Shigura XT5 Build | ForestRockets
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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Please note that not all of the tools, steps and parts shown may not be combined. At least not officially. The conversion to "Shigura" on your own bike is done at your own risk.
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For anyone wondering I did mine last year with Royal Blood oil and its still going - no leaks, none of the sealing were damaged also
Its actually better to use Royal Blood. It seperates air bubbles better than shimano oil.
I would have preferred Magura Royal Blood because the brake caliper of the MT5 is a heat-loaded component and is of course designed for this oil. Absolutly great video, btw.
@@ForestRockets Regardless of what oil you use, you can use the "vacuum" technique, where you have fresh oil inside your syringe, you put your finger on the end of the syringe and pull the end to create a negative pressure inside the syringe. With the oil still in it, you might notice very, very tiny bubbles coming from seemingly nowhere inside the oil to the surface. You're now separating air trapped inside the oil :)
I did the shigura mods for mt5 with slx levers. Used shimano inserts and olives, also had to modify the contact point screws from the lever because i'm using magura discs which are a little bit thicker. So far these combos are the most powerfull brakes from what i've owned (had zees, codes , elixirs). Sincerly i don't know from where this braking power is comming, because i also changed the pads to magura performance. Anyways this is the cheapest way to solve the issue of lever bending from the Mt5 (50 euros for 2 slx levers).
I dig the song, what is it called?
Hi , good video, tnx. just few infos: Cable Magura 2.2 ? pin Shimano BH-90 or BH-59 ? Ciao
do you have a comparison to maguras modulation? i really like it and i"m worried that if i would put a shimano levers i would lose most of the modulation
thats a cool hose cutting tool
I have an mt7 and The breakline is really short due to the new internal routing of the frame, can I use shimano brake line? (Shimano banjo) magura fittings in the lever and magura caliper? Basically I wiuld just use a shimano breakline
Hi there! I have the old mt3 Magura calipers paired with my stock Tektro levers (the calipers were given to me). I was wondering if should I match it with the Deore m6100 levers or should I go for the SLX m7100?
Do correct me if I'm wrong. You used the stock cables from the Magura and changed the end fittings to match the Shimano levers, right? Just making sure because I want to pursue this setup.
Also, have you tried using Shimano mineral oil?
TIA!
Did you use a Shimano insert or a Magura insert for the lever?
It looks like shimano? trying to figure this out too lol
It's hose and insert pin and olive is Shimano. So everything is Shimano except for the calipers.
@@ForestRockets i've ordered a set of mt5's and they're already filled and bled. i'm assuming the mineral oil should be removed from the calipers first prior to installation? would the shimano banjo fittings be compatible to magura mt5?
No you can bleed the whole Shigura System with Magura Royal Blood after Installation. If you already have a complete MT5 Set I would use the Magura Hoses and just Insert a Shimano Pin an Olive to the Lever Side.
@@ForestRockets while shimano/magura have identical outer diameters, I think using their own inserts to pair with their hose is the best way to avoid leaking at the levers. i've seen some comments on other shigura videos that shimano inserts are made for an inner diameter hose of 2.1mm while inner diameter of a magura hose is 2.3mm. So far how are the brakes running are there any known issues?
Moin, wieder mal ein bild-video..
Sehr schön!
Ich hab letztens erst den Umbau mit MT5 und SLX-Hebel gemacht - funktioniert gut.
Nur hinten kommt die MT5 erst auf den letzten Drücker, evtl muss ich da noch paar Tropfen Öl nachfüllen.
Für Nachmacher:
Punkt 1:
Die alten Bremsen gehören nicht einfach so in den Hausmüll. Die sollten wenn, dann zerlegt und das Öl und Kunststoff separat entsorgt werden.
Punkt 2:
Die Magura-Bremsen sind ja leider keine Lieblinge beim Entlüften. Das kann Shimano wesentlich besser.
