I Upgraded To The 7800X3D And Regret It
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My mini ITX has a Ryzen 7600 65w and a RTX 4070, as power efficient as it gets. Easy 240Hz 1440P, WarZone 2, Over Watch 2, Valorant 🔥
hey B, im planning to build a new rig, between AM4 & AM5 which will last much longer? budget is around $1.5k+ , for the build i only need mobo, ram, cpu and cpu cooler rest of components i already have..the gpu for the new build is tuf 3090.. thanks man. keep it up love your videos!
what about at 2k? whats the specs for that? peopel alwasy forget that people enjoy the middle ground of 2k gameing
He regrets buying it because the price changes afterwards. Saved you all so much time ❤
Thanks!
thank you!
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ma man!
You know what I hate? When they make a title "I regret it" and then don't fucking tell you why for like 11 minutes in a 5 minute video. Just tell us what the goddamn issue is Jesus christ.
also his reasoning is bad.
Video starts from 04:08
Thank you for saving my precious time!
More like 6:15, what a waste of time
@@Fastblack83 I whole heartedly thank you and myself too because I watch a video while simultaneously reading the comments .
tnx
Thank you, it was getting annoying fast forwarding to the part where I am here for.
I would upgrade to a 7800X3D along with all the other compatible components but my wallet is bottlenecking me.
The 7800x3d ain't worth it for the price, just buy a Zen 5 cpu. The 3d v-cache improves performance by around 10% in most cases so I don't really think it's worth it and is just overhyped.
run from the 7800x3d, the over volatage problem still isn't fixed. chips are still melting in the motherboard socket.
@@kevinroy1736 returning mine on monday if I still can...
That's been my biggest bottleneck in a while lmao
XD
Skip to 6:19 to get to the point lol. TLDW is that the processor has diminishing returns at higher resolutions which is obvious. Still beneficial though and even outperforms processors that cost more and it's also on a new AM5 socket that will be supported for years to come. Basically just get a 5800X3D if you're limited on budget but know that it's on a dead AM4 platform.
Thats not diminishing returns. Thats a gpu bottleneck.
Cpus don't care about resolution. If it can hit 60 at 720p it can hit it at 8k. Gpus on the other hand . . .
If you prioritise high fps then a strong cpu is important. Games you play and how much fps you want dictate how strong ofc.
@@Derpynewb That's... the exact definition of diminishing returns lol. The higher the resolution, the less the CPU matters. I am fully aware of what a GPU bottleneck is.
@@PJthePlayer sorry. The reason I said it like that is although you are verbally correct, to an inexperienced person, what you said implies the cpu is having issues keeping the framerate up . Yes there's diminishing returns but its NOT caused by the cpu.
The 1% and 0.1% lows are much better on 7800X3D at 4K so it still matters at 4K.
Am4 is definitely not a dead platform.
We should also consider that anyone in a position to spend a minimum of $1600 dollars (usually more) on a 4090 is not usually looking for where they can cut corners on their build. Price-to-performance really only matters when you’re limited by your budget. (Admittedly, that is most of us but most of us also can’t afford a 4090 no matter what cpu we pair with it)
There's two factors at play here too. If you go AM4 there are no CPU upgrades coming for you. If you go AM5, you will not only have the best, but it will bottleneck later and you have upgrade potential. And like you said, people buying 4090s are splurging and I doubt they go prior gen/budget on the other parts after dumping that much into a GPU 😂
I have a 4090 and you are right I wouldn't be worrying about buying a cheaper cpu, ram and MB. In fact I don't want anything AMD full stop. I buy high end Intel cpus which never have issues unlike anything AMD. Intel and Nvidia works without problems, hell AMD can't even get usb working properly sometimes.
@@theoldpcgamer77 I would have gone Intel, but they don't have good history of using the same socket long term, unlike AMD. So that made me choose 7950x3d. And also simulator games seem to like the extra cache
Most of us on AM5 knew it really didn't matter. I have a 7600x and a 4080, so this doesn't apply to me. But I was coming from a 9600k. and buying another dead platform makes little to no sense.
But in all honesty, CPU just doesn't matter all that much for 4K and even 2k. My plan was to use the 7600x as a placeholder until the X3d chips came out 4 months later - but I've been happy with it and there's not really anything to gain as I don't play at 1080p
@@hansolo631 I still game at 1080p rn because 4k is not as affordable as I would like @ the performance I want lol. But if I didn't have a monitor already, I would be gaming at minimum 1440p
We need Microcenters in Europe……
yeah i really need it also it would be the best tech store
european electronic prices are already very competitive in northern europe.
true
Not just Europe. Worldwide
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The same can be said about all modern CPUs. The point is that the AM5 has a long way to go, and investing in it can save you money down the track when the Ryzen 8000 and 9000 CPUs are released.
No Zen 5 will benefit greatly from the new motherboards.
It is ONLY a good "investment" if you need a whole new platform. There is no real reason to upgrade to AM5 right now. If you have a decent system now, by the time you actually NEED an upgrade, AM5 mobo's and ddr5 ram will be MUCH cheaper and there will be better cpu's to upgrade to.
@@Lifty83 AND it is only a good "investment" if you find it at reasonable prices for your needs. If you spend cheap in an AM4 platform now you can reuse the saved money into a better & newer AM5 system later.
Thats if you get a motherboard that supports them
@@Lifty83 exactly. not worth unless you really must upgrade your system to play newest games. I would personally wait for am6 or intel new platform, that I think will be worth it (my guess would be ai optimized cpus/mobos/memory). The real world applications of ai are now going super crazy in a good sense so it's only logical the research will go into this
a big thing people overlook is these 3d chips help a ton in MMOs at all resolutions. if you play MMOs, the 3d chip is a must buy. i recently upgraded from a 3700x to a 5800x3d and framerate is just so much smoother cuz the lows improved CONSIDERABLY.
This guy gets it. "This is the way."
This is absolutely correct.
I play Dragonflight and went from a 5800x to a 7800x3d, it’s about a 40-45% performance increase. You can definitely feel it, day and night.
Same goes for RTS and Management/factory games (Factorio, Satisfactory, Cities skylines etc.). Although it becomes noticeable later in the games, with larger saves.
Well yeah, you just bough a refresh of the next gen you have, i hope its better lol
Another thing is VR. If you play any VR games, including car and flight sims, those 3D chips are untouchable.
The actual video starts at 6:05.
They said as long as you download the latest bios and not overclock it, it will be fine. If the voltages are too high it's recommended to tune then down
That’s still trash. Shouldn’t have to do that. Not everyone pays attention to pc parts very much. And what about if it’s a mom getting a taking pc for their kid or teenager. Can’t excuse what these shit companies are doing at all.
So people have to accept degraded performance? Lol.
In other words, buy Intel
@@ryulanda9399 the x3d cpus weren't overclockable in the first place. All these bios updates do is remove the mistake that asus made by trying to overvolt them
@@dhLotan yep that’s the easiest workaround lol
I think there is another way to look at this. The 7800X3D is a great chip when paired with a 4090, just like the 5800X3D is, however, we can only assume that the performance of the 7800X3D will become more apparent in the next generation of GPU's. In the same way the 5800X3D really shines right now. For me, the biggest reason I went 7800X3D is the platform longevity. AM4 is amazing, but I wanted something that I could upgrade over the next 3-4 years. (hopefully)
Exactly. Most people that buy top of the line systems when it's upgrade time are usually buying a system that they know will last them literally years.
