The 'FASA-Trek' Four Years WAR Explanation & Breakdown! Part 1 of 2!
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- The first written rendition of the Federation vs Klingon War that happened in the 23’rd cetury by FASA corp, the writers of the original Star Trek - The Role Playing Game; written in 1986!
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This is what the Axanar fan film, and perhaps Star Trek Discovery, tooks a lot of inspiration from. This analysis and breakdown explains the setup of that terrible war, a very thorough and consistent story that fits well into what was known about Star Trek in the 80’s.
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@Elian Milan why
Have none of you learned about the honor that is part of Starfleet? Have none of you understood how creepy it is as humans in this day and age as humans to do what you just described?
Love this video. I most have watched this around 10 times and part two. Thank you.
The FASA canon could easily have been adapted to fit within established canon while still telling a god story. Prelude to Axanar did a marvelous job but unfortunately the people currently at the helm of the franchise lack the same passion for the series.
Orion.. I'm almost forced to agree.. It would seem, bad budgets, bad planning, and inaccurate story adaptation, might set back the 'alternate' Axanar story... If of course this adaptation, vs the other alternate would be part of "Q" plots of entertainment.. lol I would surmise, the various versions of AXANAR would explain its positions.. The 'other' AXANAR has the Vulcan's severing ties with the Federation's expanse efforts and actor Richard Hatch "Kharn" passed away.. If the 1986 story line is more canon than the rival story line, Temporal Authority and Section 31 would each have a bit of historical / accurate time lines. Remember, Most Space Agencies since Captain Archer, developed it's own hidden branch of operations according to the Charter. Which timeline / story plot is correct? The Universe May Never Know.. ;)
FASA was famous for their good storytelling.
And their tabletop ST Tactical Combat simulator was and still is awesome. I appreciate your coverage of this.
I don’t know much about the FASA stuff, but this video was super cool (and reminds me of Discovery S1). Was the tactical combat game a more complicated affair? It looked that way when I first saw it.
@@comchia4306 It was not easy. You had to distribute energy to movement, weapons, and the 6 shields facings each round. Different systems had diffewrent ratios. It was indeed quite tactical as you had to consider different firing arcs of your and your opponent's ships.
For example, it was quite feasible to only power up the three frontal shields to free up energy for weapons and movement. Klingon ships had an aft-mounted torpedo. So you could put most of your energy into movement during the start of the battle zip past the Federation ship and shot up a torpedo up their unprotected stern, Of course, the Federation player might expect exactly that have his aft shield powered up.
It was quite a mind game. Not easy not fast but still great fun.
@@petrameyer1121 You're right. It was worlds way from the 'plug and play' approach to games today. A player actually had to read, study and analyze to be successful. A much more personalized and challenging format. Felt more like Trek too lol. You forgot to mention that you could also integrate the RPG characters into the simulator. I have run players through battles from their positions on the bridge of a ship, and that was in the days before PC's could do much of anything useful to n RPG. One of my favorite presentations was a ship to ship encounter followed by a landing party mission. I managed to hook a few souls with that approach. I'm now getting ready to try out the new Star Trek Adventures game but it's so nice to see FASA's stuff remembered and appreciated.
Their ship design was sometimes paused (mismatched scaling, etc) But there was always interesting stuff in there.
@@comchia4306 interplays starfleet command 1 and 2 was a solidly faithful adaption of the fasa battles, naturally many aspects were left out because, well, interplay made the choice to remove several complex aspects to further the game towards more actual action.
The combat was very playerskill dependant, as power management is as important here as it is in Fasa simulator.
my ooint beinf: starfleet command is a good taste of this sort of thing.
You will understand if you succeed in your first saber dance, or plasma rush...., or a mizia strafe....
Good to see FASA getting it's dues
I’ve always thought the FASA 4 years war should’ve been canon! Well done sir I’ve been waiting for this!
AXANAR IS GO😂
It seemed like canon back in the day. It was all we had, aside from reruns and the novels.
Some of us still consider it canon
Parts will fit easier than others. Funny that Discovery can't even USE Garth now, as 1. they ended the war. 2. Axanar occurred before Kirk graduated academy.
