The FASA Trek Four Years War!! Part 2 of 2!
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- The first written rendition of the Federation vs Klingon War that happened in the 23’rd cetury by FASA corp, the writers of the original Star Trek - The Role Playing Game; written in 1986! In part 2, the Klingons being a full scale invasion! Part 1 is here: • The 'FASA-Trek' Four Y...
This is what the Axanar fan film, and perhaps Star Trek Discovery, took a lot of inspiration from.
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As an Andorian once said, "Don't push the pink skins to the thin ice." Us humans can go along as peaceful as a lamb for years if it suits us. But when it doesn't, we can make a Mama Grizzly bear look like a tame tabby cat.
Ahh the storyline that should’ve been canon! Thank you for bringing this to life well done sir!
Precisely bro. Although to me this Story line will always be canon.
tony carlson couldn’t agree more...the FASA Triangle should’ve been used too so many stories to go in that universe!
@@SCSuperheavy114 yes brother you are so right!The FASA Triangle deserves it's own movie trilogy. So stupid that never became official canon.
definitely what star trek discovery should have been about
This is a great story, I hope no one ever does a bad reboot of it..
This is the Star Trek: Discovery we apparently didn't deserve.
LOL a Star Trek fan that thinks a loose outline of non-existent events is better than an award-winning show that's still going strong and helped relaunch Star Trek television.
YOU are the fanbase Discovery doesn't deserve or need. Good riddance.
@@therexbellator lol
@@therexbellator Trolls are so funny
@@codeviper8665 Good thing I'm not trolling :)
@@therexbellator yeah....sure...good night!
The Federation itself is a double edge sword, the preach peace and have expert diplomats. This however makes them look weak to other races think the Federation is a bunch of hippies. This changes very quickly and scares many races including the klingons which by the time of the late 24th century would loose against a militarized starfleet.
As Quark once said humans are wonderful people as long as they have their creature comforts. Take that away and humans will show the galaxy just how violent and dangerous they can be. Thanks for the content.
The Federation always seemed a bit dystopian to me. Growing up only with TOS we regarded the federation as kind of an analog to the US. By the time TNG rolled around it felt much creepier more like the UN or the way some people now look on the EU.
For the record I'm not picking a political fight these are of course subjective and I'm one of those darn individualists.
@@lowereducation6631 For the record I'm not a trekkie and yea I couldn't get into tng either as I found it too utopia for my liking.
@@lowereducation6631 Nah, I personally liked TNG Federation, where poverty was virtually abolished, you were free to fulfill your potential, and living hand-to-mouth only happened if you were establishing a colony. However, as I got older, I realized there were "gaps", but I still think it's good.
@@zorkmid1083 I prefer utopia as well. Everything else is dystopian, and even smegging Discovery is dark and nihilistic.
Nothing more Dangerous than Space Hippies when you take away their Patchouli Oil and Birkenstocks...
Love the old-school blue phasers.
U can use them in STO online just need to find them : )
TOS red/orange/white Starfleet colors with blue phasers/torpedoes is a combination I always found novel, as much as I love TMP's Starfleet aesthetic.
I'm going to date myself a little bit, I remember playing Star Trek the RPG in high school and I always preferred its attitude and storyline to what came out in TNG.
Thanks for resurrecting this.
Same here. One problem my group had with it, that you had to be higher ranked officers to actually do anything. Was your group able to solve this?
@@DoctorPhobos I don't recall specifics who but I remember running a lot of bridge officers as NPCs.
Same here bro. Only I was in JR High lol! TNG could have been so much better. The FASA game was amazing. A real shame that more people didn't get to enjoy it.
This is one of the best UA-cam videos ever.
I always wished that they'd progressed a little more gradually, like actually following the Enterprise B and C in their eras, rather than skipping forward a century.
I enjoy listening to the 4 years war, FASA style. You did an incredible job giving us the visual story as well good narrative.
You mention your 2 part storytelling is a condensed version. Wouldn’t be surprised if everyone who had experienced your stories would love to hear a multitude episodes of the FASA 4 year war. I know I would! Well done and thank you for doing this amazing 2 part story.
FASA is it's own little universe--thanks for this look inside!!
In a non-Discovery based headcanon, I like to think of the 'war', whether official or not, has having loosely happened, even if scaled down, and prior to the Cage.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I do wish fantasyflightgame would do a Star Trek, the D6 and d20 sucked.
