Mongol Steppe Lancer

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • How do the Mongol steppe lancers compare to the Tatars and Cumans?
    0:25 Castle age stats compared (Mongol vs Tatar vs Cuman vs generic knight)
    1:35 Tatar hill bonus vs knights
    2:20 Steppe lancer and knights vs ranged units
    2:40 Steppe lancer advantages
    3:30 Imperial age stats compared
    4:00 Mongols vs ranged units in imperial age
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    Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions

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  • @sauromatae9728
    @sauromatae9728 4 роки тому +953

    AoE2:DE game designers made STEPPE lancers weak in open field.

    • @masternobody1896
      @masternobody1896 4 роки тому +6

      I miss ee

    • @volodymyrboitchouk
      @volodymyrboitchouk 4 роки тому +124

      I feel that the step lancer should be changed to a burst damage unit. Basically, you should use the speed and range of step panders to get a quick hit in on melee units without taking much or any damage in retaliation. Horse archers and step lancers together should work as harrassment units intended to pick enemy armies apart with constant small scale attacks on vulnerable units. Relying on superior mobility and alpha strike damage to avoid bad fights and pick off enemies. This would fill a rooe that does not quite exist (melee counterpart to horse archer) and would fit the theme.

    • @masternobody1896
      @masternobody1896 4 роки тому +61

      It took them 20 years to put auto scout

    • @yokatta-f
      @yokatta-f 4 роки тому +69

      ONLY A FOOL WOULD PLAY WITH STEPPE LANCERS ON AN OPEN FIELD

    • @ZuGa1384
      @ZuGa1384 4 роки тому +5

      @@yokatta-f Nice reference!!! 👍😆

  • @samiamrg7
    @samiamrg7 4 роки тому +961

    Steppe lancers being good in choke-points is kind of ironic considering that in the real world they are from, you know, the steppes, which tend to be wide open.

    • @jacobxiongnu2931
      @jacobxiongnu2931 4 роки тому +1

      samiamrg7 I guess because they have a lot of damage in small skirmishes and maybe it’s their health too.

    • @themymablo
      @themymablo 4 роки тому +62

      I dont know if this is possible with the AoE-engine, but it would be pretty cool if they had some kind of "charge"-bonus as in if a steppe lancer was in motion x amount of time his next attack will have a buff.

    • @FullMetalChains
      @FullMetalChains 4 роки тому +2

      @@themymablo or in certain firmations like the wedge.

    • @AimiFoon
      @AimiFoon 4 роки тому +3

      @@themymablo I think it can be done like energized attack in League of Legends. Moving generates Energize stacks. When fully charged, It consume all the stacks and your next attack deals bonus damage.

    • @muenchhausenmusic
      @muenchhausenmusic 4 роки тому +2

      @@themymablo It's a good idea. Frankly, though, this would then have to apply to all cavalry, whether they wield a spear or a sword or whatever.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 4 роки тому +314

    Going from super OP to underwhelming and underpowered...
    What is this, a MOBA?

    • @Halvtooth
      @Halvtooth 4 роки тому +50

      Always hard to balance in games. I think they did the right thing to hard nerf it, so they can buff it slowly. If something is op it breaks the game if it's under powered people will just use other tactics.

    • @cirkin50
      @cirkin50 4 роки тому +12

      @@Halvtooth Problem is they are releasing balance patches really slow, so unit will be useless for like 3-4 months min

    • @ArthaxtaDaVince777
      @ArthaxtaDaVince777 4 роки тому +15

      @@cirkin50 I think it's better that way, we got more stuff per update and it's more polished.

    • @Halvtooth
      @Halvtooth 4 роки тому +12

      @@cirkin50 Better than being op for 3-4 months

    • @lars9925
      @lars9925 4 роки тому +17

      ​@@Halvtooth
      Yes, "hard nerf it, so they can buff it slowly" is better than "it breaks the game".
      However, there is the more favorable third option: A moderate nerf.
      Perfect balancing is hard, but a brief comparison with knights, as SOTL did in this video, is not overly complicated.

  • @DeisFortuna
    @DeisFortuna 4 роки тому +462

    Tatars: IT'S OVER, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
    Knights: YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER.

  • @seanbeahn6895
    @seanbeahn6895 4 роки тому +301

    Why not remove the Knight line from steppe factions and instead buff their steppe lancers? It would further their "unique"
    flavor

    • @samutinghutajulu5172
      @samutinghutajulu5172 4 роки тому +3

      Agree

    • @Tocaraca
      @Tocaraca 3 роки тому +26

      Because that would have huge implications for balance. In team games, you rely on having really strong all-round units; Knights and Crossbowmen. Civilizations without these units either have to have a substitute (the Spanish have Conquistadors to sub for Crossbowmen), or are just plain shit in team games (like meso civs, which only have eagles instead of kts which are just so much worse for mixed unit compositions). Steppe Lancers lose to Knights AND Crossbowmen, so suddenly the Mongols would become awful in 3v3/4v4 pocket positions as they could not make Knights.

