Thanks for the great video! I prefer the older model given its subdial/dial proportion is closer to the original design. The newer model looks more modern and impactful but deviates more from the vintage design. In summary, changes mentioned include: 1. Bigger and deeper subdials with more pronounced concentric rings 2. Date window position 3. Logo 4. Text 5. 3 6 9 position indices and lume 6. Tip of the chrono hand does not have the arrow 7. Strap taper 8. Bezel edge is smoother 9. Crown and pushers are bigger with shape change 10. Rotor shape change 11. Dimensions slightly change (mostly -0.5mm thickness) 12. Case sides are brushed Changes missed but I can tell include: 13. The tachymeter was removed!! This is why the dial has more real estate to make other elements bigger 14. The white ring of the slide ruler is flatter. The older model sinks in deeper, give the dial more depth overall 15. Crystal is more domed on the new model 16. All hour indices are actually slightly bigger on the new model, the 12 o'clock being the most obvious 17. Chrono hand counter weight changed from a B+anchor logo to straight
Err… also one has a sapphire display caseback and the other a temperature conversion on a solid case back. This way when your watch fills with water you don’t have to shake it to find out. Really needs 100m. Yeah, if your plane is taking a swim your wrist watch is the least of your problems but you might stick it on a bracelet and jump in the pool or lake one day and think, oh sheeit!
Looks better to be honest but I may get the older if I get a very good discount . In malaysia they offered me 25 per cent on retail for the old one last year but didn’t buy it
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I love the cleaner, more legible look of the new model, it's more suitable for actual cockpit use. Getting rid of the tachymeter scale allows for the significantly larger subdials. Black pointers vice highly polished ones was a good change too, although a rather obvious one. I also like the less shiny, dual finished case. It seems like Breitling met with some pilots who use Navitimers to discuss design improvements. They pretty much nailed it. After watching your informative video, I will say that if I was a pilot who wears a Navitimer inflight, I would exchange my older 41mm model (the one with the "B" logo) for the new one in a heartbeat. Thanks.
Also love the new model. I have 3 Navis. A 70’s 806, which to me looks very close to the newer ones including the flat appearing outer ring. A shiny blue 2017 model which I love and a 1461 with a silver face. This last one is way too big and heavy in general but my most complex watch so it stays. Love the new straps too. I really like the 41 in green. Just a little too expensive imo
Wanted to add that I am a pilot and I dont think anyone really use a slide rule in a plane anymore. You will certainly be lost somewhere in complex airspace with that. Garmin is much more helpful but in a pinch you can calculate stuff if you dont have a real E6B and no instruments works, meaning it is anyway time to find a runway and stay put.
The deployant clasps are different. With the old one the tip of the strap folds in on the inside, with the new one it folds on the outside and needs to be tucked into the loops. I prefer the older as it has a one step closure.
I think I do prefer the old navitimer here and am actually looking to purchase that exact 43mm model in this video as my first luxury watch. Hoping to have enough saved up by the end of the summer and you can get more of a discount on the old one. Also not having the tachymeter scale is a big turn off. I do like the exhibition caseback though.
Well this is really not the old navitimer. Its the one with the B logo. The gold wing logo is even older and finding new ones is really hard so hurry up. Otherwise I prefer the B logo one to this newer one, its the one I got.
Same for me. I prefer the old one, specially stage leather strap which is ticker. On the new one strap is too thin and looks cheap. The sub-dials are also to big on the new one in my opinion.
The chronograph hand on the old one has a B counterweight. I quite like that. Would be interesting to extend the Navitimer lineup further into the past and then compare
Not sure it seems a 50:50 split between the design differences. At least some sort of wings have returned but it’s almost as if the previous fully Breitling branded piece has been dumbed down to the point where you have to double take to see it’s a Breitling. Both have their appeal but the gold B-wings, three register slide rule, sloped dial and little B-anchor on the seconds hand is hard to beat for pure Breitling DNA. The new colours are really the new introduction maybe all a case of going from a cockpit tool watch to champagne in the members only departure lounge? Maybe Navitimers loom too vintage and something Dad would year for a younger trendier crowd and therefore sat on shelves so the new releases are jumping up and down in ice blue and mint green “hey look at us we’re cool!” - I guess watch companies needs to refresh and modernise their lines to stimulate sales.
