We've Got ISSUES - BUILDING The First BENT For BARNDOMINIUM And It's Taking Longer Than we Thought
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- In this video, we are putting the bent together and hitting a few snags along the way. We knew there might be some learning curves along the way, especially since we are new builders, but overall, we feel like it's working and we are taking the "go slow, to go fast" mentality. Basically, figure out all of the issues with this first bent through some trial and error and that will make the next seven A LOT easier - or, at least we hope that's the case!
We are milling our barndominium - barn house out of wood that we are milling on our own sawmill. If you haven't followed along with our BARN Build, (which is now our barn house build) make sure to check out that series in our playlists. We finished the first slab last summer, we milled most of the timbers needed over this past winter/spring, added plumbing, put in a second slab for our garage and now we have started building our barndominium - barnhouse - lodge - our home.
Here's the video where we share our change in plans and decide to turn our barn into our home:
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Here is the video where we share our barn plans. Our plans are from @BarnGeek . We are excited to build one of his beautiful barns and turn it into our home:
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***We are also so excited to have completed our sawmill cover enclosure (sawmill shed). Definitely check out our Sawmill Playlist to watch it all happen. We have shared the process of building our sawmill cover from the very beginning. We have a Woodland Mills HM130 Max sawmill and we live in North Idaho. The sawmill cover / sawmill shed is vital to continue milling for our barn build in the winter months, but it will also be a great way to keep out of the sun during the summer months, and of course all of the rain, in between!
Here is a link to the video that shares the sawmill cover / sawmill shed build from start to finish:
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Here are the specs on the sawmill cover / sawmill shed we built:
3 posts in the front
4 posts in the back
Overall dimensions are 15 feet wide by 36 feet long
Longest beam is 28 feet
Front part of the lean to roof is 11'9" and back is 8'
It will have a 3 :12 pitch
Posts and beams are going to be 7 1/2" x 7 1/2"
We have shared the entire build!
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We've Got Issues - Building The First Bent For Barndominium And It's Taking Longer Than We Thought
June 2024 - Навчання та стиль
Definitely had a few issues with this first bent, but hopefully it's just a learning curve and will make the rest of the bents...easier. That's the hope at least! Greg has a few questions for those of you have done this before...he shares them at the end. Hope you enjoy this first bent! 😁
Those anchors are made for sheer strength not pulling strength! Everything is looking great. Keep up with your videos
Bill
Hi, Bill- Seems like they should be plenty strong! 😁
Love that drone shot at the end! 😊
Thank you! It puts the size of the vents into a real perspective. 😁
Sounds like an A team! 😊
Definitely! 😁
Build each Bent all of them all in a pile off of the slab on a level surface. The crane will swing them each in to place. Don't move them at all. Yes i have done similar type of construction. Don't over think, do the same thing over and over. This will increases the speed and efficiency.
I'm in agreement, but with the 2000 lb lifting capacity of the crane they might be pushing it, but that would be the way I would do it. I would build on the slab if there is room. Also be conscious that your measurements can grow/shrink as you move up
On another note talking about beam variances having never timber framed, I know with different sized timbers timber framers measure to a center line of each beam to keep every thing on an even plane. But that is another can of worms
also I'm in agreement on those plates, they don't look adequate. Maybe using some 12" timberlok screws down through your rafter into your post.
Don't get discouraged and keep posting....the fun is really going to start now. 👍
Hi, Bill- We have a system- not sure it the most effective system, but it is working. Made all the rafters on the ground and then lift them onto the sawhorses. Then finish the bent and lift it off the sawhorses on to the pile. Still seems like a lot of work. 😁
@@hpw59 Hi, Butch- Looks like we are going to have three piles of bents. So, we won't have to swing that crane around as much.
Yes, we put two 12" timberlocks in that joint. Barngeek said they need to be 12" plates not 7".
Definitely not like making a piece of furniture- all of the timbers are a little different and can have a bit of a twist. All in all the timbers are in great shape. We are about 80% done with bent #6. They are going up this Saturday and Sunday! 😁
Glad all the tools are working well!