    • @DrewHengy
      @DrewHengy 3 роки тому +11

      Not a bad idea, but then Cumans and to a lesser extent Tatars would need tech compensation for losing paladin/cavalier. I also think that the western European civs could lose cav archers altogether and also get some compensation: They're never used for those civs at any level, it makes no sense historically, and the only use they have them for I can think of is a "Spanish archer rush" level cheese strat.

    • @z.p9997
      @z.p9997 2 роки тому +13

      Just reskin the knights ffs, so dumb playing with white european troops as japan or something, ruins this game.

    • @GreyWind1988
      @GreyWind1988 2 роки тому +7

      @@z.p9997 that's how you know you take the game too seriously

  • @burningicecube2486
    @burningicecube2486 3 роки тому +211

    Its 2:30 am, ive never played this game, or watched any of your videos, but for some reason im now very interested in these lanced bois
    Edit: i got the game a month ago it's a fucking banger, I've been wrecking my friends shit because of these videos

    • @manuam98
      @manuam98 3 роки тому +6

      Get the game my dude, totally worth it!!

    • @dextronsingh8817
      @dextronsingh8817 3 роки тому +2

      World waiting to be discovered

    • @Azhureus
      @Azhureus 3 роки тому

      Go buy that game and learn how to play with them, one day you might win a tournament of some sort.

    • @roverman540
      @roverman540 3 роки тому

      Welcome

    • @vinnyvinnn
      @vinnyvinnn 3 роки тому

      Did u get the game?

  • @estellebright2579
    @estellebright2579 4 роки тому +116

    So, should Huns also get steppe lancer?
    And the release day steppe lancer was way too good and way too cost effective.

    • @budwyzer77
      @budwyzer77 4 роки тому +48

      Don't forget the Turks, Magyars, and Bulgars came from the steppe as well.

    • @samiamrg7
      @samiamrg7 4 роки тому +33

      It might make sense since they were known fro using lancers (I think real world Tarkans were lancers) but then the Huns are from a different time period than the Mongols, Cumans, and Tatars. The Huns are from roughly the 5th century whereas the others are based on their 12th to 14th century incarnations, so maybe it can be argued that the Huns would not have an exactly contemporaneous unit with the others.

    • @edwardtan7283
      @edwardtan7283 4 роки тому +31

      They probably came from the steppes but they don't reside in the steppes during the time where the civ is presented in the game.
      Also, the saddles that are commonly used in medieval era were not fully developed until early 300 AD by the Chinese. It was only widespread until late 400 AD when the Huns influence were diminishing. Without saddles it is impractical to mount on a horse and use a long pole weapon like the one shown on DE with one arm.
      So they left the steppes too early to have such a technology.

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 4 роки тому +10

      Well, now they're neither good and nor cost effective.

    • @Gunsbeerfreedom87
      @Gunsbeerfreedom87 4 роки тому

      Right, and now it's the opposite, essentially useless.

  • @waaedalord6474
    @waaedalord6474 4 роки тому +211

    His upload speed scares me as an old fan

    • @TomasMira28
      @TomasMira28 4 роки тому +13

      I smell youtube as a full time job

    • @jdamsel8212
      @jdamsel8212 4 роки тому +1

      Why

    • @mr_ekshun
      @mr_ekshun 4 роки тому +2

      @@jdamsel8212 I think because SotL was never the most frequent uploader? Not 100% sure, I came late to the party and am still binging his videos haha

    • @andyw5962
      @andyw5962 4 роки тому

      waaed alord in the early days he used to pump them out.

    • @dogeofgreatness2222
      @dogeofgreatness2222 4 роки тому

      Yes dude i remember waiting weeks for an upload. But with time the upload speed went up and during sometimes it was even faster then it is now.

  • @cannypride8191
    @cannypride8191 4 роки тому +89

    2:25 I love how the Mongol lancer doesn't flinch when shot by arrows

    • @Fnyx_BodyWorks
      @Fnyx_BodyWorks 4 роки тому +19

      Mongols lacer: since im stuck thanks to SOTL might as well take it like a champ

    • @krodh9946
      @krodh9946 4 роки тому +20

      The Mangudai use him as target practice.....so he's accustomed to being shot at!

    • @rofeonazaripasha675
      @rofeonazaripasha675 4 роки тому

      @@Fnyx_BodyWorks after receiving steppe lancer,are the mongols still in east asian?

  • @yokatta-f
    @yokatta-f 4 роки тому +75

    Everybody missing the point with the Steppe Lancers. They are about a Steppe Lancer as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic. It's named like that just to trick you.

    • @Bot-bg2cz
      @Bot-bg2cz 4 роки тому +1

      They should make steppe lancer faster than knights.

    • @0nni1998
      @0nni1998 4 роки тому

      @@Bot-bg2cz They are faster than knights.
      Steppe lancer speed - 1.45
      Knight speed - 1.3

    • @postblitz
      @postblitz 3 роки тому

      Yeah but BEST Korea is also shit which means they're shit too. Stuff must have proper names or everything's undermined.

