Mystic SwaveyTM No chance, Freeza is one of - if not ‘the’ most loved villains in dragon ball and widely considered the best written antagonist in the series.
If you think about it....Baby is like a deadly fungus too. When they touch the body of flies (like Geekdom's Fly reference), they slowly move through the surface of the skin and kills it's prey.
As long as hes vegetas villain and not gokus ill be happy. Goku not knowing much in the way of saiyan history makes almost all of babys chemistry fall flat. Though due to his fight with buu he shouldn't be able to infect vegeta and goku. Vegeta could isolate baby from his body. Goku and vegeta should be off the table. Gohan should be the one to bear it.
@@vulgrim909 Yeah, OP probably meant infection, though you could argue that Vegeta was never "possessed" by Babidi, in the sense that he was never a true puppet.
I mean he had possess a Saiyan to gain vengeance against the Saiyans but he picked the perfect race to possess because Saiyans have the ability to grow stronger after every fierce battle
From what I remember hearing from the GT Perfect Files, Super Baby 2 is basically if Vegeta got Super Saiyan 3 due to the similarities and how Baby progressed. When Baby Vegeta had white hair, but no mechanical wings, that was Tuffelized Super Saiyan. When he gains the mechanical wings, it’s Tuffelized Super Saiyan 2. Now when he takes up his final form (before the Golden Great Ape), that is technically Tuffelized Super Saiyan 3. I remember hearing about that from someone else saying it is in the GT Perfect Files, so idk how true that is
Baby was always interesting villain I mean because if the Red Ribbon Army was able to try and gain revenge on Goku and his friends for the destruction of the Red Ribbon Army then since the Tuffles were intelligent I’m surprised that they didn’t create a backup plan
@@Geekdom101 Well I think Tuffle comes from r and l making the same sound. Tsufurian so They dropped the s in front of t and literally translated to Tuffle. Like with Saiyan being Saiyajin. Just to shorten it out
The backstory of Baby and the truffles is what made Baby an excellent character. The relationship the truffles had to the saiyans is what first sold me on this villain. And to think he almost, just almost, completed his revenge upon the saiyans is why I believe his ranking among the other antagonist in the franchise is at the top.
The best two villains from GT was Baby Vegeta and The Shadow Dragons seeing as though the characters were based on borrowed concepts from DBZ these include the Saiyan and Tuffle War and the overuse of the Dragon Balls
I liked the parallels drawn to the Freiza arc in Baby's character; he seeks revenge on the people that destroyed his race, just like the Saiyans did against Freiza. The role reversal is genius, and moreover, shows some tangible consequences for the Saiyan people's previous lust for conquest and battle. You can't just be marauding across the galaxy committing mass genocide without making some enemies. I might be reading a bit too much into it, but I think it's such an interesting plot device to see these roles reversed and to see Goku and the gang have to essentially reap what the Saiyans had sewn.
Consequence was actually a pretty big theme with GT. Definitely most notable with the shadow dragons being a result of the overuse of the dragon balls.
GT was basic references to old theories back in DBZ because the Tuffles were brought up in the Saiyan Saga of DBZ when King Kai was explaining about the Saiyans and The Shadow Dragons was theory formed by Old Kai because of the overuse of the Dragon Balls
@@Geekdom101 It's just the order in which our Japanese and English say them. But you're right, as the original name is Vegeta-Bebi, both pronunciations are correct. I just wanted to clarify it for others who may not get it.
"Tsufuru", or "Tsuhuru" IS Tuffle. The syllable "Tu" doesn't exist in Japanese and it's often replaced with "Tsu" instead. While "Furu" or "Huru" is supposed to mimic the "fle" sound that also doesn't exist -- basically, if you say "Purple" in japanese, the phonetics makes it "Paapuru", that last bit is the same detraction as "Tsufuru". You can find plenty of similar detractions in DBZ, like "Taresu" being Turles. So, yeah, it has nothing to do with it being a "bad script", it literally is "Tuffle", an obvious play on words with the word "Truffle", which is a type of fungus, much like plenty of other DBZ races and characters have plays on names of food.
Tsufuru(jin) is actually a play on the japanese loan word "Furūtsu" フルーツ (Fruits), just with the syllabes jumbled in the same way Saiya(jin) is a play on the japanese word "Yasai" 野菜 (Vegetables) with scrambled syllabes. Both races hail from Planet Plant so it's quite obvious that they were going for the Fruits pun instead of a Truffle one.
What’s funny is that by adapting the name to tuffle had an unexpected pun added to Baby. tuffle sounds like truffle a type of fungus and what does baby do he infects people.
Baby and the Shadow Dragons were the two best concepts introduced in Dragon Ball GT borrowed from concepts from DBZ like when King Kai was explaining about the Saiyan Tuffle War and Elder Kai explaining the overuse of the Dragon Balls and the negative consequences from using them that’s what made these characters so complex and good
I liked the detail that his Hair became more like the shape of Baby's head when he was in his infant form, like he was transforming Vegeta into himself.
GT is criminally underrated. Baby is one of the best villains we've seen in dragon ball. People really gotta go back and watch it considering most people that diss it havent seen it in over a decade.
I rewatched it and I really think it's a much better continuation than Super. I consider Super to be Kais sequel and GT to be Zs. Time Paradox made by Trunks ;)
I did, and I regret that I did. The "GT stands for Goku Time" meme is founded in reality. Every other character in the series is completely irrelevant. Also, him being a kid is annoying as shit
Frieza: Very sadistic, little monster who will destroy your entire race and planet out of a little fear, or just for laughs Cell: The physically perfect fighter with a broken and inconsistent personality that is partially to blame for his death Majin Buu: The absolute menace Baby: Mr. Steal-Your-Girl Super 17: Android 17 on Steroids Omega Shenron: The Original Dragon Ball Series Trilogy's final God of Destruction
Love GT. Good power scaling, made sense, favorite form, and all the villains were cool. Really felt villainous, especially Omega. It's a Shame people who haven't seen GT say they hate it.
