Dyno Numbers on Milwaukee M12 Batteries: Which is Best?
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2021
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The Milwaukee M12 2555-20 and 2565-20 compact and right angle impacts hit the dyno with an array of M12 FUEL batteries to see which ones are worth the coin for the torque they are able to generate with these tools.
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I’m super bummed you guys didn’t test the 3.0 three cell pack and the 3.0 six cell pack. That would have been the most interesting to see. If you even see this comment I have both of those batteries and I’d be happy to send them to you guys
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I purchased the M12 impact wrench with a 6.0 battery a few months ago and have been very impressed with it. I wanted something smaller and lighter than my high torque. I figured the M12 would be good enough for 50% of what i needed a impact wrench for. To my surprise it’s been plenty powerful enough for >90% of my needs. I use the high torque so infrequently that I don’t keep a battery attached to it.
I'm in the same boat. I seldom use the big boy.
@@jake-mv5oi yep and to be completely transparent, that 10% of the time I use it, it’s usually because I only have a 1/2” version of the socket I need (the m12 I got is 3/8)
@@jabroni6199 Can you just use a 3/8”-1/2” adaptor or does that make it too big? I have a full set of Tekton deep-well impact sockets in Metric and Imperial along with their accessories and I can put any type of socket on any type of impact wrench I want. But I’m not an Auto Mechanic so tight spaces are rarely a problem.
@@samuel5916 yep you can. I recently purchased one. Makes it a bit longer but still well short of a high torque.
@@jabroni6199 Oh cool!
After getting my m12 fuel ratchet I couldn't imagine life without it. Same to the compact m12 impact
They also offer a cp3.0 pack in the same form factor as the 2.0. Works really well with both of these tools for size/power
Would love to see this test again if you get your hands on the new 2.5 and 5Ah HO batteries.
Once again you guys answer everything I wanted to know. Thanks again for the info!
This was a great video for me. Was really debating whether or not to get the 6.0 but this cleared up things for me.
Thanks a lot !
I love the comparison graph you use. Thanks for the video!
Excellent video! I have really come to respect what my M12 tools can do, and I have the M12 and M18 Surge, not even the full-power impact drivers or stubby impact wrench (although that may have to be my next purchase).
My m12 compact impact wrench is my go to tool for everything except high torque applications. That’s what my XTR is for. Very compact, very light, insane run time with the 4.0. I don’t have that right angle m12 however I have the Kobalt right angle impact, and m12 fuel ratchet for those jobs.
Lots of good info in this video! Thanks for sharing!
I got the m12 drill with a 2.0 and 4.0 battery as a kit for $120 and at the time Northern Tool had a deal where they threw in a 6.0 as well. I think I made out pretty good on that one.
Our local sources were all out of the 3.0's when we tested these, and we only had these 2 impacts for a day. Sorry to the 3.0 lovers!
I think it is strange that the 3 comes in 2 different forms.
I was really hoping to see the difference between the CP 3.0 and the XC 3.0, as the CP 3.0 is the only one that I can't find info on what cells are in it. The CP 1.5 and XC 3.0 both use Samsung INR18650 15M cells, rated at 23A per cell (giving 46A on the XC). The CP 2.0 uses 20R cells, rated at 22A, the XC 4.0 *SUPPOSEDLY* uses cells rated at 20A, for a total of 40A, and the XC 6.0 uses 30Q cells, rated at 15A, for total of 60A. I've seen only one guess about the cells in the CP 3.0, being also 30Q, but I really wanted to see how they perfomed.
@@JohnDoe-fk6id, I think you meant to say the 6.0 would have a total of 30A (15A x 2), correct?
Keep in mind that, even though the CP1.5 has high current capability, the cells will deplete much faster in use than the higher capacity cells, so at some point you should expect to see the higher capacity cells putting out more current as the battery wears down. TTC uses batteries fresh off the charger so we're only seeing what they can do best case scenario. In their defense I'm not sure how you would accurately test these batteries at a partial charge and keep things consistent.