    • @yoyodude-aoe2726
      @yoyodude-aoe2726 3 роки тому +1

      @@postblitz it's a joke

    • @mickp413
      @mickp413 5 місяців тому

      😊​@@Bot-bg2cz97

  • @GunsAndRoses871
    @GunsAndRoses871 4 роки тому +83

    Devs now need to give Indians the battle elephant !

    • @coldwind8116
      @coldwind8116 4 роки тому +6

      And maybe add it to the Saracens too?

    • @salildeshpande7
      @salildeshpande7 4 роки тому +4

      with what bonus though? ooh

    • @Xaders1
      @Xaders1 4 роки тому

      @Ulf Knudsen They have a Gold bonus, Curry and Gold are both kinda yellow-isch...

    • @Halvtooth
      @Halvtooth 4 роки тому +4

      @@salildeshpande7 no need for bonus Indians have good eco and good upgrades.

    • @tyranitararmaldo
      @tyranitararmaldo 4 роки тому +10

      @Ulf Knudsen the gold bonus lets them... curry favour.

  • @MerMes16
    @MerMes16 4 роки тому +64

    Really perturbed that Mongols didn't have steppe lancer, despite them coming from Mongolia STEPPES.

    • @DeisFortuna
      @DeisFortuna 4 роки тому +4

      At least they have it now.

    • @gddid..1980
      @gddid..1980 4 роки тому +36

      Indians: Where is my battle elephant?

    • @Kozuu7
      @Kozuu7 4 роки тому +7

      Imagine mongols with pre nerf steppe Lancers, shudder.

    • @stormrunner4081
      @stormrunner4081 4 роки тому +6

      Huns as well and then add a 4th eagle civ

    • @antoniomele4830
      @antoniomele4830 4 роки тому +1

      @@gddid..1980 jeez indian missing battle elephant is so bad

  • @Tei
    @Tei 4 роки тому +47

    "If you drive them from the steppes, then and only then, we will join you."

  • @DGFishRfine1
    @DGFishRfine1 4 роки тому +10

    I wish the Scenario Editor included an "Unpatched Steppe Lancer" unit, so we could document the magnificent Cancer Lancer for posterity :(
    Honestly, I think they over-nerfed the Steppe Lancer. For the size of stat hit it took, it should be far cheaper.
    I still wish they'd just made them extremely squishy and kept the stupid attack stats. Glass cannon cavalry would've been fun.

  • @Jondiceful
    @Jondiceful 4 роки тому +13

    "Not a one-trick-pony civ anymore"🤣 well played sir. Well played.

  • @LegionGT_
    @LegionGT_ 4 роки тому +51

    I think you missed a big comparison. Before having lancers Mongols went mangudais + hussars in front. Now you can mix hussars with lancers or go full lancers. A comparison of Mongol lancers vs Mongol hussars in various situations would have been fitting.

    • @Jack-yv3po
      @Jack-yv3po 4 роки тому +28

      The reason you go hussars in front is the 0 gold cost.
      If you're going to invest gold in front of your mangudai, knights are the clear better choice as shown in the video. Steppe lancers don't really make sense as your tanky front line unit, when as we saw, with equal resources knights are better.

    • @Dabeyoun
      @Dabeyoun 4 роки тому +13

      @@Jack-yv3po Except mongols don't have paladin, only cavaliers. So if you're just doing fodder, ok, hussars are cheaper, but steppe might be the rich man's fodder? Iunno, I'd probably just go full mangudai, those fuckers are strong as fuck.

    • @LegionGT_
      @LegionGT_ 4 роки тому +9

      @@Jack-yv3po as Mongols you should be using your gold on mangudais and siege engines. That's why you go for hussars. The cavalier doesn't offer you something significant for the gold cost. The comparison with the lancer comes from the trade off of having more hp and attack in exchange for movement speed, raiding potential and pierce armor

    • @Halvtooth
      @Halvtooth 4 роки тому +1

      Use them in early castle before you get castles up to produce mangudai. They cost less gold and have shorter creation time than knights (6s).

    • @crazyyoco
      @crazyyoco 4 роки тому +2

      in early castle they will just die to knights.

  • @matthewmcneany
    @matthewmcneany 4 роки тому +34

    "Behold! The Horde Of Genghis Khan Approaches"

    • @Horusian
      @Horusian 4 роки тому +7

      "Beware the Karakithay.They are without honor"

    • @frozenwinterwinds
      @frozenwinterwinds 3 роки тому +3

      You men! You must visit each of the outlying tribes.

    • @caciqueloko6500
      @caciqueloko6500 3 роки тому +2

      "You must convince as many as you can to join our glorious army, but"....

  • @psychopommes674
    @psychopommes674 4 роки тому +8

    8 attack in Castle age, 11 in imperial. And +1 pierce armor for both ages. Maybe +10 hp in imperial.
    It dont have to be the strongest unit. But atm its almost useless.

  • @bledathehun328
    @bledathehun328 4 роки тому +7

    So, they serve as a mounted meat shield for archers. Great, considering mongols don't have hussars.
    Oh, wait...

  • @Gatinois
    @Gatinois 4 роки тому +16

    Steppe lancers should get bonus dmg for their first attack.

