dueling Reva to protect Luke would've been a better chance to show who he's becoming anyway: have them fight, have him *successfully* convince her to stop where he failed with Anakin, and then have them go their separate ways.
@@AJadedLizard If they adapted how Jedi Fallen Order ended it would've been miles better: Obi-Wan defeats the Inquisitor... she turns to the light. Vader shows up kills the Inquisitor then Obi-Wan barely gets away from Vader. Instead we got unwatchable trash
"Oh, wow, this[Trilla] is Reva" Nothing alike really [Fallen Order spoilers below] Trilla was directly betrayed by her master, and was turned to the darkside through torture and hatred for her master. She was a true believer in her mission to wipe out the Jedi, not pretending to get close to Vader, and in the end after being defeated by Kestis, tells her apologetic master she is lost, right before Vader walks in and kills a terrified Trilla for failing him. As she is cut down, she asks her master and Kestis to avenge her (highlighting that she still isn't a good person by the standards of the Jedi) Trilla's is a more interesting arc, and the performance of her character is far, far superior to that of Reva. She's a more compelling SW antagonist than anything Disney has come up with
Or make Bariss Offee the Reva character and scratch Leia for another Jedi youngling. Show a cameo of Jimmy Smits talking about Leia's progress, with Kenobi, to check that box and continue around that. Would have ended up a ton better.
Reva could've been an interesting character in a good writer's hands. But Kenobi's writer didn't have the writing talent to make Reva an integral addition to Star Wars and, as such, wrecked an established IP just to shoehorn a terribly written (and acted) Reva into it.
Somewhere I've seen Reva done much better: Brigid Tenanbaum from Bioshock She was a Jew who joined the Nazis to avoid death, found and embraced a darker side of herself, remained a monster even after the war, and had one moment of clarity that caused her to betray everything she was working for to save those she put in harms way It would have been so easy to do the same with Reva. She's not actually a monster, she's just pretending to be to avoid death. And when she meets Kenobi, she realizes she has a chance at redemption
Indeed, laziness and ineptitude are at the core of what what's going on with this show. Even taking into consideration their goal to take the spotlight away from Luke, such incompetence makes no sense. And this guys is proud about what he wrote? Indeed, these writers seem to live in a bubble, so that's why their stories don't resonate with the fans: it was never written for them, but for the writer's demented delusions of grandeur. Great review, Disparu
The funny thing is , Disney has Dave Filoni on deck and he has arguably made the best SW content that has ever been made . He is an extension of Lucas , he lives SW. I am 100% sure he could have made a better story than this ……
See this just makes things even more dumb. If she didn't know that Vader was Anakin, that would have made sense both canonically, and also within the realm of the series. She could be fighting *FOR* Vader, thinking she's hunting down Anakin Skywalker, the person who murdered her friends. They could have told her a lie that Anakin was a Jedi who sought power, and the Empire stopped him and all of his evil murderous friends, the Jedi. Then you could have Reva's murderous insanity mean something. Then you could have her find out somehow that Anakin is Vader. But have it be a slip-up by Kenobi where she overhears him, or he straight up tells her. Then the fight between good vs evil should have been her vs Kenobi, and then finally her vs Vader, where she buys time for Kenobi and Luke to get away unseen. Then Reva dies a more heroic death, at least partially redeeming herself, and Vader continues to search for Kenobi. But they didn't do that. It's baffling because it's *RIGHT THERE.* It's money lying on the table, and they said "nah I'll just make my own out of human feces and cheap Chinese newspaper."
Okay, so, 'the Jedi can see the future!'... er, no, that's a JJ Abrams thing... made up explicitly to write Carrie Fisher out after she passed. "But, the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the Force!" The one the council tried to attribute to Anakin? Yeah, sure, they were only off by an entire generation. Sure, the Jedi can see the future.
Vader DID bring balance too the Force... He gave it a hard restart by eliminating the Jedi, and then killing the Sith... They were not wrong, they just didn't know how to read the prophecy right, due to the future always being in motion, Yoda even admits this in Revenge of the Sith...
Well its established lore that the jedi can see the future to some capacity. Hence why Annakin got visions of Padmes death at child birth, (what Annakin didnt realise was it was his turning to the dark side that caused the death of Padme in child birth) they can see the future, but only in small parts and in a what if scenario. Untrained force sensitives can see only a few seconds into the future, hence why they can have quicker than normal reflexes.
Sorry, devil’s advocate here. Anakin’s premonitions served rather important plot significance for both Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Certainly, it shouldn’t be argued that every Jedi could do it, but it isn’t a plot device invented by Abrams.
Actually, Jedi seeing the future isn't a JJ Abrams thing, it was stated by Yoda in The Empire Strikes while training Luke, he states "Through the Force, things you will see, other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone."
Is it just me or does this outline reflect very badly on the person of the writer? Neither his wishes nor his Obi-Wan seem remotely selfless or heroic. No serious intent, no consistency, no willingness to work, no bravery, no self-sacrifice for those you love and value, even to the point of death... ...only cowardice, an uncaring inability to see through your commitments, and me, me, me, me, meeee! I do hope if these people are ever rash enough to have children those poor buggers never have to rely on their parents for anything!
Agreed. They should not hire spineless soy based creatures to write hero characters. It's an interesting insight into the character of that author. I hope he never ends up in a position where someone else depends on him...
Thank you for you having the best take on this article. Some people are using this article to point out things they didn't like about the show, but you are the only one that is pointing out how much this article from author doesn't even make sense. In one paragraph he says, "They changed it all" and also says "I got a writing credit for 4 out 6 episodes because it was all from me." And the rest of the article is just as contradictory. They question is: why did this writer write this article? Why speak out about Reva and the budget and the CGI? Why talk about any of this? Beattie got the writers credit. He got the money. Why write this op-ed? Oh, because he feels guilty. He never says, "They ruined my writing". He has too much ego to say "my stuff was bad" and he is legally blocked from saying "what they wrote sucked" or "how they changed my work made it suck worse". But he needs to rationalize the guilt he feels so he writes this article. This article strikes me as the scenario when there has been a murder and there about 30 suspects in the room and the police says, "Well, I think we will rule this as an accident. Have a good night everyone," and then one person starts ranting for 20 minutes about how it wasn't them that murdered the person....even thought they don't have an alibi, their prints match the murder weapon and they have the best motive now that you think about it. We all know who the person was that murdered in this metaphor btw.
the thing is with writing credits, Im not sure how much of the original writing/idea has to be there to get a credit per the screenwriters guild. For instance Trevorrow gets a writing credit on the Rise of Palpatine, because they used just a few pieces of his original Eps IX script to seed the ideas for their version, but didnt copy/paste it in wholesale. But youd like to think this writer guy recognised when they were using his own work or not, but Im not entirely convinced based on his interview, he probably would.
@@awavey The credit isn't important. No one counted this guys credits. He told us in the article how many he got and why. Why would he do that? He isn't saying the show is great so I wrote it. He is saying the show is shit and they said I wrote it but I didn't but I did. That level of contradiction to a question no one asked can only come from guilt.
So his version makes it a bit better from the show that Reva didn't know Vader was Anakin. And he did at least have a reason for Reva to be in the story, so that Vader would stop looking for Obi Wan, even it seems like she would have been still overused. BUT surely Vader would have realized that she was lying about killing Kenobi? Re their "tiny" (lol) budget- the main reason it looked so cheap for me was the lack of aliens. I can't imagine that had to do with a lack of budget, because much cheaper shows like some of the Star Trek ones had lots of aliens on display.
We know how and why Obi Wan sacrificed himself. He had learned to become a force ghost, enabling him to show Luke, someone younger and in a better position to eventually take down the Empire, the power of the force and help guide him at pivotal moments. And he actually believed in something. We don't need a below average Saturday morning cartoon in live action form to inform us of this.
