2 Piston vs 4 Piston MTB Brakes | Which is best for you?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Many bikes come stock with 2 piston brakes, but should you upgrade to 4 piston brakes? But wait, what even are 4 piston brakes?
In this video, we'll compare 2 piston and 4 piston brakes and help you decide which is best for you and your riding style.
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***This video was originally posted a little while back, but we made wanted to change our wording on some things and have reuploaded it.
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This video was originally posted a little while back, but we made wanted to change our wording on some things and have re-uploaded it with this updated version! 🤘🤘🤘
But misspelled 'aggressive'. 10:09
I really dont know about the ideal braking power..i ride on rough rocky trail and even roots and my tyre bites on the ground when i do braking. Im not really convince of the concept between 2 and 4 pistons brake. Yes lets say 4 pistons but smaller pistons were there while 2 pistons but they are bigger pistons..thats why im not yet totally convince. My brake still bite more and my tyre hold on the ground when i ride..do i really need to upgrade? Sorry but im not convince. Im not against on 4 pistons brake but my brake still do the job for me..oh by the way im still using 2014 shimano 2 pistons non series hydro brake on my primal 2020 hardtail.
Please convince me through a reply..glad to hear your thoughts.
m8000 xt 4 pistons front and m7000 slx 2 pistons rear... I hate sram brakes xD
I am riding Mt200😭😭 brakes
New to eMTB world from being a Roadie. 3 months in had to switch out stock deore 2pot (brake fade in steep rocky decents on UK moors) to 4pot Hope Tech4 E4s on my Orbea Rise. WTF night and day different. eMTB should come with 4pot as standard 🤔. New to your channel enjoying and learning lots from it. Great work 👍
Thanks to The Lost Co I want a coil shock, new rear hub, and 4 piston brakes...in a week.
Nick Zarnetske Get ‘Em!
Me dreaming that marzochi z1 coil...
They are doing their job well!
Same over here... Marzocchi Coil and some ZEE brakes
I ruined your 69 likes
I only run 64 piston, yeah it’s a little clunky but it stops really well
69 beats all your base are
Legend has it @CanCycle is still stopped.
@@MrSatchelpack I’ve transcended into a negative velocity
.5 sec stoppage time
Me with 30$ chinese brakes: Interesting
its impressive you are alive
Me with mechanical brakes... Well no need to say anything more :(
Get on offer up. I found some used sram code rs 4 pistons for $100 for front and rear
Link? 👀
Taking a short cut it’s not worth going to ER. Medical expenses are expensive.
“Only two pistons or 4 pistons”
Hope brakes: There’s 6 actually
Gator brakes 8 piston...
16 piston brake : IF YOU TOUCH THE LEVER, YOU PLANT HEAD
If when descending steep trails you're scared and just holding on for dear life, like me, four piston brakes with sintered finned pads is a must
I’ll say this straight this is one of the best MTB channels out there it’s very clear very outgoing and love the content and how detailed it is keep it up guys definitely sharing this channel around happy riding
Love my XT8120 4 pistons. Overkill some days but when you need them it's good to know they are there.
Super informative, complete and easy to digest recap on brakes with clear, concise recommendation at the end. Watched it on 2x and in 10min and feel I know everything I need to make a purchase.
This guy does a really good job explaining this stuff.👍👍
I adore my Magura MT7s, Ive been running them for almost 2 years. I do use Shimano XT rotors with them but there is a little bit of rub that comes from them because of the piston stroke, it is very small compared to the Shimano brakes. Also Magura rotors are thicker than Shimano rotors new and almost the thickness of a Shimano rotor when they are worn.
I have seen a lot of videos on MTBs as of late and this has been of the few that not only does not suck, but it's quite helpful!
The structure of the chapters is very good, the emphasis on terms by blowing them up in bold white font is super helpful, and the lack of an annoying British accent is absolutely refreshing.
Create a similar presentation for tires, suspensions, derailleurs, etc.