One big thing nobody seems to talk about is that on the old model the writing has a metallic look and is just regular printing on the new dial. For me it cheapen the dial and I'm looking to buy the old model.
i can see most fans wouldnt like it becos the changes basically took away a lot of major characters and it is no longer "the navitimer". But to be fair i can see that they have put a lot of effort on adjusting every single detail on the dial. it appears in a much better proportion and modern way. They are brave enough to replace the full polished link and case, thats also gonna trigger a lot of fans but i personally think it is a good move, many brands like breguet have moved away from full polished exterior since long time ago. I appreciate such a big step breitling have taken and this will be remarkable in the navitimer history when we look back many years later
The newer model having a date window placed in the sub dial is a deal breaker for me, not to mined the Navitimer text placement, I'd buy the older ref personally.
I never considered purchasing an old Navi… dial was too cluttered & overall product was too blingy. Obviously this new version is far more appealing to my senses. Looks like I’m in the minority here, but bravo Breitling!
@@brentmillertime8778 very interesting because I had the feeling that only after the arrival of Mr.Kern the navitimer 43, the ones with the simple b logo, had an open case back and from the previous period with the wings logo only the 46 and the limited 43 like the one with the silver wings logo . Thank you ! Very interesting !
I’d like to know too. What’s interesting to me is the “B-wing” in the video has the reference AB0121, which I thought was for the Kern floating B Navi. One has to wonder if the caseback was swapped from a newer one. Or perhaps, like you said, there was a very very brief transition period where they started producing the display caseback but still had leftover B-wing dials… but after trying to track down one for a few weeks now, they are very rare indeed. Ended up finding a standard closed caseback AB0120 in near NOS condition with stickers, couldn’t say no and canceled my order for the latest gen. I like the new one a lot, but I love the older one.
I own an old one and I bought a new one. The old one is good but the new one is better. Better movement, better finish. That's a Navitimer, for sure, it's a pilot tool and it can be a fashion watch in those delicious new colors. I don't think that's a problem.
I really don't like most of the changes. Brushed steel instead of polished? Meh That bezel is just way worse, looks like those cheap replica navitimers. Subdials hands was silver before and was much more flashy than these black ones. I guess the AOPA logo is nice and the caseback changes but the negatives far outweigh the positives imo
Breitling designers ruined the Icon of the brand with the new design, to be honest. The New Logo looks like a low-cost Chinese version of the older one, the larger sub-dials have absolutely no point, and the over-all dial is not that overloaded, which was generally the charm of the Navi-Timer. Was lucky enough to be able to buy the 2020-2021 46 mm with the B logo.
New model is more subtle and modern and probably suits the average wrist more. No need anymore to wear this watch with some fancy Carrera or Cartier sunglasses.
Too safe to be a serious contender. The catchy colours will only draw the window shoppers. The previous version has the Breitling character sadly lacking in some of the Georges Kern era watches. Another case of confused decisions at Breitling… and another logo?
So, it’s also worth noting that there’s a XXX rated logo thing going on here. You can’t unsee this so don’t read on if you don’t want to know. OK, still with me huh, so here we go. The old one gold B-wings logo looks like a flying willy and balls. And the new one looks like a reclining woman with her legs open. Go take another look.
In my opinion the new model is a total fail. I much prefer the looks of the older design. To me it looks more original. I should have never sold mine. The navitimer is the “submariner” of the Breitling world. It’s supposed to be essentially unchanged and timeless. They’ve immediately dated the new model. Just my opinion. FWIW
There is a logical formula to keep your values on Breitling in the future. Start collecting all Pre-Kern watches and you are on the safe side. Since 2017 this once very reputable company is sinking straight to the graveyard of the swiss watch companies as many earlier on and purely family owned in the beginning of their heritage.Exactly 60% of the model range has been knocked off by green and nostalgic eco friendly nonsense and by a hord of marketing freaks coming specifically not from the watch industry.Imitation Loft ambiances in Shopping centers across the globe.Self imposed mockumentary styled actions like muppet show summits are just a bitter pill all serious collectors of this brand have to swallow just realising the earlier the better selling off their Breitling collections before it is to late! Accepting this illusionary concept created for the innocent believers of fake values and identities,that this famous brand certainly not deserves at all !!
