Was Darth Sion IN LOVE with The Jedi Exile?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- The relationship between Darth Sion and The Jedi Exile is one of the more interesting aspects of KOTOR 2 and it begs the question: Was Darth Sion in Love with the Jedi Exile?
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Male Exile Interaction
1:32 Female Exile Interaction
2:36 Understanding Darth Sion
3:45 Meeting Meetra
4:31 Studying the Exile
5:25 Getting the Hots
6:30 Deep Infatuation
7:48 Projecting Self Hatred
8:34 Protecting Meetra from Kreia
11:12 You have Eroded Sion's Will
12:45 Letting go/Selfless Love
15:12 Conclusion
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So what do you think? Do you think Darth Sion was in love with Meetra Surik or do you think maybe it was something else? Let me know below! Also, I made this video with about 2 hours sleep and a can of Monster - so apologies if there's some repeated wording, or sentences that are oddly put together!
Oh man, next time you should perhaps have a stimulant or a medpac at your side.
Everyone is in love with meetra (the exile) in one way or another, its weird
But don't get negative attributes when you get a stim hangover though.
Such is the way of the force bond!
Hey, thx for this video. It's weird, but it seems to me like Sion really fell in some kind of love with the Exile. Never thought of this anyway. And about the deep meaning of his story as well. Great job. And it comes like a wizard comes - not late nor early, but just when he planed to, when he is needed. A video in some way about hate and letting it go. Some thing that I need to think about right now.
I love how the Exile has two Jedi killers interested in her. 😂
And michal as a simp in the background 🤣
*ironic*
What's Kreia's Jedi kill count? Other than the other 3 Jedi masters
@@archlight611 I think they mean Atton and Sion, not Kreia
@@Spiketrooper I do too 🙃
“No matter how many I killed, there was no end to the pain, the wounds that the force tore through my flesh. I am glad to leave this place, at last.”
His last words always hit hard, given how tragic his life was. I think the moral of kotor 2's story was: Everyone in the game needs a good hug.
A *really* good hug
A GREAT hug
Haha saber go vroom vroom
Hugging Nihilus... Now that would be interesting
@@ISimpForVisas2471 then you'll know he is just a broken soul.
I love how during the final battle with Sion one of the dialogue options available is- [Persuade] Truth: Sion, we need not battle - you have been a presence in my mind as well. -The game allows us the option to have Meetra fall in love with him too. So, in a way, that means he's kinda romancable then. I really appreciate that they gave us that option.
eh I wouldn’t say she fell in love with him, more so she was probably manipulating him not to fight or to stand down. That would make sense since HK would’ve told her the only way to bear Sion would be to make him doubt himself in some way, and if he admitted he loves her, then she could use that against him? Idk. I Just find the idea of romancing Sion to be very weird.
Yes must admit sion is like a yandere to me no doubt .
Also i thought romancing darth nihilus would work ? I mean the two are connected and the exile could possibly redeem and heals him .
Something I don't see highlighted all that often is that a lot of Sion's dialogue paints him as a victim of emotional abuse. How he both hates Kreia and knows what kind of person she is yet craves her approval nonetheless. Harrowing stuff
Yes! That last fight and dialogue between the Exile and Sion was so important to the game. Sion should have gotten more development in game. However, Kreia still used the Exile to take out both Nihilus and Sion. A simple tale of revenge? I think not. Kreia was playing a much longer game even if the story never progressed the way it should have.
I think Kreias motivation for taking them out was a kind of guilt for her part in creating these monsters. She had to right the wrong with the sith, just like she had to teach the Jedi about their own arrogance.
I always liked to think that Sion did love Meetra. Not in a way where he wants to be with her romantically, but that he sees in her, whether consciously or subconsciously, a way to free himself from the eternal agony he lives in. In how she let go of the force, where he is obsessed with it.
They are mirror opposites and I think he sees in her how he maybe could have been if he hadn't have gone down the path that he did. And that is why he says that she is 'beautiful to him'.
