How POWERFUL Was Darth Nihilus?
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2021
- The age old question: How Powerful was Darth Nihilus? In this video we speak about 3 different intepretations regarding Nihilus' power and what that means within Knights of The Old Republic 2.
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Here's a suggestion: Can Revan beat Darth Vader?
@@mikeor- meh probably revan
Not trying to be a another revan stan but revan feats in swtor makes revan like a a+ in pure strength and Vader like a b+ in pure strength in pure strength in the force
@@WeirdMagnus I am a Revan stand, and I still think Vader could beat him. After all, HE is the Chosen One.
@@WeirdMagnus What feats would those be? Revan's best feat pre zombification as Revan "Reborn," was launching an Asteroid in zero gravity. Padawan Anakin could tilt weapons platforms in a planet's gravity, into hypersonic missiles, and Padawan Anakin is weaker than Vader.
This feat is comparable to Yoda colliding two separatist landing craft in the micro series clone wars. Vader also matched Galen Marek in force combat, who a weaker version of Galen in the same force unleashed novel could move star destroyers.
Like I'm sorry, Vader has some of the best Telekenesis feats in starwars. He only falls flat to Sidious, Abeloth and Grandmaster Luke. That still makes him top 5. Revan's best technique would be a force storm that's not even Sidious level, and Vader can just absorb it with a maelstrom or Barrier technique, as we saw in the Ghost Prison.
I think Kreia sums it up best: ”There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others-his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.“
a fantastic quote!
"Just a man. Nothing more."
@@michaelandreipalon359
A man with a mask.
This! This was the quote I thought while listening to this. Kreia really put it the best. From a certain point of view, Nhillus seems like a very powerful being. Then Kreia just laughs at the thought, and puts it into perspective.
@@crazyquirrels It really doesn’t matter how pathetic you feel his hunger is, and how pitiful it makes him seem. It doesn’t change the fact he can devour entire planets, and was only beaten because the ONE person he couldn’t drain stood up to him. At his peak, the universe was literally hiding from Nihilus. Jedi couldn’t even gather on the same planet in fear that Nihilus would feel them and show up to kill them all. He is INCREDIBLY powerful.
Debate his power level all you want, but Nihilus had the strongest munchies in the extended universe
Bit like me when I walk into McDonalds
no arguments there, he had one heck of an appetite. he ate planets for snacks
I think the real debate is Nihilus vs. Galactus.
The triumvirate… probably my favourite Sith Lords. Traya is a brilliant character.
they were all really interesting in their own ways
They all served their purposes and were interesting in their own rights.
Agreed.
The only thing that I always thought about when it came to Nihilus, was he just represented what happens when you let the sin of gluttony take over.
Very true!
@@100StarWars You know actually that was actually the nickname I had for him. "Nihilus the Glutton!"
Also represents what happens when you sacrifice all life in a battle the enemy and even your own to win. An unknowingly create a wound in the force being Darth Nihilus.
Revan literally was fine with killing his own people on Malachor V just to beat the mandalorians.
You are right that's why we play the games that's why we discussed this to this day Knights of the Old Republic is one of the greatest games ever made
Whether or not Chris Avellone's POST-release comments on Revan vs. Nihilus count as authoritative, he does raise an interesting claim about a hypothetical Revan vs. Nihilus. As Kreia said, "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force." And in the long game of Star Wars, the Force always ends up on top. Nihilus is a threat to the Force, and inflicts grievous harms upon it, as the Exile did at Malachor V, and as Kreia hoped to do at the end of KOTOR II. But the implicit theme is that servants of the Force will always EVENTUALLY win against those who seek to harm it. Avellone probably had that in mind in imagining a Revan-Nihilus duel. Whether he's right or not, however, who knows?
A good thought process that!
I like this!
We do know as he is the author
Darth Nihilus: MHHHMM I CAN FEAST ON PLANETS IM A BAD ASS.
Also Nihilus: OH SHIT A HOLE IN THE FORCE MY WEAKNESS. 💀
Hahahaha
I was just disappointed his fight was too easy. I feel like a good boss fight there would have elevated the game from a 9 to a 10. It just wasn't meant to be.
