Dude that webcam footage is actually a testament to how TERRIBLE webcams are today even on expensive laptops! My $5,000 CAD Z-Book Studio G10 looks about the same as that $50 laptop.
With webcams, you are very often bandwidth limited by your internet connection, or by the conference software. Therefore having a better webcam doesn't provide that many benefits. You can get 4k webcams, but they are very expensive.
Aside from the usual "Mobile phone cameras don't work well with laptops of current design" argument that some will give, I think it's mostly just a situation where most people really don't want a huge camera lens in their face all the time; and so manufacturers are forced to deal with those small camera lenses that do work in laptops instead. If people could just get over the whole webcam size thing, we could have professional photograph grade quality webcams, without having to turn all laptops into cellular based architectures instead with ARM cpu's, and what not. They don't even need to be huge like some professional grade photo cameras and video cameras get. They just need to be big enough to do the job properly. But that would mean having a thicker laptop, with a chunkier bezel. And in our world where everything has to be smaller and thinner or no one will buy it... that just doesn't work. I.E. This is yet another problem that mostly only exists due to how stupid people are in general. But don't tell them that. They'll get offended that they're dumb.
I understand not everyone needs a high quality camera, but the amount of video calls has exploded and it would just be nice to get over that hurdle. Track pads took forever to catch up to the large glass pads on Apple and are finally now decent on most Windows laptops and great on many. It's rough though when I connect in for a virtual healthcare session and my nurse or doctor looks like a washed out, grainy 1995 CRT over the air video stream. I just think for an extra $5-20$ they could do SO much better. I think most laptop brands will just let Snapdragons do all the heavy R&D now though. What's the incentive to optimize for x86 anymore?
Hey, we are a big fan of Linus Tech Tips here at Msty and were pleasantly surprised to see Msty being used out of nowhere. Thank you for using it in your video!
I have jusy downloaded Msty and wow! Finally. And easy way into AI that I can run on my own hardware, for free! I love it. (Free for personal use that is.)
@@lvl3592 one thing to keep in mind while doing this. never underestimate the power of minecraft TNT. they can produce lag like no other game can (i have only played 3 other pc games tbh 😂😂)
Dude, that $500 PC was so impressive for it's price that I want a video solely dedicated to it. Throw in a part about where to focus for hardware upgrade to get something even better and you got a good PC at really good price.
Buy a used PC for $100-150, buy a used GPU for $350-400. Done. Be aware that in most of these videos they do not include tax and shipping. For example they'll often show a $500 PC build video but get parts from 5 different sellers and don't include the 5 different shipping fees which can easily be over $100 total. Your only hope for a true $500 PC that's actually better than expected is if you can source used parts locally. If you have to go online, your chances drop greatly because of shipping plus tax.
Why is it impressive precisely? "Budget" PCs like that always had a great value if you can stand not playing on the highest settings (used to buy them until I decided to go higher end 2 years ago, the electricity consumption and therefor spike in electricity costs honestly kind of makes me want to go back, I don't really see the point in paying 40-50% more in electricity just for playing at slightly better graphics). But like others said, 500$ often enough doesn't include shipping, always either buy them on a good online store that doesn't have weird shipping to it (well... and not in local stores, as they really like to add a "premium (I want money)" fee for it and doubling the price - differences (especially in prebuilt) can range from baseline price to double or tripple the price (my current one is a prebuilt I ordered on a good site in my country, they sold the exact same model with the same specs in a local store not too long ago as well, at around 800€ more).
@@Unknown_Genius Depending on how high end you went, you might be able to cap the frequencies and actually get lower power draw during usage. Something like X670E chipsets drawing ~15W on their own is an example of efficiency dropping off from "too" high end. Bonus is your A/C won't work as hard either.
@@mateuszstepniewski5954 the only reason would 8 bit textures perform better is because youre bottlenecked by texture animations, nowadays that isn't even a problem
I also used to have a Vaio P as my main machine, took ages to settle after boot up, even with an SSD upgrade, but I could play a PlayStation emulator on it just fine.
Linus I can send you a car model that will truly put PCs to the test for blender. I can make it so it’s all unpacked, completely non redundant parts, 4K textures for every part, the works. I could even go 8k on the body shading maps.
Llama 405b is meant to run on two server nodes with eight Nvidia H100 or Instinct MI300 each, so basically more than four times the GPU power and about eight times the VRAM.
@@yourfavoritelawnguy2722 We based applications are fine, and their main advantage is that they work on everything: windows 11, windows xp, linux, mac, android, iphone, dishwasher, etc. The problem is that (based on my experience as a web developer) they are often made by people with zero experience in programming (since javascript is so simple even a toddler can write software in it) and you end up with an application that works on everything but eats 4GB of RAM instead of 4MB that it should use. And I am not even exaggerating, I have seen applications being ported from native to mobile and those are the exact values. Communicators (slack, rocketchat, irc, etc.) used 1-10MB when native and they are using 1-4GB currently when most were ported to web SPA. Native steam was using 120MB when opened and just 400kB when minimized (eg. when you are in a game). After they moved it to web SPA it is using 873MB (just checked) when minimized. That is 873MB less available to whatever games you are running.
Yeah install llinux on that thing and use it with libreoffice. I mean, my laptop can handle google docs fine, but i'd rather use libreoffice because fuck google and fuck web based apps
Quick note to Jake: a render distance of 16 should be buttery smooth on a 12400F even in single player, I've done plenty of testing on a 5700X which should be pretty close to performance and 32 chunks is where stutters really start to become noticeable (though it's still perfectly playable until 48+ if you have sodium installed), and I'm usually running 24 with virtually zero stutters and a decently distant horizon to match.
Actually no joke, I have that exact laptop sitting in a closet from my middle school, mine's the chromebook version though, but I recognized it instantly from the swivel camera
The optimization mods they said they had in the video make Minecraft significantly more multithread friendly. That’s why the chunks were loading so fast on the workstation since optimization mods actually allow it to use all those cores. Normal Minecraft is almost single threaded though you’re right.
