I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war". We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes. Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake. Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down. To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@@mrbreck1I'll b going w/the following: 1) Constitution class Refit is my #1 all time fave. She was sexy as Hell, & a force 2 b reckoned with (4 her time). 2) Galaxy class. She was op in many aspects, & a pretty good jack-of-all trades, multi role ship. 3) I know it's not a Federation ship, but I also like the Klingon Bird of Prey (TOS movie & TNG ships). Despite their flaws & drawbacks, I think they r pretty fierce looking ships. Everyone has their own opinions, but these r my top 3 fave Star Trek ships.
that change definitely plays on the "ship" part of starship. but I agree, makes the B the best looking variant. also, if "separation" is potential design element I see high chances of it staying afloat on the hudson:D
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Voyager is basically the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry of Starfleet. It's midsize, solid, reliable, comfortable, and economic starship. Powerful is not a word I would use to describe Voyager. That being said, if anybody saw 7 of 9 driving around in a Voyager class they would want one too.
@@user-vl8sh7ih8c, Voyager was Starfleet's fastest ship (besides the one-off Prometheus) with a top speed of Warp 9.975. For that reason alone I think the Accord/Camry comparison is a poor one...
Great list! And I love the approach to it. A few things to point out. The Sovereign was not designed specifically to defeat the Borg or replace the Galaxy. It was more likely to replace the role of the aging Excelsior class, which had reached the end of its useful lifespan, as illustrated by the Dominion War. No Galaxy class was lost during the Dominion War. Something no other class can claim. The only loss was pre-war and after a superb, if ultimately fatal, accounting of it's self. The Galaxy, like the Excelsior before it, was designed to be completely modular. This would allow for immense longevity of the platform as it could easily be upgraded with the latest tech without serious retrofit of structural components and could have entire decks swapped out or around to accommodate the new tech.
No, the Sovereign was *definitely* designed to be anti-Borg ship, the removal of the neck compresses the profile and makes it both harder to hit and tightens the shield envelope. The Defiant was a hard hitting stop gap measure, but the Sovereign was the main bleeding edge advancement. The Type XII phasers, the Quantum Torpedo launchers ALL designed to be Starfleet's complete answer to The Borg. However, John Eaves did indeed design her to be the next in the Excelsior's lineage instead of a Next Generation Constitution or Galaxy. That's clear in the design of the Stardrive and the long nacelles. And you're damn right, the Galaxy wings went out to avenge the Odyssey and didn't lose any numbers.
Sovereign, Defiant, and I think the Akira class were all specifically designed for the fight against the Borg. The Federation wasn't in the habit of making warships, most were made to be luxury cruisers for long term exploration, diplomatic, and science missions. They needed powerhouses to confront the threat of the Borg and the Sovereign was their heavy weight middle-ground between the peace-time representation and the necessity for defense against stronger threats. The Enterprise-E was kept out of the Dominion conflict for morale and show of force elsewhere, and ordered not to confront the Borg because Starfleet didn't trust Picard's mental state after having been assimilated before. Many of the Sovereign's systems were adapted and designed to counter Borg weapons, especially the shielding. There also weren't very many Sovereigns ready at the time of the Dominion War (cannon excuse for not showing it, real-life reason is it was reserved for the big screen). Defiant was designed to forgo all the comforts and pack as much firepower and survivability into a single platform. It was meant to be the primary assault platform; nimble enough to outmaneuver larger vessels, with all the punch to take them down, and armor to tank a hit and keep going. Akira Class (I forget where I read this, possibly from a game codex) was basically the security solution for the Federation. Not really meant for deep space exploration or for heavy engagements. They get dispatched like police within the Federation borders. The Intrepid class also had some anti-borg and prototype systems. In one of the episodes of Voyager they talk about the Sovereign is supposed to be upgraded with the neural-gel pack systems that were being tested with the Intrepid design.
@@Cas_Vael I know they say that in some of the magazines, but it doesn't make sense. To rapid a design cycle. More likely a replacement for the excelsior design, which was effectively aged out and even when totally retrofitted, could only compete to a draw with the Defiant. Sad showing. The Defiant? Total Borg counter design, small, takes a beating and keeps on kicking, packs a powerful punch with concentrated pulse phasers and quantums. Agree with the Akira. She's big and packs a mean punch with the top torpedo pod load out. Internal border security and border patrol type.
The Enterprise refit didn’t lose to the Klingon bird of prey because it was undermanned and automated. It was damaged from the fight against the Relient in the previous movie. Get your facts straight my man 😉
And undermanned, only the 5 guys, AND automated, as Scotty said. She's fully automated admiral. A chimpanzee and two trainees could run her. Probably not the exact quote, but close enough.
Not the only facts that were got wrong, and the Excelcor class that was sent out ot take on the Defiant had been heavily refitted for that task, and lets face it, if Sisco was in command Defiant wouldn;t have suffered anywhere near as much damage...
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
To be fair, it was a one off vessel that only popped again when Voyager found its way home? It's got alot of reason to be on the list... But the lack of accolades in comparison to the other ships in Alpha and Beta canon make it an honourable mention. More data is required to flesh out it's strengths and weaknesses.
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe: Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging. I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years: M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?) It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point. Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
@@GiantFreakinRobot I don't think it's fair to say the refit Constitution could barely defeat the Miranda. The Enterprise got hit with its shields down. It wasn't a fair fight.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Akira was the security solution. Not really meant for deep space exploration or diplomacy. Sovereign was the luxury middle-ground: designed to confront the Borg as an Assault Cruiser, but also to serve on exploration, science, and diplomatic missions, or show of force during peace-time. Akira is like the MP or first responders mission set.
