Why I Didn't Buy An STI...
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Why I Didn't Buy A Subaru WRX STI...
And why I bought a 2022 Subaru WRX instead. Yes, it was between a VB WRX and a STI, and yes, I went with the VB.
I also talk about my plans about buying a 2015-2021 VA Subaru WRX and rebuilding it.
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I've watched Smeedia build his VA STI into the monster it is today and watched all his VB content. He sadly has mentioned he's not into FA engines and loves his EJ's, and recently sold his VB. So I'd definitely watch you build/Fix a VA and mod up your VB. I'm sure there are probably people out there that would as well! Especially those VB drives like myself
I dont think everyone understands why the sti is special. If your into straight line speed, auto trans and assisted steering, then the sti isnt for you. For me its the raw feeling of the sti and how it makes me feel while driving it, with car seats in the back.
The TR solves some of those issues
@@handle3179the price tag doesn’t make sense though
I've had both. I think the VB is a better car, but I still prefer the feeling of STI.
@@TheOBDMafia it’s 2024, how does it not make sense?
@@603VB the TR is 41-42K… this price makes sense to you for bbks and big 19s you will change anyways ….not seeing the value imo
Cool to hear you’re going back to a VA wrx 💯
Even Subaru Motorsport USA and VSC haven't switched to the FA engine for their cars yet. They're still running EJ based engines. In Australia, it's the same story - many of our rally drivers are still running EJ based STIs.. Compared to the STI, the VB has lifeless steering, an engine hobbled by emissions standards and some pretty weak brakes. Nice as a tame daily driver, but if you put one up against an STI, its shortcomings become very obvious.
One thing I miss about the VA is the hydraulic power steering, it gave you such good feedback. The steering on the VB is too filtered, you loose that good raw feedback coming from the wheels.
I agree!
I a question for you and also all of the viewers. When you build cars do you buy the parts and take it to a shop or do you install yourself? I dont know much about how to work on cars besides changing oil and i could figure out some of the cosmetic stuff, but engine wise, what do most of you all do?
Hell yeh would love to watch the build .
Yes I would like to see it. I have a VA 2021 and I would like to see what you are going to do with a VA FA20
Great! Yeah I am still up in the air on how I will build it from a performance perspective, but that’s the plan!
I didn’t like the STI until I got one, the dccd and trans and breaks are worth the extra cost. Everyone always end up just turning their wrx into sti anyways ( eventually) so it’s like why not just start with an sti. The EJ sounds so good. Love the videos!
It's the same reason brought up in the video. You might as well just buy a better sports car when you're in the $40-50k range.
An "STI" is still a Subaru WRX.
@@clay180sti is an sti, nothing close to wrx , only the body shape, sti is a different vehicle, Sti is not for everyone
@@Atlan_tis voice of reason, if the new wrx was so good why they always trying to compare it to an Sti? It should be a class above and why stick an Sti wing on it trying to make it look
Like an Sti? 🤷♂️. Just an opinion though.
@@Mav646 exactly, if VB was so good, what is left for them is to steal STi emblem and stick it to VB 😅 , if you watched Bader build videos, stock EJ25 handled 1000hp, I can’t say the same for FA24 and VB transmission
@@Atlan_tis it’s wrx cope! At least acknowledge the Sti is a superior car. If you wanna say it’s cheaper to make power on a vb then at least that’s valid. It seems the only thing is stop light to stoplight speed that they think makes the wrx better. I can make a civic fast too it’s still a civic. So basically the wrx is better yet it don’t have have the brakes, the suspension, the diff, the trans, the driving modes but it’s cheaper to make power. Well if that what determines a cars worth I’ve seen some cheap cars making big power.
+1 for wrecked VA rebuild
I’d watch the wrecked WRX rebuild for sure
Oh absolutely, let’s do the build. Should be a great project
I got mine in 2017 and still own mine. It will never beat RS, Ms, Hellcats and modified infinitis without dropping a ton of money. I kept mine simple. Stock location upgraded turbo and equal headers. Makes a fun daily and solid set up for a year. Will never do the built engine shit. I have mine balanced with tons of braces, suspension mods and transmission upgrades.
