Teenager Fixated on Jordan Peterson Teachings Dies in Storm Drain | Noah Donohoe Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
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So based on your logic when they find me dead they’ll say “Man who was fixated on Dr.Todd Grande’s teachings was found dead”. Lol
Exactly
LoL
Nah, you'll be fine.
@@peteywheatstraws4909 doubt it
@@peteywheatstraws4909 doubt it…
The idea of psychosis leading him to strip his clothing, crawl into a confined space, and then drown is eerily similar to the case of Elisa Lam (the young lady who drowned in a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles).
Yes, that was the 1st thing that came to mind for me.
Dr. Also thought maybe the young special needs girl in the jungle got disorientation and got naked. Is that a thing?
@@manuellubian5709me too, it's odd that his body didn't have serious water damage. It was raining at the time so it was wet. Maybe he was trying to hide
She was murdered.
I read about that and it is terrifying. She was stalked within the hotel and later discovered drowned.
A few years ago, my neighbor's teenage son left to go hang out with friends or whatever. His mom said he left the house completely fine.
An hour later, he was walking along the highway, naked, acting erratically, like screaming and clawing his face, stepping in front of cars until one finally hit him. He survived, somehow. They asked his mom if he was a drug user, she said no but toxicology was positive for LSD.
He has no memory of any of it, but that could be because the head injuries he sustained were severe and he lost a lot of memories but nobody really knows how or why any of it happened.
The theory is that he met up with a friend who gave it to him and either took it willingly or was tricked, he doesn't know.
Some of these weird cases remind me of that
... were the toxicology reports on this case released? Is that something they could have been keeping hidden?
Bs... lsd is very hard to check for.. I think you need to do it by spinal fluid.. and the emounts are extremly small and are methabolized very fast into proteins ur body contains. no ordinary drug test from either police or hospitals check for lsd. And as a drug user for 34 yrs I have some experience regarding this.
Please report people walking on the freeways. No matter how “innocent” appearing.
It is bizarre to see a man walking on the shoulder in the direction of the traffic, in the direction AWAY from the nearby onramp out of a nice neighborhood, no parked vehicles from where he was walking (along the shoulder). If he needed a telephone, the correct direction to walk would be the opposite.
He wasn’t flailing his arms or acting “weird” in any way. But where he was headed was nothing but freeway for CARS, not people.
Of course, something was wrong with the guy… 😧
People consume god-knows what these days. Please don’t be indifferent 🙏🌿
Of course, no one acts this way unless it's drug induced.
@@iainlee4274 i'm gonna go do it sober just to contradict you
Im a friend of Noah’s mother and this has mentally scarred her so deeply, she hasn’t been silent for a single day about calling for the investigation to be open and some very important evidence and locations were not checked out or exhibits lost with no explaining. My heart goes out to Fiona, she isn’t the same woman and this has broken her to the core but she’s still very fiercely advocating for not only Noah but children in certain situations similar to Noah’s
Boys without fathers never become men.
My deepest condolences to Noah’s mum… this is absolutely heart breaking and disturbing to the core hearing this as a mum..
Reading into Noahs case and some of Fiona’s interview, it is incomprehensible how can a teenage boy’s de*th be so easily ruled as su*c*de over how the boy can be supposedly confused about his s*xuality. That is ABSURD… not to mention no boys of Noah age would think along of drowning in a dark locked water drain as their choice of exit….
Mental health is so important, but to use it as a way to justify an unexplainable case is just discriminatory and lazy. I truly hope your friend Fiona gets insight and justice for Noah..
Please stay safe..
So sorry for her and praying for her
this title is wild
I'm waiting to see what's the relation between all of those things...
You clicked on the video
Mission accomplished
Dr Grande almost always had those interesting titles
Basically a kid that may have been gay decided to be brainwashed by the loser/grifter Jordan Peterson and in the end decided he was evil and after hearing Peterson rant about sodom and gamohra and how the entire society was “killed by his for being gay” killed himself to make up for it. Too bad mentally ill people, especially kids, can’t detect it in others like Jordan Peterson.
@VIK_1903 wait till end
When i was 14 the neighborhood i was living in had a really bad flood. All us kids were playing in the water when one of the neighbor kids who was only 10 went running through the water to catch up to his friends and got sucked down a storm drain that the manhole cover had got blown off of. I watched the entire thing happened and us kids tried everything to try and find him until the adults showed up. They ended up finding him that day about a mile down river from where the storm drain lets out. Of course he was gone. It could have been any of us, none of us thought about that happening.
That's horrific!
Sounds like page 7 of a Stephen King novel. Terrifying.
Poor kid, RIP, and poor you too.
That's right. Kids never think of danger. And will be drawn to action spots water, storms, drains and tunnels. Your poor little friend. Thank God yourself lived to tell the tale. 💚
A similar thing happened in Edmonton Alberta years ago
😔🌹🫂🫂🫂🫂🦋🦋so sorry for your friend 🤲
We had a local case where a man was walking around naked in a neighborhood, and multiple people ignored him or made fun of him. Nobody called the police. Then he walked into a house and killed a grandfather in front of his grandchildren.
Where did this happen? Had to be horrible for those kids.
Nakedness is a red flag unless in a nudist colony. The individual being unstable of mind or violent. Often both. They should be avoided and authorities notified immediately.
I would stay far away from a naked kid. So easy for that to get misconstrued.
Yeah call the police but I ain’t going near him
@@jesspeinado480 Being in a nudist colony is a red flag.
@@jesspeinado480 or they could just be on acid or shrooms and having a beautiful trip lol
when you get to a purer level of self you realize this society and everything it puts on you is bs. Like clothes.