It was canon at the time. Roddenberry kept giving and taking away canon depending on his mood. TAS has gone back and forth also.
But remember, this was when Star Trek was all but dead. Nothing was on TV and only a couple movies.
This company lost its license when they tried to make supplements that was TNG.
And to think I used to have EVERYTHING they published, and lost it all in a basement flood.
I loved the Fasa tabletop Starship Simulator Boardgame back in the day. Designing ships for it was fun, and even better testing them out against friends. Great system.
My favorite was a modified Locknar ship. Lots of maneuverability and lots of photon torpedoes.
@@kenduncan3221 I was partial to a modified Bird of Prey with fore and aft torpedo launchers. That aft launcher saved my bacon on more than one occasion including one where my buddy decloaked directly aft of my ship stern to stern... and he didn’t have aft torpedoes. He was pissed 😆😆👍
Awesome video. Can't wait for part II. Small correction though - The Four Years War was not an invention of FASA. It was first mentioned in "Star Trek: Spaceflight Chronology", published by Pocket Books in 1980. This is also where the fanon first contact between the Empire and the Federation is listed as a confrontation between the USS Sentry and the IKV Devisor. A lot of FASA's history/timeline was influenced by the Spaceflight Chronology. That's what I loved about FASA actually. It was written by fans who had respect for what came before, even if not official canon, rather than simply write whatever they felt like. They incorporated material from things like the Spaceflight Chronology, the original Star Trek Maps set, the Starfleet Technical Manual and even stuff from articles in TREK magazine. And when they overwrote something from these sources, they usually bent over backwards to explain it (for instance, in the FASAverse, Starbase 1 is at Sol - but in an article on the Romulan War from TREK magazine it lists Starbase 1 as being destroyed by the Romulans. FASA writers made up a story about the vainglorious commander of Deep Space Outpost 1, who had taken to calling his station "Starbase 1" and exclaimed "Starbase 1 has been destroyed!" after the Romulan attack.)And of course, most famously, FASA adopted wholesale the world-building of John M. Ford for the Klingon Empire from his novels "The Final Reflection" and "How Much For Just The Planet?"FASA demonstrated how to treat a long standing property with respect while still telling new and interesting stories.
These a very important points and hopefully i can find a way to bring all that up.
I feel like Axanar has been really open about the story being based on FASA's Four Years War.
I'm 50, and I Role-Played this particular game extensively for Four Years,(heh), as a teenager. FASA fulfilled my, and many other Lifelong Trekker's, needs for an Established-Canon, Star Trek Universe during the rather sparse 1980's Movie Era. The FASA Universe was actually based on the fascinating 1980 book: 'Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology' by Stan and Marta Goldstein. As well as the earlier, 1974-published,: 'Starfleet Technical Manual', by Franz Josef. Many paperback novels, as well as much of Fan Fiction, at that time also used those Early Established Canon sources to flesh out their plots. This Early Canon, in turn, was VERY sadly completely rejected by Paramount at the start of the TNG-era in the late '80's-early 90's. Incidentally, while it is well-done and otherwise very accurate, this simulation depicts Captain Garth's U.S.S. Xenophon as a Saladin-Class destroyer. It was actually depicted on the cover of the F.Y.W. Information Sourcebook as a member of the Marklin-Class, and of an entirely different design.:
I wish FASA-Trek had set the tone for the subsequent series
Then S.T.D. wouldn't be the failure that it is, but what Star Trek was supposed to be.
@@55Quirll No. STD would be a Star Trek-transmitted Disease. in ANY Alternate-Universe!
We begin a new year!!! Enjoy!
AXANAR LIVES!
So Garth really was a military genius. Its a shame then, he goes completely conkers insane after this
Remember, he is the man Kirk idolized.
Explain. I'm curious.
@@sid2112 Garth from Prelude is not an original character. He was first seen in the TOS episode "whom Gods Destroy" as a former captain turned mental patient who takes over his asylum. Also famous as the episode where Kirk is kissed by a green skinned Orion
@@tylerryancoleman oh okay, cool! Thanks. I didn't really get into star trek until TNG and FASA made Shadowrun, which we nerded out on in high school. Which was my impetus for watching.