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@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂 It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power She may have flaws but she has teeth
@@fordgtguy That is one of the problems of Star Trek. Can 'teleport' things around but can't master constructing elements. If you can disassemble something and reassemble it... you can make whatever you want.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
I started a project called Six Degrees of Galaxy Class: Firepower and shields. This text file compiled all dialogue and visual data to chart and relate every ship destroyed and especially vaporized by the Galaxy class. In TNG Enterprise destroyed as many as 14 ships. This is how I found just how weak Intrepid was. How Powerful Defiant was. Because the bird of Prey was such an ubiquitous opponent it became a primary common relational variable.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
@@Albee213 Simply put, Sisko bundled his crew into a ship that wasn't ready to be operated at full power. He essentially paraded the best warship Starfleet had, that couldn't fight to it's full potential because O'Brian hadn't had the time to shake it down in a shakedown cruise and fix all the problems... like the solution Sisko mentioned to the mirror universe O'Brian on how they stopped the ship shaking itself apart when run to full power. Personally, I think Sisko just wanted the ship he had a hand in designing out of Mothballs so it could be put through it's paces and hoped he wouldn't actually need to fight with it.
Defiant was massively overpowered for it's size, and had cool guns and armor. The first time they took that out on DS9, the paint over the NX designation was barely dry and they had to deal with a romulan working the cloak button. I still like the sovereign, needs the cool ablative armor future Janeway bright back, and a cleaning device.......I still don't know why that's such a big deal...
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s. Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes : 2245 - Constitution 2285 - Excelsior 2325 - Ambassador 2360 - Galaxy 2400 - Odyssey
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot "The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know." - Captain Scott The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others. And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing. Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways. And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
This list should've been five entries & included the Kelvin Enterprise vs. The Swarm ships in Star Trek: Beyond. That space battle was nothing short of spectacular, and showed how unprepared Starfleet vessels are for Star Wars level dogfights.
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe. Make up your mind
In STII, the Enterprise was attacked at its most vulnerable spot with shields down, in a sneak attack. It was left at a disadvantage after that attack. The constitution & Miranda class are about equal... they are just configured differently.
Another way to look at the rankings, which ship would you want to command? I would take the Enterprise D Galaxy, B Excelsior, A Constitution (Refit), Nebula, Sovereign, Intrepid, Ambassador, Miranda in that order. Just due to accommodations, abilities, general usefulness, and personal bias. I grew up with ToS movies (watched in the theatres) but the Galaxy was just a beast when it was premiered. (Not going to lie, the holodecks are a feature that cant be ignored lol) Seeing the Enterprise D brought back by Jordi in Picard season 3 damn near brought a tear to my eye seeing the old girl back in the fray.
The defiant would have vaporized that excelsior had Worf brought all of its capabilities to the table. He went soft because the goal wasn’t to destroy it.
I’m not so sure about that. Both Worf and Benteen were holding back, as neither wanted to destroy a Federation starship. O’Brien even points out the enhancements to the Lakota when it first opens fire on the Defiant, saying, “Someone’s been upgrading the Lakota's weapons. That’s a lot of firepower for an Excelsior-class ship.” Later, he expresses doubt about their ability to outrun the Lakota, noting, “If they’ve been tinkering with the weapons, who knows what they’ve done to the warp drive.” Additionally, during a conversation between Leyton and Benteen, Leyton asks if the Lakota has quantum torpedoes, and Benteen hesitates to use them, replying, “Admiral, my orders were to disable the Defiant, not destroy her.” This strongly implies that the Lakota could indeed destroy the Defiant if it utilized it's complete arsenal.
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
You should see Ashtar Command presently 72,000 miles in orbit around the Earth. Its the size of a small city. Its coming a lot closer in Phase 3 and will drop its cloak in early 2025. We will start to see the scout ships soon. I can't wait 😊
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota. Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest. Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence. Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields. Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war. Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities... As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}} I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship. Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
What about the Dreadnought class from the reboot "Into Darkness". Yeah yeah there was only one, but massive state of the art weapons and the ability to be piloted by a minimal crew (even only 1)... is by far the strongest ship.
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
Yes good point. It was the most powerfull ship for a short time. I guess it had alot of firepower but wasn't really great at anything else other than intercept and destroy. The list is taking a more "who was best of it's time and could do alot of things" approach.
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
Few things in your description that the older PC Starfleet command series of games that got for all intensive purposes is canon , some examples: Heavy Cruiser constitution class , refit A and then a "Drone" refit which is a minimal crew or remote crewed ship , all are which in games and each model covered . Pretty sure you can find the games cheap and a crapton of ships in game that were featured in ST before and after game . Excelsior variant I was fond of was the Bismarck class, the main torpedo bay was replaced by a large plasma launcher similar to the biggest Romulan ships , weapon had shorter range but hits harder than torpedoes. Budgets kept us from seeing the federation missile ships , Romulan plasma launchers of different sizes or races like the Hydrans and their broken af weapons and their ships were carriers for squadrons of spaceship fighters etc.
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
I 100 % agree with you .. i don't care what people think of the reboot Scimtar was a beast and yes I too soooo wanted to see that huge disrupter get fired
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
keeping it naval, the Enterprizes were frequently put in the equivalent of a nuclear carrier flagship vessel. Only a few NX, only a few Constitution, Ambassador and 1st block of Galaxy. Cutting edge ships of their era a couple of times they ended up in a workhorse hull like the Excalibur matching up with a WW2 fletcher or Cold War Arleigh Burke and getting "long toothed" before finally getting replaced. The 1st block Galaxies were exploratory peacetime vessels, but after a couple encounters with Borg and Dominion, they were tightened up. They lost the bells and whistles and became more like the nuclear carriers of the cold war. Big ships with heavy power projection that served as fleet command vessels. I expect, if the Enterprize C hadn't crashed, that it would have been replaced by a second block Galaxy built with a combat tested, and resilient, spaceframe. The warpcore and computer issues resolved and a lot of the cruise ship feel burned away due to the Dominion war. A long endurance ship-yes, but one with significant adjustments into a more organized and martial mindset. The Sovreign was most decidedly designed as a slugger or tactical vessel a combat cruiser with exploration capabilities and very little diplomatic or first contact funtion like the second flight Galaxies would still have been equipped with being designed as deep explorers first. I think the Sovreign is starfleets recognition of a requirement for a kick ass capiitol combat ship that more aggressive races could respect. The Odyssey would be the ship built after all the lessons learned from Voyager, Dominion, and Borg were integrated and mastered and used to build a ship like the Constitution Class again. A class of a few big cutting edge generalists that could win an occaisional bare knuckle fight or bar brawl in a rowdy sector. I saw the Mirandas, Nebulas, and similar "Close Coupled" ships as the workhorses of the fleet running the vaccines, triticale, or evacuation efforts. Made from already designed parts in a "warp efficient enough" form factor with components that would be mass producible from the bleeding edge flagship designs.