Hmm, last I heard was of the Decipher, Last Unicorn Games, and the new Modiphius Entertainment series...
The game changer of Phaser and Photorp tech is understated here. Previously, all combat occurred at sublight, and ships could not fight at warp.
With the new weapons starfleet could make attack runs at warp, while the Klingons could not retaliate - as their disruptors were strictly sublight.
Great comment which is your favourite Starfleet Starship mine is the Constitution class
@@ussakira7294 Tough question - and depends by era. She is definitely up there. Also a fan of the Chandley, and later the Excelsior (successor to the Connie).
@@lynngreen7978 OK Cool what about The TNG Era mine is The USS Voyager
@@ussakira7294 Sovereign is pretty high up for me.
@@lynngreen7978 Oh OK that is a lovely ship aswell r u a big Trekkie Fan I've been a fan since 2000
Very nicely done! It's cool to see the FASA stuff realized in this manner.
The FASA laser and accelerator cannon stats were so incredibly inferior compared to the Klingon disruptors it wasn't even funny.
@Evilmike42 Yeah but the newer weapons came so late in the timeline that the Federation would likely have already been conquered
I've always had a massive soft spot for frigates regardless of setting or era so the L-6 Defender, and Loknar classes are among my favorite ships created for Star Trek games. A very nice video. I had actually forgotten the the Four Years War was the end of the laser era for Starfleet.
Defense in depth is the only thing that prevented the Klingons from quickly over running the Federation. The immense size of the Federation allowed them enough time and resources to build up their combat fleets. Great video series!!
Excellent and highly anticipated content. Thank you so much for your outstanding work.
This is prime canon in my heart.
Great production! Live Long and Prosper.
"Thank you" for your time and resources into this video I appreciate it! It really takes me back to playing Starfleet battles with my brother and friends in the early 80's.
Those little models you would spend your time after school carefully painting to match the designs. Then planning tactics on the weekends to gain the upper hand in whatever scenario everyone agreed upon.
Of course I thank my parents for giving me the access to such frivolities! But, it was a thought provoking board game and I hope it makes a comeback after video games.
Amusing how FASA did far more with Star Trek than Paramount or CBS ever did!
Amazing what can be done with a franchise when you hire people who genuinely love and respect the source material. I wish those in charge would stick to that sort if thinking. You can even slip in a moral lesson or two far more effectively keeping it that way.
FASA Trek still has a devoted fanbase making new sites and sourcebooks and content after 30 years. It also inspired some official canon and countless spinoffs.
I doubt the same will be said about CBS Trek once they finally decide to stop pouring more money and mroe Big Names into it.
@DevMag 52 Discovery season 1 was better than TNG season one. If the internet were as big in 87 as it was today, the arguments would have been just as bitter.
Ant509y
That is more false than
The lie that empire strikes back was hated
@@foresta-2684 It wasn't hated, but some people didn't like it, and just about everyone preferred the first one. People like to overstate their case and hyperbolic online.
Still light years better than Discovery.
Discovery is good. It has as many fuck-ups as TNG or any of the other series. You whiners are just afraid of women.
@@volgawolfhounds741 Uhm I don't like Discovery and I'm a woman.....
Volga Wolfhounds
Wow afraid of women that is the most juvenile accusation I have ever seen
@@volgawolfhounds741
Nice Troll
@@Marlena_M Yeah it's not the fact that STD is garbage. Nah, everyone just 'hates' women. STD belongs in the trash.
Good videos. I read through the entire FASA manual for this and it's nice to see it visually represented. The more realistic(sorta) take on an interstellar civilization and how it deals with a war is great. The amount of detail they put into this was great for me as someone who loves world building.
Very cool. I've always thought FASA did a great job with the Four Years War and sticking to established canon.
FASA stuck to cannon unlike the people who broke cannon after Roddenberry s death. First was with Romulan Empire was laser cannon defense and long range nuclear weapons. Not cloaking holographic ship drones as seen in Enterprise.
This is a very well done and enjoyable video. I really need to get into the FASA Trek. It sounds like a lot of fun. Watching this video reminds me of playing Starfleet Command when I was a kid! I still play that to this day, and especially loved Volume II.
Theere were two different FASA timelines, there was the one that was represented by the RPG and a very different timeline for the minatures wargame, Star Fleet Battles which included the Kzinti from Larry Nivens universe and a home brew war power known as the Lyrans.
