@@davidcrandall4958not a problem with my Pagani….. The resale value is Zero, the maintenance costs are Zero, the chuckle factor is 100 and those that decry are, dare I say, shallower than the average bear…
@@flaviusjurj6960 Well I always found one, I just kept looking, asking, talking to people etc. At least in the UK it’s not impossible. AD’s are usually disappointing on several levels.
I had my Sinn serviced by the official service centre here in the UK, it has a Valjoux 7754 movement and the total price was £475 GBP., this included a new copper sulfate capsule and re-gassing the case. The water resistance is 200m. Old parts were returned, though dial and hands did not need replacing as moisture doesn't affect these watches. You'll need to convert GBP to USD to understand the cost but it's no where near $2,000, Breitling are widely regarded as a rip off when it comes to servicing costs and the watches are nothing special to justify the cost.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Your Breitling is a modern classic and probably the one I'd have chosen from the range. There's just a big difference in service costs.
I just sent my Navitimer back to Breitling and I had similar service cost estimate. However, mine has the B03 in house rattrapante movement. I was actually pleasantly surprised the service cost for this movement was only $900. I was concerned it would be a lot more for a rattrapante movement. However, I thought they were really aggressive on their required repairs. I really just wanted the bezel replaced, but they are requiring a replacement of the entire case, crown, bezel, flange, and dial. That's costing an $1,300, which I didn't think was necessary, but I will pretty much have a brand new watch at that point. I was also shocked I don't get any of the parts back. I have had Omega and Tag Heuer watches serviced and they always send you the replaced parts.
Thanks for sharing for your experience. I wasn’t aware that parts were returned from other brands. Makes me a bit skeptical about Breitling’s intentions when keeping these parts.
I have a 1969 Omega Seamaster 120 that I bought new in Switzerland in 1971. I had it regularly serviced at local jewellers but had it factory serviced in Switzerland in 1989 for about $200. They gave me a free Swatch watch to wear while mine was being serviced. Again I had it regularly serviced locally. Recently it leaked so I opened it, dried it and intended to sent it back to the factory or any Omega authorized service center. Last I checked they wanted $1200 + cost of parts to service it. My local jeweller won't service it anymore because Omega now refuses to sell parts to anyone except factory authorized service centers. I'm retired, I can't afford that. BTW I paid $63 for the watch new in the box from a Swiss jeweller.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown. I want to throw in my 2 cents cause alot of videos make the service of a luxury watch seem insanely expensive - far more than it should be. First - Breitling is notorious for having very expensive service and parts cost. For comparison, my GMT Master 2 had a full service, new crystal, bezel, ceramic bezel insert and crown all for $1100. Yes they are different watches, but I still think it gives a nice perspective of how expensive breitling parts are. All of this at the local RSC. That being said, what you had to do was more of a watch restoration than a watch service. Lots of damaged parts. This is bound to be way more expensive. Usually, if you take care of your watch, you will never have to do this, you will just have to service the movement every 5-7 years and check the water resistance every 2-3. Servicing a Breitling with a valjoux movement is much more cost effective at a reputable independent watch maker. At least where I live, the AD charges the very same amount, regardless whether they service a B01 or a Valjoux 7753. Replacing the clasp was crazy expensive and there is a good alternative to it - a good watch maker can laser weld any deep dents and polish it to a condition that is not different from a brand new clasp. All of this at a fraction of the price of a new clasp. The only thing you cant really escape is changing the crystal - it is expensive and you can only get it from breitling. There is no way to avoid getting micro-scratches on the AR coating. You either learn to live with it, or pay $400 every couple of years.
I didn’t mention in this video, but the video in the card above went into the butchering the previous service center performed and I have to assume the damage was caused then.
I have maintained a watch collection for many years. Virtually all automatics. Oldest one is a 2010 titanium blue face Breitling Seawolf (10k/ft diver.) Never had a single service with any watch. Never had a problem. Consequently, I have never had the expression on my face as seen in the thumbnail in relation to any of my watches! I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that over the years I would’ve been fleeced for many thousands had I opened myself up to all that.
@@davidcrandall4958 Exactly, not to mention he will be selling them at a huge loss when they start keeping bad time, all because he hasn't taken care of them properly. Servicing a watch costs money, but not servicing it also costs money - this way or another, sooner or later. If I wanted to buy a pre-owned watch, I would want to know it's service history and see some paper evidence of it too.
