Milwaukee's New M12 XC5.0 High Output vs Stuffing Actual 21700 Cells Inside
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Let's test Milwaukee's all new M12 High Output XC5.0 battery 48-11-2450, is it any better than Milwaukee higher capacity batteries like XC6.0? We think so, but maybe not for the reason they advertise most.
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Torque, who started TTC, is working in product development for Astro Tools. TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
Correction, the M12 BMS is on the tool (we didn't wire these things). With all the ideas about juicing up custom battery packs, I would suggest sticking with M18's (or your platform's equivalent) to do so. You could of course build a lithium polymer stack capable of 500 amps, but if the M12 tool's only requesting 15, it's only going to get 15. A clean straight never dropping off delivery of 15, but never any extra. 18 volt tools on the other hand range quite a bit in peak current requests.
Based on this testing it would appear the 2.5 HO would be more useful than assumed, closer to a 6 cell pack. We just had our eyes on maxing things out!
You need to test with high amp tool like the 90° die grinder even with a 6.0 the thing alway cut out and drain battery like no other
Or try the circular saw and chainsaw it's where the new battery will shine
do you think it could be a tolerance and or wear problem from factory to factory
@@legros731 The 90" die grinder isn't particularly high current draw per second in my experience, just weak.
The comment about the imitation battery having a dodgy BMS is incorrect, the M12 BMS is located in the tool. The battery packs themselves contain no active circuitry, and any extra performance eeked out of a tool is due to lower internal cell resistance.
Hey what is the website you used to buy the individual Samsung lithium batteries?
haven't had an m12 battery fall out yet. Getting them out sometimes is a challenge though.
Yeah that only seems to happen when the shell breaks
When I first got my M12 ratchet I had troubles with the battery falling out I even had tape across it to make sure it would not do that again and then I switched to an aftermarket battery I've never had one fall out since
Battery’s and good need to break in with around a week or 2 of constant use it will be a lot smoother
To me that sounds like you're keeping the batteries cool. ABS is pretty soft when barely warm (below boiling point).
Try leaving a pack sit in the sun for a few hours, then test that latch.
Same, Ive had issues getting them out when they are brand new but I've never had one fall out and my m12 rattle gun is probably my most used tool.
Very cool. I almost exclusively run "Built" battery packs on my M12 tools now. 9 cell 18650 with 6.0ah and 7.5ah ratings(2000mah/2500mah cells) . There is a notable difference in power as there is virtually no voltage drop having so many cells share the load.
What cells are you using and how u fit 9 cells? You have links? Thanks.
I did the same. There are some bad ass 18650s out there. The beefiest being the Samsung 20S, as used in dewalt flexvolt.
You hve me interested now
Do you guys have links? Curoius to find out about the battery “building”
@@vincentrodrigues7533 You just buy an empty battery shell off ebay or aliexpress, and solder or spot weld bars to the cells, and assemble into the shell.
I knew this video was coming and I’ve been so excited to see it. However, I thought there would be a “High output” video including the HO 2.5 as well. That’s what the big story is in my opinion. XC performance in a CP pack, whats not to love? I bought the HO 2.5’s as soon as they hit my Home Depot and they most definitely pack a punch like the bigger batteries do. I really hope you’ll be doing a video comparing the HO2.5 to the XC6.0 soon
This was my thought, one thing i noticed from going from 18650 6.0 batteries to smaller 2170 4.0 batteries is that i get more peak power out of the smaller 2170 pack but the larger 6.0 pack will last longer for light jobs (less for heavy jobs, as it works harder/longer to do the same work)
Same i bought a 2.5 to keep things nice and slim, lightweight on my fuel screwdriver amd cut off tool!
You fellas have come so far with editing and just overall awesomeness. Love the channel. Keep up the great work.
Funny information, the Milwaukee M12 can be used to power a Traxxas Bandit VXL up to like 50 mph in my experience, but I am under geared for off-road use. I use the little 3 cell unit, as it fits in the car. My speed controller gets really hot, and so does the battery, however, I have no cooling. Good for about 20 minutes of use before a recharge, for $20 it sure beats the $200 Traxxas batteries.
That’s pretty damn impressive, thanks for the info.
Huh. I got a Rustler VXL, might have to look into this :)
@@johncoops6897 only sometimes they run much nicer in the snow. $20 is a lot better than the $200 for the traxxas batteries, plus the $100 dollar charger.
I think the tools this is going to have the greatest affect on are likely the chainsaw, bandsaw, sawzall, and the cutoff tool.
All of these tools in my experience do well when used properly but always suffer a little bit when I try to push them. I’d think something like this would allow me to push them just a little harder making me just that much happier with them.
Good point, any tool that can "bog" down will benefit more from a HO
they should make the base a bit wider and put 2170 cells in there just like that
I bought a pair of the m12 5ah and 2.5ah for a gen2 drill impact set. The drill has allways been a puss but with the 5ah battery it comes to life. Enough so that my eyes were as big as saucers when testing against the old 6ah batts.
I’ve had two 6.0 m12 battery’s die within a year. And ALL of the 4.0’s have lived and charge with zero issues. I’ve thought about customizing my own battery with 21700. Edit: the price of the HO m12 is extremely over priced in my opinion.
