YEAH, but Turf-doms, fiefdoms, and $$ SELFISHNESSES got in the way, THEN came WOKE, and - as it ALWAYS does to ANYTHING it touches - WOKE KILLED CBS S-T. THIS would have been the IDEAL ANSWER, had they not been blinded by their own selfishnesses, then SPITTING in the faces of their FAN BASE ( which they COULD have expanded on) with "lifestyles", Mary Sue's, etc., and THEN outright COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS, all powered by WOKE. If we can SOMEHOW shed the WOKE, etc., maybe THIS could fill the VOID Piccard was HOPED to band-aid over. We'll see.
@@richardpoynton4026 Not just about money ... ego and money. In that order. If it were just about money, we'd have better movies because pleasing the fans would be profitable.
The problem these people like Kurtzman are all EGO and no talent. It has to be there idea. Hire people who are creative not your buddies like Kurtsman. I would hired these guys as consultants and writers. Then we would come up with something original and epic that the fans wanted. The realism of Battlestar Galactica in the prime star trek universe ✨. What a missed opportunity 😕
@@n43510 No, money, money and ...let me think, ah yes, MONEY. Axanar is a movie/show that would be interesting to us 50+, but today? No, it would bomb in the UA-cam/tiktok/Black-Panther-is-the-best-movie-ever generation.
they should make the whole movie...just for the cast. show it once, to everyone that's worked on it...and then store it on a server... and then "oh my god we've been hacked by the russians! and they've released the whole thing!"
That small segment felt more authentic than anything I’ve seen in Picard to date.Having no shots on board either ship actually enhanced the drama and eeriness, I felt. Well done.
Yes. It was really the only Trek 'Prequel' that did its best to stick to established canon (although yes, they did have Richard Hatch as a 'ridge headed' Klingon, but I was willing to overlook that as 'Rule of Cool' ^_^). Unfortunately, it truly does seem there were some monetary shenanigans going on behind the scene, but I still feel the real reason CBS/Paramount brought down the 'ban hammer' was because they didn't want any competition/confusion with their own prequel.
Axanar should have finished at the 1st successful kickstarter, and ended there. NOOOO they had to bring us the lawsuit because they were greedy bastards.
@@STAntares From what I understand is Alec is shortening the Axanar film from 2 hours to 30 minutes as stated by CBS Star Trek fan film guidelines. The 30 minute Axanar short film will be out 2021 due to Covid-19.
@@trinidadtheislandman4065 - Yeah, but Turf-doms, fiefdoms, and $$ SELFISHNESSES got in the way, THEN came WOKE, and - as it ALWAYS does to ANYTHING it touches - WOKE KILLED CBS S-T. THIS would have been the IDEAL ANSWER, had they not been blinded by their own selfishnesses, then SPITTING in the faces of their FAN BASE ( which they COULD have expanded on) with "lifestyles", Mary Sue's, etc., and THEN outright COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS, all powered by WOKE. If we can SOMEHOW shed the WOKE, etc., maybe THIS could fill the VOID Piccard was HOPED to band-aid over. We'll see.
The thing that strikes me here is the *passion* of the artist - Talking about having fun working for *months* on a single scene, talking about his artistic inspirations and talking about the new things he wanted to bring to the genre. This is the difference between good or competent artist and an *excellent* artist. This is, IMO at least, what modern Trek lacks - Passion. It's a 9-5 job done by people who want their check at the end of the month. They have no love for the art or the franchise and no desire to do anything but tick the boxes identified by marketing. CBS would have been smart if they'd bought up this script, absorbed the team, finished the show (as an AU special if necessary) and then found some way to use this passion themselves. However, modern corporate entertainment distrusts passion - It may get in the way of profit and pleasing their internal audience (in the entertainment industry) enough to get awards. Which is sad and pretty much everything that is wrong with not just Trek but popular entertainment as a whole.
Keep a good thought, everyone. It can still happen. Contracts expire. Eventually, maybe in only a year or two, Paramount will be free of Bad Reboot and Hidden Agendoor and that will allow producers who know and care about Star Trek to create.
Forget CBS! Under the new re-emerge, PARAMOUNT should work, to get Axanar, to save the fandom.... and show the world, what hacks, JJ Abrams and Kurtzman, truly are.
Actually, I think Axanar was the catalyst which fragmented Star Trek. Not really convinced that Axanar "saved" Trek or Trek fandom at all. But then again, sometimes a patient is so diseased that something has to be amputated to ensure survival (and a chance for future growth) ... so maybe Axanar will turn as Trek's salvation, in hindsight, in the long run.
@@pwnmeisterage No....it didnt fragment. It showed us, that everything that STD producers said was "Outdated" and "Looked bad" and was corrected by STD wasn't! The old styles and designs still worked great. It showed us, that despite spending millions of dollars an episode, with lens flares and heavy use of camera angles, like those used in 1960's Batman episodes, a simple approach worked better. It showed us, that good writing, over SJW committee compositions, was superior, as well! Fans loved Trek. SJW's, don't. It's as simple as that.
@@pwnmeisterage Axanar was just a bump in the road. Trek had already been gaffes by Enterprise, and JJ Abrams in 3 bad or mediocre films. He and others didn't have the vision or knowledge to turn Trek into a Franchise like the MCU. They took Star Treks Cinematic Universe and promptly threw it away....just like Star Wars.
As a long time star trek fan this would have been dream come true, the effects are awe inspiring its a damn shame that cbs is just too damn greedy to care for it star trek fan base. CBS can learn from you guy on how to do star trek right. This was bitter sweet thank you for sharing this with us.
If you are a long term Star Trek fan, the last thing you should want is this. You think CBS defines greed? Enter Alec Peters, creator of Axanar: Arrogant, deceitful, their.
@@SumDumGy there isnt too many options for trek out there yes he is greedy but lesser evil than cbs. I dont like the things alec peters has done but in the end im here to watch star trek or something close to it.
@latinoguy483, there are a lot of options out there for Star Trek, depending on taste. There are 28 years worth of live series, an animated series, 10 films, a slew of fan film and series passion projects and then everything else made over the last eleven years, depending on what you prefer to watch. I’d rather there be nothing made at all right now than support anything produced by the camps of Abrams, Kurtznonbinary or Peters. Frankly, I don’t understand why Robert is making these videos in light of how Peters treated him. The purpose of romoting Peters here baffles me. Why people keep pointing fingers at CBS is beyond me.
I can absolutely attest to Tobias almost telepathic ability to read what an artist has in mind. We collaborated on The Enigma Class and despite a minor language barrier we spoke in images better than we could in the written form. He's a true artist. I cherish every bit of his embellishment he contributed to Enigma. Many of the changes I wouldn't have added but now I see as part of the Collab effort. He puts his mark on the design and I think because he's so experienced and talented in his art he knows what you want but he also knows what would be better...It was like Trek was the only language we needed.
This is the movie or the series that should have been made, supported and financed by CBS! It’s because they didn’t want to be shown up by people with more imagination, talent, and skills than those getting paid megabucks to produce the crap like Discovery!! Axanar had depth as a story, a SOLID cast and crew, and a storyline that was literally a bridge between Enterprise and the original series! This was a feature that needs to be finished and unhampered by CBS! But we are talking if CBS was logical and wanted to do the right thing! This series did on a fraction of the budget CBS had, and bought a story that gripped fans around the world and wanting more! Yet CBS wants to squash this as hard as they can, which make us fans beyond furious!
I haven't seen Starship Combat sequences as good since that whole Star Trek Motion Pictures 1-3. Not just the ship combat but combined with cinematic score and also the unfinished acting sequences. Its really too bad CBS couldn't learn a thing or two from people with great idea's. An interesting contrast is that Axanar had the great idea's and storyline but not the full budget as compared to CBS who lacks the ideas and storyline.
There has never been something an entertainment company has ever done that has made me this furious. Regardless of that though, I commend you for speaking without any anger but with the passion you had when you envisioned this project. Thank you for these beautiful shots and breakdown
Beautifully rendered👍🏻💐 It’s a crime that the Powers that Be don’t put this level of caring, interest and effort into the franchise anymore. You’re a credit to fans everywhere. I’m really disappointed with the the owners of the franchise. The day they forcibly removed the fan-made Enterprise D virtual tour, was the day I gave up any future franchise shows....that virtual look inside the ship was the digital equivalent of the Mona Lisa...How many human-hours went into that, how much thought and consideration to go deck by deck to create that masterpiece..and to have it just ripped away is unforgivable. This movie we’ll never get, falls into that category for me...an absolute masterpiece, ignored by studios. Even though those idiots didn’t take to it, the fans appreciate your hard work.
