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Hunting red stag with an original M 1873 Springfield Trapdoor rifle
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2022
- The Model 1873 Springfield Trapdoor was an excellent military rifle firing self contained cartridges. The first modern rifle of the US Army and a legend among today's black powder shooters. Today it is considered obsolete because of the black powder loaded cartridge, while it is still capable of accuracy and energy enough for killing any European big game. Here is my story about this iconic part of history and the ballistics performance of its black powder loaded cartridge.
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Congratulations on the successful hunt! I appreciate that you were willing to talk about that happy but sad moment that is often forgotten when you are hunting. On one hand you are grateful for the food, but on the other hand you are sitting with a beautiful creature that just gave its life at your hand. Beautiful video, enjoy the harvest!
Dam that hits me home
Well said!
Someone once said and I paraphrase " you don't hunt to kill but kill in order to have hunted" what a great sentiment like your video showing what a true hunter you are. Someone who respects and honors their fallen prey
There is so much here to praise. The lovely countryside, the ethical hunt, the tribute to the fallen game. Of course the rifle and way you knew it. The Springfield trapdoor is such an iconic American rifle. Outdated in looks, but rugged and dependable. It served long in US service. Still in use well into the early 20th century with Nat'l Guard units and a staple of many a poor family as a tool to bring in meat in the days when one could be bought mail order for only a few dollars. Loved to see you even had a proper McKeever cartridge box when doing your range testing. If you should ever get ahold of one of the really early examples, a Second Allen Model of 1866 you'd have a rifle which started as a Civil War musket before being converted to cartridge in the years immediately following the end of the war. Quite a few of those ended up in Europe for the Franco-Prussian War. If you think your 1884 is accurate, you should see how the Second Allen shoots!
Well said, couldn't agree more.
I always enjoy your hunting films. The respect for the game and your enjoyment of the hunt and stalk are a joy to me. This is the way my grandfather hunted, (he was from the Black Forrest) and his principals were passed down to me in America. Now I am old and, in a wheelchair but your videos allow me to still enjoy the hunt. Thank you.
Also, what a profound comment you make after coming up to the fallen stag. You encapsulate my own feelings, and that of many hunters I suppose, so well. Why do we kill these majestic forest creatures? And then, after a while, it slowly comes back to us. Hunting is in our DNA and it's something most of us can never stop doing, even if it means having to take a life. Also, the quality of the harvested meat is outstanding. Is is a gift that we must always count ourselves truly lucky to receive. Anyway, thank you for another great video. You always make me want to grab the nearest rifle and go for a walk in the woods.
Embrace your primal instincts buddy animals don't feel bad about hunting so why should we if it's perfectly natural?
As Steve Rinella said, to ask predators to stop hunting is something we’ve never done before. It doesn’t make sense.
I don't think I've ever seen someone respect their kill like you did here. It's a nice gesture to appreciate what we take from the forest. Thank you for the beautiful hunt!
Very nice stag and excellent video. The older I get, the less desire I have to hunt with a modern firearm. I have spent most of my small game season this year chasing squirrels and grouse with my Indian Trade gun, and I took a whitetail doe during our muzzleloading season with my old Navy Arms Zouave musket, and regular deer season with an original K98 Mauser that was a WWII bring back. I will probably finish out this season with my Winchester 1894 in .32-40 that I took a deer with two years ago and then when our late muzzleloading season picks up, I may go to one of my flintlocks, either a Kentucky rifle in .50 or a Tennessee rifle which very closely resembles a Jeager. Modern rifles to me have lost something, they're great, they work, but if I have to say they're lacking something, it's a soul, that older and more primitive guns seem to have.
me too! Soul and a Dedication. I have noticed I am almost Bass Less when I go Out these days! I started with BP at 12 in 77 now retired I am Back to BP and deeper than ever. I now make all my own consumables and learning to knap my own for my stoners. all my smokeless reloading equipment is dusty with carbon and BP dust.
Nice shot placement! Love seeing these old gals still getting it done, and with traditional loads is even better
Another well made video. I really like the homage you pay to the life taken. Shows respect for the animals. Once again thank you for the wonderful videos.
The fact that you chose to shoot the old deer that is in it's past it's prime age just shows that some hunters will practice to harvest an animal in a conservationist manner. That is true game conservation and true sportsmanship. Congratulations on your hunt.
its a young stag if i wuld guess by the antlers 3 maybe 4 years it was still a good managment kill since it didnt have a crown
Very nice hunt congratulations I really like how respectful you are after taking a life ! I wish hunters here in the US would be more respectful I don't like all that jumping up and down and laughing!!
Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. As an American hunter, I too am embarrassed and ashamed at all the fish-pumping, shouting, and other antics. Taking a life, whether that of a human or [other] animal is a serious matter. The European traditions for this moment seem completely appropriate. As you point out, it's about respect and appreciation. Best, Chris (in Maine)
@@labtrainer09 I agree with the both of you as well, I've noticed the same carefree attitude that some American hunters have (my brother was excited at his first buck but I knew the difference). I've really noticed this lack of respect and nonchalant thinking when it does come to possibly taking a human life, they don't think past having the tools on them but no understanding of what those tools can do. Thank you Bob (Ontario Canada) dad killed all his deer with one shot.
As an American I agree. My dad taught us last bite ceremony and I’ve passed it to my kids. Dads granddad came from Germany .
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@@RoChaiBo 🤣 Somebody’s little feelers got hurt.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
First let me say how much I love your videos, and that your appreciation for the animals you hunt and the sadness you feel at the conclusion of their lives, revealed to me a side of hunting I had never considered, and inspired me to purchase a license and head out into the mountains for my first hunt. I even decided upon my own 1873 Trapdoor as my weapon of choice.
I hiked over a mile into a picturesque stream valley lying between four mountains. I was optimistic about my prospects as I had witnessed while scouting plenty of well-worn deer trails which meandered past trees heavily battered with buck scrapes and heard dried leaves crackle under the hooves of large unseen animals.
I set up slightly off an old logging road that provided a clear view of two of the most prominent trails winding through the tall grass to the creek. I began scanning the floodplain with my binoculars, and upon the third pass the optics illuminated a magnificent 8 point buck confidently emerging from the early morning fog. He was being trailed by a younger buck, and after stopping for a drink, they began mock fighting, each deer politely taking turns to hop forward and engage the other with its antlers. They were around 90 yards away and completely oblivious to my presence.
I slowly raised my rifle and cocked the hammer from safety to fire. I aligned the cross hairs below the mature buck's shoulders, and placed my finger on the trigger. But the more I looked at the buck, the more I became consumed by the gravity of ending another creature's life, especially one as magnificent as this one.
Having emerged from a long-term relationship, I contemplated the implications of robbing the other buck of its sparring partner. I imagined the isolation and misery my bullet would bring, and the pain and sadness I've struggled to suppress hit me harder than the 45-70 round in the chamber. I put down my rifle and picked up my binoculars, spending the next half hour enjoying the much-needed company.
I saw those same two deer again three more times over the next 24 hours, including one encounter at less than 15 yards (the big buck literally almost ran into me), yet I wasn't able to complete the task I had set out for.
I will go out again tomorrow for the last time this hunting season, though I doubt I'll be able to overcome the emotional wall which no amount of target shooting has been able to topple.
Perhaps one day, whether it be tomorrow, next year, or even a decade from now, I'll be able to pull that trigger and reap the bountiful rewards for all the money and time I've invested.
For now, however, I feel blessed to have spent such quality time in the company of nature's beauty.
Congratulations and best wishes from Pennsylvania!
Absolutely appreciate Cap&Ball's content!
Well done on a successful hunt! Using an old style rifle makes it so much sweeter and an good choice to take out the stag.Being a hunter is a paradox,taking the life of an animal/bird is a sad thing but then there is the elation of the success and knowing that it is natures gift to sustain your family .Thank you for sharing this journey from Australia.
Excellent video! I really enjoy your passion and attention to detail. Thank you for another wonderful video.
A very awesome hunt. Thank you for taking us along.
Congratulations on a successful hunt. Love to see the respect you show to the animals.
Lots of good meat in your stag. Congratulations! I also like how you stay humble about your actions and success. Reminds me that all hunters should express gratitude for their successes.
Stuart
Watched till the end with great pleasure. My deepest respect for you and your attitude. Respecting your own prey and honesty! You are a true gentleman and hunter!
Beautiful hunt and hard-earned success. The Hungarian Forest is so vast and diversified, and beautiful in all seasons. Great harvest with the old American trapdoor, that 45/70 is as good a cartridge as it was over 100 years ago. Your workups for hunting with vintage cartridges are admirable, keep up these great videos of how to hunt safely, ethically and humanly. Love your channel.