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
Given that the Defiant class is the only true warship, I.e. it's designer, Sisko wanted it specially to fight, I would pick one of those if I wanted to go into a combat situation. For anything else I'd pick an Intrepid class or it's successor, Voyager really defined that class and I'm pretty sure Admiral Ross used one (The USS Bellerophon) in the dominion war that fared well in every battle it had. Also given how well the Enterprise-E fared against the Scimitar that outgunned her 3 to 1, I think a pair of Sovereigns or maybe 3 of them could have actually defeated the Scimitar. I have a soft spot for the NX-01 though, I know its massively primitive compared to the modern era but back in the day it was on the higher end of ships at the time. Warp 5 was considered fast back then and once it was upgraded post expanse, it could fight evenly against actual warships of it's era.
@@GiantFreakinRobot we don’t know how either ship would fair really against each other. The defiant however is absolutely far more maneuverable than a sovereign and possesses the same power plant of a galaxy class ship. The defiant especially the prototype that was commanded by Sisko performed well in every battle it had, it could even fight two kilngon battlecruisers while it was evacuating a ship of cardassians without shields and still warp away. It could take on 4 Jen Hadar destroyers alone, ram one, destroy the others and still cloak and warp. It took a heavily modified Excelsior class ship to fight evenly with the Defiant.
@@WaveForceful The biggest problem with the Defiant Class of Warships was that it have numerous design flaws which would cause "bugs" throughout the systems during combat. If pushed too hard, it was said it would tear itself apart. It's like putting an oversized motor in a muscle car and then not beefing up the transmission, suspension, and rear end to handle it. You are correct though in the fact that the Defiant Class of Starships were the ONLY true Warships ever built by Starfleet which seems odd when they constantly faced stronger threats such as the Romulans and Klingons and of course, the Borg. The Dominion was the least biggest threat they ever faced since their ships were not really that powerful, the crews had to be constantly drugged to man them, and they needed more ships than their enemies to defeat them. Of course, the Dominion soared when it came to gaining allies to fight against their enemies, that is where their power really came from. Not to mention, with all of the different races involved in Starfleet, they should have been leagues ahead of all of their enemies such as the Klingons and Romulans, but for some weird reason, they really weren't. They barely matched with the Klingons and both the Klingons and Starfleet were far behind the Romulans when it came to shields and armament. And will someone please explain to me why literally every Starfleet evasive maneuver seemed to land those ships in more trouble than if they just "winged it"??? LOL.
It isn't the only "true" warship. Lots of others were build for the sheer purpose of fighting the Borg. Steamrunner, Akira, Nova, and Sabre were all made for kicking butt.
Its a nice video, id say the Prometheus, and the voyager refit, as well as the zheng he belong on this list over the galaxy class, the enterprise e and oddysey. These are all respectively stated as the most powerful ships of the time.
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You are right, especially because the original version of the Constitution calss was built during the Four Years War, and with the intent ( I donìt know if succeded), of building a Starship capable of out performing a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser under every aspect; so a Klingon Bird of Prey would have just been reduced to space junk if matched against a Constituition class in top condition, against a Constitution Refit would have probably just turned tail and run as to live to fight another day (usually Klingons try to avoid a dishonorable death, in order to avoid ending in Gre'thor)
How could you not include the Defiant class and put an entry onto this list twice? Defiant isn't a battleship but it could engage dedicated warships many times its size and/or while severely outnumbered.
The Defiant was strong and tough for it's size but the video is about the deadliest ships. In the regard the Defiant was limited, it's weaponry whilst powerful against ships of a similar size don't have the same destructive capabilities as weapons found on bigger ships that have room for bigger cannon emplacements and larger power plants to use them. Think of it in terms of a naval destroyer vs a battleship, the bigger the ship the bigger the guns.
I think his choice to leave it out makes some sense, yes the defiant is an amazing vessel, but it is highly focused for combat. He was touching on overall performance. That said it should atleast gained an honorable mention as it was at every phase of the battle for earth in First Contact!
@@matthewcaskey1051 Also technically the Defiant is classed as an escort ship. it would be considered a Destroyer or Frigate by modern navy standards. The Intrepid and probably Constitution Class would be Cruisers while the Soveriegn Class, Galaxy Glass, Excelsior and other ships of that size would be Battleships and the centerpeice of a strike force (since Star Trek does not seem to employ Carriers the way most other Sci-Shows like Babylon 5, Star Wars Stargate, or BSG do)
@MrMalve25 they do! Look up the Midway class, they do have fighters and they were even used during the show, think peregrine is the name of them? Something like that.
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
Finally, obviously the most recent flagship of starfleet is the most powerful. Trying to complicate it by "the most powerful is derived from the ships of it's era and how much better it is" is total junk. Honestly redo this whole video it's a joke.
@danielforeman8934 not if you're trying to put things in their historical context. Whilst I agree with you that the use of AI voice and scripting in this vid is bad, your last comment is flatly nonsense - something isn't rubbish simply because you miss the point its trying to make.
Would have liked to know where the Dreadnought class from StarTrek into Darkness would sit in this list. Understandably that was the Kelvin timeline and may not have been in scope of this analysis. Appreciate any thoughts around this.