That was a beautiful sequence. I especially loved the emotional impact that the music added to the scene. That would be a great way to begin a movie. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Just those shots plainly show that Axanar would have made the entirety of Kurtzmantrek look like amateur fanfic. Heh even as is, it actually does. No wonder CBS shot it down and with it every hope of seeing anything like this labor of love from true fans. Getting your inspiration from 2001/2010 A Space Odyssey, STTMP and Alien is the right way to go. It is very telling how this would have made Star Trek goes the next step in visuals without looking like Star Wars and at the same time still in continuity with Classic Trek; neither pew pew plane dogfights nor seagoing protacted warfare with obvious tactical elements, making the battle a story of it's own within the story. Kudos to you Sir. You restore faith in Trek fans that there are people out there still true to the vision and yet able to boldly bring it forward.
@@kruleworld Well he is on record stating two things: 1- He is not a fan of Star Trek and never watched it. (stated during an interview about Abrams 09 movie) 2- He does not care about Star Trek but about using Star Trek as a platform for his socio-political agenda. (stated during Comicon Star Trek panel this year) On a side note, he was hired and offered what seem to be an insane 5 years contract of lordship over all things Trek by Les Moonves, the former CBS CEO who is on record as not liking sci-fi, cannot even tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars, and the one who pulled the plug on ENT in 2005 when it was actually improving and still had solid ratings. Kurtzman is also the business partner of J. J. Abrams who is only interested in the merchandizing side of Star Trek (also one on record as not liking or watching or even understanding Star Trek and wanted to dumb it down for those like him). As Abrams failed to force CBS in stopping merchandizing of classic Trek to better push his own failing one, Kurtzman is obviously working at erasing classic Trek so as to leave only his own for merchandizing purposes; hence why they went for a prequel with their very first show, with visuals totally disconnected with Star Trek, and again doing so with their next planned one Strange New Worlds. His production team also is on record this year saying Star Trek Picard was a deliberate effort to deconstruct the character of Picard and his TNG legacy. Lower Decks is currently doing the same effort with TNG in particular and the whole of Star Trek canon as well, flooding asinine references to it while showcasing characters, behaviors and situations completely anti-trek. He may not get it, but one thing he does get is that he must do anything BUT Star Trek with his Trek rip-offs to achieve his goals.
@@odojang Kurtzman seems to be a classic case of getting the job because of who you know. If he had to operate on the premise that most of the rest of us do in day-to-day life, like "What have you done for me lately", he'd have been exposed and dropped pretty quick. Number 2, dunno what the studio execs were thinking, imagining that they wouldn't lose mountains of money on the nonsense that's being produced today. Don't they have focus and research groups and all that other fun stuff to help them decide what they make? Did some group actually come back with the response that audiences would just *LOVE* a sci-fi series heavy with social justice issues and virtue signaling? Horrendous decision making.
@@michaelplatts8052 Well for one thing, people with an agenda always think what they believe is right, that everyone would and should agree with them. If they don't, it must be shoved down their throats... or reject them utterly if they still dissent. They did indeed have focus groups and test audiences. Each time they were told what they did was utter garbage. The merchandizing companies dropped them, unable to sell anything from it, because it was garbage. Fans and audience's abysmal ratings and scathing comments proved that it was garbage. Distributors rejected their new projects and opted out of their contracts with them, because it was garbage. Even the streaming service they served as the flagship of, failed and disappeared, further proof it was garbage. Why do they persist in making that garbage then? Answer is above. But also, we must not forget the main actors in this disaster: 1- CBS didn't create Star Trek (NBC did), never knew what to do with it (or care). Only the (before Kurtzman) very lucrative merchandizing mattered to them. To get more money out of an IP they didn't use, they came up with the ''alternate licence'' for Abrams' own STINOs (Star Trek In Name Only) Kurtzman is using to disfigure Star Trek and legally kidnap it. 2- J. J. Abrams stated that he never watched Star Trek and never liked it because he never could understand it. So he opted to dumb it down and turn it into his demo reel to pitch for his self-professed true love, Star Wars (we saw what he did with his ''true love'' afterwards). Abrams cared only for this and for the merchandizing. As his merchandizing stint totally failed, he moved on right after the first film (he was forced by contract to make the 2nd one and to produce the 3rd). But he left in his wake lucrative pop-corn flicks (because fan attrition) that made people beleive his starwarshy style and dumb kid storytelling was ''Nu Trek.'' 3- Enter his screenwriter for these STINOs, Alex Kurtzman, who stated he also never liked or watched Star Trek, as proven by his moronic screenplays of Abrams first two movies. He is also the man who killed the Transformer franchise, the Sony Spider-Man franchise and the Universal Monsterverse with his incompetence as a writer and producer. This year, he stated at Comicon that he does not want to promote Star Trek but use Star Trek as a platform to promote his politics. 4- How come then did he manage to kidnap Star Trek? Enter Les Moonves, former CEO of CBS, notorious for 2 things (beside his current legal problems that ousted him from his job); he hates sci-fi, to the point of not even being able to tell Star Trek from Star Wars; he terminated ENT on it's 4th season when it still had decent viewership and was improving. He found in Kurtzman a kindred spirit (hence ousting Brian Fuller, true Trek veteran and fan) and gave him an iron-clad 5 years contract of total control over all things Trek. The circle of Hell is now complete. And we, Trek fans, and Star Trek itself, are trapped in it ever since.
I had heard of Axanar but never seen any of it - I am utterly blown away. Instead of this we get Picard and Disco. This is real Star Trek; such a shame it had to get cancelled.
Apart from the music in (silent) space, I like what you did. I remember the SaveTrek campaign in the mid 1990s, mostly on Geocities sites (LOL). People were annoyed at DS9 being a soap opera. Producers seemed to see the franchise as a cash cow, most people didn't care about the Star Trek Universe they just wanted an entertaining show to watch every week. A few dedicated fans were adamant that it ought to stay on track but they were outnumbered. I for one was annoyed when for ST:TMP they jumbled the galaxy map, it no longer looked like the one in the original series and its Technical Manual. Paramount had jettisoned its relationship with the Amarillo Design Bureau. 99% of people didn't care. Similar to when the Jackson LOTR movie deals were made, I.C.E. lost its ability to publish Middle Earth modules which were very well made. Money money money. Tolkien probably would not have approved.
@@PatriceBoivin Funny never thought of DS9 as being anything like a soap opera and man it towers above any ST were are getting now, except for some fan films which have more passion for ST than CBS!
@@PatriceBoivin I always liked DS9. Does anyone remember the april fools day gags on the old official star trek website? Around 2003 or 04 they wrote a great april fools day headline news article about how deep space nine was going be brought back to air alongside Enterprise. but it had been retooled as a soap opera, called "as the wormhole turns." I thought it was pretty funny. They said the end of season 1 cliff hanger would be that they would use "the orb of time" as a plot device for the series to cross over with the long running soap opera "as the world turns" and that the entire cast of "as the world turns" would be recurring characters in season 2. I thought that was a pretty funny way of responding to the "soap opera" criticism.
That's spectacular! It's kinda neat with no live action interior shots... my imagination is free to fill in the blanks... to write my own scene. Garth decisively giving orders, while simultaneously trying to hail the Klingons and cease hostilities... and Kang hearing Garth's hails, yet so bloodthirsty, that he pursues Garth to their own doom. AWESOME.
I grew up watching TOS. I was 3 year old in 1975 watching the reruns with my Mother and sister that watched it in the 60's. I was a Star Trek fan from that point on. As my progress of my love for Trek grew, I played FASA Starfleet Battles and the Four Years War. I was excited seeing what you were trying to bring to Trek fans. Thank you for being you and as you would say "We park our shuttles in the same shuttle bay".
Just a beautiful sequence! Top notch CGI, love the full use of the Z axis and the way the camera POV moves freely around the ships. The Klingon hymn turned out so well! Thank you, and everyone so very much!
Great inside-infos you gave us... Loved the Klingon Hymn there! :) It's a shame what CBS and Viacom have done to the franchise, especially the Fan Films and Series. What they gave us in exchange ( STD and StarTP) wasn't even CLOSE to StarTrek.
Star Trek The Motion Picture is also one of my favorites. It's like an AI having a DMT trip. The Motion Picture pacing (hindsight probably not best approach) and Khan inspired my feature film "Salvaging Outer Space". I am currently making a feature film "TECHnically ALIVE", where a woman gets quantum teleported across the universe and ends up on a machine world, with a few homages to TMP, while merging Tron & classic Transformers, teaser on my channel. Watched your Critical Drinker TMP discussion and LOVE "Free Enterprise", so thank you for that. No Tears For Caesar!
Dude. You are one of the most creative people I have seen. Don't listen to people who don't understand Star Trek. You are a genius. This video lacked music during the sequences and I JUST learned how important that is to the completed product. I have gained new respect for the creative process. Thank you.
It's always fun to listen to people who have an obvious passion for the work they do ..this guy ..you can hear the smiles in his face . Looked fantastic guys ..I would hire you in a heart beat!