Also it’s a car I grew up with. First wanted an 06-07 STI or Evo 9 in high school. Owned two EvoXs as well.
Just had a 22 premium Supra and got rid of it because of the fact that the ECU is locked which is easily 3-4k to clone the ECU before any mods, got the STI instead
The fa24 is so much better than the ej25, Id rather sti drivetrain swap a vb than buy another sti.
The STI is king when it comes to High HP. It from a racing and power delivery stand point It has port injection compared to the WRX Direct injection. Because of the injector complexity and cylinder pressure it limits the fuel delivery with the FA. You have to add additional fueling which means motec and thats ~7k not to mention you will still need a STI drivetrain to handle the additional hp.
Now power is not everything but 400hp which is what is shown the FA can really make under FBO conditions is going to be slow…. Slow compared to most cars in its class if it they FBO.
Um 400whp is not full bolt in with a VB. The VB can make 400whp on the STOCK fuel system and can also run ethanol on the stock fuel system. 400 hp is attainable with a TMIC, intake, cat back, mid pipe and a tune. You can’t do that with a VA STI, sorry.
So from my experience, I traded in my 21 STI for a 20 Supra, drove it for 2 weeks and traded that in for a 23 WRX Premium. Supra was my dream car, drove smooth and fast and had the looks. On the other hand it was auto and it got boring very quick despite the power it had. I concluded I can DD a used civic to work if I wanted a Auto. I could not justify spending 50k on a car that does the same thing as a civic to/from work. Please if you can take a supra for a few days to see what its like to daily, the hype wore off fast and I was stumped, personally if you own a Supra keep the wrx to fill the manual void when you need it. I get more enjoyment out of a manual even if the VB is ugly. The second I drove off with the WRX it felt normal and right. VB makes great power and a few simple cosmetic mods will change it to look better. Tint goes a long way on these cars. So far I'm at 800 miles and can't wait to rip it after 1k break in!
Funny seeing this comment because I literally just traded in my 22 Supra for a 2020 STI, I missed my 2020 WRX so bad and although I owned the Supra for 2 years it just got boring
@@jesseparks8143 welcome back to the subie fam! I am in the market to find a good 20/21 STI myself again! I love the VB but I miss the rawness and rumble of the STI😅
Of course, buy the cars that YOU want to own. But as far as content goes, UA-cam has plenty of VA builds already. Dustin Williams just did the most extreme VA WRX build possible a few weeks ago. It has an IAG engine done with videos at IAG and a Varis widebody.
Of course Smeedia and Devin Nemala have entire catalogs of top tier Subaru builds. MotionAuto Trevor just bought an ‘11 hatch and is talking about going all out with a built engine and whatnot. The list goes on.
If you want to stick with Subaru then get an imported JDM GC8 STI or build a USDM GC8 2.5RSTI. Those would be super entertaining to watch.
If you want views then a GR Corolla, Integra Type S or the new Z would be the cars that haven’t been done to death already. Supra build series were already a thing that people got tired of like 2 years ago. You might be able to still get views with a GR86/2nd gen BRZ if you do a very nice build, or a GT86 if you do a very extreme build with an engine swap.
I'm curious why you wouldn't just buy a wrecked sti?
I have both 2005 wrx and sti 2015 cool
I have and 06 wrx and most likely buying an 2016/2017 STI within a months time from now
Make a build purely out of a VB that's the content the Subaru community wants to see.
Honestly rather just see you build out your VB
Wrecked build is cool , but I appreciate the drives and talking about the performance. Not actually watching someone wrench. And cosmetic mods as are not my bag.
How is the bmw so reliable with modding? It's not actually a Toyota.
I see a lot of STI's for around 35K in my area (VA). I don't see the STI vs Supra comparison as relevant. If this discussion is speed/power per dollar you can't beat a Mustang. Supra's are cool, I would prefer to see a VA STI build vs a wrx.