SRAM brakes, for when you want Chrysler reliability out of your stopping power and enjoy multiple bleeds per season. Also fun is waiting for the recall notice.
This was great! Dude is super likeable and I learned a lot
This is my first time saying this to any UA-camr but nice video man 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Nice content guys👍
Thanks for the video, I just decided to change my XT M785 to SLX M7120. Not installed yet due to collar bone recovery period, but I'm sure it's the best choice I've made.
why down grade from xt to slx ?
Your vidéos are just great. Fun and catchy
Very informative thanks 👍
I run Tektro Auriga 2 piston brakes with ceramic pads (Discobrakes) on my XC 29er and the stopping power is more than enough for my needs.
I would like a 4 piston setup, though 😊. Even if I don't need it.
Had SRAM's and totally disliked them. Did not like the modulation effect on them and was constantly adjusting the level adjustment. Switched to XT Deore, way better IMO.
Awesome Thanks!
Running Magura MT5s on my Downhill mtb and they're amazing! Not just for the price! But the stopping power & modulation is so confidence inspiring, they literally compensate for my lack of skill as someone just getting back into mtb after a 10 year hiatus. Since having them ive been able to go faster, steeper & harder, knowing i can slow down if i need to. And all for a ridiculous $250nzd front & rear delivered from UK to NZ. By far the cheapest 4 pot brakes i could find, & better than the bottom half of most of them. Will never go back to a 2 piston brake, & any bike that doesn't have better brakes than the Magura MT5 will be getting upgraded..
Same here. MT5 on my downhill bike
Awesome Video! I purchased a FAT bike that came with, lets say not very good brakes for my riding style. I grabbed a pair of Shimano Zee levers, replaced the fixed free stroke screw with adjustable from an XT lever and added the Shimano 4 - piston 520 calipers w/metal pads. Added a 203mm rotor on the Bluto (which I added to the bike) & a 180mm rotor rear, brake performance is outstanding!
I’m going to upgrade my Code R’s hopefully this week to Hope Tech 3 V4 with 203mm rotors. Finding stock is the hardest part right now. 🤘🏻🚵🏽♂️🦍
I have a 70 pound electric fat bike that came with two piston front and rear brakes. I upgraded the front brake only to a Magura MT5e 4 piston brake system. I left the rear brake alone. What a great braking system the Magura is as the bike now stops on a dime regardless of how steep a hill I'm going down.
Im going to try shigura set up on my ebike, my original on 2pot slx m675 is good but i have 1500w peak power/160nm of torque hitting my wheels, im finding Shimano 4pot a little underwhelming, i tried m6120 and m7120 , looking forward to magura power
Basically, if you live near and have access to vertical descending trails, 4 piston brakes are for you. For the majority of riders that don't get to ride mountains(or in my case don't have any mountains with 600 miles), 2 piston brakes have plenty of stopping power.
Finally found the only guy that wants Sram brakes on the internet - NEAT!
Nice info just what I was looking for including price points which is often left out.
Great explaination why you need XT :)
I run Alberto Fujimori signature rally DH brakes on all my bikes. Yes, they are uber expensive and a bit of an overkill, but you get the peace of mind of knowing that they can handle anything you throw at them.
I’m running the shimano slx 4 pots.
I love everything about them
Thank you for the good work.keep posting
Im about to install deore br m 6120 on my kona kahuna 2021.is it a good upgrade??or you have another suggestion?
Running XC setup and for my local trails, 2 piston Shimano Deore XT B8100 suffices. Upgraded levers to Flo Motorsports.
Thank you, Mullet-King
Well I had an oldchool rim brake mountain bike and I decided to refurbish it and fit it with modern parts and now I have a bike with Disc and rim brakes front and rear, 10/10 would reccomend
Im running shimano deore xt 4 pistons and i couldn't be happier, i have tried the srams they are not bad brakes but i like the deore xt more
Thanks bro. This is good. For an aggressive ebiker like me, I just ordered Juin Tech GT (4-piston) for my Super73.