And Captain Jellico is the best Enterprise captain.
@@sid2112 me too, for the most part but my mum loved TOS and about 30 percent of those episodes are pretty good.
Oh, and sign me up for the lynch mob too because Jellico is the best captain of the Enterprise.
Fantastic! So nice to see this, FASA Trek should never be forgotten. I grew up on FASA trek, was very disappointed when it was ignored and erased. Klingons became little more than moderately intelligent animals instead of the layered and interesting race FASA fleshed out based on John M Ford's novels. FASA Trek is still the only canon for me.
I know it’s one year later, but basically FASA Star Trek was like legends was for Star Wars, but they both are not canon due to dumb producers. As someone who’s getting in to Star Trek a lot this makes me disappointed, but connected knowing something similar happened to fans of both Star Trek and Star Wars.
Finally some credit to the original authors of this story. I still have my copy. Well done
This was so much more fun than Discovery thanks!
We see a lot more development in terms of technology in FASA than we do in canon. Photonic torpedoes were a major mistake, in my opinion. I also liked how the Klingons actually felt like if we had met them before founding the Federation they would have conquered us.
Nice to see an animation based on the RPG I used to play. My memory of the '14' story is different. I had heard that the Federation's first starship commander to visit Axanar was Captain Fortine. Later, A Klingon ship visited the planet. The captain, first officer, one team of six guards and one team of six xeno-biologists (or was it a second group of guards?) beamed down and were asked the "Are you of the 14?" question, to which, after making a quick head count, the captain relied 'Yes." and the Klingons were treated like accepted friends.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Thanks so much! Looking forward to more.
This is great!
My hat’s off to you. I can’t like this vid enough.
I still have my STRPG I bought in the 80s. Still have my STCCG packs (mostly TNG but some TOS as well) plus comics.
Glad to see this vid.
Ij just need to say, those one-engine starfleet ships look ridiculous.
The Saladin Class is very common among starfleet ships in this time, I just wish they had substantially shrunk the Saucer, looks so misplaced there
I agree. On one video, maybe this channel or a similar one, one of the original model designers commented that Rodenberry himself said that nacelles should always be in pairs and that there should be no obstacle between them.
@@christopherblalockfineart3557 ... Yes and I think it should ONLY be "pairs" (2 and only 2)
Stargazer's 4 nacelles were a mistake IMO.
To me the single engine isn't the issue, it's the length of the connecting section.
It’s an acquired taste and a logical design.
At roughly 7 mins it said the klingon border went quiet. Unless its known otherwise the likely explanation for the klingons being busy is that the were launching their tribble extermination offensives. I think it was a large scale offensive by the way the campaign was referred to made it sound that way.
I absolutely LOVE this video, PLEASE keep up the good work!
FASA created a lot of good stuff back in the day.
In some alternate reality this is what Star Trek Discovery was about.
I loved the FASA ST RPG, nice to see it’s remembered. I still have Return and the Four Years War, the SF intelligence sourcebooks..
I played vor
I love the FASA games. My buddies and I used to play them all the time.
Thank you. I really enjoyed this video. I loved FASA's Star Trek the Role Playing Game. Wish people still played.
When we played we were Klingons and i disintegrated Harry Mudd, Kinda messed up the game scenario. Ooops.
If there had been a Lost in Space RPG then EVERY roleplay group would've done same to Dr Smith.... lmao!
RPG group member playing Major West- "John.... Will and Penny are asleep.... operation buhbye Smith is ready, airlock on standby, Let's Do This!"
@@thumperpaul155 imagine if the FASA game was created with the same game engine as the Star Wars Empire at War.
I played the FASA table tip game "Shadowrun" in the 1990s, but had never heard of this. Thank you for posting.
FASA discontinued or lost their license the StarTrek line before they created Shadowrun, so I'm not surprised. ST and "Renegade Legion" (The Roman Empire in Spaaaaccee!! with grav-tanks), never took off as well as BTech.