You're implying that the only way someone could dislike it is for them not to watch it at all? Doesn't that sound idiotic too you? Not everyone likes the same things this concept is understood by children.
No one points out that when transforming into Super Baby 2 Vegeta's clothes were completely ripped off, but when reverting back from Golden Oozaru Vegeta got his clothes back?
I should say that super baby 1 and 2 is related to the super saiyan forms. Super baby 2 is said to "resemble ssj3" baby vegeta is ssj1, superbaby 1 is ssj2, and superbaby 2 is ssj3.
I first discovered Baby in a beckett's dbz magazine in 99 or early 2000's. And seeing Baby Vegeta and how cool he looked, was one the few things that got me excited for GT as a kid.
Easily one of the best villains in DB history. What made him so good in my opinion is that he’s identifiable. He wants revenge for what the Sayians did to his people. What pushes his argument over the edge is that he’s blaming and punishing those who were not responsible. It’s a “sins of the fathers” kind of thing.
With the GT Perfect Files, I don't think the comparison would be made if the forms are meant to have no correlation. It doesn't have to be the same exact thing but I'd assume it at least gives a similar boost. Maybe some of the visual changes like the hair would come from the Super Saiyan forms, but most of the visual and physiological changes coming from Baby Vegeta taking on Baby’s actual appearance as a part of the mutation and evolution.
“Tsufurian power evolved” is just the card’s name I believe. I’ve read before (but can’t remember where) that sb1 is vegeta’s ss2, and sb2 is vegeta’s ss3.
It’s never outright stated, but I would absolutely argue it’s explicitly implied. Baby absorbed Vegeta while he was a Super Sayian, which means inherently that Baby Vegeta’s default white hair form is Vegeta’s SSJ. No other character powers down when Baby absorbs them, so there’s no reason that Vegeta would power down to his base. While SB1 doesn’t have the lightning iconic of SSJ2, I’d make a strong arguement that Baby Vegeta’s hair growing for SB2 is not primarily because of Baby modifying Vegeta’s appearance, but instead because it’s Vegeta’s SSJ3 form. What evidence do I have to support this, considering that SB2’s hair looks like Baby’s and not an SSJ3? The answer is simple: SB1 literally grew giant metal wings out of his shoulders, you think that’s easier to accomplish than changing your hair style?
I find hard to believe Baby Vegeta's white hair is Vegeta's SSJ. Right before he meets Trunks on Earth, Vegata (Baby) was on his base form, and then hemis hair just simply turned white. It wasn't a transformation. In the BT3 game, Baby Vegeta (base form) doesn't glow like all the other SSJ models in the game. However, i believe his second and final forms (named Super Baby and Super Baby 2 in this game) do glow like a SSJ and they have the golden aura when charging Ki.
The reason Baby was in control of the Oozaru form was because he is still a parasite and he already is in full control of Vegeta's mind. It's only Vegeta's body that transformed. That's why he didn't go SS4. It was a Golden Oozaru under mind control.
Imagine Baby making a comeback in Super. Perhaps an interesting struggle would be Baby infesting Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku, and the Z Fighters learning to overcome his almost unstoppable might. Provides interesting opportunities for the existing cast to discover new powers and Goku struggling from within to overcome Baby
@@x.MaverickHunter.x Final Bout wasn't GT game. It was just Dragon Ball Final Bout. Having GT characters doesn't make it GT game, especially if majority of characters still came from Z.
In my head Canon I still say super baby 2 vegeta is ssj3 vegeta like how Majin vegeta was ssj2 vegeta while being controlled but due to the tuffle cyborg genes from baby his hair took a diff form mimicking baby but he still loses the eyebrows signinifying his transformation into the ssj3 state
The Revenge Death Ball is a reverse Spirit Bomb Yakudama is what i think it was called in Japanese Yakudama, Genkidama see I thought the reason was Baby was a Parasite and not the Body
I will say I'd love to see Bebi and Hatchiyak redone for a duel villain saga in Super. It's be a nice call back to both GT and PTETSS. Plus imagine Bebi in control of Hatchiyak. That'd be one hell of a terrifying enemy.
Baby was a great villian and wasn't a recycled character but something brand new and unique, even the shadow dragons, Legic, General Rildo, all cool a** enemies, way better than many character designs in Super imo.
Geekdom You Forgot To Mention How Baby Was Able To Rip Through Dimensions When He Threw The Revenge Death Ball At Goku And Kaibito Kai Tried Saving Him But The Shockwaves Sent Goku Into Another Dimension That Goku Broke Out Of
@@Geekdom101 Well you could say that Cooler knew that the Saiyans killed both Frieza n King Cold, but because he's not stupid, he trains for years and years and years (P much since the Android Saga), reunites a MASSIVE army and achieves the Golden State in his Super Form (the one DB Heroes shows), then he decides to invade (and then destroy) the entire galaxy to make up for his family. Then we are revealed that Cooler has been looking for the Dragon Balls and manages to revive Frieza n King Cold (who both trained in Hell) and then we get Frieza/Golden Cooler/Final Form King Cold vs Z Fighters, and maybe, just maybe, the use of Gogeta or Vegetto. Or something like that.