Thank you Dr. Grande, you surely listen to your audience. I remember seeing the person’s comment asking you to examine the case of Noah Donahoe. You are appreciated, thank you. Such a tragedy, sometimes we don’t fully know what’s going in our children’s lives. I hope his mother can get some answers from the Police with the help of a victim’s group or something of the like.
Me too- that was only a few days ago! Dr Grande is ON it!
He sure does!!
This is really sad. Poor kid. So young and confused, trying to do what he thought was a "good" thing. Breaks my heart to think of him dying in a storm drain.
I don't understand how people can see a naked kid and not report it, if that was me I would definitely check if he was okay, we have responsibilities as adults to take care of others, especially kids, he could've been mugged or robbed or whatever, you can't just ignore that
@@JohnnytNaturalmany years ago, I remember a young man was doing a meditation course in the Blue mountains in Australia when he experienced a schizophrenic episode, he ran away from the meditation centre and into the megalong valley. By the time he reached the valley he had removed all of his clothes. People saw him and most certainly reported it to the police. You are correct, why didn't people report this to the police?
BENZO ADDICTION.
LOOK ATBHOW FICKED UP. HE LOOKS. NOW COMPARED. TO WHEN HE FIRST
"WENT VIRAL".
DUDE - I WAS
OVER AND TOO LONG PRESCRIBED THESE MOTHER'S LITTLE HELPERS AND WITHOUT A MICRO DISE KF THIS BULLLSHIT POISON I AM DESTROYED.
THEY FINE - TUNED THE DRUG
TI WHERE IT BASICALLY YOUR
PHYSICAL BRAIN CAN NO LONGER
PRODUCE THE GABA AMONIACID THATBIS THE BRAKE FLUID OF THE BRAIN ANS OT RESULTS IN YOUR MIND SHATTERING INTO A BILLION PIECES WHEN YOU STOP?
WHAT THE FUCK?
I NEVER SIGNED UP FOR THAT AMD INFORMED CONSENT WASN'T A THING LILENIT IS NOW BUT YEAH.
HE COULD HAVE JSED. HIS DWINDLING LLAGFORM TO BRING AWARENESS TO
A REACTION TO LONG TERM. PRESCRIBED USE
AND THAT IF HE DIDN'T HAVE MILIONS OF DOLLARS FEOM. HIS BOOK DEALS AND LECTURES, HE WOULD
HAVE BEEN GUTTERBALLED
LIKE THE REST OF US WITH LITTLE MONEY AND LITTLE FAMILY.
HIS DAUGHTER DESCRIBES PREVENTING HIM. FROM. KILLING HIMSELFNON A DAILY BASIS BABBLING INCOHERENTLY
AND
JP HABING TO BE
PUT INTO A MEDICALLY+INDICED COMA AND
YEAH
AND HE COMES. OUT OF A FEW YEARS STREAK OF THE VIRAL THING, SOUGHT AFTER PODCAST
GUEST HE'S NEARING 60 AND YEAH 0:02
@@maureenobrien4807 Trendy buzz words. Meaningless.
This whole story is incredibly tragic and sad. Imagine how shocked and devastated his poor mother must have been.
really gay
@@kevinmcdonald951 Bro, that's an interesting way to 'come out'.
@@kevinmcdonald951- my friend is really gay too, would you like me to set you both up?
As it turns out being a single mother with (?) confused children doesn't typically produce good results.
@@hotwingdaddy6066coal toll payed
The use of Jordan Peterson’s image in the video description is misleading clickbait and shameful grab at attention. He has nothing to do with this tragedy.
this is literally untrue?
@@killingtimeitself yep
@@killingtimeitself Most of what the video talks about is public knowledge. JLP is a grifter with a track record of distructive dialog.
u got that damn right@@wishusknight3009
@@wishusknight3009 People have opinions. Sharing those opinions do not make you liable for other people's behavior. I'm not a huge fan of Jordan Peterson, but he's not responsible for someone taking their own life by talking about baptism by water. Noah was clearly troubled. If we are worried about others taking our words wrong, and being responsible for that, then we'd never say anything.
I love how 90% + comments refuse to mention his struggles with his sexuality and instead fixate on being mentally ill. I wonder why?????
People might wonder why Dr Jordan Peterson is in the thumbnail. Jordan Peterson does have something to do with the case. I've studied this case as I'm from Belfast and when Noah went missing, he was spotted on his bike without his backpack on. Police concluded that he must have dropped it or someone took it from him. His bag was eventually located and the contents inside except his laptop. However there was a Dr Jordan Peterson book inside his bag, this confused the police as they didn't except such a young boy reading Jordan Peterson. Furthermore, on Twitter Noah before his death was speaking to a Twitter user who was claiming to be Dr Jordan Peterson and Noah was speaking to him in his DM's. The police believed this to be the real Jordan Peterson at first and established contact with Jordan Peterson to fully confirm that it was him. However it wasn't, the police had to make sure.
This was all covered in the video.
@@eadweard.I made a comment due to see the most popular comment why is Jordan Peterson in the thumbnail and figured it wasn't mentioned within the video, thus explaining the comment in the first place.
Just because the kid was interested in Peterson doesn't mean he has anything to do with the case. I'm sure the kid read other books that he liked, are those authors involved in the case too? Idk why, but Dr Grande tried to imply a link, despite there not being any evidence that indicates the kid's death was related at all to his interest in Peterson. Bizarre case and a bizarre analysis.
@@ShadoSnipr Don't you feel it's rather important that Noah could've been possibly speaking to Jordan Peterson before his death? Although it wasn't but if it was actually Jordan Peterson, it could have shed some light on the investigation into Noah's mindset. I feel it's important but to others they don't care.
@@IrishTechnicalThinker Makes you wonder about the content of their communication. If a kid believes he's receiving messages from the great JP, it might put his head in a whole other place.
Thank you so much for analysing this case. Noah's mother deserves answers.