That's like eating the donuts and leaving everyone else the holes.
ngl, I chuckled at the rocks popping up, I wasn't expecting it and it caught me off guard
If you SA-MELL
@@100StarWars ....what the man who boned Kelly Hu in the Scorpion King.... is cookin'
Haha, nice actors cross-reference there, Revanite.
The Mummy (again, the one with Beni) should have stayed a standalone, however.
@@michaelandreipalon359 oh forreal. It's also bc Luke is a Kelly Hu simp.
Agreed. I just had to like the video at that point. ^^
The rock paper siccors theory is good, but I have to dissaprove. When Nihilus was facing Meetra he was already in a weak state, but what I think everybody oversees is that his opponents beside Meetra were his weakneesses. Visas was his apprentice and Mandalore the preserver was one of his former opponents, so I think he felt, although he had very little feelings left, absolute betrayal. If Meetra would've showed up alone, I think she would've died. Nihilus still has absolute power beside his drain. Anyways this is a wonderful video, keep going with the good work!
I think Meetra would've lost alone too.
@@100StarWars ah, great!
You gotta love how Darth Nihilus’ mask (and overall appearance) and hunger were both based on No-Face from Spirited Away. Like… it’s derivative as fuck but you just can’t hate it. lol
Great Video Man! Keep it up 😀
Thank you Sir Burger!
Hello! Amazing video! Darth Nihilus is my favorite OP Sith Lord in the whole Star Wars Universe, and you did a good job interpreting his power. I completely agree with everything you’d said.
Thank you a lot for the video, keep them coming. I hope I can catch in the future your streaming gameplay videos. Take care!
Thank you for watching!
Revan was a "ordinary" force user and not a wound in the force, however, he had all the knowledge of Trayus Academy and knew Force Drain with upmost intimacy. It is what he was doing in the Star Forge and what the power of the Star Forge truly is. It is what drove the Rakatans to their downfall.
Now he probably had means in the force to protect himself from it. Or better yet, he could just use his best weapon: His brain. Darth Traya was the one who killed Darth Nihilus, not Meetra Surik, for instance. She just used Meetra Surik like a guided missile to Darth Nihilus knowing what it would unleash. So, did she fought him 1v1 and won? No. But i would always bet on Traya and not Meetra, for instance.
Now, she did that in the same way as Obi-Wan used Luke Skywalker as a guided missile to Darth Vader, only it did not worked the way he intended. He wanted Luke to kill his father, but he ended up going about it a different way.
So there are several ways i can think of that Revan would be able to kill Nihilus, including the lack of knowledge from our part, but not from his part.
I always thought the character of Vitiate, especially in the Revan novel, was ripped off of Nihilus in the best of ways. Which got me thinking how come they never came to blows against one another as all powerful sith world eaters. But then I noticed that once these creatures learned to absorb life on a galactic scale, they ceased being Sith lords. At least in the philosophical way. Both cared very little for the sith teachings after they gained these abilities. Apart of me would LOVE to see a "what if" comic line where Vitiate won. Absorbed all life and became a god and is now tending to his crops as a reincarnated farmer.
If he drained the galaxy it’s very simple what vitiate/valkorion would do
He would become an artist and become an apprentice to bob ross
@@WeirdMagnus he would wait for the Galaxy to begin anew...
Then... He’ll probably hop life until being board... And then eat again...
Vitiate the biggest fanfic character ever
“Oh look it’s vitiate yeah he killed his planet ruling parents at the age 12 then became a Sith Lord at the age of 13 cuz he supa stronk and oh he also drain 8,000 Sith Lord cuz he so stronk and he immortal and he want galaxy dead”
Honestly tho he does have some based lines and theme tho
You know the scene in Endgame where Thanos is tending to his crop? That's Vitiate in that what if hahaha
Valkorion is a cooler character than Bland old Vitiate and Nilihus but Sidious = best sith
Very
Rock-paper-scissors is a quite accurate analogy, but it also exposes the simple character design in the story
Simple insofar as what? Easy to understand? Or that the Nihilus isn’t complex?