Hydrans were mentioned in series several times as well as Lyrans. Kizinti were mentoned in cartoon. The "official" look of the Gorn cruiser again broke cannon to become cannon. Typical do anything to break the cannon of Star Trek of late.
@@wesleycrawford8500 Kzinti were mentioned and featured in the one episode written by their creator.
Yeah but did you ever play Star Fleet Battles board game? ;)
Yes!! I need to reinstall the game on my system
Excellent! I always wondered about the Klingon wars, it would make a great film!
Not now days the writers butcher the cannon to upstage each other at will.
I think all the FASA ships are in the Klingon/Romulon/Federation ship recognition guide/manual books. They also had cut out hex images on the back page.
FASA was awesome in the 80's. We played the "Starship Combat Simulator" I got this set for the lore and ship info. Great job! I wish FASA still had it all. They did such a great job with Star Trek, and Battletech!
Somehow, I never got the RPG game bug, so I am FASA illiterate, but, DAMN, I admired those deliciously mysterious little pewter ships!
I know it's a subject that triggers some, but I understand the "Prelude to Axanar" fanfilm much better.
Those pewter ships were for table top gaming for Star Fleet Battles!
This two part history of FASA Trek brings back so many great memories, both combat and rpg! I managed to collect most of the essential books including this supplement of the Four Years War as well as The Romulan War. Keep it up!
You will find my name as one of play testers in the first supplement, the "Vanished".
Great video!
This was better than the last 3 trek movies combined.
Seperate ship videos.....yum!
Thanks for the hard work on these videos.
excellent work
Nice.
This video was more entertaining than a entire season of Discovery could ever be.😁👍
NX-01 started out with plasma cannons and spatial torpedoes and later got upgraded first with phase cannons and then with photonic torpedoes while still utilizing the spatial ones as well.
However, phase cannons are NOT the more advanced phasers and photonic torpedoes are NOT the, again, more advanced photon torpedoes.
Wrong universe. Enterprise Is not compatible with FASA.
Great video i enjoyed it very much i love the sound of the photon torpedoes & phasers
Well done.
Imagine, if many of the co-conspirators in The Undiscovered Country were veterans of this war, you might actually come to understand them a bit more after learning all this.
I've been on a Star Trek/Federation history lesson tonight, watching Axanar, the Earth-Romulan War, and this, felt like watching The Old Republic vids. I'm amazed at what expansive, yet intricate lore exists to these properties that's never filmed. But, I guess it would cost more money to produce than is actually spent on both franchises.
Nice! Thanks for the rundown of the war and putting the time and effort into animating it all.
First time I have seen this and I like what you have offered in a informative and enlightening, look forward seeing the first part. THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK on this project.
I’d like to see more of these FASA videos. Good work.
Also nice to see Klinzai (the _real_ name of the Klingon home world).
My brother had an interesting idea: what if Klinzai was the “Earth” of the Imperial race (ie pure blood) Klingons, and Quo’nos was the capital of the Empire, located at the epicenter?
15:13 it would be interesting to see you tackle the FASA Klingon data (ie the human fusions) and *The Final Reflection.*
Awesome. Thank you.
I used to play int he FASA universe and did so for years and loved every second of it. The ship classes you mentioned like the L-6 which is also my favorite ship was a trip down memory lane. I wish FASA would sign a deal with paramount. I once called a few years back and their representative said they still had a vast amount of FASA Star Trek materials but hey could not sell them. Thes books still exist but are not being distributed. Great way to make more people aware of the great RPG material FASA made.
A few of the ships thankfully still popped up in Star Trek Legacy (game) and some mods.
Fantastic work.
All the months waiting for part 2 have paid off. Thank you very much.
I also look forward to your look on each of those ships. :)
Awesome ship designs, graphics and CGI animation. I really liked this video.
Great video loved it! I love star trek
As a die hard FASA Star Trek player in the 80s, my buddy and I were thinking of doing a Four Years War campaign back then... Too bad it's all forgotten now in the Star Trek community.
Great videos! Love your love of FASA
Nice overview. I agree with your concluding thoughts too. Jerry Pournelle once wrote that while preparing for war might trigger it, understanding the nature and causes of war was also essential to preserving peace.
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Notes: You're doing what I'd be doing if I had the money, et cetera, et al, to do so.
"Klinks" I have never heard that slang word about Klingons.
You never played SFB. lol :-)
@@saturn0660 I will admit. No, I haven't...as a lot of Star Trek games slipped by me. Either A: had cool demos but never were made into full games. B: They were cool games but could never find them to buy them. C: They just plain sucked and were a cash grab. D: They went VR and I really cannot do VR......