She has the answers. They may be distressing and difficult to accept, but it is what it is.
@@It-is-me...MelsieYou have over 100 comments on this channel. Touch grass.
@@poopy-333W mental health check❤️
Dr. Grande is a full blpwn leftist.
@@It-is-me...Melsie No. She doesn't have the answers. How much, aside from this one video, do you actually know about this?!
The most stressful and devasting experience anyone could possibly go through is the loss of a child; I know what that poor mother is going through.
Sorry for what you went through. May you heal.😞🙏❤️
The mother had the answers but instead she decided to lie and push blame and stir up sectarian hatred across Northern Ireland. She was and still is an alcoholic and she treated her son badly. Leaving him home alone on multiple occasions while she got drunk in the local pub. A disgrace.
Anyone? You know there are psychopath parents that won't feel a thing if their kids die.
@@AIuzky Most mother are normal or close to normal. Most mothers care about their children more than anything else in the world. Of couse thier is mental involved in all fasets of life.
She Irish, she’s going through a bottle and flake
That poor kiddo 🥺🥺 RIP Noah 🙏🏻❤
I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the way you sift through the BS conspiracy theories and stick to the facts. That way this young man's story can be told truthfully and his memory honored. Thank you Dr. G!
Your cameo in the recently released Boogie2988 doc was exactly what that film needed. As always, good work, Dr. Grande.
I wasn’t going to finish the doc but now I am. Thank you 🤝
Hold up, documentary? Also RIP Boogie2988
eh what? He's not dead. @@lefish5277
Looking forward to seeing this.
I have never heard of Boogie, so it is interesting seeing Dr. Grande explaining him (or his behavior) to others.
It is not my type of content, and I wish the poor guy well.
One of these days Dr. Grande will blow all our minds and say he IS diagnosing someone in this video 😂
I think your prediction about his psychosis is spot-on (having experienced religious psychosis myself) and this case absolutely breaks my heart
Can't imagine how bad of an episode it must've been to go out in such a horrific manner
My uncle had manic depression and one time as a teen he stripped off and was marking crosses on people. He thought he was Jesus.
It’s strange not only how common religion -based psychosis is , and that people seem to get naked for it (even Noah- there was no need to strip until he got to the storm drain. But he stripped partway to his destination.
Religious psyschosis? Please explain. Thank you in advance.
Prediction?
@@maryrankin9869 I googled it. Its something to do with religion and psychosis as in one leading to the other. Like taking it too far in meaning. This boy didn't have a good mentor to explain what all it means, so in short took it upon himself to gain meaning from bits of partial information. For example, those who believe in eliminating all the infidels. In actuality, God would not want you to do that.
It should also be noted that this was after months of lockdown, which took a serious toll on some children’s mental health.
insanely profound point
Lockdown did zero favors to anyone.
Lockdowm prevented the entire country from turning into New York at the time. Your comment demonstrates severe ignorance of the crisis of the early virus. It was painful but necessary to lockdown at the time.@@lindsayb7811
I spent my whole childhood in my house playing videogames I turned out ok mental weakness causes a deterioration of mental health
Kids paid, and are still paying, the price for our cowardice.
I’m from Northern Ireland & this case shook us all to our core 😭💔
Don't be silly.
@@eadweard. have a nice day!
@@carriebrooklyn_musicI am shocked at the callousness of the police...surely everyone there, especially his mom deserve answers.
The same in the south, we were shocked by poor Noah's sad story
@@mayogalI was moved to see posters about him all over the south and later popping up all over the continent.
This is a very sad case. He really was trying to help himself with the literature he had at hand. Trying to find answers for his sadness. Rest in peace, Noah. 🙏🏾 Thank you, Dr. Grande. ✌🏾
to be in a vulnerable place and to depend on one source of inspiration and guidance… i can relate all too well. i’m grateful for my life.
please pay attention to your close and loved ones… don’t be more afraid to be ridiculed than to put in effort to assure someone else’s wellbeing.
But sadly he found Jordan Peterson who only had the effect to reinforce his feelings of guilt and shame for his stuggles about his sexuality leading him to psicosis and ultimaltely to death.
Hate propaganda kills.
@@laural3738 tell me you've never read a single sentence Peterson has written without telling me you've never read a single sentence Peterson has written.
@@LegerRonexactly
He wasn't fixated on Mr. Peterson. He was in need of a father! Not having a father is not a "mental health" issue, it's the sad state of Western society.
Many fathers desert in all societies. Even when they are home.🙁
Well, many of us had biological fathers and mothers with mental health issues. Somebody ain't doing it right, I guess. Just having a biological father is not a panacea.
Poor child. He was at an age where children are so suggestible and he was swayed by things he did not understand. Rest in piece little guy
Storm sewers typically don't fill up with water unless there's a storm. That's why engineers came up with the idea. It's a nice way to handle and divert a lot of extra water. In any case a storm sewer is considered a confined space in most developed countries and every maintenance person entering one must be trained on confined spaces and there's a whole protocol that must be followed BEFORE entering. The dangers of confined spaces cannot be overstated. Oxygen deprivation kills in less than 30 minutes. 3000' down a tunnel is not a great spot for oxygen unless there are many air ducts. This person could have easily died from oxygen deprivation. If water carried his body 3000' that would be obvious to the medical examiner. If he crawled 3000' on his own power then he likely died from lack of oxygen. If I was the mother I would launch a civil lawsuit against the city for not installing the padlock on the gate to the storm sewer. If the padlock was installed as it should this child may very well still be alive. I could be wrong but that's my take from what I've seen in this video.
@frankmollegaard1989 Wow, they didn’t even do an autopsy on him? No wonder people are suspicious!
