Are these the most powerful brakes in the world?
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Are Shi-gura brakes more powerful than the Trickstuff Maxima brakes? The internet seems to think so! Let's find out!
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It's not modulation the thing you didn't like, it's actually brake power. Those brakes had too much power for you. If the brakes didn't have modulation you would have no way to slow down without skidding. To make them less prone to overbrake without changing brakes, I would have just put smaller rotors or changed the pad compound. But Shigura is def a better value proposition.
Here, I thought sarcasm was only lost on dogs and little kids....
@@kevinstevenson7389 Hey Kevin, I didn't catch the fact that he meant it ironically. Probably a lot of people didn't either since my comment got a few upvotes. Watching it again, I'm pretty sure he meant it seriously but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the snark though.
Some people prefer the on/off feeling instead of modulation
@@alexisonbike3652 I agree. I'm more in the Shimano camp, I like that instant feel. But the problem he had was the opposite. He panic braked and sent too much braking power to the wheels. If anything he's missing MORE modulation.
I agree. I had to downsize my front rotors to 180 on my Enduro for this reason
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No, you didn't "experience brake modulation", you simply pulled the lever too hard and had your center of gravity in the wrong place for the given time. Brake modulation doesn't mean the relative increase in force that the pistons push out at as you pull the lever further in. The modulation means how much "squish" there is that can be controlled before the wheel locks. And for the rider, brake modulation means the physical ability to be precise with the brakes and being able to control the braking force with your fingers, instead of locking the wheels every time you brake.
Someone understands
This guy gets it.
With the right body position you are never going otb from brakes alone with modern geo. Your wheel will lock up and slide well before you flip.
THANK YOU i thought i was alone!
@@brianharris4144 exactly, i can lean back and slam front and back brakes and just slide without going OTB
dude u are speaking fax
The harder you pull the lever the more braking power you get is exactly how brakes are supposed to work....
Not necessarily
@@aaroncampbell1617 but thats how it works doe
@@aaroncampbell1617 please enlighten me then.
@@aaroncampbell1617 oh my sweet summer child...
@@curtislavoie2242 You can pull the lever harder with no movement or you can have more movement supplying the increase in force that the pads deliver. If you get neither of these then you have no modulation. That's the on/off that people have mentioned here.
man i love yo videos, even if youre a small youtuber, you still give in one of top tier content, like you explaining stuff feels rlly easy to understand and it feels relaxing
That's the proper way to naturally grow subscription, in my view!
Nice video. Shigura for the win. Have this setup on 2 of my rigs, (one two pot setup and one four pot setup). I use 9210s on my 4 pots because servowave ftw. It doesn't really matter which calipers you use (get the cheapest ones!), and it doesn't matter which brake fluid or lines you use. Highly recommend bleeding using a syringe on the top side and back-bleeding through the magura calipers for best results. Also, don't connect the caliper to the frame until the bleed is complete so you can get the air pocket that likes to get stuck in there.
Do you mean you can use any magura calipers for this and would work as well? Im curious to try but the price sets me off )
@@PanaehaliTut technically yes
@@PanaehaliTut
Just buy a set of mt5s + m8120 xt levers and sell the unused new mt5 levers.
@@PanaehaliTut You can try MT5 and Deore Lever, too. Does work well if im not mistaken and isn't pricey at all if you compare it. But after a while of riding Shigura, I actually have to say that I like the feel of the MT5 and the 1 finger lever and the feel of the MT7 with the standard lever a bit better. But both is really good.
@@PanaehaliTut I have tried two pot Shimano levers with two pot magura calipers and found them to be massively more powerful than Shimano calipers. Same for 4 pots. Not sure about crossing 4 pot calipers with 2 pot levers but the author of this fine video seems to prefer this setup.
I had the exact same shigura setup, broke a lever and switched back to full magura, used steel braided brake hoses and adjustable Oak root-lever pros... it's a little more expensive, but I like that setup the most so far. You can set it up to have full brake power in like 3mm of lever travel.
I think it’s funny how a little over a year ago he was a first time mountain biker and now he has one of the nicest bikes on the platform.