Exactly he spend 2000 $ only for his 4900 gpu, and best cpu for gaming but ...then he come and told us hey i regret buying the best gpu for gaming, but you can make some 160$ economy by buying the older gen cpu x3d lol , yes you can also make some economy and buy rx 6800xt and not to spend 2000$ on the best gpu lol
When you have 2000$ for gpu but you don't have +160 more bucks for the best cpu to:D lol
@@faithful2008 so true
And don’t forget the 7800x3d is significantly more efficient and takes less watts
Same, that's why I went for AM5. I'd only ever had Intel before this computer. My first build was an original first gen i7 920, then I built a new computer with an 8700k and 1060 nearly 9 years later (Intel didn't exactly improve that much from the first get i series basically the 7th or so.) That computer lasted me until 3 months ago when I got sick of awful fps in WoW raids so I built a 7800x3d with a 7900xtx in a MSI Mag x670e Tomahawk mobo. Since AMD actually supports their sockets for more than 2 generations I'm looking forward to actually upgrading this computer in the future instead of building a whole new one. The MSI mobo I got was one of the few that had PCIE 5 and 4 m.2 slots for under 500. Very happy with it so far.
Whoo Hoo! This video was really a welcome view IMO as I'm actually running on a 5800X3d and was thinking of going to a new AM5 build using the 7800X3d. Now, I'll just wait toward the end of the AM5 platform to do a build.
Just skip AM5 entirely. Right now you can game 240hz, by AM6 release you will be gaming 75hz and it'll be perfect timing for the big upgrade
I have the 5800x3d too with a 7900xtx. I was thinking the exact same thing about upgrading to the 7800x3d. In my heart heart i knew it was probably not worth it but, I kept hearing about how the 7800x3d was the "best". This take makes me feel good about my system now. I was getting PC insecuirty lol.
I have a 5950x no need to upgrade for a good while imho. In 2025 PCIE 7.0 comes out and 3 nanometer chips, by that time DDR5 will be mature and cheaper a year later AM6 comes.
@@DeathEnducer yeah and am6 will be even more buggy and broken than am5
The Problem are unfinished products nowadays. Not the customer
@@n0pe_7 nahh it'll be equally buggy as am5 release. It's called bleeding edge for a reason :)
I mean as you showed with the benchmarks, I saw those 1 % low and 0,1 % low are quite better on the 7800X3D so for me that is a yes.
He also doesnt mention ray tracing on the 4090 or DLSS which will use more CPU power as well. And the 7800X3D will perform better.
Also he only tests AAA games that are known to be heavily GPU optimized.
The 5ghz single core speed on the 7800x3d along with the cache really helps to plow through bad optimization on indie titles, older games, and heavily modded instances if you ever choose to game beyond CSGO and Cyberpunk.
My main games are Hell Let Loose, Escape from Tarkov, and Arma 3 and high CPU speed makes or breaks these games even though they only require a moderately spec'd GPU.@@SecrethLab
@@chickenwillie3785 Tarkov is my game. I am thinking of upgrading to this processor. Do you recommend it for EFT?
My GPU is only a 3060ti but I don't think that will make much of a difference in that game.
Valid point. Something to keep in mind is that am4 is at end of life. I considered pairing a 4090 with a 7600(x) for the reasons you stated and upgradeability but I think the 7800x3d will remain more relevant with future GPU upgrades
honestly, by the time the 7800x3D becomes relevant at 4k, you could probably buy a cheap 9600x that outperforms it greatly.
4k gaming at 100fps with rtx 4080. Wgat are you waiting for?
Am5 will end soon as well and I really doubt that even with the fastest am5 cpu that your mobo can munch in few years there will be significant difference in gaming performance. Still the main factor in gaming is and will be gpu power. I think smarter is to go am4 now (and save money for better gpu, new ssd, monitor, mouse etc.), skip am5 and wait for am6 or what intel will have at that time. As I think even with fully upgraded am5 (fastest future cpu, fastest ram) the performance difference will be under 10% between am4 (with fastest cpu + ram). Both with fastest gpu obviously. Not worth the cost or headache (bugs) imho
@@kovrcek yup..that's what i SHOULD HAVE done..but sadly didn't . After a lot of back and forth, my new system now doesn't make any sense at all :D
There are some years left to game on AM4.
Please get to the point sooner
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The average framerate may be nearly the same, but the 1% lows and .1% lows looked like significant improvements, like 10+FPS, or 10-15%, in half your games there. That can be a noticeable improvement in the smoothness.
Agreed. World of difference if .1% low is at the 50s or at the high 60s-70s.
I think 1% lows are more tied to the memory being used. He uses quite slow ddr4 (3600/cl18), if he used 3600/cl14 I bet the 1% lows would be the same. Ryzens are very memory dependant.
@@kovrcek I don't think 3600/cl18 is that slow when it comes to DDR4. it's 10ns first word latency, which is around the cutoff for diminishing returns. (And matches the latency from the DDR5 set). And while ryzen is extremely memory-speed sensitive, the x3d variants were much less so than the normal versions of the same CPUs, for both the 5800 and the 7000 series x3d chips.
Though I do agree with you that it would be interesting to see further comparisons that get into testing more differences between the CPUs at varying ram speeds, but at the end of the day I do think the main point that DDR5 builds in general are still priced relatively high for their performance. (It's a good performance increase, but an even bigger price increase), and if you're going to pay this much for a modern system you should think of it as an investment into being able to upgrade more smoothly further down the road, since AM4 is at the end of the line and there won't be options for faster CPUs, SSDs or RAM coming out in the future for AM4/DDR4 systems.
10 fps for a considerable amount of money just isn't worth it in my opinion.
@@Night_Hawk_475 well it was very much noticeable when I OC'ed my RAM from 3200/cl14 (XMP) to 3600/cl14 (with tight timings) in CP2077 (1080p). Cl18 is quite slow and it might have affected the performance quite a bit. AM5 should be supported till 2025 or maybe 1-2 more years. So imho better to skip it altogether as it's not very good investment in future, I'd buy the fastest AM4 build instead, by doing this you save money for a better GPU = better perf in all games basically (be it 1080p or 4k). If performance is not enough in future you can still buy faster GPU and re-use it in your newer build. AM5 is not worth it simply for games - PCIe 4 is not utilized fully, hell even gen 3 is not being utilized to full potential today. And if you are gaming at 4k it will be only GPU dependant. Games were and still are mainly GPU bound, faster CPU/RAM can benefit you only in specific cases (1080p, competitive games) where faster GPU benefits you always. Or for the saved money you can buy better monitor, mouse, audio, chair etc. And in 4 years buy AM6/Intel new platform which will be heck lot faster and better and much more mature (no bugs, frying chips, memory training issues etc.).
The "fastest gaming CPU ever made" changes every year when new things come out 😂
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Fr. But I'm good if it lasts me at least 4-5 years. Don't need to upgrade every year.
@@DenKulesteSomFins 🤣
LOL this^ LTT was drolling over the Ryzen 7 5800X3D when was that? yep last year! ITS TEH FASTEST GDSMING CPUS EVERS!!!
@@gorkskoal9315 It's even funnier in video titles because it goes obsolete so fast
Your argument has one fatal flaw. Future proofing. Could you get away with 5800X3D? Sure, is it going to last you as long? No. 7800X3D allows me to upgrade my GPU later to the 6080 or 7080 without having to upgrade my CPU at the same time. It also allows me to use FSR/DLSS when games get to GPU demanding. If I went with a 5800X3D, FSR/DLSS stresses the CPU more and therefore may have little to no effect on future games. The 7800X3D also allows me an upgrade path, 5800X3D does not
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This is a big problem: as the DDR5 get cheaper and faster, makes sense to have an upgrade path, but if you bought a system at the begin of the year, where DDR5 (slow 5200/ CL40) and AM5 MB were insanely expensive, then a DDR4 system made a lot of sense. I bought a Z690 and a i5 13600k for about 2/3 of the price of an AM5 with similar performances and possibly slower memories
@@Krashulka yes, the reality is that, for someone gaming and not streaming, or not working on advanced computer simulations, memories and processors, even from previous generations, are plenty fast to feed any top of the line card. Nobody really needs more the 60 FPS and that frame rate can be feed to graphic cards even by an i5 12400 or an AMD 5600.