Right it’s alt universe so not included. But if I was including it, not sure where I would put it. Its an oddball one off built in a sort of half-assed way in secret. Its Chief ability is being big. And in the end, it lost.
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
Hmm I'm not sure. USS Defiant under Worf, it's a bloody fast ship (far faster at warp than anything else), is all guns and ammo, and has Worf commanding. Designed purely to defeat the Borg. I'm going with the Defiant.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.
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I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
Thank you so much! Really means a lot.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war".
We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
8:05 The Galaxy took all the lessons learned in the design of the Ambassador Class, and went: "This would make a truly excellent Hotel in Space."
Yeah, exactly!!!!!
The Excelsior class for the Federation is equivalent to the B-52 of the USAF with it’s longevity amongst more technologically advanced ships/planes
That’s an interesting analogy. It works!
I was going to make the same comparison
Best analogy I’ve seen to date, but they’ll probably refit the BUFF to be an interstellar bomber.
Roger that!
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You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes.
Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake.
Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down.
To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The Enterprise B variant of the Excelsior is one of my favorite designs, such simple changes to the original but it looks so much better.
I agree. And they literally just did it to have a piece to blow off, but it looks great!
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@@mrbreck1I'll b going w/the following:
1) Constitution class Refit is my #1 all time fave. She was sexy as Hell, & a force 2 b reckoned with (4 her time).
2) Galaxy class. She was op in many aspects, & a pretty good jack-of-all trades, multi role ship.
3) I know it's not a Federation ship, but I also like the Klingon Bird of Prey (TOS movie & TNG ships). Despite their flaws & drawbacks, I think they r pretty fierce looking ships.
Everyone has their own opinions, but these r my top 3 fave Star Trek ships.
that change definitely plays on the "ship" part of starship.
but I agree, makes the B the best looking variant.
also, if "separation" is potential design element I see high chances of it staying afloat on the hudson:D
Scotty is going to have a seriously major headache when he regains conscious.
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Bonk.
Nah he happily retired.
Just wait until he finds out that NCC-1701 and "bloody -A, -B, -C, and -D" (to say nothing of -E) were included in this. Oy vey...
I wanted to hear more about the Defiant.
I know right, the prototype that seemed to do well as a small warship but never seemed to get mass produced.
4:41, sorry to tell you this but the Enterprise J is cannon even though it is part of a future time line. It is the biggest Federation ship
What about Voyager? It single handedly kicked all ships in the Delta quadrant's asses...
Voyager is basically the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry of Starfleet. It's midsize, solid, reliable, comfortable, and economic starship. Powerful is not a word I would use to describe Voyager. That being said, if anybody saw 7 of 9 driving around in a Voyager class they would want one too.
Overrated & plot armour
Voyager barely defeated the Kremin
Voyager was not a class as far as I know. I recall it being called "Intrepid class."
@@user-vl8sh7ih8c, Voyager was Starfleet's fastest ship (besides the one-off Prometheus) with a top speed of Warp 9.975. For that reason alone I think the Accord/Camry comparison is a poor one...
I love the galaxy class. In Picard season 3. I got pretty excited when they took it out of the museum..NCC 701 D ❤❤❤❤
Great list! And I love the approach to it.
A few things to point out.
The Sovereign was not designed specifically to defeat the Borg or replace the Galaxy. It was more likely to replace the role of the aging Excelsior class, which had reached the end of its useful lifespan, as illustrated by the Dominion War.
No Galaxy class was lost during the Dominion War. Something no other class can claim. The only loss was pre-war and after a superb, if ultimately fatal, accounting of it's self.
The Galaxy, like the Excelsior before it, was designed to be completely modular. This would allow for immense longevity of the platform as it could easily be upgraded with the latest tech without serious retrofit of structural components and could have entire decks swapped out or around to accommodate the new tech.
The wartime refits Galaxy class ships were ludicrous. Crammed full of shield generators and phaser strips
No, the Sovereign was *definitely* designed to be anti-Borg ship, the removal of the neck compresses the profile and makes it both harder to hit and tightens the shield envelope. The Defiant was a hard hitting stop gap measure, but the Sovereign was the main bleeding edge advancement. The Type XII phasers, the Quantum Torpedo launchers ALL designed to be Starfleet's complete answer to The Borg. However, John Eaves did indeed design her to be the next in the Excelsior's lineage instead of a Next Generation Constitution or Galaxy. That's clear in the design of the Stardrive and the long nacelles.
And you're damn right, the Galaxy wings went out to avenge the Odyssey and didn't lose any numbers.
Sovereign, Defiant, and I think the Akira class were all specifically designed for the fight against the Borg. The Federation wasn't in the habit of making warships, most were made to be luxury cruisers for long term exploration, diplomatic, and science missions. They needed powerhouses to confront the threat of the Borg and the Sovereign was their heavy weight middle-ground between the peace-time representation and the necessity for defense against stronger threats. The Enterprise-E was kept out of the Dominion conflict for morale and show of force elsewhere, and ordered not to confront the Borg because Starfleet didn't trust Picard's mental state after having been assimilated before. Many of the Sovereign's systems were adapted and designed to counter Borg weapons, especially the shielding.
There also weren't very many Sovereigns ready at the time of the Dominion War (cannon excuse for not showing it, real-life reason is it was reserved for the big screen).
Defiant was designed to forgo all the comforts and pack as much firepower and survivability into a single platform. It was meant to be the primary assault platform; nimble enough to outmaneuver larger vessels, with all the punch to take them down, and armor to tank a hit and keep going.
Akira Class (I forget where I read this, possibly from a game codex) was basically the security solution for the Federation. Not really meant for deep space exploration or for heavy engagements. They get dispatched like police within the Federation borders.
The Intrepid class also had some anti-borg and prototype systems. In one of the episodes of Voyager they talk about the Sovereign is supposed to be upgraded with the neural-gel pack systems that were being tested with the Intrepid design.