Great video. Just two minor quibbles. USS Xenophon was a Marklin class (You have it as a Nelson Class Scout) and Bonhome Richard is a Constitution-class. ( You have it as an Anton). Still a super video can't wait for part two
Also, it's not "Bon Hom", it's "Bon Oh Me".
I love the graphics, showing the front lines and areas of control.
Nicely done. I always thought FASA's Four Years War was a great addition.
Man its been 4 months! I apologize everyone for the wait. I shall be putting previews of this in replies here. I'm hoping i can finish within 2 weeks or sooner (probably).
ua-cam.com/video/62a45KLey28/v-deo.html Opening scene preview/battle.
Great video, his really enhanced my history knowledge of the Federation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Good tactics, Garth. He's one master tactician when dealing with Klingons. And it does appear that the Klingon defeat in this war led to them being vassalized by the Romulans really rapidly at that.
"Looooord Garth!"
@@darthroden That's what he called himself in his completely dysfunctional mind.
5:02 "Ray, if somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
Obviously, the USS Yardley did not have Bill Murray in its crew.
Small error:
per pg 6, the Bonaventure Landing Party was led by Colin B. *Fortine* - hence "of the Fortine". The Klingon Landing Party had 14 members (pg 14).
It is just an amazing coincidence - or bad writing - that "fourteen" in Axanari means the same thing as in English.
Woah, it's on page 14?? The discontinuities are freaking me out now.
Synchronicities rather!
@@resurrectedstarships I didn't even catch that. :D
Great video though. I can't wait for part 2.
However, due to an unfortunate miscalculation of scale the entire invasion fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
@@MLB9000 kudos for the hitchhikers reference :)
You make some of the best content about star trek on UA-cam. Keep it up🤗
It’d be nice if some of the #Axanar crew lent their voices to this video, seeing as how it’s basically the genesis of their film’s story. Plus, it’d give your channel some much-needed publicity! 😄
I'm so glad that this exists. The only other place on UA-cam that I've seen FASA Star Trek was on top of one of Red Letter Media bookshelves, but they've never brought it up in their Star Trek discussions. The fusion Klingons is such a fun solution that could have made for some excellent TNG plotlines.
I love watching this over and over again. Not sure if it is because I own the ST:RPG but that might be a factor. 😀
I remember this role playing game quite fondly. I used to own and play it.
Axanar first contact sounds a lot like the season finale of The Orville. I'm sure MacFarlane is familiar w/ FASA/Axanar.
Point : The far away enemies? Maybe Kinshaya, Hur'q, Tzenkethi or Gorn.
Great video, love the four years war stuff from FASA.
"Whatever Klingon war happened"
That's what we say nowadays to refer to pre-TOS UFP-Klingon war.
I look forward to seeing more large-scale fleet reenactments in the future! Keep it up! 😄
4:48 “Captain RAY! If someone asks if you are a god... you say _YES!!!_ ... sir!”
fun fact: the unknown threat turned out to be tholians, around this time the tholians were anixing some Klingon out posts and were sussecfull on taking about 5%-10% of Klingon territory before moving on to other regions
In Starfleet battles it was the Tholians occupying Klingon territory, in "Final Reflection" and FASA the Klingons had a major enemy on their opposite border the "Kinshaya"
I think the Aries class was inspired by the Anton class.
"Ray, when some one ask you if you are a god you say Yes!"
If someone asks you if you are a god oh, and you said yes, even if you are not, unless you were in some kind of a subplot in a science fiction series where you have to Bluff your way through a situation, the only honorable thing is to just say whether you are not for real
we really can't ever expect it to really be such a thing as cannon when it is so many contradictions into many star trek episodes, including fan-made trek, shows, so many different so-called events contrary to the so-called canon.
Even on a No Budget poorly acted fanfilms usually display more respect to "Canon" than Disco or JJ's crap movie trilogy.
(NOT referring to ST Continues, Phase II or Axanar I'm looking at the totally amateur fanfilms)
Yes definitely get part 2 out there. I really enjoyed this. Thumbs up, and shared.
I've watched this two parter at least five times now.
"Is this the end of gulliver's travels"?!
"Tune in next week and see the exciting conclusion"! :P
Looking forward to part 2!!!