People prefer to crank up details and resolution anyway then run a game at 1080p at medium detail for insane refresh rates and modern GPU are generally the limiting factor. Having DDR5 over DDR4 for the current CPU really don't brings enough to justify throwing money at it, unless the prices are very similar.
Unless someone upgrades CPU every year, in which case AMD is the only way, and I would question the price/performance value of that, by the time we'll really need a new CPU, DDR6 or 7 will be a thing and DDR5 will be extremely cheap, especially in larger size, which now are almost unaffordable.
I'd rather have 64mb of fast DDR4 then 32MB of slightly faster DDR5 for the same price, especially on an ITX system that only hosts 2 memory slots.
@@Leptospirosi 64 MB of DDR4? Can't do much with that. If it were 64MB of DDR1 instead, that would go great with a Pentium 166 MHz DOS retro gaming rig lol
@@savagej4y241High amounts of Ram is mostly useful if someone runs a lot of programs in background. Normal games do not need more then 16 GB, but Star Citizen, or CP2077 Phantom of Liberty both seems to easily chug up more then 24GB and next Gen console will sport more RAM as well.
Yeah, i5-13600K is such a ridiculously good value for gaming that its difficult to recommend anything else. First time that an i7 or even i9 are fairly pointless for a dedicated gaming rig. The 7800X3D is better, but the additional price isn't worth it. It was even better over the 2022 holiday since Microcenter had a deal going to literally give away 32GB of 6000 MHz DDR5 for investing in a 13th gen Intel or AM5 motherboard + CPU combo. I would've taken advantage of that but was dead set on making a maxed out AM4 system out of curiosity.
But not everyone plays in 4k. Many people want high FPS in 1080p or 1440p. So 7800x3D is still the best option.
Cool but same thing not everyone cares for 1080 or 1440 lol pick what’s best for you
7800X3D is probably most usable for stuff like WQHD 360hz
indeed, i'd ike it to drive my aw3423dw at constant 175hz/fps.
Honestly makes sense if you already have an AM4 rig built. In my case, I’m looking to build from scratch my first ever, so I’m considering going AM5
Yes, I was coming from a 9600k, buying into another dead-end platform made no sense. But tbh, the 7600x I bought back in november or whatever is just fine, since I don't play at 1080p. I like my mobo, so in 6-7 months I'll probably drop in an 8800x or whatever. Because the guy is right, but at the same time, he can go further - does he even need a 5800x3D? For 4k, essentially anything from the past few gens are fine.
From scratch you can still go AM4, it's got some years left.
@@rabbychan What? They are literally not making anymore AM4 CPUs, Buying into a dead socket would be... a bizarre choice
@@hansolo631 If you can make a cheap AM4 build that runs 1440p easily and you're the type of person that uses that build for 5 years before upgrading everything I think it's still a realistic option.
@@rabbychan I just don't get it. I mean yes, there's people still using 7700k's, and it's still perfectly viable. But in 5 years I'll be able to plop in a 8800x3d with this motherboard, whereas a 5800x3d will be badly showing its age - while yes it will still be "viable". Essentially any CPU from the last few years is viable, which makes it all the stranger that you'd buy into a dead socket. Since like a base 7600 trades blows with the 5800x3d, so you can't even point to a financial reason.
Not factoring in the 0.1% and 1% in 4K benchmarks is ridiculous... There's 30%+ of the performance between CPUs. How does this channel have 900K subscribers ?!? RIDICULOUS
The fact that he uses 4k for cpu testing is already telling lol
TLDW : the 7800x3d is bottlenecked by the 4090 at 4k, get the 5800x3d if you don't care about higher fps at a bit lower graphics fidelity, or about upgrading your gpu in the future and also maybe the 7800x3d itself if amd gives us 9800x3d on am5
I'm genuinely confused at this. why would you even buy/build using this card if your are going for impact vs price? you buy this CPU so that when the 50/8000 series or even the 60/9000 series launches, you can just upgrade GPU (maybe PSU, depending on how nutty those TDP's get) and be done with upgrades and have no worries. I'm not building a PC for today. I'm building it for the next 2-5 years, and i don't want to worry about upgrades every release.
I can buy a 5800X3D right now and put it in my old AM4 system to run with my 3080 Ti and I think that'd be a much better way to go than updating my entire system for AM5, DDR5, etc.
I built an am4 system when am5 just was coming on to the market and I’ve really never regretted going with a 5800x3d.
I’m considering going with a 5800x3d to save some cash - how you guys getting on with yours? What’s GFX?
Built my system at the end of 2021. Tuf B550M mobo, 5800x (3d version wasn't out yet), 32 gigs ram, 3060ti (got this recently because vid card prices were crazy in 2021, had a 1650 to begin with). There really is very limited upgrades I could do. I could get a 5800x3d for a very minimal upgrade, or something like the 5950x for the extra cores to lower my video rendering times some. But overall, I see no reason to upgrade at all. This system should last me 5+ years (I kept my last system for 7 years, it had a i7 4000 series and gtx 860, never had any issues with it and it still works great. But of course my new system is way faster). I still use my 8 year old 27" 1080x60 monitor, which is amazing and I have no want to upgrade. I can play any game I want on ultra settings, and do any work I want.
You don't always need the newest and best / most expensive.
@@earthling1984 he has a 3080ti so a 5800x3d is better for gaming for his card than any other 5000 series cpu
@Pikkoroo Did I ever argue that? As I said thr 5800x3d would be such a minimal upgrade it wouldn't be worth the price to me over my 5800x. Yes it is marginally better. Just no reason to spend money when I already can max out every game I play.
Main reason I was happy with my 5800X3D runs around 50W of power gaming with -25mv offset. At 1440p don’t feel like I’m loosing anything compare to this generation from either vender.
Loosing? Better tighten it up.
Yeah you aren't missing out on anything with a 5800x3d. That chip is a beast
The UA-cam algorithm is eating me alive. It has me watching endless build videos and wanting me to drive two hours to microcenter to buy parts for a build even though I'm on a 9900k waiting for 14th gen Intel most likely.
5800X3D gonna be great for years and years to come
I upgraded last year to a 5800X3D + 64GB RAM and it seems that it was the right choice ^^
@@Wazo0om i hope that 64GB of ram is for more than just gaming or even streaming otherwise that is overkill af
@@nyx3681 Overkill yes, but is that not part of what makes building PCs fun?
How does the x3D compare to the original 5800x?
@@Arcangel2992 it does significantly better in most games but any tasks that can’t benefit from the 3D cache such as some productivity apps the higher clocks make the 5800X faster. Gamers nexus has a good comparison video
Video starts at 06:50 before is just him flexing his setup (0% related to the video topic. 100% flexing)
I love my 5800x3d. IT was a great last upgrade for my AM4 system BUT if I was building new I would got with the 7800x3d. I want to be able to enjoy that wonderful upgradability that I enjoyed on AM4.
Bro discovered he has headroom for future gpus despite having a 4090 and regrets it.
Yeah also don't go with 7800X3D yet until all the exploding issues are sorted. Never jump on a brand new platform immediately. Always give it time to work kinks out.
Is it safe now? lol. Also is it worth 7800x3d when you game on 1440p?
@@mangohush5946+1 as I'd like to know too 😅
Yeah it works great on 1440p resolution and even 4k
4:08 if you're wondering when the video actually starts. What a joke of a content creator
I just did a new build and I did go with the 5800x3d, based on what I was finding it made a lot more sense to save money and build on the AM4 platform with these parts that are going on big sales. Everything is technically last gen but it was a nice jump from my 9th gen intel setup and the value is great
I'm just about to upgrade from a i7 3770k, I cannot wait to see the improvement, it's going to be phenomenal!
Congrats on your upgrade, I’d say it’s a massive jump of an improvement. Yeah AM4 platform setups are honestly the best option whether you’re a first timer or just looking to upgrade with a limited budget, either way you can get a solid gpu/cpu combo(Ryzen 7 5800X3D/3070ti ROG Strix) , low latency 3200mhz ddr4 ram on sale, decent PSU, plus improved or desired gaming peripherals.