It also depends on the service center/country. I had my Navitimer A30030.4 serviced by Breitling Canada. It's a older Montbrillant with a ETA 2892 and a Dubois-Depraz module. They charged me 1380 CAD tax in (or roughly 1k USD). That included replacing the crystal (as I requested). When I asked the rep about this movement (usually Dubois-Depraz stuff is more expensive to service than 7750), she told me that it's a flat rate for auto chronos... B01, 7750 or Dubois-Depraz. The whole thing took about 8 weeks and I was quoted 4 to 7, so not that bad! Omega (at least their Canadian service center), took 8 freaking months for my Constellation Chronograph 😂 On the other hand, I heard really bad stuff about Breitling's USA service center (mainly on Reddit)... Sucks
Seiko NH series, Miyota 8 and 9 series and Sellita SW 200 and 300 series (and of course ETA 2824 or 2892). Can't go wrong with any of them, really. And all of them can be serviced by any local watchmaker or even replaced, all at a low cost. Modified and in-house movements are something I would avoid. And I would also always pick a solar chrono over an automatic one, because automatic chronos are where you will be spending the most come service time.
I have a 2001 navitimer in need of a service. Im prepared for the same price, sadly but i look at it this way : for the same price i wont be able to get a watch that's even close to what i have. It sucks but it's part of the hobby.
Nice video, thanks. I have a similar 2007 Navitimer that I originally paid $2800 for when I bought it new in 2007. You are almost getting a new watch. I had mine serviced by Breitling here in the US back in 2017 for around $750 so it seems like prices have gone up quite a bit. My understanding is the profession of mechanical watch making and repair has fewer technicians these days so I am not surprised that the costs have increased. My watch came back looking and working like new. I am probably going to send it in for service again in a few more years, but may have to rethink the value of doing so if the cost is even higher.
Great information Joe, thank you for sharing. It's definitely expensive & and time-consuming, but the end result is well worth it. Enjoy your basically new Breitling in good health for many years to come, brother 👍
Excellent video my friend and thanks for the happy birthday to my wife on Instagram !😊 You are really showing the other side of owning a more expensive watch that many people don't see. Well done ! One cost in the compulsory service, the replacement of a marked crystal for $330 is a bit much. The crystal is not essential to the running of the watch and the customer may well not be bothered by that. For that matter, how damaged is the dial too? Many people would much prefer to keep the original dial on the watch. The only compulsory service should be the movement amd the flange possibly. I haven't gotten to the end of the video yet and I'm looking forward to seeing what you'll do but for a watch out of warranty I'd be looking for a reputable 3rd party watchmaker to compare prices. P.S. Sorry , didn't notice the crystal was optional !
Had my 2015 Brietling Colt GMT serviced by Breitling in September, cost was £500 (I'm in UK)Came back 6 weeks later, kept perfect time and looked stunning, but auto mech wouldn't work, went back again, another 5 weeks, came back was running at +12sec and pulling out the crown wouldn't stop the second hand. Watch went back again, 8 weeks later, I'm still waiting for it to come back, not sure about the quality control, however all work was done under warranty with no fuss. In the UK, you can get just a case and bracelet polish service it's about £130. Hoping this time my watch cones back and is good for a few more years.
A good friend of mine (he was certified by Omega and Longines) charges me 100 euros to service any 7750 including my Crosswind. It takes him 6-7 hours.
I think you have better than a new watch. Your watch has been more recently put together, more recently tested, and more recently certified than any watch in the showcase the day you got it back. It also is more exclusive since cosmetically an identical one cannot be purchased new because of the refresh of the face. Finally the number of versions of your watch is now limited, while the currently produced ones have an uncapped production number. You played the smart move.
This is why I stopped wanting a chronograph. I had a Fortis chronograph with a Valjoux 7750 and service it could cost me almost as much as the watch itself. I preferred to give it away, and with the watch my desire to have a chronograph also went away. I wanted a Speedmaster or a Navitimer, but not anymore at the moment. PS: I must say that that Fortis was almost 25 years old and still perfect. I got it second hand, and I don't know if the previous owner ever serviced it, but he might as well never have done it. Nothing had been touched or replaced.
I have a 2009 _Navitimer_ A23322. Mine is the blue dial with batons. I bought it preloved in 2017. To my eye it's perfect lookswise. I don't think there's any damage to the crystal or hands or dial. However, it has gotten very stiff to wind. I also notice that occasionally, when the second hand is at the top of the minute, the minute hand is halfway between minute markers; and sometimes it's fine. So I'm thinking of taking mine to the AD and having Breitling service it. Goodness knows what they will find when they assess it and provide an estimate. I wonder if the polishing is mandatory, or if they can omit polishing anything. I think I will be taking some hi-rez detailed macro shots to have on hand, so I can see what they are referring to when they come back with whatever cosmetic work they may identify needs doing. Just in case. Also, I wonder if they still sell bracelets for the A23322. Mine's on the strap and those seven link Navi bracelets look so good.
I serviced this watch movement for a friend and did it for free. It is a tough job, but I don’t think I’d charge what they charge for servicing movements. Here’s my link to the video, and there’s other videos associated with this service. Complete Disassembly of Valjoux 7750 Watch Movement ua-cam.com/video/ZbhMtXXHdXQ/v-deo.html
Breitling will charge what the market will pay. Three hundred dollars for a new glass is rediculous. At some point people will simply not use original suppliers for servicing. They are simply pricing themselves out of the market. People will buy a watch probably produced by the Chinese who will service and support that watch for a fraction of the cost. There will always be people who will buy and get their service from original suppliers. Good luck to them.