I think they’re called Tuffles in the English dub because it’s a food pun on a candy called a Truffle, and Dragon Ball is known for having a lot of names that are puns, food puns being especially prevalent
@@jenpachi2408 Huh? I guess you might mean him not remembering that Baby Vegeta got the armor after after everyone gave him their energy or omething, but that would not have been in this thread' context.
@@Gking0906. How in the hell were the character development poor like come on dude so your telling me that pan didn't have a development or vegeta hell even uub had a development so explain to me how they didn't have any
Its also why he never went ss4 The transition from golden oozaru to ss4 was predicated on gaining control over the form. Because vegeta never had control over the form he did not progress to ss4.
If they do a GT reboot in the future they need to keep Baby and the shadow dragons as the main villains. Wouldnt mind if they would add more depth for him like they did with Broly. Like make Baby believe he is the saviour who just wants to bring the tuffle race back to its glory by eliminating the saiyans. Goku: "what will you do after you finished your plan?" Baby: I can finally rest, watch the tuffle race grow back to is prime.
Yea the problem with dragon ball villains is that they are often one dimensional. Baby had reasons like you said should had just focused on bringing back the planet tuffle and to take revenge on the saiyans.
Well no, the GT Perfect Files say that Super Baby 1 and 2 are his versions of SSJ2 and 3. Which makes sense as it also says “instead of golden hair, his becomes white.” And we even see this as when he takes over Vegeta’s body and powers up to SSJ, his hair is white but he has a golden aura
Regular=Base White Hair=SSJ Second Form/Super Baby=SS2 Final Form/Super Baby 2=SS3 Golden Great Ape Without Vegeta Baby Baby Teen Baby Adukt Baby (after leaving Vegeta)
@@belle4107 Wiki isn't the source, it's full of bullshit. Super Baby 1 and 2 were never stated or even implied to have anything to do with SSJ2 and SSJ3. It's just fan theory. The only official info comes from Perfect Files and says that Super Baby 2 DESIGN remind of SSJ3 because of lack of eyebrows and longer hair.
So, I've always had the idea that Baby Vegeta's forms were a mix of his Super Saiyan Forms and Baby's growth and control inside of Vegeta. When we first see Vegeta infected by Baby he's in his base form with no visual sign besides his demeanor and actions, then the white hair I just figured was a result of going Super Saiyan while infected. So Super Baby Vegeta 1 and 2 would be SSJ2 and then the only time Vegeta would've gone SSJ3, plus a heavily altered appearance due to Baby's increasing assimilation and growth. As a result the multipliers for SSJ would be skewed because how much Baby would be adding/multiplying to Vegeta's power is unknown. I've not read the perfect files personally, as this is the headcannon I've always had, but I don't see anything directly saying this is accurate nor wrong. Regardless, thank you for doing a video on one of my favorite villains! In my opinion, Baby has the best motivation of any villain, and I put him up there with Cell, who is my absolute favorite
Baby is technically a Super Tuffle since he is not really the same type of Tuffle as the Tuffles from planet Vegeta. "Uncatalogued bio-technologic Tuffle DNA detected. Tuffle DNA acquired and available!" - Omnitrix.
Gt was ahead of its time. Went over a lot pf peoples heads when it came out. I always wanted to watch it when it came out but there was no way to watch it back in the days for me. After watching it , it’s really fkn good.
I’ve never had the time to understand who baby was..I watched all of the original z on toonami as a kid , watched DB throughout the years and all of super in SUB while it was out This made me want to watch GT, feel like I should lol
@@joeclaridy. So you want him to skip the episodes that show goku pan and trunks going out on the adventure meeting new characters that actually shows up in the last battle to look for the dragonballs smfh you an't no real dragonball fan and how can you say that those episodes were filler when gt isn't canon lol make no sense
I think baby vegeta is one of my Cavite villains of the history of DB!He wants like any other villain who wanted revenge or had no perpes of being a villain Sean's a has a reason and has a great backstory!!
@@LukeWebster1991 All Buu cared about was eating sweets and fighting people. Baby had a true motive: to get revenge for his Tuffle race by destroying the Saiyans
Baby is stupid for one thing, he's obsessed with wiping out the Saiyans but decides to absorb most of them into his clan whilst using the second most strongest as his main body. Why does he think that Goku is the only Saiyan that needs killing instead of trying to wear him down and take over him as he did with Vegeta and the others?
Because he wasn't just trying to get revenge against the Saiyans, but against Vegeta's lineage specifically. He took over Vegeta's body and made Bulma his bride that did his bidding. That's a little more sinister imo.
Baby was always bullshit. Vegeta should have been able to isolate baby like he did buu. His story was muddled because he decided to fight a saiyan blank slate instead of the saiyan who actually had chemistry with him.
Lol makes me laugh because I actually watched the Japanese version first where King Kai explains the saiyans to Goku. When I watched it Dub I was like.... WTF are Tuffles??? Lol
Probably the best thing from GT besides SSJ4.
What about Kamehameha ×10? Wasn't that good😂?
Austin Long1639. The entire baby arc, super 17 arc, ssj4 fusion and the shadow Dragon arcs are good so gt have alot of good moments
Nah dragonfist was the best, then ssj4 then baby
@@blackfrieza1912 true
@@blackfrieza1912 I agree!
The most underrated villain in all of Dragon Ball.
Nah Frieza
Mystic SwaveyTM frieza is the most well known villain of dragon ball how is he underrated ?
Mystic SwaveyTM No chance, Freeza is one of - if not ‘the’ most loved villains in dragon ball and widely considered the best written antagonist in the series.