Ich musste bei mir 2 - 3 mal entlüften bis die Bremse funktioniert hat. Und so wie es im Video dargestellt ist sollte man es auch nicht machen. Zum einen hat der Proband im Sattel immer noch Luft weil der hintere Bremskolben höher ist und sich ein Luftpolster versteckt. Zum anderen sollten die Bremsbeläge raus genommen werden weil einerseits kein Öl auf die Beläge etc kommen soll und die Kolben zurück gedrückt werden sollen um ein Überfüllten zu vermeiden.
Nur mal so.. 😉
Weitermachen Kameraden!
Shigura still working for you?
Planning on running the same setup on my bikes...
Still runs fine no major Problems to this state now
Hi, thanks for the upload!
I understand that you should either use shimano hose w/shimano olive & bolt or magura hose w/ magura olive & bolt.
But what about the connector on the hose (caliper end): does a shimano connector (on the shimano hose end) fit on the magura caliper? Cheers!
*Edit: saw your comment about the "banjo hose fitting" below too late mate. :)
Yeah you can totally just exchange the caliper with the Magura one. The only thing that you should check is if the O-rings are intact to prevent leakage
@@ForestRockets Yeah that's a good idea. Thanks man!
I have magura hose and i dont know if i can use magura pin with Shimano olive and Bolt , or i have to change the hose for a Shimano one
If you use Magura hose you need to use Magura pin and olive. At least that's what was told to me. And it makes sense, because magura hose has a slightly bigger diameter.
Will It work if i use magura mt trail sport brakes with Shimano slx levers , magura pin , magura hose , Shimano olive and Shimano lever Bolt ?
I don't think so. Magura hose has a slightly bigger diameter I think. So you won't be able to get the olive on the hose.
Hi late reply but the Magura hose should be used with the magura caliper as Banjos are different sizes,
You then use the shimano olive , nut and bh59 barb brass one which is 2.3mm NOT the bh90 barb silver one which is 2.1mm The 2.3mm bh59 fit lovely in the magura hose
The Magura hose is 2.2mm but the end of the magura barb is to long for the shimano levers as less nut gets threaded in the levers
for a note both shimano and magura hoses have the same external diameter .
Again sorry for the late reply you have probably sorted it already but thought it was worth a mention for any one else .
Did you already have the magura calipers on hand or did you need to buy them? If you bought them, did you get just the calipers and hoses or the levers too?
I got the calipers for very little money used on ebay. So I bought the levers and hoses new. All in one I payed about 140€.
Forest Rockets thank you! I was wondering because I couldn’t find any with just the calipers. I didn’t think to look at eBay. Are they still working well?
Yes, still fine. They are making some screaking noises, but that's a normal magura thing.
@@ForestRockets thx
I’ve been mulling the idea of doing this. I currently have XT 8120 brakes. So if I understand this correctly all I would need is Magura calipers and rotors? Would this work with Shimano mineral oil, or would I need to drain the system and refill with Royal blood?
You can eather use Shimano or Magura oil. There is no big difference. Same goes for the rotors. Magura rotors are 0.2mm thicker than Shimano. So in theory they have an earlier breaking point.
@@ForestRockets thank you 👊🏽
You can even use baby oil according to this feller :D
ua-cam.com/video/63VIuPiX3CA/v-deo.html
is this suitable for downhill? I've heard the MT7 and MT5 calipers are the same
They are very similar. I guess they will take it.
@@ForestRockets they are not the same
@@tobiaszurcher8066 Can you post a link or some details about the differwnce between Mt5/7 calippers?
I got the MT5s and don't like the sponginess of the levers and plan to switch them out and use my old Shimano MT200 levers. If I already have the Magura hose running internally should I just use that or use the Shimano line feom.my MT200s. I see a lot of people use the Shimano line. What adaptor should I use to connect the Shimano line to the MT5 caliper. Cant find it :( . I found one for a Jagwire line but no Shimano/Magura.
Sorry for the late answer, hope its not too late or you've already found the answer.
Anyway, you can use the Magura hose with the MT200. Then you need to use the Magura olive and insertpin too.
