Installing STI 6 Piston Brembo front brakes VB WRX, DIRECT BOLT ON Paragon Rotors no SPACER!
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2023
- How to install STI Brakes on a VB WRX without using a 7.5 mm rotor spacer. Paragon Brakes was nice enough to work with my UA-cam channel and develop a 2 piece rotor that fits perfectly with the Brembo Calipers. Paragon Brakes offers rotors to work with 4 or 6 Piston STI Brembo brakes. Installing Rotora brake lines on my VB WRX. These Rotora stainless steel lines will give better brake pedal feel and feedback. With $48,000 price tag on the 2024 WRX TR. This is a nice option for the VB community.
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Sorry you have been so burnt out! From a former VA and current VB owner, I really appreciate what you do. You give the average joe the confidence to do these installs ourselves.
Hell yeah brother, nice to hear you say that. It make me feel motivated to continue making more videos like these for the community. Thanks for watching and for your support.👍
Gold wheels all day!!! Thanks for all the vb videos we all really appreciate the videos!!!!
Glad you like them! You very welcome. I try to make the best and most informative content possible. Thanks for watching.
Im planning on getting a VB and keeping it stock during the warranty, but watching you transform your vb is so cool to see. I get to live vicariously thru you and your car. Keep up the great work!
Awesome! Thank you! And congrats on deciding to get yourself a VB, you will love this platform. Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy the mod videos.
Came out good my friend
Cannot wait to finish this video after work! This is the exact brake setup I want!
Heck yeah man, that is awesome! I just finished installing the rear brakes tonight and the car feels beyond amazing now. So glad I decided to get with the set up, it was money well spent! Thanks for watching. 👍
I found your channel about a month ago...you made some quality videos. Keep up the good work.
Much appreciated! Glad to hear you are enjoying my channel content. Lots more to come, thanks for watching.
Bro!!! You absolutely crushed it in this video. Best one for sure.
I appreciate that! Glad to hear you enjoyed this video. I spent quite a bit of time to cover everything the VB community would need to know. I recently upgrade the front pads to a track oriented pad, takes the VB to the next level again. ua-cam.com/video/AirmE6Okg84/v-deo.html
Your editing and demeanor were on point for your best video to date. Keep them coming.
Built not bought, yes sir! I bought the base for that exact reason. I wanted to have money to do some mods. So far it has been mostly aesthetic as I want to ride the warranty for a bit but you have definitely been my go to for any base model content, pretty much anytime I question if I want to do something to my car I just search your channel lol
I am glad to hear you have been finding my channel as a good resource for VB WRX information. Glad to know other VB Base owners were thinking the same thing as be when I bought my car. The last thing I need to do is some aesthetic mod like yourself to finish my car up.🔧
I prefer the ce28s! But man awesome video. Thanks for all the content you have been pumping out 🙏🏽
I am really liking the contrast of the CE28's wheel color next to the STI calipers. It makes the brakes pop. I think the STI golds would take away from the calipers. Glad to hear your enjoying my WRX videos. Lots more on the way. Thanks for watching.👍
Looks great. Im jelly 😎
Thanks! 😃 They definitely give the car a more aggressive look. just finished installing the rear brakes last night. Car feels so much better.
Thanks for the video. Happy with the results? Unsure with the standard vb rims here in Aus what fitment would work but a cool upgrade.
Yes super happy with the brakes. I have had the fronts on for 5 days now and just installed the rears last night. Brake set up is awesome. If you have the 18" wheels you can install longer wheel studs and run a wheel spacer.
Lots of great info about the swap! Looks awesome, likely works even better!
On a side note, if you ever decide you no longer need that Prova/Eifel Super Taikyu poster in the back ground, I’d purchase it in a second! 🤩
Yes, the STI brakes feel awesome on the car and they give me much more confidence in my car. Wish Subaru offered these as a sports package upgrade from the dealership. I have not plans on selling my posters unfortunately. I bought all my posters from www.statesidegarage.com/ They will probably have some JDM stuff and posters you will have to have.
I like the STI Wheels.
Thanks for the feedback, I will get myself a set of 3mm wheel spacers from Perrin.
Thanks for the video. I was waiting for someone to put one out with the Paragon rotors. Btw, the brake bleed order isn't farthest away from the master cylinder to the closest on the VB. The brake bleed order is different on these cars. You may want to verify that and do a follow up video on the correct order and brake bleed procedure.
thanks for the info about bleeding order. Someone else was also nice enough to let me know. I will back out in the garage tomorrow and re bleed the brakes. Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed the video.
Sick!
Thanks, I love how much better those brakes feel the wheel opening. The difference in braking power is incredible. 🔧
Thank you for doing this video. It helps people so much. It’s honestly something that they should’ve done from the factory. Could you use EBC brake pads?