Haha it is funny. The trail I was riding in the video was the first trail system that I rode too and it's definitely not as fun with such a fancy bike
He's waaay overbiked
That’s all he does, his parts surpassed his ability to ride…He could probably get away with a Walmart bike and tunes up🥴💀
I made a set of "sramano" brakes. I used Shimano BL-M6100 levers and a set of sram DB8 calipers. Wicked powerful and cheap ! Mix and match for the win! If you have these parts ( any shimano levers will do).
Are they better than pure Shimano, SRAM, Shigura or just an experiment?
I bought a set of Magura Mt5 trail sport . The front brake is 4 piston, the rear 2 pistons. Rolled back in 2021, without mountains and steep descents. Regularly serviced, pumped with the original liquid. This year, on the front brake of 4 pistons, one began to climb out more than the others. and pressed the rotor with a skew to the brake housing. I cleaned the pistons, lubricated them, pumped them again-nothing helped-as the pads worked crookedly, it didn't get any better.
Rear brake: the pistons come out unevenly - one goes further, and the other lags behind. One pad rubs on the disk, the second is fine. Cleaned, oiled, enough for a few stops, then again one shoe came out.
I concluded for myself that all these games with Magura, Formula and others are useless. Shimano works without problems. brakes perfectly, informative. There are no problems with pumping, pads on Aliexpress can be found without problems, as well as spare parts for the brake itself. Why these experiments with crooked brakes?
I'm late to the party but which rotors were you using? Magura calipers need 2mm rotors.
@@1234Hankers The rotors are Shimano from the Dior series. Do you think the difference of 0.2 mm will greatly affect something? No.
El invento es para tener más modulación de frenada....dependerá del terreno que te muevas y de tus gustos....yo prefiero un freno progresivo en terrenos con pendiente y tierra suelta.....este invento suele hacerse cuando compras una bici y te viene con mt5 y solo tienes que poner manetas xt'aliexpress original'2 manetas 80 euros...así si interesa....si no prefiero formula cura 4 o Lewis lht
Magura makes a model called the mt thirty for $96, which has the same caliper as the mt7. Not only that but it comes with the performance pads. Best value for upgrading your 2 pot shimanos imo.
I have the MT Thirty and they are very solid
@@robertobravi5426 this man knows what's up
Adam you made the video with your comment (again!) I feel like you've given me so many great ideas for the channel, so thank you very much dude. As for the caliper, I wanted that gun metal grey to match the XTR 😍
@@EvansMTBSaga of course, glad to be of service! The gray with thr xtr lever and mt7 caliper looks sick!
I had to like your post and give you a comment. I have the MT Thrity's on one of my bikes with 180 mm rotors front and rear. Love them. I don't think a lot of people know about them since they are not listed on Magura's website. Boy do they work like crazy though.. Adding a good Shimano lever to them would only make them better and save some $$$, which is a great thing right now.
Excellent video. Love how the ad doesn't interrupt the content using PIP. Great 80s electronic music. I too run Shigura but to a lesser extent of Frankensteinism (Deore XT brake levers/calipers with Magura Storm SL.2 rotors.
That's just Shimano with Magura rotors. Shigura is literally only when you connect Magura brake caliper with Shimano master cylinder.
Brake modulation means you have more control of the braking power, pulling lightly will give weak braking, pulling hard will give hard braking, a braking system with good modulation is what most riders are looking for although there are some riders who prefer a harder bite with less modulation like the Shimano XT brakes
Modulation is where it's at. I don't see the benefit of having an on off brake switch.
Yes and servowave is the opposite of modulation. Its entire purpose is to quickly ramp up power.
@@BuildTheSandbox beats the heck out of me lol, maybe weak fingers? the biggest problem with grabby brakes is its too easy to lock the front wheel if you decide to use any front brake while cornering which always results in a crash, bad recipe for novice riders
@@tylerbruce5731 no that's still modulation. Just a mechanical assist.
@@MTBfixHQ yep. More modulation equals less lockups. Unless you have your brakes sooo weak you can't lock em up. Which technically means you're underbraked
that had to have been the hardest "keep your face straight for an ad" i've ever seen well done.
😂
Leverage curve and curve in the lever are not the same concept. A leverage curve is in reference the force, depicted by an x/y graph. A curve in the lever is a bend in the piece of metal. I have a similar setup on the way but using saint levers (edited because I misspelled depicted)
While I love your content, I’m a bit confused at your overall objective on this one.