My take away is, you want Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to play Darth Nihilus if they ever make a live action film of Kotor 2.
Whoever it is, they should do make up and stuff to make his face COMPLETELY black. Like decaying, dead black. Not brown.
I... yeah.
@@G59forlife. how would that go over with a very tight-roped mainstream media tho lmao
Keane Reeves would make a perfect revan tho
@@leejamesmccarthy imo recon should be played by multiple actors
Thanks for remastering your old video :) Do you remember me in the original Darth Nihilus video?
Your name rings a bell
When it comes to Nihilus, for a character to beat him the deciding factor is if the opponent can resist force drain. If they can’t, they’re dead. If they can, they have a chance. In my opinion that places him very high in the power-scale, and only a few characters could beat him. Meetra obviously, Anakin skywalker, because he is given a natural resistance to force drain, Vitiate(Tenebrae or Valkorian) as he has equal or probably greater use of force drain and his sheer power outscales Nihilus immensely, and maybe Darth Sidious. I say maybe for sidious cus while he hasn’t ever encountered anything like him, sidious’s knowledge of the dark side would probably mean he could resist.
wow! I can tell you are really deep into the community of this game and everything else surrounding it. Do you know what sort of content regarding nihilus was cut from the game?
I do not know exactly.
I think nihilus is as strong as the writer decides him to be like palpatine in rosw but i like nihilus as a character he is certainly strong i wonder how he pars against modern sith like palpatine, vader, dooku ect but anyways i really enjoyed this video especially the rock papers scissor analogy I'll certainly use that in an debate with someone
Well in terms of feats in canon Nihlius makes palpating look like a meme. But legends palpatine is a very cool discussion that will end up most likely with palpatine winning.
Meetra surik is literally the only person that could have defeated him because she was a wound like him. Basically the only weakness Nihilus has is someone that is like him which meetra surik was. Difference is Surik cut herself off from the force , Nihilus gave into the hunger. However both of them are wounds.
Nihilus vs shonen protagonists in a eating competition. Now that’s a match for the ages
perhaps what avellone meant is that since revan had great knowledge about the force, it´s more exotic applications and rituals, he would have known a method to undo the disease that nihilus embodies.
Fantastic and informative video my friend and it was funny you included the Rock's appearance in your video to make your point about rock-paper scissors😂Darth Nihilus is of course a powerful Sith because of his abilities to drain the force from others and devouring words. His powers coming from the fallout of his exposure to the Mass Shadow Generator on Malachor V made him a wound in the force but he has limitations. Nihilus's constant hunger for force energy to sustain himself does limit his abilities so i agree that Revan could have easily defeated Nihilus just like Meetra Surik did. In some ways I compare Darth Nihilus to Darth Vader because Nihilus's hunger to drain the force to live and Vader needed the cybernetics of his suit to live. In battle both Nihilus and Vader can be formidable but if Nihilus's hunger isn't supplied then he becomes weak and if Vader's suit is damaged then his vulnerable unless they both draw on the force to help them
The Rock popping up here and there really got me, wasn't expecting that .
"And it rules HIM, not the other way around." - Kreia
I was full on giggling to myself like a little schoolboy while making it because it was so dumb xD
I wonder how Nihilus would fare against someone like Grievous - Grievous doesn’t use the force so Nihilus couldn’t drain it; Grievous also didn’t get dominated by any Jedi by using the force in the clone wars so I wouldn’t expect Nihilus to crush him in this regard. And in terms of lightsaber combat I would think Grievous has a chance…
Question is, can a lightsaber single-handedly kill Nihilus? o.o
Not even a ghost's chance in hell, my friend. Grevious, and the planet beneath him, would simply die.
Well, if we use my equation to determine his telekinectic strength, I can't imagine Grevious being able to resist that haha
I mean… Mace Windu crushed his lungs
Lifedrain works on non-sensitives. I think you mistake being unable to feel the force, which makes you still part of it and influenceable to being "repellent"/outside it like the Exile or the Yuuzhan Vong.