Dr. G covered that -the maintenance guy for the city forgot to put the padlock back on
Lots of useful information
Thanks for the detailed thoughtful insight into this case
Nothing to do with the City Corporation, but the NI Dept for Infrastructure
I imagine that if he crawled naked down the tunnel himself and then died from lack of oxygen then the medical examiner would know that too. I think there would be scuff marks on his hands and knees and the lack of oxygen would show up on the results of some sort of blood or tissue test.
How tragic. That poor young boy. Are the police worried about government liability? Was the maintenance man who forgot to padlock the storm drain a government employee? I hope that his mother is given the answers that she needs and is entitled to
The police service in Northern Ireland is just a huge mess.
I don’t know much about Irish police forces. However, this case certainly doesn’t make them look good. My heart breaks for Noah’s mom. Especially when I see the pictures that Dr. Grande flashed during the video
Who's afraid of the Limerick dwarf? Higgy loves the piggys so you can expect he'll be inside their trousers, expressing his gratitude to his Northern superiors. An Garda Síochana wouldn't do any better but at this point even bringing corrupt Drew Harris back with some of his CI's might move someone into talking...someone knows something but the gangs are grand at silencing people but only for a limited time. Even Chief Constable Simon Byrne "resigned" from PSNI and perhaps that was just his way of avoiding a non confidence vote, as Harris experienced. What a mess police services are in Ireland, so many unsolved cases just swept away.....
Saoirse go deo agat Saoirse no bas!
The Police provided evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service after the inquest, as there was an application for a 'corporate manslaughter' charge against the authority responsible for the storm drain.
The CPS decided there wasn't sufficient evidence to get a conviction, so it was discontinued 'in the public interest'.
@@elizabethhamm5320 It's northern ireland so it's actually the UK, not the country of Ireland.
The child was found nude, deep in a storm drain tunnel that was USUALLY locked, was hard to navigate and in an area that he was unfamiliar and with. The damage to his body was inconsistent with actually having been in the water for six days.... I'm not so sure about the "accidental"/mental illness explanation on this one....
Totally agree with you 👍
Indeed you are correct. Mixed race child, Catholic back round in stridently working class, white loyalist area. A similar attack in the same area a month or two previously on A Catholic child on a bike bore every hall mark of a potential attack on Noah. But most of all WHAT ARE THE POLICE OBVIOUSLY HIDING. THAT IS THE MYSTERY !.
Based on the evidence it’s the most plausible theory. He had so many symptoms of experiencing a mental break.
Noah was interested in Jordan Peterson’s work, would hardly say he was “fixated”…
what a title 🤦🏾♂️💀
My heart goes out to his mum. So heartbreaking.
There's a lovely photo of him in his school uniform, he was going to a good school in the area. His poor mam Fiona.
my prayers for noah's mother
just make sure you do not consider her being involved in his death nor being any responsible
How incredibly sad. My heart goes out to the mother. She’ll never get over this.
I was born in Northern Ireland, my family moved to the Republic of Ireland right after and then almost immediately afterwards to Boston, MA, US where I live now. My son was born in 2005, and I just can’t imagine losing him… he’s technically an adult but I just only see him as my child, my baby. I couldn’t begin to imagine the depth of a parent’s pain who loses a child so young so suddenly and with so many questions left unanswered. I hope everyone who loved him is granted some peace and some reprieve.
a parents love is one of the strongest forces in the universe. i wish those who knew him peace as well.
Ireland has become a sh-thole anyway, it use to be one of the greatest countries in Europe, now it's no different then the sh-thole London or Paris,
It is truly sad what the leaders have done, if there is a reckoning, I will have no pity for them
I think it is ridiculous that the police are not being forthright. I also think it is sad that the poor young man was unraveling. He seemed very intelligent, even having these deeper ideas about life at such a young age.😢
Please see my answer to this point - the Police weren't withholding actual evidence, merely their specific techniques in gathering it (because this is Northern Ireland).
@@TheCatBilboAH,, they probably had to use military people and classified gear...
This police "cover up" reminds me of the Nicola Bulley case
@@lindacosma2064 ..it seems like the cops are only trying to conceal specialized equipment and,, maybe,, save the family some horrible details....... Like,, we were only able to get to your son after using a highly classified digging device developed by the military for finding unexploded torpedoes or artillery shells,, this device had to cut through probably 25 ft of interlaced branches to find the horribly disfigured corpse of your son, before we had to use another highly classified device to actually tunnel in there to retrieve the body and this device caused some damage to your son's remains however got them all out basically in one,, collection.. both classified devices are separate purpose, one is for search and one is for recovery,, and anyway the case is closed and your son's corpse has been returned in basically the shape we were able to get it out,, now please don't reveal that these devices exist or at least that we have them because the CIA thinks they excel in this technology and we don't want to cause any problems...
Wouldn't go down at all well that, in a regular interview......
The police being forthright? Don't hold your breath. From being pro law enforcement, I no longer support them. I try not to be in a position where I have to rely on police. They are usually incompetent and untrustworthy. There's no situation that police can't escalate and make worse.
Dr. Grande have you ever had the opportunity to examine the case of Mitchelle Blair? In 2015, she involved two of her own children in a horrifying incident where they assisted in the murder of their two siblings, followed by the gruesome act of stuffing their lifeless bodies into a freezer. This infamous case earned her the chilling moniker of the "Freezer Mom." Blair ultimately pleaded guilty to first-degree murder charges and is currently serving a life sentence in prison.
I remember this case. Very bizarre.
That story was horrible. Life is too good for that woman
I wonder how women are treated in prison when other prisoners know she killed children? In male prisons, men who kill children need to be constantly monitored because other prisoners will target child killers.
i’m from detroit, mi, mitchelle blair is the devil. to blame your childrens’ murders on your other children… tuh. detroit’s people deserve better. especially their children. michigan is beautiful, it’s a travesty to be home to monsters like her…
her interview is infuriating
Based on the title, I thought Dr. Grande was going to say he believes Jordan Peterson stripped him of his clothes and while baptizing him, accidentally held him under to long.