What struck me is I have the same feeling after taking a shot. The rush of nerves and euphoria give way to a certain sadness that something so wild, pure, and beautiful had to die lose its life. I know the happiness and euphoria comes later but I am thankful for such a reflection when I take a life, the consideration given reminds me what it is all about and the history we carry on in a world that is forgetting it.
Hunter's greetings and Hunter's well done. Your respect for all aspects of the hunt do honor to the game and to you. Thank you for sharing this wonderful experience.
Very fitting that the music is called “your love” as I was just thinking that through your videos your love for the equipment you use and your love for the sport is so indisputable.
My love was wildfowling on the foreshore of Strangford Lough in Ireland , but I struggled so much with hunters remorse, that I gave it up thirty years ago.
I still go out at first light just to watch the wildfowl and so often I have birds come over my head and I say to myself “ there’s a lovely shot “
I live in Washington state now and have a strong urge to take up wildfowling again. The flights of ducks and geese are like the ones I read about in stories from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s.
Anyway, if you’re still reading this , and I haven’t bored you to death,I look forward to your next video and also could you tell me who make your back pack. Regards, David
Nice to see something positive on UA-cam.
Thank you for another wonderful video! Always appreciate every part of the video from handloads, ballistics, and of course your gorgeous countryside!
As grandpapa would say, "If you can't put'em down with a 45-70, then you need to quit and take up farming". ^~^ Papa was very much a realist and a bit of a card.
I love that quote! Grandpa was a clever man!
@@capandball thank you for saying so. he truly was. ^~^
For the first time since 2013 I’m going to get a chance to go hunting with CVA Kentucky rifle in .45 cal, percussion lock. Took my very first deer with it then, a doe. Hope I can bring home another!
Congratulations for your red stag! I like how you appreciate and respect the cycle of life. Sometimes something dies that something else may live. I have an original 1884 Springfield Cavalry carbine in 45/70 however I load BP equivalent smokeless cartridges that develop
Absolute beauty of a rifle, love the videos.
thank you watching you walk the woods in the fog brought back so many memories
Respect to you for how you treated and respected the animals life you took to feed your family
Another great historical rifle hunt. Love these. So much story in every video. Cheers from Estonia
When it's necessary to hunt for food. A great harvest you have here. And be thankful.
What a beautiful creature that stag is! Congrats on a successful hunt.
Truly a beautiful hunt! I hunt here in Texas and most “hunters” shoot out of insulated blinds…. I hunt a simple canvas ground blind that most people think is uncomfortable. I’m a sucker for being wet and cold, it’s true hunting.
So nice to see ethical hunters respect the animal. This is what I have tried to instill in my children. Do not hunt unless you have practiced and know what you and your weapon can do. Do not take a shot unless you already know it will be a clean ethical kill. Do not kill only for sport, the meat must be enjoyed. I've hunted all my live and my heart still feels pain taking an animals life. I also enjoy the wholesome, ethical hunt and time spend afield.
Several years ago I shot a six point white tail deer with my 1973 springfield. The load was modern case, 63 graing of 2x blackpowder and a 500 grain cast bullet. Load matches trajectory of original ammo. I see your rifle and mine were made after 1884. The rear sight. The range the deer was was 600 yards. I was shooting at the range and more. Nice video. Keep enjoying your hunts and shooting old firearms.
You took a shot with open sights at 600 yards? Glad you got it man, but damn, why?!
@@snig88 I have fired thousands of rounds ds at 600 yards using peep or apture sights. I have shot at 1k yards the same way. Wimbledon started out not as a tennis match but as a rifle match between the US, UK and Ireland. It was fired at 1K and 800 yards. UK and Ireland used muzzle loaders. The US used cartridge rifles.
@@stevejorgensen5523 I in no way doubt that you can take the shot at a stationary target! But no responsible hunter would take that shot at game...
@@snig88 why not? If you can make the shot why not? I do not believe it is irresponsible to shoot at what ever range if you can honestly make the shot. I know people that should not shoot over 50 yards and they are using a scope. My guess is you have never shot at that range or watched someone who has the ability shot at that range.
I love this channel! I love shooting and hunting with vintage guns and black powder arms. Thanks for these excellent videos!
Amazing even a black powder 45-70 is no joke that gell block jumped and had a huge impact cavity
Alway enjoy your videos, especialy the BP hunting one (more please).