You are so welcome! Wish Subaru would offer a Brembo brake sports package at least as a dealer option. I am sure some EBC pads would work in there. I just installed a set of new Paragon pads in the front a few weeks ago. They feel amazing vs the OEM pads. ua-cam.com/video/I8gfoe_I3YQ/v-deo.html
Interested to see if you decide to increase the size of the rear rotors. I think the GT models come with larger rear brakes, so that should allow for upgrade room on the manuals. Potentially adding some thermal headroom and stability under load. Or it's potentially completely useless.
Regardless, good video man! Looks fantastic!
Thanks for the feedback. I believe the GT model is equipt with the same exact brakes as all the rest of the WRX lineup. The TR will be the first to introduce larger brakes. I did just finish installing the rear STI Brembo brakes tonight. They are 1.5 inch larger in diameter over the stock one I took off. Car feels perfect in my opinion. Thanks for watching, see you on the next one.👍
@@JDMRightHandDrive That may be the case. My info is second hand from Sarah-n-Tuned. Here's a timestamp: ua-cam.com/video/19EQ-N-Kloc/v-deo.htmlsi=xHQceGn8xhz7SyXC&t=294 .
She mentions the "Eyesight-equipped" models have a larger rotor in the back. Not GT specifically, my mistake.
EDIT: That said, I'm going STI brembos too 😂
You did an amazing job filming all this! Thank you for making it so detailed and its absolutely beautiful because my car is WRB too and I would have chosen the neon green myself. Only thing I think you missed was the torque spec for the 6 piston brake caliper itself. What spec is it spose'd to be? Also, I think I asked you this on Instagram but can you try and fit the OEM wheels with these? I know you had the 17" for the Base, but I have the Limited with 18" and I'm wondering if it's enough clearance. The VOLK wheels are the win, love that color on the car, it really makes the brakes pop whereas the gold are very very distracting.
I totally forgot about test fitting the stock 17 inch wheels for you. I sold the stock wheels about a month ago. The 17's definitely would not fit with out a spacer and I don't think they would have enough clearance to fit around the 6 piston calipers. I think your 18's would fit with a spacer and maybe longer studs. If your going to spend the money for this type of brake system, you should get yourself a nice set of wheels as well. As far as the torque spec, I read on line that it was over 100 ft lb. That seamed to me like a good way to strip the aluminum threads in the calipers and from what I read that was a misprint for the torque spec on the internet. I went with 60 ft lbs on mine. I didn't want to say because I don't want anyone blaming me for them stripping out their calipers by over torqueing . I like the Volk wheels as well. I think I am going to sell my STI wheels and get myself some 18 with a +38 offset and make those my daily set. So glad to hear you enjoy the detail I put into this. Definitely was a lot of unanswered questions with upgrading the VB to STI brakes that needed to be answered for the community. Thanks for your support and for watching my videos. Lots more to come. 👍
@@JDMRightHandDriveAbsolutely, your channel is a blast to watch and I watched it all the way to the end while having my dinner. That's great info, thanks! I am getting into autocross and one day I'd like to get myself nicer wheels, like you said, that can accommodate brakes like these if I'm going to pursue it one day. It's a little daunting buying some used Brembos from ebay... Like, what condition are they truly in? And how do I know if what I buy is going to fit up exactly?
The car looks awesome with those brakes. Bravo!!! I think the gold wheels look best.... are the gold ones 18inch? I want to do this conversion but don't want to do new wheels at the same time
Yes the gold STI wheels are 18x9 +55. I like the golds too, cant decide if I want to sell the STI for wheel with more aggressive offset +38.
Fastwrx also makes rotors for the 4 and 6 pot Brembos....for the VB
Good to know, I will have to check those out. I am waiting for Subaru to release an OEM part number front brake rotor for the 2024 WRX TR. I believe these will be a direct bolt on OEM rotor for the older STI 6 pistons.
Gold 😊
STI golds, noted. Thanks for your feedback Duncan.🔧
Awesome, this is EXACTLY what I was looking for!!! :) EDIT: Do you have a solution for the rear, or doesn't it need it?
Yeah I finished up the rear STI brake install as well. ua-cam.com/video/-csvGL1Q6dA/v-deo.html
I like the gold wheels better looks the part. CE's are good too just played out I have 2 sets so no hate 😂
Good to know, thanks for the feedback. And damn 2 sets of CE28's, that's awesome!
Looks great! I’m sure they function even better. Question, with your wheel setup of +35, and the paragon rotor pushing out the wheel +7.25mm more, how does your offset appear? To my understanding you’d be at a +31.5 offset now. Trying to get a flush look with no poke.
The Paragon rotors do not push the wheels out +7.25mm. They are the same offset as the factory rotors. Its the 2 piece rotor top hat that changes where the disc itself sits. This is a direct bolt on set up with stock fitment. So don't worry there is no poke out of the wheel, its a nice flush fitment.