Quite possibly!
@@100StarWars thanks for the reply. I'm honoured haha. This was a great video, as ever. More on Sion, and pretty much anything from the KotOR era will always be great.
Beautifully expressed, and I absolutely agree. The relationship between the Exile and Sion is a real gem in the story, particularly since at the end, it's that love that allows Sion to finally move on. Meetra was the only person who could save him, and perhaps the only person who'd even try, since she could sympathise with him. Both of them were broken, just in different ways.
@@Cailus3542 Yeah for sure.
His final words being a warning to Meetra so that she might survive her confrontation with Kreia and then finishing with "I am glad to leave this place... at last" was so well written.
I always loved the immense power of Nihilus, but Sion was ultimately the far better written character. Probably the most emotionally complex Sith in all of Star Wars.
That sounds infinitely more intriguing than what the game might imply, but the fact that there's a difference in reactions of the exile genders muddles things
Sion such an underrated character. He is so complex and my opinion on him changed so much on my second playthrough when I made a female exile
Yeah, but I think you need to experience both to really get the full depth of his character
@@100StarWars definitely
Yes I wish they would've developped him a bit more
Girls: "Do boys even have feelings?"
*Meanwhile*
Sion: "I am glad to leave this place…at last." *Dies*
Meetra: "You will be always here, Sion...by my side..."
Men: 😢
Where real men cried.
In some other life Sion is my friend
I wonder if her passive ability to draw others to her also played a part. She didn't use it, she didn't dominate with her strength, she simply did what she felt was right because it was the right thing to do
What about Atris’ feelings towards Meetra Surik?
It seemed to me that she had a crush on her or perhaps that they were in a relationship. But, they took very different views on war. How the war played out, hardened Atris, filled her with bitterness and a sense that Meetra didn’t just betray her Jedi teaching, but rather betrayed her. And perhaps that was what changed Atris from a moderate council member to hardliner and then…
I mean, the way she talked sound to me like they went through a very bad breakup, and Atris couldn’t put it aside, couldn’t let go and move past it.
That was just my impression. Then again, Brianna seemed to be attracted toward her too.
I think if it were today - then the romantic crush from atris would've been male and female. I personally headcanon Atris was in love with Meetra though. Makes it even more bittersweet.
That title. 😂😂😂 everyone gotta simp for the exile.
can you blame them *sweats*
They gotta simp to space Chad jesus
Meetra surik saw the good in him, and sion proved he wasn't completely beyond redemption. Mercy, kindness, and being respectful are admiral qualities and sion learned these the hard way.But still i'm glad he found peace and came to terms with everything.
This game was so far ahead of its time. I will always cherish it
Amen, Cole.
Sion and Nihilus were kind of similar in their dependance on the Force to survive. Nihilus became so corrupted by the dark side that he was forced to encase his spirit in his armor and mask to survive in the physical plain.
Sion was also dependant on the Force to survive and used it to achieve a form of immortality that had a massive drawback, he was left in constant pain. This dependance on the Force was why Kreia never viewed him as her greatest apprentice since Revan.
Kreia's ultimate goal in the game was to create a new wound in the Force at the Trayus Core, in the heart of the devastated planet of Malachor V that was significantly larger than that created by Meetra Surik, in order to kill the Force, because she came to the belief that the force had a will of its own and was in control of people's destinies. Had she succeeded she may have wiped out all life in the galaxy leaving an empty void, much like what would have eventually happened if Nihilus hadn't been stopped.
Sion didn't understand that Kreia respected Meetra more than him because Meetra was forced to give up the Force to survive, while Sion was dependant on it. Meetra was able to open his eyes to this and she eventually helped him let go of his hatred and he was able to pass on.
I agree with this evidence, yet I disagree with this conclusion that Kreia would've destroyed the galaxy should she had succeeded. I unintentionally wrote a UA-cam script to explain my point so I'm sorry for that, and if anyone wanted to plagiarize this and edit appropriately for a video they can be my guest, just credit.