You said that in a panic braking scenario, you almost went OTB, so you opted OUT of modulating brakes. The alternative to brake modulation would be an on/off switch, correct? Basically, a light switch vs a dimmer switch.
In your case, it doesn’t seem like less modulation should be the solution to your problem. You, or somebody else can explain if I am missing something here, but this seems like the wrong solution.
It's hard to describe feel. But with the Trickstuff brakes, I never really had to pull the brakes that hard before then, so I didn't know the power they truly had. With my new set up, the power is there right away and I feel like I can control it better
@@EvansMTBSaga ok, so you would say that this new setup feels more predictable then? In that sense, I totally get it.
@@jtrider3779 Yes absolutely. Glad we could work through that haha. Its hard covering all the right things to say in a video sometimes.
@@EvansMTBSaga I gotcha, no worries man! Thanks for the reply and clarification though!
Keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re becoming a favorite MTB UA-camr among a lot of us.
@@EvansMTBSaga try hope tech brakes
nice video man, seeing it from brazil and i want to se more crazy things like these
Man, I love this video. Doing the Frankenstein/experimental stuff is SUPER interesting. Evan, you need to consider this as a regular/semi-regular series. I'm a bike tinkerer and always trying stuff out, the internet is often a place where people share opinions as fact with no real basis in actual facts. I've got so many ideas of things like this that I would like to try!
Shigura isn’t a very niche thing
@@byp4ss514 It isn't, but it is a Frankenstein set-up.The reality is that there are more opinions on the internet than actual lived experience with things like this, so it's good to watch someone do it with such quality and entertainment.
Man i love the new camera set up on the bike! Keep it up man I remember when you were at 7k subscribers and now your at almost 50k. So proud man, keep going! 👍
Mixing Shimano levers and Magura calipers is actually so 2000-s. I remember times when Magura Marta SL levers used to start leaking after some time and Shimano levers were quite bombproof and at first was experimenting just for fun. And it really worked. The modulation and braking power was totally something else.
Ive been running shiguras for like 5 years now. Still havent found anything to make me want to swap away from it. MT5 calipers, XT non servo levers, and MTX braking gold pads. cant beat it. I bought the XT levers as used take offs, and I got the calipers used off pinkbike. All in im in it like a few hundred bucks
LOL, on Wednesday I was looking for parts to upgrade my brakes (2022 Polygon Siskiu T8). I thought "I wonder if Evans has a preferred since we ride a lot of the same stuff" (I live very close to you). I tried to find a way to contact you directly, but did not see a easy way and with Seths recent video about all the questions he gets I decided to just go for broke and order some stuff on my own. I just installed new brakes on my bike 2 hours before posting this. I seated the brakes in the driveway, loaded up my bike for a Prescott ride in the morning, and sat down to drink a beer before bed. I turn on my computer and what comes up....... LOL, really. Oh well.... now lets watch the vid.
Shoot me an email man, I'm down for a new riding partner evansmtbsaga@gmail.com
Great vid as always, thank you. Gotta say that is a bit more then I am willing to spend on brakes, but still great information.
Playing ads during the labor montage is genius. Let's us keep enjoying the video while also forcing the ad on us haha
Thank you for the way you did the sponsor message. Loved the way you worked on the other half of the screen! 🤘
i like that the content didn't stop for the plug ... side by side was amazing !!
hi Evans.
im from chile, and i writting you to talk about particulary from this video.
to have some answer, to left clear obviously.
in fact, you got points with the bleeding using with bionol.
but the use off that shimano XTR lever are for recreational use, because that handle you used is very light, and again i give you points for do this kind of video, for those don't know this kind of brakes.
but for other riders, make this combination requir more than a a few bucks to buying this things.
for other side, but for those riders who do enduro or Trail, and prefeer more brake power ...
the Magura MT5 Caliper, and shimano ZEE Lever , Deore, SLX levers are the exact lever to use it.
for who do Enduro and downhill, Magura MT7 with Shimano Saint Levers are the key,
both are made to resist elevate presure. so much the brake caliper like the brake lever.
other thing to have clear, i don't recomend the magura hose... personally i choose use Shimano hose, cause
the shimano hose are more stronger in case off impact o fall.