I really appreciated FASA getting some love. I still have all my old FASA Trek rpg books.
Good vid i enjoyed that. Nice work man im going to watch part 2 as well
I REALLY enjoyed this!! It was totally worth it. Please keep up the great work!! :-)
Cannot wait to see part 2.
5.3K Thumbs Up + Mine! 👍 You're welcome! Thanks for the fun, digital video recording! 🎬✌️🖖🙏🤓😎🤠
Notes: Hmm. 🤔. I have that, RPG, but I never really got to play it with anyone. One of my college roommates, had that "FASA" game, but not those two particular supplements. But we enjoyed playing his games anyway. Later on, a different friend had, "Starfleet Battles", and we enjoyed it. We tried to do the, RPG, but never got beyond character creation status.
I've sampled some of the fan fiction material, and I see how they would be quite fun for those that made them. But really, the egos of some, are a big turn off, so I ignore them now. Including the, "Axanar", stuff.
I much prefer material such as yours! 🙂
SFB was so tedious to play compared to FASA's ship combat rules.
Finally, I get to know what happened during this war! Thanks!
A great segment ! I can't wait for part II (14 January 2019 1730 hours)
Can't wait for Part 2
That was a really great video i can't wait 2 c part 2
O man I wanted these back when me and my friends got into Battletech around 88 or 89.
I wish they made a proper remake of it with the continuity added from enterprise
This is great! Well done! Many years ago a friend of mine and his girlfriend were working on a story inspired by the FASA universe. It wasn't' the four years war, but it did take inspiration from the idea of a major conflict between Feds and Klinks before the original series.
I'm curious, are those sound effects for the lasers and accelerator cannons taken from the Starfleet Command game? They tickle my brain, but I cant quite place t hem!
Again, well done on this series.
Whoever gives this a thumbs down should be forced to watch STD episode 1 season 1 over and over again until they see the error of their way.
Thumbsdowner: This violates the Seldonis IV Convention!
Section 31 Operative Eckert: I never heard of it!
I still like Discovery, but this is also very cool.
Never even knew there were Role Playing games of Star Trek. Question do you plan on doing an updated CGI version of your videos I would really like to see your fan documentary soon. I know you are busy its just a suggestion. Second question can you consider doing of the Robotech war with the Invid of the Macross saga against the Robotech Masters?
The one thing to remember about Star Trek is that cannon is screen only. Nothing in books or games have ever been considered canon. The animated series is debated however but we wouldn't have some of the races we have today without the animated series so it's more to the person. I know the in the official encyclopedias did not reference the animated series.
Wish the ST books were made Canon.
FASA finally getting respect in star trek lore.
Concur with Matt Bell. Nice presentation on the history. Enjoyed it.
Very nice!!
Cool video! People do forget that we have seen the Axanar in canon in the ENT episode "Fight Or Flight". This is one of the first species that Archer and the NX-01 make first contact with. The Axanar are an intelligent spacefaring race whose ships carry significant firepower and are nothing at all like the FASA version.
Indeed. Something of a retcon there. Also set at Epsilon Eridani near Earth (same system Reach is in in Halo)
Garth of Izar , has a story that just blows your mind. He becomes a legendary captain and gains deity level powers .
Great work. Eagerly awaiting the second part.
This is from when Star Trek was great, and our imagination was UNLIMITED!! Long live all the great adventures in the Golden triangle!
where you been?! Haven't heard from you in a while! WELCOME BACK 😎
Mr Anderson, welcome back we missed you 😎
I had never heard of FASA Trek before this video and now I'm wanting to know more.
Nicely done👍👌💪
Brilliant Video nice to see a real star trek story at last.
One thing that bothered me about Star Trek Discovery take on the Four Years war is the fact that Klingons apparently had Cloaking technology. How is t hat possible when the Romulans were the ones that introduced it in The Original Series and the Klingons didn't get the tech until The Bird of Prey was made?
WELL DONE! cant wait for part 2!
Since most Trek I written in past tense I love the Axanar story line. Garth being a hero of Kirk and his decline make for the classic tragedy.
FASA did a phenomenal job with the Star Trek license and I prefer it to everything since then.