Kreia saw the force as the source of so much of the suffering of the galaxy. Even should all Sith would be wiped from the universe, and one Jedi be left to rebuild the Jedi order, among the proceeding Jedi would fall new acolytes for a new Sith empire, and the cycle would repeat itself, bringing endless strife for trillions of bystanders. Many would believe that the force is essential to life in the galaxy. Qui Gon Jinn much later certainly thought so. But then, Malachor V happened. So many perished in that explosion, but there arose one that was free of the force, someone who was living proof that the force and life weren't one and the same.
This is why I believe Kreia was so fascinated by the Exile. Sion and Nihilus as you said were living examples of dependence upon the force, and while Revan chose the Dark side as one would choose a cloak, even he seemed unable to keep away from the force. But in the Exile, Kreia found someone who was able to turn away from the force, and a chance to end its destructive cycle. If she could convince the Exile to use what he or she had learned and create a new order of Jedi that would destroy the force, the universe could be rid of its greatest evil.
But it was not long until the Exile refound his or her connection to the force that Kreia noticed a sort of enthrallment upon the Exile. Kreia, despite her efforts, could not make the Exile aware of what he/she had actually achieved, but was unintentionally continuing the cycle of renewal and death, and this is where we see Kreia snap. She cuts herself from the Exile and reemerges as Darth Traya, continuing her own work of personally destroying the force. The Exile arrives and stops her, and Kreia, mortally wounded, realizes that the force may never be killed, but consoles herself with one positive thing the light side brings, no matter how dire a situation becomes and all light has appeared to faded:
Hope.
And with this, Kreia releases her aspiration, and returns into the force. She sees a vision of the Exile and the party, and, finally, passes on.
_____
This was so beautiful 🥺
Well done Luke. I always loved this story between Darth Sion and Meetra. Im so happy you made a video about this!!
I always found the different dialogs for male and female Exiles very interesting. I would think there has to be something deeper to it. I think that he was at least intrigued by her, if not in love with her. Great video as always, my friend.
Thanks, Dark Lord Revan ;)
@@100StarWars You're welcome, my friend.
Yo revan what up
I'm coming to unknown regions to fight by yourside
@@maleexile9053 Nothing much. How about yourself, yo?
Welll alot of people fall inlove with meetra of are infactuated with her presence her aura her existence
He outright says that he loves her and thats why he wants her dead because it fucks with him way more than it should that if he was to accept said felling fully he might die as the hatred is all that gives him life
In another way
His another lightsaber is rising and it distract him😏🤣
Amazing video my friend as always. I agree with you that Sion did have feelings for Meetra Surik although not saying it that way but in other ways. Sion said he immersed himself in the Exile to know everything about her but not so much on how to defeat your enemy because he was infatuation and obsessed with her. I would have preferred a relationship between Meetra Surik and Atton Rand because they would have made a good couple like Revan and Bastila
I would say he does. A lot of people inside and outside the game seem to love her a great deal so why not Him too.
For all his cracked skin, broken bones and threatening attitude, he really is just a big softie on the inside huh?
Aren't we all deep down :((
SUre..
Another brilliantly put together video 👌🏻Well done, my dude
Thanks, Adam!
I'm not a fan of your takes on SW tv series, even when our conclusions are similar.
KOTOR stuff however? You're a true expert, there is no doubt about it. Especially when you script your videos and avoid rambling around the subject (which is admittedly hard considering how much can be said and appreciated about KOTOR 2). Loved that video, dunno how I missed it in my sub box before.
This was such a good video.
Very good analysis! Thank you!
Thanks! :))
Great video! Such an interesting character Darth Sion is!
I hope they do a remake with kotor 2. There is still a chance this story could be properly fleshed out still. Since we are getting the first one the second isn't out of the scope for it. Especially since you can do so much with it.
I can't be the only one who loves how this guy concludes his videos, it's a nice warm feeling :).