@Qardo Star Fleet Battles was analog until Starfleet Command came out by Interplay.
@Evilmike42 Yup, Amarillo Design Bureau managed to secure a license to produce their version of Star Trek that is forever back in the 1970s from Viacom I believe. We used to call it Starfleet Squabbles because the arguments over the rules sometimes lasted longer then the actual game. LOL
@Evilmike42 Too bad. To be honest, I thought the movies' designs had major cosmetic improvements. Higher budget and all.
Aside from the original series, this is better than all the other Star Trek movies and tv shows.
From how I understand it, because "Canon" I star trek is so topsy tervy now, the development of laser weaponry and phaser weaponry happened at the same time in the decades after NX Enterprise. Phase weapons are the precursor to phasers, yes. But at some point laser weapons became more powerful and efficient. This all happening in the very early days of the Federation, I guess. Pre-2200s. That is until the Four Years war. That's actually how I've always thought of it. And in the sense of the development of technology and how technologies tend to evolve and develop, it makes some sense.
I suppose if anyone cared to resolve this then the Phasers can classified as Nadion Beam Weapons and that for a very sort period of time some Laser weapons or laser-fed particle weapons (non-nadion beam type) were used - until improvement in Phaser tech rendered them obsolite.
I'd have to check to see if NZ-01 era Phase Pistols and Phase Canon still use Nadion Particles as if they used a different particle that would at least give them some technological distinction.
Other wise like Starship phaser's having a stun stetting then not then having it then not - back and forth then I guess one just has to shrug.
Oh I think it's nice how the Loknar Template just keeps coming back again and again (both ways up). It's a good shape.
@Evilmike42 I suppose we should be grateful they didn't call them Ray-pistols that wouldn't have aged as well as Phaser does as it does at least seem to stand for Phased Rectification - even if Gene didn't think of that at the time.
@Evilmike42 I think It's self evident fictional weapons in a fictional show are fictional - I was just stating that it's nice that there is a terminological explanation for the word these days that I think is a decent enough fit. & that it could have been a lot worse they could have called them "Ray Guns"
Makes sense, early guns were inferior to bows and arrows outside of specific circumstances. The ancient Chinese even had rocket-propelled missiles, but they weren't as good as a sword. So it's not like a new invention immediately trumps an old one, and they may develop in parallel for many years (see also cost and size, in the days when computers cost millions and filled buildings, you'd get a typewriter for your small business)
@Evilmike42 Dude. Knock it off. You're walking in on a lore discussion waving your hands going "it's all made up! You're all wrong cause its all made up!"
We know it's fiction, you don't have to point it out to the one group who meshes science with it. Of all fiction lovers, science fiction lovers tend to look for the difference between illusion and reality.
Also: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phaser
It is also reference does the meaning behind the word phaser is phased energy rectification in the Star Trek the next generation technical manual on the USS enterprise-d created by Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda, who by Roddenberry's direction came up with all of the technical workings.
So not only are you being chauvinistic, but you don't even know what you're talkin about.
Wait a moment. The Federation is in full sacale war against the Klingons and fighting on the defensive when they decide to pull off their strongest ships to put them on *exploration* missions????
Wait a minute, knowing war with the Japanese was almost inevitable, the U.S. docked all its battleships at Pearl Harbor, instead of keeping them on patrol? Sometimes stupid mistakes are made by those in command. Alternatively, the Constitution Class might have been glorified to the masses, while retaining flaws that made it easily damaged in protracted combat (like that dorsal neck and elegant nacelle pylons). Ships like the Enterprise might have been great for general purpose and short engagements, but best kept out of large firefights. Thus, they were held back from most encounters, lest civilian morale be compromised at reports of the mighty Constitution class getting savaged by those Klingots.
@@psion01 good point. The Galax class is too fancy for wars, that's for sure. So much so they came up with the Sovereign class. Regardless, the Galaxy class ended up playing an important role in command/control and power projection during the Dominion War. So, yes, dumbness knows no boundaries indeed
I love classic trek! Even the wars are better in classic mode.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided indeed, And just as very spectaculary well executed as in part one guys!👌.
