WOW! (& Flutter) // Boss Space Echo RE202 review, demo and walkthrough
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
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An in depth review and demo of the Boss Re202 Space Echo Pedal. This is an emulation of the classic Re-201 Space Echo tape delay, which brings back that gritty sound in a small affordable unit.
Here I walkthrough all the main functions and demo the delays and feedback settings as well as the reverb, saturation and of course .. the wow and flutter!
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• From The Studio
0:00 nice little demo track
2:19 history lesson
4:47 all 12 modes of head
6:00 intensity/feedback
7:28 reverb-theres 5 types
9:59 saturation - Mmm lovely
10:50 Wow & Flutter
11:57 Some Sounds
13:25 Tape old or new
14:27 hold functions
15:09 tap
17:36 builds and drops
18:11 final thoughts
A very good review of this pedal. Playing the same musical phrase through the different settings really helped me to hear its capabilities. Thank you!
Thanks... that was the idea although Ive a feeling it might get a bit too repetitive. It was driving me insane after editing the video for a couple of hours!
Thanks for the demonstration. Kind of the effect I was looking for :)
Really great video. Your showcasing of gear is always top notch. Legend.
Excellent walk through of this pedal's features!!!
Very nice video and wow what a brilliant new product. I’ve wanted a 201 forever but no way would I pay that much. I’m definitely getting one of these. Thank you! I’ll buy through your link when I’m ready to grab it.
I've been waiting for someone with a synth to demo the RE202, lots of strung planks being used thus far. A truly boss demo in the scouse sense. It sounds great in your hands and as an SH-101 owner to know that it sounds superb with that kit too is tremendous news. Many thanks our Starsky.
Boss la!
It's defo cushty
Guitars are soooo last millenium.
Strung planks lol
Great video as usual! Even if you are make me buy whatever ... You are always put these videos whenever I need the final push to buy something
I apologise to your bank balance 😂
Nice! So many great delays coming out at once.
Sounds absolutely lovely
Great to see one going through a synth.. Most reviews are with guitars.
I owned an RE201 from 2006 to around 2018. Complete bastard to keep running, glad to have got rid. I bought the RE20 when it came out, side by side with the original, they are very different but this new offering is very close indeed, mine arrived 3 weeks ago. It's great.
Cheers again Starsky
Do you know what goes wrong with them? My old one won’t turn on.
@@dubtek12 could be a fuse, if you're lucky.
Very nice, sounds authentic.
You are always a inspiration you should do a shoot between this peda,l the Arturia Tape -201 and Audio Thing Outer Space just for the fun off it I have both of the plug-ins I think they are both great 👍
I'm happy with my arturia soft fx .. I wanted one for the longest time and when I heard arturias remake of it.. I was more then satisfied
I’d love to hear you demo and compare the DL4mk2 with the new Space Echo. As always, great demonstration.
Such a lovely pedal I sooo want one too
I didn't really know about this (the original or the new one) until this video. Thanks for posting - good walkthrough and an interesting product.
Thanks, Paul Hollywood! This was a really useful and thorough demo. 😁👍
Paul Hollywood 😂
Wow fantastic!!!
I have an actual RE-201 Space Echo. It’s a lot of fun, adds this spacey/creamy delay on anything….and squeaks a little if the rotars aren’t lubricated. 😉 You’ve done a great job demoing this experience in a much more affordable package. It sounds fantastic.
Nice to hear from someone who owns one. I’ve used them in the past and it ‘feels’ like I remember but you never know!
Glad you think it replicates the experience which is what I found and was trying to get across. Cheers.
Sounds super dreamy
Great review, very clear !
Definitively one of my top 3 reverb with Free The Tone FF-1Y (crystal clear) and Strymon Volante (for the multi-head drum thing)...
Great demo sir! Very tempted to get this at some point. Yeah it can be done in software (at least close enough when part of a fully mixed track), but I think there's just something about having the dedicated knobs and also the retro look of the hardware that makes this inspiring to use.
Your dead right. The interface adds something, especially as you can play the synth while tweaking which gives great ideas - much more intuitive and inspirational than recording a part then adding the effect.
looks a great performance tool. im torn between getting more kit like this and going back in the box as i can write so much faster in ableton using automation for builds etc. but this type of kit lends itself so well to impromptu jamming and of course gigging.