Nihilus is a fascinating character in terms of concept and appearance (the entire triumvirate are all really interesting) It's a shame the fight against him in KOTOR 2 was underwhelming, but I guess it makes sense it would've been hard to do his power justice in a boss fight
It was designed to be that way!
@@100StarWars makes sense. It's kinda hard to do an almost lovecraftian dark entity justice in a game, though from what i heard of kotor 3, they were going to do something similar. Would've been amazing tbh, and now im bummed about not getting kotor 3 again :(
I always thought that the reason Kreia picked up the exile was for the explicit reason of defeating Darth Nihlus, since if he were to try and absorb him, it would carry over the wound in the force to the Sith lord, therefor making him mortal. Otherwise I dont see anyone defeating something that can absorb the life of entire planets and propel a star ship using the force. Yet I also think Darth Nihlus and whatever it is that is eating him are two different entities, where the Sith Lord may not really be that strong, but whatever inhabits his body and essence has the strength of what, a black hole? An Exploding Neutron star?
As for Revan easily defeating Darth Nihlus? Well, consider that the exile is aboard his ship, is accompanied by his droids.. and his old teacher, couldn't you argue that is exactly what he did (by proxy)?
More KOTOR PLEASE
No other Star Wars character casually drains planets like Nihilus did. The only other was Vitiate and he needed a ritual to do that
1:16: Thought I saw "The Boulder". Must be watching too much Avatar myself.
I personally subscribe to the "Death of the Author" concept. It makes things a lot simpler.
Darth Nihlus was a walking death star.
Worse...
Sidious: needs a majestic weapon to destroy a single planet
Nihilus: Pathetic
The planet was tasty
P.S.- Having played KOTOR 2 before I played KOTOR 1, I must say that playing it that way made the reveal of Revan That Much more awesome. The characters, (Especially Kreia) had built up and mythologized Revan into this Godlike being that transcended both Jedi and Sith so when my brother and I played the first game we lost our minds with excitement when Malak revealed "us" to be Revan. I still wish we could have gotten a story about Kreia's fall to the Dark Side though.
How are you calc the speed?
I need more of these videos. I'm not the Jedi I should be
I'm sure I will make a few more here and there ;)
Even if Avellone thinks Revan wins , I can’t see Revan winning
I think Nihilus’ power is relative to the one his fighting and their resistance to force drain. The thing is, there isn’t a lot of people who can withstand it, the exile did because she was also a wound in the force, so Nihilus had to rely on more traditional force abilities like telekinesis and force lighting and saber combat, which by the way he was proficient in all of it which is why they needed another wound in the force, his old apprentice and Mandalore the preserver. They needed someone as much of an anomaly as him, someone who knew him at a personal level and the most skilled and powerful non-force warrior in the galaxy. So yeah I’d say he is pretty damn strong.
a side note that about The Exile is that it is implied that they would become more powerful through absorbing the energy of those that they killed (in other words, an in game explanation for XP and leveling). the reason The Exile is able to defeat Nihilus is not because of being the paper to the rock, but rather being a bigger rock. it is implied that should the The Exile choose the darkside they would, in time, become like Nihilus.
If you remove the fact that only a wound in the force can beat him, there are plenty of Jedi and sith who can defeat him. Also another way would be to block his connection to the force just like nomi sunride did to exar kun's appreciate, ulic.
I don't think they could just... disconnect a force entity from the force.
Nomi blocked Ulic Qel-Droma's connection to the Force. It was the Wall of Light that she used on Exar Kun.
@@100StarWars alright what about another Idea. The ysalamiri from the thrawn trilogy. His force drain ability would be useless since these creatures create bubbles in which the force can't be manipulated and if you go enough close to him he will die.
I saw this page about how darth sion could survive a Death Star blast
Nihilus would be quickly bested by Ima Gun Di!