There are loads of mods which implement multithreaded chunk loading (which is the main performance hit of Minecraft), and they mentioned they were using a chunk optimization mod
Indeed I made a Minecraft style engine in Unity that used a compute shader to generate the chunks on the GPU (with help from Sebastian Lague's great videos). It was able to generate chunks at insane speeds, but the real bottleneck is sending that data in the GPU back to RAM which GPUs are surprisingly slow at doing as they're not really designed for that. I assume by this point at least the chunk gen in Minecraft is multi-threaded but the hitching is probably when it caches that data to disk or something similar. If it was doing no chunk gen or loading in the background it the engine could probably run on a smart fridge.
That webcam test on the $50 laptop was great. Not because it was a good result, but how close it was to modern "high end" laptops. I know gamers don't really care, but anything marketed as a business laptop needs to have a better webcam thrown in there!
Pretty sure the Qualcomm laptops with their smart phone webcams might finally motivate developing a new webcam processing chip. They all are terrible as they are all usb internally and the chip gets done once a decade.
@@blazewardog It's the same problem with dash cams...they all use the same junky parts so no matter how much you spend the results really don't change that much.
@@ZboeC5 Yep, someone just needs to make an SPI chip that isn't a part of a SOC. Then laptop makers can just use straight up phone cameras and get a massive upgrade. Or at the very least Intel/AMD should put an SPI interface on their next chipsets for laptops.
the depreciation vs performance is so drastic with the ultra high-end stuff. Our workstations for work were like $12K in 2015. A good gaming machine with a higher end 7000 series Ryzen and a mid tier RTX card can run circles around them now.
But the problem is connectivity. You're still only getting 24 usable pcie lanes off consumer cpus. For homelab purposes, I wish so much that I could just get ryzen 5/7000 series CPUs and use them instead of old enterprise equipment, but the connectivity I need for SAS cards, networking, nvme, etc, just isn't there. Not to mention the lackluster ECC support. Of course, plenty of "workstation" type tasks only need CPU power with next to no connectivity and can get by on a modern 16 core ryzen chip if they were previously getting by on dual-socket broadwell or even skylake xeons or whatever. But things fall apart if you need more than one gpu and possibly a network card, or more local nvme than the on-board motherboard slots... I just want more pcie... I need it... I crave it...
@@rawhide_kobayashi true. The workstations are dual Xeon broadwell 14-core cpus, so am able to get 56 threads going. But like you said, we just needed the cpu cores for rendering, connectivity requirements were no more than any other random desktop. My 5950X outperforms it now just going 32 threads vs 56 (that's $700 vs $4000 worth of CPU going by original pricing). And the GPUs are Quadro M5000s, which get beaten soundly by pretty much anything with and RTX in the name (at 10% the price). But yeah, for anything that needs a real amount of PCI lanes your kinda stuck. And at the end of the day those systems exist for a reason, minimal downtime and the manufacturer support that comes with it.
depends what for, just got a couple Tesla M40 cards for less than 300 total. great bang for buck as they'll run pretty much any workload even if they're a bit slow. That being said they're nearly ten years old and must've cost like 5 ot 6k a piece when they came out. For gaming it's clear you're better off with some used mid-rage stuff
@@deepblue812 I just wish HEDT wasn't ENTIRELY DEAD. Now that I'm in a point at my life where I could afford classic intel style HEDT systems, that entire product lineup doesn't exist anymore. Now it's full fat $x000 threadripper or nothing.
@@K3Techs They're more than a "bit" slow. and the bang for the buck is not actually there, particularly taking power costs into account. If you paid ~150 each for tesla m40s, you got fleeced. I'm sorry. They're "worth", like, 40 bucks max, but at this point in time they're ewaste and nobody should use them. You can get a modded 2080 TI with 22GB of memory for $500 if you actually need 12GB or greater VRAM compared to the 11GB on the regular 2080 TI... In a simple benchmark, like resnet, the tesla m40 is more than seven times slower than a 2080 TI, while using the same amount of power. if you don't need the VRAM, a regular used 2080 TI is ~$300. I have personally tested this. Unless your power is literally free, if you're doing anything with several tesla m40s for any length of time, you should have bought the single modded 2080 TI instead. even a used 3090. That's even more faster. Where did you even manage to spend that much on them? Even ebay refurbished official is only 85 bucks each, and you can get them for as little as 20 bucks. I bought a tesla m40 for some single-image superresolution stuff in 2020 and ended up never using it because the higher VRAM just *does not matter* in the face of the *massively increased speed* of newer cards for ML tasks, like my 2070 at the time.
Yeah i just built mine with a kraken 240 elite and 32g 6000 (cut corners on everything else pretty much, power supply was gigabyte 850 and case was the pop air). I managed to get it for around 2100$, and without the aio and a cheaper case i couldve built it for 1950. I don't know how they make such expensive 4090 pcs
I have 4080 super with a 5800x3d and yes, anything below a 7800x3d +4080 super is a reasonable high end gaming pc that will last you years. Might as well put that extra budget on an oled tv/monitor instead
I HAD THAT LENOVO LAPTOP! It was so slow I broke it out of frustration one day. I thought I would regret it. Buying a new laptop was one of the best things that could've happened to me.
Linus and team: you've got to add AI/ML training runs to your benchmarks, especially for the high end builds. There are so many companies and independents that spec out their machines based on how well they think they'll do in these types of tasks. Train an LLM on Wikipedia, train a UNet on ImageNet, something, anything! I'm open to work if you need help!