Excellent !
Thank you! Cheers!
Every demo track you produce sounds bomb.
Nice of you to listen… I spend quite a while making them - normally it’s the reason for the video and gives me an excuse to write stuff.
anyone know if this has better headroom vs the smaller pedal version (RE-2)?
Amazing demo and a great pedal. Love the design of it too. Would love to hear some Nils Frahm-esque electric piano through it :) Also, where did you get an SH-101 in such great condition? It looks like new just from factory :)
Hey bro, strange you didnt mention the previous iteration re-20. Its lovely. However, this revision brings it up to Volante standards. Imo, the rolands sound more musical. Am so happy to see you review this. Cheers.
Yeah I didn't mention it because I've never used it - so couldn't really comment on it. I had though about picking one up, but they're £200 on eBay.
Not for much longer... imo
I would love to hear this on the *Moog Minotaur*
hmmm, interesting to compare it with the "Reminder". Competes it?
How is this different from my RE-20 I bought a decade ago? Anyone know.
Super curious about your take on the Juno X. Yes its a VST in a box but I sort of think that's the future and it looks like it might be one of the best interfaces for that experience.
I have the Fantom 8. If you don't care about the vst in a box thing and you want the juno layout its probably for you. I personally just like the warmth of older analog gear. You can make italodisco and Chicago house with the new stuff but it doesn't sound the same to my ears. Most digital effects just color it with a cold feel that doesnt sit well with me. A professional with the proper processing could probably make it so that I couldn't notice in a mix but I don't care to go through all that trouble and become that guy myself.
When are you getting a recording contract? Very good music.
The 101 is perfect for this
What watch is that?
Man, they made all the right choices in terms of dirtying the signal... saturation, wow n flutter, and vintage tape. And that's enough for me to want it. But they could've done better with the reverb...better hall, etc. and biggest miss is not having good stereo effects...ping pong, etc delays
such a great review/demo happy owner of the Volante, and not sure if its justified to get this next to it, they seem doing the samen, just a different workflow. Anyone here who owns both?
Great demo, thanks. Did you have to reamp the SH101 or can you go direct in to the Space echo?
It’s plugged in directly.
@@StarskyCarr thanks, might have to grab one of these. Sounds good.
How would you compare with the Erica Zen Delay? Regardless of the phasing issues and whine hi freq annoying tone from the Zen Delay
An interesting question… I love the zen delay it’s a superb live tool and the filters allow you to really play with an infinite delay. This is a more a recreation of the original. The zen is easier to control perhaps with its larger knobs (the phasing is a pain sometimes though! - I think it’s a minor latency causing it). This has the various head modes which are missing on the zen. For live tweaking I’d go Zen for more accurate Re201 I’d go with this. Happy with either tbh.
Super nice video as always ! One question : does Echoboy of Soundtoy is providing much more space effect than this one ? What's your feedback on those 2 ?
For the precise space echo effect this wins.. for flexibility soundtoys comes out on top.
Many thanks @@StarskyCarr 👍🏻 I have an MS20 and I'm looking for pushing harmonic to space, a bit like in your video "Behringer K2 vs Korg MS20 // the definitive comparison" at 36:00. I'm not sure the Re 201 Space Echo can achieve it ...
Can you use the saturation independently without the reverb and the delay? And great demonstration as well thanks.
Yes
Amazing thanks for confirming. You should be on commission as I’ll be ordering one soon 😉. I can see it becoming a right little workhorse for the studio. Thanks again.
I know they are add-ons and this was just a quick run through, but the alternative reverb algorithms sound terrible to me.
Hm, it does the intensity thing extremely well. However apart from that the uafx starlight sounds much more impressive for me.
Hey Starsky - Really interested in this as I had an original 501! Wish they'd made it a bit more 501-ish, though. Also puzzled - how do you access the 127 user memories?
Also not a fan of the spring on the Grandmother 😁
I’ve never attempted to access the other memory locations but I suspect it’s simply program changes. I use it in manual mode at all times - I’m not gigging with it which is where memories are more useful.