Thanks.
/Bklyn👑
I use some old Shimano 2 piston brakes and they have never overheated because they fit more oil inside them use them for DH and down country for the past 9 years And they are resin pads
i used Shimano XTR M9120 Brakes and it feels quick and crisp. when i touched the lever, the brake will bite instantly. Amazing work with metal brake pads.
i used a 4 piston M7120 and i wanto revert down to a 2 piston... but this video changed my mind.... 👍
Good Content Sir! 👍
If you ride much trails downhill 4Pistons are the better choice!
I ride the Magura MT7 at my Scott Voltage but with the Trail Sport Levers, these combination has very much power and isn’t so sponge than the stock MT7 lever
I have SLX 4 piston and xt 2 piston brakes. The 4 pistons are way better. Be careful when buying replacement pads. Not all the online documentation is correct for the new shimano brakes.
Thx for the tip... with Covid we have been relying more and more on the online retailers
Don't you just order the same part number that you are replacing?
Thanks for the video. Which is the difference between the code and the guide sram brakes ? Is it something you can feel, or both of them are very similar. Thanks in advance. Regards
I rode downieville with my two piston shimano brakes and I didn't have much left of the pads by the end of it!
I ride dirt bikes and mountain bikes. I still like using BB7s or Klampers. They modulate about the same as the average dirt bike brake. So I just feel comfortable with them.
Have you had any success installing 4 piston calipers on the M8000 2 piston levers? Thank you!
If you want noisy brakes that require bleeding all the time with loss of feel or pumping up in high heat, I recommend Sram brakes.
i replaced my XC default front brake (MT200) by a M7120 + 180mm Icetech rotor. Might be overkill for an XC bike but having good brakes is so good and it's much safer !
Is Saint brakes still the best option for DH?
I weigh 100kg so I definitely wanted something reliable when descending some gnarly stuff or even long descents where regular 2 pot heat up really fast. I went for the more budget version of mt520's/m 6120 and they are good enough for me, I dont believe I am missing a lot for skipping more pricier version like m7120 or m8120. Yes I get fancier levers but in the end even these levers that I have are enough since that lever adjustment is done when bleeding/changing pads and you forget about it till next service.
But you do have to be extra careful with those ceramic pistons, they are easy to shatter and changing single piston is not advisable since they don't promise the same performance. Im speaking from experience :D I ended up spending more than I planned since I had problems with those ceramic pistons but in the end, with all that extra epxenditure Im satissfied overall
I run Shimano SLX M7100, 2 Piston brakes on my IBIS, and it's basically more than enough stopping power for me...considering all I ride is a lot of cross country miles on my bike.
Shimano LX parallel-push V-brakes! 😂 Considering leaving the nineties behind though...
Can anyone tell me if my 2 piston M8000 XT levers and cables will work with a new SLX 4 piston caliper? Or will I need to replace the set? Thanks!
4:22 not only that, you won't have to slow down as much because you have more speed control. instead of being able to control your speed between 10 and 15 miles an hour of change, you can control it between 5 and 10 miles an hour of change. that is a huge improvement. if you can slow down 4mph instead of 8mph with the same amount of effort (effort, not force) it will be allot easier to slow down less when you want to. when your pinky does what your middle finger used to, your middle finger gets more sensitive.
This was very helpful for me because I have crappy mt500s from 2016 so the Slx is the best option for me (4 piston)
Hey as long as you have a bike with hydraulic brakes then that's a great start! MT500's are actually pretty good for an entry level brake.