After retiring from national and MLAIC competition I took up BP hunting.
But I like using patched round ball rifles.
Keep up the great work. THANX.
what a magical journey. much respect to such a beautiful creature and historic rifle
Beautiful hunt, and well said with the conservation. I too have a trapdoor Springfield, its a great shooter, but as of yet I have never had a successful hunt with it. Glad to see yours performed very well for sure! Thanks as always for the great video and to many more coming I hope!🤠
Congratulations on a successful hunt!! I love that rifle!!!
Great stalk. I have taken a couple of Fallow deer with my Pedersoli Sharps .45/70, certainly satisfying to use old style equipment.
Congratulations on your beautiful deer
Greetings from 🇸🇮
Bravó! A kidobott hüvely hangja, mint mindig, nagy öröm! Bravó!
Congratulations on a successful hunt. Your hunting films are beautifully and respectfully done and I always look forward to them. Thank you for sharing.
Very close to heaven. I'm so envious of you having such a wonderful experience.
NICE and ethically perfect!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
Capandball. Thank you so much for your reply. That measure is a work of art and i am glad to have seen one if only on video.. Your videos are far and away the very best of the genre. Your reaction at the end of this video is I think pretty much in line with what many of us feel in our development as stewards of God’s gifts. When I reached that point myself, I turned my attention to destructive pests and predators. It’s an entirely new learning experience and one that for me at least, carried me into the age when I could no longer stalk the hunting fields. God bless you and yours. Please keep making your awesome videos.
Another fantastic video. As a hunter I alway take a moment to reflect upon the hunt and admire the game animal I have taken. I thank God for all creation and providing me with the bounty of the land.
You have a great old rifle!
Great, beautiful video.
As always.
I had to replace the front sight with one that was twice as tall. Mine is an 1886 model, it was way high at 100m. I believe that particular model and sights are set for 500m. I ended up trading that rifle for a carbine. That is the exact load I use for whitetail deer and feral hogs out of that carbine.
I don't deer hunt anymore for the same reason that you were talking about" these moments make me wonder why I'm doing this anyway", The last one I got, I was sitting there in the quiet with tears in my eyes, and thought, "this is the last one". One moment it was a majestic animal and the next it was silent. I know there has to be deer hunters because of the proliferation of whitetails, and many car wrecks, and I've taken a lot of them, but I just couldn't do it any longer.
As a footnote, I also have a Trapdoor Springfield made in 1886 with most of its case coloring, a bayonet and scabbard, McKeever pouch, and was fortunate enough to find 20 period 45/70 rounds of ammo. I really like it, it's a fine old rifle.
Good words Irvin.
@@capandball Thank you, that was a great video, very thoughtful.
I completely agree with your assessment “whatever there will be, it just cannot be better.”
Another hunting video already? And with one of my favorite historical firearms. You spoil us Balázs!
Awesome as always
What a beautiful journey ans Red Deer are magnificent animals....Taken with a very old US Army 1873 rifle...Nice shooting....Thanks my friend.....From my house built in 1866 here in Kentucky USA🇺🇸
Very nice Hunt Balas,Weidmannsheil !
I’m new to your channel and I must say this was a beautifully made video hunting beautiful land. I too will be hunting with an 1884 Trapdoor Springfield this season for American whitetail deer. There is nothing more centering than spending time outdoors with an old rifle.
Thank you for another great clip 👍👍
Such a very interesting video, well done.
New subscriber here, sir. I love that you take the time to put in an honest hunt and that you honor the animals you are hunting. As a fellow hunter I greatly admire that. Waidmannsheil from America.
As a fan of the M1873 and 45-70 cartridge , thank you.
Excellent video in every way, thank you
Great vid. I owned and shot one of the trap door Springfields. Great fun with black powder and modern ammo too.
Thanks for the interesting and informative content.
With black powder even ...love it
I love this Rifle, i love Hunting - and i love this Channel. Happy Times! =)
Congratulations! And thanks for the great video.
I remember seeing the m1873 45 70 in one previous video.excellent shooting excellent reloading process.congulations on your red stag hunt.admire the respect for the game.David Back from USA.
Like your hunting videos a lot! So inspiring and relaxing.
Waidmannsheil .
Ein wunderschönes Video mit allem was eine Jagd ausmacht.