@@StarskyCarr Ah, thanks Starsky. Wondering if you could access them 'live' but I think not.
very interesting box. if i hear that note progression one more time, i'm going to jump in front of a dump truck tho.
Haha… I know what you mean. It drove me insane when editing!!
@@StarskyCarr thanks for the videos and all you do, man.
Amazing intro track and demo Starsky! Do you have any of your tracks available for my pleasure? 🤩
Zen delay or RE-202 as my first delay pedal for studio use?
It very much depends on what you’re planning on using it for. The Zen is fabulous for tweaking and holding the feedback in place then playing with the filter.. great for drops and builds and background textures. The Re202 is better for those classic tones - it’s much more like having a space echo with extras - so if there’s a particular head setting you like for example you’ll get it from the 202 but may not on the Zen. Zen has different styles of delay but not a range of tape echo settings. Something else to be aware of is the Zen makes a very very faint high pitch noise that can’t be heard in a mix but may be noticed in a studio setting (I never heard it until someone asked me to check it out - it doesn’t bother me as I generally don’t have stuff turned up to ear blistering levels but you may notice in a silent studio). In summary for fun, filters and experimentation the Zen for classic Space Delay accuracy the 202 - you can still have fun and experiment on the space delay obvs - but it’s always in the realms of a space delay.
@@StarskyCarr thank you for taking the time to giving me such a good answer and advice. Now i know for sure i will get the Zen:)
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Perfect demo - as always - Mad Respect ✊
Purrfect! 😀
How about the new smaller size unit like a guitar pedal? I wonder how it sounds.
It’s the sister/brother of this one. Smaller interface but maybe has the exact same algorithms internally. Worth checking the Boss website to see it they’re the same sound engineZ
@@StarskyCarr Just watched Anderton's review, the little one is missing the good stuff it looks like.
Head 1 can be up to 2 seconds long in slow mode.... and so why worry about slow taps being asigned to it?
… because if you want to tap it to get it in time with something you can’t use the whole range … 🤷♂️ don’t know why that wouldn’t be obvious tbh.
@@StarskyCarr
Wasn't obvious because your way of describing 'the problem' was inadequate.
Should I wish to truly understand it.. I have to wait to try it (on its way in post now)..... but your way of getting the point across (whatever the point is) failed.
You may understand it... but you failed to communicate it.
Not my fault you can’t understand it… everyone else seems to have.
I really want to love it and probably will when I buy it. Would have been nice if they added something like ping pong or panning per head. Btw this pedal sounds even more awesome with guitar.
Isn’t the tap tempo doing what it’s supposed to ie it’s setting the delay time to a division of the tempo. But you just can’t set what those divisions are (eg 8th, 16th’s etc). I think my re20 is the same.
Yeah but it’s a bit odd that the ‘base’ timing is head 1 which isn’t the beat but a subdivision. So you’re tapping a subdivision rather than the beat. Its make more sense to me to tap the 4/4 beat and it divided it. Not a biggie but something they could add the option maybe.
It sounds like an 8th note division. Your tapping is just telling it the tempo, and then, from that it calculates how long in time an 8th note would be, and then from then onwards whenever you play a note, you’ll hear it again delayed by an 8th note amount of time later….. the relationship between head 1 to 4 is the same as a tape echo, in that playback head 4 is further away from head 1 (and the record head) so the delay time is longer. So setting the time for head 1 and everything following makes sense when trying to match the behaviour of a physical tape echo.
@@silvertongues2 I know how it works, but tapping the tempo at the speed of head 1 is tapping incredibly quickly it would make more sense to tap the tempo, then the unit does the division for you. It’s literally impossible to tap especially with your foot at the speed of head 1 in most cases. It doesn’t matter if it follows head 1 like the original as that didn’t have tap tempo and head 1 doesn’t represent a single beat.
@@StarskyCarr it is doing the division for you, it's the same as any other tap tempo delay, same as the older RE20. You have an OB6? It's the same as the OB6, except you can see the calculated BPM in a display, and you can set the division (which you can't on the RE202). The tap tempo is setting the Repeat Rate which is the equivalent of Tape Speed, the heads don't have the notion of a speed. It's all just a matter of controlling how long it takes for the recorded sound on tape to travel from the record head, to the playback head, by controlling the tape speed / repeat rate.