"not allowed to keep the dial " but Breitling will dump thousands of watches on the grey market. What they charge for a bracelet is a crime similar to IWC
That’s still expensive i paid $350 for my Breitling service, how do u pay $2k for a service thats what Patek charges, i serviced my Rolex in the pass and it was only $900 with a new chrystal, new components and still didn’t hit $1k, these prices are wild,
That is harsh. I bought a vintage Zenith with El Primero movement with chrono, month, date, day, and moon. Local watchmakers can't get the parts from Zenith. I sent it to Zenith US for a full service. They sent it to Zenith Switzerland. I received it back in 3-4 months and was charged a little under $1,000, including return shipping. But that did not involve any polishing. I don't feel so butt hurt about that now.
I don’t understand why you would have to replace hands on a watch that old? Where do you keep it -what do you do that would damage the hands? I have a twenty year old Navitimer and the hands and dial look new?
“Compulsory services”… refusing to return your property, IT’S YOUR DIAL!!! There’s nothing special about this movement. A independent watchmaker will treat you like a customer not a mark.
It cost me about $1200 for a full serving on my Omega SMP 300 2254.50 including new crystal, hands, full mvmt servicing. Omega even sent the old parts back with my watch unlike apparently Breitling and Rolex. Had my Daytona serviced in 2020 and they kept all the old stuff.
I would never ever send a watch like this to the AD as it will be at least as expensive as an ordinary good watchmaker. Also to replace hands, dial etc are likely to reduce the value of the watch, specially when it get to vintage age and people are then more obsessed about the originality of the watch.
The absurd charges are a really bad joke. The Sinn equivalent certainly makes more sense. The real joke is it's an off the self, non exclusive movement. NOPE. THANK YOU for making this video, no used navitimer for me. I already own an unreliable porsche, and the servicing charges are just as absurd, which I am selling.
Every automatic Swiss watch I’ve had serviced cost at least $1,000. Chronographs are always more…. Service wait times at quality shops (like RGM) these days are insane.
Even if your valuation is accurate, there is no chance that a professionally done movement overhaul (cleaning, parts replacement,re-calibrating) and a well executed case/bracelet polish is costing $300. With all due respect, you are way off.
@@michaelriera6277 Not $300 but £300. And no polish, just clean the movement parts and lubricating. If any parts needs replacing it will be extra. I pay £240 for an “standard” auto movement to the watchmaker I use now in the UK. He used to work for Rolex and is a qualified horologist. The watchmaker I used before retired and he charged the same, I had an Omega Speedmaster from 1966 with 321 movement serviced two years ago and paid £350, that was including a replaced part that was very hard to find as of course Omega does not sell parts for those movements anymore. I think genrally watchmakers in the UK is more reasonable than in the US though. The problem with AD’s is that they often replace a lot of parts that does not need to be replaced, their service is generally a massive rip off.
i love the minor details and refinements that luxury watches have over microbrands and lower end watches, but it’s the same stuff you say (had my watch serviced by Breitling too) that made me decide to start looking more at microbrands and diywatch kits. yeah, polish, movement, etc. less refined, but i can work on it w/o breaking bank and it’s my own.
Great video, nice watch……. Unfortunately, unless they replace the totality of all the mechanical parts, it still doesn’t qualify as a new watch, since the bulk of all the other mechanical parts are not new, even if they cleaned them, they are still used.
You don’t realize (probably since you’re into dumb things) that commenting helps spread the video and supports the channel. Thank you despite your intentions. Have another slice of cake dummy. 😂🍰
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews I do hope to help your channel. I am on the fence on buying on Omega Seamaster. The realization of the life time cost just was brought to my attention. At my income level it would be a dumb decision to have to tell the wife I need to spend another grand every three years on my watch. Chocolate cake it is. lol
My Seiko SKX779 "Black Sea Monster" that I purchased in 1999 for a grand total of $299.95 USD has been wore on my wrist now for 25-years has never been serviced, has never stopped, keeps time +20 seconds a per day. Your Breitling Navitimer that cost $15,000 USD has a host of dysfunctions to service and the service cost 7-times the cost of my Seiko. My friend please open your eyes your flushing good money down the toilet to wear this so sad Euro trash watch!
Wait a minute. So, the watch industry makes us believe that in-house movements are better than off the shelves movement, so they can charge more for a service? 😏.
Yeah, if you pay that much then you don’t have a you gotta find an old time watchmaker make you watch. Good you don’t have to send it back to Breitling
It’s a luxury product, they cost money to keep in good condition. The price is fair considering the hours they have to put into this. It’s a chronometer which always is a minimum of $650 to service and goes up depending if there are major issues with the movement. The free polishing is a bonus and the crystal price is fair. You got a good deal.