7:09 honestly some color adjusting in software and it would be very reasonable for a webcam (keep in mind this is with good lighting) lol I will edit this comment later I've only reached the 7 min mark. 😁
im typing this comment on a laptop i paid $100 on marketplace for its a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 and the specs are cpu - Intel Core i5-1035G1 ram- 16gb ddr4 sdram ssd- samsung 512gb nvme ssd has fingerprint reader, touchscreen and more no issues at all even the battery is still good
I think a lot of people forget how much better cheap webcams/built in webcams are with good lighting. They suck in low light. And great lighting can go a long way to helping your crappy webcam.
@@sivansharma5027 lol that may be, I generally don't use them ironically but most people just don't even consider lighting. And for webcams it can make a massive difference. People just don't realize how low the light is around them cuz ya kno, they can see, why can't the camera? Lol
Seeing quite recent hardware struggle with optimized Minecraft on lowest settings is a first Edit: I can see my comment is misunderstood. I meant the $50 laptop
@@samwilde8311 Yeah, you can always do that but here the game was optimized with mods and running on absolute lowest settings. My 2011 mid-range laptop managed mostly fine with reasonable settings at low render distances
The occasional hitching is inherent to the default java garbage collector. You can change it to Generational ZGC now and pretty much eliminate it entirely. But chunk generation is always going to be extremely expensive due to how many terrain features have been added to the game since the old days.
@@HodgePodgeProducts I meant the $50 laptop. I'm surprised a relatively recent computer runs Minecraft so poorly even given all the chances possible. My 2011 mid-range laptop run it smoothly enough at reasonable settings and low render distance. Thanks for the technical input though!
You regularly mention that we don't get a warranty with used, but here in the UK we have CEX who sell used GPUs with 24 month warranty. I bought a £50 1050ti with 2 year warranty this week!
I gotta say, even though a lot of the technical speak of parts, computers, etc. go over my head, the projects, and comparison videos like this are my favorite content out of this channel!
The way Mr Breast preached about the algorithm and how attention is the most valuable resource online and how it HAS to be exploited instead told me the future of UA-cam. Asinine, high power, high speed, high volume, ADHD -friendly- causing, lowest common denominator filth with no soul. Attention=Value is how the algorithm works and that's LAMENTABLE not something an upstanding person should adhere to. Both as creator and consumer
Apple event happening LTT: $50 vs $50,000 Computer edit: I only said this as a joke, and you are all taking it seriously like I'm some kind of hater. I don't care if you hate apple or not but stop acting like im saying apple's event is better then LTT's new video (of course its not).
Hello, can you make a video about how you use a second computer for video recording/streaming and if it is possible to do it over the network (wired or wireless) ? I like your content !
For cheap laptops, my nephew wanted to play Minecraft and I had an old laptop with a 4th gen mobile I3 in it - it barely could run at all with Windows (and barely windows 10 itself at that). Installing Linux Mint instead, with Minecraft java edition was serviceable. Lose the ability to do anything else requiring Windows, but it realistically couldn’t anyway - and we got away with a problem solved for $0.
PC part picker is such a great asset combined with a little bit of homework for putting together anything or checking a prebuilt cost benefit. Knowing where to spend and where to save is huge, especially for folks like grandparents/parents & folks who work remotely.
I do love Phanteks cases. Been running the Eclipse P350X for a few years now on my budget build. Pretty cool having a magnetic filter on top and stuff like that for the price, with some tasteful rgb
you should start again making a serie where you try to find the sweet spot in computers. it seems like latelly in the community i follow, the people think you absolutelly need a 3000$-4000$-5000$ computer setup to even play the games! i think the community need a reminder that you don't need 4k raytracing 500fps to just have fun in the games and that a good 1080p setup can look really good still for a fraction of the price of a 4k setup.
This was a great video to watch as I'm pricing out my new PC build. It's wild that with only three small changes I'm building that $5K PC for about $2100USD. The differences being a 4070Ti Super GPU and 32GB RAM and I'm going with 2TB SSD and transferring my 8TB HDD from my old PC for storing pics and docs.
practically anything can be a terminal beast? not a very impressive achievement; they're comparing them in the context of gaming and therefore you can't "call it good" if it runs a tty.
@@LoganChristianson Sorry for my bad English but I'm confused about what you meant. Are you saying $50 is not enough for the average terminal user, or that if you're a average terminal user, you probably make several thousand times more than that and will buy something better just because you can?
@@ninjadev64 I don't even get why they tested the $50 laptop in the context of gaming. It's an educational pc. It'd be like me sticking a weedwacker in a bucket with some ice cream and saying "yeah it doesn't make a very good blender"
15:59 "one for each day of the year"? So that AI was trained on data from an exoplanet, as I think I recall one year to have 365 or 366 days (depending on what february it has).
20:40 Minecraft is a CPU-based game that runs on a single thread. Running a single thread game on a threadripper is like running with roller blades. Theoretically the wheels can move faster than your feet, but its so oddly distributed among a bunch of highly specialized, small rolling wheels that you're gonna just end up going slower in the long run.
Yes! Old computers are great for windows keys Unfortunately sometimes it’s locked to the device manufacturer, though. I’ve run into cases where it only works on say an HP or something
it is awesome that you guys talk up the $500 dollar pcs. so many people always yearn for the latest and greatest but its NOT NECESSARY for 99% of people. just like scrapyard wars does such a great job showing how you can build a great pc on a shoestring budget
21:10 fun fact, at this point you're not cpu limited, nor gpu limited, you're not hardware limited at all, you're pretty much software limited as the JVM is just the limiting factor
Theres a mod for minecraft fabric called Nvidium that uses mesh shaders instead of what minecraft normally uses which means it renders chunks faster and with a mod called "bobby" you can increase the max render distance to insane amounts the limit being your gpu power and vram. Id love to see that $50K workstation or something like it do some of that.
Yup with nvidium you can set render distance over 200 chunks. Gotta have a ton of memory tho last time I tried it reached 9GB. Performance mods in 2024 are crazy
A fully spec'd Mac Studio can easily run the Lama 405B without any issues, and I recommend the Mac due to its powerful SoC architecture. However, if you're not focused on AI tasks or app development, and don't need Xcode for compiling, a gaming PC would be a better choice for your needs.