Only had 1 issue with a 4.0 battery but I'm pretty sure the sawzall shook it out from my abuse so pilot error perhaps. Otherwise a freaking excellent tool line. My m18s stay in the box now days
Same here. M12 is amazing and all most people need most of the time. I still have m18 but try my best to stick to m12 if it makes sense. Im more into compact tools so i only go for m18 if i really need battery life badly without wanting to swap batteries or if for some rare reason i want or need more power(like a leaf blower or multitool kinda or a cement sds drill with chipping mode or obvious a grinder.) I treat my m18 as if its mx line. I dont like bigger tools most often cuz it sucks climbing on stair, roofs and attics and storing in a work vehicle
Got the 5ah and 2.5 ah bundle and while removing a injector off my buddies vw van the smallest bit of old fuel fell on the back of the battery and completely cleaned off the Milwaukee logo and the high output logo :( you have been warned lol. Still works a treat tho
I'd like to see one of these tested on the non high speed fuel ratchet. It seems to have taken advantage of larger cells in the past I'm curious to see it now.
I really wanna see what happens when you put a custom HO battery in a hyper tough low profile impact. Seeing as when you did the test with the smaller battery it didn’t want to work barely. Or maybe Hypertoughs little 2.0 battery just needs better quality cells then whatever ones they put in their to make them so cheap?
Is there a shortage on Amazon or something for this impact. Caption says it’s $149 and when I click the link it says $200. Im just wondering so I can wait off on buying it
Just use 60V / 20V dewalt batterys there all I use honestly the best but also using a adaptor for em for my Bosch work great
Would it be possible to have three 18650’s and 3 21700 cells together in a pack to really crank up the amps? Maybe add a few diodes to keep the current on track?
2:20 i've never had an m12 battery fall out, and I daily my m12's. I didn't even know that was an issue
The worst culprit for batteries falling out is the m12 fuel hack zall, constantly breaking tabs even after just replacing the case, nice tools but makes me want to switch over to dewalt
"Up and coming cell size" must mean something different these days, because 21700s have been around for a while.
It's in the context of M18 high output. When Milwaukee started making M18 high output it was an up and coming cell to use
@@TorqueTestChannel Neat. And after looking at the graphs closer, I think I see why the 25s model is the way that it is. 25s can put out up to 35 amps with an 80c cutoff, so the chip must be programmed to alternate between 25 and 35 amps or something to keep the cells from overheating. Would make sense that 21700s would be better, since they can sustain 35 amps much more reliably if the board was actually designed around them.
I'd like to see this done with other 12v tools. DeWalt Xtreme in particular
Great video! Thanks!
What kind of software do you use to show graphical results like you did? It looks neat and interesting.
Yes!
What about the new 2.5 ah battery?
I thought I messed up my batteries cause they always fall out, H/O 3.0 and standard size 1.5. my "Tap Rack" is on point tho lol
New ttc video on a Tuesday?!?
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Why didn’t he use 30T instead of 40T which you found 30T has up to 50A discharge.
Milwaukee had switched XC 6.0 to Sony VTC 6 later 2021
the older Samsung 30Q are nightmare failure huge time, i seen many will not hold charge
especially those same 30Q in M18 9Ah they switched to LG and later stop making them.
Just wanted to see if it was possible and the 40ts are what I got the best deal on
@@garretttrampler7041 i see a bunch of bad 40T in the 8Ah and 12Ah that won’t hold charge
30T i have not run across one bad one yet
and they are the CP3.0 and XC 6.0
same as they are in DW XR 3.0 and 6.0
Rock solid so far for 30T, and give you more punch
Would definitely be cool to stuff some 30ts in!
@@garretttrampler7041 yes i am still waiting to see some of damage batteries so i can pull them out
i pulled a bunch of 40T still very good
customers dropped their 8Ah to the point the pins and bms attached to case was damaged
i tested all the batteries out with XTAR VP4 plus and they are still very good
Awesome!!!!!! I’m shocked on performance though then again I agree with you perhaps gains would be on a more direct driven tool
Gas fiber reinforced? Did I hear that correctly?
I was just gonna test the 6.0 and the 5.0 this week. Found a 2.5 and 5.0 pack at home depot Saturday, it wasn't even in the system yet for price. I got it for the single 2.5 price 79$ 🤭
It also doesn't have the wh the 6.0 has, so I'm curious on run time. U should've run the 2.0 vs the 2.5, I bet that's where the 20% is!? 2.0 is 24wh 2.5ho is 30wh 6.0 is 72wh 5.0ho is 60wh I doubt the new batteries last longer? Maybe the 2.5 but I bet a cp3.0 is better
Is there a charging advantage with a rapid charger on the 5.0 ho? The 6.0s still take forever.