I didn’t mention this in the video, but the my original video touches on the fact this watch was butchered by a local service center. So I decided to send it to Breitling, despite knowing it isn’t the most affordable option but I knew I had the best chance of having the job done properly.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews I fully understand now. That's a great shame. You had a hard financial decision to make. It looks like things turned out OK. I'm surprised this happened, but it's all too common today. I'm glad you have your keeper back. So hopefully, a lesson learned. 😌👌
It's an expensive hobby. Servicing chronographs is always going to cost much more than less complicated watches. People need to know that before buying them.
The same principle applies if you buy a second hand Rolls Royce…..check out the service costs…..check out new tyre costs. That separates the men from the boys….🇬🇧…😂
Guys, stay away from Breitling!! The movements are since two years not any more adjusted,but simply swapped by a "new" used one. Hence your COSC Certificate is worth nothing, as you have now a NON ORIGINAL movement as your watch was delivered with in the first place! Why are the old parts are not supplied after the service? Because some other "conned" consumer gets them to pay for !! And by the way,old parts are always being resold in their "Vintage Department"....Boy George Kern killed this ones so well operated company to the fullest,what a sad reality !! Nowadays their slogan is : 140 years of the firsts,but will they continue to the future at last ?
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews As you rightly said you have a new watch for half the price. I think you did well. This service cost puts me off the very expensive watches plus the time you had to go without it during the service. I want a Lange & Sohne but with Seiko running costs 👍👍
@@stableianF1oracleyes! Seiko is so popular because of the reliability and low service cost. Hell, I wouldn’t even service a Seiko. I would buy a new movement for like 50 and have a watch modding friend swap the movement.
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This part should be promoted more on UA-cam because 90% of people who buy luxury watches have no idea about maintenance costs.
I Absolutely Agree! It seems most people make a very expensive mistake When they don't factor Maintenance and repair costs into their purchase
@@davidcrandall4958not a problem with my Pagani…..
The resale value is Zero, the maintenance costs are Zero, the chuckle factor is 100 and those that decry are, dare I say, shallower than the average bear…
It does not cos5 a fraction as much if you use a good independent watchmaker.
@@truxton1000 The problem is that a good and reliable watchmaker is quite hard to find.
@@flaviusjurj6960 Well I always found one, I just kept looking, asking, talking to people etc. At least in the UK it’s not impossible. AD’s are usually disappointing on several levels.
I had my Sinn serviced by the official service centre here in the UK, it has a Valjoux 7754 movement and the total price was £475 GBP., this included a new copper sulfate capsule and re-gassing the case. The water resistance is 200m. Old parts were returned, though dial and hands did not need replacing as moisture doesn't affect these watches.
You'll need to convert GBP to USD to understand the cost but it's no where near $2,000, Breitling are widely regarded as a rip off when it comes to servicing costs and the watches are nothing special to justify the cost.
I should’ve gotten a Sinn Navitimer. 😉👍
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Your Breitling is a modern classic and probably the one I'd have chosen from the range. There's just a big difference in service costs.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Well you could have used a good independent watchmaker, service alone would be half the price, around $400.
I just sent my Navitimer back to Breitling and I had similar service cost estimate. However, mine has the B03 in house rattrapante movement. I was actually pleasantly surprised the service cost for this movement was only $900. I was concerned it would be a lot more for a rattrapante movement. However, I thought they were really aggressive on their required repairs. I really just wanted the bezel replaced, but they are requiring a replacement of the entire case, crown, bezel, flange, and dial. That's costing an $1,300, which I didn't think was necessary, but I will pretty much have a brand new watch at that point. I was also shocked I don't get any of the parts back. I have had Omega and Tag Heuer watches serviced and they always send you the replaced parts.
Thanks for sharing for your experience. I wasn’t aware that parts were returned from other brands. Makes me a bit skeptical about Breitling’s intentions when keeping these parts.
I have a 1969 Omega Seamaster 120 that I bought new in Switzerland in 1971. I had it regularly serviced at local jewellers but had it factory serviced in Switzerland in 1989 for about $200. They gave me a free Swatch watch to wear while mine was being serviced. Again I had it regularly serviced locally. Recently it leaked so I opened it, dried it and intended to sent it back to the factory or any Omega authorized service center. Last I checked they wanted $1200 + cost of parts to service it. My local jeweller won't service it anymore because Omega now refuses to sell parts to anyone except factory authorized service centers. I'm retired, I can't afford that. BTW I paid $63 for the watch new in the box from a Swiss jeweller.
Call that an artificial inflationary rip off service cost adjustment !!
Thank you for the detailed breakdown.
I want to throw in my 2 cents cause alot of videos make the service of a luxury watch seem insanely expensive - far more than it should be.