That's the thing with LLMs in OLLAMA, they take a while to analyze the message and then when the "autocorrect on steroids" part kicks in it becomes quite a bit faster as it has less calculating to do vor visible progress.
The fact that a 50,000 PC isn’t even the most expensive build Linus has ever built is actually crazy
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Does the $1 Million Server count here?
But the 100,000 pc is the normal 4090 and stuff it 90% of the budget was cooling and peripherals
Dude that webcam footage is actually a testament to how TERRIBLE webcams are today even on expensive laptops! My $5,000 CAD Z-Book Studio G10 looks about the same as that $50 laptop.
That's why big streamers use dlsr cameras.
With webcams, you are very often bandwidth limited by your internet connection, or by the conference software. Therefore having a better webcam doesn't provide that many benefits.
You can get 4k webcams, but they are very expensive.
Aside from the usual "Mobile phone cameras don't work well with laptops of current design" argument that some will give, I think it's mostly just a situation where most people really don't want a huge camera lens in their face all the time; and so manufacturers are forced to deal with those small camera lenses that do work in laptops instead.
If people could just get over the whole webcam size thing, we could have professional photograph grade quality webcams, without having to turn all laptops into cellular based architectures instead with ARM cpu's, and what not.
They don't even need to be huge like some professional grade photo cameras and video cameras get. They just need to be big enough to do the job properly.
But that would mean having a thicker laptop, with a chunkier bezel.
And in our world where everything has to be smaller and thinner or no one will buy it... that just doesn't work.
I.E. This is yet another problem that mostly only exists due to how stupid people are in general. But don't tell them that. They'll get offended that they're dumb.
I understand not everyone needs a high quality camera, but the amount of video calls has exploded and it would just be nice to get over that hurdle. Track pads took forever to catch up to the large glass pads on Apple and are finally now decent on most Windows laptops and great on many.
It's rough though when I connect in for a virtual healthcare session and my nurse or doctor looks like a washed out, grainy 1995 CRT over the air video stream. I just think for an extra $5-20$ they could do SO much better.
I think most laptop brands will just let Snapdragons do all the heavy R&D now though. What's the incentive to optimize for x86 anymore?
Well yeah, *you* try fitting a high quality camera into the thickness of ~5 millimeters. My Surface Pro 4 has an amazing webcam for example.
Hey, we are a big fan of Linus Tech Tips here at Msty and were pleasantly surprised to see Msty being used out of nowhere. Thank you for using it in your video!
love your software!
I have jusy downloaded Msty and wow! Finally. And easy way into AI that I can run on my own hardware, for free! I love it. (Free for personal use that is.)
I found out about and downloaded your app because of this video. Now I just need to figure out how to use AI in general....
@@MrMacMan23that doesnt work anymore
I just got a blessing from your LLM to start, after putting it in existential crisis. Thanks.
Thats not how you test minecraft, You make a superflat world with 50 layers of TNT and blow them up. The true test of a computers capability...
@@kshitijlahoti8725 my 10 core intel with 32 gugs of ram could do that like nothing
so a $50 pipe bomb
@@lvl3592 10 core intel 😱
@@lvl3592 minecraft is a single core game, 10 cores ain’t gonna do much other than stop chrome from bloating your pc.
@@lvl3592 one thing to keep in mind while doing this. never underestimate the power of minecraft TNT. they can produce lag like no other game can (i have only played 3 other pc games tbh 😂😂)
That laptop literally costs less than their screwdriver. Crazy to think about.
@@Bizub4 You are correct.
Used laptop
listen its a nice screwdriver
Dude that 50$ laptop camera is actually nuts
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Better than cameras on some recent Macbooks
That was its selling point.
I actually used that very laptop in highschool holy shit
And mine was before they put the skins on it and I definitely filled in every single square inch of that computer in pencil lead
Dude, that $500 PC was so impressive for it's price that I want a video solely dedicated to it. Throw in a part about where to focus for hardware upgrade to get something even better and you got a good PC at really good price.
Change to to a 12100f and it might actually be $500
Buy a used PC for $100-150, buy a used GPU for $350-400. Done.
Be aware that in most of these videos they do not include tax and shipping. For example they'll often show a $500 PC build video but get parts from 5 different sellers and don't include the 5 different shipping fees which can easily be over $100 total.
Your only hope for a true $500 PC that's actually better than expected is if you can source used parts locally. If you have to go online, your chances drop greatly because of shipping plus tax.
Why is it impressive precisely?
"Budget" PCs like that always had a great value if you can stand not playing on the highest settings (used to buy them until I decided to go higher end 2 years ago, the electricity consumption and therefor spike in electricity costs honestly kind of makes me want to go back, I don't really see the point in paying 40-50% more in electricity just for playing at slightly better graphics).
But like others said, 500$ often enough doesn't include shipping, always either buy them on a good online store that doesn't have weird shipping to it (well... and not in local stores, as they really like to add a "premium (I want money)" fee for it and doubling the price - differences (especially in prebuilt) can range from baseline price to double or tripple the price (my current one is a prebuilt I ordered on a good site in my country, they sold the exact same model with the same specs in a local store not too long ago as well, at around 800€ more).
@@clintonleonard5187 Australia all taxes have to be included in the advertised price
I don't know why anyone would do it differently
@@Unknown_Genius Depending on how high end you went, you might be able to cap the frequencies and actually get lower power draw during usage. Something like X670E chipsets drawing ~15W on their own is an example of efficiency dropping off from "too" high end. Bonus is your A/C won't work as hard either.
I used to have a terrible laptop with like 2gb ram and an atom cpu, to play minecraft I used to download like 8bit texture packs. Worked like a dream
@@mateuszstepniewski5954 lowering texture resolution no longer does anything for performance in the modern MC engine.