    • @olegdragora2557
      @olegdragora2557 4 роки тому +17

      Or maybe have extremely high attack with very slow attack speed.
      It would encourage player to make hit&run attacks with them, as they are vulnerable after the first strike.

    • @StraightEdgeNexus
      @StraightEdgeNexus 4 роки тому +1

      Yup. Like a charge mechanic could make them viable

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 4 роки тому

      Or make them the 1-range cavalry version of the Ethiopian unique unit that has high attack, lots of speed, but low HP and light armor.

    • @Llamasomenumbers
      @Llamasomenumbers 4 роки тому +1

      Since they’re already decent for raiding, it might make them more viable if they had more pierce armor, or bonus damage against villagers

    • @al3xander353
      @al3xander353 3 роки тому +1

      😳

  • @icecoldchilipreppers
    @icecoldchilipreppers 4 роки тому +10

    Man I live for these videos. Understanding the statistical differences of AOE units to the tone of SOTL is possibly the most enjoyable/relaxing video game content around.

  • @FrostyBurns73
    @FrostyBurns73 4 роки тому +68

    I still hear Spirit of the La Hire...

    • @arthurpendragonsyt
      @arthurpendragonsyt 4 роки тому +9

      He still wishes to kill something.

    • @TheMuffinman191
      @TheMuffinman191 4 роки тому +10

      The blood on his sword is getting dry

    • @roy-swampy-07
      @roy-swampy-07 4 роки тому +3

      His sword is not bloody enough.

    • @captain1337.
      @captain1337. 4 роки тому +1

      No disrespect but change that 2011 profile pic

    • @TheMuffinman191
      @TheMuffinman191 4 роки тому +3

      @@captain1337. This one wishes to be sacrificed for the amusement of La Hire

  • @willemverheij3412
    @willemverheij3412 4 роки тому +7

    Here's hoping they will at least give India the battle elephant unit too. Since they don't get knights they could use another cavalry option.
    Huns could use the steppe lancer too, and still need to get their building style fixed. Better yet, a new steppe set should be made for them and Mongols.

    • @parthn-musicforwork4789
      @parthn-musicforwork4789 4 роки тому

      Willem Verheij They havent even thought of giving Indians Battle elephant . We need to Petition for this and show the support. forums.ageofempires.com/t/why-must-the-indians-be-denied-battle-elephants-we-could-work-on-balancing-but-they-should-get-them-being-their-major-theme/80288/70

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 4 роки тому +2

    I wonder when will knights rightfuly get lances as it was their main weapon historicaly.

    • @ringofasho7721
      @ringofasho7721 4 роки тому

      I think they should just give European civs their own lancer line. Have a "tourney" lancer in castle that is very gold intensive. It should cost more than a knight and have bonus to cav and infantry, with good melee armor and a weakness to archers.

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 4 роки тому

      @@ringofasho7721 Why a weakness to archers? Archers such IRL espeacialy agenst armored knights, if you want to win a battle you need to get in there with mele weapons.

  • @krankarvolund7771
    @krankarvolund7771 4 роки тому +6

    So steppe lancers are worst than knights in melee and worst than cavalry archers in raiding... Why would you use them? XD

    • @Halvtooth
      @Halvtooth 4 роки тому

      For the looks. Might be nice transition from scouts to steppe lancer and you want raiding done. Also they have lower gold cost.

    • @Gunsbeerfreedom87
      @Gunsbeerfreedom87 4 роки тому +2

      Who uses them outside of this kind of stuff? They're the siege towers of cavalry.

    • @StraightEdgeNexus
      @StraightEdgeNexus 4 роки тому +1

      Getting cav archers in early castle is hard because of all the upgrades you need, the time you are likely going to vill raid. Lancers do okay in early castle coupled with camels

    • @Progeusz
      @Progeusz 4 роки тому

      @fat boy oh, I didn't know all those knight rushes in past 21 years weren't allowed to happen. After all Knights cost food...

    • @StraightEdgeNexus
      @StraightEdgeNexus 4 роки тому

      @fat boy Knight rush are a thing, lancers are actually better in slaughtering vills, the upgrades for cav archers like thumb ring and bodkin and ballistics will alone take you mid castle

  • @fsdafdsafdas
    @fsdafdsafdas 4 роки тому +15

    OMG I WAS JUST GOOGLING THIS TO TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT
    YOU ARE AMAZING!!!

  • @yurimyszkowski
    @yurimyszkowski 3 роки тому +2

    fun fact: my grandmother was from Ukraine, and she was called Anna Tatara , hahah

  • @Kaxcer
    @Kaxcer 4 роки тому +2

    Indians should now get the generic War Elephant from Stables.

  • @kommo1
    @kommo1 4 роки тому +12

    In the end, the pathfinding lacks a second row priority. Knights up front, Lancers behind.

    • @ggg21201
      @ggg21201 4 роки тому +6

      Yeah, I've thought the same thing for Saracen Mamelukes for years now. They'd be so much more effective with Camel Riders if they'd stop forming up on the front row in line formation.