You can also use Shimano hose, but if it is not the one with so called "banjo" end you need some kind of adapters like you've already mentioned. So, I think you should go with the Magura hose thats already installed to your calipers.
@@ForestRockets No worries. Yes, I was able to get it figured out and the Shiguras feel awesome.
Did you try simply switching to hc or hc3 levers first? My Maguras never feel spongy. They bite solid like a rock. You just gotta know all the tricks: ua-cam.com/video/Bl8PChRadX0/v-deo.html
@@dukeofmtb I didn't but used the MT200 Shimano levers and they work awesome. Everyone who has tested my bike likes the feel and bite on the MT5s. I used the Shimano line and just converted the ends.
@@pepsnex That's great. MT200 levers are a great choice. It's the servowave levers that suck. If it works, no need to fix it. I wouldn't switch back from those unless you were to try the hc3 lever blades. All the other Magura lever blades suck in comparison. I'd love to give that combo a try some day.
Shimano Mineral or Royal Blood is okey?
You can use baby oil if you want. It doesn´t matter as long as it´s mineral oil. I´ve had royal blood as well as shimano in mine. Just... don´t use baby oil unless you absolutely have to ;-)
cool aber warum genau macht man shigura also was ist der Vorteil davon? LG
Ist zum Teil persönlicher Geschmack z.B. früherer Druckpunkt aber auch einfach mehr Bremspower im vergleich zu den 4 Kolben XTs. Man könnte auch komplett Magura nehmen aber da ist der Hebel eben nicht so geil und so hat man das beste aus beiden Welten
hi, I'm from chile, great job with this mechanic tip, but i got a few question's to do.
how mineral oil can be use it in both brands, knowing the mineral oil are diferent.
magura use BLUE royal mineral oil and shimano use mineral oil.
do you compare both label and study the heating point?
i ask this beacuse i'm getting started with the same proyect thing that you do.
i'm so exhausted from use sram brakes, and your video iluminated me to do that.
and for another question, where do you get it the information??
i hope you can answer mis questions.
bless
It doesn´t matter what mineral oil you use. You could even mix them if you had to.
@@bikesnblades6737
Hello, do you have any reference that supports what you are saying? It is not that I distrust, but today it is preferable to have some information as a backup, especially because in terms of brakes, this issue is somewhat delicate.
Having run a mixture in mine for about two years now.
Also, it's mineral oil. What could happen? Worst case the seals swell up from some additive, but people have been doing it forever and there haven't been any problems. It's not like Magura or Shimano reinvented the wheel when it comes to their hydraulic fluid. It's a bicycle brake, not a space shuttle 😉
As far as the thermal capacity of the oil goes, it can't be that different. Or do you really believe Shimano would use a oil that is vastly inferior to magura, or vice versa? And even if so, it's obviously enough not to massively overheat and therefore good enough for use in another brake. The brakes are also not world's apart in terms of heat management.
I get being careful, but this is basically sweating over which battery is better suited for your flashlight rather than using gasoline instead of diesel in your diesel engine.
You could even use baby oil, as showcased by Seth of formerly Seth's bike hacks and now berm peak UA-cam channel.
@@bikesnblades6737 Thank you very much dude, I want to try to make this project as painstaking as possible, and there really is a lot to learn. Thank you for your time and answer my questions.
Is the xt of the Xtr better for shigura
And which do you use ?
is this the shimano xt m8000 lever?
Yes it is
I tried this for a while, but the wandering bite point of Shimano levers drove me nuts. I also didn't like all the lever throw. I went with the mt7/hc3 lever combo and it's waaay better than Shigura. Not even close. Especially once you know the trick to a perfect bleed. It's actually easier than the Shimano funnel trick. Here's the trick to a perfect bleed and perfect lever feel on Magura brakes: ua-cam.com/video/Bl8PChRadX0/v-deo.html
This is on my hardtail with just the hc levers, but it applies to all Magura brakes.