In my novel "Axanar: The Destroyers" I have the "Klunkers" Operating in Triads. 3 Ship formations with a D Series in the lead and a BOP or Raptor on the flanks. D-6's can also use older D-4 and D-5's as support ships. The Starfleet Destroyers end up copying the Triad formation and use the "Thatch Weave" To compensate for the Destroyers weak shields
I'm so glad that Richard got to hear this heart rending hymn. This does explain why I feel so passionate about giving Kharn justice. He was fighting to defend his people, their honor, their rights and dignity. The greedy humans had taken Klingon territory like spoiled brats. Brazenly grabbing up Klingon planets like candy. With no regard for the consequences of taking what wasn't free for the taking. Is it any wonder that the Klingon empire , a people who had a fierce belief in honor, keeping your word, obeying the law, loving your family.....is it any wonder that they rose up in fury when after repeated warnings the humans refused to return the stolen planets? The Klingons were simply trying to take back what was THEIRS. I would have followed Kharn into battle with a song in my heart.
Prelude was, arguably, the best Star Trek that I've ever seen... It's heartbreaking that we never got this as a result of the sort of people who will never appreciate what Star Trek was supposed to mean.
so much more Star Trek in this unaired/unfinished sequence than in the latest two pretend star trek series combined (you know which ones i'm talking about)
I love the dynamic movement of the starships - flying as you said, on multiple axis in a way that a starship would when it had no restrictions on how it could move or where it could go, and moving in erratic, non-linear paths very much like the same maneuver convoys had to throw off the targeting of ships by U-boat packs. The other Trek shows tended to always use some kind of flat surface to fight, with only very limited times where it tended to show us a more 3D battlefield (I'm thinking about the Federation fleet engaging with Borg attack on the Sol system in First Contact, some battle scenes in the Dominion war arc in DS9, and some Voyager/Enterprise scenes where ships perform 3D maneuvers, to name just a few examples). Also, the choice of having multiple different ships for the Klingon fleet also makes more sense, because if it was a very small fleet, having the same kind of unit would make more sense, while having a mix in the fleet in any attack would work better, as you would have ships with specialized abilities that could carry out very specific tasks or carry very specific gear, like ECM for example (jammers), or better sensor arrays, or serving as C&C platforms from a difference. The crushing scene - I don't know how to feel about that. We know Klingon ships had battle armor plating of a kind that made them pretty tough, even if you don't count the shielding (that would have been disrupted in a gas giant (if the script called for it ) ). Also, for the "crushing effect" to work, having the ship simply break up wouldn't make any sense, because the crushing effect would continue even when structural flaws or weak points on the Klingon ship finally gave in. In effect, using the crushing effect would have posed the problem on what was the "end result" of that special effect. I would say that would have been the most difficult effect to work out how to end because you'd either have to show the ship fragments being crushed down to almost nothing, or simply cut away after the ship starts breaking apart. :/
the passion the team had for this project, the vision shown on display, the depth of the axanar story, this is the trek us fans screamed out for! CBS are very short sighted and obviously put out inferior projects in comparison. If they had the sense, they should have approached you guys and either funded the project under their banner so you can get the full film done and show it on their platform (lesser of two evils?) or brought the team in to assist with realigning the flops that were disco and picard into stories worthy of the canon. this is both a fantastic showing of what you guys created and a huge huge shame that it was not completed in all it's glory. its a trek masterpiece!!
Thank you for sharing this. Makes me so sad we will never see the full film. You guys did the impossible. This is the greatest battle in all of Star Trek!!
"That Model T you're building the whole car show around is a fine automobile...but I've got this Ferrari concept car I'd like to enter..." "Sorry. We're not accepting any more entries at this time." "But...people are already crowding around my car and..." "NEIN!...VERBOTEN!..NYET!" "Ohhh...you don't want my car making your car look..." "SECURITY!"
These scenes and your insights clearly show what a true visionary Director you are with a top notch team of animators.Your very much reminesant of KUBRICK and other greats and the scenes you describe from 2001 and 2010 are some of my favorites too ! STAR TREK needs your talent and passion to survive and Im sure many of the major studios will be lining up to try to contract your services.And when your name is mentioned along side greats like KUBRICK,SPIELBERG,CAMERAON,ect,You will be able to choose whatever film ya want to do.Please return to STAR TREK !!!
This kills me watching this. I saw this when this originally dropped, but hearing your description of the approach you were taking makes my heart ache. Everything that Axanar WAS SUPPOSED TO BE or should have been is how I picture Star Trek should be presented. You nailed it Rob!
This should have been made period. Now as to the rest, how close have we been to Axanar over a half decade now. He's constantly selling merch on the hope of getting this done. He screwed up with CBS and it's cost all of us. Granted at the time Les Moonves was a piece of work to. He didn't do any of the fans a favor in combating them. The pitch should have been is Yes we are building a permanent set. Only to be used for these productions. Why don't you join us in making this right. He could have given them a cut and probably gotten it done. What's that saying pride comes before the fall. I think we have a prime example of that here.
More thought, care, and respect put into the work that this 21 minute video represents than we have seen since the Jar-Jar-Verse began. For shame, CBS. Such a wasted opportunity.
This looks absolutely amazing! It makes me profoundly sad to know that we will never see this in a final form. This would have been so much better than what CBS and Paramount have put in our face lately.
Let's hope the powers that be will eventually extract their craniums from their exhaust ports and sign you and the creators of Axanar to make this a mini-series or feature film. You could make a great Start Trek series/film on a decent budget that isn't over-produced or agenda-driven. They'd make bank and begin a new golden age of Star Trek.
Recently found Axanar on line. Truly awesome. So much has been added . More episodes etc . Really good writing. No idea why paramount doesn’t;t hirer these guys!
Watching this gives me an urge to fire up my email client and write some hate mail to CBS. But then I figured, who of any importance would ever read it? Some nameless clerk would read the first line and delete it, so why waste my time.
I just think with their corporate culture they just don't get it. I remember reading something about the start of the Discovery series and after some show sequences how they forgot to add the ranking strips to the officers sleeves which had to be CGi back in which just shows their mindset. They may own the name but lack the vision and understanding of the Star Trek culture.
I truly believe that had this project been allowed to see full completion,it would have rivaled and in MANY ways outshined discovery...the show that they were afraid axanar would have outdone. Bloody shame this was not allowed to see the life it deserved. Part of me is still hoping that if the rights to star trek can ever finally be under one roof,those that have it will have the heart to allow axanar to be completed.
Just think what CBS All Access might be like today if they had embraced the fan film community and made arrangements to bring some of the best fan films -- including Axanar -- into the fold instead of producing and disseminating Kurtzman Drek. If they had tried to cooperate with Peters, Mignona, et al and celebrate the 50th Anniversary with Axanar, Star Trek Continues, etc.?
Elegant and elegiac. We have part works, sketchs, and unfinished works from the likes of Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Rembrant that still stand out even though not fully fleshed. This was of that nature for me. I've just gotten off re-watching 'First Frontier' to come here. I don't know which is John or which is Mark between the two but just as those were very different takes on Jesus, both of those were Canonical Gospel. Who designed 'Ares'? Externally that has to be my favourite Trek Starship design. Well done! Better to have fought and lost, than to have never fought at all. Excelsior! LLAP.
Beautiful. Maybe they will relent in the future. Thank you for sharing this and the process. love the kligon hymn. For the pleasure it's given none of your's or anyone's effort has been wasted.
I blame this project for future fan films that will never be made and for Star Trek Continues being killed because of the precedent it set. I don’t mind the project but how it was made is my issue.
But... But... There's no thousands of phaser shots flying around! There's no thousands of explosions! There's no zillion fighters and shuttles whizzing about! And there's no magic rotating mushroom drive! Everything is so clear to follow and so tension filled instead of chaos everywhere in every shot! No one would ever have liked this at all!!!!
man, seeing all this work not getting to resolve just makes me sad. but at the same time, i am happy, happy that there are people out there, who think star trek and also think differently. take the best of all the sci fi that you can imagine and put it together in a way, that isnt just "rip off". instead it becomes omage, the highest form of respect to a francise that i can think of. we got star wars, we got 2001, we got BSG. just beautiful maybe some day...some day we will get this. "so say we all" 12:17 yeah also gas giant creatures would have diverted the attention away from the chase.
that's why in my opinion this is not as "trekky" as people think. Many here are just downplaying a show like Discovery and then they are happy to fully embrace a war story like this one.
@@matteodemattia what? you can't "down play" crap! I'm sitting here for ten minutes trying to figure out how to respond without being insulting, it took longer and I can't. you might be a fan of discovery but it's obvious you are not a fan of Star Trek or Axanar, that's cool, you do you, but swimming against the current by defending discovery is not gonna make you edgy it makes you argumentative. Star Trek is an idea and it's ideas can take many forms while still be Trek at it's heart, discovery doesn't have that, it has been completely reworked by petulant directors and producers that said "we are the future so deal with it" and then they targeted petulant fans that will ensure its demise.