@@bryanitza-chulopez1658 I agree but I don't recommend the 3070ti in 2023 unless one is staying on 1080p. Better off getting the 4070 with more VRAM
@@caribbaviator7058 UGH sigh. Ok grasshopper allow me to help just a little. Yeah yeah it was funny af to see what a bleeding edge case will do to hogwarts like what these guys did. That's because raytracing, in games, fucking sucks. It's fantastic tech from a development sense. 1440p games without ray tracing, and if you splurged 4k games will run at good or even fantastic FPS without it. Hell you might even like the FIPS gains from high vs ultra settings(juuust saying). RX6700XT might be a better deal than either one.
@@gorkskoal9315 Its not just "bleeding edge" cases anymore, even games like RE4 Remake on 1080p with high texture settings now require more than 8GB of VRAM. Thats only going to get worse from here on out. A longtime friend got a 3070 Ti when EVGA was on its way out for the same price that I got my ASRock Formula OC 6950 XT, about $750 including sales tax. Everything NVIDIA is overpriced and 3070 Ti is a ripoff!
I've never seen someone talk so much without saying anything LOL
If you already have an AM4 system and you want to extend its capabilities before eventually being forced to abandon that socket and all of its compatible components, of course buying the 5800X3D makes a lot of sense.
What wouldn’t really make sense would be someone building their first system today and going with AM4. If you’re very constrained budget-wise, it’s an option. The AM5 compatible components are still pretty expensive so building a new AM5 system is going to be pricey.
I know “future proofing” isn’t really possible, at least not long term future proofing but AM4 is essentially a dead socket. There won’t be any new motherboards or CPU’s made with AM4 sockets so you’re limited to whatever currently exists. That can mean aggressive discounts so if you want to build a very capable AM4 system, it’s totally possible and will definitely be cheaper than AM5. It would just suck to spend all of that money knowing that the only thing you’d be able to carry on to your next build would be the GPU, the case and the storage. CPU, motherboard and memory will all have to be bought new. There isn’t much of an upgrade path for a newly built AM4 machine.
Part of this whole PC gaming thing includes having to eventually bite the bullet and build an entirely new system when socket generations end and stop receiving support. If you want to board that plane early, expect to pay the first class prices. It sucks but it’s how it goes.
Thanks, you saved me a bit of typing 😎😁😎
Eh it won't be dead for the consumers. From steam charts alone, 60%+ of user base are on 1080p, 20%+ are
@@bad3ip2k10 that’s certainly true. I’m often surprised by what the steam surveys show. Tons of people are using hardware that most enthusiasts would consider ancient. I figured most of the people who watch channels and videos like this one are either enthusiasts already or are just starting out along that road so I was sort of addressing the latter. As you said, most gamers aren’t enthusiasts though. Lots of them are still playing on 10+ year old Best Buy specials so of course even AM4 may as well be space-age technology for that group of people. If I were in their shoes, I’d probably be looking for a used AM4 system.
Just spent $1800 on a 4070 ti strix and 7800x3d, and I completely agree the price is not cheap but having the platform and ability to upgrade in the future without having to only keep the gpu is a massive blessing, and considering there’s over 2 years left for am5 I’m excited to see what the future holds for this new generation
If u have a 4080/4090 a 7800x3d will bottleneck your GPU by about 10%.. IMO the 7800x3d is only good for gaming ,nothing else and i dont believe it will be future proof with only 8 cores... the 7950x3d is more expensive and slightly slower but can do more than gaming , has more cores and is future proof..
tldr-
Dude wants to say that at higher resolutions(for ppl with beafy graphic cards), the difference between the 5800x3d and 7800x3d's performance is negligible. However, at lower settings/resolutions or any other cpu bound situations the 7800x3d is better by around 12%.
I’m rocking a 5800X3d with a 7900XTX and I don’t think I could be happier I felt like bang for my Buck this is where I want to be. Thanks for helping me confirm it.
@@mrchrisbeaver definitely the trolls, my 6900xt gave me more issues. I even grabbed the hellhound and put an undervolt profile on it 68c is my average temp. I lock 60fps and let it ride it’s been greatv
@@chloescoolcreations9719 That's good to know,
Thanks
This is so weird but I play FFXIV on a 1440P UW and I'm noticing that when there's a lot of characters on screen my frame rate *does* drop. Is this the kind of thing that would be helped by the 3d cache or would this rather be a scenario more impacted by a vertical upgrade to something like a 5950X? I'm on a 5800X now.
Woudnt an intel cpu be better ? Gamer nexus showed that specifically ff14 runs really well on intel system specially the 12 and 13 gen. Not sure about 7800x3d but it should be closer than most amd cpu. Also I think ur problem is more of a gpu issue if ur not playing at 1080p. What gpu are u using ??
I think that's either GPU or engine related.
You can check you utilization charts to see what'd being maxed out, and if your cpu threads are at like 30% utilization, then you're either maxing out the GPU or the engine just can't handle it
FF14 is a MMO, more ppl on the map, means more latency. so it wont matter. you get katency from syncing all the player action.
@@Exteliongamer Oh so to answer both of you, I notice that when I'm not in a person-dense area my frames are more like 130, and that adjusting graphics settings or resolution makes zero difference. That's why I figured its a cpu issue. I'm on a 4070.
@@KingCloudsCape It is a CPU issue. There are very few test and benchmark online, but many people have tried and tested the 5800X3D on MMO and the stability in dense area tend to improve a lot.
Contrary to what was said above, CPU does a lot of the lifting in netcode, syncing and general network handling for online games. Most multiplayer games have a very small impact. MMO tend to have older engine that DO benefit from a better CPU to handle network, environment activity and consistency.
That being said, a 5800X is still a very good CPU, so don't expect absolute night and day difference with a 5800X3D. The cache will help, but the Zen 4 jump on a 7800X3D will be mostly from the better CPU. As suggested, this game runs well on Intel too, so there's that to consider.
I got my 7800x3d for 360 from a microcenter deal and tbh I’m super happy with it
I'm already on AM5 (running a 7700) and was wondering whether this would be worth it for me as I only game on my PC and would like to extend the lifespan of my computer.
Games will take more advantage of DDR5 as time progresses so while 5800X3D might make more sense now, it might not be the case next year or so.
Still, thanks for sharing your experience! Definitely good information to have.
Based on these benchmarks, it seems more like a 5800X3D build will last at least all the way to AM6 in 2027... It would make no sense for developers to not optimize for the millions more people still on systems using DDR4 for the next few years. PCIe 4.0 hasn't even been maxed out on the GPU side.
@@savagej4y241Developers do not care, and have never cared, about PCs. The consoles are 16T DDR5, everything will optimize for 16T DDR5.
@@Leo9ine There are people who use old Xeon X5670 (dirt cheap now) and other LGA1366 CPU's (which pair with DDR3 RAM) from 2010 just to see how well they run newer games. Guess what? They still work at 60+ FPS in most games released within the past few years. Check out the video on it by Tech YES City. Those are CPU's optimized for servers, they were never intended to be running games 10+ years later, yet here we are.
Its nonsense to make a blanket statement that developers do not care about the PC market. Many developers do optimize around consoles, but not all of them. And a lot of PC software still works on older hardware. The idea you must buy a new computer with DDR5 RAM because a PS5 or current Xbox uses DDR5 is just marketing BS.
@@Leo9ine The games I play are PC only.
Lol my pc is 6 years old. I still play at 2k 144hz. Not everyone build a PC every few years. Especially the unstable first gen. Early adopters tax.