First - Breitling is notorious for having very expensive service and parts cost. For comparison, my GMT Master 2 had a full service, new crystal, bezel, ceramic bezel insert and crown all for $1100. Yes they are different watches, but I still think it gives a nice perspective of how expensive breitling parts are. All of this at the local RSC.
That being said, what you had to do was more of a watch restoration than a watch service. Lots of damaged parts. This is bound to be way more expensive. Usually, if you take care of your watch, you will never have to do this, you will just have to service the movement every 5-7 years and check the water resistance every 2-3.
Servicing a Breitling with a valjoux movement is much more cost effective at a reputable independent watch maker. At least where I live, the AD charges the very same amount, regardless whether they service a B01 or a Valjoux 7753.
Replacing the clasp was crazy expensive and there is a good alternative to it - a good watch maker can laser weld any deep dents and polish it to a condition that is not different from a brand new clasp. All of this at a fraction of the price of a new clasp.
The only thing you cant really escape is changing the crystal - it is expensive and you can only get it from breitling. There is no way to avoid getting micro-scratches on the AR coating. You either learn to live with it, or pay $400 every couple of years.
I appreciate your reply. You make some great points here. Thanks for watching!
how does a sealed watch get scratches on a dial? and at least omega gives you back the old parts
I didn’t mention in this video, but the video in the card above went into the butchering the previous service center performed and I have to assume the damage was caused then.
Find yourself a good independent watch maker. Yes they still exist, ask around on forums, discord channels, Facebook groups.
I have maintained a watch collection for many years. Virtually all automatics.
Oldest one is a 2010 titanium blue face Breitling Seawolf (10k/ft diver.)
Never had a single service with any watch.
Never had a problem.
Consequently, I have never had the expression on my face as seen in the thumbnail in relation to any of my watches!
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that over the years I would’ve been fleeced for many thousands had I opened myself up to all that.
You are going to have to get your watches serviced sooner or later! It will cost more the longer you wait!
@@davidcrandall4958 Exactly, not to mention he will be selling them at a huge loss when they start keeping bad time, all because he hasn't taken care of them properly. Servicing a watch costs money, but not servicing it also costs money - this way or another, sooner or later. If I wanted to buy a pre-owned watch, I would want to know it's service history and see some paper evidence of it too.
It also depends on the service center/country.
I had my Navitimer A30030.4 serviced by Breitling Canada. It's a older Montbrillant with a ETA 2892 and a Dubois-Depraz module. They charged me 1380 CAD tax in (or roughly 1k USD). That included replacing the crystal (as I requested).
When I asked the rep about this movement (usually Dubois-Depraz stuff is more expensive to service than 7750), she told me that it's a flat rate for auto chronos... B01, 7750 or Dubois-Depraz. The whole thing took about 8 weeks and I was quoted 4 to 7, so not that bad! Omega (at least their Canadian service center), took 8 freaking months for my Constellation Chronograph 😂
On the other hand, I heard really bad stuff about Breitling's USA service center (mainly on Reddit)... Sucks
Whew! I need to stick with budget movements! Great video…thanks for sharing!
Seiko NH series, Miyota 8 and 9 series and Sellita SW 200 and 300 series (and of course ETA 2824 or 2892). Can't go wrong with any of them, really. And all of them can be serviced by any local watchmaker or even replaced, all at a low cost. Modified and in-house movements are something I would avoid. And I would also always pick a solar chrono over an automatic one, because automatic chronos are where you will be spending the most come service time.
@@kresimirpleic mechanical chronographs are definitely more time consuming to service.
Thanks for watching!
I have a 2001 navitimer in need of a service. Im prepared for the same price, sadly but i look at it this way : for the same price i wont be able to get a watch that's even close to what i have. It sucks but it's part of the hobby.
Give it to a good independent watchmaker, half the price and no silliness with keeping the parts etc.
Nice video, thanks. I have a similar 2007 Navitimer that I originally paid $2800 for when I bought it new in 2007. You are almost getting a new watch. I had mine serviced by Breitling here in the US back in 2017 for around $750 so it seems like prices have gone up quite a bit. My understanding is the profession of mechanical watch making and repair has fewer technicians these days so I am not surprised that the costs have increased. My watch came back looking and working like new. I am probably going to send it in for service again in a few more years, but may have to rethink the value of doing so if the cost is even higher.
Thanks for sharing!
All the UA-camrs claiming you can have a watch serviced for a few hundred dollars have never had a watch serviced.
Agreed 👍
Great information Joe, thank you for sharing. It's definitely expensive & and time-consuming, but the end result is well worth it. Enjoy your basically new Breitling in good health for many years to come, brother 👍
Thanks for watching brother. I’m enjoying this watch more than you can imagine. God bless bud.
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I don't know why I'm even watching this. I don't own a luxury watch, don't think I'll ever get one. 😂
Cost of ownership is definitely something people don’t consider. You’re now well informed if you decide to buy one. Thanks for watching.