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 4 роки тому +1

      I’ve always played Saracens with those 170 hp zealotry heavy camels in one attack group up front with the 130 hp 3-range mamelukes in another attack group slinging sabers behind. Bye-bye pallydeens! :D

    • @ggg21201
      @ggg21201 4 роки тому +2

      @@jefffinkbonner9551 Well, yes, you can make control groups but the point was that it would be more effective and easier if they would automatically fall to the back row without you having to make more control groups.

  • @JJBeauregard1
    @JJBeauregard1 4 роки тому +9

    i love your videos, spirit of the law! i always get a smile on my face when i see a new video from you pop up

  • @mosatsoni4324
    @mosatsoni4324 4 роки тому +9

    Remember when steppe lancers were a formidable unit?|
    Yeah, those times are gone.

  • @Lonezewolflonewolf
    @Lonezewolflonewolf 4 роки тому +4

    AOE2:DE "You get a steppe lancer, you get a steppe lancer, you all get a step lancer!"

  • @Xastor994
    @Xastor994 4 роки тому +4

    As soon as the music started playing for the steppe lancers fighting on a hill I knew they were going to lose. Who remember the old Britons civ overview :D

  • @someitoj7591
    @someitoj7591 4 роки тому +4

    I am wondering good is mixing Steppe lances with your other cavalry ? Let’s say instead of 20 knights, 15 knights and 7 steppes, so the Steppes can attack from behind the knights ? Will the steppes position themselves favourably in a fight ? I think it might be worth looking into compositions with steppes and cavalry and see if they are worth mixing in, if yes, what ratio.

  • @omer7101
    @omer7101 4 роки тому +4

    Turks and Huns should have steppe lancers also.

  • @C3V1N117
    @C3V1N117 4 роки тому +4

    i think they should put the steppe lancer back to 30 gold and increase their collision box size, again.

  • @andyelgrand0
    @andyelgrand0 3 роки тому +2

    "they arent a one trick pony civ"... THIS is why i watch these... That destroyed my pun-meter,

  • @yonokhanman654
    @yonokhanman654 4 роки тому +2

    4:34 Why would I use Steppe Lancers in that case instead of Hussars?

    • @criter96
      @criter96 4 роки тому

      Team games with trade? Maybe?

  • @ibrahimemrezayim9292
    @ibrahimemrezayim9292 4 роки тому +4

    Hi Spirit. Can you make a same kind of video for Magyar Huszar also. Their cost effectiveness, comparison ti knights and all other sort of units etc. thanks

    • @keterclass3541
      @keterclass3541 4 роки тому +1

      Magyars are hugely slept on considering their win rate% on Voobly

  • @Blake5467
    @Blake5467 4 роки тому +2

    Just came across this channel not to long ago so I'm not sure if you made a video on this yet, but a comparison of all the Civilization Barracks Infantry to each other would be interesting to see, including all the Civ Bonuses and Bonus techs to infantry. I think Bulgarian Swordsman with their Unique Tech might be the strongest in the game, but I could be wrong. I'm aware that Slaves win in numbers, but Aztecs have the highest damage Swordsman. Same with the spear-man line. Would like to see who has the best Barracks.

    • @huuvannguyen4656
      @huuvannguyen4656 4 роки тому +1

      Japanese have a great damage output too.

    • @light_david7
      @light_david7 4 роки тому

      Aztecs and Vikings have infantry bonuses, but don't get halberdier. So they end up being better/same vs. infantry/archers, but have 13 attack less twords cavalry. And the only reason to make them is against cavalry.

    • @torinjones3221
      @torinjones3221 4 роки тому

      Goths would win simply because they can produce them so quick and cheaply.

  • @Septimus_ii
    @Septimus_ii 4 роки тому +6

    I still don't understand why you would build them with any civ - they're weak against cavalry and archers and only slightly strong against infantry and villages, nowhere near as strong as horse archers

    • @majormononoke8958
      @majormononoke8958 4 роки тому

      Yeah, but the question is how weak against cavalry and archers ... If they are weak but stronger than the horse cavalary against cavalary and archery, than they have a space to fill ...

    • @omologo95
      @omologo95 4 роки тому

      Cheaper than knights. For Mongols, they're a good option to techswitch into after you're done with or to compliment your xbows. It's not a powerhouse unit, but it's a good Castle Age unit for Mongols at least. Cumans and Tatars however? Just go Knights

    • @Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism
      @Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism 4 роки тому

      They should be a civ-specific replacement for the knight-line.

    • @Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism
      @Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism 4 роки тому

      @@mangonel They should lose 1v1. Maybe draw 20v20. Less HP, less armor, but cheaper, slightly faster, and with the ranged attack.

  • @bear2699
    @bear2699 4 роки тому +4

    that victory music at 1:43 actually gave me hope for them :(

  • @bartelvandervelden9894
    @bartelvandervelden9894 3 роки тому +1

    I wonder how Tatar lancers compare to the others' lancers since the silk armor buffs

  • @jFG5790
    @jFG5790 4 роки тому +5

    Whats the point of the steppe lancer post nerf?

    • @joaobras3836
      @joaobras3836 4 роки тому

      Raiding

    • @lich109
      @lich109 4 роки тому +1

      @@joaobras3836 Why not get horse archers for that?