@@silvertongues2 you’re not telling me anything new there 😂😂 no offence intended here - just the fact that in eg the OB6 when you tap the tempo you’re tapping the beat not 16ths or 32ths .. not quite sure what’s so hard to understand. Get one tap the tempo and see what I mean. Get another and tap the tempo and it’ll become clear. The major difference is with this you’re not tapping the beat but tapping head 1 which is generally used to play much faster rates than the beat. Normally you tap the beat and the Fx splits it down w to 8ths 16th etc with this you’re tapping the 16ths. Dead simple concept, but not sure I think it works well in practise. Great unit though. Sounds ace - and I’m no longer looking for a vintage tape unit which is exactly the market I suspect Roland were tapping (get it?) into 😀
oe,nice
Does it have chorus ?
No.
@@StarskyCarr thx think I’ll get one.
The signal it's giving off sounds a tad too 'clean' and I'm not hearing that tape saturation you get when putting something through one of the originals.
I'm not saying this doesn't have its place, but part of the charm of the originals is that saturation and degradation you get by putting the signal onto tape. Quite frankly I've heard better plugin emulations than this.
I can't see/ hear how this should be as good or better than loads of other retro Delay options (Plugins).
You can get similar tones form loads of stuff but I think the interaction of the various functions and the original style interface and knobs that distinguish this. But yeah.. loads of stuff does tape style delays, not quite as accurate from a functionality POV as this.
There are some great software plugin delays, but mostly, this sort of kit appeals to those who prefer a dedicated 'hands on' hardware interface. Both software and hardware have their place and some people may tend to prefer one over the other.
Some of us stare at screens all day in work and don’t want to deal with more during creative time.
You're the best?! 😏 🎹👈❤️
Yes, the character is similar, although the spring is not so deep, it may be worth putting heating transformers at the exit for depth, otherwise it’s not bad at all. Could make a separate spring reverb block for connoisseurs of a real spring, although you can come up with your own docking!)
I found the rc 20 sounded the same all the time
I really hope they pay you well into the six digit numbers for these videos because otherwise your doing it wrong... I saw other RE202 vids demos and this is the only one that screams at me sweet symphonies....
Haha I really wish someone would pay me anything!! 🤦♂️😂
I heard Bo Beats doesn’t get out of bed for less than $150,000.
You make me want that pedal. My head is pregnant with possibilities
For once, you didn't cost me any money... unfortunately that's because I already paid for mine in full two weeks ago :D
Haha.. glad I'm not to blame this time :)
@@StarskyCarr I've been in the same boat as you for a while though, on the hunt for an original 201 and nothing has come up. This seemed like a no brainer when it was announced. Glad to see it's a good replication of the analogue device, hopefully mine will turn up soon.
turn the unit on and off for chage effect character is a step backward in this time, useless for itegratet studio gear,
but the effects are still very good sounding.
Also a very good review with synth - one pattern - here, comparing the RE-202 with the RE-20:
ua-cam.com/video/v08mGG24DpM/v-deo.html
Spoiler: the (discontinued) RE-20 is superior.
how did you get your hands on one and is it really affordable?
£305 at Rimmers in the U.K. so depends on if you think that’s affordable. Compared to £2k it’s a lot more affordable. 😀
There was the Boss RE-20 that did come before this, which is also pretty good, although not offering quite as many features as this one. BTW, why isn't the head selector knob notched? It seems to make it very susceptible to being accidentally moved! Also, the power-off-power-on-whilst-holding-tap to select the type of reverb is really dumb. Reverbs that are frankly horrible sounding (and probably an afterthought hence the weird way to access them?). $540 CAD for that? No thanks. I'd prefer a Strymon Volante for $40 less. Anyway, thanks for sharing. (small quibble if I may, hearing the same notes being played over and over for 15 minutes was getting a bit tiresome in the end?)
I have to apologise for the notes they drove me to the edge of sanity while editing. I was hoping that it would make comparisons between sections easier to hear. An experiment I won’t be repeating 🤦♂️😂
I have a Volante but I'm still very tempted to get one of these. On paper they make look very similar, but the character and sound seem really quite different. I hope someone does a head-to-head comparison video.