What a great and obvious idea!! (This is not sarcasm, but may sound like it.) I'm surprised no one has said this before: Hire someone just to point out their SW mistakes and writing mistakes. Wish they would but I'm sure they are doing these mistakes on purpose.
It's clear that if they give Kenobi series where the original cast is back a tighter budget, it's that they don't have beleave in it, or they are just so shrew that they think they can pay Ewan McGregor's bigger cut and take it away from the production budget and everything will be fine. Both possibilities say they are incompetent (might be both suggestion at the same time). You don't waste an opportunity like this but make sure the series outline will be a bomb and designed for a series.... you don't stretch some random movie idea into a series, it won't work (especially if you don't add new side-plots but literally just stretch it with creating air). You would think that such a huge company would make sure that this kinda production would have a solid budget and some certified writers to do the outline of the story and then when in production write the episodes rather than take some random guys bad script and be like: "Go and make a series out of this, we won't be paying you to write a solid story when we already bought this crap with pennies".
The writing at Disney feels not only like disempowerment - and emasculation - of legacy characters, but also the transfer of their valor (initiative, action and responsibility) to other characters that don't own it. Stolen valor. They are completely smashing the hero's journey's narrative, almost as if they wanted to create a collectivist narrative of deconstructed , mediocre and pathetic heroes who have almost no volition and whose good decisions can't be their own.
There is very little that you can do between the sequels and the OT that won't spoil Lucas's story. Rebel's managed it, but only by keeping it to a very small addition. One that respected what came before and after it in the story. It was a significant moment for Kenobi, and probably my favourite moment outside of the OT, one that added to the character, rather than rewrote him as someone completely different, like KK's awful series . It might be twenty years, but Kenobi's story is done, there is no room to mess around. Any sort of series would probably be damaging, even if it had been handled by writers and producers with talent. KK and her omni-shambles were doomed to fail, given that they couldn't create a decent sequel trilogy in the infinite amount of time after the OT.
Hit the nail on the head with that last point mainly Disney since they got their own platform as churning out content for contents sake sake and relying on big name actors or characters to bring people in to setup the next show at the expense of quality. I've tried watching the films and tv shows particularly post End Game and I give up after one or two episodes and don't go cinema anymore as I'm just sitting there thinking this makes no sense logically and that I really don't care
Star Wars doesn't care about it's adult audience, so now that I am an adult, I no longer care about Star Wars. There is better stuff out there anyway, it's time for people to move on.
Just what was Obi-Wan protecting LUKE from? Boredom? And how (aside from that trip to Alderaan on the Falcon ten old years later) was he "training" Luke? Hey, in episode 6 at least Obi-Wan gives Luke that spaceship model we see Luke playing with in ANH, because (somehow) that closes a loop.
If each episode played out as a new lesson and endeavor Obi-Wan had to over come on his path to self forgiveness and letting go; leading up his confrontation with Anikin it would have been perfect.
well if they do have a season 2 with obi wan going thru some kind of an issue to get him to the point where he wants to sacrifice himself for luke, it will be reva at his side kicking his butt to do it. Obi wan didn't need a reason to sacrifice himself, he already had one. when the children were born both he and yoda knew that anikin's offspring would be a threat to him ( the main reason they went to the trouble to splitting up the twins and putting them where the empire couldn't sense them). Obi wan watched over Luke all his life since birth and knew the important part he would play in the story. Even though Obi wan may of wanted to stay at Lukes side and train him more, he know that the sacrifice was needed and that being one with the force ( force ghost ) would make him stronger thus being able to help Luke to become the jedi he was destined to be in more ways than had he lived.
"My death has been foretold - I will die by not defending myself and closing my eyes during a duel." Yep, sounds like he actually did take too much stock in readings...
Oh gawd, the dancing versions of the characters they're going to come up with for the live stage shows and parades. Dancing Reva, Ben and Leia. ...no need for a little dancing Luke.
The season one finale of Disney+/Lucasfilm's Obi-Wan Kenobi drew a five-day Wednesday through Sunday audience of 1.8 million U.S. households, which is 20% higher than the Wednesday through Sunday five-day pull for The Book of Boba Fett finale, which clocked 1.5M U.S. households.
"Working out how to get from set piece to set piece". 2 inquisitors meet a Jedi facet to face but he escapes. How to make his escape believable... hmm. Lets say he drops down some piece of cloth barrier and runs away. Inquisitors are stumped by the impenetrable fabric and just stop the pursuit. Ok, good enough for Disney!
A kenobi movie or series that shows some of his darker side could have been good. In the old movies he used his famous mind trick on the stormtroopers and he was quite deceptive in what he told luke. He was more idealistic in the prequels and clone wars. A story about a kenobi developing this manipulative side to protect the secret of luke skywalker could work. Might even involve some inquisitors and some vader cameos (but no rematch of kenobi and vader - thats just stupid)
Well, that explains the ending. If the writer only cares about instant emotional payoffs, that would explain the weird reversal of moral values of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Instead of switching from deontology to consequentialism or utilitarianism values, he just replaces "the greater good" with "my own emotions and values". Why does he insist on starting the story in a position where most of its aspects were resolved in the movies? Obi-Wan was raised to be courageous, self-sacrificing and strong faith in the Force, and he has shown these values throughout the movies and animated series. He came to Tatooine with nothing but absurd faith that somehow Luke is the key to defeating thd Sith. His angst on the decision to kill Anakin was mostly resolved when blades crossed and he left him to burn on Mustafar. I am still waiting for the extraordinary evidence that, in the face of such qualities, Obi-Wan reneged his duties and abandoned the Force is a sensible thing. Also, if Reva believed that Order 66 was an act of the good guys, then logically she supports collective punishment. She didn't consider how odd that younglings like her with no knowledge of the plot to overthrow the government should also be killed purely by their association with the Jedi? Well, that explains her going Sharia law on that woman in Episode 1.
The man who decides to dedicate his remaining life to protect Luke and train him is a selfish bastards who doesn't agree to sacrifice himself to save the universe and the kid he has/would been/be protecting, makes total sense and it is the most relatable thing in the world.
Has anyone thought, after seeing the prequels, that Obi Wan wouldn't be ready to sacrifice himself for the cause? (the cause used to be important) We didn't need all that spelled out so that there is no ambiguity or room for thought about what if, much less do we need Kenobi not be what we all know him as, since his early days, up until the end, he was already flawed enough ,but was able to always keep his stoicism, we don't need a little detour in his life where all his character gets cheapened for a quick buck
So it turns out any movies would have been as doomed as the show, but what do you think of his changes for Reva? Do you think they would have been an improvement, do you like his idea for season 2? Or is that doomed to the same fate as the first? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
Reva's death would have been an improvement regardless.
She is still a mass murdering child killer. Her only redemption is the same as Vader. Self sacrifice.
Based on the track record of the people handling this show I don't think it would have made much difference, if you're willing to produce this much trash with one story you would do it with another
It was a travesty from the start. Reva should never have been in the show. Leia should never have been in the show. The whole series should be canned and burned, along with 7, 8 and 9.
The original script sounds pretty bad too. It's hard to polish a turd.
To be honest, the only reason I know anything about this show is because I watch you, Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic. I don't watch it because I don't consider it cannon. The books, including the Han Solo trilogy were great and that is cannon to me.
Obi-Wan: "I will need to watch over and protect Anakin's son. So my plan is to bury my lightsaber and abandon the Force completely."
Everyone with a brain: "Doesn't that mean you won't actually be able to protect him if you need to?"