    • @nguyenhuyduc9151
      @nguyenhuyduc9151 4 роки тому

      @@lich109 different tech tree..

    • @lich109
      @lich109 4 роки тому +1

      @@nguyenhuyduc9151 And? They're still way better at the role.

    • @nguyenhuyduc9151
      @nguyenhuyduc9151 4 роки тому

      @@lich109 i think it is an option. Just add some lancer and counter skirm. Just an example.

  • @zeflute4586
    @zeflute4586 4 роки тому +2

    what if the steppe lancers do double damage during it's first attack of a certain unit?
    And when move another 7 tiles it can do double damage again.

  • @Ratciclefan
    @Ratciclefan 3 роки тому +1

    I can't help but feel huns should have steppe lancers too

  • @XtReMz98
    @XtReMz98 4 роки тому +6

    I enjoyed this video, BUT saddened you declined T90’s invitation to cover/cocast HC3. You would bring so much insights during games and/or stats outside. Oh well, life is cruel sometimes...!

    • @Patton243
      @Patton243 4 роки тому +1

      T90 sucks. I wouldn't cast with him either. He literally takes recorded games and talks over them while they're playing. Anybody in a the comments section of a YT video can do that.

    • @ggg21201
      @ggg21201 4 роки тому

      What?! He turned it down? That would have a legendary cast! Sad to hear that. Maybe someday in the future...

    • @XtReMz98
      @XtReMz98 4 роки тому +2

      Patton243 Well... could you or I do a better job at casting than T90? Perhaps. Do we cast? No. Do I enjoy self-casted game by Viper or Hera better than T90? Yes. All of that is beside the point I was trying to bring; whatever perspective of T90 casts you might have, HC3 is probably the biggest tournament for AoE2 in history in both prize pool and hype. I feel that Spirit is meticulous, precise, not to mention enjoyable to hear from a tone-of-voice perspective. He would have bring to the table what T90 lacks in the deep-analysis, mechanics, stastitics prediction and much more. Not being there would be like watching the olympics with a major country like USA, China, etc boycotting the event. Good, but not as great...

  • @pascalbaryamo4568
    @pascalbaryamo4568 3 роки тому +1

    I use them when I’m quite sure I have superior numbers, and now I see why this works out so well. Surrounding. What I love about mongols is the camels to counter chevaliers

  • @alexvandermerwe7851
    @alexvandermerwe7851 3 роки тому +1

    I think they should increase the range slightly, increase their speed, make the attack itself higher, the attack SPEED lower, and HP lower. The idea of a Steppe Lancer is that it can quickly maneuver and micro other melee units before withdrawing while being too squishy to endure single combat with no micro. I also think skirmishers should get a bonus against Steppe Lancers to offset the buff. Treat it like a reverse Mameluke, a melee unit that does high amounts of ranged damage from a short distance. This would make the Steppe Lancer a supremely good raiding unit and a good counter to melee units but also very easy to counter for every civ except Turks.

  • @ahmetsaidgurdal6702
    @ahmetsaidgurdal6702 4 роки тому +1

    I think lancers should come to Huns too.

  • @heckinmemes6430
    @heckinmemes6430 4 роки тому +2

    Tonight on Knightline; Steppe Lancers, friend or foe?

  • @AgeofNoob
    @AgeofNoob 4 роки тому +1

    They honestly need to re-work the Tatars a bit..

  • @gabrielclamens3151
    @gabrielclamens3151 3 роки тому +1

    Quite ironic to see that a steppe unit is better in a choke point

  • @tezcanuyank3446
    @tezcanuyank3446 4 роки тому +2

    For balancing they should add first attack a great damage(act as charge attack) while after that other attacks give standart damage

  • @rofeonazaripasha675
    @rofeonazaripasha675 4 роки тому +1

    After receiving steppe lancer,are the mongols still in east asian?

  • @vegannegan9652
    @vegannegan9652 4 роки тому +1

    In short: the devs fucked them up.

  • @keterclass3541
    @keterclass3541 4 роки тому +1

    This is a huge buff to the Mongol strategy. Having the option of a raiding unit between light cavalry and Knight allows you to more smoothly transition and tech up your Mangudai while keeping up pressure. Yes these units arent as good as they were and yes they will he lackluster in Imp but that's fine because it is the Castle Age where Mongols struggle the most.

  • @HotZetiGer
    @HotZetiGer 4 роки тому

    I am a Mongolian, and we don`t use such Lancer units against heavy-armored-pro-horsemen, we use light cavalry with lasso, imagine a unit which captures enemy unit and runs away slowly killing & dragging it away. Unit with capture will not fight.

  • @stefanandrejcik571
    @stefanandrejcik571 4 роки тому +1

    Also Kushluk got Unique skin

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 4 роки тому +1

    IRL on an open step the tatar/mongol cavalry dominate, but when forced in to a fight europian knights would undoubtably come out on top.

  • @felixalexisortizlagos6904
    @felixalexisortizlagos6904 4 роки тому +2

    Tartars: It's over Anakin, I have the high ground

  • @demonhotdog6040
    @demonhotdog6040 4 роки тому +4

    How do I find your music SOTL?