I really wish you effects guys would depict maneuvering and fighting at warp speed as described in the original series instead of relegating warp to the Star Wars sequel sub light battles
It is established in ST that you can only travel in straight lines at warp speed. To change direction, you have to drop out of warp. So, you can't fight or maneuver in warp. Your weapon fire would have to travel faster than you to hit a target either ahead of you or alongside of you. You could fire weapons at a ship behind you, I suppose. This is the reason the BlackBird was an unarmed spy plane. If it had guns, it would shoot itself down. (Tom Paris, in Voyager says "Faster than light, no left or right" when mentioning that you can't turn in warp)
@@dougwhiddon8227 Your example (while it did happen) is contradicted by many examples from a multitude of episodes from the Original Series to TNG to Ds9 to Enterprise in which course corrections are often made at Warp without slowing. We even see it in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as the rickety Bird of Prey circles the sun at high warp. Voyager itself contradicts your suggestion as even the Kazon are shown attacking Voyager at Warp and maneuvering around her. Likewise, the Borg maneuver into the path of an attacking 8472 ship while both are at warp. All these things show that line by Tom Paris to be a canon outlier and not the standard. Maneuvering and fighting at warp are not only possible, but displayed across the Trek canon. Perhaps you are thinking of ship maneuvering and space combat in Star Wars?
doug whiddon voyager is riddled with erroneous shit. No it’s not established. There are countless times when TOS fights and maneuvers at warp. I can site multiple examples I can’t tell you how wrong you are about this Warp is not a jump drive or hyper space drive it’s a real spacetime drive! In Star Trek two the wrath of khan Savik orders the helmsman to “project a parabolic course to avoid entering the neutral zone.” Parabolic key word. Just because new special effects need to keep the both ships in the picture frame does not mean they are not maneuvering at warp. In the “Ellan of Troyius” the Enterprise’ warp capability is disabled and is being attacked by the Klingon aggressor at warp. As soon as Scotty restores warp power Kirk says to go to warp speed and to get them out of the solar system because he needs maneuver room. In The ultimate computer the war games are conducted at warp with multiple course changes. There are many more. But I would belabor my point. If your going to talk back at least know what your talking about
@@LancetFencingI love starship combat in scifi and Star Trek ship combat in particular. I don't favor how it has been handled post-Enterprise, but I love RBM and Tobias Richter's collaboration here. He manages to make the ships feel large, but still agile and graceful. Hahah, one of my two gripes of this clip is all those disruptor blasts that miss as the Klingon's are pursuing the Aries outside the gas giant's atmosphere. That's a lot of misses for Trek ships at that range. Klingons don't miss (often). My other gripe is the FX used for the Klingon ship while it is traveling at warp. I'm just not a fan of the "hyperspace tunnel" effect, even if it is subtle. I prefer the rainbow energized particles (starlines) streaming past the ship's warp field, though it isn't scientifically accurate so far as we know. Just a continuity thing. On the whole, I love this work and can't wait to see the other vids in this series.
I mourn for this project, I absoultely love the way the ships look in and out of combat, and the scenery is gorgeous. Thank you for showing us these extra scenes that weren't shown in the Prelude, they're all fantastic. The dedication towards making space combat realistic is so great to see, its a real shame some of the scenes were unfinished.
Star Wars has gone down the same road. Then Terminator, Ghostbusters, Alien franchise, the DCU was DOA (save for a couple good movies), MCU soon to follow now that they've replaced all the main characters with female leads... it's going to get much, much worse. The latest Star Wars game is supposed to be all female leads and all the Empire baddies are white males. The next Star Wars trilogy is supposed to be all "minority lead" with no "war" in Star Wars. All we can hope is that they just let these franchises die instead of keeping them on life support while they writhe in pain, begging to be released.
Yes makes sense, an episode about how Burnham weeps, shouts and plans a mutiny because her replicated eggs taste funny. Next episode we spend half of the episode recaping the previous episode only to go over it again from the other characters point of view each crying at some point often with no explanation. Finally it all culminates on a third recap episode where we only see the crying bits then have a jarring cut where they are all at the bridge. They declare mutiny for one minute, then ban together to exterminate a few friendly species, only to break down and cry again because their uniforms make them look fat. If they did that, I'm sure CBS would approve
OUTSTANDING this would make a great movie definitely. Moving to a three dimensional View for the combat in space. With the spacecraft approaching from any direction and the way you presented is truly novel this is a real tree thank you very much. Oh yeah I hope and pray you get to make the movie you've got a good solid base.
I'm not entirely sure they care about money either... the trash being passed off as Star Trek these days is actually losing them tons of money. If they cared about money, they'd ditch that hack Kurtzman, and put someone in charge of Trek, who actually knows wtf they're doing... They'd also do a lot to repair their relationship with the fans, if they ditched those idiotic fan film rules, so that fans could continue telling stories, thus sustaining interest in the brand.
Apparently they don't even care about money since they continue to fund the garbage that has lost them viewers and fans and fight the films that fans actually like.
If they actually wanted money, the right way to have gone about making it was to get in league with the fans and allow for independent productions to flourish (with underwritten financing as necessary). But they were so possessed with doing something *new* and *different* with the Star Trek brand in order to make a name for themselves that they completely blew it. And now are so far gone that all they can do is look around in a sort of daze and say, "Gee, now what?" The answer is fan films, nitwits! Why not stop trying to be *woke* and start letting people who know what they're doing provide you with the good stuff - since you haven't got a clue as to what the good stuff really is?
They have to find a way to get out of the contract the former head of CBS gave Kurtzman without losing their shirts before they can start to correct the damage he has wrought.
If there were any sane people at CBS and Paramount, they would have hired these guys to make the movie officially. It's the Star Trek fans wanted.
YEAH, but Turf-doms, fiefdoms, and $$ SELFISHNESSES got in the way, THEN came WOKE, and - as it ALWAYS does to ANYTHING it touches - WOKE KILLED CBS S-T.
THIS would have been the IDEAL ANSWER, had they not been blinded by their own selfishnesses, then SPITTING in the faces of their FAN BASE ( which they COULD have expanded on) with "lifestyles", Mary Sue's, etc., and THEN outright COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS, all powered by WOKE.
If we can SOMEHOW shed the WOKE, etc., maybe THIS could fill the VOID Piccard was HOPED to band-aid over.
We'll see.
Movie studios are all about money - not fans. Just look at what Disney did to StarWars, then look at some of the fan made StarWars clips..... 😔
@@richardpoynton4026 Not just about money ... ego and money. In that order.
If it were just about money, we'd have better movies because pleasing the fans would be profitable.
The problem these people like Kurtzman are all EGO and no talent. It has to be there idea. Hire people who are creative not your buddies like Kurtsman. I would hired these guys as consultants and writers. Then we would come up with something original and epic that the fans wanted. The realism of Battlestar Galactica in the prime star trek universe ✨. What a missed opportunity 😕
@@n43510 No, money, money and ...let me think, ah yes, MONEY. Axanar is a movie/show that would be interesting to us 50+, but today? No, it would bomb in the UA-cam/tiktok/Black-Panther-is-the-best-movie-ever generation.
I am speechless.. this is incredible stuff.
Definitely the sort of thing that could re-ignite interest in Star Trek.
they should make the whole movie...just for the cast. show it once, to everyone that's worked on it...and then store it on a server...
and then "oh my god we've been hacked by the russians! and they've released the whole thing!"
But then they can't make money off it like selling Axanar branded products. Like they got sued for in the first place.
The whole problem is that they want to make cash off it. I would love to see the whole movie, but we never will.
BECAUSE Klingons ARE THE SOVIET UNION LOL.
No. Just, no.
@@EnterpriseC14 the people making it don't want anything it's the people stopping them, so yeah that is kinda the point
It's wonderful to see Star Trek made by folks who actually love Star Trek... as opposed to CBS/Paramount...
That's what happens when you try to profit off a property you don't own.
I know Im kinda randomly asking but do anybody know a good place to stream newly released movies online?
@Isaias Joe ehh I use Flixportal. you can find it by googling =) -terrance
@Terrance Jacob thank you, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :) I appreciate it!
@Isaias Joe Happy to help :)
That small segment felt more authentic than anything I’ve seen in Picard to date.Having no shots on board either ship actually enhanced the drama and eeriness, I felt. Well done.
It is CGI...that could be a video game.
@@pepegalego Like the special effects in almost every new science fiction movie. It's almost all CGI now.
So sad Axanar never got finished.
Did anyone tell that Alec? The Axanar channel looks like they don't know.
Yes.
It was really the only Trek 'Prequel' that did its best to stick to established canon (although yes, they did have Richard Hatch as a 'ridge headed' Klingon, but I was willing to overlook that as 'Rule of Cool' ^_^).
Unfortunately, it truly does seem there were some monetary shenanigans going on behind the scene, but I still feel the real reason CBS/Paramount brought down the 'ban hammer' was because they didn't want any competition/confusion with their own prequel.
Axanar should have finished at the 1st successful kickstarter, and ended there. NOOOO they had to bring us the lawsuit because they were greedy bastards.
@@STAntares No kidding, wasnt part 2 due out by july before covid delayed it?