Supra already has a turbo on it mustang tops at 600hp and needs substantial work. The Supra takes minimal cost to get to those numbers plus.
Supra is 2 seat
Supra is kick ass love my 22 wrx just gonna drive it without tune if I want faster have to get a Supra or an Acura S 324 horsepower out the gate with s manual
Wrecked VBs must exist by this point.
the real sti's ended in 2007. it didnt get more raw than those cars, even the mechanical boost guage. miss my 06 every day. the new stuff, my 23' wrx don't fill the void
Do newer cars feel that much insulated? I still have my 06 STi with 161k miles... excessive oil consumption so I'm putting Type RA short block in it since I'm going to keep it forever....but then I saw Cobb Stg 1 tune for VB and it was gaining nearly 20% HP just from a tune, and makes me stop and think about these cars.
Good for the wrecked wrx… what about a wrecked sti?
Ive thought about it, but rebuilding an EJ just feels like one of those projects that you have to do once, then twice, then maybe again haha
I did.. mmmm not a VA...... get an EJ and rebuild it :) 07 Hawkeye or something lighter than a VA.
VB WRX dont have the premium feel of the VA sti. it feels rather cheap, but its not shit. would love to daily the VB and keep the VA STI for special occasionl
Dont buy another VA. Buy a GC8 and FA24 swap it.
STI owners gotta have throw away money. Only reason to buy a VB. No comparison vs STI, WRX VA yeah. New VB is awesome for a WRX, STI it is not💯
You can get a very nice low mileage sti for less than 40k and everyone always talks about the power power power. The sti has great brakes, a much better transmission with lsds the dccd, with a great gearbox that is actually enjoyable to row through gears, hydraulic steering that has much more feel, oem suspension gives good performance and looks good at the stock ride height. Not to mention it looks better and sounds way better. (Vb owner here) using the power argument is silly because the sti has so many other good qualities. You can buy an sti put an exhaust on it, intake if you want, tune it and you have a beautiful sounding car with great feel, great handling, looks good, and has alot of personality. In short if you buy a nice sti you can do minimal modifications exhaust and tune. The VB doesnt have the steering feel, yoi need to spend alot of money for good breaks, you can make power but the transmission is a weak point and the gearbox feel is weak as well so you have to modify that, it sits too high and only really actually looks great when lowered with wheels thats more money plus the power mods an exhaust and tune. Thats alot of money and there is more than just hp can you make my 2000 em1 handles better than my vb, you can feel what the tires are doing, the gearbox is better and while it may have 160hp its way more fun to rip around than my vb. My GR hatch intake exhaust tune was faster than my vb and much more fun to drive....so idk why its always about the power and the sti is not equal in price to a supra which btw doesnt have four doors and cant be enjoyed all year during all seasons and all weather unless you love down south soo long rant but i disagree...some key points were missed here
The VB is better than a VA STi. It’s just a better car as a daily driver. Just as fast as an STi, better suspension, better chassis, and a way nicer interior. The tranny on the VA STi is better though, I’ll give you that.