Good lord!.All the time I spent playing the Fasa Trek rpg back in the 80's!.I know most rpg gamers of the time played D&D.But somehow we fell into ST and the Marvel Superheroes rpg games..I'll never forget the excitement when a new module for these games would come out!.I just happened along this video and it really took me back..So to everyone who ever played the Trek Fasa game.Live Long and you know the rest..
Thanks, I really enjoyed these two episodes
Thank You so very much for this.
Great narration. Interesting Star Trek history.
Dunno, it kind of bothers me that a Klingon general defected to save the Empire. I think it's too vague a reason, since giving the Feds valuable intelligence just means Klingon resources will be destroyed faster with fewer Fed losses. Also, it bothers me that a 30k strong Klingon army was captured alive. Maybe Klingons were more bound to the warrior code by TNG, but I would not have expected them to give up without, say, 80-90% of their forces killed and the rest starved out (i.e., a much more extreme situation than the Germans at Stalingrad).
Anyway, thanks for doing this, Resurrected Starships! It's good to see the summary of an old alternative history!
So, in the early days of FASA and TOS, the Klingons were not the honorable warriors who believed in Victory or death. They did have a warrior ethos, but were fine with retreat, surrender, surprise attacks, and civilian casualties. In reality they were more of a analog to the Soviets than they were with any Samurai or Spartan ideal.
In that sense, a defecting General makes more sense, same with the garrison. Some of those "Crack Klingon" forces could have been subject races, the General may have been a Klingon Colonial and not one of the later Great Houses, or maybe he was just sock of the drawn out war and dying and wanted to end it quickly.
What do you use to create these models and battles? They look gorgeous.
8:23 I think you may be the first person to get the size of the D-7 right.
The deck of the front pod has to be at least as thick as the Constitution’s saucer section (if not thicker) if the band of lights around the midsection of the pod are windows (indicating 2 decks).
Most depictions of the D-7 are smaller than the Constitution, where the bridge takes up most of the forward bulge on top of the pod deck (as opposed to residing inside the cylindrical tower behind the bulge).
This is really excellent work. Thank you!
The opening really is something.
Kirk himself is a double-edged sword. He understands peace is paramount and works hard towards it, but wake him up and his "I don't like to lose" attitude comes out.
AMAZING! So glad I subscribed and became a Patreon! Woo Hoo!
Great work as always! :D
I remember playing the FASA games back in the 80's. I wish I still had the books.
I still have the FASA board game. It is the best version of Star Trek history.
Excellent job, spaice fren!
Excellent video and audio.
Cool vid, mates.....thanks!
I have waited a long time for this.
Very well done.
I totally played and GM'd several FASA STRP games. LOVED the system. "The Klingons" module was priceless.
Well done
Great conclusion
Speaking of FASA. Battletech dropships. How big are they really?
Having played, bought and read the FASA Corp. Star Trek the role playing game. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry. Not the tripe out for the past few years. These books can be converted for use in the new Star Trek Adventures RPG by modipihius too.
Klingons fight to survive and test their mettle! Qapla'!
I don't know where all the Roddenberry worship is coming from. He's also Mr. Mixed Message who would insist that Starfleet was not military. Which I guess mirrored the American fiction of calling Apollo an all-civilian enterprise in order to score propaganda points against the Soviets.
Loved that fasa game
Great work! This is one of the best videos ever uploaded to UA-cam. Would love to see you make a video about The Triangle from the FASA game. I'm clicking subscribe just in case you do.
My bad I'm already a subscriber lol!
Your reference to the wars fought inside our bodies by our immune system was kind of prophetic.
Excellent and fascinating video! 🖖🏽
What STD should have been. Great work, I love the history lesson.
Who else is here after the recent INTERLUDE to AXANAR broadcast?
This is awesome.
Fascinating
Excellent
Great stuff.
Thank you really enjoyed the video I know a lot of very hard work went into it appreciate it well done
Good job on the video.
Brilliantly done
We need another video game based on FASA corp Star Trek, SFC IV would be nice..
Awesome video!! I really love it.
In the FASA four years war, were they using Mark 1 or Mark 2 constitution-class Heavy Cruisers?
The MkIIs didn't come on-line until 7 months after the end of the war, according to the FASA Federation Ship Recognition Manual.
How many people know more about Star Trek History than they know actual Earth history?
I wonder if the D-16 destroyers would be replaced by the bird of prey type vessels
Yes
Awesome ! Thank you ! I have watched both parts and this needs to be made into a movie or a t v series !
Love the videos, but I really wished you used the ST:TOS sound FX
13:50 never mind. :)