    • @skyluc77
      @skyluc77 4 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/Edyj-qxOaqc/v-deo.html

    • @demonhotdog6040
      @demonhotdog6040 4 роки тому

      @@skyluc77 Dude, I know the song but I want more, I want the music channel.

  • @davidvondoom2853
    @davidvondoom2853 4 роки тому +1

    You could always have a row of knights in front and a row of lancers behind, if you can manage the micro of that.

  • @PixXx31
    @PixXx31 4 роки тому +1

    I think it's weird that they look like they would counter cavalry (ya know, long pointy thing) yet lose to them almost every time.

  • @seltin1988
    @seltin1988 4 роки тому +2

    soo what i take from this is that the stepp lancer is more of a flaver unit that can be used in campaign and scenarios but not that often in mp, well i love any units that make the civs stand out more soo i dont complain! good work as always :)

  • @kanutahytomka4542
    @kanutahytomka4542 3 роки тому +1

    tatars have silk armor though

  • @acdragonrider
    @acdragonrider 2 роки тому

    Have just started playing age 2 definitive edition and haven’t found any luck using lancers despite how much I like them. It seems it’s better to just field knights overall…

  • @cfv7461
    @cfv7461 4 роки тому +3

    I hope turks also get steppe labcers eventually, since they actually come from the steppe as well. This is reflected in their good cavalry archers and the cameo in the first genghis khan scenario.

    • @starcraft2own
      @starcraft2own 4 роки тому

      Then the turks should get the cataphract too if that's the logic you go by, the turks became more than "from the steppes" so i don't think they should have the steppe lancer. Since what they used to be isn't the same as what they are now (The time period of the game)

    • @cfv7461
      @cfv7461 4 роки тому

      @@starcraft2own the time of the game is really vast, it includes both the battle of lepanto with gunpowder and cannons, and the fall of the roman empire. The turks were steppe nomads for the majority of that time, and some of them continued to be so.
      About the cataphract, i don't know about the turks, but the persians did use them. If it was a common unit like the camel or the knight, yes, i would expect the persians to get them. The only reason to not give cataphracts to the persians is that they are a unique unit, but the steppe lancers are not.

    • @omologo95
      @omologo95 4 роки тому

      @@cfv7461 The game's time period is vast, but it's quite clear they designed Turks around the rise to power and fall of Byzantine, which was well after they settled in Little Asia.

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 роки тому

      Well the Huns were first from Chinese mainland before they became steppe but they can't get any agriculture bonus

  • @daarom3472
    @daarom3472 4 роки тому +1

    Spirit when are you going to do a vid on villager pathing after building a TC or lumber/mining/mill?
    Example: 8 vils construct a TC. adjacent is gold and trees I find they mostly opt for gold, but not exclusively. When do they choose farms over trees? etc.
    could be a good 20 mins explaining all :D

  • @Marcara081
    @Marcara081 4 роки тому +1

    I would like to see Steppe Lancers vs Knights again but with each side having a line of Pikemen.

  • @ma2aaditya
    @ma2aaditya 3 роки тому +1

    wyd step-lancer?

  • @CardboardBoxGod
    @CardboardBoxGod 4 роки тому +5

    Tatar Stepp Lancer: Its over Knight I have the high ground!
    Knight: You underestimate my power!
    Tatar Stepp Lancer: Don’t try-*UGH*

  • @CuShorts
    @CuShorts 4 роки тому +1

    Mongols are too good...

  • @russelluskoski2104
    @russelluskoski2104 3 роки тому +1

    Steppe lancers are a ranged unit and should be treated as such

    • @niksutliff
      @niksutliff 3 роки тому

      100%.
      Raiding and hit-and-run, no reason to slam them into knights, and all these civs get camels anyways

  • @CJ00014
    @CJ00014 4 роки тому

    Steppe Lancers are easy to mass and they cab't be killed by halberds unless you forgot how to micro

  • @morantNO1
    @morantNO1 3 роки тому

    What about mixing steppe lancers with knights? Knights fight in front and you have a second line of steppe lancers that can also attack, while the stronger knights tank in front. Maybe do a mock battle of 30 knights vs 15 steppes and 15 knights (50/50) or with 22 knights and 8 steppe lancers ( ~75/25)?

  • @Odin3589
    @Odin3589 2 роки тому

    I think there is not much fair comparison for the unit.
    I started using them and they seem quite powerful.
    One of my combos is including siege rams. If you think about, is a combo which doe snot uses much gold and is quite powerful. Adding rams helps to stop great part of archery line, while steppe can easily stop in huge groups their first counter, the Haldberdier (for example, 50 SL can stop 100 HB and 50 franks paladin cannot). In this combo, if you see full paladin enemy you could have problems, but adding pikement on the rams makes the strat perfectly balanced and improve even more the rams.
    My point is SL can deal properly deal with one of their biggest counters (when they are massed, but they are quite easy to mass), and just because that, it makes them quite versatile. They are not even gold intensive (even for upgrades, so, you don't need to focus everything on improving them) and combined they do in some situations incredibly well.
    Comparing 50 SL against 50 Paladin is not a fair fight (when you check in resources, specially in gold).