The winged B logo is a must for the Navi! Everything else is cool on the newer model
Super lucky to find one with old wings logo, 46mm gold-steel version, bought it, no regrets 😎
The newer one is more legible but I prefer the older Breitling logo indeed.
The review I was waiting for. As cool as the Speedmaster is, to me the Navitimer is the chronograph I always imagined getting.
Thanks for the great video! I prefer the older model given its subdial/dial proportion is closer to the original design. The newer model looks more modern and impactful but deviates more from the vintage design.
In summary, changes mentioned include:
1. Bigger and deeper subdials with more pronounced concentric rings
2. Date window position
3. Logo
4. Text
5. 3 6 9 position indices and lume
6. Tip of the chrono hand does not have the arrow
7. Strap taper
8. Bezel edge is smoother
9. Crown and pushers are bigger with shape change
10. Rotor shape change
11. Dimensions slightly change (mostly -0.5mm thickness)
12. Case sides are brushed
Changes missed but I can tell include:
13. The tachymeter was removed!! This is why the dial has more real estate to make other elements bigger
14. The white ring of the slide ruler is flatter. The older model sinks in deeper, give the dial more depth overall
15. Crystal is more domed on the new model
16. All hour indices are actually slightly bigger on the new model, the 12 o'clock being the most obvious
17. Chrono hand counter weight changed from a B+anchor logo to straight
Thanks for commenting and including the items missed!
Err… also one has a sapphire display caseback and the other a temperature conversion on a solid case back. This way when your watch fills with water you don’t have to shake it to find out. Really needs 100m. Yeah, if your plane is taking a swim your wrist watch is the least of your problems but you might stick it on a bracelet and jump in the pool or lake one day and think, oh sheeit!
Two similarities that are equivalent Achilles heels - lack of water resistance. Not antimagnetic.
@@bobbydazzler1780 both models shown have a display caseback. You’re thinking of the older model with the engraved temperature conversion back
The black Navi used to be my favorite watch back in 2000
Not sure, but is the outer (white) part of the slide rule flatter, i.e. not as much upward angled on the new model?
Oldies but goodies
Looks better to be honest but I may get the older if I get a very good discount . In malaysia they offered me 25 per cent on retail for the old one last year but didn’t buy it
B and anchor missing from the bottom of the chrono hand
Exactly.
It has to be there 8n my opinion.
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I love the cleaner, more legible look of the new model, it's more suitable for actual cockpit use. Getting rid of the tachymeter scale allows for the significantly larger subdials. Black pointers vice highly polished ones was a good change too, although a rather obvious one. I also like the less shiny, dual finished case. It seems like Breitling met with some pilots who use Navitimers to discuss design improvements. They pretty much nailed it. After watching your informative video, I will say that if I was a pilot who wears a Navitimer inflight, I would exchange my older 41mm model (the one with the "B" logo) for the new one in a heartbeat. Thanks.
Also love the new model. I have 3 Navis. A 70’s 806, which to me looks very close to the newer ones including the flat appearing outer ring. A shiny blue 2017 model which I love and a 1461 with a silver face. This last one is way too big and heavy in general but my most complex watch so it stays. Love the new straps too. I really like the 41 in green. Just a little too expensive imo
Wanted to add that I am a pilot and I dont think anyone really use a slide rule in a plane anymore. You will certainly be lost somewhere in complex airspace with that. Garmin is much more helpful but in a pinch you can calculate stuff if you dont have a real E6B and no instruments works, meaning it is anyway time to find a runway and stay put.
I like the new model one thing I like from the old model the calendar position
The deployant clasps are different. With the old one the tip of the strap folds in on the inside, with the new one it folds on the outside and needs to be tucked into the loops. I prefer the older as it has a one step closure.