I'm glad this wasn't the case, I don't think I would have been able to recover from that kind of news.
Just speculation. Could have happened in a similar case. I mean people die of triggering ever day because they read JBP so yeah he definitely did it.
@@Unspun417
Can you provide the names of the people who died yesterday because of JP?
I was being sarcastic. I'm sure some sociology study proves that someone dies inside every 14 seconds because of existential threats to living their truth@@steveptasznik6147
As a med student, i had a patient with psychosis that cut his hands off and ran down the streets naked until police caught up with him and brought him to trauma center. Ortho was able to surgically attach his hand.
Turns out he was having an affair and he used Jesus's teaching:
And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
My psychiatry professor had a similar case during her fellowship but it was the eye that was enucleated.
Very sad.
This whole case sounds like a Flannery O’Connor story. She has a novel and a short story that each include fixation on baptism and involve death.
A good recommendation. Must read. TY.
ah yes, I just commented the same about OConnor! Tragic
Her stories are fantastic. I wish the Coen brothers would turn one of them into a film.
In case you didn’t know, there’s a video of her reading A Good Man is Hard to Find. In her accent it’s even better if that’s even possible.
I remember the flannery o Connor story. But her story was fiction and involved a tot with two drunk parents
My favorite author.
I suggested this case and thank you Dr Grande from the bottom of my heart for giving your time to analyse it. As us Brits say, you're a top bloke!
legend
It's quite obvious to me that he hit his head when he fell off the bike. Everything that happened afterwards fits the symptoms of acute brain trauma without unconsciousness. An autopsy would confirm this. There are many examples of bizarre behavior after someone hits their head. The swelling and bleeding creates pressure that causes delusions.
Hello British neighbor 😊Good suggestion. That was interesting. I think it's sad that ppl would see a child nude walking and riding his bike and not call the authorities as they continue to follow from a distance, keeping them informed of his exact location until officers arrive to the area and the person from his neighborhood that noticed him out nude also.
You're the neighbor, maybe speak to the boy and assist him home or go get his mother and tell her what you saw. There can't be any good reason for him to be wandering around unclothed. I feel like things could have been done that would have prevented this tragic outcome. Very very sad.
"Bloke", eh? So you're in the UK?
An aspect of this case stood out to me from the American standpoint: Under the USA's laws/Constitution, the police do not need judicial approval to withhold some aspect of an active investigation. Over the rather large pond from us Yanks, under English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish laws, must the police generally disclose to the public/news media every sordid detail of a crime unless under Judicial authorization NOT to?
My guess is that the Police Service actually DOES suspect foul play and they wish to withhold something of which only the guilty party is aware.
My hypothesis is that the autopsy revealed a drug the effects of which are consistent with the individual stripping off. Somebody surreptitiously and with malice administered such intoxicant to the victim and the police want to trick him/her into admitting to doing so.
@@NickKautz Yes, it would seem the head injury along with his already fragile mind possibly exacerbated his psychosis.
Wow! Thank you for covering this story, I'd not heard of Noah's tragedy before now.
Awful situation, sending all the love and positive vibes to his poor family..
Great job Dr. Grande.
Sometimes there are frightening reasons that caused the psychosis. RIP smart little guy☦
Yeah, bad genetics.
@@Straightjacket154Elaborate.
@@ConfusedRevolutionary Elaborate.
@@nonyobisniss7928elaborate
@@Straightjacket154yeah that’s likely a complicated issue but epigenetic aspects would effect what genetics would be expressed and many other factors can severely effect mental health from mold to heavy metal poisoning and nutritional deficiencies.
I saw a few people asking for this topic just a few days ago in the comments section of that day's upload! Thank you for always creating the content your subscribers ask for, Dr. Grande! I just want you to know that it doesn't go unnoticed ❤
This is so bizarre. I figure the boy thought he is possessed by satan or that satan is following him and he urgently had to get into water to get rid of him or purge his body. Poor child. At least they found him so the family has a closure. I know that if I saw a naked boy, I would try to follow him and keep visual contact until police arrive. How do you see a naked child and carry on with your business?!
He was just another drug user who walked into water. Happens all the time in big cities, especially at the weekend.
@@iainlee4274he was ?
The reference to Peterson in the title is essential to the story. Not click bait.
How so?
@@russellharvey7096 he quite literally has JPs written work. Carries it with him regularly apparently, seems to have looked at recent JP media shortly before the incident, and there are parallels between JPs media, beliefs and what happened here? I think it's pretty obvious.
@@killingtimeitself You could tell the whole story without the JP reference, and it would make almost as much sense. Not that it's irrelevant, but certainly not essential.
You're speculating that Noah carried the book with him regularly, for all we know, he only had it in his backpack the one time. And you're speculating that he looked at recent JP media. It was only mentioned that there was a recent podcast on Sodom and Gomorrah. Whether he watched that or not, we don't know.
you're also speculating on whether or not he carries the book regularly, and same for the podcast, if the podcast was recently released, used those terms, and he had used the terms, and been a regular consumer of JP media, than its very likely he at least saw the podcast.
if we're complaining about essential details we might as well just title the video "person dies in storm drain"@@russellharvey7096
having 1,42 million subscribers a psychologist isn't an Instagram b looking for money and popularity posting nudes
It sounds like Noah was experiencing the onset of schizophrenia
Dad be like "you pregnant? I'm leaving the country" 🤮
I love the fact Dr G uploads once a day. The G is for grinding
Or, 'Get 'er done'
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I was a bit surprised to not hear any mention of his absent father as part of the analysis. It may not have been entirely the problem, but I would wager my house that this could have gone down differently or not happened at all if he had stayed around.