If you think about it....Baby is like a deadly fungus too. When they touch the body of flies (like Geekdom's Fly reference), they slowly move through the surface of the skin and kills it's prey.
Him and Dabura both
I really wish they did a Baby reboot like they did with Broly.
Same
Maybe change the name tho... Baby is such an awful name.
Agreed.
KAMIN AND OREN ARE KIND OF A REBOOT?
As long as hes vegetas villain and not gokus ill be happy. Goku not knowing much in the way of saiyan history makes almost all of babys chemistry fall flat. Though due to his fight with buu he shouldn't be able to infect vegeta and goku. Vegeta could isolate baby from his body. Goku and vegeta should be off the table. Gohan should be the one to bear it.
The power of possession. Vegeta's one weakness.
And his pride being crushed
Vegeta's worst fears: being infected by Baby, the dreaded worms, and his daughter thinking that he's lame.
Vegeta overcame possession in the buu saga tho it had no effect on him so canonically not his weakness.
@@vulgrim909 Yeah, OP probably meant infection, though you could argue that Vegeta was never "possessed" by Babidi, in the sense that he was never a true puppet.
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The funny thing about Baby was him literally becoming the very thing he hated, a Sayain
Same thing with zamasu taking goku's body
He said that
after he was done with all the others he would kill vegeta himself
I mean he had possess a Saiyan to gain vengeance against the Saiyans but he picked the perfect race to possess because Saiyans have the ability to grow stronger after every fierce battle
He mentioned that only got Vegeta's body cause he is the son of King Vegeta, the one who commanded the other saiyans to kill the Tsufurians.
@@yunghive4771 which makes you think that supers writers are hypocrites
From what I remember hearing from the GT Perfect Files, Super Baby 2 is basically if Vegeta got Super Saiyan 3 due to the similarities and how Baby progressed. When Baby Vegeta had white hair, but no mechanical wings, that was Tuffelized Super Saiyan. When he gains the mechanical wings, it’s Tuffelized Super Saiyan 2. Now when he takes up his final form (before the Golden Great Ape), that is technically Tuffelized Super Saiyan 3. I remember hearing about that from someone else saying it is in the GT Perfect Files, so idk how true that is
I really liked Baby in GT
Baby was always interesting villain I mean because if the Red Ribbon Army was able to try and gain revenge on Goku and his friends for the destruction of the Red Ribbon Army then since the Tuffles were intelligent I’m surprised that they didn’t create a backup plan
He was cool.
Best break downs, never understood this, when they called him tuffle or whatever put me off. Thanks for calling him the og name
no problem bro
@@Geekdom101 Well I think Tuffle comes from r and l making the same sound. Tsufurian so They dropped the s in front of t and literally translated to Tuffle. Like with Saiyan being Saiyajin. Just to shorten it out
Tsufurian or Tuffle preferably I like tuffle because it’s just simpler to say but Tsufurian is pretty awesome
The backstory of Baby and the truffles is what made Baby an excellent character. The relationship the truffles had to the saiyans is what first sold me on this villain. And to think he almost, just almost, completed his revenge upon the saiyans is why I believe his ranking among the other antagonist in the franchise is at the top.
What relationship
"Enough, you dare insult the great Baby!"
"I am not calling you baby!"
That's it kill them
Lmao that DevilArtemis ref.
"From now on, your name is Bob"
Was that imitation voice talking to baby, vegeta's voice? @@pokeluis2002
Who's here because they added Super Baby 2 in Dragonball Fighterz?
just bought him last night on my switch
Love getting GT content in 2020
hell yeah - been waiting until DBS took a break to cover it.
@@Geekdom101 Good plan! Keep up the awesome work
DBGT was always pretty cool to me because It was continuation of the anime
You sound like a teacher and we are enrolled to Geekdom101
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Baby and Omega Shenron my favorite villains from GT I loved that show
The best two villains from GT was Baby Vegeta and The Shadow Dragons seeing as though the characters were based on borrowed concepts from DBZ these include the Saiyan and Tuffle War and the overuse of the Dragon Balls
I liked the parallels drawn to the Freiza arc in Baby's character; he seeks revenge on the people that destroyed his race, just like the Saiyans did against Freiza.
The role reversal is genius, and moreover, shows some tangible consequences for the Saiyan people's previous lust for conquest and battle. You can't just be marauding across the galaxy committing mass genocide without making some enemies.
I might be reading a bit too much into it, but I think it's such an interesting plot device to see these roles reversed and to see Goku and the gang have to essentially reap what the Saiyans had sewn.
Apophis Gaming well said
Consequence was actually a pretty big theme with GT. Definitely most notable with the shadow dragons being a result of the overuse of the dragon balls.
GT was basic references to old theories back in DBZ because the Tuffles were brought up in the Saiyan Saga of DBZ when King Kai was explaining about the Saiyans and The Shadow Dragons was theory formed by Old Kai because of the overuse of the Dragon Balls
You reap what you sow
I can't say "Vegeta Baby" outloud and take myself seriously.
Then say Baby Vegeta because Vegeta Baby is wrong
@@GogitoGTHD Vegeta-Bebi is his name in the Japanese - so no - its not wrong.
But Baby Vegeta works too.
Baby Yoda vs Baby Vegeta
@@Geekdom101 It's just the order in which our Japanese and English say them. But you're right, as the original name is Vegeta-Bebi, both pronunciations are correct. I just wanted to clarify it for others who may not get it.
@That Guy as stated in the video, they are synonyms.