That's a first. Thank you for your kindness :))
Would've been interesting if there was a way to, not so much redeem, but recruit Sion through a super hard to access dialog option where the ending has Sion joining the female exile on her journey into the unknown chasing Revan. I mean I know she's supposed to leave all attachments behind, but having an undying zombie Sith as a companion would be pretty cool. Actually Sion and Atton have that much in common, neither one is able to stay down for long, the only difference is that Sion has force hax.
I don't think there's anyway he can be redeemed without death. Death is his redemption in this sense.
Sion would have been a very helpful asset for the Exile and Revan against Emperor Vitiate.
And!.... Bioware killed her in SWTOR online, she didn't die at malachor V. i would agree sion do really admire the female exile, that was i noticed playing back then when i decide to play a female version. he seems kinda care, there is an option dialogue i think where the exile will ask sion to side with her i dunno if its the mod "Restoration" i install, he will help you or guide you i think from your friends being in prison inside and fight some enemies.
Hmm
At least she came back to finish the things she wanna do in the end int the latest update of the game
Awesome vid!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I always played the male exile so I never knew this so I'm curious about this
Time to play again as a female ;)
same with me. i didnt find out there was a canon pc sex in kotorii til later.
It's a pity "The Acolyte" is in the High Republic and not the Old Republic era, as it could have become Sion's story leading up to and through the events of KOTOR2.
No thanks
Lol so they can ruin those characters !? I'd rather these characters be left alone, than have their stories tarnished.
Disney would ruin it. Cherish what we already have
I would have a crush on the exile too
best KOTOR channel on youtube. no doubt.
Great evaluation of Sion but I think it's more obsession than love.
edit: 🤔 it could be argued that it is from a certain point of view. I'd argue that love is two sided whereas obsession is just the one
Isn't love a form of obsession?
@@100StarWars🤔 it could be argued that it is from a certain point of view. I'd argue that love is two sided whereas obsession is just the one
@@100StarWars No love is kind, and is without envy. Obsession is jealousy and envy and without regard for others feelings because they are so consumed in the obsession.
hey man! video idea, I read that there´s gonna be a Krssantan Comic book, the wookie from the book of bobba fett, what I saw is pretty interesting, would love to hear it from you with your narration skills.
much love and may the force be with you
INcredible analysis
Man that last conversation,
where we find the spooky Darth Maul stand-in mid-emotional collapse, wrapped right back around Kreia's finger and seemingly unable *not* to still wish for her approval despite knowing exactly what's being done to him. Some complicated emotions there
Darth sion
It's been 20 years and I just figured this out 😂
I ship it
I can fix him :)
😂😂
Well, Meetra did fixed him
It’s a shame Sion dies when you redeem him wish he could of joined the exile for the battle against Kreia
As I understood the dialogues he was more in love with Kreia, and in despair that she wouldn't recognize him as someone worthy. Therefore the jealousy towards the Exile and perhaps the guilt concerning what he did to Kreia but that's just supposition.
Did you play as Male Exile?
@@sanzharsain2065 I did both (as far as I remember 😅)
Less "in love with", more "emotionally dependent on". There's a lot of abuse stuff going on there
Cheers
I'm also curious to know how Meetra feels about all that, canonically. Is she indifferent, discussed or happy that his feelings for her seemed to have helped him. I feel it's the later but I could be wrong.
If Darth Sion was once Part of Exar Kun‘s Sith Order does this mean he was a Jedi or Padawan once?
Possibly
Hope so
He was a former Jedi as Exar Kun had fallen Jedi in his army. The Sith disappeared after the Great Hyperspace War and Freedon Nadd only had a small sith following but that too was later destroyed. Everyone that followed Kun were once Jedi
Kreia spazzing out at the beginning there
Darth Vader: you and i are not so different sion
Its been a while I played KOTOR II but I always interpreted Sion's feelings toward Meetra Surik as being nothing more than a consequence of Meetra's passive ability to form force bonds with people.