@@Cas_Vael I know they say that in some of the magazines, but it doesn't make sense.
To rapid a design cycle. More likely a replacement for the excelsior design, which was effectively aged out and even when totally retrofitted, could only compete to a draw with the Defiant. Sad showing.
The Defiant?
Total Borg counter design, small, takes a beating and keeps on kicking, packs a powerful punch with concentrated pulse phasers and quantums.
Agree with the Akira.
She's big and packs a mean punch with the top torpedo pod load out.
Internal border security and border patrol type.
The Enterprise refit didn’t lose to the Klingon bird of prey because it was undermanned and automated. It was damaged from the fight against the Relient in the previous movie. Get your facts straight my man 😉
And undermanned, only the 5 guys, AND automated, as Scotty said.
She's fully automated admiral. A chimpanzee and two trainees could run her.
Probably not the exact quote, but close enough.
Not the only facts that were got wrong, and the Excelcor class that was sent out ot take on the Defiant had been heavily refitted for that task, and lets face it, if Sisco was in command Defiant wouldn;t have suffered anywhere near as much damage...
There's an elephant in the room... the Prometheus-class.
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
Yeah, that multi-vector mode.
To be fair, it was a one off vessel that only popped again when Voyager found its way home?
It's got alot of reason to be on the list... But the lack of accolades in comparison to the other ships in Alpha and Beta canon make it an honourable mention. More data is required to flesh out it's strengths and weaknesses.
@@davfree9732similar to the dreadnaught class. One off and didn’t exactly last long
@@davfree9732It did get a third mention, it's listed with the 'rescue' fleet in Star Trek: Nemesis 😁
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe:
Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging.
I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
Love the comparison. Very true
Plot armor so thick! Lol I love it.
A bird of prey inexplicably destroying Discovery sounds lovely.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years:
M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?)
It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
great video 😊 my fav is always gonna be that darn galaxy class. can't help it
Thanks! If we are talking favorites, mine is always going to be the Refit.
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
Perfect video for Friday morning thank you so much
Excellent logic for ranking ships
Perfect comment to start a Friday morning! Glad you liked it!
"Odyssey is the biggest ship ever by startfleet" Enterprise J: am I a joke to you 😂
Enterprise J was a hypothetical future. We don’t know if it will ever come to pass.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point.
Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
@@hybridtmaybe it did, but it’s not canon that it did
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
Thanks. Genuinely appreciate it. We take our ships seriously.
@@GiantFreakinRobot I don't think it's fair to say the refit Constitution could barely defeat the Miranda. The Enterprise got hit with its shields down. It wasn't a fair fight.
Such a well done video ❤❤❤🎉
Totally missed the Prometheus Class that was able to take on a Romulan Warbird and destroy it by itself.
My fav was the Akira class, Starfleet's battle boat from hell! It just never got the screen time outside of the video games. 😈
Great ship. But inferior to the Sovereign
It got a lot during #Startrekfirstcontact and the Dominion War on #DS9
@@GiantFreakinRobot Akira was the security solution. Not really meant for deep space exploration or diplomacy. Sovereign was the luxury middle-ground: designed to confront the Borg as an Assault Cruiser, but also to serve on exploration, science, and diplomatic missions, or show of force during peace-time.
Akira is like the MP or first responders mission set.
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Yeah, that is awesome. *salutes*
Nicely done sir👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you kindly
If I remember correctly the Defiant was pulling its punches vs the Lakota
A bit. Lakota gave them trouble though and they had to stop
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
You were correct, because of sisko’s unwillingness to fire on another starfleet vessel. He considered it an act of treason
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
Cool vid mate.
New subscriber.
Thanks!
Thanks for the sub!
@@GiantFreakinRobot, Thanks for the cool content!
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
Thanks for the kind words. You may be right on the dates!
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
Ya that threw me off.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
Vengeance class.😮
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
@@GiantFreakinRobot or a mass subscribe for other nerds like myself
One man’s trash is another’s treasure
the intrepid class ships with upgrades was the best starfleet design ever
You mean with Borg tech?
Gel packs. Ablative armor. #Janeway nuff said
This was an excellent and well thought out presentation of the topic!
This level of quality demands my subscription!
Well Done!!
Thank you!!
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂
It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power
She may have flaws but she has teeth
Defiant class was the Starfleet wondering how much they could cram onto a small ship
I find it amazing that post-scarcity, post-currency, and people doing whatever, they still have problems with resources and production.
I think it's due to rare elements that require incredibly complex production processes. You cannot replicate everything in Star Trek.
@@fordgtguy That is one of the problems of Star Trek. Can 'teleport' things around but can't master constructing elements. If you can disassemble something and reassemble it... you can make whatever you want.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You’re welcome!
I started a project called Six Degrees of Galaxy Class: Firepower and shields. This text file compiled all dialogue and visual data to chart and relate every ship destroyed and especially vaporized by the Galaxy class. In TNG Enterprise destroyed as many as 14 ships.
This is how I found just how weak Intrepid was. How Powerful Defiant was.
Because the bird of Prey was such an ubiquitous opponent it became a primary common relational variable.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
The Defiant is awesome but what kills me is that it was almost destroyed the first time they used it on DS9. Always baffled me.
@@Albee213 Simply put, Sisko bundled his crew into a ship that wasn't ready to be operated at full power. He essentially paraded the best warship Starfleet had, that couldn't fight to it's full potential because O'Brian hadn't had the time to shake it down in a shakedown cruise and fix all the problems... like the solution Sisko mentioned to the mirror universe O'Brian on how they stopped the ship shaking itself apart when run to full power.
Personally, I think Sisko just wanted the ship he had a hand in designing out of Mothballs so it could be put through it's paces and hoped he wouldn't actually need to fight with it.
Defiant was massively overpowered for it's size, and had cool guns and armor. The first time they took that out on DS9, the paint over the NX designation was barely dry and they had to deal with a romulan working the cloak button. I still like the sovereign, needs the cool ablative armor future Janeway bright back, and a cleaning device.......I still don't know why that's such a big deal...