I feel like Nihlilus' force drain is unique due to him being a wound in the force. Sure, other Sith have used Force drain but I don't think it's the same technique. Just has the same main idea on what it does
I interpreted the vs debates as having other force users being able to find a way to defeat him one way or another. Obviously powerful ones would have higher chances, like Revan.
We have to also remember that the force seems to have its own will. And would guide you to find balance at some point or another.
It kind of reminds me a lot of defeating Valkorion in The Old Republic. He is tremendously powerful and knowledgable in the ways of the force, but you still find a way to defeat him while he is literally trying to take over your body.
So I can see how a Revan or a Sidius might be able to defeat him, with the proper narrative sense. I would not just drop Sidius and Nihilus without knowledge of each other in a single room and expect Sidius to win. Unless that’s what the force wants, I guess.
Ok everyone disagrees with me. I consider Darth Traya to be the most powerful in the story. Her wisdom was her strength. You have to admire a sith Lord who doesn't like it when you are cruel to others. She is very balanced with the dark side of the force. It does not consume her like say palpatiine. She trained Revan, Meetra Surik, and many other powerful force users. Her teachings and knowledge made her powerful. Her gift with a light saber was just under master Vandar
I think she is the *best* character in the story. However, powerful I'm not sure. There's a reason why Kreia manipulated events so you finished Nihilus, and not her.
@@100StarWars but I see power in a different way. To get one to do your will. She trained the most powerful sith Lords and Jedi. Then almost perfectly exacts her revenge. I say almost, because she was unsuccessful on destroying the force. I think her wisdom is her power and strength.
@Taramafor Haikido She betrays because she was betrayed. Both by the sith and the Jedi. In a way she brought balance to the force.
Maybe when Nihilus "eats something" it gives him a temporary huge power boost hence why he was able to winch the Ravager out.......
My personal theory to why Revan can beat Nihilus, is that Nihilus can't drain all of Revan's Force energy before Revan is able to kill him. But if this is the case, Revan must have more Force energy than millions of Miralukas (Force sensitive species) and most of Jedi Council combined.
The more force energy you have the quicker her drains you
Finally a video about me.
@@WeirdMagnus My hunger is never satisfied!
@@hristo_kostov.darthmrr tell that to the people of katarr
There's certainly quite a few of those...
For me, Revan defeats Nihilus because Revan understands him. The thing to remember is that everything in KOTOR 2 boils down to that one moment: Malachor V, when Meetra Surik ordered Bao-dur to activate the Mass Shadow Generator to destroy the Mandalorian fleet. Meetra was in command of the Republic forces, but Revan was there when that titanic wound in the Force was created via the agonising deaths of countless thousands. There is an argument to be made as to whether Revan intended that to happen, or whether it was an accident, but either way, Revan was there, and he knew what happened.
It was Kreia who oversaw the creation of the Sith assassins and the training of Sion and Nihilus, exploiting the horrors of Malachor V, but she did so in service of Revan. Revan and Malak made use of the assassins, of course, but it's only natural that they'd seek to protect themselves as well. I can absolutely see Revan and Malak devising a defence against the Sith of Malachor V, should they ever turn on their masters.
Still mad at how the exile was treated in the end. Don't want to speak bad for the writer or put words in their mouth, but if it was me and I had the opportunity to write an official Kotor Canon back then, I'd keep Nihilus exactly the same and do every justice I can to the exile.
Hopefully in any kind of future remake they cover her better.
Is there a source for the calc?
Ngl that calc makes nihilus island class which is a very big lowball.
FINALLY..... the Nihilus has come back to Katarr.
hahaha
Nihilus was underrated character he needed alot more development I think kotor 2 needed to be alot longer of even split into two games
If you are doing VS things then perhaps compare the Eternal Fleet versus the Yuuzang Vong?
I honestly have never considered doing a Vs series haha
@@100StarWars Fair enough. I am always fascinated by your in-depth content. Please keep it going!
Why We can beat Nihilus
Battling Us is like Dividing by 0.