Thank you for your classified battle briefing Commodore or fleet captain....
Great stuff! Makes me want to pull out my fasa stuff n do some gaming :)
FASA ought to be made into a video game, with graphics like these
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Checkout Armada III mod
This is awesome I’m a follower for sure
I loved the FASA games. The RPG and the Tactical Simulator. It's still my favorite 'version" because they followed established story lines whenever possible. In fact, Paramount had to approve of materials before release under the license. Unfortunately, that's also how FASA lost the license. They published and released an officer's manual for TNG before Paramount approved it. I thought from the beginning that '"Prelude To Axanar" was based on the FASA materials and stories from the older Spaceflight Chronology and other materials of the day. Discovery is it's own thing IMHO. Has nothing to do with that canon AFAIK. I really appreciate this re-telling of the story. Maybe eventually, you can look into 'Operation White Flame" and many other FASA based story lines. Until then, I'll be eagerly looking forward to part two. Thanks again.
Wow, amazing vid, well worth the wait! 😀
But wait a minute, Starfleet only had mass drivers and lasers? No missiles? This is some sad sad armament 😀. No wonder why the Klingons felt confident.
Did the Klingons have missiles at that point in the FASA universe?
@@lexington476 Actually no. In FASA lore they mostly had disrupters; there is some mention that they may have had a drone weapon like a missile somewhere. The Feds invent photons first, then the klingons some years later; they had some help from romulan plasma designs too though. You might say that roms and klings invented their version of photons in tandem collaboration, and in response to Starfleet's apparent ability to kick ass. But Kling weapons were ahead in the war.
Not so like SF Battles then...
@@chrissonofpear1384 _Star Fleet Battles_ added drones to the Klingons (and thence spread them around their universe) because when they were designing the game there was a very nifty blueprint for the D7 making the rounds at cons that they used as the basis for the D7 in their game; that's why their D7 has phasers studding the hull and drone launchers in its shuttle bay on top of the disruptors it actually used on the show.
Garth:
It'd have been impossible to get past censors during Vietnam and maybe even 1986 was too soon for a ret-con, but I sometimes wonder if Garth suffered PTSD.
Garth was an explorer. He didn't sign up for four years of blood. We know from TOS he was severely injured presumably late in the war as aliens taught him to rebuild his body.
Suppose the stress of his pain, seeing friends die and the horrors of war get to him. No canonical Betazed counselors in the pre TOS Era. Star Fleet gives him a low pressure job at the Academy to sort things out. This is when Kirk studies his tactics as a cadet.
But it's only getting worse. His temper and tolerance are deteriorating. He makes some candid and frankly dangerous comments. SFC orderd psych eval. But not before he 'rejoins' his ship on a 'radio silence' mission. Deep inside Garth's mind he interprets this as betrayal. Fine. The only way to stop another galactic war is to unify it by force.
SF begins looking for the missing ship and demands Garth either surrender or be detained. His first officer discovers the broadcast and alerts the senior officers. Garth then orders the destruction of a planet making their decision easy. They detain him and contact SF who orders they deliver him to the planet for the insane where Kirk finds him in TOS.
Really good video
i have watched this little mini series so many times! maybe if i put it in caps...........ehhh hemmm.........PARAMOUNT, GIVE THIS MAN A SHOT. GIVE HIM LOTS OF MONEY AND LET HIME MAKE THIS MINI SERIES A TRILOGY!!!!!!!.
Hopefully that did it.
Prelude to Axanar is the best Star Trek I’ve seen since before 2009.
Good job buddy. That's what we like to see. Things have been shakey in the world of Scifi. But Trek fans beat all others combined. We just care a lot more! And won't give up. You sir are one of the good ones.
Yeah, they've change most of Gene's concepts of Star Trek since he died. They've messed it all up. That's why I'm not into the newer Star Trek as much.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way and detail provided indeed, And I myself still own the original Fasa game and two other Startrek board games as well and I have different Fasa books of the various different types of ships as well the Fasa Startrek 3 version of the game and still have some of the lead model ships left as well👌.
Awesome bit of nostalgia.
Great video! Now to part 2!