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s.
Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes :
2245 - Constitution
2285 - Excelsior
2325 - Ambassador
2360 - Galaxy
2400 - Odyssey
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
The Connie refit was outmatched by the Bird of Prey? The BoP commander said, and I quote, "They outgun us 3 to 1!"
And yet
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot
"The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know."
- Captain Scott
The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
@@issamkholoud2009 Be nice
@@Zoroasterisk he said “and yet” he was being condescending
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others.
And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing.
Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways.
And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
I would play the heck out of that game.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
*cough CREW
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
Defiant Class for the win!
They didn't mention that the Odyssey class was a fan designed ship for the MMORPG Star Trek online, it won a fan star ship design contest in 2012.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
But inexperienced as a Captain
The Defiant wasn't trying to kill them or that would have been a short fight. That part is the only problem I have with this list good work.
This list should've been five entries & included the Kelvin Enterprise vs. The Swarm ships in Star Trek: Beyond. That space battle was nothing short of spectacular, and showed how unprepared Starfleet vessels are for Star Wars level dogfights.
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
I still think it had a better shot than any other ship, with or without Picard
@@GiantFreakinRobot That's totally true
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Yeah prime timeline only
@@GiantFreakinRobot you won’t catch me raising a fuss about not including what JJ did to ST…
@@GiantFreakinRobot …as it should be thanks to our pal JJ, destroyer of many universes.
Excelsior doesn't get the respect it deserves, IMO.
Great topic
Thanks!!
The bulk of Starfleet’s ships were mainly used for exploring not war
Not during the Dominion War.
The Dominion War lasted 2 years@@GiantFreakinRobot
Good point. Only #Sovereign #Prometheus #Intrepid #Akira and #Defiant classes were built for combat.
Cool video.
Hold the phone partner, what happened to the DREADNAUGHT class? That was a purpose built WARSHIP.
That's the alternate timeline. We don't talk about it.
Not prime timeline
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe.
Make up your mind
Hummm same thing I was thinking that ship was a beast
@@Maddmaxx0007 It was, but it was taken out like a death star.
In STII, the Enterprise was attacked at its most vulnerable spot with shields down, in a sneak attack. It was left at a disadvantage after that attack. The constitution & Miranda class are about equal... they are just configured differently.
The bird of prey with a dozen crew is the B'Rel and the K'Vort class has a crew of around 50
and the Kvort is like 230m long. But its weapons stayed proportional...so VERY strong distruptors.
Yes they were pretty slapdash with it.
Another way to look at the rankings, which ship would you want to command? I would take the Enterprise D Galaxy, B Excelsior, A Constitution (Refit), Nebula, Sovereign, Intrepid, Ambassador, Miranda in that order. Just due to accommodations, abilities, general usefulness, and personal bias. I grew up with ToS movies (watched in the theatres) but the Galaxy was just a beast when it was premiered. (Not going to lie, the holodecks are a feature that cant be ignored lol) Seeing the Enterprise D brought back by Jordi in Picard season 3 damn near brought a tear to my eye seeing the old girl back in the fray.
The defiant would have vaporized that excelsior had Worf brought all of its capabilities to the table. He went soft because the goal wasn’t to destroy it.
I’m not so sure about that. Both Worf and Benteen were holding back, as neither wanted to destroy a Federation starship. O’Brien even points out the enhancements to the Lakota when it first opens fire on the Defiant, saying, “Someone’s been upgrading the Lakota's weapons. That’s a lot of firepower for an Excelsior-class ship.” Later, he expresses doubt about their ability to outrun the Lakota, noting, “If they’ve been tinkering with the weapons, who knows what they’ve done to the warp drive.” Additionally, during a conversation between Leyton and Benteen, Leyton asks if the Lakota has quantum torpedoes, and Benteen hesitates to use them, replying, “Admiral, my orders were to disable the Defiant, not destroy her.” This strongly implies that the Lakota could indeed destroy the Defiant if it utilized it's complete arsenal.
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
Very important question. Can there really be fireworks in space?
Of course, for exactly the same reason that a modern firearm will fire at least once in vacuum: it provides its own oxidizer.
😂 No. Fireworks, smoke and flames do not show in space. Hollywood deals in fiction, not reality.
Yep sums it up, you forgot the juggernaut class though
Where is the Dreadnought ship?
You should see Ashtar Command presently 72,000 miles in orbit around the Earth. Its the size of a small city. Its coming a lot closer in Phase 3 and will drop its cloak in early 2025. We will start to see the scout ships soon. I can't wait 😊
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota.
Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest.
Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence.
Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
@@bairdrew I always wondered if Worf's inner Klingon would have kicked in and just went full kick ass mode.
@@majorsynthqed7374 I believe he'd learnt his lesson after being reamed for blowing up that cloaked transport during the klingon-cardassian conflict.
Dam head banging I love it!
Haha thanks. We thought it was funny at least
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields.
Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war.
Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities...
As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}}
I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship.
Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Hated that ship with that big ass saucer.
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
What about the Dreadnought class from the reboot "Into Darkness". Yeah yeah there was only one, but massive state of the art weapons and the ability to be piloted by a minimal crew (even only 1)... is by far the strongest ship.
good video, thanks
but.... Defiant? Prometheus? :-)
Both ships have to face off against the Sovereign and neither can beat it.
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
There is some information on it. It's on star trek online.
Good Stuff!
Thanks! Good to hear, we spent a crazy amount of time on it, probably more than we should have!
What about the Prometheus?
Yes good point. It was the most powerfull ship for a short time. I guess it had alot of firepower but wasn't really great at anything else other than intercept and destroy. The list is taking a more "who was best of it's time and could do alot of things" approach.
The Excelsior is so good, they used it in the large battle of Picard Season 3 too with a refit design.
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
Welcome friend. You are now one of us.