all of this using Magura Discs, Magura MDR-C or the MDR-P both for E-bikes.
if someone want's to use MT7 and Deore XT to combine, must have the aluminum pump for taht lever,
because the Deore XT lever filters oil, by pressing it, the preasure made in the brake chamber (i have that problem).
but evans let me tell you that it is a great video, also you took weight off the bike, which makes it faster when going down the trails.
and sorry, my english is not so fluent... google helped me LOL
In my experience with shigura they were more powerful than shimano saints and hope v4/e4. The magura calliper improved modulation and they felt less on off. Also cheaper to set up than it would be to buy a set of 4 pot xts, after selling the magura levers.
he said he didn't like the modulation tho?
@@rareshamburda8120 well in my experience the shigura set up has great modulation and you can actually feather the brakes. Much prefer them over TRP g spec, hopes etc
modulation s*cks. when you're a type of rider that dont want to hold the lever all the time.
cause it a little delay when you sudden brake.
@@ancogbernard I need modulation if I'm riding wet techy steeps.
Watching these vids always reminds me how blessed I am to have a place like TN to ride
I'll visit there soon! I live in Bentonville now.
@@EvansMTBSaga I bet you’re loving it compared to riding in the desert
it might be just on me but i've blown up 2 xt brake levers on my set. I switched to zee levers and its working perfectly for half the price of the xt levers. Its just some personal experience
Might try this, thanks!
Nice..I also mix my cheap zoom brake caliper with tektro lever and the result is amazing...more powerful stopping power..
Very cool bike hack! I didn't know about that
Man I have been watching you’re vids for a while and you have improved to making some of the best quality films I have seen in a while. I love you’re honesty and experiments, keep up the great work.
I've been running MT5 callipers and Deore levers for a few years on my dh bike and they are awesome. I put Saint's on my ebike last July and the pistons have failed on them already so the calipers will be getting swapped for Magura's.
Which Deore levers you have? M6100?
evan channel is grown like crazy man gj
Thanks dude!
Great video Evans. I love the tool you use to push the inserts into the hose or to cut it. Do you have any link to it? Thanks Thiago.
I’d like to know too
I have shamino brakes and they are crazy good for me. I bike everywhere and when I go down a black hill when it’s super dry and sometimes wet and shamino brakes work crazy good if u have a downhill bike or if u bike downhill, cross country and every thing els I recommend these brakes if u live in a country where there are steep hils
I don't know where you buy parts but all the shops i buy from sell levers and calipers separately. It costs 320-350€ for two levers and calipers.
On my Xtrada 6 I only kept the stock calipers and upgraded my levers and I can feel a very big difference (I can do endos with only 1 finger even with a 160mm rotor)
what are the stock calps and what did you upgrade levers?
@@mudkayak6305 i used stock calipers with upgraded levers on my xtrada 6 and work like a charm watch this video
ua-cam.com/video/rK0xOTkBPmQ/v-deo.html
For my Shigura I used brake levers Shimano Zee, Magura MT5-eStop calipers, special pads with KEVLAR and biggest Magura MDR-P rotors 220 front / 203 back. Reducing speed with KEVLAR pads is safer. The original pads also stop, but with them the chance of blocking the rear wheel is much higher.
Yeah I already want different pads! The stock ones make bad noises haha
@@EvansMTBSaga I'm using DBP-65E pads on my MT5-eStop calipers. For MT7 you may be need DBP-60E pads. And yes - with the new pads the noise also decreases.
I'm a huge fan of the on-off feel of Shimano too!
Yep. Panic breaking is deadly. First set of 4 pots, caused me to lock up the front several times. I’m still at risk when instinct takes over.
Finally someone who found the way to keep me watching an ad.
Haha glad I figured it out! I've tried a bunch of different ways
This is the best review for shigura so far.
Massive fan of your videdos! Keep up the good work!
Great way to share the sponsorship for the video
Thanks man! I like it too
It worth it! I use shigura for extreme freeride and DH 🤷🏻♂️ MT7 and SLX with Flo motrsport levers🤔 it's just perfect for me!
I love the Flo levers. They won't work on the XTR 9100 though 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga that's so sad😭 I love them too and by the way, thank you, I discovered them by your videos!
as a fellow magura sponsor, i approve of this message.