Obi-Wan: ".... I'm sad "
The fact that he is content with how it came out hurts my writer's soul. Whatever happened to the stories that followed the human experience and struggle? That was the heart of Star Wars and everything we loved about it. At this point, this is like watching an elderly friend get abused, and no one will let you help them. They already cut out the characters that I loved most in the expanded universe. This is just heartbreaking for me.
The worst thing is that they didn't just cut them out... they cannibalised the EU concepts and gave us bad versions... like Jacen Solo swapped for Kylo Ren... throwaway-quality writing about a character who had a legitimate struggle and story in the EU.
I feel like the writers have 2 main problems. Problem one is that they’re extremely arrogant brats, however there’s not enough vertebrae between the lot of them to form a spine. They don’t critique each other at all and it shows, sometimes you can quite literally feel how they’re all just throwing more lines or more scenes in. “And then they did-“ or “And then they said-“ seems to make up the entirety of their talents. Problem 2 would be that they don’t have the right things in mind when trying to make a story, they aren’t thinking of making a great emotional experience that panders to the daily struggle of lots of people. War, famine, christ at least get something going other than “white man bad”. This gets especially prevalent when characters start being magically fine all the time. Why get invested when there’s no stakes? Reva was STABBED THRU THE CHEST TWICE WITH THE MOST DEADLY WEAPON IN THE GALAXY, and she’s still COMPLETELY FINE less than a few hours later. No stakes, no risk, no emotion. But here’s the thing… they know that. They know they don’t HAVE to actually think about anything like that, trying to make a show that will be remembered for its creativity and ability to convey emotion, because they’ve got something better. *NOSTALGIAAAA*! and boy howdy do they abuse the ever loving crap out of it. You want real emotion? Oh well uhh- remember when Obi Wan was Anakins master?! Let’s show them some flash back scenes that show how he’s angry! That way when we break the lore even harder, they won’t notice and will be too caught up watching Obi Wan do Elden Ring rolls all over the place. It did surprise me that they even had flashbacks, considering they’ve barely watched the movies themselves. Which is increasingly prevalent with every word that comes out of their mouths. And now they try to claim that “actchually uhhh it’s what happened and if you don’t think so too bad, oh and also the entire star wars fandom is a bunch of racists.” We seriously need some control on disney, they’ve become so big that they can insult their own fans and still get away with it. Is that not the literal definition of having a monopoly? They cannot screw up and be unable to fix it with money. Of course there’s not much the average joe can do about that though. This whole situation has got me reminiscent however, people being silenced for disagreeing with a massive corporation? Kinda sounds like the empire xD Anyways this is long enough, thanks for reading!
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''They already cut out the characters that I loved most in the expanded universe. This is just heartbreaking for me.'' lmao
I'm sure it had everything to do with Klutch Kennedy's *"The FORCED Female"* or whatever was witten on those stupid shirts she and her coven were wearing.
You know, there was one easy way to justify Kenobi leaving Tatooine that they actually set up but never bothered to establish
"An Inquisitor just killed another Jedi in town and is still sniffing around. I should get out of town for a bit so I don't accidentally lead them to Luke"
Simple, easy, and believable
I like how you think that Disney still hires writers ... you know instead of monkeys.
@@gusty9053 I think the fact they actually did this, but just forgot to acknowledge it is proof that monkey is too nice a term
@@gusty9053 This can't be written by any primate
A possible story they could have told would have been a “temptation arc” for Kenobi. Something tempts him to leave Luke, an opportunity to fix the past, it backfires and he’s forced to move on and look to the future. But of course that’s under the assumption that you want to develop Kenobi as a character, not latch your own character onto a more popular character like a leech
I could’ve written the Kenobi script on toilet paper and still come up with something better than we got.
This show did more to develop Kenobi to a character than the prequels did.
@@iwantgoals1566 dew it
@@reek4062 i thought the kenobi show was as good as the prequels. because i remember how freakin awful the prequels were
Indeed. Anything that made the remotest of sense would have been better. And as you reasonably imply the intent was to piggyback their own 'character' on to the Kenobi name, having insufficient faith in their own creation to make a Reeva show in name as well as 'content'.
For myself I'd have been much happier with a Reeva show - if by some miracle it turned out to be good Disney would have actually done something to expand rather than contract the Star Wars universe. If as one might expect it was bad then who would care?
Reeeva will get a Ms. Marvel level of popularity series.
After nobody watches it they'll push messages about it being the "most popular among critics" or some other weird quote to make it appear more popular than it actually is.
Reva is fine. If she gets her own spinoff series we'll all watch and enjoy it
@@reek4062 Reva is a boring character with no arc, no motivation, no brain, and frankly no reason for existing
No one will watch her series
@@reek4062 well... we already watched and didn´t enjoy it to be honest.
@@reek4062 The only way I would watch a Reva show is if they recasted her with Leslie Jones 🙌
Thanks for telling the truth about this show. It was the worst big budget show I've ever seen. The writing, directing, cinematography, editing, fight scenes, all.soooo bad. But so many youtubers will say "there's so many plot holes" or " there was some problems" but then say"but I enjoyed it"!!! So they don't make the stupid star wars fans mad. Drives me crazy. If something is not well made then it's freakin bad, but there scared to say that. What happen to you tubers? Thanks u for being one of the real ones!
This show was great (for Star Wars standards). Just admit that you enjoyed it.
@@reek4062 you can enjoy bad shows - Obi Wan was objectively bad.
There's no measure you can apply to this show that has it coming out as good
@@reek4062 The original Star Wars stories had three things that none of Disney's stuff has
1) Characters that you cared about. Even the prequels, where you knew what the future held, you still wanted to see them somehow survive, and for things to somehow turn out right. Kenobi got this show because he was someone the audience of the prequels cared about
2) Motivation. Instead of just moving from scene to scene dragged around by the plot, characters had personal desires that caused them to make every decision they did. It was always established why they did what they did, and the writing made sure you could understand it, even if you don't agree with their reasoning
3) A coherent plot. Everything moved from point to point in a way where you could always figure out what was going on. It wasn't chess piece storytelling (where characters are just moved from set piece to set piece). Everything flowed, everything built off each other, and things had purpose beyond a single specific scene
@@anon17472 Compared to most other Star Wars products, Kenobi was pretty good.
@@joesmutz9287 Yes, the original trilogy has all three things. But the only Star Wars movie after 1983 which has those three things is Solo, though it has 3 only partially.
They really ignored all the pain and hurt Obi-wan went through throughout the Clone Wars, and still remained strong and stalwart at the end when he had to go into hiding to protect Luke... There's a reason he's one of the best of the Jedi and one of few who could go toe to toe with Anakin after his fall.
My feeling was always that Obi Wan sacrificed himself so that he could guide Luke spiritually, like when he told luke to "let go," to blow up the Death Star. because obviously he was not gonna fit into the cockpit of Luke's X-wing. If they wanted to bridge the prequels with a new hope, they would show how Qui-gon did the same to help Ben.
The really scary thing is how you could have sort of made his idea work, give Reva a scar on her head and at one point she remembers what happened after being lied to about the order. The fact that such a simple save wasn't even considered just reminds me how glad I am that I didn't watch it.
Then again it might mess with her hair style.
Based on Disney’s internal logic -Anakin/Vader stabs her through the head with a lightsaber as a youngling - she survives 😂
How about instead of a stab it was a slash?
Lightsabers have a small amount of a cauterizing effect so you don't immediately bleed out (as shown by Luke on Bespin) but still allows for bleeding (as shown by that first guy in New Hope...as well as Qui Gon)
A swipe across the gut would have the same visual effect, but without having to worry about organ damage or internal bleeding
No just kill Riva off. She is not aikeable character.
Does this screm queen has a hair style, she certainly has no class - let alone style.