This vid is super informative. I'm sharing this vid with a buddy of mine that wants one .
Awesome thank you!🙏 I hope it’ll help. Thanks for stopping by and sharing Travis.
Thank you for sharing, I need a service on my Breitling and this video helped. Appreciate it 👍
Glad it helped!
Excellent video my friend and thanks for the happy birthday to my wife on Instagram !😊 You are really showing the other side of owning a more expensive watch that many people don't see. Well done ! One cost in the compulsory service, the replacement of a marked crystal for $330 is a bit much. The crystal is not essential to the running of the watch and the customer may well not be bothered by that. For that matter, how damaged is the dial too? Many people would much prefer to keep the original dial on the watch. The only compulsory service should be the movement amd the flange possibly. I haven't gotten to the end of the video yet and I'm looking forward to seeing what you'll do but for a watch out of warranty I'd be looking for a reputable 3rd party watchmaker to compare prices. P.S. Sorry , didn't notice the crystal was optional !
Thanks buddy. I agree. You make
good points.
As long as you’re happy.
I’m not a Breitling fan, but your Navitimer looks good.
Agreed. Thanks! 🙏
Had my 2015 Brietling Colt GMT serviced by Breitling in September, cost was £500 (I'm in UK)Came back 6 weeks later, kept perfect time and looked stunning, but auto mech wouldn't work, went back again, another 5 weeks, came back was running at +12sec and pulling out the crown wouldn't stop the second hand. Watch went back again, 8 weeks later, I'm still waiting for it to come back, not sure about the quality control, however all work was done under warranty with no fuss.
In the UK, you can get just a case and bracelet polish service it's about £130.
Hoping this time my watch cones back and is good for a few more years.
A good friend of mine (he was certified by Omega and Longines) charges me 100 euros to service any 7750 including my Crosswind. It takes him 6-7 hours.
I think you have better than a new watch. Your watch has been more recently put together, more recently tested, and more recently certified than any watch in the showcase the day you got it back. It also is more exclusive since cosmetically an identical one cannot be purchased new because of the refresh of the face. Finally the number of versions of your watch is now limited, while the currently produced ones have an uncapped production number. You played the smart move.
@@nadiakent4082 I really like this explanation. Very well articulated. Thank you! 🙏
This is why I stopped wanting a chronograph. I had a Fortis chronograph with a Valjoux 7750 and service it could cost me almost as much as the watch itself. I preferred to give it away, and with the watch my desire to have a chronograph also went away. I wanted a Speedmaster or a Navitimer, but not anymore at the moment. PS: I must say that that Fortis was almost 25 years old and still perfect. I got it second hand, and I don't know if the previous owner ever serviced it, but he might as well never have done it. Nothing had been touched or replaced.
i went w/ a mecaquartz. vk67 has 12 hr. chrono, accuracy of quartz but has mechanical module so the feel of cam chrono. best compromise.
How does a watch get scratches on the dial?
The watch was preowned and was serviced by a butcher before I bought it. I asked the same question when I discovered this.
Thanks for the video Joe!
Thanks for watching.
I have a 2009 _Navitimer_ A23322. Mine is the blue dial with batons. I bought it preloved in 2017. To my eye it's perfect lookswise. I don't think there's any damage to the crystal or hands or dial. However, it has gotten very stiff to wind. I also notice that occasionally, when the second hand is at the top of the minute, the minute hand is halfway between minute markers; and sometimes it's fine. So I'm thinking of taking mine to the AD and having Breitling service it. Goodness knows what they will find when they assess it and provide an estimate. I wonder if the polishing is mandatory, or if they can omit polishing anything.
I think I will be taking some hi-rez detailed macro shots to have on hand, so I can see what they are referring to when they come back with whatever cosmetic work they may identify needs doing. Just in case.
Also, I wonder if they still sell bracelets for the A23322. Mine's on the strap and those seven link Navi bracelets look so good.
Definitely take before and after shots. Thanks for watching.
I serviced this watch movement for a friend and did it for free. It is a tough job, but I don’t think I’d charge what they charge for servicing movements. Here’s my link to the video, and there’s other videos associated with this service.
Complete Disassembly of Valjoux 7750 Watch Movement
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Thanks for sharing this.
my advice to potential watch buyers.. get an IWC and only service your watch when it isnt keeping time.. (you may never have to service it)
Breitling will charge what the market will pay. Three hundred dollars for a new glass is rediculous. At some point people will simply not use original suppliers for servicing. They are simply pricing themselves out of the market. People will buy a watch probably produced by the Chinese who will service and support that watch for a fraction of the cost. There will always be people who will buy and get their service from original suppliers. Good luck to them.
I think it's the nicest looking watch iv seen
Appreciate it!
Recent manufacture service on a Blancpain 50 Fathoms..£450.
"not allowed to keep the dial " but Breitling will dump thousands of watches on the grey market. What they charge for a bracelet is a crime similar to IWC
Good point!