@@HodgePodgeProducts yeah, they said used to, possibly a netbook from 2008 ish era being used in 2014-15's.
how to run minecraft on a dogshit computer. the only thing i learned in highschool
@@mateuszstepniewski5954 the only reason would 8 bit textures perform better is because youre bottlenecked by texture animations, nowadays that isn't even a problem
I also used to have a Vaio P as my main machine, took ages to settle after boot up, even with an SSD upgrade, but I could play a PlayStation emulator on it just fine.
All I learned is that you need to spend at least $5,000 if you want your computer to be capable of writing haikus
that's pretty funny, bro. underrated comment
5k to write, 1M dolar to learn
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@@nRuaif learning for a year
mines only $1,500 and almost better than the $50,000 one
Linus I can send you a car model that will truly put PCs to the test for blender.
I can make it so it’s all unpacked, completely non redundant parts, 4K textures for every part, the works.
I could even go 8k on the body shading maps.
Llama 405b is meant to run on two server nodes with eight Nvidia H100 or Instinct MI300 each, so basically more than four times the GPU power and about eight times the VRAM.
"Google Docs is fine" never underestimate the performance costs of a badly overloaded Singlepage Application...
I find the proliferation of web-based applications disturbing.
@@abcpea its terrible and it needs to stop
@@yourfavoritelawnguy2722 We based applications are fine, and their main advantage is that they work on everything: windows 11, windows xp, linux, mac, android, iphone, dishwasher, etc.
The problem is that (based on my experience as a web developer) they are often made by people with zero experience in programming (since javascript is so simple even a toddler can write software in it) and you end up with an application that works on everything but eats 4GB of RAM instead of 4MB that it should use.
And I am not even exaggerating, I have seen applications being ported from native to mobile and those are the exact values.
Communicators (slack, rocketchat, irc, etc.) used 1-10MB when native and they are using 1-4GB currently when most were ported to web SPA.
Native steam was using 120MB when opened and just 400kB when minimized (eg. when you are in a game). After they moved it to web SPA it is using 873MB (just checked) when minimized. That is 873MB less available to whatever games you are running.
Yeah install llinux on that thing and use it with libreoffice.
I mean, my laptop can handle google docs fine, but i'd rather use libreoffice because fuck google and fuck web based apps
the logistics company i work for uses docs for everything...shits barely usable its so unstable when loaded
17:02 - Jake blink twice if you need rescue.
bro got a heart from ltt...
@@illuminoeye_gamingohhh yeahhhh
he did this to himself
to* be* rescued*.
Honestly the $500 was hella good. Also wow on that $50 webcam, absolutely superb.
I bought 6600s and 6600XTs for mining and I love them. Super efficient, super quiet, and super cool. Hardly goes over 50 degrees on kapow.
Quick note to Jake: a render distance of 16 should be buttery smooth on a 12400F even in single player, I've done plenty of testing on a 5700X which should be pretty close to performance and 32 chunks is where stutters really start to become noticeable (though it's still perfectly playable until 48+ if you have sodium installed), and I'm usually running 24 with virtually zero stutters and a decently distant horizon to match.
Had a 48 core machine as a desktop for a while, it taught me that there's nothing more frustrating than waiting for single threaded processes.
Schools: 50$ computer? Well take your entire stock.
*insert* "Take your entire stock" meme xD
Actually no joke, I have that exact laptop sitting in a closet from my middle school, mine's the chromebook version though, but I recognized it instantly from the swivel camera
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I mean if I had to buy them by the thousands
why would you need anything better than $50 laptop to learn to type on a word processor?
6:20 although linus has this big youtube channel but still excited over getting free lunch is what excites me to watch this channel all the time 😂
Moral of the story: no money can compensate skill issues
21:10 Minecraft is hardly multithreaded at all. They’ve only recently started multithreading things, and only a few things at that.
From my knowledge it only runs off of 1 core (I last checked in like idk 2016 or 17)
The optimization mods they said they had in the video make Minecraft significantly more multithread friendly. That’s why the chunks were loading so fast on the workstation since optimization mods actually allow it to use all those cores.
Normal Minecraft is almost single threaded though you’re right.
Yep Java MC is old, if it was actually set up for multicore that Threadripper would have 100k fps.
There are loads of mods which implement multithreaded chunk loading (which is the main performance hit of Minecraft), and they mentioned they were using a chunk optimization mod
Indeed I made a Minecraft style engine in Unity that used a compute shader to generate the chunks on the GPU (with help from Sebastian Lague's great videos). It was able to generate chunks at insane speeds, but the real bottleneck is sending that data in the GPU back to RAM which GPUs are surprisingly slow at doing as they're not really designed for that.
I assume by this point at least the chunk gen in Minecraft is multi-threaded but the hitching is probably when it caches that data to disk or something similar. If it was doing no chunk gen or loading in the background it the engine could probably run on a smart fridge.
maybe with that $50,000 Computer you could play Cities Skylines 2 at 1080p medium settings above 30 fps
And the same fps at 4k, because you're CPU limited anyways
come back in 10 yrs for a new build if u want to run THAT smoothly!
let's goo
Or possibly kerbal space programme 2. Might as well try now since theyve already killed the game
50k pc isnt even meant for gaming it was running minecraft 300 fps at normal graphics while a 500$ one can run it at 2000 fps
That webcam test on the $50 laptop was great. Not because it was a good result, but how close it was to modern "high end" laptops.
I know gamers don't really care, but anything marketed as a business laptop needs to have a better webcam thrown in there!
Pretty sure the Qualcomm laptops with their smart phone webcams might finally motivate developing a new webcam processing chip. They all are terrible as they are all usb internally and the chip gets done once a decade.
@@blazewardog It's the same problem with dash cams...they all use the same junky parts so no matter how much you spend the results really don't change that much.
@@ZboeC5 Yep, someone just needs to make an SPI chip that isn't a part of a SOC. Then laptop makers can just use straight up phone cameras and get a massive upgrade. Or at the very least Intel/AMD should put an SPI interface on their next chipsets for laptops.