YES
Darth rivan
I feel pity for Darth Sion since I read a bit of background lore to him and all he wants was to die in honor as he greets death as a friend and he also wants to experience love. He was there among Exar kun and revan rule so he live quite long.
sion looks so good from character design but i think he might not look so good in curent design trends
What do you mean?
@@100StarWars I think he'll look like a more polished version of force unleashed sion then say galaxy of heros sion
What Sions feels not real love, that's an obsession. Love is mutual, and it isn't influenced by a force wound tomfoolery.
This relationship is really tragic and beautiful.
All the side-quest I did in K.O.T.O.R.2 (idk if some of these aren’t side-quest).
(Prologue) Repair 3C-FD: Bonus Mission:
(Prologue) Heal Meetra Surik: Bonus Mission:
(Prologue) Garage access: Bonus Mission:
Galactic History: Bonus Mission
False Batu: Bonus Mission
Pazaak Rules (1 of 2)
Pazaak Fules (2 of 2)
Ghost to rest: Bonus Mission
Sensor search: Bonus Mission
Changing of the guards: Bonus Mission
Farm equipment: Bonus Mission
Cave crawling
Scout Hunt
Missing Mandalorian
Zakkeg Challege
Tech assistance
Rebuild HK-47: Bonus Mission
Sold to the Hutts
Plague carrier
Intergalactic reunification: Bonus Mission
Vogga’s dancers
Will work for fuel
Overtaxed Ithorian
Experiment in delivery: Bonus Mission
Trade war: Bonus Mission
New trade routes: Bonus Mission
Recent history: Bonus Mission
Suspicious goods
TSF Bounty: Batond has vanished
High stakes
TSF Bounty: Escaped criminals
New fuel source
Can you please do a video on the theory that Kreia is the handmaiden mother
@100% Star Wars you don't have to answer this if you don't want to but I would really like to know if when the KOTOR REMAKE comes out will you do some content on that as well? Or will you stick to only OG KOTOR?
Oh you can expect a ridiculous amount of KOTOR Remake content hahaha
Doesn’t Darth Sion came from around the era of the Exar Kun war?
Yea
@@100StarWars
I was thinking, if Darth Sion would be in the K.O.T.O.R.1 remake, then here’s my fanifc.
He’s in the Sith Acedamy (misspelling) on Korriban, training a new generation of Sith (if he would).
Prodigal Knignt Revan meet’s him and Darth Sion talk’s to Prodigal Knignt Revan about how Darth Revan was far better leader then Darth Malak and give’s some insight on who Darth Revan was and that would be expanded upon in K.O.T.O.R.2 remake.
Idk
@@100StarWars
I’m reading the Freedon Nadd uprising comic book’s, like it so far.
Edited:
Finished it, liked it.
My friend if you don't mind me saying I'm playing KOTOR 2 now and I got out of the Sith Academy after encountering Darth Sion but now I'm in a cave fighting creatures and I don't know why. After leaving Telos I went to Korriban instead of going to Nar Shaddaa to get a lightsaber because I fought Sion with swords but I'm managed to get through it. I've been playing this game like and forgive me again like what I saw in Darthycey's videos because Meetra after leaving Telos is joined by the Handmaiden Brianna and goes to Korriban to look for Master Vaash. I only recently found out that if you use the female Exile then Brianna can't join you as a companion unless you use the male Exile. The game is different from what I've watched in the fan videos but I'm still trying and wish I had a lightsaber
You need all 3 parts then talk to bao-dor
Korriban should be the last planet. Go to Dantooine first where you can get a lot of crystals, lightsaber upgrade parts, and your personal crystal. You should have all the parts for a lightsaber before you leave and your prestige class.