@@SuzukiKid400 well, some of this is opinion surely. It definitely is a more comfortable car. It does have a better chassis but to bring out the best in it, you need work. My point is stock for stock an STI is a better performance car(not talking straight line) it is more engaging, it has more feel and aside from reaching 330-400whp/tq with a few mods, without the transmission, drivetrain, brakes it is lacking alot. The hydraulic steering, the lsds do alot handling wise. Aside from making a ton more power you can buy an STI throw an exhaust on it, tune it and a few minor swaybar modifcations, swaybar mounted to the chassis etc a few simple things and your set and the sti has alot more personality but don't get me wrong if the VB came with the STI drivetrain, brakes, adaptive suspension, if you could actually get a MT with recaros a more power stock even around 310-335whp it would be amazing and would probably outperform the type r, the GR Corolla etc. but they really messed up imo. The powerband is nice, it does handle very well but it has very little steering feedback, stock it is very bland it isn't engaging that 6k redline is aweful, brakes etc etc. if you just want alot of power easily well I understand or if you want a more comfortable daily with a little fun and you say its faster or just as fast as the sti thats not where im coming from. I'm talking about driver input, feedback, feel, and performance the STI has put of the box you can buy one and do very little and have a very fun well performing car and the VB may be faster but around a track the STI is still going to perform better around a track doing laps. I like both I just am disappointed the VB needs so much to get there. I'm very focused on the driving dynamics and feel of a car and less on power, power is important but I'd take an STi with an intake, DP, exhaust and tune over a VB with 350-400whp/tq because after all that money on an intake, tune maybe exhaust you still have brakes and alot more $$$ to spend. I wish to God they put the STI drivetrain, brakes, and from factory gave it 310-330whp id never let it go i can easily overlook the styling for that but all of it combined its disapointing we have to spend money to make it look and perform better and void the warranty to really bring out the fun hidden inside the vb
This is my first time commenting on UA-cam I never do lol so just fyi I understand what your saying. I like the VB alot I have one I just can't help but feel disappointed and I would love to build it but it just takes a lot of $$$ and I'm debating going through with it or keeping in stock and trading it in eventually. Really, I would need to drive a modified VB to see if that would bring out that excitement and feel I'm looking for
Didn't want to buy an STI used because there's no way I can trust the previous owner to have not hooned the hell out of it. It would have had to be completely bone stock. Sadly Subaru decided to discontinue so I just went with a GR Corolla instead...
People just need to justify there purchase lol 😂 if the VB was all that Smediia would of never sold his for a 911 #Factz
I watched the whole vid
love it!
Supra?!? Now you are talking
Yup build a VA
Sounds like a plan! Any particular aspects to the build you would want to see? Parts? Power approach? Etc?
If you get in the high 40s you can get 340i,rs3,mustang gt,392, e90 m3, f80 m3 the list goes on
Yes this cars way better my opinion vs VB, if we talking about STi then is a different story
@@Atlan_tisyou are genuinely so annoying in all of the comments I must say. Congrats you love your STI that you’ve already blown your motor on. Still probably slower than my VB… if you aren’t at least in the 500 WHP range with the STI then what’s there to brag about? If the owner has done the investing to put down power to clear a tune VB then that’s different!!! So yes the VB is a great option for CHEAP DAILY POWER. You will beat MOST STI’s on the road that don’t have a decent amount of work on them. I understand the goodies the STI brings to the table… the car wants to be on a track but 99% of us aren’t driving on a track. The VB is king over the STI when it comes to a cheap power daily. It’s not rocket science. You replied to a guy listing BETTER options than an STI at the given price range. But again congrats on your STI… ever think what the cost of a VB STI would go for today considering all factors of this day and age? Maybe they didn’t release one because people wouldn’t buy it in the mid to upper 50K range. The vb is obviously a compromise of a lot of factors at this point. Probably why it’s compared to the sti…
This is my reply to all of your other comments on this thread belittling WRX’s to the STI.
@@603VB 👍🏻 I got new engine installed from Subaru under warranty, I’m doing brake in mileage right now, by the way my car is stock, I installed cooling mods and a better radiator, so I’m covered for a long time, STi is overall better then VB, on EJ is a common problem with ringland, speed is irrelevant for me by the way
@@Atlan_tisalready blew your motor stock… wowwwwwwww.
@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended yes my sti was totally stock when i had ring land and lost compression on cylinder #4 , I got new engine installed by warranty and I did cooling mod and bigger radiator, now I hope it runs for good
Supra??!!...TRAITOR!....j/k. Yes, please! I love subarus/WRX, but I love cars in general. Go for it. Wrecked VA project with a built IAG FA24 is the way I would go. No reason at all to build a FA20 as the FA24 is WAY WAY better.
Yes FA 24 is way better then FA20 I agree, but it’s still a wrx 🤦🏻♂️ it is not a track car like STi , now they came out with wrx TR model with a price sky high, cheaper to buy an STi for 35k and would be an STi way better then a VB TR and cheaper
It’s still a wrx 😂
Gay.
we have ourselves a heavy thinker here lol
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