@@superspeeder you are correct. I meant 30A total on the 6.0 I was/am tired, as of this posting. You are also correct about the partial charge, but that's not really a major concern, to me. The reason I wanted to see the cp3.0 vs xc3.0 was to show the extreme difference between 6x high current, low capacity cells and 3x high capacity, low current cells.
I bet the cp3.0 would be below the cp1.5, in power, while the xc3.0 should, in theory, be above everything.
@@JohnDoe-fk6id agreed, would be interesting to see the 3.0CP.
Good video! Now I can't wait for the right angle impact test coming up. I sure like my Kobalt 24v right angle impact, use it a bunch.
Awesome! Been waiting to see the true output of the right angle before picking one up. Next paycheck here it comes :)
Great video, this video helped me make my decision for which battery to get for m12 tools.
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Love my M12 compact wrench impact! Things a beast!!!
Thanks, I have found the 2565-20 wanting for power and use my pneumatic hammerhead when needed.
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You ain't wrong on the right angle impact. The battery it comes with makes me dislike the tool. It won't break Subaru bellhousing bolts loose, the exact bolts I bought it for. Gonna go get the 6.0 and see if it wakes mine up. Thanks for all of your no nonsense videos!! 💯
Damn I was really hoping to see a compact 3.0 in this test. Would be really cool if you could do a cp3.0 vs xc3.0 to see if batteries in parallel preform worse than batteries in series. Or just a test of all of the compact batteries versus each other (1.5, 2.0, 3.0). Either way very cool video thank you for sharing
Batteries in parallel perform worse ( less power output) than batteries in serial. However, parallel ones last longer than the ones in serial. The serial ones produce more power but last shorter.
I love these M12 tools. I use the impact, ratchet, and die grinder more than any other power tool in my shop.
I wish they would have your battery going out the other way behind the tool. I didn't like the handle at first but after using it a few months I now love it
Perfect timing for the Kobalt vs Milwaukee comparison. I have both battery platforms so curious to see what you find. I’m leaning towards the Milwaukee purely by form factor but will wait for your review.
I’ve been quite happy with Bosch for my subcompact needs. They don’t have much but they have the basics.
I’ve had an m12 stubby 3/8’s at work for about 2 years now and it’s been a great tool. Very strong for its size and I like the fatter handle on it. It’s stronger than my co workers 20 volt Mac 3/8 impact lol. It’s great for engine work and can even pull off the wheels on my 3/4 ton dodge.
Good job, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for that test. I found a deal for a 4 pack of the 4 ah for $180. I was hoping to find some 6ah, but now I’m seeing that’s not necessary, especially if I’ll have 3 back ups.
I'm my personal experience, the 4.0 will carry these m12 tools harder and longer than any amount of 2.0. Glad to see the torque dyno tell the same story!
I have the 3/8th version of the compact and it's perfect for working on my Suzuki Jimny and so far with the 4.0 it's not undone anything I have put it on.
I have the M12 Fuel Drill/Driver kit and my experience mirrors yours. I purchased mine at Home depot and it came with a 2.0 and a 4.0Ah battery plus a free 2 pak of 1.5Ah batteries. I purchased a radio that I use the small batteries in and I bought a second 4.0 battery for my drill. I love my M12 set and have seen no reason to move to the M18 for what work I do.
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Video on those torque-limiting attachments? Are they accurate? Always well done videos.
We've bought multiple brands and are in the process of doing around a baker's dozen worth of different tests which will take awhile to compile the data and edit up :)
I’m interested in this one as well.
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There's a few tools ahead of these in the science lab before we finish up, and with the number of tests we're doing (mostly on lunch breaks) it may take a bit but we're chipping away at it!
I’d like you to test out the M12 stubby again (you call it the M12 Compact Impact), except this time, with the M12 CP 3.0 battery, and M12 XC 3.0 battery. I’ve always been curious if the CP 3.0 would make a good compromise for its size, but with just enough juice that would be very close to a XC 4.0 battery.
This would be nice to see!!!
Yeah I bet you the 3.0 xc is more powerful than the 3.0cp because of more cells. Yet impressive they have a 3.0 compact.
Good info in here as some have said online that the 6.0 isn't as powerful as the 4.0; clearly not the case.