Dark Lord of the Simps
The friend zone is STRONG within you
Jk. But only kinda. He wants to break and kill you if you're a male, and protects you if you're female. I remember this. I thought it was corny at the time. But I kinda wish it had been explored deeper. He was the lord of pain the Exile was also living in a perpetual sort of pain. The Exile lived on without the Force, Darth Sion embraced the pain using the Force. Kreia hated him because his strength was a lie.
I also wished that the male Exile had more of a romantic sub plot with Atris to counter this. Like how Revan used love to save Bastila, why not the Exile do the same for Atris. It was clear she and the male Exile had these feelings for each other.
Tragically great game that could have surpassed KotOR I if it had been given its due. Half assed but still epic, how epic is that?
Something else that could have been explored was the multiple romantic options for both male and female Exiles. What if you had to choose one over the others? Atris, Visas, Handmaiden or Sion, Atton, Disciple, Visas. Could have been awesome.
Its a shame Sion could not linger long enough to witness Krea's downfall.
More like twisted Phallicy!! 2:10
Naughty
Sorry, not my FemExile's type whatsoever. (Also, am more of a MaleExile main, what with my disillusionment on the idea of a "Meetra Surik".)
In the meantime, guess Sion just did a, so to fandomishly speak, Helga Pataki/Fate Testarossa/Amity Blight
Mikra surik for us make chads
Opposites attract
Well, if it worked for couples like Luz and Amity, so be it.
On second thought, who would even properly love Darth Sion?
@@michaelandreipalon359 lol
Perhaps
I think the term "Hate Boner" applies here.
Things like this are the reason why female gameplay is much better in KOTOR 2. I feel as if though it's meant to be canon, and absolutely agree on the fact it is. However, she truly was ruined post-KOTOR 2
Is no one gonna mention my complex relationship with atris
what's your favorite EU book
Comics excluded?
@@100StarWars both book and comic
Light side or dark side for female exile ?
Female Exile playthrough
Atris: You are the reason the Jedi and the Republic is failing 😡
Darth Sion: I hate you because you are beautiful to me ☺️
Meetra: why do I even bother with these schuttas
Male Exile playthrough
Atris: You are the reason the Jedi and the Republic is failing 😊
Darth Sion: I WILL KILL YOU 🤬
Male exile: Why do I even bother with these schuttas
Ain't in love with my one he was a man
I didnt know the story is so different if you play as a female!
I can't fault Sion, Meetra is pretty bad
👎😎 you are so wrong my little friend. Sion has almost the same dialog with the male exile as well, in the end he don't want you to be broken by Krea as he was. And it doesn't matter if you play as a male or a female. The only difference is that he doesn't lust after the male exile, but he lusts after the female exile.
he wanted that jedi exilussy. (dont block me plx)
Oh
Well I want atris poon so I don't blame you
Darth Sion was a masochist who nearly became the first SIMPlord as his anger and pain almost became love and lust when Meetra Surik struck him down several times? Sion was so ashamed, he was convinced to let himself go and die?
Why everything in life has to have gender perspective vand we guys are the ones always getting our blood claimed.
Of course he didn't love her , he just wanted to grab her and play hide the gundarck.
Doesnt make that our protagonist kinda Mary Sue? :-/
Seems cheap that every male in game gets to love her ...
And i cant help the feeling it diminishes the character of Sion aswell ... finaly some interesting Sith, and they have to make him "fall in love" with a Jedi. -_-
BTW ...
Have you noticed the cute paralel between him and Aton?
Aton was killer of Jedi, until one showed him how much she loves him ... and as you can say to Atton when you are dark one: She just found your weaknes and used it against you.
Why woukd it make her a mary sue?
I'm not a Gary stu
@@100StarWars
What else? Every man falling in love with her ... everything she makes perfectly ... no hard problems with anything. :D
Um. Same is true for male exile, no? I remember male gamers loved that two girls were fighting over their self insert male exile.
@@smellycatbutts :(
wtf did i just watch
The answering of an important questions
Instead of darth sion more like darth Simpon
It’s a shame Sion dies when you redeem him wish he could of joined the exile for the battle against Kreia