Maybe, if the father was a decent person. We have no idea whether he was.
@@Nocturnalux no decent man abandons his son. Not one.
I cannot imagine how devastating this would be for his mother and other family members. To not know exactly what happened would seem so much harder. Such a tragic mystery, a trag-ery. Walking around naked one minute and then in a storm drain the next. Definitely odd. Poor kid. Thank you for another interesting video, Dr. Grande. We all love your videos sooo much. ❤❤
Dr. Jordan Peterson must answer if he recommends baptism in storm drains.
Yes! Why is he so silent on this matter?? Very suspicious.
@@russellharvey7096 Two Russells can't be wrong.
@@RussellFlowers Ha! Didn't even notice! You are right.
Whether one likes Jordan Peter or not I eriously doubt Peterson ever advocated for the bizarre behaviors this boy engaged in. Considering his mental problems, it wouldnt matter who's books he was reading
What you don’t know is that this child wasn’t familiar with the area or the storm drain! Normally it would have been locked! Too many more questions unanswered.
My sincerest condolences for his mum. What a horrible things to have to go through.
I would be careful about sending any condolences that way. Fiona Donohoe has a lot to answer for. She lied about her son’s mental state and she stirred up sectarian conspiracies to deflect from the fact that she treated her son badly. She was an alcoholic and she left her young son alone on many occasions while she got drunk in a local pub.
let's not consider that fact that she was possibly the only person who could have been involved in his death
I'm afraid it will be difficult for anyone outside the north of Ireland to get to grips with a lot of the issues surrounding this case due to a lack of context about the history of the Troubles. There are serious issues here with sectarianism on both sides and racism particularily within the loyalist community. The police here have a long history of corruption and collusion with loyalists, the use of criminal informants and covering up their crimes has been commonplace for decades. An individual who attempted to murder me 20 years ago was released with a suspended sentence after commiting several other serios crimes he only went to prison a year later for commiting a murder.
Totally agree normally love Dr Grande but I feel he completely missed this significant factor
Never Surrender! The IRA bombed and killed innocent men, women and children. They were served justice in Gibraltar by the SAS. 🇬🇧
Huh. Racism ? In Ireland, stop, just stop, Ireland is one of the most tolerant countries in Europe, and that's
saying a lot because Europe in general is very tolerant, always had been, in fact it's to tolerant for its own good,
The problem is you don't know what racism is,
Ireland is a very progressive country unfortunately, the nerve of and the ignorant others that would suggest racism is unbelievable and sad, SMH
@@patriciasmith9132
Smh
@@aliamjon2550 you have some strange delusions about Ireland and Europe. I'm born and raised here, we had a sectarian civil conflict for decades. Attacks on the homes of foreign nationals by far right loyalists is fairly commonplace in Belfast. In southern Ireland, far right nationalists blame the housing crisis on foreigners. Racists and fascists are a minority but they exist everywhere.
What a truly heartbreaking story.
At first, I was convinced that the poor boy was being victimised, hence the disappearance of his headphones, backpack and clothing.
But on hearing the “full story” or as much as the police allowed, I think your conclusion is correct. I believe he was having psychotic symptoms.
These stories are always hard to hear, as we all want to believe we have full control of our actions. Hearing about people whose perceptions and consequently, their behaviours became dramatically distorted is a truly frightening scenario for us all.
May Noah rest in peace. 🙏
i was a psychotic teenager at one point in my life… it’s boundless, the ideas you can have when you’re psychotic. especially when so young and impressionable… it’s just a pure tragedy. it could have been me… i can’t tell you how many times i’ve wandered the streets during the night just for the purpose of finding inner purpose and peace… rip
to want nature to redeem you is so natural, so innate….
i remember going outside when i was 15 or 16 and for a long time laying on the cold fall blacktop, convinced that i could hear someone talking to me, coaching me through my hard time. somehow i always just ended up back inside my house.
god bless my mother and her perseverance, patience, and never ending love. without her i would be weak and deplorable.
is it human nature to desire returning to the earth
This was a great analysis, Dr Grande! Love how you dissect, analyze and come to a really good conclusion to cases.
How is there a man with over 200 convictions walking free? Hasn’t he proven he is not capable of living in society? This is so awful. Poor Noah, what a beautiful child with so much potential. He was probably hiding from that pervert. I hope his mom can resume some type of life after this, but it’s not likely. 😢
Also, people can speculate as much as they want. They can want answers and pressure the police to rep-open the case. The police in this jurisdiction need to do their jobs. They work for the public, but unfortunately they sound low-IQ and inept.
200 convictions could be robbing an off license for a packet of cigarettes 200 times, because in the UK, each theft is a separate offense. The UK doesn't have the weird obsession the US has where they just incarcerate poor, homeless, or mentally ill people to hide them, but sadly they do t do much to help either
@@georgelane6350No, they just arrest people for 'mean tweets' 'mis-gendering' or special needs kids that tell a police officer that they look like their lesbian aunty😂 thats your UK for you😂
This is such a strange and sad case. Really interesting, sensitive analysis. Condolences to his family.
Yes, very strange
Oh? No pathetic, insensitive joke this time?
Wow, your analysis/theory is the first one I’ve felt satisfied with. Poor little guy…so sad.
How frustrating that both times big events happened (losing the backpack, then all his clothes), it wasn’t caught on camera.
If that's true, why do you watch his video? Smh.
@@thomaslance5428 Not sure if you misread the comment, but they were agreeing with his analysis/theory. 😉
Waiting for the video “School shooter had watched a Dr Todd Grande video”…
What a sad story, he had a bright future ahead of him. It breaks my heart.😢
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Dr. Grande.❤
If he was dumb enough to be a Peterson fanboy, he absolutely did not have a bright future ahead of him.
faken Nostradamus over here
Police have called for speculation about their incompetence to end.