Yes a CPU upgrade has diminishing returns at higher resolutions, especially with such a powerful GPU. Surprised pikachu face. Something we all knew before the 7800x3d
Trust me not enough people know this.... They think they will get the same gap in 1080p as they get in 4k but even non x3D chips perform similarly at 4k so you really are paying more for nothing
If you’re building a new system you should go with AM5. Even on a tight budget I still think you can build a very good system on the AM5 with a $150 motherboard and perhaps the 7700X and DDR5 has come down in price a lot. Better to be a bit future proof then being on an old platform that has no upgrade path. Just my thoughts
A 13700k isn't going to need an upgrade in a long, long time. Just sayin. It makes more sense to me keeping CPU and motherboard technology in lock step. I don't see the advantage of putting a "new" CPU on a motherboard from 5 years ago. The developers can't predict the future. Nor do I want to slap my new CPU onto an old motherboard. Just my thoughts.
i agree with you thats why i bought 7900 non x cpu paired with gigabyte b650 gaming x ax but im waiting for gpu price drop...currently running with old gtx 1070
B550 and a 5900x and 32 gb dd4 3600 @ 3766 just great in 1440 or 4k on the sort of cheap vs 2021 prises dirt cheap
@@auntiepha8343 my previous pc was i5 4570 4th gen almost 10 years old that's why i upgraded to new Ryzen 9 7900 nox cpu cause i make 3d and 2d animation in blender, my old CPU i5 4thgen not handling 3d rendering or editing videos in 4k. That's why i upgraded it.
@@auntiepha8343 brother is defending paying money for no real valid reason. Motherboards dont make your system any faster very often (the only times I can think of is when we get a new ram or pcie standard). There is literally 0 reason to buy a new motherboard with each upgrade if you don't have to.
I ended up paying 340$ for mine on sale the past month, upgrade from 9700k blew my mind
My mantra in building computers is to give the parts room to breath; looks kinda cramped in there :)
If the bottleneck is the GPU then wouldn't it be a good idea to have a CPU that will still pair with the next GPUs that come out? I mean, If you're spending 2 grand on a 4090, I don't think you'd be sitting around fussing over an extra $400 to have a platform that will grow with you.
This is why when I upgraded my from a 3070 Ti to a 7900 xtx for more vram for 4k gaming I stuck with my 5800x. No reason to upgrade that cpu or my platform. I will be waiting for AMD to be able to run 4 sticks of ram at full speed before I switch to DDR5 platform.
2 sticks are always better than 4 since u can push higher speeds
@@crashtestdummy87 I think they spoke of four sticks as an example of the fact that the memory controllers on am5 cpus aren't great rn. And it isn't always about pushing higher speeds. Maybe not for you but many, including myself like the aesthetics of full ram slots
@@crashtestdummy87 my man if your CPU supports quad channel it's gonna be a lot faster then running in dual channel. But the only platforms that support that now are workstation threadrippers and server chips.
@@xfy123 indeed, so he can basically wait forever
@@crashtestdummy87 you never know hedp might come back with at least quad channel support at reasonable prices if Intel makes a threadripper equivalent that can actually compeat with AMD.
Video starts at 4:00 - you're welcome.
A few arguments to consider too when building a new system instead of upgrading:
AM4 is EOL, AM5 just started, with a bit of luck you can update in the future with going for the 7800X3D route
DDR5 is going to perform better going forward when upgrading graphics card later in the future, you have to keep them fed with data somehow as they get faster.
Generally more PCI-e lanes on AM5 chipsets and CPUs across the board, useful with the move to NVME drives.
Nothing is a good enough reason to consider when merely upgrading existing systems though. With that being said I went from a 5800X3D to a 7800X3D but I am crazy. :D
Beyond that, the whole premise of the video is the relative value of the chips, and none of the pricing info is at all relevant anymore so you can't even make the same comparison he makes here.
The 5800x3d is still $300 but the 7800x3d is down to $350, the cheapest AM4 and AM5 itx boards are now $100 and $140 respectively, and the DDR4 kit in the video is down to $57 while a comparable value kit of DDR5 is $78, all based on micro center pricing.
All together, the price difference between the two setups in the video has fallen from $380 to $111, which actually feels perfectly fine when you consider that all of the components in the AM5 set up will be forward compatible while none of the components from the AM4 system will be.
$299 for the 5800. Then, when the 50 series arrives and your 5800 does become a bottleneck even at 4K, you're going to be wondering why you didn't stick with the 7800.
I wish more reviewers would include 1440p and 4k results in cpu reviews. It would help guide people on cpu upgrades and if those upgrades would actually make a difference in fps.
Hardware unboxed has a review for this. They have one for the 5800x and 3D variant too. It makes littler difference at higher resolutions in most games. Notable games it benefits are mostly games like Civ 6, Anno, and slight boost to open world games.
you don't understand that what you're asking for won't inform you of anything.
i'll explain~ FPS is a result of a combination of GPU/RAM/HD or SSD/and CPU. When you test component performance you need to "control" for "variables" in your testing. so if you want to benchmark a cpu you need to do it with a test that DOESN'T test the GPU/RAM/HD or SSD. in short, you need to find a test where the performance of those other 3 variables is uniform, predictable, and does NOT impact overall performance, and does NOT cap the upper or lower limits of your CPU test results. Following me so far?
The problem you run into is while you can control pretty easily for RAM and storage, you'll notice that graphic cards are generally the bottleneck in most games/benchmarks. This means in order to accurately test the speed/ability of a cpu you need to bench it in a situation the graphics card is NOT functioning as a bottleneck.
The easiest way to do this is to bench a game in low 720p or 1080p resolution, as the higher the resolution the more likely all you'll be benching is the graphics card.
How do i know this? because whenever you look at a FPS performance graph with 1 gpu, and many CPUs being tested, and the graph is a flat line of performance, say every cpu is showing 70FPS at 4k, then you know that what you're really seeing is the graphic card's max performance. in order to view which cpu actually is better than the others you need to see them in a situation the graphics card and other parts aren't impacting the performance.
Which is why most game benches for CPUs are in 720p/1080p, and most gpu benchmarking is done in 1440p or 4k
@@AzraelAlpha if you’re spending $450 on the cpu and $800-1600 on the gpu (which is what all these recent reviews/videos are about) you’re very least likely to be playing in 1080p
To your point it’s more niche to be playing 1080p on 240-500hz than it is to be playing 4K
HUB did a vid where they said something like look at the fps results for the cpu and gpu, the lower result will be your result.
Look at techpowerup
I'm a 1080p gal. I also build pcs for people. When someone ask me to build them one for gaming. I ask them what games they're currently playing and at what settings. I also ask them their goals that they want to achieve with a new system. These people are literally willing to pay top dollar for the best pc possible and are shocked when I point them to much more budget friendly options, like upgrading their current system. I tell them if they still want all new parts, we can do that. They only call to let me know they're super happy with the upgrades I recommended and they money they saved. You don't need a buggati to take your kids to public school.
can someone tell me why does he regret it
Upgraded from 5800x to the 7800x3d. My PC is running cooler than it was. I’m happy with my $1000 upgrade, new cpu/ram/mobo/case/psu
I dunno bout you but I’m just waiting for the video from Gamers Nexus before I buy a 7800x3D for myself. Hopefully I won’t roast any marshmallows on mine.😂
Is that a troll? didn't they do the review like 3 weeks ago? Am i getting a whoooosh?
@@PolarRed no they are about to release a video covering a 7800x3D they bought that fried itself and it’s cpu socket
@@Play3rID but that's not the review, that's just to see what went wrong, and we already know what happened!
@@PolarRed I wasn’t referring to their review but instead the burned out 7800x3D. They said in a community post that they had lots more information to divulge than is current available about what went wrong with the cpu. I just want to make sure that when I buy one it won’t spontaneously combust.
finally putting my i57600k to rest 2018-2024. the i5 was such a beast and is still able to run elden ring on high settings paired with a 2070 super. a few years have passed and time for upgrade and happy with my purchase of this new cpu.
Just avoid Asus boards that make them explode.
The issue with your argument here, is that we don't just buy a CPU to play games today. We buy a CPU to play games multiple years from now. And most people don't only have one graphics card paired with the same CPU, people tend to upgrade their graphics card. The whole point of using a graphics card like a 4090, is because in a few few generations, mid-range cards will perform like a 4090. At which point, the level of performance you are getting will become more CPU limited.