That said, I would have loved to see the CP 3.0 and XC 3.0 in the mix too; maybe in an update sometime?
Either way, I only run two batteries with my M12 tools; CP 3.0s for most things, and XC 6.0s for higher demand tools.
Torque Channel Guys, I really enjoy watching your channel. You all add reality to tool buying and actual use. I also like the M12 grip. I guess the guys with the small little hands prefer the thinner grips. I feel you can get a better purchase on the tool.
I'm still impressed with my m12 3/8 equip with 6.0 battery sometimes I'm gonna use in lug nut wheels a small tools but badass performance
Good job dude!
Really like my M12, with 2ah, and 4.0 batteries, it gets everything done I throw at it, would definitely suite any diy'er 98% of jobs they would come across.
As a fulltime wrench thrower the 1.5 and 2.0 are relegated to the smaller tasks of the family, mostly for drills/ratchets. I have a 4.0 or 6.0 in all of my impacts, After well over a year and multiple rebuilds of both tools and batteries I cannot tell a difference in the 4.0 and 6.0
100% right on that one. Use the 4.0 on my stubby and circular saw, and the 2.0/1.5 on my 3/8" ratchet and multitool where the power isn't needed. Doesn't seem like the extra cost of the 6.0 is worth the slightly extra beans it delivers. Would be curious if the 6.0 would be better for my circular saw though...
@@upon1772 I all tools I have tested there is almost no difference in the 4 and 6
@@MrAPCProductions Glad to hear I don't need to waste my money trying to find out then!
I like the ratchet and stubby impact but for full size I run a makita
I love my M12 3/8 stubby, I also have the new m18 mid torque but don't use as often. I will get a 3/8 cordless ratchet next but don't know which one yet, currently leaning towards the high speed or high torque.
They all have a place in my arsenal.
Application and location for use are key.
These test mirror my anecdotal experience. The 2.0 won’t spin off the lugnuts on my wife’s SUV, but the 4.0 sure does. Great little compact impact for suspension work.
Same thing with my experience
Does she have a big trunk?
So you’re saying battery makes a difference?
@@thewiseguy7100yes batteries make a difference in power.
My 2.0 does take the lugs nuts off my car m12 impact gen 3 with a 2.0 battery cp
Hi, have you done a test on different sockets and adapters on impact wrench’s today see which give the best torque transfer and how much torque you lose with extensions, wobble sockets, hex. Bi hex, regular vs impact sockets, knuckle joints. ….your tests are awesome thanks for doing a great job…
Once again your work has saved me money.
I got stubby and ratchet as a deal almost 2 years ago. Came with 2.0 4.0 and 6.0 was a free gift. I sold the 6.0 on marketplace for like $60. Sold in a day. Didn’t think I’d Need. I’m happy to see it’s now that much different than the 4.0 lol. Was getting nervous for a second
I use 4ah batteries for my impacts and a 6ah for my M12 air compressor and it seems to be a great match.
Thanks for the analysis and vedeo.
Awesome as alwways! Any chance we could get a short video of the cp 3.0 and xc 3.0?
Would be curious to see if one of those aftermarket 9.0 batteries bump it up more or not.
The right angle impact is a helpful tool.
I use it a lot, like a lot alot. It's kind of an interesting compromise compared to the compact impact, but since I opted for the 1/4" bit driver impact instead of the socket-drive, this fills the space quite effectively.
Hope you guys plan to test the makita, Dewalt and Bosch 12v equivalents. I have the right angle lxt 18v makita right angle and while its only rated at 35 ft lbs I use it alot for spinning nuts and bolts off that I break loose with a regular ratchet, when working with fasteners put into plastic I can typically spin them right out with it. Unlike the rest of my tools a 6 aH doesn't seem to add any power over a 2aH
Would be great if you could test the waitley copy batteries they seem the best quality, even the 9ah m12 vs Milwaukee 6ah, just be interesting! Thanks for the great content! Chris.