And it's all about different dialects placing words at different points in the phrase
"Tsufuru", or "Tsuhuru" IS Tuffle. The syllable "Tu" doesn't exist in Japanese and it's often replaced with "Tsu" instead. While "Furu" or "Huru" is supposed to mimic the "fle" sound that also doesn't exist -- basically, if you say "Purple" in japanese, the phonetics makes it "Paapuru", that last bit is the same detraction as "Tsufuru". You can find plenty of similar detractions in DBZ, like "Taresu" being Turles. So, yeah, it has nothing to do with it being a "bad script", it literally is "Tuffle", an obvious play on words with the word "Truffle", which is a type of fungus, much like plenty of other DBZ races and characters have plays on names of food.
Is tuffle pronounced tu-fe-l?
Tsufuru(jin) is actually a play on the japanese loan word "Furūtsu" フルーツ (Fruits), just with the syllabes jumbled in the same way Saiya(jin) is a play on the japanese word "Yasai" 野菜 (Vegetables) with scrambled syllabes.
Both races hail from Planet Plant so it's quite obvious that they were going for the Fruits pun instead of a Truffle one.
@@hastat7322 ye, i never understood why tuffle was used as the english substitute, i guess they needed something else more... Believable?
It sounds better than tuffle
What’s funny is that by adapting the name to tuffle had an unexpected pun added to Baby. tuffle sounds like truffle a type of fungus and what does baby do he infects people.
If GT kept going, do you think they would have scraped some of his DNA from the sun and created Bio-Baby? 😂😂😂
It can if done collectedly and not what they did with Bio-Turd aka Bio-Broly.
Game Over sun baby is the greatest dragon ball villain to never exist. Heroes, get the fuck on this brilliant concept.
That Guy “baby broly sun form”
Could legit see that in heroes tbh
@Game Over What kind of Teletubbies shit are you trying to pull?
Imagine if the Big Gete star would’ve absorbed the consciousness or cells of Baby and made thousands of evil genetic tuffle creatures similar to Baby
Baby is such a great design. I really wish he had more action figures and appeared in more games.
first design was extremely appealing, also the first vegeta form was good, the rest was weird looking imo
Say what you will about GT. You got to admit that Baby is one of best Villains in Dragon Ball History
Facts
Your to kind
Definitely. He's my favorite along with cell.
Baby and the Shadow Dragons were the two best concepts introduced in Dragon Ball GT borrowed from concepts from DBZ like when King Kai was explaining about the Saiyan Tuffle War and Elder Kai explaining the overuse of the Dragon Balls and the negative consequences from using them that’s what made these characters so complex and good
Had to pause Supernatural for this- and I don't regret it
I just got into supernatural, I'm liking it 🤘🏻
I love supernatural I haven't watched it in a while dean, caz, and Crowley are my favorite characters.
The anime one is dope
Lord Yamcha?
More like *LORD YAMCHAD!!!*
My dragonball side loves you while my Supernatural side hates you
I liked the detail that his Hair became more like the shape of Baby's head when he was in his infant form, like he was transforming Vegeta into himself.
One of the Best villain in Entire Dragon Ball franchise.
King piccolo: hold my beer
Wrong! It's Copy Vegeta...
Zamasu: hold my Potara Earrings
Moro: and hold my magic
@@johnnysmith92 Zamasu was no joke! He was very calculating, cunning and unstoppable! In the end, only Zeno was able to destroy him!
Omega shenron
Happy to see the GT content! You don't see a lot of in depth GT discussion and it's nice to see variety.
GT is criminally underrated. Baby is one of the best villains we've seen in dragon ball. People really gotta go back and watch it considering most people that diss it havent seen it in over a decade.
I rewatched it and I really think it's a much better continuation than Super. I consider Super to be Kais sequel and GT to be Zs. Time Paradox made by Trunks ;)
I did, and I regret that I did.
The "GT stands for Goku Time" meme is founded in reality. Every other character in the series is completely irrelevant.
Also, him being a kid is annoying as shit
@@LookingTheBest DBS is way better in my opinion, I recently watch DBGT and only the Baby arc was good.
Definitely appreciate it more nowadays..super is kid friendly trash.
Factssss
Frieza: Very sadistic, little monster who will destroy your entire race and planet out of a little fear, or just for laughs
Cell: The physically perfect fighter with a broken and inconsistent personality that is partially to blame for his death
Majin Buu: The absolute menace
Baby: Mr. Steal-Your-Girl
Super 17: Android 17 on Steroids
Omega Shenron: The Original Dragon Ball Series Trilogy's final God of Destruction
A very good description of each villain.
Baby is like a reverse majin buu, ability-wise
One of the best anime storytellers ever, I can finally piece everything together with baby's saga now because of this video.
Love GT. Good power scaling, made sense, favorite form, and all the villains were cool. Really felt villainous, especially Omega. It's a Shame people who haven't seen GT say they hate it.
Outside of the baby and shadow dragons arc I feel like it just wasn't as good as the other shows.
@@thamostgangsta12 baby arc makes up for it imo
You're implying that the only way someone could dislike it is for them not to watch it at all? Doesn't that sound idiotic too you? Not everyone likes the same things this concept is understood by children.
The problem is the sidelined vegeta too hard. It was too much about goku. Others needed importance as well
I thoroughly enjoyed my time watching GT. Is it as good as the others? No. But for what it’s worth, I liked it
No one points out that when transforming into Super Baby 2 Vegeta's clothes were completely ripped off, but when reverting back from Golden Oozaru Vegeta got his clothes back?
Goku's Transformation into a Golden ape also ripped His clothes apart
You guys want something from vegeta? Cuz thats the impression ive gotten from this
The clothes are apart of him no?