Thanks, Deana- pretty happy about them all! 😁
Howdy y’all- once you get a system down it’ll go better. I think I would cut rafters to length before trying to raise the bent. Using a beam saw to cut a rafter tail once the bent is up would be bit sketchy. It would be so much easier to cut it while you have the bent horizontal. Take care and stay safe. God bless
Hi, Paul- Still time for me to do that. I just thought I would keep them long and put a string line on them. But I don’t think I could cut down accurately once they are vertical. 😁
Figuring it out as you go is definitely one way. I have learned other ways which allows me to solo large heavy projects. Which makes things easy and safe. I would have gotten 2 metal poles, one slides inside the other. Welded up a pivoting (at base where it attaches to bob cat) lift pole. This would allow angel adjustment, different lifting positions, the ability to stand lift pole directly straight up and a small winch for hoisting vertically. Yes it would have taken a day to build but the trade off would save so much time, energy throughout the entire build. Think smarter not harder.
Sounds like a jib pole mounted to the skid steer. That would allow me to work alone. Luckily I have had quite a bit of help. And we are using a cherry picker and it’s working a lot better. 😊
To drill accurately try using an old CD. The reflective mirror will let you make sure it is straight and plump by eye. It works very well.
Hi, Erik- I think I still have some of those hanging around. 🤣 The square next to the bit isn’t that good.
@@ourdreaminthewoods no problem, love what your doing. Looks amazing.
Your content is truly heartwarming and insightful, always delivering a mix of joy and valuable insights. I appreciate how you blend humor with genuine stories in your videos.
And I am floating village life
This is awesome, thank you! We’ll check out your channel- sounds interesting! 😊
@@ourdreaminthewoods thank kiu very much!
Love the Robin updates 💜
They are SO cute! 😍
Good progress. By the time you are done you will wonder why you didn't think of all the ways to do things right off. When planning the beams, why not plane 1 walking 1 direction and then go around the end and plane a 2nd beam going the other direction? It would save carrying the planer and walking back each time.
Thanks for bringing us along
Thank you, Mike- We are already a lot more efficient than when we started. Probably would continue to find new tricks that help things improve but we only have 2 left! They take some time but we are getting through them. 😁
Might I suggest that you make a template block for the guy doing the plaining. Slides over the timbers to make sure they are all the same size as a quick reference.
Template block - can’t quite picture this. Do you have a picture?
Way to improvise to save the robins! 😊
Always! 😊
Love the look of a king truss. I did mention composite toe boots, now you know why. Construction is one of the most dangerous industries. PPE isn't a magical shield but it does load the dice in your favor when worn properly and consistently.
There is a learning curve to anything new, you will get faster.
I agree with you. The bolts you mention are absolutely not designed for a lift by crane. You'd be fine with raising the side up from the ground but not the lift. Make sure you understand the lift chart for the crane. As the boom extends they lose a lot of lift capacity.
Regarding the rebar. Ideally the rebar design would have prevented the bolts from impacting it. Rebar increases the tensile strength of the concrete. This isn't post tension concrete so you could get a drill but capable of drilling through the rebar. The question is if that's a good idea or not. I can't answer that without knowing the design strength of your concrete and any additives it has, how long its been curing, and the estimated load it will have, to include a factor of safety. Same with addressing your dads concern on the cracking.
The planer and the cart are awesome.
Hi, KJ- We are going to lift at the top of the post but not the joint. Crane seems adequate with a load capacity of 2380# at 60’8”. But, yes we will be cautious- hard to tell how heavy these bents are? 1600-2000 pounds is our guess. Bents go up this Saturday and Sunday! 😁
Continued... Drilling the holes was not part of our thought processes when we were laying out the rebar. If there is a next time- then I'll pay attention to that. Not a lot of professional engineering in this project- good and bad. Good because I can afford to do it and bad becasue there is a bit of uncertainty.
Always appreciate your comments! 😊
@@ourdreaminthewoods Nice. There are online calculators for wood weight, just have to be careful to pick one that reflects moisture content accurately since yours isn't kiln dried.
There is a timber framing school post and beam school. Up on the north east coast, and he sells some type of a chemical that you can put on those beams to keep them from yellowing out. He said he done one a year ago and the beams still look like fresh cut.