Hey! Great vid. I have a question: after buying the rotors is this a direct bolt on? I saw you briefly mention the bolts are different for the knuckle… can you clarify? Thanks!
Yeah the Paragon rotors are a direct bolt on to the VB WRX with STI calipers. No mods are required and no rotor spacers. I have a full parts list with links in the description for everything I used in the video. Thanks for watching.
Keep in mind anything past 3 mm spacer you need extended studs
Good to know, thanks for the feedback. I might get the Perrin 3mm spacers or sell my STI wheels for a different set with +38 offset.
Hey do you know of paragon makes for the rear STI calipers? Or is it even worth upgrading the rear? Thank you for making this super beneficial
Your welcome and so glad you found the video to be helpful. I spoke to Paragon last month about that and they said they do not ever plan to build rear 2 piece rotors for the VA VB STI brake set up Unfortuntually. Have fun with your VB and thanks for watching. 👍
@@JDMRightHandDrive did you just use the normal STI rears? I just bought all the goodies to do this exact install
Rotors is what I’m asking, sorry for confusion
Gold STI wheels. Try some iron decon to get that crud off the wheels.
I bought the Griot's Garage wheel cleaner which is supposed to break up those metals and help clean it off. I will buy some iron decon and give that a go. STI golds, thanks for the feedback. Looks like a need some wheel spacers from Perrin. Thanks for watching.
I just bought some 2021 brembos, waiting to see if paragon do a black Friday.
Can i get away using the stock lines? Id prefer stainless but they are a pain to source
stock line work, it bolts right in!
Yes, you can use the stock lines they will mount right up for you. If you want to go stainless SubiMods has them on their website for you to easily order. Happy Holliday's and have fun with your brake install.
Great video! Do you need spacers for the rotors? How much are the rotors?
No spacer is required, directly bolts on the car like factory rotors. Rotors run $950 paragonbrakes.com/2-piece-rotors-front-pair-340x30mm-suits-2022-wrx-suits-oem-6-piston-caliper-swap/ Thanks for watching and have fun with your VB.👍
Not sure what aero you wanted but I have a WRB oem lip spoiler since I upgraded to a bigger lip on the trunk. Let me know would love to help the build!
I am not exactly sure what I want at this point. I like the looks of carbon fiber. Been looking at the APR stuff for my car.
Second question... do the 19" STI wheels (2018-2019 I think) clear the caliper without a spacer?
I installed the GR STI BBS 18" wheel on my car since I I made the video and they did require a 3mm spacer up front to clear the calipers. I would think the 2019+ STI wheel fitment would be similar to those since they are also +55 offset.
@@JDMRightHandDrive sound like a bell housing update might be in order then. EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood, didn't realize that GR BBS were the wheels in the video.
@@JDMRightHandDriveMorning! I emailed Paragon yesterday regarding the bell housing, and they confirmed that for a small additional fee, they will make a custom bell housing, so a spacer won't be needed for certain wheels.
I still need to figure out if I need the space for the 19" STI wheels, but I am super happy about this from Paragon. They may have another customer come new year.
Thanks so much for sharing your work!
Would love to have these but man the price on replacement parts 😱
Yes, definitely expensive for replacement parts. That's why I am going to run the stock Brembo pads, they are not no aggressive on the rotors and should last me a few years. Thanks for watching my channel.
if just change the 2 front caliper, does it required to bleed both rear caliper too? or just front calipers is good?
That's awesome congrats on your new front brakes. Personally I would bleed the rears just to make sure there is no air in the system.
Will the STI rotors and cal I personally work with the stock 18s
I dont think they would fit the the stock VB 18" wheels unless you run extended wheel studs and spacers.
Nicely done Josh. I’m jealous. Next upgrade: UA-cam scene transitions. Ditch the OEM hand in the camera lens. 😉 Perfect opportunity to add something unique to your channel.
Glad to hear you like those Brembo's. Thanks for the feedback, I will work on a new unique transition for my channel. See you on the next one. 🔧
Hey brotha thinking of doing the same will this work with the stock premium rims?
I would think with an extended wheel spacer kit you would be able to use the Subaru 18" wheels.
Do you have any backdoor contact details for paragon....??? They are hard people to get ahold of
Yes I have this email address which goes directly to Coco, who was the person that helped me set everything up for the VB WRX rotors. I also provided measurements so the fitment is perfect now vs the prototype rotors I have. info@paragonbrakes.com Thanks for watching and have fun with your VB mods. 👍
So does this need 19” wheels? Or will 18” work? I’m running 18x9.5+35.
My Volk wheels are 18x9+35. These also fit with my 2013 STI BBS wheels with just a 3mm wheel spacer.
What wheel specs do you need to probably clear the big brakes? 19”? Or is 18” aftermarket ok?