A Jedi Knight is exactly the type of person who would NOT let himself get discouraged at the time when he most needed to be on the ball.
the simplest way of fixing the problem of Reva believing the Jedi were evil would be to have her not be a Padowan during the attack and having her found by Vader afterwards and trained as a Dark Jedi.
I mean they could've done a parallel with Ashoka and really given the fandom a middle finger then but no.
they go for something even stupider.
The simplest way to fix "the problem of Reva" is to burn Disney to the ground, salt the earth where the ashes fall, and strike all mention of it from the history records.
"Disney delenda est!" 😼
Isn't that just The Force Unleashed?
@@Notarealchannelok THAT Vader's apprentice was a man and an immensely powerful force user who could've possibly matched pre-injured Vader, whose martyrdom laid some groundwork for the rebellion. For obvious reasons, Disney wants to bury that story.
@@Notarealchannelok pretty much yeah, but Disney isn't doing anything original these days is it
My question would be why give the middle finger to the fandom as you were saying, considering they are funding these shows and buying the merch. Bad business.
"The Force will sort it out."
That's basically Rey's entire character arc. At least they're writing what they know.
Literally!
>Begins to rightly get put on the backfoot by Kylo, a trained swordsman vs her, a novice who's using a lightsaber for the first time ever.
Rey: 'The force!'
>Immediately begins overpowering the bigger, stronger, far, far, far more skilled and trained opponent before absolutely cutting him down with him not having landed one hit on this beginner.
>Films and fan-bots try to rationalise it that he was 'weakened by the bow-caster' and 'grieving for Han Solo' even though he was still able to run through Finn like he should have been able to, despite Finn bizarrely having had a smidgen more training than Rey.
>'The Force will sort it out'.exe
So this sounds like the series would be focused on "preparing" for key events. Preparing to go to Leia's aid. Preparing for his death.
In the words of Dark Helmet, "Why are you always preparing, just go!"
The concept is not new, in Pirates of Penzance by Sullivan and Gilbert (back in 1879) the island police keeps on singing "here we go, here we go, here we go..." And the heroine exclaims "but you don't go!!"
It would appear that nothing has changed in the last 134 years of story telling (except for the worse!)
Everyone complaining about the shitty writing while not acknowledging that the very concept of this entire series breaks the canon. Vader and Obi Wan didn't see each other after RotS until ANH. Period. There was absolutely NO STORY that COULD make sense.
This is why I refuse to recognize Disney Star Wars as anything more than horrible corporate fan fiction. I encourage everyone else to do the same. Disney may own the rights to Star Wars, but they DO NOT OWN Star Wars proper. Star Wars belongs to the fans. *WE* kept it alive throughout the decades. *WE* supported the various endeavors, and connected the dots in the Expanded Universe to create a more cohesive canon. *WE* made Star Wars what it was. If not for the fans, Star Wars would've never been anything more than some goofy clown's fantasy story. Even George Lucas recognized this, that He would not be who he is without the support of the fans.
Then Disney came along and the first thing they did was shit all over everything by removing the EU from canon. 30+ years of creativity lost in a single corporate temper tantrum. The writing was on the wall from the start... Disney *NEVER* gave a fuck about the property beyond its ability to print money. The fans have to stand up, break their addiction, and *STOP SUPPORTING DISNEY. WE OWE THEM NO LOYALTY, NOR DO WE NEED THEM.* Disney does not provide anything more than disposable entertainment. If Star Wars and Disney disappeared tomorrow, *YOU WOULD SIMPLY FIND SOMETHING NEW TO OCCUPY YOUR TIME.
Why wait? As the villians at Disney once said, "Let it die. Kill it if you must."
That wasn't meant for the franchise... It was meant for Disney.
*LET THEM DIE. STOP GIVING DISNEY YOUR MONEY OR ATTENTION.*
Amen man, amen. Used to love Star Wars, loved the EU, but Disney has made me actually hate it. My anger towards this show comes from the fact that I was fooled into thinking "maybe this one wont be that bad, like Mandalorian". Wrong!
Thor Skywalker makes a good case for this. This whole series breaks canon by the mere fact that it exists.
I always thought they had very little wiggle room with this story and they fucked it up episode 1
Even after the finale the show still breaks canon because Vader doesn't actually learn anything from Obiwan. Yes yes when Vader buried Obiwan under the rocks and walked away it was him being arrogant but when they actually dueled Vader was dialed in and was not taking any chances but Obiwan straight up overpowered him. So what's the lesson Vader learns? BECOME MORE POWERFUL. God I hate this show
Not the first time these companies have bounced out writers who knew the source material and was passionate about it. Same thing happened with Star Trek and it was an African American writer. The wokies didn't care they got him bounced out on a bs reason.
people who whine aboot 'woke' often do it to hide their own insecurity
@@reek4062 no, We complain about wokeness because it's objectively there and it's objectively shit.
Kenobi writing in a nutshell:
Reeva: something something revenge
Obi-wan: something something emo
Leia: something something cringe
Vader: something something heavy breathing
I haven't read the book on what Obi Wan actually was doing during that time, but I think a Pale Rider kind of grim protector from afar would have made for a cool show and fit a short series. Could have him have to make some darker decisions to assure Luke's life is safe and boring. Could also have him get his hands a bit dirty, showing him learning about using smugglers and evading the eye of the state. Dunno, still may not fit the atmosphere of star wars, but I feel this story was way too grand to have no impact on the OT.
In the Kenobi novel he joins a community policing group... which helps him protect Luke while having a job. That would've made too much sense for Disney Wars though
@@toddpacker1015 At some point he also duels A'Sharad Hett (whose name I'm sure I've misspelled), a Tusken Jedi who figured out who Luke was and tried to kill him in revenge for what Anakin did. Obi-Wan of course defeats him and assumes that's the end of it, but Hett fell more deeply to the Dark Side and formed the One Sith, who were the First Order but first, and *significantly* more competent.
Definitely a western motif would have made sense. I was also thinking of the show Kung Fu as another example - he also has to reluctantly use his Jedi powers to keep them hidden along with his identity.
I'm enjoying the daily content. Thanks again Disparu
No problem, thanks for watching :) I've been trying to do at least every other day and hopefully work up to daily. My issue with that is finding topics I think are worth making a video about (besides finding the time). But daily content is definitely the end goal
@@disparutoo Unless you have OODLES of content ideas, keep a steady pace. Daily posts can run you out of material fast, not to mention the work involved. Maybe release content every 2-3 days. You’re worth watching, and we know it’s worth waiting for QUALITY content. Steady on 👊🏽👍🏽 You’re doing great. Just my two cents 🙂
@@disparutoo You might have an easier go of finding topics that are worth posting videos about, if you had something positive to say at all. In that regard you’ll find a broad spectrum of videos that you could post about in my opinion because you can look at the negative and most importantly the positive! And have a more nuanced video instead of a complete bashing fest. I see the potential in you bro just so you know I do watch your videos from time to time because you do have a good sense of humor on the negative side but I would like to hear some positive and I’m sure many of your viewers would like to hear that as well. Otherwise your just feeding a hateful community. Which might be exactly what you want so touché to me. If that’s what you want good luck brother you were contributing to the downfall of the western societies (if that’s the case). There is more nuance in every one of the topics that you’ve posted about than you have given credence to you. In life is the exact same way there’s the bright side and the dark side or if you would the light side and the dark side. You’re going pure Darkside you’re attacking everything and you’re not even admitting that there are some beautiful shining moments in the series. I’m sorry that your whole worldview is based on evolution from animals which is a theory by the way! The evolution of the human race is a theory still! It’s never been proven so have fun with that
"Without respect we reject" - Dicktor Van Doomcock
Hail Doomcock!