The Volante's built-in reverb sounds fantastic though, definitely better than the default reverb on this unit, and arguably better than the alternative reverbs this offers as well.
@@StarskyCarr
Thanks for taking my constructive criticism to heart! 😉
@@rdean150 Agreed. I'm a big fan of my Volante and agree entirely with your take on its lovely built-in spring verb
Looks and sounds ace but it ain't replacing my El Capistan
Haha the El Capistan has a lot more flexibility for sure.
Oh, what a fantastic 6 note phrase he's playing all the time, literally ALL THE TIME!! ...sorry, I couldn' stand it any longer than 10 minutes.
Haha fair enough! I thought I’d try to do the same thing so you could hear the differences… but it drove me insane by the end!!
@@StarskyCarr Never mind! I really appreciate your work and big thanks for that video.
I am sure it is a really difficult task to demo effects. Playing the same notes with the same sound while changing all the settings may really give us the best idea what the unit is capable of. Kind of a deep dive, maybe.
But on the other hand, I personally would have liked to get an idea of what it can do in different musical contexts with different kinds of typical keyboard sounds, such as pads, EPs, clavs, String Machines, etc...
@@torstenp6392 I know.. I had to make the decision between demoing the different modes and demoing different instruments ... guitarists can just play a guitar! so I concentrated on the different modes here.. maybe I'll make another with different sounds - but its too much for a single video if you want to dig into the functions and understand the impact on the result. What I should have done was just make minor changes. You live and learn!
Price point is too high, sales volume will be very low. T-Rex way more authentic tape sound
SH 101, my fav ever synth. Roland, the Lancia of synths, how to be 5 times in a row world rallye champion and then disappear with awful actual digital products. This digital pedal is simply an awful plug sold at gold price. I hope Roland and Behringer get bankrupted asap. The best tape delay was the Korg Stage Echo, far better than Roland ones. Mine was stolen by instrument seller. Got a real 201 but is inferior.
A emulation ☹️ but not a clone. I wish it was a portable clone.
Impasta troppo.
😂😂
The first version of this pedal, the RE-20, as with most of the emulation pedals Boss came out with around that time, was absolute total rubbish -- a harsh lo-fi effect that sounded only vaguely like a space echo.
This one sounds pretty good.though.
I've used the RE-20 for more than 10 years and I'm pretty happy with it. Harsh lo-fi? Don't think so. The sound is actually pretty similar to this one, only without presets
@@lagunagfx Disappointing if the new one hasn't drastically improved the sound. I've also had an RE-20 for 10 years. It sounds nothing like a Roland. Sounds digital in all the worst ways -- linear and grating.
@@Thoracius i own various tape delays plus some digital emularions. I do like the sound of the RE20 and don’t hear much difference between it and this new edition. That’s my impression, at least. Usually it’s good to not overdrive its input and as a note, I must say I always use it as a send fx, and never liked it’s reverb specially (even from the original Roland). The MIDI capabilites are interesting, though nothing unique in that price range.
As a producer I usually add external eq and some flanger to the send chain. Using external feedback on a send instead of the internal “repeats” give some interesting results.
I sold my Roland RE-201 because it was a nightmare to maintain. Expensive and not much reliable, plus the constant decay of tapes. Vintage gear could be ugly sometimes. I find the Wem/Watkins Copycat is the perfect balance because of its simpler mechanisms. Anyway, to each their own, I guess it’s a matter of personal preference.
Use whatever fits your taste, mate. I’m happy not dealing with stuck capstans and preamp failures. Hope this pedal feels your needs.
I've owned a RE-20 for about a year, and it isn't harsh sounding at all. Sounded pretty similar to this one actually. I sold it because there weren't any presets on it and because the spring reverb emulation was poor (much like this one also). This RE-202 simply looks and sounds like a revamped RE-20 for a lot more $.
The Twist & the Warp FX's are SO overtly LOUD< it makes them completely USLESS. VERY disappointed in this RE202.
I made the mistake of buying a Strymon Timeline after loving my 'Big Sky Reverb' The timeline to me is rubbish and really not much use as regards real time manipulation.Thank you for this demo.