One more important thing how much cost the new one
I think I do prefer the old navitimer here and am actually looking to purchase that exact 43mm model in this video as my first luxury watch. Hoping to have enough saved up by the end of the summer and you can get more of a discount on the old one. Also not having the tachymeter scale is a big turn off. I do like the exhibition caseback though.
Well this is really not the old navitimer. Its the one with the B logo. The gold wing logo is even older and finding new ones is really hard so hurry up.
Otherwise I prefer the B logo one to this newer one, its the one I got.
Same for me. I prefer the old one, specially stage leather strap which is ticker. On the new one strap is too thin and looks cheap. The sub-dials are also to big on the new one in my opinion.
I like all the changes: new logo, thinner case, better date position, skeletonized rotor, and the crystal appears more dome shaped
On the new Navi, it appears that the slide rule bezel no longer has a tachymeter.
Great catch, we missed that difference.
The chronograph hand on the old one has a B counterweight. I quite like that. Would be interesting to extend the Navitimer lineup further into the past and then compare
Not sure it seems a 50:50 split between the design differences. At least some sort of wings have returned but it’s almost as if the previous fully Breitling branded piece has been dumbed down to the point where you have to double take to see it’s a Breitling. Both have their appeal but the gold B-wings, three register slide rule, sloped dial and little B-anchor on the seconds hand is hard to beat for pure Breitling DNA. The new colours are really the new introduction maybe all a case of going from a cockpit tool watch to champagne in the members only departure lounge? Maybe Navitimers loom too vintage and something Dad would year for a younger trendier crowd and therefore sat on shelves so the new releases are jumping up and down in ice blue and mint green “hey look at us we’re cool!” - I guess watch companies needs to refresh and modernise their lines to stimulate sales.
Also don’t know if you pointed it out but the bezel grooves are more like the sinn on the newer one I noticed.
I prefer the old one. The new subdials on the old model would make it perfect
One big thing nobody seems to talk about is that on the old model the writing has a metallic look and is just regular printing on the new dial. For me it cheapen the dial and I'm looking to buy the old model.
Olá bom dia eu comprei um se vc interessar vamos conversar. Que tal.👍
Id like to see a navitimer in the same black, but with a black bezel and black metal strap.
That would be a good one. Thanks for viewing.
What a watch! Just amazing.
Can you put them on a bracelet?
Unfortunately we do not have bracelets to put these two on, but they are made for these models.
What about quick date change? Anything difference from 46mm model?
Not that we are aware of between the two.
New version Navitimer with the old leather strap would be best.
brushed finish is king
i can see most fans wouldnt like it becos the changes basically took away a lot of major characters and it is no longer "the navitimer". But to be fair i can see that they have put a lot of effort on adjusting every single detail on the dial. it appears in a much better proportion and modern way. They are brave enough to replace the full polished link and case, thats also gonna trigger a lot of fans but i personally think it is a good move, many brands like breguet have moved away from full polished exterior since long time ago. I appreciate such a big step breitling have taken and this will be remarkable in the navitimer history when we look back many years later
The newer model having a date window placed in the sub dial is a deal breaker for me, not to mined the Navitimer text placement, I'd buy the older ref personally.
Thx! What is your wrist size for reference please?
6.75"
Ovviamente il vecchio è meglio però devo dire che anche la replica non è male dove lo hai trovato per confrontarlo?
Have Sinn bough breitling again? Brushed edges, double deployment clasp, higher water resistance… all things the 903 have had for a long time!
Also this isn't really the old one. There was two B logo version inbetween.
100%
Give me the older model any day, in fact a previously owned one is the next to be added to my collection. I don't like the less busy look to the dial.
I never considered purchasing an old Navi… dial was too cluttered & overall product was too blingy.
Obviously this new version is far more appealing to my senses. Looks like I’m in the minority here, but bravo Breitling!
They both have positives. The biggest negative is the new logo! Why change a classic hallmark. New one looks terrible.
Why the older model on this video have a open case back ?I have the feeling that only the 46mm version from this era have the open case back .
Unsure of the exact years, but there was a small period when they did offer the exhibition caseback. You are correct in that most do have the solid.