The irony is that Lucasfilm created the Story Group headed now by Pablo Hidalgo and its one purpose (and one purpose only) was to make sure all Star Wars content lined up with eachother and did not contradict canon!
I kid you not!
The biggest issue then is not with the script writer but with Lucasfilm story group (made up of mostly women who had never seen a Star Wars film but were very strong political activist by their own admition!)
I could see that
Look at Rei's "story arc" and you can see why theu think."the force will sort it out" she didn't need training, she didn't need a mentor, she wasxl just the "Bestest Evar!!!" Because she was a strong independent"type B". No real big shok and I'm sure when they get around to redoing the Original series, leia will be the force's savoir and Luke will be a bumbling farm boy who follows get around and says how Amazing she is!
Actually Disney is under contract as a condition for buying Lucasfilm that they cannot tamper with George's 6 films.
So the only way they are going to "redo" the Series is through indirect means like those pathetic Star Wars animated shorts based on the films, or other films/tv series that are suppose to connect to them like Kenobi and Solo.
So they technically are already redoing the Original series.
The only way to fight it: don't accept anything Disney has done as Canon, At All.
I think they already have kind of done it in a cartoon format of the originals. If I remember correctly they even have Leia slap Luke during the Deathstar rescue, because Luke is of course depicted as a halfwit.
@@strategicperson95 don't even have disney plus, I fight it by not wanting it at all. I'd rather watch Doomcock, disparu and critical drinker Talk about. Disney StarWars than actually watch Disney StarWars 🙂
"The goal for Disney is to pump out as much content for as cheaply as possible"
So... Now Disney is the McDonald's of entertainment?
Pretty much. They have their moments, unfortunately those moments are getting rare.
Disney keeps feeding you because you keep eating and asking for more
Always have been
I had a tortured writer friend who always suffered for his craft. I imagine he'd have been profoundly livid about the writing in this show.
Fortunately as a mediocre artist I managed to out live him and he isn't here to rage over the series.
I hope you get more subscribers. Awesome sense of humor and content. Thank you. To be honest I don't understand why Obi does not resist his death more, but I am not fan, I am just curious
Well by the time of a new hope, Obi Won had completed his Jedi training, knowing that at some point he will physically die, but due to his jedi training, he transpires death and achieves immortality through the force, aka, becomes a force ghost with his full conscience intact. Which is the only way immortality can be achieved in the star wars universe, Obi Won sacrifices himself physically because he realised in that moment he would be more helpful to Luke in the astral plain(the force), and allow the others to escape. Hope this helps in understanding what the jedi believe, and can achieve in the star wars universe.
because...the Empire have built the Death Star which is capable of destroying worlds like Alderaan, and will wipe out the Rebellion given the chance, so its critical that the plans in R2 that will allow the Rebellion to exploit a weakness and destroy it, that was the primary mission Obi Wan was tasked with by Leia to do. Obi Wan also knows Luke wont leave him if he is still alive, he is his only family now (so he thinks), , but also knows Vader must not capture Luke. So he sacrifices himself to buy enough time for Han & the gang a chance to escape, because theres no way they can beat Vader, and that forces Luke to leave him, and blindside Vader to what was really going on in the hangar bay, whilst also knowing he could become at one with the force as a force ghost.
or you could just go with Georges reasoning, which was he realised ObiWan had become superflous to the rest of the story at that point, as all he could do in the rest of the film would be stand around waiting for the Death Star attack, so he sacrificed him because it added to the drama of the story. and the rest of the stuff about "a certain pov" is because no one thought there'd be sequels or prequels at the time, and its very true of religious orders that they often hold very certain pov views of events which can be contradictory
Never watched any of the stuff you were covering. But watched nearly every of your well researched videos. keep on the good work. greetings from austria
At this point, I wish Disney would just stop... The Movies, TV Shows, Comics, they aren't adding anything interesting or worth while to Star Wars. It's been 10 Years of either mediocre or terrible... It just needs to stop now. They'll never sell the IP, unfortunately, but they also don't have to ever make anymore... Just stop. Or, maybe try something completely new, in a new timeline... Set it in the future 100 Years after Luke, or 1,000 years in the past... I don't know... I just wish they'd stop ruining Star Wars...
When they stop ruining SW they will start ruining something else, and the next in line is probably warhammer, since I doubt japanese companies would ever sell them anything
Dude, you're blowing up so fast. Really enjoy the content and opinions. Keep it up man. Sky's the limit 🤘🏻
Your critique is spot on. Your delivery is like an assault rifle. So glad I discovered your site. Keep hammering them
Has a long time Star Wars fan I feel the originals were perfectly written. When something has been completed to a sufficient degree of satisfaction adding to it just dimish the quality of the work. That is why Otello doesnt need a sequel or Romeo and Juliet a precuel. The reason why Obi wan is not mentioned between the end of episode 3 and episode 4 is because he didnt do anything interesting in that time. He was already a wise Jedi Master so he didnt need more training and the whole point of him being there was to keep a low profile while the rebellion was formed. Disney had to artificially make Obi Wan incompetent in order to give him an arc and create fake crisis that honestly just diminish the story. Obi wan defeating Anakin and then later Vader " beating" him is poetic. It loses its appeal however f its revealed this characters fought each other every week.
The OGs were far from perfectly written. Way, way far from it.
@@bewmdogg I think they were sufficiently well written that I didnt need to know more about it. I didnt need to know how Han got his last name, or what Kenobi did in the desert or what school did Tarkin went. All the important parts were already in place.
@@bewmdogg You don't think Leia being Luke's sister is perfectly written?
The original trilogy is great, though Return of the Jedi has some significant flaws which foreshadows the garbage that lies ahead. Anything added after 1983 has been completely unnecessary and often detrimental.
@@ramonserna8089 yes, the OT told everything we needed to know
the bit with Revas character motivation for her plan sums up the mess this show is perfectly, it doesnt make any sense if you think about it for more than a second, and clearly none of the creatives on this show bothered to think about it for even that long. As for the content for a budget stuff , its crazy that 100million dollars gets you less than 6hrs, I mean what do they spend it on ?
Because I rewatched Blakes 7 recently, a show that in a million years probably never cost more than 1% of that budget for 4 series worth, alot of the sets/effects were cheap and a bit rubbish even for the time, but they spent the money & time properly nailing the stories, the characters, and got people who could act it, and you didnt care that you werent seeing movie level effects, you got the idea from it, because of the compelling nature of the drama you were watching.
It doesn’t matter if it’s good. All that matters is keeping people subscribed to “see if it’s good”.
You are spot on! Dumbness and brainlessness of the writers and disney is beyond believable!
Perfectly precise and truthful review. Bloody well done. Cheers.
This just confirms that Disney does not understand heroism nor faith.
Book of Boba Fett already confirmed the latter, when Mando told that droid that "weapons are part of my religion" and then yielded five seconds later because it would delay a flight out that wasn't terribly urgent.
It's interesting how this series proves Kenobi could take out Vader, making the whole plan with Luke redundant.
Can you continue to refer to it as Obi-Wan Kanblowme though please. It cracks me up.
One of the biggest failed tropes of recent "quota based films" is that they have this idea that characters everyone loves and wants to see (Vader, obi wan, etc.) Can't be in a movie without new, diverse characters that no one ever wanted. Dr. Strange did this, making it a Wanda and Mexcico Chavez movie. The recent SW trilogy did this, throwing away Luke and Han, and pretending any of us gave a shit about their new, badly developed characters.
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The problem with entertainment is most people can be "entertained" by a campfire. They can sit back relax watch the flames, listen to the crackles and pops, shut their brain off and be content. To be honest, I find campfires more entertaining than any mainstream content out there. The campfire will never try to judge me or indoctrinate me to the message, it will dance for me as long as it is provided with oxygen and fuel. For many people they can turn their brain off and be entertained by the movement and sounds on a screen, if they even have 2 braincells to rub together unlike the writers of these shows. The moment you try to think, it stops being entertaining and becomes frustrating.