I should say that super baby 1 and 2 is related to the super saiyan forms. Super baby 2 is said to "resemble ssj3" baby vegeta is ssj1, superbaby 1 is ssj2, and superbaby 2 is ssj3.
When you made this video would you even have thought this character would gain new popularity through DBFZ?
He certainly was a surprise for me.
I first discovered Baby in a beckett's dbz magazine in 99 or early 2000's. And seeing Baby Vegeta and how cool he looked, was one the few things that got me excited for GT as a kid.
I love those yes!
GT been flouting around a lot in 2020 💪🏾 loving this
Easily one of the best villains in DB history.
What made him so good in my opinion is that he’s identifiable. He wants revenge for what the Sayians did to his people. What pushes his argument over the edge is that he’s blaming and punishing those who were not responsible.
It’s a “sins of the fathers” kind of thing.
There’s no way they don’t add him to dragon ball the breakers. It’s literally perfect
With the GT Perfect Files, I don't think the comparison would be made if the forms are meant to have no correlation. It doesn't have to be the same exact thing but I'd assume it at least gives a similar boost. Maybe some of the visual changes like the hair would come from the Super Saiyan forms, but most of the visual and physiological changes coming from Baby Vegeta taking on Baby’s actual appearance as a part of the mutation and evolution.
Here after his DBFZ release to understand why the hell he's called "Super Baby 2" since i didn't watch GT lol
You must be a kid if you’ve never watched GT
@@nightsphenom7122 don’t see what my age has to do with it lol I never wanted to watch GT
@@NinjaGuyDan_ I don't really know why either and I watched gt but that's what they call him in a ton of games
I was wondering yesterday what happened to the Transformation Guide. Well, there's my answer!
far from over, but i had to postpone cause of a buncha stuff
@@Geekdom101 Ok, that makes complete sense! Take all the time you need, pal!
“Tsufurian power evolved” is just the card’s name I believe.
I’ve read before (but can’t remember where) that sb1 is vegeta’s ss2, and sb2 is vegeta’s ss3.
You are right
Blaine Hoover no it isn’t
right right thank you!
It’s never outright stated, but I would absolutely argue it’s explicitly implied. Baby absorbed Vegeta while he was a Super Sayian, which means inherently that Baby Vegeta’s default white hair form is Vegeta’s SSJ. No other character powers down when Baby absorbs them, so there’s no reason that Vegeta would power down to his base.
While SB1 doesn’t have the lightning iconic of SSJ2, I’d make a strong arguement that Baby Vegeta’s hair growing for SB2 is not primarily because of Baby modifying Vegeta’s appearance, but instead because it’s Vegeta’s SSJ3 form. What evidence do I have to support this, considering that SB2’s hair looks like Baby’s and not an SSJ3? The answer is simple: SB1 literally grew giant metal wings out of his shoulders, you think that’s easier to accomplish than changing your hair style?
I find hard to believe Baby Vegeta's white hair is Vegeta's SSJ. Right before he meets Trunks on Earth, Vegata (Baby) was on his base form, and then hemis hair just simply turned white. It wasn't a transformation.
In the BT3 game, Baby Vegeta (base form) doesn't glow like all the other SSJ models in the game. However, i believe his second and final forms (named Super Baby and Super Baby 2 in this game) do glow like a SSJ and they have the golden aura when charging Ki.
The reason Baby was in control of the Oozaru form was because he is still a parasite and he already is in full control of Vegeta's mind. It's only Vegeta's body that transformed. That's why he didn't go SS4. It was a Golden Oozaru under mind control.
Well, half-right. To be SSJ4, you needed to be pure-blooded. Since Baby took over Vegeta, he couldn't turn SSJ4.
@@pariahdark1892
DB Heroes fucked that up with Gohan SSJ4, iirc.
Imagine Baby making a comeback in Super. Perhaps an interesting struggle would be Baby infesting Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku, and the Z Fighters learning to overcome his almost unstoppable might.
Provides interesting opportunities for the existing cast to discover new powers and Goku struggling from within to overcome Baby
Here for the baby vegeta hype in dragon ball fighterz.
Super 17, uub and Omega will be in Season 4 along with 2 other chars
@@alexnice2221 yeah hope he's good
Same im super hyped
This was great to see Baby broken down so great To me he’s my favorite villians behind freiza & Cell so it says alot 🔥🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏽💪🏽
The should make a Dragon Ball GT game. Then you can fight Rildo
They did for the PS1 and it was straight ass.
they have!
@@joeclaridy That was on GBA. There was no GT game on PS1. The GBA one is the only GT game.
Lyserg1260 I believe it was called dragon ball GT. final bout
@@x.MaverickHunter.x Final Bout wasn't GT game. It was just Dragon Ball Final Bout. Having GT characters doesn't make it GT game, especially if majority of characters still came from Z.
Baby was a very interesting character in Dragonball gt
In my head Canon I still say super baby 2 vegeta is ssj3 vegeta like how Majin vegeta was ssj2 vegeta while being controlled but due to the tuffle cyborg genes from baby his hair took a diff form mimicking baby but he still loses the eyebrows signinifying his transformation into the ssj3 state
Hey, it's Bob !
... I hate to call him 'Baby'...
No, Devilartemis should have took his time with Baby, but instead, rushes it.
Stop calling me that!
“The names Butch not Bob!”