-Mike
Theres another benefit to using 4 piston brakes....extended pad life. i Iused to chew through pads every 3 weeks with m615 brakes (2 piston and large milages off rd through insomnia) and a chain. thats £60. Now on 4 piston zee brakes they last 3-4 months and with aftermarket pads £25 for 4 pairs all seem rather shiney. and the upgrade HAS SAVED MONEY
Magura MT5 203 in front and 180 in rear. Both 4 piston callipers. The setup has claimed the pride of 2 rookies over the handlebars. The scene was worth every scratch on my frame. Hahahah
That's the setup I'm considering for my new Ibis ripley, have you experienced any of the Shimano 4 pots ? I'm cross shopping the 8120.. thanks
In my opinion, as long as you aren’t a 40 kg cross country racer, just go 4 piston. The only real downside is the extra cost. but if an extra 100 bucks brakes the deal(pun intended), you can go the used route, or maybe check out a lower end model.
I some Shimano SLX 4 pot callipers with XT leavers (because I accidentally broke the SLX leaver) and I love it. great stopping power and modulation. I have tried sram and tectro breaks, they are also great breaks but I just didn't like them. they are not my kind of cup tea.
I can vouch for the Shimano mt520. I have it as my rear brake and a deore 2 piston up front. There is certainly a difference and I 100% prefer the mt520. I used to have mt520 front and rear but I cracked a piston during service which basically kills the brake. That’s why there’s a 2 piston deore up front. I would say Shimano s ceramic pistons are def more reliable than their plastic ones. By this I mean the pistons don’t become sticky as often. They always return as they should, but you have to be careful servicing them because they are simply more delicate. I also tried the sram guide r and those are good 4 piston brakes as well.
What do you think about installing a 4 piston in front and a 2 piston in the back? (I have 2 MTB so I can have both with good braking power).
I have always found four piston to be better for modulation when you ride the brake, and obviously heat dissipation. However, I have never had an issue stopping a bike with 2 piston, if the system is completely bled. 2 piston are definitely more grabby. On my DH bike, I run 4 piston upfront where I want more braking, but less grabby, and 2 piston out back where I"m not worried about the wheel locking up with hard braking. Also, A mineral oil system will definitely give you a more solid brake feel, but less modulation than a DOT brake.
For sure, My trail bike has 2 pot Shimanos and they get REAL grabby when hot, makes switchbacks and steep downhill tech sketchy.
@@mrvwbug4423 Interesting info thanks
great video... I'm still waiting for 5 piston breaks
Hello! I'm riding trek roscoe 6 2020 stock. And I'm thinking to upgrade my brakes,because i feel it does not do the job when i hit harder terrain. What do you think about shimano zee? Thank you if you will answer ! Have a nice season! Peace out!
4:11 That just made laugh so hard.
Im running Shimano Saints, awesome
Upgraded my 22 year old GT LTS 1000-DS with the first usable disc brake on any bike with 1 piston mechanical brake. And guess what, it works great!
Noob question. I ride a cx now but want to get a road bike in the future with hydraulic disc. Could you use a 105 r7020 sti with shimano slx m7120? I just want to feel more confident going down hill. Hope to hear from you guys!
I’ll get a 4 piston calipper for my front wheel. While going downhill rear tire usually has no much grip and if you have to stop, you use the front brake also buut...shimano rules you know...front flip almost guaranteed 😂 I really need a progressive feeling while lots of stopping power!!
i have mt420 they are horrible i bleeded them, replaced the brake pads re surfaced them and are super mushy and dont give alot of power and have alot of play before biting. i need some help
can I buy just the 4 pot calipers and use my existing levers?
I have an XC but I use 4pistons. I was told that it's for DH but I have more control with 4Ps. I don't mind the "extra" weight.
More control is definitely worth the tiny weight increase.
I run 4 pot breaks on my xc race bike just so I know that even with skinny tires I can stay in control
Bruh, XC race bikes these days are starting to get 2.35 inch and 2.4 inch tires
i swapped out my top of the line 200 dollar trp quad piston brakes (only brake saddle) with shimano deore brakes and organic pads, for 1 fourth of the price, and the annoying loud noise is gone while the power and feel is improved. mineral oil brakes are so convenient.