Star Wars and Star Trek used to be shows that made you think and ignited your imagination, now they are just something to shut your brain up for a few moments while a little drool runs down your chin.
Obi Wan doesn't actually die conventionally speaking he joined the force that's why he told Vader in A New Hope "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Spot on, I don’t know how this was even allowed. As I’ve been saying quite a bit “The only way this could have worked is if “they” had adapted the Kenobi Novel by John Jackson Miller it’s a small story as it should be & works perfectly in the continuity
Obi wan would never be scared to sacrifice himself! All Jedi put their life on the line all the time and we’re always willing to become one with the force. Please don’t let this happen!
I don't understand how someone could spend such a long time on that script, even if it was just a baseline of what was used, then see it on screen, and STILL think of themselves as a writer.
But then again he was paid Disney money for some reason, that probably inflated his ego quite a lot.
Are you jealous Disney rejected your poor fanfics, but accepted their better stories?
@@reek4062 I'm jealous I don't have a company to buy any IP to promote characters I like by destroying characters that I don't, yes.
@@reek4062 also my fanfic of a Hutt jedi who fights evil on the underbelly of Nar-shadaa needs to be told, stop hating.
@@reek4062 if you condone this type of egotistical behaviour you're part of the problem my friend. The hacks at Disney have no humility or accountability for anything they do
@@Nousos To be honest, your fanfic seems pretty good. I'm sorry, I thought your fanfic would be like 'Darth Vader is badass and slices up Jedi and rebels' or 'Luke is a powerful Jedi and beats up stormtroopers.'
More wonderfully exposed ideas for the rest of us to gobble up. Thanks again for the excellent content!
"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bulls..."
you totally right a lot of companies need to suddenly restructure and getting people who are actually talented and stop hiring lawyers to do an artist's job
The well is dry, the stars have been snuffed, and all our fields are wastelands.
Good bye Obi-Wan Kenobi, there is no longer any hope
Don't you know the Force just ".. sorting everything out" is a real thing? It's called Laissez-Farce.
I think George Lucas should come back as some sort of powerful consultant. They spent so much time demonizing him for the prequels (which still had the best movie in RotS), that he said NO MAS and sold. He needs to return and help Fem Filoni protect the lore. Filoni is being hailed as something he's not because Mandalorian ended up so good. Filoni is loose with lore too.
It's funny that the best Star Wars movie wasn't directed by George Lucas, while he has directed two atrocities
@@reek4062 he never said anything about directing, he said let GL be a consultant because that's where he shines
@@reek4062 he didn't direct Howard the duck or more American graffiti.
I love your pacing, it's refreshing and quite fun for me. I would say though there are a few places where you make a point and you 'knock it out of the park' - it would be ok to take a beat there...let it sink in. But, hey I'm loving it so I may be off base on this suggestion.
I think RLM is officially broken, they don't give a rip about what happens with anything SW anymore and so many of their viewers who don't think are going to adopt that consoomer mentality in a heartbeat cuz their favorite movie reviewers said so.
"Obi-Wan Kenobi" was fine! It was super okay. 👍
Anyway, Star Wars has always been dumb, and never made any sense, so it's all okay.
Nobody cares anyway, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's fine... We're all fine here now, thank you... How are you?
@@atomicdancer it feels like a few of the books and games get it right often but since disney took over it’s nearly unrecognizable
@@昭夫-o6y Star Wars already turned to shit before Disney took over
Ultimately there is still a massive risk for SW. For example, I love Jurassic park, but I completely despise Jurassic World, now they are saying that this last movie might not get a sequel, because of it's reception, (perfectly fine by me!) but how must all those bootlicker fanboys feel? they must be scratching their heads at how this could all go so wrong, well they ignored one vital aspect to a franchises continued success, *reputation* and the world movies have utterly obliterated what was left. Even though we won't be seeing anymore terrible movies, it's reputation is almost permanently damaged (something I hate to see.).
Now people don't give a shit about the completely farcical world they've,"built up". Now it's just disposable, brainless entertainment that isn't going to get a sequel, because no one cares, they failed to make people care!
And Kenobi is just another blow to SW's reputation, only difference is people are starting to become disenfranchised. I don't know how long before star wars becomes a complete lolcow, to the point that its former status and rep can't even save it...
@@reek4062 no it did not.
I honestly think Obi-Wan having to come to terms with his death at the hands of Vader isn't a bad story idea...I just don't like the way this writer was going to implement.
Obi-Wan having to accept that it wasn't *his* responsibility to defeat Vader, that it was his destiny to protect Luke so Luke could solve that problem, is a much more compelling story.
I think the show was a fundamentally flawed premise, but had I been tapped to write it, I'd have had the "Rematch of the Century" be a Force vision, much like Luke's encounter with Vader in Episode V (before the duel on Cloud City). Let Obi-Wan and a Force projection of Anakin (or Anakin himself, whatever remains of him, trapped inside Vader) face off against Vader together at the Jedi Temple. Have Vader kill Anakin, and have Obi-Wan go all out in retaliation...only for Vader to keep getting back up no matter how much punishment Obi-Wan dishes out.
This also does address things people have complained about in the OT as well: Obi-Wan tells Luke Vader killed Anakin because Obi-Wan misinterpreted that part of the vision too literally (and thus, once he's become one withe Force himself he has a better understanding), and Obi-Wan's own fixation, which he passes on to Luke, that Vader must be *destroyed* and cannot be redeemed, because to Obi-Wan, Vader has killed all that was good in Anakin. Basically, Obi-Wan misunderstands what his role in this is, which is a theme George Lucas had himself used (the entire Prequel Trilogy is basically the Jedi putting too much faith in Anakin to destroy the Sith rather than using their own brains).
Obi-Wan surrendering to his fate and accepting that it isn't his task to kill Vader *could be* a compelling story; Obi-Wan whining about not wanting to die isn't, really.
Kenobi having a CW power up in Episode 6 because the plot required it bummed me out more than anything. Vader should be untouchable at this point... and if Kenobi is this strong with 100's of Jedis around... why wait to retake the Galaxy? Kenobi in Episode 6 is probably the most powerful force user in the Galaxy
@@toddpacker1015 Yeah, I agree; I think Obi-Wan dueling Reva to protect Luke would've been a better chance to show who he's becoming anyway: have them fight, have him *successfully* convince her to stop where he failed with Anakin, and then have them go their separate ways.
@@AJadedLizard If they adapted how Jedi Fallen Order ended it would've been miles better: Obi-Wan defeats the Inquisitor... she turns to the light. Vader shows up kills the Inquisitor then Obi-Wan barely gets away from Vader. Instead we got unwatchable trash
Would’ve been more epic to see Hayden Christensen revive Anakin versus Vader fight like Luke in dagobah, only Anakin looses and gets killed
@@Usernumber777 Yeah. Honestly, I didn't want to watch Anakin and Obi-Wan fight each other, I wanted to see them together.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb"
Star Wars = First trilogy + Second trilogy . Everything after that, is not Star Wars but Disney Wars.
"Oh, wow, this[Trilla] is Reva"
Nothing alike really
[Fallen Order spoilers below]
Trilla was directly betrayed by her master, and was turned to the darkside through torture and hatred for her master. She was a true believer in her mission to wipe out the Jedi, not pretending to get close to Vader, and in the end after being defeated by Kestis, tells her apologetic master she is lost, right before Vader walks in and kills a terrified Trilla for failing him. As she is cut down, she asks her master and Kestis to avenge her (highlighting that she still isn't a good person by the standards of the Jedi)
Trilla's is a more interesting arc, and the performance of her character is far, far superior to that of Reva. She's a more compelling SW antagonist than anything Disney has come up with
Or make Bariss Offee the Reva character and scratch Leia for another Jedi youngling. Show a cameo of Jimmy Smits talking about Leia's progress, with Kenobi, to check that box and continue around that. Would have ended up a ton better.