  • @nyeinzawko
    @nyeinzawko 4 роки тому

    They are not sufficiently unique to each civilization and in current form, over-nerfed as well. I would recommend to Microsoft team that light cav bonus from each civ applies to Steepe Lancers as well. That way, Mongols' have more LOS and will become better raiders. Tartars' have +1p armor and will be better at picking off archers. Cumans' has faster creation time and can be massed easily.

  • @jaredfullmer7043
    @jaredfullmer7043 3 роки тому

    I think they should add Steppe Lancers to the Turks and the Magyars. I mean, sure the Magyars already kinda have a lancer in the Magyar Huszar, but since they were nomads before they got settled into Hungary I think they should have them. And the Turks were nomadic for most of their history, so they should have them too.

  • @AmiWG
    @AmiWG 4 роки тому +2

    Once again, comparing theoretical scenarios. You won't see a Mongol player going with Steppe Lancers in Imperial Age when they have Mangudai/Siege/Hussars.

  • @perrymeril
    @perrymeril 4 роки тому +1

    I think you should consider the impact of having high hp light cav/hussars as well as the horse archers. With light cav sacrificing themselves for steppe lancer range, you are significantly reducing the amount of gold you're using while increasing the chances your steppe lancers can run away and heal so you can save your limited gold intensive units. Also in combination with siege onagers, steppe lancers are far safer than light cav in the same situations.

  • @naeglhin7767
    @naeglhin7767 4 роки тому

    since that December patch
    the steppe lancers are only a curious unit.
    They are useless and expensive.
    if at least the silk technology of the tartaros would affect them.
    we would have some lancers of the steppe that could work (a little better).
    but at the moment they are very expensive for what they offer.
    Do the lancers of the steppe have any hidden bonuses that I do not know?
    another thing.
    The Huns would not be a faction that could have them ?.
    I think so

  • @TheFalloutization
    @TheFalloutization 4 роки тому

    Man what is the name of that funky background music? Your link to endemic sound is exactly what it is, a link to endemic sound. Whats the name of song?

  • @ProperComment
    @ProperComment 4 роки тому +1

    Huns should've been given step lancers

  • @SilentNight115
    @SilentNight115 4 роки тому

    You'd think they would be a decent/good anti-cav unit... I mean a fucking lance????

  • @misteral9045
    @misteral9045 4 роки тому

    Don't know if the Tatar Hill bonus is bad, or the steppe lander is awful...
    Both.

  • @d.d.1348
    @d.d.1348 4 роки тому

    Against which units are Steppe Lancers a good counter? 🤔

  • @zekramnordran9526
    @zekramnordran9526 4 роки тому

    Steppe Lancers should get a buff, its a shame that a cool unit, that historically fits with the Mongols would be so underpowered

  • @tva3603
    @tva3603 4 роки тому

    Why do you compare steppe Lancers with the knight and not with the hussar? While the steppe lancer is classified as light cavalry.

  • @hbarudi
    @hbarudi 4 роки тому

    Mongols get steppe lancers now?! lets see how they perform in the Genghis Khan campaign when I get the chance to play that campaign. It will be a while since I am playing campaigns from newest to oldest with the mongol campaign being one of the older campaigns but not not sure if the definitive edition has some changes to it since a lot of campaigns scenarios have changed with the definitive edition...

  • @Katharsis939
    @Katharsis939 4 роки тому +1

    Concerning raiding:
    Can Steppe Lancer attack villager positioned directly behind a wall, tree or stone pile?

    • @light_david7
      @light_david7 4 роки тому +2

      Yes. And they could attack a ram form the other side of a wall too. So "quickwalling" might be more difficult when faced up against steppe lancers.

  • @GameArchiver
    @GameArchiver 4 роки тому

    TBH Steppe lancers don't seem that great.

  • @valueofnothing3417
    @valueofnothing3417 4 роки тому

    Actually the pathing and fighting over walls means vills cannot wall them out. And pathing makes them great for raiding

  • @brianabraham8726
    @brianabraham8726 4 роки тому

    Do they work fine in a mixed army with high armor units? They could attack from the second row, so kinda like a low range cav archer with melee attack

  • @dygeni6458
    @dygeni6458 3 роки тому

    what if you have some other units up front like knights, champions or pikeman. and have the step lancer poke from behind them as support

  • @ecozones2d627
    @ecozones2d627 4 роки тому

    Mamdaguai cavalry Archer genitour video comparison?

  • @Lucas_Jeffrey
    @Lucas_Jeffrey 4 роки тому +1

    Spirit of the Law, you are the best. Please do more videos on scouting strategy in mid/late game!

  • @gaffuraltntop8723
    @gaffuraltntop8723 4 роки тому

    Turks need Step Lancer also, they are too week and having step lancer historically accurate.

  • @andreshuertas8642
    @andreshuertas8642 4 роки тому

    Are the steppe lancers faster than knights? They probably should be right?

  • @Progeusz
    @Progeusz 4 роки тому +1

    I expected a lot more thorough comparison in Imp :(