@@STAntares From what I understand is Alec is shortening the Axanar film from 2 hours to 30 minutes as stated by CBS Star Trek fan film guidelines. The 30 minute Axanar short film will be out 2021 due to Covid-19.
Man oh man, what could have been.
They were fools! This could have been the crown jewel of CBS All Access! 😁🤙
@@trinidadtheislandman4065 - Yeah, but Turf-doms, fiefdoms, and $$ SELFISHNESSES got in the way, THEN came WOKE, and - as it ALWAYS does to ANYTHING it touches - WOKE KILLED CBS S-T.
THIS would have been the IDEAL ANSWER, had they not been blinded by their own selfishnesses, then SPITTING in the faces of their FAN BASE ( which they COULD have expanded on) with "lifestyles", Mary Sue's, etc., and THEN outright COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENTS, all powered by WOKE.
If we can SOMEHOW shed the WOKE, etc., maybe THIS could fill the VOID Piccard was HOPED to band-aid over.
We'll see.
CBS are a bunch of greedy leftist bastard ' s.
That’s a good name
I approve
The thing that strikes me here is the *passion* of the artist - Talking about having fun working for *months* on a single scene, talking about his artistic inspirations and talking about the new things he wanted to bring to the genre. This is the difference between good or competent artist and an *excellent* artist. This is, IMO at least, what modern Trek lacks - Passion. It's a 9-5 job done by people who want their check at the end of the month. They have no love for the art or the franchise and no desire to do anything but tick the boxes identified by marketing.
CBS would have been smart if they'd bought up this script, absorbed the team, finished the show (as an AU special if necessary) and then found some way to use this passion themselves. However, modern corporate entertainment distrusts passion - It may get in the way of profit and pleasing their internal audience (in the entertainment industry) enough to get awards. Which is sad and pretty much everything that is wrong with not just Trek but popular entertainment as a whole.
Very much appreciate you saying so.
Looks like Axanar would have been a really fun film.
That's why they blocked it. Far better than the trash CBS turns out
@@icecold9511 Exactly. Spot on.
Keep a good thought, everyone. It can still happen. Contracts expire. Eventually, maybe in only a year or two, Paramount will be free of Bad Reboot and Hidden Agendoor and that will allow producers who know and care about Star Trek to create.
@@SamSchott1 HOPE so.
Yaaaa if they finished it after their fist kickstarter, not the 3rd one that got them sued by CBS.
Axanar would save Star Trek. CBS should take this up to save the fandom
Forget CBS!
Under the new re-emerge, PARAMOUNT should work, to get Axanar, to save the fandom.... and show the world, what hacks, JJ Abrams and Kurtzman, truly are.
Actually, I think Axanar was the catalyst which fragmented Star Trek.
Not really convinced that Axanar "saved" Trek or Trek fandom at all.
But then again, sometimes a patient is so diseased that something has to be amputated to ensure survival (and a chance for future growth) ... so maybe Axanar will turn as Trek's salvation, in hindsight, in the long run.
@@pwnmeisterage
No....it didnt fragment.
It showed us, that everything that STD producers said was "Outdated" and "Looked bad" and was corrected by STD wasn't! The old styles and designs still worked great.
It showed us, that despite spending millions of dollars an episode, with lens flares and heavy use of camera angles, like those used in 1960's Batman episodes, a simple approach worked better. It showed us, that good writing, over SJW committee compositions, was superior, as well!
Fans loved Trek.
SJW's, don't.
It's as simple as that.
@@pwnmeisterage Axanar was just a bump in the road. Trek had already been gaffes by Enterprise, and JJ Abrams in 3 bad or mediocre films. He and others didn't have the vision or knowledge to turn Trek into a Franchise like the MCU. They took Star Treks Cinematic Universe and promptly threw it away....just like Star Wars.
This is not the Trek CBS wanted us to have. It would have been Trek done right, and they couldn't have Axanar doing that.
This broke my heart. I enjoyed the movie Free Enterprise but it was Axanar that really had me follow RMB.
As a long time star trek fan this would have been dream come true, the effects are awe inspiring its a damn shame that cbs is just too damn greedy to care for it star trek fan base. CBS can learn from you guy on how to do star trek right. This was bitter sweet thank you for sharing this with us.
If you are a long term Star Trek fan, the last thing you should want is this. You think CBS defines greed? Enter Alec Peters, creator of Axanar: Arrogant, deceitful, their.
@@SumDumGy there isnt too many options for trek out there yes he is greedy but lesser evil than cbs. I dont like the things alec peters has done but in the end im here to watch star trek or something close to it.
@latinoguy483, there are a lot of options out there for Star Trek, depending on taste. There are 28 years worth of live series, an animated series, 10 films, a slew of fan film and series passion projects and then everything else made over the last eleven years, depending on what you prefer to watch.
I’d rather there be nothing made at all right now than support anything produced by the camps of Abrams, Kurtznonbinary or Peters. Frankly, I don’t understand why Robert is making these videos in light of how Peters treated him. The purpose of romoting Peters here baffles me.
Why people keep pointing fingers at CBS is beyond me.
@@SumDumGy CBS and TREK = CANCER!!
I can absolutely attest to Tobias almost telepathic ability to read what an artist has in mind. We collaborated on The Enigma Class and despite a minor language barrier we spoke in images better than we could in the written form. He's a true artist. I cherish every bit of his embellishment he contributed to Enigma. Many of the changes I wouldn't have added but now I see as part of the Collab effort. He puts his mark on the design and I think because he's so experienced and talented in his art he knows what you want but he also knows what would be better...It was like Trek was the only language we needed.
This is the movie or the series that should have been made, supported and financed by CBS! It’s because they didn’t want to be shown up by people with more imagination, talent, and skills than those getting paid megabucks to produce the crap like Discovery!! Axanar had depth as a story, a SOLID cast and crew, and a storyline that was literally a bridge between Enterprise and the original series! This was a feature that needs to be finished and unhampered by CBS! But we are talking if CBS was logical and wanted to do the right thing! This series did on a fraction of the budget CBS had, and bought a story that gripped fans around the world and wanting more! Yet CBS wants to squash this as hard as they can, which make us fans beyond furious!
I would've found Axanar fun, I am 18 and grew up on Star Trek, thanks for keeping the fandom a float.
I haven't seen Starship Combat sequences as good since that whole Star Trek Motion Pictures 1-3. Not just the ship combat but combined with cinematic score and also the unfinished acting sequences. Its really too bad CBS couldn't learn a thing or two from people with great idea's. An interesting contrast is that Axanar had the great idea's and storyline but not the full budget as compared to CBS who lacks the ideas and storyline.
There has never been something an entertainment company has ever done that has made me this furious. Regardless of that though, I commend you for speaking without any anger but with the passion you had when you envisioned this project. Thank you for these beautiful shots and breakdown
Make the movie. Break it up into documentaries like this fans can edit it back into a film.
That's not such a crazy idea. Make it so.
Axanar: The Maquis Run Fan Edit...
It was going to be an 'Old Trek' story. It really had an 'Enterprise' era feel to it.
Beautifully rendered👍🏻💐 It’s a crime that the Powers that Be don’t put this level of caring, interest and effort into the franchise anymore. You’re a credit to fans everywhere. I’m really disappointed with the the owners of the franchise. The day they forcibly removed the fan-made Enterprise D virtual tour, was the day I gave up any future franchise shows....that virtual look inside the ship was the digital equivalent of the Mona Lisa...How many human-hours went into that, how much thought and consideration to go deck by deck to create that masterpiece..and to have it just ripped away is unforgivable. This movie we’ll never get, falls into that category for me...an absolute masterpiece, ignored by studios. Even though those idiots didn’t take to it, the fans appreciate your hard work.
That was a beautiful sequence. I especially loved the emotional impact that the music added to the scene. That would be a great way to begin a movie. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Beautiful. That’s the Star Trek we like
Just those shots plainly show that Axanar would have made the entirety of Kurtzmantrek look like amateur fanfic. Heh even as is, it actually does. No wonder CBS shot it down and with it every hope of seeing anything like this labor of love from true fans.
Getting your inspiration from 2001/2010 A Space Odyssey, STTMP and Alien is the right way to go. It is very telling how this would have made Star Trek goes the next step in visuals without looking like Star Wars and at the same time still in continuity with Classic Trek; neither pew pew plane dogfights nor seagoing protacted warfare with obvious tactical elements, making the battle a story of it's own within the story.
Kudos to you Sir. You restore faith in Trek fans that there are people out there still true to the vision and yet able to boldly bring it forward.
@@kruleworld Well he is on record stating two things:
1- He is not a fan of Star Trek and never watched it. (stated during an interview about Abrams 09 movie)
2- He does not care about Star Trek but about using Star Trek as a platform for his socio-political agenda. (stated during Comicon Star Trek panel this year)
On a side note, he was hired and offered what seem to be an insane 5 years contract of lordship over all things Trek by Les Moonves, the former CBS CEO who is on record as not liking sci-fi, cannot even tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars, and the one who pulled the plug on ENT in 2005 when it was actually improving and still had solid ratings.