Not having the best of days today so Geekdom dropping this video definitely helps. Appreciate it man keep up the good content.
hope it gets better
The Revenge Death Ball is a reverse Spirit Bomb
Yakudama is what i think it was called in Japanese
Yakudama, Genkidama see
I thought the reason was Baby was a Parasite and not the Body
yes! I might do a Technique Guide on it
@@Geekdom101 that is awesome
Let’s goo!! I’m hyped
Yeah since it's called revenge DEATH ball
And (if i remember correcly) geekdom said that genki means life (or something) and opposite
Of life is death
I will say I'd love to see Bebi and Hatchiyak redone for a duel villain saga in Super. It's be a nice call back to both GT and PTETSS. Plus imagine Bebi in control of Hatchiyak. That'd be one hell of a terrifying enemy.
There is an official but non canon fusion of baby hatchyak look about it
It could be that someone must be in complete control of one's self to achieve SS4, so being possessed means no Super Saiyan 4
That's good
@@carlwebber4094 true!
The whole baby arc was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I always thought of super baby 2 being ssj 3 expecially with the lack of eyebrows
A vid I've been waiting on from you. Thanks for your work!
The name just makes it sound like Goku is attacking Vegeta as a baby.
Baby was a great villian and wasn't a recycled character but something brand new and unique, even the shadow dragons, Legic, General Rildo, all cool a** enemies, way better than many character designs in Super imo.
Geekdom You Forgot To Mention How Baby Was Able To Rip Through Dimensions When He Threw The Revenge Death Ball At Goku And Kaibito Kai Tried Saving Him But The Shockwaves Sent Goku Into Another Dimension That Goku Broke Out Of
They need to remake baby and put his story into a movie with vegeta finally getting the shine he deserves
I would have preferred Cooler as the main villain in Resurrection F without a revived Frieza
hmmm well it wouldnt be a revenge story so much
@@Geekdom101 Well you could say that Cooler knew that the Saiyans killed both Frieza n King Cold, but because he's not stupid, he trains for years and years and years (P much since the Android Saga), reunites a MASSIVE army and achieves the Golden State in his Super Form (the one DB Heroes shows), then he decides to invade (and then destroy) the entire galaxy to make up for his family. Then we are revealed that Cooler has been looking for the Dragon Balls and manages to revive Frieza n King Cold (who both trained in Hell) and then we get Frieza/Golden Cooler/Final Form King Cold vs Z Fighters, and maybe, just maybe, the use of Gogeta or Vegetto.
Or something like that.
Ace_Wash hahahhaha
Fukatsu no C
@@McCreepeh that sounds like it would take up more than one movie
I think they’re called Tuffles in the English dub because it’s a food pun on a candy called a Truffle, and Dragon Ball is known for having a lot of names that are puns, food puns being especially prevalent
Watching this after baby Vegeta and SSJ4 Gogeta drop on Dragonball Fighters Z
I think it was both Vegeta's body getting stronger, and the fact that Vegeta and baby were fused together! I think that makes the most sense.🤔🤨
who else here because super baby just came out for Dragon Ball fighterZ
Watching this while I have an ear infection. My ear is bleeding. Thank you. Your videos help cheer me up.
DevilArtemis Cell: "I'm not calling you 'baby!'"
How dare you
exactly i kind of wish geekdom did more research before making videos thats relevant information that he couldve mentioned
@@jenpachi2408
Huh? I guess you might mean him not remembering that Baby Vegeta got the armor after after everyone gave him their energy or omething, but that would not have been in this thread' context.
Apparently his names baby cause Myuu saw him as his baby, but like in that case wouldn’t you wanna give it an actual name?
“Super baby 2” is the coolest version of baby. Change my mind. (You can’t)
Baby and his entire arc is one of my favorite things from GT
GT wasn’t that bad I feel baby design and voice was amazing and backstory
I agree.. they ended it too quick
The most underrated villain in the entire franchise. I really hope they bring him back for a movie or Super.
Trap Montana I will forever defend the fact that GT had AMAZING concepts that were executed extremely badly
MuiGreatApes I can agree I feel gt had great ideas and cool villains but the development was poor but super isn’t doing any better
@@Gking0906. How in the hell were the character development poor like come on dude so your telling me that pan didn't have a development or vegeta hell even uub had a development so explain to me how they didn't have any
Final Baby form with his longer hair is Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta
The best DB villain hands down!
Your to kind thank you
I realy love these guides
Baby Vegeta is the best DB Villain of all time imo.
Baby is one of my favorite Dragon Ball Villains and it's nice to see a video about Baby's transformations. Also, I love these Transformation videos.
Imagine if the Tuffels and the sayins actually came together with brains and brawn they would be like unstoppable
We would never get along not after what they did
@@TK-wy9py I'm Pretty Sure Goku Would Never Allow Himself Or Vegeta To Be Taken Over By Baby
@@futuregohan4837 well that's why I did it by force!
@@TK-wy9py just come to earth and make tuffle-human hybrids
The main hunk line and sinker for GT, they nailed this and made people interested again
Haters: GeEkDoM iS rUnNiNg oUt Of MaTeRiAl
Hated GT growing up but looking back on it I appreciate what it was trying to do and most of the villains are dope.
I always thought baby had control in oozaru form because he was controlling his body so the oozarus wild nature was never really an issue?
Its also why he never went ss4 The transition from golden oozaru to ss4 was predicated on gaining control over the form. Because vegeta never had control over the form he did not progress to ss4.
Rip Akira Toriyama Sensei💔
If they do a GT reboot in the future they need to keep Baby and the shadow dragons as the main villains.
Wouldnt mind if they would add more depth for him like they did with Broly. Like make Baby believe he is the saviour who just wants to bring the tuffle race back to its glory by eliminating the saiyans.
Goku: "what will you do after you finished your plan?"