@@brentmillertime8778 very interesting because I had the feeling that only after the arrival of Mr.Kern the navitimer 43, the ones with the simple b logo, had an open case back and from the previous period with the wings logo only the 46 and the limited 43 like the one with the silver wings logo . Thank you ! Very interesting !
I’d like to know too. What’s interesting to me is the “B-wing” in the video has the reference AB0121, which I thought was for the Kern floating B Navi. One has to wonder if the caseback was swapped from a newer one. Or perhaps, like you said, there was a very very brief transition period where they started producing the display caseback but still had leftover B-wing dials… but after trying to track down one for a few weeks now, they are very rare indeed. Ended up finding a standard closed caseback AB0120 in near NOS condition with stickers, couldn’t say no and canceled my order for the latest gen. I like the new one a lot, but I love the older one.
AB0127. 46mm , open caskeback, floating b anchor. They are all over Chrono24 and eBay for around 5k
@@MattClaussen1 What does that have to do with what any of us are talking about?
I own an old one and I bought a new one. The old one is good but the new one is better. Better movement, better finish. That's a Navitimer, for sure, it's a pilot tool and it can be a fashion watch in those delicious new colors. I don't think that's a problem.
Now that's the way to do it! Enjoy both of them.
THE OLD IS BETTER
weight differences?
I did not get around to weighing them but when back in stock I'll try to grab it.
how much price this was
This new 43mm Navitimer on leather strap is $9,100.
Someone already analyzed the difference in depth. Long story short: the new 2022 Navitimer become more similar to Sinn 903.
I like the older one much better
I really don't like most of the changes.
Brushed steel instead of polished? Meh
That bezel is just way worse, looks like those cheap replica navitimers.
Subdials hands was silver before and was much more flashy than these black ones.
I guess the AOPA logo is nice and the caseback changes but the negatives far outweigh the positives imo
Hi sir how r u now how much cost this watch
$9,100
Breitling designers ruined the Icon of the brand with the new design, to be honest. The New Logo looks like a low-cost Chinese version of the older one, the larger sub-dials have absolutely no point, and the over-all dial is not that overloaded, which was generally the charm of the Navi-Timer. Was lucky enough to be able to buy the 2020-2021 46 mm with the B logo.
They got rid of the tachymeter scale. Old one is better
New model is more subtle and modern and probably suits the average wrist more. No need anymore to wear this watch with some fancy Carrera or Cartier sunglasses.
Too safe to be a serious contender. The catchy colours will only draw the window shoppers. The previous version has the Breitling character sadly lacking in some of the Georges Kern era watches. Another case of confused decisions at Breitling… and another logo?
Why the renewed it wtf
THE NEWER IS FOR VERY SLIGHT MEN ...
So, it’s also worth noting that there’s a XXX rated logo thing going on here. You can’t unsee this so don’t read on if you don’t want to know. OK, still with me huh, so here we go. The old one gold B-wings logo looks like a flying willy and balls. And the new one looks like a reclining woman with her legs open. Go take another look.
In my opinion the new model is a total fail. I much prefer the looks of the older design. To me it looks more original. I should have never sold mine.
The navitimer is the “submariner” of the Breitling world. It’s supposed to be essentially unchanged and timeless. They’ve immediately dated the new model.
Just my opinion. FWIW
It's really been interesting to hear some that love the new design and others that greatly prefer the older. Thanks for viewing!
There is a logical formula to keep your values on Breitling in the future. Start collecting all Pre-Kern watches and you are on the safe side. Since 2017 this once very reputable company is sinking straight to the graveyard of the swiss watch companies as many earlier on and purely family owned in the beginning of their heritage.Exactly 60% of the model range has been knocked off by green and nostalgic eco friendly nonsense and by a hord of marketing freaks coming specifically not from the watch industry.Imitation Loft ambiances in Shopping centers across the globe.Self imposed mockumentary styled actions like muppet show summits are just a bitter pill all serious collectors of this brand have to swallow just realising the earlier the better selling off their Breitling collections before it is to late! Accepting this illusionary concept created for the innocent believers of fake values and identities,that this famous brand certainly not deserves at all !!
New one is kinda cringe with the boring logo + "Navitimer" and date placement.
GJ on ruining your legendary model Breitling.