Close to high end laptops?
It was close to the professional video camera they used to make that clip.
My Ps4 heard the fans spinning and it went finally a worthy opponent
0:26 was personal
20:00 Kudos to the editor for the rich laugh meme edit, hilarious.
Ikr
Ezactly y i watch ltt
the depreciation vs performance is so drastic with the ultra high-end stuff. Our workstations for work were like $12K in 2015. A good gaming machine with a higher end 7000 series Ryzen and a mid tier RTX card can run circles around them now.
But the problem is connectivity. You're still only getting 24 usable pcie lanes off consumer cpus. For homelab purposes, I wish so much that I could just get ryzen 5/7000 series CPUs and use them instead of old enterprise equipment, but the connectivity I need for SAS cards, networking, nvme, etc, just isn't there. Not to mention the lackluster ECC support. Of course, plenty of "workstation" type tasks only need CPU power with next to no connectivity and can get by on a modern 16 core ryzen chip if they were previously getting by on dual-socket broadwell or even skylake xeons or whatever. But things fall apart if you need more than one gpu and possibly a network card, or more local nvme than the on-board motherboard slots... I just want more pcie... I need it... I crave it...
@@rawhide_kobayashi true. The workstations are dual Xeon broadwell 14-core cpus, so am able to get 56 threads going. But like you said, we just needed the cpu cores for rendering, connectivity requirements were no more than any other random desktop. My 5950X outperforms it now just going 32 threads vs 56 (that's $700 vs $4000 worth of CPU going by original pricing). And the GPUs are Quadro M5000s, which get beaten soundly by pretty much anything with and RTX in the name (at 10% the price). But yeah, for anything that needs a real amount of PCI lanes your kinda stuck. And at the end of the day those systems exist for a reason, minimal downtime and the manufacturer support that comes with it.
depends what for, just got a couple Tesla M40 cards for less than 300 total. great bang for buck as they'll run pretty much any workload even if they're a bit slow. That being said they're nearly ten years old and must've cost like 5 ot 6k a piece when they came out. For gaming it's clear you're better off with some used mid-rage stuff
@@deepblue812 I just wish HEDT wasn't ENTIRELY DEAD. Now that I'm in a point at my life where I could afford classic intel style HEDT systems, that entire product lineup doesn't exist anymore. Now it's full fat $x000 threadripper or nothing.
@@K3Techs They're more than a "bit" slow. and the bang for the buck is not actually there, particularly taking power costs into account. If you paid ~150 each for tesla m40s, you got fleeced. I'm sorry. They're "worth", like, 40 bucks max, but at this point in time they're ewaste and nobody should use them. You can get a modded 2080 TI with 22GB of memory for $500 if you actually need 12GB or greater VRAM compared to the 11GB on the regular 2080 TI... In a simple benchmark, like resnet, the tesla m40 is more than seven times slower than a 2080 TI, while using the same amount of power. if you don't need the VRAM, a regular used 2080 TI is ~$300. I have personally tested this. Unless your power is literally free, if you're doing anything with several tesla m40s for any length of time, you should have bought the single modded 2080 TI instead. even a used 3090. That's even more faster. Where did you even manage to spend that much on them? Even ebay refurbished official is only 85 bucks each, and you can get them for as little as 20 bucks. I bought a tesla m40 for some single-image superresolution stuff in 2020 and ended up never using it because the higher VRAM just *does not matter* in the face of the *massively increased speed* of newer cards for ML tasks, like my 2070 at the time.
20:48 minecraft runs 90% of the game on a single core, so you're limited to whatever the IPC is of the CPU
21:18 the fan speed difference with the render distance is wild 😂😂
The 50$ laptop might be great for OBD 2 dongles. Actually a video on laptops for car technicians would be useful for some people.
AI: Why do I exist?
Linus: Write me a haiku about how beautiful I am.
*writes haiku*
Linus: "that's not a haiku"
Please tell me God didn't create human for these tasks....
@@yusinwu
Human: Why do I exist?
God: Sing me a song about how awesome I am
Yep, we just made a whole loop back to the beginning
@@hubertnnn praise the Lord! How great is our God! Sing with me how great is our God!
😂
14:00 4080 Super and 7800X3D with 32GB RAM and you are below 2500$. That is a reasonable high-end gaming PC.
Yeah i just built mine with a kraken 240 elite and 32g 6000 (cut corners on everything else pretty much, power supply was gigabyte 850 and case was the pop air). I managed to get it for around 2100$, and without the aio and a cheaper case i couldve built it for 1950. I don't know how they make such expensive 4090 pcs
Yep, the rest of the investment should go into the monitor.
I have 4080 super with a 5800x3d and yes, anything below a 7800x3d +4080 super is a reasonable high end gaming pc that will last you years. Might as well put that extra budget on an oled tv/monitor instead
That's not high-end gaming PC, that's a budget gaming PC.
@@artce Delusional
4:45 gave me flashbacks to my Acer aspire from like 2009 playing modded Minecraft at lowest render distance and 22fps.
19:37 Now, that is a jet engine!
21:17 ready for takeoff
22:18 There's a F-35 taking off a runway.
2:37 I'm disappointed not to see stats for nerds on
lol
I HAD THAT LENOVO LAPTOP! It was so slow I broke it out of frustration one day. I thought I would regret it. Buying a new laptop was one of the best things that could've happened to me.
Linus and team: you've got to add AI/ML training runs to your benchmarks, especially for the high end builds. There are so many companies and independents that spec out their machines based on how well they think they'll do in these types of tasks. Train an LLM on Wikipedia, train a UNet on ImageNet, something, anything! I'm open to work if you need help!
The fans on the Threadripper workstation ramping up & down throughout the test telling us how much it's working hard is rather funny
It sounded like a 747 taking off.