Additionally, the cross-gen period is coming to an end. We are going from the very slow Jaguar cores in 8th gen as the baseline, to the Zen 2 based CPU's in 9th gen. We're already seeing games capped at 30fps due to CPU limitations. (For example, Starfield.) CPU requirements on PC, especially if you want to keep targeting 60fps or higher, will go up significantly. And I would imagine memory bandwidth requirements going up as well.
Then there's the power efficiency difference. This thing is only hitting 40W usage in Battlefield 2042 at 120fps+. I've seen no benchmark of it going more than just a bit above 60W.
That's why investing in AM5 now over AM4 makes a lot more sense IMO. Of course, if someone is already on AM4, then getting a 5800X3D makes more sense.
Majority of gamers I know don't game a 4K, too expensive. 2K is good enought.
Microcenter has nothing good in stock for peripherals, is small and grungy, and the employees never leave me alone to browse. Everytime I go there I walk out wondering why I walked in. I then go home, do 30 mins of research, and buy whatever I wanted from Amazon, Best Buy, and Newegg.
I miss 90s-2000s era Fry's Electronics. That was a true wonderland. Hell, even 10 years ago it was pretty good.
Yeah your points are well taken... but if your build your system future proof with the right motherboard with all the Gen 5.O support. You won't be rebuilding later, whereas the 5000's series will be, to be able to get a Gen 5.0 graphics card. I think taking the bullet now rather then later... Is the wiser choice.
The only thing is that the 7th gen Ryzen's have quite superior single core performance, which will benefit you in normal PC usage beyond gaming.
Totally agree with you on the immediate value proposition of the 5800X3D vs 7800X3D. This is something I definitely contemplated for my new build. That said, I went with the AM5 platform and the 7800X3D mainly because there is a solid chance that it provides me with a drop-in upgrade path sometime in the future, if they ever come up with, say, an 8800X3D or something like that.
If this calculus holds, I should be able to keep this platform alive for longer than an AM4 build. Over the long term, this sounds like a better value proposition for me overall, even with the steeper immediate adoption cost. (a.k.a. Early Adopter Tax!)
I think it is also worth pointing out that I tend to keep my computers in good working order for a significant amout of time, so potential upgradability is important to me. I just upgraded from an i7 4770 (non-K) so I think that says a lot!
Same here. And his reasoning holds little water. First claiming there is no difference at 4K (well, it seems he does not look at 1% lows), and in the end recommending gaming at 1440P where actually the 7800X3D would make a good difference but still saying there is no difference and you should get the old CPU.
Same here. A good CPU can run for several years more than a GPU, and there will be a point in the future where CPU will be a bottleneck. 7800X3D and DDR5 are infinitely more future proof than the 5800X3D with DDR4. It also depends what type of games you play. Play some building games, MMOs (or Star Citizen, one of my main games) and you will most definitely will see the difference with the 5800X3D.
"Early adopter tax" is a money-making scheme. When AM4 launched in 2017, I got an ASRock AB350 Pro4 mobo for $35 due to a $50 off bundle deal with an R5 1600 at Microcenter. Still using that mobo today, and if I wanted could drop in my 5800X3D if so desired. Going from 2017 to 2027 and skipping AM5 entirely.
@@nossy232323 There's multiple benchmarks out there e.g. from Hardware Unboxed just a week ago showing that 7800X3D has an average of 15% better 1% lows at 1440p than the 5800X3D. Even though a system using the 7800X3D would cost well over 15% more. UFD Tech is spot on and his take is aging well.
@@drymeen The whole point of the 5800X3D is that it partially negates the impact of sticking with DDR4. Even if DDR4 is nearly half the speed of DDR5, the added L3 cache when utilized means far less communication is needed with RAM. This feature benefits 5800X3D far moreso than 7800X3D. Basically the 5800X3D is single-handedly capable of keeping AM4 viable until AM6 releases. You don't really need AM5 and this is reflected in its relatively poor sales numbers.
Something not mentioned in this video at all is future proofing. Having DDR5 memory, choosing a motherboard that supports PCIe 5.0, and and the very high likelihood that in the not so distant future, there's going to be higher performing graphics cards that will benefit from the aid of the faster PCIe lanes, and the extra CPU headroom from the 7800x3d. If cost for performance RIGHT NOW is the primary concern, then yeah, go for the 5800x3d, but how about in 2-3 years when all you have to do is upgrade a GPU for $1800, vs build a whole new PC for $4000 .... Suddenly your cost savings now doesn't outweigh the cost savings in the long term.
That being said, I've never seen your channel before, and overall, I appreciate the quality of your content, and your ability to be a free thinker and not be afraid to post a contradicting opinion to the masses. Subscribed.
5800X3D is a hell of a CPU. love how good my games run on it. gonna pair it with a 4070 soon since i have a smaller case, would love a 4080, or 4090, but a 4070 is plenty for me.
why 4070...that card is so bad for its price it doesn't make any sense
because my case can't fit a 4070ti, or any 3 fan cards. plus i don't want to change out my PSU as well. it would be way more to get another card. i have a 6700XT right now. yes a great card for gaming in terms of price to performance, but i also stream as well, and the nvidia encoder is much better compared to AMD. i'm just waiting for them to go cheaper, i don't need massive frames either since i game at 1080P.
@@DeadlyKiller54 The Intel ARC encoder is on par or better than Ampere NVENC. Basically a $120 secondary A380 completely negates the need for a new NVIDIA GPU for encoding if you have a motherboard that supports ReBAR, since ARC needs it. This of course means lane splitting, but that impact depends on your motherboard. If it has at least PCIe 4.0, then its maybe a 1%-2% performance loss with the likes of 6700 XT or RTX 4070 going from PCIe 4.0 x16 to x8. Since PCIe 4.0 x8 = PCIe 3.0 x16 in bandwidth, and current GPU's still don't max out bandwidth for PCIe 4.0 x16 anyway, especially at 1080p or 1440p, you'd probably get similar performance running programs with your 6700 XT and offloading the streaming/encoding tasks to an A380 using QuickSync as you would gaming and streaming/encoding at the same time with an RTX 4070. (Unless you want ray tracing, but a 4070 is still kind of anemic for that)
The RTX 40XX frame generation is pretty good for the games that do support it.
rx 7800xt is better and cheaper
Taking a nap, wake me up when he gets to the point.
But you are going to be able to update the CPU in a couple of years, with the 5800XD you're on an end of life platform no? that means the next upgrade is going to cost more after say 5 years, wiping out the saving you're making now.!
I disagree , i think you should always buy the cheapest cpu that doesn't bottleneck the GPU and then spend that money for better gpu , monitor or just save it up for future upgrades , buying an expensive system now means you'll just spend waay more without much of an uplfit ( as the video shows ) by 5 years ram and am5 mobo will be much more affordable and you can always sell your old parts for some more upgrade cash
Of course it all depends on the budget , if you have the cash then yes buying the newer part is better and will make future upgrades easier , otherwise i think the 5800x3d is still a much better deal especially if you already have an am4 mobo and ram
@@lynackhilou4865 Maybe where you live there is a healthy second hand used market, not the case where I live, you'd end up having to give it away, if not just trash it and not get a cent back! Also, regardless of the saving, buying AM5 you are going to get that performance increase now and be able to upgrade in the next few years, with AM4 you are stuck there, and like I say can not guarantee to offset that cost to any meaningful degree! who's seriously going to want AM4 with DDR4 5 years from now?
@@PolarRed well yeah i get your point , tbh people buy most their stuff 2nd hand in my country because we don't have official retailers and new parts are imported from other countries ( which you can just import yourself ) so prices are naturally higher .