Cannot tell what you are trying to say.
I’m from the town and we all know he was murdered then placed in the storm drain. Police are covering it up.
By whom? When? And why? What you all know amounts to nothing if you don't have evidence. This is why the police are reluctant to share with the public. It like people no longer require evidence to believe something.
they don't want you to go hang black folks in the bad part of town
What in the holy f does Peterson have to do with this? This was a mentally ill kid..
Exactly. Having the Peterson book proves he was mentally ill.
what any evidence has to do with any sort of investigation then
How do they send a guy to prison for ''stealing'' stuff he found on the street !!!????????
All I have to say, I have no idea about Jordan Petersons politics. He had a motivational video that helped me through multiple deaths in my family and dealing with the left over narcissist. I had no idea he was right wing or whatever. But I guess that is people… complex. So idk, I am lost. Still going to listen to that video when needed.
He is not “right wing “ 😑
@@la_sn3ak3r19 Yeah, he's always seems traditional liberal/somewhat left-of-center to me. Though in the past few years, has flirted frequently with conservative philosophy, having a number of conservative guests on.
Being a person of common sense makes one a "right winger" in the eyes of many folks these days.
I just wanted to say thanks for always taking suggestions for videos. I just saw someone suggest this and I'm amazed at how fast you created an informative video about this poor boy.
How tragic. 🥺 Taking off ones clothes seems like a pattern during a mental breakdown. I agree that there was no foul play. I think the police obtained the certificate to protect Noah's privacy. I'm sure they found things on his laptop that his mother would not want shared with the public.
WHAT ARE THE POLICE OBVIOUSLY HIDING. THAT IS THE MYSTERY !. I don't take your benign view of their motivation at all - context everything depends on context.
Taking care of a lot of mental health patients in the hospital, I can confirm there's a high correlation of nudity...
Thank you Dr Grande for your concision and clarity. The presence of suffering in every life is an inexorable truth. Poor young soul.
Thanks for the content Doc! Love your vids, love the community, love the humor 👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍
We appreciate how well Dr Grande articulates his insights. He's genuinely one of the best.
@@brianclingenpeel5123 There is no falsity. The boy was reading Peterson regularly, The boy was trying to communicate w Peterson and thought he had contacted him. The boy was anxious/depressed and possibly sought baptism, a theme of Peterson's, which led to his death, naked in a storm drain. Nobody claims Peterson is at fault.
@@brianclingenpeel5123hey, just letting you know: this "sophie" account is either a bot, or deranged. She comments on every Grande video and only repeats similar phrases. Noticed it years ago. Can't believe her account isn't banned yet
@@swedishhousemfia It's probably an alt for Dr Grande
Except for the slander on Peterson.
@@wintercame Nah, I know what Grande is doing here. He's clearly not a fan of Peterson. He's just mentioning it in passing without explaining anything. There are many on here blaming Peterson and saying he's a grifter and wrecks people's lives, etc. Grande did not help this by failing to explain the nuance of this - that we are not responsible for other's taking our words wrong, or taking them literally, etc. You may understand this, but not everyone does. So it was actually pretty sleazy to use Peterson as click bait, just mention that he was fixated on Peterson and that he'd searched for stuff on Peterson just before he died. Then he doesn't elaborate. Just leaves it out there.
Reeks of foul play. He was murdered.
Poor child, may the Lord have mercy on his soul. Rest in peace, Noah.
suspect number 1 is the mother who just couldn't deal with him anymore
Your final line is spot on about the police service here in NI. Aside from the historical mistrust for many, recently the Chief Constable resigned due to many controversies so it’s pretty dire currently. The PII application has led many to speculate that it was a murder linked to a paramilitary organisation. So much damage has been caused by the withholding of information on this case, particularly to his family and the publics trust. Thanks for covering this!
WHAT ARE THE POLICE OBVIOUSLY HIDING. THAT IS THE MYSTERY !. I don't take a benign view of their motivation at all - context everything depends on context.
One of my favorite things is getting a notification 🔔 of a new Dr. Grande video
Same 😊
Great video Dr and really liked your conclusion of Noah wanting to be baptised or somewhat cleansed, that's something I never thought. People here believe he was murdered but I love how the murderers had invisible suits on as they were never spotted on camera chasing him. It's breathtaking how advanced these killers are wearing stealth suits and then carried his body into a drain in broad daylight.
I think that it makes a lot of sense. Noah was trying to rid himself of some perceived ‘sin’ to do with his sexuality. He tried to baptize himself, it didn’t work. So he tried a more intense version, and it killed him. I think the reason the police don’t want to release all the info is because it will tie things to Jordan Peterson’s teachings, and potentially cause problems for them. If that’s the case, us a cowardly way out.
@@karenneill9109stretch theory
@@Unspun417 You have a better explanation?
first off, thought Dr. G's video was great, as always... and no, just that that explanation presumes a series of (I coulnt) 4 things that we don't know are true. "Could be what happened"... just all mysterious deaths could probably/possibly be linked back to struggling with mental health and a recent UA-cam video somebody watch from one influencer or another @@karenneill9109
Thanks Dr Grande for covering this case and what a tragedy. I live close to the area where he sadly died but did know all the details you explained. I think the police should be transparent with any information that could help his family and the public understand and come to terms with what happened.
Sad and tragic for Noah. I wonder what his teachers at school think and his close friends. And yes, Noah had a father. What were his opinions and thoughts on the matter. I cannot imagine leaving a continent for another and leaving a vulnerable child without his father nearby.
Brilliant analysis again Dr.Grande always enthralling.