I'm glad the one's we've got in our render farm are based 22 miles away from the office.
LOL. I have a threadripper system and its SO TRUE!! :-D
fr tho
@@techwolflupindo My ThinkStation P620 is actually pretty silent.
$50 for a computer is actually crazy
todays $
Not really
Not really, you can get a rasberry pi that performs better than that laptop for the same price
@@pneumaofficial9581 you can get a dell optiplex that will blow both out of the water for 20
Finally jumping on the trend! Low vs High! Love to see it.
6:47 made me spit my food out. “ it doesn’t look that bad” yet my ears are now bleeding
7:09 honestly some color adjusting in software and it would be very reasonable for a webcam (keep in mind this is with good lighting) lol I will edit this comment later I've only reached the 7 min mark. 😁
im typing this comment on a laptop i paid $100 on marketplace for its a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 and the specs are
cpu - Intel Core i5-1035G1
ram- 16gb ddr4 sdram
ssd- samsung 512gb nvme ssd
has fingerprint reader, touchscreen and more
no issues at all even the battery is still good
10:53 "what you see, is what you get"
0:41 Linus, you sly dog, you got me. I didn't expect that segue.
19:36 Casually turning on a jet turbine as a computer. 🤣
with the sound effect, even the 50€ PC feels like a rocket! 😅
It's like the 747 from GTA 5
Still not as loud as my ps4 slim lol
Turbo engine
6:47 "It's not really saturated" I mean if you're talking about the image you're right, but the sound really got that FATURAFION
6:27 THIS is how Linus became a rich ceo
14:46 the most canadian way to play
5:57 no, this is one of those situations where it's supposed to be measured in seconds per frame
Did he just headshot somebody at 5 fps?!
Yes and 5 is generous. It was close to being measured in seconds per frame.
The power of lunch bets.
That was actually the smoothest segway into a sponser I’ve ever seen on this channel
Jake: It is a workstation.
Linus: (trips it on its base) And now it is a server.
I laught so hard on this part. :D
I think a lot of people forget how much better cheap webcams/built in webcams are with good lighting. They suck in low light. And great lighting can go a long way to helping your crappy webcam.
I agree, but also... Modern webcams on laptops are so hopeless that adding better lighting is like trying to polish a turd XD
@@sivansharma5027 lol that may be, I generally don't use them ironically but most people just don't even consider lighting. And for webcams it can make a massive difference. People just don't realize how low the light is around them cuz ya kno, they can see, why can't the camera? Lol
Seeing quite recent hardware struggle with optimized Minecraft on lowest settings is a first
Edit: I can see my comment is misunderstood. I meant the $50 laptop
yeah, it's a java issue with cpus. I'd assume it does best on cpus with better single core performance
Every computer I have ever owned has been brought to its knees by Minecraft
@@samwilde8311 Yeah, you can always do that but here the game was optimized with mods and running on absolute lowest settings. My 2011 mid-range laptop managed mostly fine with reasonable settings at low render distances
The occasional hitching is inherent to the default java garbage collector. You can change it to Generational ZGC now and pretty much eliminate it entirely. But chunk generation is always going to be extremely expensive due to how many terrain features have been added to the game since the old days.
@@HodgePodgeProducts I meant the $50 laptop. I'm surprised a relatively recent computer runs Minecraft so poorly even given all the chances possible. My 2011 mid-range laptop run it smoothly enough at reasonable settings and low render distance. Thanks for the technical input though!
That small bit of music at 26:06
22:17 Those threadripper is going super saiyan transformation
19:50 Do Canadians just walk around with $100 (US Dollar) bills?
Depends on the Canadian. If they are they type of Canadian who is a multi-millionaire, then they probably do.
They have it in case an american needs help
That $50k computer is one of those I'd like to take back in time a decade at a time to just show people like Turing, just how nuts things get.
They wouldn't know what to do with all that compute power XD
It'd take a few years to get to the point where they can use those 96 cores and 512GB RAM
You regularly mention that we don't get a warranty with used, but here in the UK we have CEX who sell used GPUs with 24 month warranty.
I bought a £50 1050ti with 2 year warranty this week!
That' pretty amazing!
Nice, I got a $50 RX480 4GB. Enough to do light to moderate gaming.
I gotta say, even though a lot of the technical speak of parts, computers, etc. go over my head, the projects, and comparison videos like this are my favorite content out of this channel!
Come on editor, you could've lined up Linus' hands with the coloring of the CPU modules, he did a clear order, OCD can't let this go. 21:00
Beastification of LTT
Mr Be🤮st
The way Mr Breast preached about the algorithm and how attention is the most valuable resource online and how it HAS to be exploited instead told me the future of UA-cam.
Asinine, high power, high speed, high volume, ADHD -friendly- causing, lowest common denominator filth with no soul.
Attention=Value is how the algorithm works and that's LAMENTABLE not something an upstanding person should adhere to.
Both as creator and consumer
@@Reac2 There’s grass outside, waiting to be touched.
Dosen't brother me as long as it is the Beastie Boys type of beastification...
Alternate title: school computer vs 5000$ pc
Apple event happening
LTT: $50 vs $50,000 Computer
edit: I only said this as a joke, and you are all taking it seriously like I'm some kind of hater. I don't care if you hate apple or not but stop acting like im saying apple's event is better then LTT's new video (of course its not).
@@delta_cosmic didn't even know there was an event must be that irrelevant
@@Four_rl Slight changes made for a NEW SERIES 10 APPLE WATCH 😲😳
There is an apple event!?
Who cares about an Apple event?
well who cares about apple?
10:53 The sound effect that was used here for perfect
Hello, can you make a video about how you use a second computer for video recording/streaming and if it is possible to do it over the network (wired or wireless) ? I like your content !
19:59 this should be enough for 3 Google Chrome tabs
calm down, you need at least 750 GB of ram for 3 tabs, this one has only 512.