Thinking on upgrading my current Shimano SLX MT7100 2 pistons just changing the Caliper for the Shimano SLX MT7120 4 pistons and Brake Pads Shimano N03A
I have the XT 8120’s with 180 rotors for trail riding. Awesome and issue free brake.
223mm rotor + Saint on DH 29er and still, I can imagine it will stop quicker, if I use 243mm rotors :-)
Shimano Zee with free stroke adjustment that works for me to center the brake pads
Not gonna lie, I got a YT Izzo Pro and I didn't even know that the G2 RS were 4 pistons until like a month after riding it and noticing the four pots on the bike while cleaning it. Went inside just to double check on the SRAM website. I love these brakes, never ever feel like I need more or don't have enough to stop me. Totally controllable, etc. On my MTB's I do prefer the SRAM brakes because they have that 'squishy' feeling that to me is more controllable, I don't want to be going on a technical downhill and accidentally lock the brakes because they're too sensitive. I have rocks and roots to be paying attention to, I don't want to be using brain power to gently modulate my brakes.
I remember I would put the shoe pressing the rear tire as a break!☺
Can we start the countdown until the first dual disc front brake bike comes out? You know it's coming. With ebikes coming on.. a year? Year and a half?
My wallet says 2
haha good one!
Mine says mechanical
Jeffery Wang yep, my girlfriend’s bike has some Avid BB brakes on them that work amazingly well.
Check out mt420 shimano 4 pot brakes
for heat management, rotor size and thickness is far more important than caliper piston count. I don't see why M7100 brakes with metallic pads and large and thick rotors would not provide enough braking power in any possibly imaginable situation
Lovely
Mine are 4 piston xt , when I replace pad will I need to push in each piston individually or 2 at one time ?
I went up one disc size front and back... easy way to get a noticeable improvement for a lot less cash.
It helps, but at least with my setup, they still lose modulation and get grabby as they get hot. I went to a 200mm rotor up front and metallic pads front and rear but kept the Shimano MT-400 2 pots. They are probably still not up to black rated downhills, I did a black rated descent on sunday and they were getting grabbier and harder to modulate on each successive switchback as they didn't have time to cool between switchbacks.
My Stock Ibis Ripley AF came with 4 piston SLX Metallic pads.
more pistons is definitely more better, i opted for a hope mono 6ti front and m4 evo rear setup over my standard shamano twin pots, and you can really tell the difference especially it being an ebike the extra mass is a real drag with puny brakes
I use the Shimano XTR BR-M9020 Trail with 180mm Disks at the front and back with the stock metallic brake pads.
I have Zee, and I'm happy ))
I have a question. Can you fit icetech pads in mt520 brakes? This video helped me a lot, thank you👍
no mate
Gravel bike, daily commuter. Want speed with quick/effective brakes in stop-go city traffic.
2 piston = 180mm rotors (XT and/or alfine = COMMUTER 3-finger levers)
4 piston = 160mm rotors (XT = MUST because no 180mm flat mount adapters. With flat-to-post adapter since standard 2 piston isn't enough)
Both combinations has equal stopping power. (Newer XT touring levers paired with flat mounts)
I love my old huffy breaks ill lay a 30 foot patch
Had deores that perfromed well, got Saint calipers (with deore levers) and frankly not so impressed, what tends to rob power on a saint?
I have a set of shimano mt200s on my bike and I don’t feel any need for more. It doesn’t take much to lock up a wheel even with the lowest end hydraulic brakes. More braking power is rarely ever needed.
Just subscribed..
where does the liguid go after its pushed the pads though
I've got Shimano Saint up front and a xt lever and slx trail caliper on the rear of my new trail bike
I own an XC MTB and I use Tektro Auriga hydraulic brakes..
Idk so I have an old pair of dual piston juicy 5s and a new pair of 4 piston Code Rs and I only switch out the front 160m to 180m with the Code R and I dont feel like it made much or any difference...like my mind cant make up what's new besides a smoother lever feel with the same power lol