Kurtzman is also the business partner of J. J. Abrams who is only interested in the merchandizing side of Star Trek (also one on record as not liking or watching or even understanding Star Trek and wanted to dumb it down for those like him). As Abrams failed to force CBS in stopping merchandizing of classic Trek to better push his own failing one, Kurtzman is obviously working at erasing classic Trek so as to leave only his own for merchandizing purposes; hence why they went for a prequel with their very first show, with visuals totally disconnected with Star Trek, and again doing so with their next planned one Strange New Worlds.
His production team also is on record this year saying Star Trek Picard was a deliberate effort to deconstruct the character of Picard and his TNG legacy. Lower Decks is currently doing the same effort with TNG in particular and the whole of Star Trek canon as well, flooding asinine references to it while showcasing characters, behaviors and situations completely anti-trek.
He may not get it, but one thing he does get is that he must do anything BUT Star Trek with his Trek rip-offs to achieve his goals.
@@odojang Kurtzman seems to be a classic case of getting the job because of who you know. If he had to operate on the premise that most of the rest of us do in day-to-day life, like "What have you done for me lately", he'd have been exposed and dropped pretty quick.
Number 2, dunno what the studio execs were thinking, imagining that they wouldn't lose mountains of money on the nonsense that's being produced today. Don't they have focus and research groups and all that other fun stuff to help them decide what they make? Did some group actually come back with the response that audiences would just *LOVE* a sci-fi series heavy with social justice issues and virtue signaling? Horrendous decision making.
@@michaelplatts8052 Well for one thing, people with an agenda always think what they believe is right, that everyone would and should agree with them. If they don't, it must be shoved down their throats... or reject them utterly if they still dissent.
They did indeed have focus groups and test audiences. Each time they were told what they did was utter garbage. The merchandizing companies dropped them, unable to sell anything from it, because it was garbage. Fans and audience's abysmal ratings and scathing comments proved that it was garbage. Distributors rejected their new projects and opted out of their contracts with them, because it was garbage. Even the streaming service they served as the flagship of, failed and disappeared, further proof it was garbage.
Why do they persist in making that garbage then? Answer is above.
But also, we must not forget the main actors in this disaster:
1- CBS didn't create Star Trek (NBC did), never knew what to do with it (or care). Only the (before Kurtzman) very lucrative merchandizing mattered to them. To get more money out of an IP they didn't use, they came up with the ''alternate licence'' for Abrams' own STINOs (Star Trek In Name Only) Kurtzman is using to disfigure Star Trek and legally kidnap it.
2- J. J. Abrams stated that he never watched Star Trek and never liked it because he never could understand it. So he opted to dumb it down and turn it into his demo reel to pitch for his self-professed true love, Star Wars (we saw what he did with his ''true love'' afterwards). Abrams cared only for this and for the merchandizing. As his merchandizing stint totally failed, he moved on right after the first film (he was forced by contract to make the 2nd one and to produce the 3rd). But he left in his wake lucrative pop-corn flicks (because fan attrition) that made people beleive his starwarshy style and dumb kid storytelling was ''Nu Trek.''
3- Enter his screenwriter for these STINOs, Alex Kurtzman, who stated he also never liked or watched Star Trek, as proven by his moronic screenplays of Abrams first two movies. He is also the man who killed the Transformer franchise, the Sony Spider-Man franchise and the Universal Monsterverse with his incompetence as a writer and producer. This year, he stated at Comicon that he does not want to promote Star Trek but use Star Trek as a platform to promote his politics.
4- How come then did he manage to kidnap Star Trek? Enter Les Moonves, former CEO of CBS, notorious for 2 things (beside his current legal problems that ousted him from his job); he hates sci-fi, to the point of not even being able to tell Star Trek from Star Wars; he terminated ENT on it's 4th season when it still had decent viewership and was improving. He found in Kurtzman a kindred spirit (hence ousting Brian Fuller, true Trek veteran and fan) and gave him an iron-clad 5 years contract of total control over all things Trek.
The circle of Hell is now complete. And we, Trek fans, and Star Trek itself, are trapped in it ever since.
I had heard of Axanar but never seen any of it - I am utterly blown away. Instead of this we get Picard and Disco. This is real Star Trek; such a shame it had to get cancelled.
Beautifully done and far outstrips the $400 million of bad Star Trek we have been given by CBS...
Just blows it away!
Apart from the music in (silent) space, I like what you did. I remember the SaveTrek campaign in the mid 1990s, mostly on Geocities sites (LOL). People were annoyed at DS9 being a soap opera. Producers seemed to see the franchise as a cash cow, most people didn't care about the Star Trek Universe they just wanted an entertaining show to watch every week. A few dedicated fans were adamant that it ought to stay on track but they were outnumbered. I for one was annoyed when for ST:TMP they jumbled the galaxy map, it no longer looked like the one in the original series and its Technical Manual. Paramount had jettisoned its relationship with the Amarillo Design Bureau. 99% of people didn't care. Similar to when the Jackson LOTR movie deals were made, I.C.E. lost its ability to publish Middle Earth modules which were very well made. Money money money. Tolkien probably would not have approved.
@@PatriceBoivin Funny never thought of DS9 as being anything like a soap opera and man it towers above any ST were are getting now, except for some fan films which have more passion for ST than CBS!
@@PatriceBoivin I always liked DS9. Does anyone remember the april fools day gags on the old official star trek website?
Around 2003 or 04 they wrote a great april fools day headline news article about how deep space nine was going be brought back to air alongside Enterprise. but it had been retooled as a soap opera, called "as the wormhole turns."
I thought it was pretty funny. They said the end of season 1 cliff hanger would be that they would use "the orb of time" as a plot device for the series to cross over with the long running soap opera "as the world turns" and that the entire cast of "as the world turns" would be recurring characters in season 2.
I thought that was a pretty funny way of responding to the "soap opera" criticism.
There was a commercial right before the final cut and it was for all access and discracery ahahahaha fing kurtzman fing cbs
Since THIS is way more Star Trek, and Canon, than ST Discovery, it should be a movie
That's spectacular! It's kinda neat with no live action interior shots... my imagination is free to fill in the blanks... to write my own scene. Garth decisively giving orders, while simultaneously trying to hail the Klingons and cease hostilities... and Kang hearing Garth's hails, yet so bloodthirsty, that he pursues Garth to their own doom. AWESOME.
I grew up watching TOS. I was 3 year old in 1975 watching the reruns with my Mother and sister that watched it in the 60's. I was a Star Trek fan from that point on. As my progress of my love for Trek grew, I played FASA Starfleet Battles and the Four Years War. I was excited seeing what you were trying to bring to Trek fans. Thank you for being you and as you would say "We park our shuttles in the same shuttle bay".
Just a beautiful sequence! Top notch CGI, love the full use of the Z axis and the way the camera POV moves freely around the ships. The Klingon hymn turned out so well! Thank you, and everyone so very much!
Great inside-infos you gave us... Loved the Klingon Hymn there! :)
It's a shame what CBS and Viacom have done to the franchise, especially the Fan Films and Series.
What they gave us in exchange ( STD and StarTP) wasn't even CLOSE to StarTrek.
CBS gave us an STD..enuff said!! :)
Star Trek The Motion Picture is also one of my favorites. It's like an AI having a DMT trip. The Motion Picture pacing (hindsight probably not best approach) and Khan inspired my feature film "Salvaging Outer Space". I am currently making a feature film "TECHnically ALIVE", where a woman gets quantum teleported across the universe and ends up on a machine world, with a few homages to TMP, while merging Tron & classic Transformers, teaser on my channel. Watched your Critical Drinker TMP discussion and LOVE "Free Enterprise", so thank you for that. No Tears For Caesar!
Dang it, the forbidden fruit that we never got.
Dude. You are one of the most creative people I have seen. Don't listen to people who don't understand Star Trek. You are a genius. This video lacked music during the sequences and I JUST learned how important that is to the completed product. I have gained new respect for the creative process. Thank you.
This looks fantastic!! We could've had this greatness instead of bad reboot. Damn.
It's always fun to listen to people who have an obvious passion for the work they do ..this guy ..you can hear the smiles in his face .
Looked fantastic guys ..I would hire you in a heart beat!
The gas giant fight reminds me of the encounter between the original White Star with the Shadow battle crab.
You are awarded Cool Points for the Babylon 5 reference. I was reminded of that as well. Yet this is unique enough to stand on its own.
Instead CBS squashed this and we got Discovery 🙄
YAY !!! [sarcasm emphasized].
With worse visual effects...
This is so much better than CBS. I am more excited by this coming out than anything CBS has.
Only Babylon 5 actually used this level of creativity so that you felt you were in a three-dimensional space! Brilliant work, absolutely brilliant!