I used the stubby impact with a 4.0 at work and 6.0 onsite jobs ( no charger). Always seemed like the 4.0ah had a bit more jam than the 6.0ah. The 4.0 was older and had more cycles. Maybe the 4.0 has a bit higher peak current?🧐
Hi, I’m very surprised that right angle Milwaukee didn’t pull like some videos claim it can, I was seriously thinking about getting it, not sure now! Excellent quality video ty so much, Bob,
Watch Friday. It's pretty dramatic!
@@TorqueTestChannel I’ll watch for your notifications I’m very interested I’m a huge Milwaukee fan, ty so much,
Besides my paycheck you have me looking forward to this Friday
Bro I had bought a 6.0 and compact 3.0 for 99$ just got to buy when they have good deals like that 👍
Man i wish I found this channel months ago. Just got a new M18 compact impact and really wish I got the m12 as the m18 is just not really compact enough.
One thing I've noticed about Milwaukee Fuel impact wrench: the torque it delivers depends on, to some extent, the way it's being held. Pressed snugly at precicely perfect angle at the nut, it performs way better than when just looslely held and maybe a little tilted. Or so I think. Maybe test this with some gear, if not tested yet?
That’s why those Milwaukee magnetic impact nut drivers work so incredibly well for driving lags with an impact driver
Ac Delco makes a right angle rachet. We use it and its awesome
My stubby 3/8 impact w/ the XC6.0 battery has only hit it's limit a couple times, but I've only had it for a week or two, but it keeps up fine, only thing it can't do reliably is like rusty 24mm suspension stuff that you have to use a swivel on. Highly recommend it. EDIT: Oh, and axle nuts, it's 50/50 chance on those, lol.
Can you test banging on a normal wrench with a hammer, or using a floor jack on a breaker bar
If you have a 2ft breaker bar and a 2 ton jack you could theoretically get close to 4,000 foot pounds which would lead to lots of broken parts. Just spend some money on a proper impact you get less broken stuff as the IPS has a big role in freeing stuck bolts. Just can't replicate that by hand
@@mesanders1113 two hammers? Would still be fun to see tested though.
It would
Can we see a heads-up lineup of battery torque tests like this on the m18 fuel 3/8" and 1/2" impacts?
Love my m12 with a 6.0. Rarely have to touch my 2767 high torque, and it’s so small. The snap on 14.4vs have nothing on it.
I wish you would of had access to the 3.0 battery. It’s the same form factor as the 2.0. I came with a Milwaukee heated coat I bought last winter. Anyways it gives a huge torque boost to my brushed M12 3/8 ratchet. I was shocked how much speed the 3.0 added over the 2.0.
You forgot the compact 3.0. great video though as always
Any possibility of getting a 3.0 m12 compact battery and testing it to see the difference as well?
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Awesome test man and yet another first to do something nobody else has done before. I read the reason why you couldn't get ANY 3.0ah of either forms and was hoping to see how they would stack in there as well. Please if I could lend a hand I'd love to send you mine if you can't get a lock on any and I have a few to spare. Keep up the amazing work man, absolutely love the channel and I know everyone else does as well!!
I think in an earlier comment they stated they only had the tools for 1-day for testing, so looks like they will need tools in addition to batteries to be able to test both 3.0's
@@BM-ut5nx I've got them all man and more than willing to let TTC borrow them for as long as they need, no rush, just trying to give back any way I can 👊💯
@@abijahgribble that would be awesome. I love milwaukee, never owned one but every mechanic in aviation or automotive that has been in the industry long enough swear by them, I just need to get enough together to purchase some milwaukee tools myself
That I've known*
@@BM-ut5nx I catch them on deals all the time man as much deals as they run with them you can get free tools or batteries on promos ALL the time. I'm also a mechanic and I buy every Milwaukee tool that I feel that I can use in my arsenal, and I will say this, they have been amazing additions and I don't regret the investment 👌
I would love to see an updated video to include the new 2.5ah HO and 5ah HO batteries
Still hoping for an appendice to the makita battery chart to include their 6 amp battery
I notice my straight grinder cuts out when I use my 6ah battery. Lower ah batteries don't bother it. I also notice my 90° grinder also cuts out using the 6ah, but only if I lug it with high pressure and the motor gets hot. I think these tools use the same motor, and it doesn't like to get hot, but gets hot easily.