Ein gutes Stück Ein unvergessliches Erlebnis.
Vielen Dank für die Möglichkeit dabei zu sein.
Noch einmal Waidmannsheil und viele Grüsse
Frank Galetzka
I have been hunting exclusively with a sharps rifle loaded with proper paper patch sporting ammunition. I really enjoy your videos due to the variety of rifles and loading techniques. After watcher a few of your hunting videos UA-cam cued a Eastman’s Hunting Journal video, 40 kill shots in 20 minutes. Sometimes it’s so embarrassing to be American.
I love all of your hunting videos, and the respect that you show for the animal. I always felt the same way when I would shoot an animal. I can no longer hunt, but it can and should be done in an ethical and respectful manner.
Your hunting and shooting videos are always very good.
Thank you for your efforts!
I have this same rifle. Don't know why folks become so sentimental about harvesting an animal. Yours went down very fast good kill. This is far better than having them age and starve and where I live I've often came across areas where moose elk and deer have been torn to pieces by wolves or coyotes, a horrific slow death and I hear them at times from my home. Human hunting is far less cruel than what happens between other creatures in nature.
First off congrats! Love your videos keep them coming
You hunting videos are really great
Incredible hunt and glad to see the Trapdoor afield! Keep up the great content and warm wishes for more success!
I have one of these - the model with the ramrod bayonet. I think it's model of 1883 (?). That projectile is a big slug - relatively slow moving but with a big punch. They were, I believe, zeroed at something like 1100 yards. There was - maybe still is - a company that makes replacement front sights for a much closer zero range. It is an awesome piece of history. Used throughout the Indian Wars and through the Spanish American War, by, I believe, state troops. See: "Loading Cartridges for the Original .45-70 Springfield Rifle and Carbine" by J.S. and Pat Wolf.
Wish I had the time to play around with this gun. Considering the cost of the cartridges, reloading your own is a good idea.
Really enjoyed this video. Thank you!
A very special moment 🙏
The trap door rifle is a beautiful rifle that is awesome
Yall hunt so differently than we do here in missouri but it definitely looks like fun, i got an 8 point and 10 point bucks in the last 2 weeks so my deer hunting is done for the year unless my neighbor wants a doe, he cant get around much anymore so we make sure hes got meat in the fridge
I have an original 1873 passed down from a family member. His father actually took it off a Union Soldier he killed in battle during the "Indian Wars". Our family is Chickasaw.
Realmente me encantó este tipo de cacería al viejo estilo con un fusil de renombre, el lugar y el tiempo del momento apasionante. 👏👏👏👏mis saludos desde Argentina
Great video!!!!! Love these! Congradulations!!!!
Perfect for sunday!
Absolutely appreciate your channel and all contents
Great hunt
Love from India
Fantastic hunt and scenery, and also respect to the animal 👌
Fantastic video, Cap! This was the first of your hunting videos that I've watched; and it was beautiful! I love the respect and care you have for the life of the stag. It shows how much of a true sportsman and gentleman you are. The hiking shots were beautiful, with great views of the surrounding forest. It makes me even more sad that I've been cooped up at home all week with the flu.
While you were hiking in the video, I saw your backpack had an integrated stool and I thought that was a really cool feature! Now I'm wondering where I could get one. Is there a specific brand and/or model I could look for? Thanks in advance! And thank you for the amazing work on your videos!
Well done Balzas. 👏👏👏😁👍🥃🥃
I've always loved your videos! From the amazing weapons to great editing 11/10
You are a class act my friend
Hunters blessings!🌿🌿 Beautiful shot, beautiful stag and a beautiful rifle :)
Ps. I think your camera developed tinnitus :D
Its a mixture of your red deer and UK red deer that make the Nz ones so huge.
That’s some great shooting.
Congratulations on the successful hunt!
Fantastic hunt under tough conditions
Beautiful video. The rifle is really a beauty, and that was a nice deer that you worked hard for.
Good thing about a 45/70, it shouldn’t be too hard to follow the trail with a hole that big. 🙂.
Oh, and I understand completely that sad feeling when you see it dead, or worse for me, when I see it struggling to hang on, but after it’s over, it is the way of nature, and you’re feeding your family better food than you can buy.
Surpisingly there was no blood trail in this case. Not a single drop. The bullet did not penetrate the other side, stopped under the skin. But still, the hit and the terminal effect was good.
Great harvest, and very fine video!