Good job Evan's getting sponsors, he's spent like $2000 on brakes in one month!
I'm going to put sragura on my build bike. I like the modulation feel of sram lever and easy pad replacement of the magura caliper. I just dont like the magura's lack of serviceability to replace the caliper.
dont forget to replace the seals that play nice with mineral oil in the levers
I like your channel so much that I subscribed after two videos
Shiguras came about because so many folk were breaking Magura levers and new Shimano one's were cheaper and available.
I believe a lot of the problems with levers are sorted now.
I know folk that have been running them for years and love them .
idk, they're still making them out of plastic, for the most part at least
Nice video. You actually like modulation and dislike mechanical servo advantage. I know what you were trying to say though.
I am driving shigura for a season and they are the best. I used MT5 I bough for 90eur each, I didnt like the 2 finger levers so i changed them for shimano SLX brake levers a bought for ca 35each, Total Cost 250Eur , Shigura for maximum braking POWER
Shimano lever, magura caliper, trickstuff fluid, sram rotor! I like it!
You did yourself a disservice by not just running the Magura MT7 master/levers. They're brilliant. You would have been perfectly happy with them.
Brake modulation is the way to go. I don't always need the same amount of stopping power so being able to control it is best for me.
You know you live somewhere too hot when Vegas in the summer is where you cool off.
the easiest and cheapest way to get that on off feal is to just get a set of magura mt7 with the hc3 lever blades and set them the most towards the grabby setting and then slowly back off to get the modulation you want from the brakes. that is what I did and I have never felt any better feeling brakes.
Nice video. Did it on my bike after having master cylinder seals issues on my MT7s due to crashes. Bought a pair of XT 8120 levers and never looked back. Amazing feeling and enough power to stop my fat ass.
Love the longer riding segment
I run a saint lever and calliper up the front and a saint lever and Magura mt5 calliper on the rear, the saint comes on harder with not much effort and the Shagura offers more control through the bite point to assist with front break when needed. I could ride saint on the back also but I quite enjoi the feeling of the setup and seems to hold more logic for me having a powerful brake up the front and one to assist on the rear, most people burn their brakes because they don't realise that the back brake is for assistance and your main power comes from the front.
Could have just switched to a smaller rear rotor
The rear rotor gives less power and heats up faster, I use 220mm Galfer rotors after swapping form Magura MDRP and I like them a bit more, the magura's were great but got loud after a season due to the rivets.@@or-ian6973
“Man this will give me some confidence”
*proceeds to ride a small easy incline
I have SRAM guide 4 pot on front and level 2 pot on rear with level ultimate levers on trail bike, enduro is guide ultimate front and rear. Both with Brembro dot 5 fluid from my race car with a boiling point if over 650 in each. Never had any issues with either and the modulate just fine even when it has been over 95f this whole week of riding.
Never heard of this till now, but I have used Shimano Brakes and Magura rotors before. Works good 👍🏻
This guy should have way more attention!
I am also running a ShiGura brakes on my bike after braking 2 Magura lever. Immediately I feel the braking power improved drastically.
i did this too, both my maruga levers broke in the first year. so i put deore xt levers on it felt great
Thinking about doing this setup on my e bike
best price combo is the Shimano Zee levers with the MT5 Calipers. Zee is the same power as the saint and the MT 5 calipers are the same as the MT 7s. You can get a realy powerful set of brakes for a small price.
I used slx levers with mt 7 calipers and i love it. Only would recommend xt levers but slx is ok
why would you choose xt over slx?
Recently I found this UA-camr love ur context bro v interesting 👍
I think you have Servowave misunderstood, it doesn't have anything to do with the lever, and it also doesn't multiply the braking force. It's simply a roller "wheel" that pushes the piston in the master cylinder, which alters the speed and leverage of the pistons throughout the travel of the lever relative to it, instead of the lever just pushing the piston directly like on non-SW levers.
I essentially copied the description of Servowave on the Shimano website (it was a very poor description I thought). I saw it makes the lever feel lighter off the top which is cool 😎
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for the nice reply, some people might've gotten mad because I kind of corrected you. The video was nice though.
This is done frequently in Denmark. They are using the Shimano cables. Why? The internal diameter of the Shimano is smaller, and more suited to the smaller Shimano reservoir. Also means easier bleeding.