I have XT now and have always been but I notice on all of my Shimano XT M8000 that everytime the elevation changes or or long descend, the bite point changes. I still have brakes without fading but the bite point is very inconsistent! Just wondering if Shigura XT5 bite point stays consistent no matter the elevation change. Please advise. Thanks!
I have no direct comparison to the XT calipers. Only to the zee on my dh bike. It feels like the xt5 are more stabil. But my zees are about 5 years old now. Anyway I am thinking about changing the calipers to maguras too.
I tried Shigura. It still had the inconsistent bite point. It's an issue in the Shimano levers. Just get the hc3 levers. They're amazing. Plus Maguras are way easier to bleed with their own master cylinder. Easier than the Shimano funnel method even. I get a perfect bleed and lever feel every time by doing this after trimming the hoses or doing a fresh flush: ua-cam.com/video/Bl8PChRadX0/v-deo.html
@@dukeofmtb I think the inconsistent bite point comes from the mineral oil, not the master cylinder... But not sure, didn't have the problem yet... That's just what I've read multiple times
@@josephsohler3791 Do you run your levers far or close to the grip? It's seems more noticeable when the lever is set up to bite very close to the bar.
@@dukeofmtb oh okay... I run them pretty neutral I'd say... But I'll try out the different oil I talked about as it gets colder to see whether there will be a changing bite point or not
Hi, great video mate, which barbs and olives did you use? I can find very little info on which is best, some saying shimano some saying Magura, a reply would really be appreciated, thanks
I've used magura hoses with shimano olive and pin... Works perfectly fine
Schönes Video geworden. ;)
What hose type did you use, im going to be trying this very soon!
@Christian Dominguez u can use the normal magura hose that comes with the calipers. I built myself an xt7 with the older m8000 levers and it feels and works perfectly for now 5 months. Make sure you get yourself the right olive for the m8000 lever and you should be good to go. (when I bought the levers they came without an olive ond this little bolt and I run everything with royal blood)
Hope this helps in some way:)
You can use both. But magura hose needs a magura olive and insert pin. Shimano needs shimano pin and olive
@@ForestRockets do you know if im just replacing the shimano caliper with a magura caliper, if the end connection will fit on a magura
@@ForestRockets or do i just repalce the hose with a magura hose and get olives?
Exactly. If the end of your hose fits to the caliper, just go for it
For what kind of reason somebody should do this stuff? Why needing a fu... mix mass on the bike? Just for saying I´m the specialguy which needs all parts of the catalog.......
Whats the problem with that? Of course I could also just ride the stock XT‘s or the Maguras or Sram or every other sort of Stuff. But it maybe doesn’t fit my prefered likings for brake feel or riding style. I for my own really like the XT Levers but with the Stock Calipers the overall Brake Power is a little bit weak so I fitted the Magura Calipers on there to get more brake power and a early braking point in the lever wich really fits my likings. I mean you could also ride a just like you bought it but you can also get your preferred parts together and build your own isn’t that what individualization is for? To create something what perfectly fits me, this of course doesn’t need to fit somebody else but thats ok because I build it for myself and not for somebody else.
@@ForestRockets I would understand when using this mix if you have some Shimano Shifters due to have a good fitting pair in the cockpit. But if I ride SRAM then there is Magura as alternative with a good fitting in the cockpit the Shimano Levers and SRAM Shifters don´t fit really good together. The price of the XT Levers is not much cheaper than good Magura Levers. Everybody has to find his/her own style just wondering why somebody would mix stuff which don´t fit perfectly together........ Anyway ride safe stay healthy
@@nix_gutes6433 There is no such thing as good Magura levers
2024 anyone?
Im about do this, mt5 with slx m675 levers
@@mikethomas6051 i recently got myself the mt5 pro set, so far been using the normal levers and it feels great honestly cant complain
Es gibt auch nichts was ihr nicht drucken könnt :D
Nein, gibt's tatsächlich nicht :D
Yah throw the sram in the garbage signed nick