Like i said it all depends on the budget , for someone with a 4090 it makes sense to buy the best cpu available , but if one had a 3080 or something like that , then i think it's better to stick with a 5800x3d or get a decently cheap b650m and a r5 7600 to get into the am5 platform and save up that money and get a 4070ti or rx 7900xt or something like that
It's just a decision between spend more now or spend more later. Later generations of tech are usually going to be better, and then you can keep saving for longer. So my vote is: spend more later for a better deal. AM4 is that deal right now.
@@itsJPhere I don't think that necessary makes sense to me, if my budget can allow AM5 now! Let's say I spend €800 on AM4 now (i have slower performance), then I spend €800 on AM5 in say 3/4 years, when it to is at it's end of life. I'll still have lower performance to whats available at the time I upgrade. So, total spend €1600 over say 6/7 years! On the other hand, I spend €1000 now on AM5 now and I have higher performance now! In, say 3/4 years, i buy new faster AM5 CPU at say €400, total spend €1400! and better performance over the entire lifespan! After say 6/7/8 years it's time to invest in a new platform either way, that's true, but if I got AM4 and later AM5 at end of life I wouldn't have had the same performance over the lifespan! I suppose we all have our strategies, and all are valid to each of us personally, but mine has always been not to buy the the newest top tier thing, but certainly to buy the platform with the longer lifespan, and then upgrade just the CPU later. Of course not factoring GPUs in to this, that's a whole other can of worms. And personal budget will always be the real factor, unless you're a lucky rich so and so.
I love Micro Center... I miss it ever since I moved to Tucson from Chicagoland.... Please Microcenter build a store in Tucson Arizona!!!!
You should really let the @HardwareUnboxed crew.
This basically means that if you play at 1440p or 4k there is no reason to get cpus like 7800x3d if you are coming from from cpus from about 3-4 years ago.
Right ?
So maybe "gaming cpus" should include benchmarks at 1440p and 4k, vs cpus from 3-4 years ago.
Whike i agree 1440p anf 4k benchmarks could be useful and someone should make them , i think HardwareUnboxed method is solid as well since they're trying to show the difference between the cpus which is more helpful if you upgrade the gpu and wonder what sort of performance the cpu can push and if it can handle the upgrade , although if you gonna just upgrade the cpu it's not very useful .
I've seen a guy on a cyberpunk group upgrading from a 3700x to a 7800x3d and since they were playing at 4k they got like 5 more fps
The 1080P data shows you the abosolute framerate that CPU can achieve (When the game is CPU limited)
The framerate it could achieve at 1440P and 4K is the same (If you werent GPU limited at those resolutions)
A lot of people dont realise the massive GPU demands of higher reoslutions means most of the time they aren't CPU limited there
@@Nat-yf6ff very good point , although something to mention is that some games affect the cpu as well when changing resolutions , an obvious example would be ray tracing but games like forza horizon 5 changes settings with higher resolutions thus increasing the load in somewhat of a linear fashion
I just built a new system with 7800X3D and RTX4080 and have no regrets. To put it into perspective, my last PC is a decade old and has i7 4770k and GTX 980. If you already own a 5800x3d then yes, maybe it's not worth the money to upgrade to a 7800x3d.
Am4 now is a legend.
And obselete, except 5800x3d
Holy shit man…. Wow this is a astonishing discovery. Thanks for being so up front.
I see what you mean here, but the performance difference will change over time as more games come out. I think you'll see the 7800X3D pull away more in a couple years.
Right, and in those couple years prices will plummet so when the difference starts to matter you can still upgrade for cheap.
This was my thought as well. I knew I’d sit of the AM5 board for a long time, and just wanted to future proof it as best as I could so that I can just build a whole new PC in 5 or 6 years. Seems easier to sell that way than pieced.
I figured this out early on. If you are mostly gaming at 2k or 4k the 5800X3D is going to give you 99% of the performance of the 7800X3D. Who buys a$450 CPU just to play games at 1080p? All the reviews had me scratching my head. Toot toot, all aboard the hype train!
I literally built pretty much the exact system (same case, CPU, GPU) and I have no regrets. My main reason for going with AM5 over AM4 was future proofing. I'll be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 9000 or 10000 series CPU when AM5 is on its way out and not have to build a whole new system. That was worth it to me.
8000 yes, 9k and 10k is wisfhul.
LMAO ,,, BAD , in fact REDICULOUS assumptions ,, AM5 will be continued UP TO ?
@@tilapiadave3234 AMD has said they will release new chips on the platform through at least 2025
@@Will-vj5bc YES ,, so PERHAPS two more , but AMD shills and liars will say 4 ,, ahh 5 ,, MAYBE 30 !!!!!
@@Will-vj5bc only 2025 ? I wonder if I wont keep my am4 motherboard. The 7800 would give me better performance but it needs a new motherboard and DDR5 ram so about 1500 euro vs just the price of the cpu for the 5800X3D. In 3 years maybe I'll change it for a new AM6 system
The real reason why the 7800X3D is honestly a bad buy is because its barely faster than its competitors while also being a nearly $500 on an 8 core in 2023. If you already have AM4 the 5800X3D is a no brainer, but building new, you can get a 14 core(6p+8e), 20 thread chip that murders it in productivity and total system management and is within 10 percentage points of a 7800X3D’s performance while costing around as much as a 5800X3D. Nevermind the 13700K that has 2 more p cores and 4 more threads thats within 5 percent or less performance wise of a 7800X3D in gaming while being somewhere between a 7900X and 7950X in performance and costing the same as a 7800X3D or a lot of times cheaper at around $390. Hell even the price drop of the 7950X has it stepping on the 7800X3D’s toes and while its slower in gaming it IS a better CPU overall. I just dont nearly $500 plus tax is justifiable for a predominately gaming CPU that is highly lacking in everything else for its price range. And yet these are the same people that probably were talking a lot of trash back when the 9900K was nearly $500 at a time. Mind you, at a time when the 9900K was a LOT faster than anything else on the market and it wasnt even close. Even then i think the complaints were pretty well justified, but now with another nearly $500 8 core that actually has extremely stiff competition and a core deficit for its price range, the same people are quiet
But there's also a certain emulator that requires AVX512 to perform the best that it can, and only a handful of CPUs currently on the market support that. It would be great to see what that specific emulator can do on this system that you built, considering it's heavily CPU-bottlenecked.
If it's so obscure you don't even say the name it's probably not that important.
It's RPCS3, not that obscure, really. Just wondering how it performs on this CPU.
Minus a year later. The release of this CPU was highly anticipated the downside was the ridiculously premium price. Now a year later the price is about right.
People who buy 4090's don't care about 200 or 300 dollars. I know because I'm that guy.
Even the 5700X3D at now $200 is a great option. We're currently in testing for a 5700X3D vs 7600X video for a price point comparison.
Lets hope the board doesn't burn itself and the 7800X3D 😅
Other way around actually. AM5 boards frying the CPU.
@@PJthePlayer oh, thanks, I'll change the comment
Why would you worry about 400 dollars, when your putting a 3000-dollar computer together?
The money bottleneck is on the GPU side
There's more nuance to that. As you direct people away from the 7000 series, you are directing them away from future proofing - from new standards such as PCIe 5.0, USB 4, 10gb ethernet, WiFi 6e, DDR5, ATX 3.0, etc.
Buying an entirely new system in the old generation is not a good idea.
It comes down to how often you upgrade, AM5 will be long dead the next time I upgrade so the choice between the 2 now is irrelevant to me, future proofing is a fallacy, by the time you need that stuff, it's time to upgrade anyway.
@@memitim171 A fallacy? Based on what? According to who? Don't post nonsensical misinformation on my comment when you lack basic understanding on the subject.
Neither GPUs nor SSDs currently utilize PCIe 5.0 - these platforms were designed specifically with future proofing in mind.
@@ThisIsMeArnold Based on everytime a new standard is released, according to me. 😛
Yes, the support comes first,, they can't release a PCI-E 5 GPU or SSD if there isn't a board that supports it can they? 🤪
The support has to come first, but the liklihood of you needing it before your next upgrade is miniscule, that isn't why they do it.