That’s still expensive i paid $350 for my Breitling service, how do u pay $2k for a service thats what Patek charges, i serviced my Rolex in the pass and it was only $900 with a new chrystal, new components and still didn’t hit $1k, these prices are wild,
Agreed 👍
Great informative video, keep it coming
Thank you!! Stay tuned.
That is harsh. I bought a vintage Zenith with El Primero movement with chrono, month, date, day, and moon. Local watchmakers can't get the parts from Zenith. I sent it to Zenith US for a full service. They sent it to Zenith Switzerland. I received it back in 3-4 months and was charged a little under $1,000, including return shipping. But that did not involve any polishing. I don't feel so butt hurt about that now.
Glad I could help relieve the pain a little. 😉👍
I don’t understand why you would have to replace hands on a watch that old?
Where do you keep it -what do you do that would damage the hands?
I have a twenty year old Navitimer and the hands and dial look new?
Great question. Whoever owned this watch before me took it to a butcher to be service and caused the damage you see.
Ok makes sense -didn’t you look closely at the dial?
That’s an expensive overlook
“Compulsory services”… refusing to return your property, IT’S YOUR DIAL!!! There’s nothing special about this movement. A independent watchmaker will treat you like a customer not a mark.
Love this comment. I agree with you 100 percent.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Hook up with me when you have a watch needing a service, you could see it happening!
It cost me about $1200 for a full serving on my Omega SMP 300 2254.50 including new crystal, hands, full mvmt servicing. Omega even sent the old parts back with my watch unlike apparently Breitling and Rolex. Had my Daytona serviced in 2020 and they kept all the old stuff.
The watchworld is going to shit itself when the right to repair movement targets them.
I would never ever send a watch like this to the AD as it will be at least as expensive as an ordinary good watchmaker. Also to replace hands, dial etc are likely to reduce the value of the watch, specially when it get to vintage age and people are then more obsessed about the originality of the watch.
The RSC on my Rolex Submariner 14060M was only (ONLY) $900.
The absurd charges are a really bad joke. The Sinn equivalent certainly makes more sense. The real joke is it's an off the self, non exclusive movement. NOPE.
THANK YOU for making this video, no used navitimer for me. I already own an unreliable porsche, and the servicing charges are just as absurd, which I am selling.
Thanks for watching. I agree with you.
Every automatic Swiss watch I’ve had serviced cost at least $1,000. Chronographs are always more…. Service wait times at quality shops (like RGM) these days are insane.
Breitling fan boy here. Let’s gooooooooo 🔥
Awesome!!! Enjoy!
Beautiful Breitling Navi well worth the service cost.
Yes indeed! Thank you! 🙏
No that watch did not increase 2000 in value. Would have made more sense to let a good independent watchmaker do the service for around £300.
Even if your valuation is accurate, there is no chance that a professionally done movement overhaul (cleaning, parts replacement,re-calibrating) and a well executed case/bracelet polish is costing $300. With all due respect, you are way off.
@@michaelriera6277 Not $300 but £300. And no polish, just clean the movement parts and lubricating. If any parts needs replacing it will be extra. I pay £240 for an “standard” auto movement to the watchmaker I use now in the UK. He used to work for Rolex and is a qualified horologist. The watchmaker I used before retired and he charged the same, I had an Omega Speedmaster from 1966 with 321 movement serviced two years ago and paid £350, that was including a replaced part that was very hard to find as of course Omega does not sell parts for those movements anymore. I think genrally watchmakers in the UK is more reasonable than in the US though. The problem with AD’s is that they often replace a lot of parts that does not need to be replaced, their service is generally a massive rip off.
i love the minor details and refinements that luxury watches have over microbrands and lower end watches, but it’s the same stuff you say (had my watch serviced by Breitling too) that made me decide to start looking more at microbrands and diywatch kits. yeah, polish, movement, etc. less refined, but i can work on it w/o breaking bank and it’s my own.
Great video, nice watch……. Unfortunately, unless they replace the totality of all the mechanical parts, it still doesn’t qualify as a new watch, since the bulk of all the other mechanical parts are not new, even if they cleaned them, they are still used.
Thanks for the info!
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews you’re welcome ! Keep them coming !
I'm into things that are dumb. But this takes the cake.
You don’t realize (probably since you’re into dumb things) that commenting helps spread the video and supports the channel. Thank you despite your intentions. Have another slice of cake dummy. 😂🍰
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews I do hope to help your channel. I am on the fence on buying on Omega Seamaster. The realization of the life time cost just was brought to my attention. At my income level it would be a dumb decision to have to tell the wife I need to spend another grand every three years on my watch. Chocolate cake it is. lol
I don’t service my Breitling because I wear Rolex!
Expensive but looks stunning.
Yes sir! Thank you. 🙏
This is why I won’t come near Swiss mechanical chronographs. The service bill will eat me up inside
Totally understandable
Ich seh da 1280 auf der Rechnung?