Reva could've been an interesting character in a good writer's hands. But Kenobi's writer didn't have the writing talent to make Reva an integral addition to Star Wars and, as such, wrecked an established IP just to shoehorn a terribly written (and acted) Reva into it.
Somewhere I've seen Reva done much better:
Brigid Tenanbaum from Bioshock
She was a Jew who joined the Nazis to avoid death, found and embraced a darker side of herself, remained a monster even after the war, and had one moment of clarity that caused her to betray everything she was working for to save those she put in harms way
It would have been so easy to do the same with Reva. She's not actually a monster, she's just pretending to be to avoid death. And when she meets Kenobi, she realizes she has a chance at redemption
Indeed, laziness and ineptitude are at the core of what what's going on with this show. Even taking into consideration their goal to take the spotlight away from Luke, such incompetence makes no sense. And this guys is proud about what he wrote? Indeed, these writers seem to live in a bubble, so that's why their stories don't resonate with the fans: it was never written for them, but for the writer's demented delusions of grandeur. Great review, Disparu
The funny thing is , Disney has Dave Filoni on deck and he has arguably made the best SW content that has ever been made . He is an extension of Lucas , he lives SW. I am 100% sure he could have made a better story than this ……
Wat?
Filoni made better Star Wars than Lucas?
Really?
I mean he is better then everyone else. But his attachment to characters is a problem that he needs to correct if his storytelling is ever to improve
@@anon_laughing_man Rian Johnson also made better Star Wars than Lucas
@@anon_laughing_man he made Anakin better through the Clone Wars
See this just makes things even more dumb. If she didn't know that Vader was Anakin, that would have made sense both canonically, and also within the realm of the series. She could be fighting *FOR* Vader, thinking she's hunting down Anakin Skywalker, the person who murdered her friends. They could have told her a lie that Anakin was a Jedi who sought power, and the Empire stopped him and all of his evil murderous friends, the Jedi.
Then you could have Reva's murderous insanity mean something. Then you could have her find out somehow that Anakin is Vader. But have it be a slip-up by Kenobi where she overhears him, or he straight up tells her. Then the fight between good vs evil should have been her vs Kenobi, and then finally her vs Vader, where she buys time for Kenobi and Luke to get away unseen. Then Reva dies a more heroic death, at least partially redeeming herself, and Vader continues to search for Kenobi.
But they didn't do that. It's baffling because it's *RIGHT THERE.* It's money lying on the table, and they said "nah I'll just make my own out of human feces and cheap Chinese newspaper."
Okay, so, 'the Jedi can see the future!'... er, no, that's a JJ Abrams thing... made up explicitly to write Carrie Fisher out after she passed. "But, the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the Force!" The one the council tried to attribute to Anakin? Yeah, sure, they were only off by an entire generation. Sure, the Jedi can see the future.
Vader DID bring balance too the Force... He gave it a hard restart by eliminating the Jedi, and then killing the Sith... They were not wrong, they just didn't know how to read the prophecy right, due to the future always being in motion, Yoda even admits this in Revenge of the Sith...
Well its established lore that the jedi can see the future to some capacity. Hence why Annakin got visions of Padmes death at child birth, (what Annakin didnt realise was it was his turning to the dark side that caused the death of Padme in child birth) they can see the future, but only in small parts and in a what if scenario. Untrained force sensitives can see only a few seconds into the future, hence why they can have quicker than normal reflexes.
Sorry, devil’s advocate here.
Anakin’s premonitions served rather important plot significance for both Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Certainly, it shouldn’t be argued that every Jedi could do it, but it isn’t a plot device invented by Abrams.
Actually, Jedi seeing the future isn't a JJ Abrams thing, it was stated by Yoda in The Empire Strikes while training Luke, he states "Through the Force, things you will see, other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone."
Your reviews are the BEST!!! Thank you for sitting thru all this garbage so I don't have to.
If Disney had not de-canonized the EU, they would have had TONS of good content to draw on.
Well it’s not like they haven’t stolen EU stuff - just the bad bits 😂
They can and still do, but only bits and pieces to plug holes they made themselves
Is it just me or does this outline reflect very badly on the person of the writer? Neither his wishes nor his Obi-Wan seem remotely selfless or heroic.
No serious intent, no consistency, no willingness to work, no bravery, no self-sacrifice for those you love and value, even to the point of death...
...only cowardice, an uncaring inability to see through your commitments, and me, me, me, me, meeee!
I do hope if these people are ever rash enough to have children those poor buggers never have to rely on their parents for anything!
Agreed. They should not hire spineless soy based creatures to write hero characters. It's an interesting insight into the character of that author. I hope he never ends up in a position where someone else depends on him...
Thank you for you having the best take on this article. Some people are using this article to point out things they didn't like about the show, but you are the only one that is pointing out how much this article from author doesn't even make sense. In one paragraph he says, "They changed it all" and also says "I got a writing credit for 4 out 6 episodes because it was all from me." And the rest of the article is just as contradictory. They question is: why did this writer write this article? Why speak out about Reva and the budget and the CGI? Why talk about any of this? Beattie got the writers credit. He got the money. Why write this op-ed? Oh, because he feels guilty. He never says, "They ruined my writing". He has too much ego to say "my stuff was bad" and he is legally blocked from saying "what they wrote sucked" or "how they changed my work made it suck worse". But he needs to rationalize the guilt he feels so he writes this article. This article strikes me as the scenario when there has been a murder and there about 30 suspects in the room and the police says, "Well, I think we will rule this as an accident. Have a good night everyone," and then one person starts ranting for 20 minutes about how it wasn't them that murdered the person....even thought they don't have an alibi, their prints match the murder weapon and they have the best motive now that you think about it. We all know who the person was that murdered in this metaphor btw.
the thing is with writing credits, Im not sure how much of the original writing/idea has to be there to get a credit per the screenwriters guild. For instance Trevorrow gets a writing credit on the Rise of Palpatine, because they used just a few pieces of his original Eps IX script to seed the ideas for their version, but didnt copy/paste it in wholesale. But youd like to think this writer guy recognised when they were using his own work or not, but Im not entirely convinced based on his interview, he probably would.
@@awavey The credit isn't important. No one counted this guys credits. He told us in the article how many he got and why. Why would he do that? He isn't saying the show is great so I wrote it. He is saying the show is shit and they said I wrote it but I didn't but I did. That level of contradiction to a question no one asked can only come from guilt.
So his version makes it a bit better from the show that Reva didn't know Vader was Anakin. And he did at least have a reason for Reva to be in the story, so that Vader would stop looking for Obi Wan, even it seems like she would have been still overused. BUT surely Vader would have realized that she was lying about killing Kenobi? Re their "tiny" (lol) budget- the main reason it looked so cheap for me was the lack of aliens. I can't imagine that had to do with a lack of budget, because much cheaper shows like some of the Star Trek ones had lots of aliens on display.
We know how and why Obi Wan sacrificed himself. He had learned to become a force ghost, enabling him to show Luke, someone younger and in a better position to eventually take down the Empire, the power of the force and help guide him at pivotal moments. And he actually believed in something.
We don't need a below average Saturday morning cartoon in live action form to inform us of this.
What a great and obvious idea!! (This is not sarcasm, but may sound like it.) I'm surprised no one has said this before: Hire someone just to point out their SW mistakes and writing mistakes. Wish they would but I'm sure they are doing these mistakes on purpose.