PCI-E 5 GPUs are a long way off, you do not need it for a GPU anytime soon and it will make almost no difference for SSDs anyway in practical terms. Don't post silly comments about "future proofing" if you don't want me to laugh at them.
imho if you have a 4090 1600-2000$USD, you have the money to go 7800x3d, it's not a question of if it's better or not but more budget wise, 7800x3d price is quite close to the 13900k too. way to close, the CPU use more watt yes but it's also way faster in application that needs it
We can blame bad optimizations for PC ports, but I am finding that CPUs are starting to bottleneck at 4k with RT on using a 4090. I saw an immense improvement going to a 13900k from a 10900k at 4k. Never have I seen such an improvement just by upgrading the CPU. It's not just about getting max fps, it significantly improved the 1% lows to give me fluid/stutter-free gameplay.
So it is too powerful. But for the price is really good these days, especially with the microcenter bundle you can get mobo + 32gb ram + 7800x3d for as low as 430 bucks, which is lower than the launch price of the cpu itself
I don't think anyone building a new computer should ever go with obsolete parts. The reason I'm buildingba new PC with a 7800X3D over say the 13900k, is because I know intel is already moving towards a new chipset, and if I ever wanna upgrade, I'd need to buy a whole new motherboard. But AM5 is AMDs newest chipset that should theoretically be supported for the next few major CPU releases, so you have a much more future proof device.
Well futur proof is having hardware for long time (5 to 10 years)... Moving cpu evry gen or consumming more product is the exact opposite of futur proof. But its of course a good and verry user friendly feature
@@jeffdrawbot7323 Exactly... The motherboard is the component that is future proof. If you want to change out CPUs you'll be fine for the foreseeable future on AM5. But Intel is moving to a new chipset, meaning if you want to upgrade, you also have to buy a new motherboard, and good mobos aren't exactly cheap.
@@TheInfiniteDraw If the platfrom is only futur proof under 6 years what the point if you choose a confortable CPU for the 6 next years? (AM4 2017-2023) My conception of futur proof is to upgrade it the less often possible, CPU includ.
You have a 4090 in there no one cares about saving 420$. Also am4 cpu and Moro and ddr5 no point of staying on the old tech when new shit is coming out. Might as well push for new mobs/cpu/ram then saving 400 now to spend it later
Very interesting. I was hoping to see some benchmarks between the 5800X3D (former? best VRChat cpu) and the 7800X3D.
Is your argument is that the 13900K is pointless as well? And 13700K? And any of the other CPUs that are faster than the 5800X3D?
If your looking at just this metric (game is the only app running, 4k, max settings, maybe even a hi-res texture pack) you can probably get away with a CPU far slower than any of those... For many titles if you load up the GPU enough the CPU is practically asleep, there are exceptions but you really need to look at your individual use cases. In this particular scenario, yes those CPUs are completely useless, they do absolutely nothing that you are actually going to notice playing these games. That doesn't mean there's no reason for them to exist, they are good in other scenarios and they will run future titles better, of course if you upgrade on the regular this is also irrelevant, but right here, right now, in these games: pointless.
Currently I believe 7800x3d is too expensive for the time being. It can still be worth it but only if you play games that are really CPU limited, like having a lot of physics and/or AI. Otherwise 7700x or 5800x3d are better value.
5800x3d is the best value high end cpu especially for someone on am4 , but a 7700x is probably a better choice for future upgradability
This is quite true! I side-graded from a 7700x to a 7800x3d and it’s a 10-15% performance difference at best. I did however want the 7800x3d because I play a v cache hungry MMO.
This is just an opinion, but I think this is sort of bad advice. If you're in for an upgrade, it's always better to push toward a newer platform if possible because of the life of the socket. Am4 supported Zen 2 all the way through the end of Zen 3... That's a 6 year life cycle on the same board... If AMD rides the AM5 socket for as long or longer than they did the AM4 socket, you're looking at 2 upgrades on the same board. You get the initial upgrade to the Am5 platform, and then you will get one more toward the end of its life. I think what you're saying is great for people who adopted AM4 early. But if they already own a later version chip, such as a Zen 3 for an example, and are looking for an upgrade, I think the additional cash for the push to AM5 is worth it, solely for the overall lifespan of the system. 5 years from now the zen 4 and Am4 socket will slowly be pushed to the backburner for more powerful AM5 chips later, and that's where the change to Am5 makes the most difference, YOu won't have to buy all new components to just change CPU's if you wish to do so on newer Zen4 chips, or even Zen 5 later down the road. While I agree that going with the 5800x3d would have been more cost effective for you right now, it wouldn't have been over an extended amount of time. Price versus cost. The price of it might be low, but how much is it going to cost you over the lifespan of the chip?
Sure AM4 / DDR4 / 5800X3D is pretty solid currently put it's not like AM5 / DDR5 / 7000 series CPU's aren't likely to have a bigger advantage going forward so it's not somehow irrational to spend a bit more money now to build a system that is solid for many years to come. Sure, $400-$500 is a lot of money for most people but when you are talking about holding on to a PC for several years in the grand scheme of things it's really not that unreasonable of an investment.
Personally, seeing as I use my PC for more than JUST "gaming" I went with the 12-core Ryzen 9 7900X which is just as good as the 7950X as well as the 5800X3D (varies a bit from game to game) at gaming while being more than capable (I don't run a business where time is so critical hence the reason I didn't get a 7950X) in non-gaming work-loads for $425 USD. Plenty of folks "game" as well as use their PC for other more CPU "core" intensive" task.
Sure the 12-core 7900X loses to the 8 core 7800X3D in certain games generally when I'm already getting like 200+FPS @1440p on my 2K -240hz monitor / RTX 4090 but the difference between getting say 200FPS vs. 220FPS is a non-issue for me personally seeing as I don't game for a living and 12 cores is very useful outside of JUST "gaming" so paying less $425 for a 12 core 7900X vs. $450 for an 8 core 7800X3D makes a lot more sense.
So if you want a CPU that is great OVERALL (Gaming + Production, etc..) the 12 core Ryzen 9 7900X at $425 is certainly one of the best deals currently. Yeah it cost more to "get in" but it's not like there are no advantages to this. Resist the "crack high" of the "current thing" mentality (meaning how it matches up TODAY only) - it WILL come back to bite you in the ass later more often than not.
Anyways, the RTX 4090 believe it or not isn't somehow "too powerful" for 1440p - It's not JUST a "4K card" as many seem to suggest. With maxed out settings + Ray tracing, etc. 1440p is more than enough to utilize the RTX 4090 while achieving far superior frame rates vs. the same settings at 4K. Personally I'd take 1440p@ 90+FPS over 4K / 60FPS any day of the week. I have both a 1440p - 240hz IPS monitor as well as a 4K -120hz - OLED - VRR LG TV - 1440p - 240hz is my preference overall with my RTX 4090 - Ryzen 9 7900X - 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz/ 30CL system.
There's also the scenario of much faster paced FPS games (240FPS+) where running at 1440p makes more sense vs. running at 4K with an RTX 4090 - This isn't just a "4K card" and this will continue to make itself more apparent in the years ahead. Overall I think the RTX 4090 is best for people who want to play the most demanding games at 1440p/90FPS+ at MAX settings w/ ray tracing and so on. I think the same will be mostly true with the RTX 4080 as well but probably not at "MAX" settings and lower FPS and to a lesser extent the RTX 4070Ti game dependent of course.
Playing on max settings just eats up performance. Custom optimized settings look similar or nearly so, yet require much less processing power. A 3060 Ti with RT reflections on but other RT settings off and upscaled to 1620p/1662p with DLSS/FSR can output 90 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077.
I love how no one mentions the high temps with 7800x3d.
A widespread problem 🤷♂️
Its not hot compared to a 13700k and others 😅
I also game at 4k with a 4090 and this is exactly what I needed that I couldn't find anywhere else. Thank you so much.