I really don’t understand why people think Shimano breaks don’t have modulation… I have XT8100 and can precisely control my stopping power.
Those magura caliburs are beautiful
But for bleeding them you need a frankenstein kit also ?
all the setoff the prev and setup the new ones, thank you sir for all the time you spent on this videos.
A amazing brake set up is a mt5 with the aluminum lever swap and a set of 4 pad from mtx. Some of the best/strongest brakes right at 400$ all in
Not, they have very bad design of handles, piston leak everytime
@@davidvucina732 oh I’ve had amazing luck for years with this set up
New Video Series Idea: Chinese Carbon Bike build.
There are tons of chinese carbon bike frames on places like Alibaba and ebay that claim to be the same quality and use the same testing standards as brand name carbon frames. You should get one of those frames (a common brand I see is BXT) and build it up so you can compare it to name brand frames.
Some people have already done videos similar to this, but none with as high quality of editing and detail as your videos. That would be a series I'd be really excited about.
I've wanted to do something like that for a while, but I have a hard time finding a frame with modern geometry with a HTA 65-67
@@EvansMTBSaga I'll be on the lookout for one ;)
One time saw these brakes on a friend dh bike and I thanked that he had done that just to be cheaper but now I know that isn't the case
I think it could be under $300 with a different lower models
there is some tip - put 180 rotors for instant increase in stopping power around 20%
Those hose covers look sweet. Keep them.
True bikers dont skip half the part of the video
Nice! I’ve been interested in trying my xt levers with saint calipers.
With saint compared to XT the major difference is in the lever. The calliper is slightly larger, meaning more heat dissipation but the lever pushes significantly more fluid with more power. You would be better off simply getting a saint brakeset or doing a shigura setup like the one in the video.
Whats your nice brake hose cutter and barb setter tool, looks like it works awesome
Left levers are rear brakes in Australia, its just weird to me otherwise as a Aussie. Just like motorbikes over there that have the right as front brake. Not sure why it didnt follow through on the pushies.
Awesome video! You have me sold on the Magura., been using SLX Shimano but I am a big boy so some extra stopping power would be great. I have to ask as well, what do people do for mountain biking in Phoenix during the summer heat wave? I took up MTB in the fall so this is more first summer, and right now at 111 . . . that's just a hard pass for me.
Haha mainly just stay inside or go on road trips all summer
You have to go at sunrise to beat the heat. Thats what we do here in the summer in israel
I am a big boy too and was suffering from braking power and fading. it was a game-changing solution for me 220 mm Magura rotors. Highly recommend it.
Brilliant video mate 👍
It is always very interesting watching you doing all those changes and upgrades to your bikes. I admire also your ability, knowledge to do it. 🤙
I like on-off for trail riding and Sram (high end) modulation for DH.
Awesome content Evan Love your videos! Keep it Going!🔥👍
I live in Karratha where it gets up to 50 degrees Celsius
Me watching people spend money in bike parts while I'm just watching here dreaming about Deore group set 😭. Btw love your videos keep it up 😉☺️.
hey Evan just wondering where did you get the tool use use to cut the brake housing and to push in the barbs?
For US $800 (ballpark 40K in Philippine peso), it better be worth it!
Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #KeepBiking
I ride angelfire and have ridden saints XT 4 pots and magura MT 7.
After many years I have finally settled with a saint lever & MT 7
Love it!!
How the saint lever feel and perfomance??
The mt5 caliper is the same as the mt7 for the People that want to get shigura :)
As is the even cheaper mt-thirty.;)
@@ivwshane never heard of the Mt30 but an mt5 is around 79 euro in germany
SRAM brakes left the chat.
You can buy the levers for abt 70 bucks each and the magura calipers individually for abt 100. So the whole combo costs you 340
Really enjoying your content
I suggest you to make barspin mode and change orange fox stickers to blue
Dude you forgot one of the best must to have part with shigura and that is magura 203mm rotor. You cant imagine what a new life is it.
Thats real shigura brake feel. And actualy xt is better lever than xtr (try it) thats a fact.
Great video as always
I like this video. Nice work.
I have to ask:
When did you order and receive your Trickstuff brakes?
I ordered a set back in May 2019. Still have not received them.
Thanks in advance for the reply!