My wheels are 18x9+35. The BBS STI wheels are 18x8.5+55, but those will need a 3mm spacer to fit. I would imagine most 18+ wheels would work with a +38 offset.
I was like, oh man are my enkei's going to clear? They're 18x8.5 +38 so yeah this comment really put me at ease haha. @@JDMRightHandDrive
@@OsightblinderOI did 4/2 set-up but it didn’t clear in the front. Tried 3mm spacers but still didn’t work. Wheels are Rays 57DR, 18*9.5, 38mm.
Gold wheels look better, plus was that a RB30 on the rack?
That is the head off of my RB26 from my 1991 Nissan Skyline GTR. I am in the process of a full HKS 2.8 step 2 stroker kit single turbo build. It will be an RB28, I wish I had an RB30, maybe someday. Thanks for watching.
@@JDMRightHandDriveThat crazy that you have a skyline, my dream car to own a R34 or 32. I thought I was tripping see the skyline in the driveway. Then another engine on the rack with the HKS I assume it was RB30.
Damn. Nice rotors. The car should have come with at least 13-13.5" rotors. The OEM pads have already destroyed the rotors.
The Paragon Rotors are 340mm or 13.3 inches. Stock Brembo pads are not very aggressive on the rotors compared to track pads. Both front and rear rotors are working and looking perfect to me.
What is the torque specs for the front? Im finding 80 to 88.5 ft/pounds
I was finding lots of things online that said 100+ ft lbs. Those torque settings seemed like a good way to strip out the calipers aluminum threading. Personally I torqued my to 60 ft lbs and put some medium hugh temp Loctite on the caliper bolts. I didn't want to share the info because I could not find a specific recommended torque from Subaru and didn't want anyone to damage their calipers from over torqueing and blame me. Just installed the rear brakes a few days ago. The VB feels so good now. That video will be coming mid week. Thanks for watching and have fun with your car.
@@JDMRightHandDrive Torque spec for the neon brembos is 88.5 foot pounds . just FYI
www.bremboparts.com/europe/en/support/car-fitting/instruction-for-installation-of-the-gt-kit-290709
Also, uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190302/dc44c3cd84489bc83496b38bc5a2e5a2.jpg
annoying that you can't just option this brake upgrade on a lower trim WRX today.
I agree with you on that. I would love to see Subaru offer a STI brakes sports package on any trim of WRX. Was a little hard to figure everything out, but it was well worth the effort. My car feels amazing with the STI BBK.
Will these fit behind the oem 17 wheels?
I dont think they would fit with the 17 inch wheels.
If they don’t clear your gold Sti wheels I know someone who would like to buy them. 😊
Hey Rick thanks for the help, but I am keeping the STI golds. Going to take the Michelin PS4S tires off my Skyline Nismo wheels and run them on the BBS golds on WRX with a Perrin 3mm spacer. That will be a good set of daily driver wheels with some tires that will last a while. Thanks for watching.
Where can I find oem sti brakes?
You can purchase them brand new from any Subaru dealership. I bought myself a nice used set off of ebay. I linked all the parts in the description for you guys.
how about just buy a TR?
You can if you like, but I am not spending 50k on a Subaru myself. There are better platforms out there for that kind of money.
Rotora is the worst company I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with, and that says A LOT lol.
Sorry that you had a bad experience with them. I send Rotora an email inquiring about brake lines for my set up. They called me within 30 minutes and made me a set of lines, which I received 2 days later. Personally my experience was good with them. I was thankful to finally hear back from a company. I spent several weeks reaching out to various companies asking for information in which brake lines would fit and all I got was crickets. This was one of the biggest hold ups for me completing this project sooner, so I was very happy Rotora provided me with the information and parts I needed to finish my install. Thanks for watching and thanks for your support.
@@JDMRightHandDrive They sold me a pair of rotors that cracked all the way from the hat to the edge in multiple places around the rotor in a few short weeks. They made every attempt at blaming me, and even tired to get me to pay to ship them back! This back and forth lasted weeks if I remember correctly. Finally I gave up and told them I would keep driving on them, and they can answer for themselves in court when they come apart and cause an accident. Suddenly they were interested in sending me replacements... guess what? Did exactly the same thing. Worst company I've ever dealt with.
What a waste of $350. I've never been able to crack another rotor...... but yeah you're right Rotora, it's my fault 🤣
What suspension do you have? I really like the fitment
My car has the Eibach ProKit lowering springs with factory struts. Its about a 1 inch drop front and back. Thanks for watching.
@@JDMRightHandDrive I've always read that lowering springs destroy ur stock suspension and ride quality becomes worse. Are those exaggerations? In a perfect world we all get coils but they're pretty pricey. Also how much does the lowering springs labor+parts cost? Thanks a lot!