Thank you sir👍
Kenobi is selfish? That is some garbage right there.
You are a precise instrument, and I love it
Enjoying you rants ...flame on
Spitting the truth. Thank you.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Reveals The TRUTH about the Star Wars TV Series
"It was shite."
It's clear that if they give Kenobi series where the original cast is back a tighter budget, it's that they don't have beleave in it, or they are just so shrew that they think they can pay Ewan McGregor's bigger cut and take it away from the production budget and everything will be fine. Both possibilities say they are incompetent (might be both suggestion at the same time). You don't waste an opportunity like this but make sure the series outline will be a bomb and designed for a series.... you don't stretch some random movie idea into a series, it won't work (especially if you don't add new side-plots but literally just stretch it with creating air).
You would think that such a huge company would make sure that this kinda production would have a solid budget and some certified writers to do the outline of the story and then when in production write the episodes rather than take some random guys bad script and be like: "Go and make a series out of this, we won't be paying you to write a solid story when we already bought this crap with pennies".
The writing at Disney feels not only like disempowerment - and emasculation - of legacy characters, but also the transfer of their valor (initiative, action and responsibility) to other characters that don't own it. Stolen valor. They are completely smashing the hero's journey's narrative, almost as if they wanted to create a collectivist narrative of deconstructed , mediocre and pathetic heroes who have almost no volition and whose good decisions can't be their own.
Doomcock had a conversation with a writer about stolen valor. you should watch it.
Btw. Is it me? Or are channels critical of Disney or “the message” have amped up UA-cam ads? It’s literally every other minute now!
PAIN, LOTS AND LOTS OF PAIN. -Alan Tudyk, a Knights Tale
There is very little that you can do between the sequels and the OT that won't spoil Lucas's story. Rebel's managed it, but only by keeping it to a very small addition. One that respected what came before and after it in the story.
It was a significant moment for Kenobi, and probably my favourite moment outside of the OT, one that added to the character, rather than rewrote him as someone completely different, like KK's awful series .
It might be twenty years, but Kenobi's story is done, there is no room to mess around. Any sort of series would probably be damaging, even if it had been handled by writers and producers with talent. KK and her omni-shambles were doomed to fail, given that they couldn't create a decent sequel trilogy in the infinite amount of time after the OT.
Hit the nail on the head with that last point mainly Disney since they got their own platform as churning out content for contents sake sake and relying on big name actors or characters to bring people in to setup the next show at the expense of quality. I've tried watching the films and tv shows particularly post End Game and I give up after one or two episodes and don't go cinema anymore as I'm just sitting there thinking this makes no sense logically and that I really don't care
I always understood that Obiwan sacrificed himself because he knew he couldn't get out and that he didn't want Luke to try and save him.
Pretty common practice, a movie will have a TV treatment or vs versa. Just trying to get something made and pay bills.
"weakness disgusts me."
- madara uchiha, 2022 -
Star Wars doesn't care about it's adult audience, so now that I am an adult, I no longer care about Star Wars. There is better stuff out there anyway, it's time for people to move on.
I completely agree that how Reva was written in the original script would have been better & made more sense than what we got.
Just what was Obi-Wan protecting LUKE from? Boredom? And how (aside from that trip to Alderaan on the Falcon ten old years later) was he "training" Luke? Hey, in episode 6 at least Obi-Wan gives Luke that spaceship model we see Luke playing with in ANH, because (somehow) that closes a loop.
If each episode played out as a new lesson and endeavor Obi-Wan had to over come on his path to self forgiveness and letting go; leading up his confrontation with Anikin it would have been perfect.
well if they do have a season 2 with obi wan going thru some kind of an issue to get him to the point where he wants to sacrifice himself for luke, it will be reva at his side kicking his butt to do it. Obi wan didn't need a reason to sacrifice himself, he already had one. when the children were born both he and yoda knew that anikin's offspring would be a threat to him ( the main reason they went to the trouble to splitting up the twins and putting them where the empire couldn't sense them). Obi wan watched over Luke all his life since birth and knew the important part he would play in the story. Even though Obi wan may of wanted to stay at Lukes side and train him more, he know that the sacrifice was needed and that being one with the force ( force ghost ) would make him stronger thus being able to help Luke to become the jedi he was destined to be in more ways than had he lived.
"My death has been foretold - I will die by not defending myself and closing my eyes during a duel." Yep, sounds like he actually did take too much stock in readings...
Oh gawd, the dancing versions of the characters they're going to come up with for the live stage shows and parades. Dancing Reva, Ben and Leia. ...no need for a little dancing Luke.
The season one finale of Disney+/Lucasfilm's Obi-Wan Kenobi drew a five-day Wednesday through Sunday audience of 1.8 million U.S. households, which is 20% higher than the Wednesday through Sunday five-day pull for The Book of Boba Fett finale, which clocked 1.5M U.S. households.
"Working out how to get from set piece to set piece". 2 inquisitors meet a Jedi facet to face but he escapes. How to make his escape believable... hmm. Lets say he drops down some piece of cloth barrier and runs away. Inquisitors are stumped by the impenetrable fabric and just stop the pursuit. Ok, good enough for Disney!
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0:00 Yes, yes ~&~............ *_YES!_* (These Dis-ney Execs & Writers are like the Barnyard Chickens running around _POST_ Hatchet work)
A kenobi movie or series that shows some of his darker side could have been good.
In the old movies he used his famous mind trick on the stormtroopers and he was quite deceptive in what he told luke.
He was more idealistic in the prequels and clone wars.
A story about a kenobi developing this manipulative side to protect the secret of luke skywalker could work. Might even involve some inquisitors and some vader cameos (but no rematch of kenobi and vader - thats just stupid)
Well, that explains the ending. If the writer only cares about instant emotional payoffs, that would explain the weird reversal of moral values of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Instead of switching from deontology to consequentialism or utilitarianism values, he just replaces "the greater good" with "my own emotions and values".
Why does he insist on starting the story in a position where most of its aspects were resolved in the movies? Obi-Wan was raised to be courageous, self-sacrificing and strong faith in the Force, and he has shown these values throughout the movies and animated series. He came to Tatooine with nothing but absurd faith that somehow Luke is the key to defeating thd Sith. His angst on the decision to kill Anakin was mostly resolved when blades crossed and he left him to burn on Mustafar. I am still waiting for the extraordinary evidence that, in the face of such qualities, Obi-Wan reneged his duties and abandoned the Force is a sensible thing.
Also, if Reva believed that Order 66 was an act of the good guys, then logically she supports collective punishment. She didn't consider how odd that younglings like her with no knowledge of the plot to overthrow the government should also be killed purely by their association with the Jedi? Well, that explains her going Sharia law on that woman in Episode 1.
The man who decides to dedicate his remaining life to protect Luke and train him is a selfish bastards who doesn't agree to sacrifice himself to save the universe and the kid he has/would been/be protecting, makes total sense and it is the most relatable thing in the world.
Obi Wan pre-meditating sacrificing himself in a new hope detracts from the impact moment when Obi Wan realises what he needs to do
Has anyone thought, after seeing the prequels, that Obi Wan wouldn't be ready to sacrifice himself for the cause? (the cause used to be important)
We didn't need all that spelled out so that there is no ambiguity or room for thought about what if, much less do we need Kenobi not be what we all know him as, since his early days, up until the end, he was already flawed enough ,but was able to always keep his stoicism, we don't need a little detour in his life where all his character gets cheapened for a quick buck
Yeah, I am done. None of this is cannon to me. Extended universe all the way.
The writers didn’t want to stand on the shoulders of giants, they wanted to dismantle everything before to create their own vision..