Baby: I can finally rest, watch the tuffle race grow back to is prime.
I hated how baby wanted to randomly rule the universe, if they cut that out, he would be way better.
Yea the problem with dragon ball villains is that they are often one dimensional. Baby had reasons like you said should had just focused on bringing back the planet tuffle and to take revenge on the saiyans.
Daniel Medjedovic hahahahaha no
Well no, the GT Perfect Files say that Super Baby 1 and 2 are his versions of SSJ2 and 3. Which makes sense as it also says “instead of golden hair, his becomes white.” And we even see this as when he takes over Vegeta’s body and powers up to SSJ, his hair is white but he has a golden aura
Regular=Base
White Hair=SSJ
Second Form/Super Baby=SS2
Final Form/Super Baby 2=SS3
Golden Great Ape
Without Vegeta
Baby Baby
Teen Baby
Adukt Baby (after leaving Vegeta)
DMG Mana finally someone knows
@@2Bound2 yes
Super Baby 1 and 2 have nothing to do with SSJ2 and SSJ3.
@@belle4107 Wiki isn't the source, it's full of bullshit. Super Baby 1 and 2 were never stated or even implied to have anything to do with SSJ2 and SSJ3. It's just fan theory. The only official info comes from Perfect Files and says that Super Baby 2 DESIGN remind of SSJ3 because of lack of eyebrows and longer hair.
@@belle4107 RESEMBLES. It doesn't mean he's SSJ3.
“Goodbye Baby, we hardly knew ye” lol love that.
So, I've always had the idea that Baby Vegeta's forms were a mix of his Super Saiyan Forms and Baby's growth and control inside of Vegeta. When we first see Vegeta infected by Baby he's in his base form with no visual sign besides his demeanor and actions, then the white hair I just figured was a result of going Super Saiyan while infected. So Super Baby Vegeta 1 and 2 would be SSJ2 and then the only time Vegeta would've gone SSJ3, plus a heavily altered appearance due to Baby's increasing assimilation and growth. As a result the multipliers for SSJ would be skewed because how much Baby would be adding/multiplying to Vegeta's power is unknown. I've not read the perfect files personally, as this is the headcannon I've always had, but I don't see anything directly saying this is accurate nor wrong.
Regardless, thank you for doing a video on one of my favorite villains! In my opinion, Baby has the best motivation of any villain, and I put him up there with Cell, who is my absolute favorite
Geekdom101 = Best Dragon Ball UA-camr
thx!
Baby is technically a Super Tuffle since he is not really the same type of Tuffle as the Tuffles from planet Vegeta. "Uncatalogued bio-technologic Tuffle DNA detected. Tuffle DNA acquired and available!" - Omnitrix.
Thanks for that
2:55 He can lay EGGS not seeds, but nice video anyway
Gt was ahead of its time. Went over a lot pf peoples heads when it came out. I always wanted to watch it when it came out but there was no way to watch it back in the days for me. After watching it , it’s really fkn good.
I’ve never had the time to understand who baby was..I watched all of the original z on toonami as a kid , watched DB throughout the years and all of super in SUB while it was out
This made me want to watch GT, feel like I should lol
Skip the first 5 episodes, they're pretty much filler episodes. Watch episode 1 and skip to 6.
joe claridy nice ! I’ve seen all the dope fights between Ss4 Gogeta and omega Shenron. It’ll feed my crave for some unseen Dragon ball 🤙🏼
Skip to episode 16
HEYHAZE29 no
Watch the whole series
@@joeclaridy. So you want him to skip the episodes that show goku pan and trunks going out on the adventure meeting new characters that actually shows up in the last battle to look for the dragonballs smfh you an't no real dragonball fan and how can you say that those episodes were filler when gt isn't canon lol make no sense
I think baby vegeta is one of my Cavite villains of the history of DB!He wants like any other villain who wanted revenge or had no perpes of being a villain Sean's a has a reason and has a great backstory!!
Baby is a better villain than Majin Buu. Fight me.
A better character but not a better villain.
Especially because Buu was pure evil he didn't have any grudges that made him evil. He just was.
Buu wasn't a great villain at all, he was menacing and real threat yes, but Baby had villainous intentions and was a purely evil being.
@@LukeWebster1991 All Buu cared about was eating sweets and fighting people. Baby had a true motive: to get revenge for his Tuffle race by destroying the Saiyans
I would have to agree with you
@@KelpyG. With me??
In the movie Howard the duck.... The dark overlord posses the scientist, and slowly progresses to his true form, that was badass.
Personally always liked Baby as a character. Definitely one of the stronger parts of GT and a great villain!
Man Dragonball Z art style hits different I love it
Baby is stupid for one thing, he's obsessed with wiping out the Saiyans but decides to absorb most of them into his clan whilst using the second most strongest as his main body. Why does he think that Goku is the only Saiyan that needs killing instead of trying to wear him down and take over him as he did with Vegeta and the others?
Because he wasn't just trying to get revenge against the Saiyans, but against Vegeta's lineage specifically. He took over Vegeta's body and made Bulma his bride that did his bidding. That's a little more sinister imo.
@Daniel Ppa not really. He's using the saiyans to kill saiyans.
Baby was always bullshit. Vegeta should have been able to isolate baby like he did buu. His story was muddled because he decided to fight a saiyan blank slate instead of the saiyan who actually had chemistry with him.
Ya do sound like a teacher lol this is geekdom 101 class 🤘😎🙏
Lol makes me laugh because I actually watched the Japanese version first where King Kai explains the saiyans to Goku. When I watched it Dub I was like.... WTF are Tuffles??? Lol