We’re all quite mad here
Meh, it's a good way to turn your brain off and have fun.
What did you thing you were going to watch when you started the video?
Where's my Excelsior mafia at!?!?!
Picard series with those LCARS... Like at 9:03, soooooo good!
The most powerful ship is whatever one Captain James T. Kirk and his crew are in command of at the time.
Exactly! The best ships had the best captains; #Archer #Kirk #Sisko #Picard #Janeway
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
but the thing is, Discovery sucks ass and no one considers it canon.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
@@greybeard5123 But we don't so they can suck on a catus.
Few things in your description that the older PC Starfleet command series of games that got for all intensive purposes is canon , some examples:
Heavy Cruiser constitution class , refit A and then a "Drone" refit which is a minimal crew or remote crewed ship , all are which in games and each model covered . Pretty sure you can find the games cheap and a crapton of ships in game that were featured in ST before and after game .
Excelsior variant I was fond of was the Bismarck class, the main torpedo bay was replaced by a large plasma launcher similar to the biggest Romulan ships , weapon had shorter range but hits harder than torpedoes. Budgets kept us from seeing the federation missile ships , Romulan plasma launchers of different sizes or races like the Hydrans and their broken af weapons and their ships were carriers for squadrons of spaceship fighters etc.
You are forgetting the most power ship ever made in star flee the oberth
It’s so powerful it doesn’t even need turbo lifts between the two hulls!
The USS Lolipop, as manned by Will Riker. He said it was a "good ship".
Made out of explodium. One hit from a Klingon photo torpedo or a light hit from a Borg cutting beam and Ta-Dah! It’s gone! 🤣
They should have renamed it the " O-Shit" class, because one good fart in it direction and it was doomed.
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
I 100 % agree with you .. i don't care what people think of the reboot Scimtar was a beast and yes I too soooo wanted to see that huge disrupter get fired
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
Im so so on how it looks but it’s so big it has to be on this list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
Thank you for saying exactly what I thought of that ship. Slow whale is exactly what it looks like.
Maybe it was designed in case the whale probe comes back lol
Not all ships need to be fast or easy to maneuver, she is a bit of those big capital ships.
keeping it naval, the Enterprizes were frequently put in the equivalent of a nuclear carrier flagship vessel. Only a few NX, only a few Constitution, Ambassador and 1st block of Galaxy. Cutting edge ships of their era a couple of times they ended up in a workhorse hull like the Excalibur matching up with a WW2 fletcher or Cold War Arleigh Burke and getting "long toothed" before finally getting replaced.
The 1st block Galaxies were exploratory peacetime vessels, but after a couple encounters with Borg and Dominion, they were tightened up. They lost the bells and whistles and became more like the nuclear carriers of the cold war. Big ships with heavy power projection that served as fleet command vessels. I expect, if the Enterprize C hadn't crashed, that it would have been replaced by a second block Galaxy built with a combat tested, and resilient, spaceframe. The warpcore and computer issues resolved and a lot of the cruise ship feel burned away due to the Dominion war. A long endurance ship-yes, but one with significant adjustments into a more organized and martial mindset.
The Sovreign was most decidedly designed as a slugger or tactical vessel a combat cruiser with exploration capabilities and very little diplomatic or first contact funtion like the second flight Galaxies would still have been equipped with being designed as deep explorers first. I think the Sovreign is starfleets recognition of a requirement for a kick ass capiitol combat ship that more aggressive races could respect.
The Odyssey would be the ship built after all the lessons learned from Voyager, Dominion, and Borg were integrated and mastered and used to build a ship like the Constitution Class again. A class of a few big cutting edge generalists that could win an occaisional bare knuckle fight or bar brawl in a rowdy sector.
I saw the Mirandas, Nebulas, and similar "Close Coupled" ships as the workhorses of the fleet running the vaccines, triticale, or evacuation efforts. Made from already designed parts in a "warp efficient enough" form factor with components that would be mass producible from the bleeding edge flagship designs.
Voyager kick every ass in the Delta Quadrant.
Yeah but you don’t really believe it’s a more powerful ship than the Sovereign or Galaxy do you?
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
Preach it!
Excellent analysis! However maybe add a 2nd list with ships like the Defiant, Voyager, AGT future Enterprise D and NX 01.
You mean the three engine Enterprise? Sadly that was an alternate future which never ended up happening
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Enterprise D was resurrected in ST Picard, so we may see it yet!
Given that the Defiant class is the only true warship, I.e. it's designer, Sisko wanted it specially to fight, I would pick one of those if I wanted to go into a combat situation.
For anything else I'd pick an Intrepid class or it's successor, Voyager really defined that class and I'm pretty sure Admiral Ross used one (The USS Bellerophon) in the dominion war that fared well in every battle it had.
Also given how well the Enterprise-E fared against the Scimitar that outgunned her 3 to 1, I think a pair of Sovereigns or maybe 3 of them could have actually defeated the Scimitar.
I have a soft spot for the NX-01 though, I know its massively primitive compared to the modern era but back in the day it was on the higher end of ships at the time. Warp 5 was considered fast back then and once it was upgraded post expanse, it could fight evenly against actual warships of it's era.
The Defiant is great but it was a contemporary of the Sovereign and no way it could take a Sovereign
@@GiantFreakinRobot we don’t know how either ship would fair really against each other. The defiant however is absolutely far more maneuverable than a sovereign and possesses the same power plant of a galaxy class ship.
The defiant especially the prototype that was commanded by Sisko performed well in every battle it had, it could even fight two kilngon battlecruisers while it was evacuating a ship of cardassians without shields and still warp away.
It could take on 4 Jen Hadar destroyers alone, ram one, destroy the others and still cloak and warp.
It took a heavily modified Excelsior class ship to fight evenly with the Defiant.
@@WaveForceful The biggest problem with the Defiant Class of Warships was that it have numerous design flaws which would cause "bugs" throughout the systems during combat. If pushed too hard, it was said it would tear itself apart. It's like putting an oversized motor in a muscle car and then not beefing up the transmission, suspension, and rear end to handle it.