The dude literally eats everything even planets for breakfast, snack, lunch, and dinner
I think there’s three beings, other than Meetra Surik, who could either defeat or, maybe more importantly, survive Nihilus. Revan, because of what Chris Avalon said, Sion, because he is the positive to Nihilus’s negative and might not be able to defeat Nihilus but Nihilus can’t kill him either, and Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion, again because he is immortal and Nihilus might be able to resist the drain somewhat like Sion but for a different reason.
I remember when I first fought him I thought it would be as easy as it looked fighting him (at least as easy as how I saw it on UA-cam) I was very wrong kinda
Sorry Sion vs Nihilus how did that happened ? I played this game at least like 10 times and I dont rmeber that scene :O
When it comes to power yes nihilius is extremely powerful
Yeah but it depends on how you see how “powerful” a character is.
Palpatine and bane for example aren’t powerful in a raw power kind of sense but when it comes to the mind… strategy…manipulation…scheming…they are indeed one of the most powerful..
It really depends on how you see someone being powerful
I've always imagined Nihilus to be extremely powerful in the force but kind of a shitty lightsaber duelist. Not sure why lol
Idk about that... He was a Mandalorian Wars veteran and survived the war. Unless your name is Carrick, there is no way you would do that if you sucked with the lightsaber. Plus he became a Sith Lord, meaning he had teachers and then went up being taught by Darth Traya. Plus she had 2 apprentices, meaning that Nihilus would have to spar with Darth Sion, the brute. So while probably not as good as Darth Tyrannus, Darth Vader or Exar Kun, he was probably good enough. But sometimes i get your drift, since he has little use for lightsabers.
@@Melanrick yeah he seems more like a "suck the life out of you" typa guy
He doesn't have to be good with a lightsaber, just hold you off long enough to sap the life out of you and make you weaker and weaker.
in a drawn out fight nihilus wins coz his presence alone kills, but a fast attack with all you can muster could do the trick
if creamy sheev for example would go all out against nihilus as soon as he sees him, focusing only on keeping the fight as short as possible (which wouldnt work coz dude loves his monologue and to gloat ) his chanes would be pretty good, i would say
the writter is drew karpyshyn
Not for K.O.T.O.R.2
IMO, Nihilus’s superior force abilities would trump anyone and anything. It makes him absolutely Apex in the Star Wars universe. The ability to literally destroy life with his disembodied voice and physical presence, i honestly don’t see how any Jedi or Sith could even deal with him.
I understand he’s a mediocre baseline duelist, but he has damn near every force ability in his arsenal.
That factor, again, IMO, makes him the ultimate sith who was really immortal.
I truly hope one day somebody picks him up and clears the air and expands on his character. SO MUCH POTENTIAL
Except palpatine is canonically the most powerful sith ever.
I like to think Revan is Anakin at the scale of the Old Republic…
Unstoppable.
A fair comparison!
Cheers. 8 wow . Who would win is the bedrock of fandom for the last century anyway. From sports to comics.
Come on Disney make Nihilus Canon!
Patience.
No, they would ruin him. Filoni might do him justice but because it would still be “children friendly” they would hold back on him.
This would've been 200% more hilarious if there was wresters with the name Paper and Scissors
I really wanted to put something in for paper and scissors but I just couldn't think of anything funny enough xD
Imagine if the main villain of the sequel trilogy was Nihilus reborn, and Rey was the WitF that could beat him.
He so strong but they don’t want to give starkiller his points for bringing down the starship
He makes Unicron look like a chump
Who?
that would be an interesting talk beween transformers fans and SW fans
@@100StarWars unicorn is from the transformers universe
He eats planets
I’d recommend watching the 1986 movie
It might be a bit cheesy but it gives you a good summary of who he is
Do you think the "true sith" revan went looking for, would have known what to what to do with this guy?
My interpretation is nihilus is a Ying to the exiles yang. Can't suck stuff from a echo. What if the exile died prematurely.
The ROCK, is cooking...