Hi, Tom- I have watched a lot of their videos- super cool stuff. Wish I could go to his class someday. That’s where I found the end sealer that we are using. At this point we are just going to leave them as is and then stain them once we are dried in. 😊
You should make a beam wrench like Awesome Framers use. 👍
I thought about making one of those but at this point all the big Timbers are all done. 😁
Excellent video ! You guys should be proud of what you have accomplished ...this is getting me excited to get started on ours..still in the land clearing phase ..thanks a milion 47:46
Thank you, Adam- This exact time has been a dream for a long time.
Good luck on your land clearing- it’s hard work. 😅
Great video
Thank you, Tom! 😊
Them bolts on that bottom bracket rent a core drill core drill from Home Depot and drill them with a diamond bit through that rebar and put them anchor bolts down in the concrete flush
Hi,Don- I think we are limping by with what we have. Still need to cut some of those bolts down (close to flush). 😁
Get Kyle from RR Buildings to drill those holes. He can drill a whole post frame building and not miss. 😂😂
Hi, Michael- Those guys at RR Buildings are pretty amazing. I would take a day with Kyle on site anytime!! 😁
Ouch! Glad there were no serious injuries…but scrapes and slivers are no fun!
Hi, Deana- Scrape that looked like a tree - maybe getting back at me for cutting it down??? 🤣
@@ourdreaminthewoods 😂
Good looking beefy timber frame. Ive always used a jib pole on a skid steer to lift beams, bents, assemblies into place but if you got a crane coming, more power to you. Also brace your bents w/ 2x6's running diaganolly on both sides, run some 4in deck screws into them and remove them afterwards. On your post brackets, you only need 4 bolts but you should of shot epoxy into the hole before you cranked down the wedge anchors. Also a good idea to paint some roofing tar onto the bottom of the end grain post before you fly them into place. Two coats of boracare on beams is good preventative as well.
Hi, Kurt- We started using a cherry picker on the skid steer - much better. Hopefully the crane makes quick work of standing those bents up. Appreciate the advice on the bracing. And, I'm picking up some roofing tar - especially for the outside posts. 😁
you can buy from Hilti a drill bit drill throw rebar
Hi, Jennifer- I’ll have to look into that brand. The ones that I got from Home Depot say they are rated for rebar but doesn’t seem to eat through it. 😁
They fledged.
Yes, can’t believe I got it on video! So cool! They sure do grow fast! 😊
Turn your forks upside down on the mast and you’ll have more lifting height.
Hi, Tom- I don’t think I can turn mine upside down. But, I have a cherry picker type arm that fits on my forks that is working. 😁
Definitely have to appreciate the previous generations that did this without machinery.
Absolutely. Such amazing craftsmanship! 😊
His name is Pat Hinnon. And the school he has is called the shelter Institute. He has a lot of UA-cam videos.
Bucket list to go to their school. 😊
Nice to have an empty pile. 😊
Makes it feel real- finally! 🤣
You forget how tedious the sanding/planing is until you see it in real time.
For sure- plus, it’s heavy! We like to share that real time so you can see what it’s really like! 😁
Luckily you’ve got an engineering brain, Greg!
It’s that Science brain at work! 🤣
Brackets Top or Bottom Plates will tear-out END GRAIN and leave you with nuthin'. I can send you a video of how I know.
Hi, Tim- Good running into you today.
We are going to lift on the post and not that joint. We think after adding a couple of 12” timber locks to that in addition to the plate that it should be good to go. 😁
How many times can we watch a beam being planed 🤷🏻
Hi, Joseph- Try pushing that thing down those beams a hundred times- it’s a beast! 🤣
well make sure you have all hole drill for plates before you 2 pieces and to have 2 piece is good why take a chance
Hi, Wade- Read your comment a couple of times and can’t figure it out. Maybe I’m tired 😁.
Hey your lucky you have all of those guys you need a cherry picker and a crue of guys knows what there doing to lift all of the timbers
Hi, David- I am using a cherry picker now. Works much better. As far as the crew goes - I’ll take the ones that are there working and doing their best. Problem with do it yourself’ers- we don’t always know the best way but we are willing to adapt. 😁
I was yelling at the screen. You said you need to cut the ends of the rafts . So why didn't cut them before the left. That would have given you the room you did to left and remove some of the height of the piece.
Hi, Michael- I deserve to be yelled at- not very smart. We are doing much better and are cutting those rafters down also. 😌
4 bolt plates underwhelming.
We agree. Sounds like they should have been 12” long vs 7”. We added two 12” timber locks.