Would like to see you test the husky cordless power ratchet
Man I would really enjoy seeing the Ingersoll rand 20v right angle and 1/2 impact tested against the Milwaukee
I’ve swapped the cells on some of my m12 and m18 batteries from 20a cells to 30a cells. Could I send them to you guys for testing? Really curious how my custom 2ah will hold up to a stock 4ah.
I love my little M12 and I really don't like red but she just works.
FINALLY SOMEONE DID THIS TEST
Curious how Makita's new Low Torque 18V Impact compares with the old one. New one is XWT15Z, don't know the old one as I'm in Canada and the model numbers are different. In Canada it's DTW285XVZ
I’m a forklift mechanic and my van compressor is horrible so now I’m looking at electric tools but I don’t do too much heavy duty except taking drive tires off which is a beast. I can’t decide on what to do
Makita Mid torque and Makita compact or M18 mid and compact will do 90%. The other 10% either 1/2" M18 high torque or 3/4" Makita XGT for stuff that needs to just die in a hellfire.
Can you do an update on this? Quite a few batteries have come out since....also would like to see the 3/8 anvil to see dem BEANS!
@torquetestchannel can you do the new high output batteries?
Im curious to see how the new 2.5 & 5.0 High Output batteries do with these tools.
Not being a mechanic the impact isn't my #1 tool..but I do own a few to take things apart before I weld them back together. My alleged beef with the m12's is the life span of the batteries.(I still own a grip of them)Maybe you could design a test to cycle the batteries like 200x then see how they perform?
I keep an impact in my trunk to help people with flat tires. Now that it's cold, how much does battery temperature affect torque output?
I was hoping the M12 CP 3.0 battery would have been tested. I have to assume it would be better than the CP 2.0, while maintaining the smaller physical size that is sometimes important when needing to use the tool in cramped locations.
that's if it's the CP 3.0 would it be any different or advantage using the XP 3.0 as they often go on sale relatively cheap and loose that smaller form factor
@@joebrown9621 Milwaukee does not make an "XP" battery.
What do you think of the CP 3.0 for the m12 compact do you recomend the xc battery line or the CP for a smaller foot print
M12 is my personal favorite platform, because the power/size/cost ratio is great. I don’t need 18, 24, 36, 40 volts or beyond. I’m a home gamer not a pro, so 12 volts does almost everything I need. Great video, btw.
M12 is still a pro line though, so you're getting the quality that should make them last essentially forever (in a DIYer's case). Most people's M12 tools should work for as long as they can find and charge batteries for them.
Full time pro here: I only have the M12 stuff. If you really really have to break something, I have torches, saws, and a myriad of other destruction devices that easily fit the bill. For almost everything on most passenger vehicles the M12 line is great.
The M12 is really impressive. I think M18 is overkill for DIY. I use my M12 stubby 1/2" impact wrench to do seasonal tire changes and it doesn't even struggle to loosen nuts on my cars when I compare it to my previous 20v store brand impact wrench.
@@MrAPCProductions had I known at the time that M12 would have been more than enough for the odd task around the house (noob DIYer here) I wouldn't have even looked at the M18 hammer drill/impact driver/circ saw combo I got... Ok it was a great deal for the price, but I really do appreciate the compact form factor of the M12 battery packs.
I have several compact 3.0's I like to generally use, one of biggest reason I got into the M12 was the smaller battery packs. But I generally use the 4.0 & 6.0's on things like my vacuum and tire inflator as well as rocket light.
Can you test the difference in power output between knock-off vs Milwaukee m12 batteries?
Do you ever let the tools cool down before the next test? because I think that plays a big part in the power they make.
When the new high output m12s come out, can you redo this test (or just add the chart) and also do the 3.0cp and 3.0xp? Us viewers would really appreciate it!! ❤️
Are the m12 batteries interchangeable with the m18 batteries or vice a versa?
Really wanting numbers on if the CP 3.0 is worth it.
Ingersoll rand also makes a 20v right angle
I have the bigger style 3.0 battery that’s like the style of the 4.0 and 6.0 footprint Would it be similar to the 4.0?