I'm glad someone smelled it :((
Here’s how I look at it, Nihilis can basically beat most force user except for this who have a unique connection to the force. So he could easily beat someone like Obi wan or Starkiller. However, I don’t think he can beat people whose existence is tied directly to the force itself. So Meetra because she’s a wound, Revan because as Karia described, he is like looking into the force itself, Valcoriron because he’s absorbed so much of the force and Anakin who was born through the will of the force itself
Hmm, the word "obscene" sounds alien to Star Wars and the Force in general... not sure how I feel about it.
I think that there was no oversight or attempt to scale Nihilus to anything because why would they, he was just a plot element self contained in a game and dealt with within that same game. It is like trying to compare Valkorian from The Old Republic, he completely wrecks everyone as long as it is in a cut scene then you can beat him even with a non force using agent or bounty hunter or trooper or smuggler because you are supposed to beat him in the end to finish the game.
True
hes both hes powerful in his hunger but its also his weakness. what I mean is Nihilus could feed on any force user heck even feed on planets on life itself but he's losing more and more of his mind like been said in comments he is primal in his thinking and any true fighter like the exile reven even thawn can beat him once they understand him. so while he has the power to beat just about anyone the opposite is true any true opponent can defeat him if given the chance.
A double edged sword.
I think Nihilus is quite easy to stop, if you know how to and have the ability to use that knowledge, but if you don't have that knowledge or that ability there wouldn't be much you could do, even if you're Revan
Didn't they say that Jedi and Sith of the movie's (in that era) are much, much weaker comapred to their older counterparts? (Ancient Sith and Jedi being more and more powerful).
Ehh, there's statements for both sides.
Nihilus vs Vitiate
I feeling Darth nihilus it's more like a parasite devouring the force
i actually think you describe him the best. I also can understand why Revan would be able to beat him. I dont think it would be easy. If Revan can figure out Mitras ability he could in a essence him self do the same. Revan is able to use both Light and the dark side in balance after all. I think he can figure out to turn off his force completely. BUt.... would he figure out that's how to win in time? I don't care who you think is smarter than Revan. Willingly Turning off your force power is like saying you willingly would like to donate all your money. you just don't wanna do it. However Revan is not most people. To activate go dark side and come back from it is a feet no one can claim. For majority of force users. the dark side seduces them.
You cany break the laws of physics ( scotty star trek ) .
No fucking dislikes. AS IT SHOULD BE!
There is now sadly :(
He said that Revan and Darth Vader could beat him.
Indeed.
Well... it's like this, Avellone is voice of god in this matter, so if he said Revan can beat Nihilus, then he can. You might say that he's keeping the details of that under wraps on purpose to create discussion and you may be right. Or the interviewer simply forgot to ask and he didn't think to elaborate either. xD I'll comment, though, that I think he's a Revan fanboy (no criticism, I am too xD) and therefore might have decided that without really thinking about the details of how that would be. =P Who knows. But at the end of the day, what he said goes.
PS: Revan would probably find a way to exploit his powers, that are, after all, self destructive in nature.
I think that when it comes to his force drain... Ancient Sith Lords did used it, and combined with Transfer Essence and used properly could make some wondrous things, like Vitiate, and when used wrong, could do a nightmare, like with Exar Kun.
They were both examples of how to combine those two force powers, however, none of them could drain a whole planet at will. Sure there will be the argument that Vitiate could, but really, he could not. Why? It took several hundred Sith Lords to make the ritual, which i belive it was probably a thought bomb and he drained their essences later and then used transfer essence. Or he could just have made all of them make a huge Drain Life, regardless, it was the same result as the ritual Exar Kun did, but on a much lower scale, the problem with it was the Transfer Essence. Vitiate just inhabited a new body while Exar Kun fixed his body on his temple. Darth Nihilus did that on his mask later on, however what the other two did not became was a force wound. That made Nihilus be able to suck the life of entire planets and to all that on the extreme and bound his essence to his mask so he could still have a body.
That was a bad use of it, since he damned himself to either Chaos or be stuck in his mask. Regardless, the technique when used *right* led to the Sith Assassin's order. When used wrong it led to Exar Kun, when used with malicious intent and all the right tools and knowledge, it led to Vitiate, and then we have Nihilus. The wrong use of the wrong technique for the wrong purposes and in the wrong time. So he was quite unique in that and his technique was surely different.