This case sounds a bit like the woman in the elevator acting really odd that was found in the water tank and everyone found that one strange too with very little closure. 😢
She was well known to have suffered from schizophrenia.
She was the lady in the Cecil Hotel, wasn't she?
@@gaiaiulia YES that was the case 🎯
@@LeoWatcher7 thanks
The stormdrain maintenance worker who forgot to re-lock the gate will probably be consumed with agonizing guilt for the rest of his life.
instead of serving jailtime
So… we are to believe that a maintenance worker who forgot a lock 1 week earlier.
That the kid scouted this information somehow, and knew that a random storm drain would be unlocked.
And that after he was undressed… he went lifting heavy metal greats with potential locks on them…
Yes, it's a very puzzling aspect of this case. Also, how did he even know of the existence of the grate? It was on the opposite side of town from where he lived, in an out-of-the-way place behind houses.
almost certainly coincidental, probably went there since he knew there would be water, and then it happened to be unlocked.
Nice !!! It’s Dr. Grande time !!!!
Hey Dr Grande, would love you to cover Nat Sands case in Australia it's horrific and her father (perpetrator) killed one of her kids and her mum and then was gound not guilty due to mental health and is out. Australia has had on average 3 women a week dying from family violence. It's getting out of hand and our justice system is an absolute joke. RIP Noah. 💖
to protect women all around the world, what can we do? it feels so helpless…. support the individual women you know in your life, at least.
I’m from Australia and never heard of the Nat Sands case 😳
I like your content, but I don't like the tactic you use here to get clicks. If I was Jordan Peterson I wouldn't appreciate being associated in photo and description with a dead kid.
Yes I had the same thought and I was honestly surprised by this. His content is normally respectful and good but this is the first time is raised my eyebrows. I made a comment about this too.
As an adolescent I became relatively obsessed with the books of Carlos Castanada so I can relate to this tragedy.
That title is insane
How to make people speculate? Ask them not to speculate….
The connection to Peterson is incredibly attenuated. At most, Peterson was a small part of this, and the substance of Peterson’s input was, in itself, not irresponsible or questionable. A much more accurate and far less inflammatory title would have been “Teenager Dies When Reckless City Worker Fails in His Essential Responsibility”
or...."Postmodernist neo marxist lobsters behind every tree cause death of young man who fails to make his bed"
I always appreciate your videos Dr. Grande.
You approach each subject and case with such delicacy and care.
I wonder if the police resisted releasing information because they did not want the name of the city worker who forgot to lock the gate to be released, to avoid retribution
This has nothing to do with Peterson. What crazy speculation on this case. SMH
Small correction: You don't "win" a Duke of Edinburgh award, it's not a competition.
D of E is a series of three outdoor challenges - bronze, silver, gold - that adventurous UK youths can choose to train for and complete. It's challenging but fun and thought to look good on a CV / resume.
For anyone in scouting, earning Chief Scout Gold award is generally accepted to be equivalent to getting D of E Bronze
He was clearly not only intelligent but adventurous and liked to challenge himself. Such a tragic loss for all who knew him.
They need to divide comment sections into two parts. One should be for discussing content, the other for fans who just want to praise the host. I know you folks are well meaning and Dr Grande is certainly worthy of praise, but over time it gets old. Many people look to the comment section to read and discuss further insights. Granted many times they can be two of the same, but I'm not talking about that. If you really want to "connect" with a host, try asking a thought provoking question or making an intelligent insightful comment about the subject at hand. Donations also certainly make a big impact. Let me make one thing clear, I am picking on this site, it is obviously the sign of a thriving channel when so many people to take the time to write a kind note but I see this on many channels and, in the end, it brings little to the table as far a discussions are concerned. Hitting the like button is more important to the algorithm and it alleviates the pressure of the host (or assistant) to give out hearts to the kinder comment. I suppose they will come up with a bot for this eventually, but until that time. My 2 cents, but there is no doubt in my mind, Dr Grande most likely wouldn't disagree with most if not all of what I stated here.
Oh, the poor kid. His poor mum. How awful must she feel having not recognised any issues. I hope there is some way she can find peace at some point. I think I'd go mad for a while if something like that happened to one of mine. Thanks, Dr G. Great sum up.
Dr Grande
I am the mother of Noah Donohoe.
I have sent you communications via both fb and Instagram in regards this video I would respectfully suggest you reply to one or other of them at your earliest convenience!
Can't believe the amount of hatred and lies expressed to Noahs family just for looking to find out how Noah was found maked down a storm drain behind hosues which couldnt be seen from the street
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande. Your true fans love your humor and sarcasm.
November 8 is National Cappuccino Day, National Harvey Wallbanger Day, National Gin Day, X-Ray Day, National Ample Time Day, Paperworks and Photoworks Day, National Dunce Day, and Parents As Teachers Day.
There needs to be a "Day Free of Holidays" day ;)
@@susanivy3619 Unfortunately, this is not an option.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating "are there any more cacti behind Dr Grande?"
Poor boy. One of the only cases where I feel a connection. He reminds me of my brother. Noah seemed like an extremely intelligent and precocious young boy. He looked so happy and full of life too.
I do agree with the police. Most logical explanation is the poor guy hit his head. Seems it caused him to somehow feel hot. I just can’t see a sane person taking off clothes because they want to be baptized. He was on the hunt to baptize himself but due to the head injury went into the storm drain. Hard to make sense, every missing then found case I’ve heard is totally bizarre.
The one thing to take from his story is how important it is to wear helmet. Whether on a bicycle or motorcycle. RIP Noah 😢❤
This is such a sad story. This young boy was lost confused and suffering from mental health symptoms in his efforts to make sense of it all. And help himself, He met his untimely demise. Maybe if his mother or his friends or others knew how much he was struggling, they could have gotten him help.
criminals are relying on naive folks as you are
Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande! ❤