In my novel "Axanar: The Destroyers" I have the "Klunkers" Operating in Triads. 3 Ship formations with a D Series in the lead and a BOP or Raptor on the flanks. D-6's can also use older D-4 and D-5's as support ships. The Starfleet Destroyers end up copying the Triad formation and use the "Thatch Weave" To compensate for the Destroyers weak shields
I'm so glad that Richard got to hear this heart rending hymn. This does explain why I feel so passionate about giving Kharn justice. He was fighting to defend his people, their honor, their rights and dignity. The greedy humans had taken Klingon territory like spoiled brats. Brazenly grabbing up Klingon planets like candy. With no regard for the consequences of taking what wasn't free for the taking.
Is it any wonder that the Klingon empire , a people who had a fierce belief in honor, keeping your word, obeying the law, loving your family.....is it any wonder that they rose up in fury when after repeated warnings the humans refused to return the stolen planets? The Klingons were simply trying to take back what was THEIRS.
I would have followed Kharn into battle with a song in my heart.
Nice work, felt more like Star Trek should be not the Star Trek we have now.
It's criminal that they weren't allowed to finish this. Fantastic stuff.
Prelude was, arguably, the best Star Trek that I've ever seen...
It's heartbreaking that we never got this as a result of the sort of people who will never appreciate what Star Trek was supposed to mean.
This is just breathtaking... poetic and simply beautiful.
You were making real Star Trek that people would want to see. The people making garbage like STD could never tolerate that.
The way you talk about your craft is genuinely touching and inspiring. So much thought and care went into these sequences.
Thank you for sharing.
100x better than discovery, and I'm not even mentioning lower decks :(
ok, that last 5 minutes almost made me cry. This is the Trek i want. Everything about that was perfect.
so much more Star Trek in this unaired/unfinished sequence than in the latest two pretend star trek series combined (you know which ones i'm talking about)
I love the dynamic movement of the starships - flying as you said, on multiple axis in a way that a starship would when it had no restrictions on how it could move or where it could go, and moving in erratic, non-linear paths very much like the same maneuver convoys had to throw off the targeting of ships by U-boat packs. The other Trek shows tended to always use some kind of flat surface to fight, with only very limited times where it tended to show us a more 3D battlefield (I'm thinking about the Federation fleet engaging with Borg attack on the Sol system in First Contact, some battle scenes in the Dominion war arc in DS9, and some Voyager/Enterprise scenes where ships perform 3D maneuvers, to name just a few examples).
Also, the choice of having multiple different ships for the Klingon fleet also makes more sense, because if it was a very small fleet, having the same kind of unit would make more sense, while having a mix in the fleet in any attack would work better, as you would have ships with specialized abilities that could carry out very specific tasks or carry very specific gear, like ECM for example (jammers), or better sensor arrays, or serving as C&C platforms from a difference.
The crushing scene - I don't know how to feel about that. We know Klingon ships had battle armor plating of a kind that made them pretty tough, even if you don't count the shielding (that would have been disrupted in a gas giant (if the script called for it ) ). Also, for the "crushing effect" to work, having the ship simply break up wouldn't make any sense, because the crushing effect would continue even when structural flaws or weak points on the Klingon ship finally gave in. In effect, using the crushing effect would have posed the problem on what was the "end result" of that special effect. I would say that would have been the most difficult effect to work out how to end because you'd either have to show the ship fragments being crushed down to almost nothing, or simply cut away after the ship starts breaking apart. :/
I admit I wept a little knowing that this film will never be made whole.
the passion the team had for this project, the vision shown on display, the depth of the axanar story, this is the trek us fans screamed out for! CBS are very short sighted and obviously put out inferior projects in comparison. If they had the sense, they should have approached you guys and either funded the project under their banner so you can get the full film done and show it on their platform (lesser of two evils?) or brought the team in to assist with realigning the flops that were disco and picard into stories worthy of the canon.
this is both a fantastic showing of what you guys created and a huge huge shame that it was not completed in all it's glory. its a trek masterpiece!!
So cool, thanks Bobby
Thank you for sharing this. Makes me so sad we will never see the full film. You guys did the impossible. This is the greatest battle in all of Star Trek!!
"That Model T you're building the whole car show around is a fine automobile...but I've got this Ferrari concept car I'd like to enter..."
"Sorry. We're not accepting any more entries at this time."
"But...people are already crowding around my car and..."
"NEIN!...VERBOTEN!..NYET!"
"Ohhh...you don't want my car making your car look..."
"SECURITY!"
These scenes and your insights clearly show what a true visionary Director you are with a top notch team of animators.Your very much reminesant of KUBRICK and other greats and the scenes you describe from 2001 and 2010 are some of my favorites too ! STAR TREK needs your talent and passion to survive and Im sure many of the major studios will be lining up to try to contract your services.And when your name is mentioned along side greats like KUBRICK,SPIELBERG,CAMERAON,ect,You will be able to choose whatever film ya want to do.Please return to STAR TREK !!!
Could've, Would've, Shoulda.
What would the Klingons do?
Something Stupid, and then they'd get themselves Killed.
This kills me watching this. I saw this when this originally dropped, but hearing your description of the approach you were taking makes my heart ache. Everything that Axanar WAS SUPPOSED TO BE or should have been is how I picture Star Trek should be presented. You nailed it Rob!
This should have been made period. Now as to the rest, how close have we been to Axanar over a half decade now. He's constantly selling merch on the hope of getting this done. He screwed up with CBS and it's cost all of us. Granted at the time Les Moonves was a piece of work to. He didn't do any of the fans a favor in combating them. The pitch should have been is Yes we are building a permanent set. Only to be used for these productions. Why don't you join us in making this right. He could have given them a cut and probably gotten it done. What's that saying pride comes before the fall. I think we have a prime example of that here.
Incredibly Well Done! Glad this has been brought to light so that us fans can see what might have been. What SHOULD have been allowed!
Such a shame we never got this all togther as a film. Damn you CBS for putting a stop it AXANAR!
Cbs never stopped it. Not even once Alec could of finished it he stalled it until they were out of money.
Damn you Axanar for breaking copyright law and trying to make $$ off something you don't own!
Absolutely fantastic...extraordinarily beautiful and just so damn much fun!
I really wanted to see this film made. They sued and stopped it only for themselves to produce garbage.
Actual Garbage.......a hot stinking mass of shit from Discovery to Picard
@@emknight84 Pike saved the second season, sort of... Let's hope that the new Pike series is worth it.
More thought, care, and respect put into the work that this 21 minute video represents than we have seen since the Jar-Jar-Verse began. For shame, CBS. Such a wasted opportunity.
The fact the star trek is dying on CBS maybe they should PAY you to make this film for them.
This looks absolutely amazing! It makes me profoundly sad to know that we will never see this in a final form. This would have been so much better than what CBS and Paramount have put in our face lately.
Let's hope the powers that be will eventually extract their craniums from their exhaust ports and sign you and the creators of Axanar to make this a mini-series or feature film. You could make a great Start Trek series/film on a decent budget that isn't over-produced or agenda-driven. They'd make bank and begin a new golden age of Star Trek.
That Klingon Hymn is beautiful. Bravo!!!
This is badass
Recently found Axanar on line. Truly awesome. So much has been added . More episodes etc . Really good writing. No idea why paramount doesn’t;t hirer these guys!
Watching this gives me an urge to fire up my email client and write some hate mail to CBS. But then I figured, who of any importance would ever read it? Some nameless clerk would read the first line and delete it, so why waste my time.
I just think with their corporate culture they just don't get it. I remember reading something about the start of the Discovery series and after some show sequences how they forgot to add the ranking strips to the officers sleeves which had to be CGi back in which just shows their mindset. They may own the name but lack the vision and understanding of the Star Trek culture.
I truly believe that had this project been allowed to see full completion,it would have rivaled and in MANY ways outshined discovery...the show that they were afraid axanar would have outdone. Bloody shame this was not allowed to see the life it deserved. Part of me is still hoping that if the rights to star trek can ever finally be under one roof,those that have it will have the heart to allow axanar to be completed.
Just think what CBS All Access might be like today if they had embraced the fan film community and made arrangements to bring some of the best fan films -- including Axanar -- into the fold instead of producing and disseminating Kurtzman Drek. If they had tried to cooperate with Peters, Mignona, et al and celebrate the 50th Anniversary with Axanar, Star Trek Continues, etc.?
This was....I'm speechless what VISION and it has my eyes watering BEAUTIFUL BROTHER maybe One Day You will be able to complete it for Us FANS...✊✊✊✊✊
Pity, it looks like it would have been a much better show than what we received in the show discovery
Incredible work! So much talent!
That is cool, such a shame, I am sorry. CBS killed the Stage 9 project too. In return they have only given us crap. Fracken suits!
Elegant and elegiac. We have part works, sketchs, and unfinished works from the likes of Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Rembrant that still stand out even though not fully fleshed. This was of that nature for me.
I've just gotten off re-watching 'First Frontier' to come here. I don't know which is John or which is Mark between the two but just as those were very different takes on Jesus, both of those were Canonical Gospel.
Who designed 'Ares'? Externally that has to be my favourite Trek Starship design.