Another note that eluded me while making this wall of text was that Darth Jadus probably used Drain Life to enthrall his servants and make them his image. There is much speculation in what made him so strong and why he walled himself with non force users and the answer is that he was slowly draining them of their life to make himself strong and a non force user will *not* realize that until its too late. He's servants are functional zombies in a better state of preservation than he is. Now he mix that with other techniques, but that *is* the right way to use Drain Life.
As powerful as the exile could ever be, they both absorb the life force from those they kill or surround themselves with - His methods are simply more direct and aggressive.
Indeed
My guess about nihilus vs Revan is that Nihilus is Op against those who are too dependant of the force, just like what kreia did with the jedi Master at the enclave, is similar to what Nihilus does in smaller scale, SO why revan would win against Nihilus? My guess by kreia's pov Even if revan is the heart of the force he was never too dependant of it, unlike most of the force users implied in kotor 2 that most of them were overdependant of it with out knowing they would die instead of cutting themselve of the force and Revan is not the kind of character, specially in the whole narrative of kotor 2, a person that turns soldiers into special jedi hunters, assassination droids, creation of armies over power of the force, Revan was a military strategist overall he was never dependant of the force but his own Strength and power and this is kreia's lesson of Strength and the exile is the Best example of this and Nihilus is the opposite he is very strong in the force but take it away from him, he is weak person, in a Clash against Revan, Revan would likely cut himself of the force if he had to in order to win, because Revan probably Saw the force as a tool and Revan Even with the force is a great duelist, military strategist, charismatic leader And se take his time brainwashed he is pretty good with blasters and droids, Revan was a really strong person and very powerfull individual, some who choose to take the fate of the galaxy on his shoulders
Nihilus is an enigma, wrapped in a mystery. Ultimately I think he was as powerful as Chris and the rest of the team needed him to be to tell the story. Although there's an argument that a character is more than its creator's intents, I tend to side with Chris as the creator (and Revan, of course😜)
So you're on the Revan would be Nihilus side of the coin?
@@100StarWars If Chris Avellone says Revan wins, Revan wins in my book! Yes, I'm team Revan all the way 😏
Iam saying nihlis is my favorite sith lord ,also isn't it true that his crew and those who stayed around him was slowly dieying just from being around him in his presence so I would love to know how darth reven just beat him easly like that he might can beat him the jedi exile was able to but he/she was a wound in the force was reven a wound in the force
But that’s just a theory. A GAME theory
Hahaha
Wutzek would mop the floor with Nihilus.
I have eaten those planets because they look tasty
nihiluis barely got close to some ancient sith lords in raw force power and exar kun was estate by the source to be the most powerful ancient sith lord in galaxy story he escalate above vitiate since it say that exar kun was the galaxy greatest threat over 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, exar kun was a greater sorcerer than naga sadow who could easily tank supernovas and boost stars 🌟, exar kun mastered all sith magic archemy and knew many rituals also exar kun possessed the dark holocrom which had the acknowledged of over 10,000 years of sith lore and lightsaber skills from sith lords like tulak hord, exar kun one shotted an jedi who tanked over 10 supernovas and was amped by a light nexus of a planet.
Make sense
I think that Darth Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate personally. V had to use a ritual and multiple Sith Lords to consume the life of a planet. Nihilus was able to do it naturally. However, I also think Vitiates ability was more controlled. Kreia taught that Nihilus power wasn't strength, but an insatiable weakness.
I've also wondered if the Jedi had the time to strip him of the Force, if he would have died.
Is Darth Nihilus in the Disney canon yet!
The real Star wars canon...is in our hearts
He is not.
The Sith Triumvirate is still so awesome but Kreia is By far the coolest, most complex villain in the Star Wars universe; whether it be Canon, Legends or the EU.
I have always thought Judy Dench would have played a great Kreia but she is too old now.
Also, Helen Mirren would have played a great Atris.
I like REVAN
Me TOO