Great video. The watch is looking amazing!
Hey man! Thanks brother. Good to hear from you.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews Yeah, it's been a bit :/
Should have got the Sinn variant instead ....
Why?
My Seiko SKX779 "Black Sea Monster" that I purchased in 1999 for a grand total of $299.95 USD has been wore on my wrist now for 25-years has never been serviced, has never stopped, keeps time +20 seconds a per day. Your Breitling Navitimer that cost $15,000 USD has a host of dysfunctions to service and the service cost 7-times the cost of my Seiko. My friend please open your eyes your flushing good money down the toilet to wear this so sad Euro trash watch!
Wait a minute. So, the watch industry makes us believe that in-house movements are better than off the shelves movement, so they can charge more for a service? 😏.
Yup 👍…you nailed it.
Yeah, if you pay that much then you don’t have a you gotta find an old time watchmaker make you watch. Good you don’t have to send it back to Breitling
It’s a luxury product, they cost money to keep in good condition. The price is fair considering the hours they have to put into this. It’s a chronometer which always is a minimum of $650 to service and goes up depending if there are major issues with the movement. The free polishing is a bonus and the crystal price is fair. You got a good deal.
Only buy watches you can fix yourself💪🏼
You've got a grail so not a bad deal really.......
That’s what I keep telling myself. 😂
Me with 3 B01 movements: 😱
Ouch!
Getting watches polished and having parts replaced absolutely kills their value, especially on older watches. Please think before you have it done.
Just find a local service centre and use it. Has the world suddenly shifted into an alternate reality or something?
I didn’t mention this in the video, but the my original video touches on the fact this watch was butchered by a local service center. So I decided to send it to Breitling, despite knowing it isn’t the most affordable option but I knew I had the best chance of having the job done properly.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews I fully understand now. That's a great shame. You had a hard financial decision to make. It looks like things turned out OK. I'm surprised this happened, but it's all too common today. I'm glad you have your keeper back. So hopefully, a lesson learned. 😌👌
strange omega send me my old dail back with my seviced watch
🤔 I will say that an Omega Seamaster is next on my list.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews that old dail is yours to you paid that one and you paid the new one so i dont uderstand why they dont give it back to you ?
lol the dial is $500? :|
What’s a Kananamore certification 😂
It's an expensive hobby. Servicing chronographs is always going to cost much more than less complicated watches. People need to know that before buying them.
Spot on mate. Thanks for stopping by. Liking your taste in watches man. I really dig your collection on IG.
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews 🙏🙏🙏🙏
It doesn't need to be anything like this expensive though. The watchmaker I use charges £300 to service a chronograph
another reason to go quartz
Automatics are definitely not meant for everyone. You could buy a 10.00-20.00 quartz and just replace the batteries every few years for 10.00 a pop.
Or buy watches with movements cheap enough to swap them out every ten years.
Or just not wear a watch at all.
I carry a sun dial round with me …. It’s pretty accurate. The concrete base is heavy but on the plus side it doesn’t need servicing. 😊
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The same principle applies if you buy a second hand Rolls Royce…..check out the service costs…..check out new tyre costs. That separates the men from the boys….🇬🇧…😂
@@happydogg312 that’s true too….🤣🤣🤣
Guys, stay away from Breitling!! The movements are since two years not any more adjusted,but simply swapped by a "new" used one. Hence your COSC Certificate is worth nothing, as you have now a NON ORIGINAL movement as your watch was delivered with in the first place! Why are the old parts are not supplied after the service? Because some other "conned" consumer gets them to pay for !! And by the way,old parts are always being resold in their "Vintage Department"....Boy George Kern killed this ones so well operated company to the fullest,what a sad reality !! Nowadays their slogan is : 140 years of the firsts,but will they continue to the future at last ?
With a freelance watchmaker, it would probably only have cost 540 dollars!
How did you manage to do so much damage to the watch. Do you wear it on your car tyre. 😂
😂 Sadly, I bought it that way. I was going to service whatever watch I bought anyway. Just didn’t expect to have to replace the dial!
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews As you rightly said you have a new watch for half the price. I think you did well. This service cost puts me off the very expensive watches plus the time you had to go without it during the service. I want a Lange & Sohne but with Seiko running costs 👍👍
@@stableianF1oracleyes! Seiko is so popular because of the reliability and low service cost. Hell, I wouldn’t even service a Seiko. I would buy a new movement for like 50 and have a watch modding friend swap the movement.
You should have a drink...and then another one... and so on...
I’m drunk already! Can I stop now….please! 😂
@@AvgJoeWatchReviews well look it this way: soon a Seiko 5 will cost 2k.
The seals huh? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂 did I ever tell you my brother’s name is Travis?
Rip off!
Buy a new watch
Thank you for the video. Is the service done in the USA or Switzerland?
Thank you for watching. It was serviced in the US.