Well done! Better to have fought and lost, than to have never fought at all. Excelsior! LLAP.
this looks really good
Robert, this left me with shivers and tears . . . shivers and tears. Thank you.
Star Trek 's current "owners", an example of low skill, poor creativity, privileged, vested, big money kids running the ship to crush depth.
In a nutshell.... you nailed it.
Beautiful. Maybe they will relent in the future. Thank you for sharing this and the process. love the kligon hymn. For the pleasure it's given none of your's or anyone's effort has been wasted.
I blame this project for future fan films that will never be made and for Star Trek Continues being killed because of the precedent it set. I don’t mind the project but how it was made is my issue.
Prelude to Axanar was better than anything Discovery or Picard did, in terms of feeling like Trek and general quality of storytelling.
FAN FILMS ARE THE ONLY GOOD TREK ON THE SCREEN TODAY.
it seriously hurts my feelings things are the way they are. What a labor of love. I really hope one day we get to see this story told as it should be.
One decent Star Trek possibility in two decades and, ofcourse, we get STD (pun intended) instead.
THIS is 'TREK' PERFECTION!!! CBS and Paramount are DESTROYING what we all LOVE so MUCH!!!
AXANAR LIVES!!!
But... But... There's no thousands of phaser shots flying around! There's no thousands of explosions! There's no zillion fighters and shuttles whizzing about! And there's no magic rotating mushroom drive! Everything is so clear to follow and so tension filled instead of chaos everywhere in every shot! No one would ever have liked this at all!!!!
man, seeing all this work not getting to resolve just makes me sad.
but at the same time, i am happy, happy that there are people out there, who think star trek and also think differently. take the best of all the sci fi that you can imagine and put it together in a way, that isnt just "rip off". instead it becomes omage, the highest form of respect to a francise that i can think of.
we got star wars, we got 2001, we got BSG. just beautiful
maybe some day...some day we will get this.
"so say we all"
12:17 yeah also gas giant creatures would have diverted the attention away from the chase.
the music reminds me of Battle Star Galactica, not a bad thing.
It's in the frackin' ship!
@@TalesOfWar it's not a ripoff of Bear McCreary's music but a nod to his battlestar work. "it's in the frackin' ship!"
that's why in my opinion this is not as "trekky" as people think. Many here are just downplaying a show like Discovery and then they are happy to fully embrace a war story like this one.
@@matteodemattia what? you can't "down play" crap! I'm sitting here for ten minutes trying to figure out how to respond without being insulting, it took longer and I can't. you might be a fan of discovery but it's obvious you are not a fan of Star Trek or Axanar, that's cool, you do you, but swimming against the current by defending discovery is not gonna make you edgy it makes you argumentative. Star Trek is an idea and it's ideas can take many forms while still be Trek at it's heart, discovery doesn't have that, it has been completely reworked by petulant directors and producers that said "we are the future so deal with it" and then they targeted petulant fans that will ensure its demise.
Just heartbroken Axanar was never finished. Thank you for sharing this.
I really wish you effects guys would depict maneuvering and fighting at warp speed as described in the original series instead of relegating warp to the Star Wars sequel sub light battles
It is established in ST that you can only travel in straight lines at warp speed. To change direction, you have to drop out of warp. So, you can't fight or maneuver in warp. Your weapon fire would have to travel faster than you to hit a target either ahead of you or alongside of you. You could fire weapons at a ship behind you, I suppose. This is the reason the BlackBird was an unarmed spy plane. If it had guns, it would shoot itself down. (Tom Paris, in Voyager says "Faster than light, no left or right" when mentioning that you can't turn in warp)
@@dougwhiddon8227 Your example (while it did happen) is contradicted by many examples from a multitude of episodes from the Original Series to TNG to Ds9 to Enterprise in which course corrections are often made at Warp without slowing. We even see it in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as the rickety Bird of Prey circles the sun at high warp. Voyager itself contradicts your suggestion as even the Kazon are shown attacking Voyager at Warp and maneuvering around her. Likewise, the Borg maneuver into the path of an attacking 8472 ship while both are at warp.
All these things show that line by Tom Paris to be a canon outlier and not the standard. Maneuvering and fighting at warp are not only possible, but displayed across the Trek canon. Perhaps you are thinking of ship maneuvering and space combat in Star Wars?
doug whiddon voyager is riddled with erroneous shit. No it’s not established. There are countless times when TOS fights and maneuvers at warp. I can site multiple examples I can’t tell you how wrong you are about this Warp is not a jump drive or hyper space drive it’s a real spacetime drive! In Star Trek two the wrath of khan Savik orders the helmsman to “project a parabolic course to avoid entering the neutral zone.” Parabolic key word. Just because new special effects need to keep the both ships in the picture frame does not mean they are not maneuvering at warp. In the “Ellan of Troyius” the Enterprise’ warp capability is disabled and is being attacked by the Klingon aggressor at warp. As soon as Scotty restores warp power Kirk says to go to warp speed and to get them out of the solar system because he needs maneuver room. In The ultimate computer the war games are conducted at warp with multiple course changes. There are many more. But I would belabor my point. If your going to talk back at least know what your talking about
Ryan Alderfer thank you for knowing what your talking about!
@@LancetFencingI love starship combat in scifi and Star Trek ship combat in particular. I don't favor how it has been handled post-Enterprise, but I love RBM and Tobias Richter's collaboration here. He manages to make the ships feel large, but still agile and graceful. Hahah, one of my two gripes of this clip is all those disruptor blasts that miss as the Klingon's are pursuing the Aries outside the gas giant's atmosphere. That's a lot of misses for Trek ships at that range. Klingons don't miss (often).
My other gripe is the FX used for the Klingon ship while it is traveling at warp. I'm just not a fan of the "hyperspace tunnel" effect, even if it is subtle. I prefer the rainbow energized particles (starlines) streaming past the ship's warp field, though it isn't scientifically accurate so far as we know. Just a continuity thing.
On the whole, I love this work and can't wait to see the other vids in this series.
I mourn for this project, I absoultely love the way the ships look in and out of combat, and the scenery is gorgeous. Thank you for showing us these extra scenes that weren't shown in the Prelude, they're all fantastic. The dedication towards making space combat realistic is so great to see, its a real shame some of the scenes were unfinished.
Seeing what was possible and what Trek has become makes me sad.
Star Wars has gone down the same road. Then Terminator, Ghostbusters, Alien franchise, the DCU was DOA (save for a couple good movies), MCU soon to follow now that they've replaced all the main characters with female leads... it's going to get much, much worse. The latest Star Wars game is supposed to be all female leads and all the Empire baddies are white males. The next Star Wars trilogy is supposed to be all "minority lead" with no "war" in Star Wars. All we can hope is that they just let these franchises die instead of keeping them on life support while they writhe in pain, begging to be released.
What a wonderful segment and well done. Thank you for doing this!!!!
Maybe if you had some main characters crying in multiple scenes, CBS would have let you all finish the movie.
Yes makes sense, an episode about how Burnham weeps, shouts and plans a mutiny because her replicated eggs taste funny.
Next episode we spend half of the episode recaping the previous episode only to go over it again from the other characters point of view each crying at some point often with no explanation.
Finally it all culminates on a third recap episode where we only see the crying bits then have a jarring cut where they are all at the bridge. They declare mutiny for one minute, then ban together to exterminate a few friendly species, only to break down and cry again because their uniforms make them look fat.
If they did that, I'm sure CBS would approve
@@cachos-story-lab Expect to get a call from the show runner asking you for a script.
OUTSTANDING this would make a great movie definitely. Moving to a three dimensional View for the combat in space. With the spacecraft approaching from any direction and the way you presented is truly novel this is a real tree thank you very much. Oh yeah I hope and pray you get to make the movie you've got a good solid base.
why cant CBS do this oh yea i forgot they dont care about star trek just money
CBS is too busy being politically correct and greedy and in the process destroys a good thing.
I'm not entirely sure they care about money either... the trash being passed off as Star Trek these days is actually losing them tons of money. If they cared about money, they'd ditch that hack Kurtzman, and put someone in charge of Trek, who actually knows wtf they're doing... They'd also do a lot to repair their relationship with the fans, if they ditched those idiotic fan film rules, so that fans could continue telling stories, thus sustaining interest in the brand.
Apparently they don't even care about money since they continue to fund the garbage that has lost them viewers and fans and fight the films that fans actually like.
If they actually wanted money, the right way to have gone about making it was to get in league with the fans and allow for independent productions to flourish (with underwritten financing as necessary). But they were so possessed with doing something *new* and *different* with the Star Trek brand in order to make a name for themselves that they completely blew it. And now are so far gone that all they can do is look around in a sort of daze and say, "Gee, now what?" The answer is fan films, nitwits! Why not stop trying to be *woke* and start letting people who know what they're doing provide you with the good stuff - since you haven't got a clue as to what the good stuff really is?
They have to find a way to get out of the contract the former head of CBS gave Kurtzman without losing their shirts before they can start to correct the damage he has wrought.