22:12 the fans lol
@@moarfizz they sound like snowspeeders from Star Wars
For cheap laptops, my nephew wanted to play Minecraft and I had an old laptop with a 4th gen mobile I3 in it - it barely could run at all with Windows (and barely windows 10 itself at that). Installing Linux Mint instead, with Minecraft java edition was serviceable.
Lose the ability to do anything else requiring Windows, but it realistically couldn’t anyway - and we got away with a problem solved for $0.
nah wine is working pretty well with a lot of windows programs. I wish they had installed linux just for comparision how bad windows really is
Yeah, tons of ppl would be better served with a Linux cheapo laptop... That's why Chromebook actually
Something was wrong with it. 4th gen i3 u (haswell ULT) run Minecraft just fine at 45+ fps on 1366x768
PC part picker is such a great asset combined with a little bit of homework for putting together anything or checking a prebuilt cost benefit. Knowing where to spend and where to save is huge, especially for folks like grandparents/parents & folks who work remotely.
I do love Phanteks cases. Been running the Eclipse P350X for a few years now on my budget build. Pretty cool having a magnetic filter on top and stuff like that for the price, with some tasteful rgb
I would have liked seeing how Libre Office ran on the $50 machine.
it runs okay on my 2014 laptop, has similar specs
Probably done elsewhere, but it would be nice to see a $250, $500, $750, $1000, $1500, $2000 used PC comparison.
23:18 Now we want to know who you wanted to compare to mkbhd
you should start again making a serie where you try to find the sweet spot in computers. it seems like latelly in the community i follow, the people think you absolutelly need a 3000$-4000$-5000$ computer setup to even play the games! i think the community need a reminder that you don't need 4k raytracing 500fps to just have fun in the games and that a good 1080p setup can look really good still for a fraction of the price of a 4k setup.
This was a great video to watch as I'm pricing out my new PC build. It's wild that with only three small changes I'm building that $5K PC for about $2100USD. The differences being a 4070Ti Super GPU and 32GB RAM and I'm going with 2TB SSD and transferring my 8TB HDD from my old PC for storing pics and docs.
Slap Arch on that laptop and call it good. Maybe not for gaming but definitely a terminal beast.
If you're working in a terminal, you're not looking for a $50 netbook.
practically anything can be a terminal beast? not a very impressive achievement; they're comparing them in the context of gaming and therefore you can't "call it good" if it runs a tty.
@@LoganChristianson Sorry for my bad English but I'm confused about what you meant. Are you saying $50 is not enough for the average terminal user, or that if you're a average terminal user, you probably make several thousand times more than that and will buy something better just because you can?
@@ninjadev64 I don't even get why they tested the $50 laptop in the context of gaming. It's an educational pc. It'd be like me sticking a weedwacker in a bucket with some ice cream and saying "yeah it doesn't make a very good blender"
@@oalfodr More the second thing, though not necessarily because you're hypothetically rich enough.
15:59 "one for each day of the year"? So that AI was trained on data from an exoplanet, as I think I recall one year to have 365 or 366 days (depending on what february it has).
16:38 'it's a Server'
Thank you so much for adding the performance mods to minecraft I am so happy now
20:40 Minecraft is a CPU-based game that runs on a single thread. Running a single thread game on a threadripper is like running with roller blades. Theoretically the wheels can move faster than your feet, but its so oddly distributed among a bunch of highly specialized, small rolling wheels that you're gonna just end up going slower in the long run.
Does everyone in LTT laughs like that? 23:54
The $50 laptop might actually be a good way to get a Windows license for cheap.
Yes! Old computers are great for windows keys
Unfortunately sometimes it’s locked to the device manufacturer, though. I’ve run into cases where it only works on say an HP or something
MAS
I've pulled windows keys from multiple laptops, including HP laptops, I never had any issues with it.
IDK if OEM locks are still a strictly enforced.
Just get one for like £2.70 online,
Even cheaper just run a command in powershell to activate windows@@British_Tanker.
Jake looks so smug with himself at 17:00 😂😂
Also you guys should use nvidium for Minecraft as well as Bobby and c2me
it is awesome that you guys talk up the $500 dollar pcs. so many people always yearn for the latest and greatest but its NOT NECESSARY for 99% of people. just like scrapyard wars does such a great job showing how you can build a great pc on a shoestring budget
21:10 fun fact, at this point you're not cpu limited, nor gpu limited, you're not hardware limited at all, you're pretty much software limited as the JVM is just the limiting factor
I can't wait for whatever they have in the works currently, some of the recent vids felt like a bit of a filler due to delays in other projects.
10:43 Linus Rage Tips
6:38 now zoomers and alphas can understand where the millennial pause comes from
Theres a mod for minecraft fabric called Nvidium that uses mesh shaders instead of what minecraft normally uses which means it renders chunks faster and with a mod called "bobby" you can increase the max render distance to insane amounts the limit being your gpu power and vram. Id love to see that $50K workstation or something like it do some of that.
Yup with nvidium you can set render distance over 200 chunks. Gotta have a ton of memory tho last time I tried it reached 9GB. Performance mods in 2024 are crazy
Also distant horizons
A fully spec'd Mac Studio can easily run the Lama 405B without any issues, and I recommend the Mac due to its powerful SoC architecture. However, if you're not focused on AI tasks or app development, and don't need Xcode for compiling, a gaming PC would be a better choice for your needs.
I liked the summery at the end. Really put a bow on top of this amazing video. Love the videos!
Also, it's not just $50K for the HW, the power it burns is also surreal.
That's the thing with LLMs in OLLAMA, they take a while to analyze the message and then when the "autocorrect on steroids" part kicks in it becomes quite a bit faster as it has less calculating to do vor visible progress.
mr beast lookin ahh preview💀
Ngl, that segue was smooth af.
Thanks for this video. It helps alot
50$ Linus vs 50000$ linus
50$ hair dye vs 50000$ dye
id pay to see that