You are correct though in the fact that the Defiant Class of Starships were the ONLY true Warships ever built by Starfleet which seems odd when they constantly faced stronger threats such as the Romulans and Klingons and of course, the Borg.
The Dominion was the least biggest threat they ever faced since their ships were not really that powerful, the crews had to be constantly drugged to man them, and they needed more ships than their enemies to defeat them. Of course, the Dominion soared when it came to gaining allies to fight against their enemies, that is where their power really came from.
Not to mention, with all of the different races involved in Starfleet, they should have been leagues ahead of all of their enemies such as the Klingons and Romulans, but for some weird reason, they really weren't. They barely matched with the Klingons and both the Klingons and Starfleet were far behind the Romulans when it came to shields and armament.
And will someone please explain to me why literally every Starfleet evasive maneuver seemed to land those ships in more trouble than if they just "winged it"??? LOL.
Defiant was tough. Super armor, quantum torpedoes. Yellow blasters, plus it was tiny and fast, so hard to hit.
It isn't the only "true" warship. Lots of others were build for the sheer purpose of fighting the Borg. Steamrunner, Akira, Nova, and Sabre were all made for kicking butt.
Its a nice video, id say the Prometheus, and the voyager refit, as well as the zheng he belong on this list over the galaxy class, the enterprise e and oddysey. These are all respectively stated as the most powerful ships of the time.
Tank you for your feedback and thanks for the compliment. Thoes are all fantastic starships and we definitely considered them.
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You are right, especially because the original version of the Constitution calss was built during the Four Years War, and with the intent ( I donìt know if succeded), of building a Starship capable of out performing a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser under every aspect; so a Klingon Bird of Prey would have just been reduced to space junk if matched against a Constituition class in top condition, against a Constitution Refit would have probably just turned tail and run as to live to fight another day (usually Klingons try to avoid a dishonorable death, in order to avoid ending in Gre'thor)
Great breakdown video. Well organized and entertaining. 💪🙂👍
Thanks!!
How could you not include the Defiant class and put an entry onto this list twice? Defiant isn't a battleship but it could engage dedicated warships many times its size and/or while severely outnumbered.
The Defiant was strong and tough for it's size but the video is about the deadliest ships. In the regard the Defiant was limited, it's weaponry whilst powerful against ships of a similar size don't have the same destructive capabilities as weapons found on bigger ships that have room for bigger cannon emplacements and larger power plants to use them. Think of it in terms of a naval destroyer vs a battleship, the bigger the ship the bigger the guns.
I think his choice to leave it out makes some sense, yes the defiant is an amazing vessel, but it is highly focused for combat. He was touching on overall performance. That said it should atleast gained an honorable mention as it was at every phase of the battle for earth in First Contact!
@@matthewcaskey1051 Also technically the Defiant is classed as an escort ship. it would be considered a Destroyer or Frigate by modern navy standards. The Intrepid and probably Constitution Class would be Cruisers while the Soveriegn Class, Galaxy Glass, Excelsior and other ships of that size would be Battleships and the centerpeice of a strike force (since Star Trek does not seem to employ Carriers the way most other Sci-Shows like Babylon 5, Star Wars Stargate, or BSG do)
@MrMalve25 they do! Look up the Midway class, they do have fighters and they were even used during the show, think peregrine is the name of them? Something like that.
It actually was a battleship; it was designed as a deterrent to the Borg.
The constitution class appears in TNG battle with borg plus they were briefly mentioned
So the Defiant, and Akira class are not worth mentioning compared to the Excelsior or Constitution class??
Not in that list because they never outmatched the top of the line by the time they were introduced.
No Intrepid class? That ship survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant.
What about the Inquiry class, Riker stated it's the biggest, fastest and most powerful ship Starfleet ever produced. Made the Tal Shiar run away.
The less said about anything to do with the first two terrible seasons of Picard, the better.
Leaving the Defiant off of this list is a huge mistake. It consistently dominated foes that were superior in both numbers and tonnage.
It would have to beat a Sovereign. Can it?
I would argue that the Defiants cloak would give it an advantage@GiantFreakinRobot
It tore Dominion ships to hell!
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
Notice the refit being able to take all the punishment from V'ger never gets mentioned.
Is it me or is this voice 100% AI?
I think the script was AI too... Yeah didn't vibe with this at all.
Finally, obviously the most recent flagship of starfleet is the most powerful. Trying to complicate it by "the most powerful is derived from the ships of it's era and how much better it is" is total junk. Honestly redo this whole video it's a joke.
@danielforeman8934 not if you're trying to put things in their historical context.
Whilst I agree with you that the use of AI voice and scripting in this vid is bad, your last comment is flatly nonsense - something isn't rubbish simply because you miss the point its trying to make.
Odessy and Thurgy class are IMHO two of the finest looking ships in the fleet.
TOS Enterprise will always have a special place.
Oh if we are going by looks this would be a very different list!
Would have liked to know where the Dreadnought class from StarTrek into Darkness would sit in this list. Understandably that was the Kelvin timeline and may not have been in scope of this analysis. Appreciate any thoughts around this.
Right it’s alt universe so not included. But if I was including it, not sure where I would put it. Its an oddball one off built in a sort of half-assed way in secret. Its Chief ability is being big. And in the end, it lost.
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
I'm with you! How is the Intrepid class not even mentioned? it survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant against #Vidians #Borg #Kazon #Hirogen.
Hmm I'm not sure. USS Defiant under Worf, it's a bloody fast ship (far faster at warp than anything else), is all guns and ammo, and has Worf commanding. Designed purely to defeat the Borg. I'm going with the Defiant.
@@cottonfoo Defiant class only had a top speed of warp 9.5 making it a slower ship given its newer design.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
this would have been a lot better if done in the time line from earliest to latest.
still tho got a sub from me
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.