I was so excited for this release by milwaukee as I run multiple m12 tools but I gues ill just stick with the 6.0 and 3.0
If I was in the USA, I'd send you my CP2.0 (3x Samsung 20S, 35A) and my XC 8.0 (9x Molicel P26, 90+ Amps) to test. You can buy empty 3, 6 and 9 cell cases, add in some healthy copper busbars inside and you have power tools with a new lease on life 😉
You are dead right about the direct driven tools. Thats what I use at work so I see the shortfalls of the stock Milwaukee batteries.This battery will work best on direct driven tools. But it will also yield more capacity under load than the traditional batteries. By the way, there is NO BMS on the M12 battery. It's just balance connectors and a thermistor. The main tabs are directly connected to the cells.
Would be good to see a video on the knock off batteries for these things that claim to be crazy AH and do they have the same output as a standard battery
You could use the different batteries like torque limiters, maybe.
The Milwaukee batteries don't really have much of a bms that limits current or anything it mostly just monitors temp and voltage to tell the tool and it will quit working
I'm actually shocked, they went to straight PC with some glass, while it might be good against oil and grease, it certainly is not against some cleaners, I've see PC spider crack against cleaner agents. So, be careful what you clean your batteries with or if you set them down on a cleaning agent. Actually the PC wind shields on some ATVs/motorcylces they instruct you not to use a cleaner on them. Overall not really impressed with this battery over the 6.0. My question is how does it operate if you repeated this test with the 3/8" right angle as that acts very different with different batteries in the handle it seems.
wish i knew they’d fix the battery clip issue. got rid of my stubby impact bc no matter how many new batteries i buy, those clips end up breaking and gets really annoying when batteries rattle loose
Tesler has that Milwaukee fuel you just can't put out.
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M12 adapter to run m18 batteries on your m12 tools.
The shaky curve for the 21700s might be because, while great at short peaks, the 40T cells aren't known for sustained power. The 30T perform much better here, but sacrifice 1 Ah in capacity.
I wish you tested the HO CP 2.5 vs a standard XC battery. I would be interested to see if a CP 2.5 would make the same max torque as an XC battery. We already know the XC batteries give a bit more max torque than the current CP batteries but I wonder if the smaller CP 2.5 can give us the 250 ftlbs in a smaller form factor.
Since when did M12 batteries fall out randomly? All of us in our diesel shop use them literally every day and never seen or even thought of this happening. Heck, I have trouble removing them sometimes.
Thanks for letting me know that my M12 tools don't need the new XC5. I also appreciate knowing the battery case is the real upgrade here and not necessarily the implied 'more beans'. Much respect sir.
I was thinking the same thing. I purchased the 2.5 High Output and noticed absolutely no difference. I'll save my money & stick with the XC Batteries. I have tons of milwaukee tools but they seem to be going in a different with their recent issue with their high torque half inch impact wrench (Rigid is also suing Milwaukee)
Most of the high torque impact wrenches that came out recently are all stronger than Milwaukee's 2760-20 gun. However, the 2760-20 is extremely reliable & durable until recently.
@@lowellgelin2063 ridged is suing its sister company
@@lowellgelin2063 seems a bit far fetched that Milwaukee would be getting sued by its own company
How does the new M12 2.5 HO compare to the m12 CP 3.0? I personally like running the smaller batteries for my impact drill.
It'd be neat if they made a battery with 3x 18650 in the grip and 3x 21700 in the box below!
i looked it up, and there's no reasons i could find not to other than maybe balancing. if cells are discharging at different rates like a 21700 with 5000mah would compared to a 18650 with 3000mah, their voltage drop would happen at different times and stress each other out. im not an engineer though so maybe im wrong and it should work perfectly
The only M12 battery that falls out for me is on my m12 rachet. It's very annoying lol the issue is, everytime it falls out, it seems to want to fall out easier lol digging its own grave
I think the problem you're running into here is that there's going to be a limit to The current that the motor will draw no matter how much available current there is. The ESC can also be limiting factor. The tools you're testing are probably built specifically to make maximum power with the largest battery that they had at the time and they just simply can't take advantage of the additional output.
25% theoretical additional output only works if the tool can actually take advantage of it
I'd bet the contacts are the next limit , if not the main limit. Lots of tests on RC cars/boats indicate their little prongs are too small for 40A+.
He's tested dozens of different tools with dozens of batteries. The increase from HIgh Output batteries can be viewed across the board.
This is the first time high output batteries are producing less power.
A prime example would be the impact drivers, drills and impact wrenches all performing better with the High Output CP3.0Ah battery, over the XC 5.0Ah battery.
The difference being the 21700 cells. In this case, they didn't increase the cell size and that's why we have these results. You have a battery marked "HO" failing to produce power and a generic monstrosity that was built in a basement that is producing more power. Why? Because of the bigger batteries.
It's like he said, but it remains to be seen if it's true or not yet. It's possible that the battery can send more power to tools like the circular saw, maybe the rotary hammer?
But typically, with every single tool ever tested on this channel, there is an increase with HO batteries, not a decrease. That's including impact wrenches and drivers.
So why now would we see a decrease or a non increase all of the sudden, with the same exact drills. Impacts.
It doesn't follow suit with what we've seen and experienced with batteries and tools so far.
The flop here, is that the batteries used, with their lower capacity only have the ability to match the 6.0Ah or beat it out slightly.
Is it a better battery? Sure. It has a lower capacity and it produces the same power, if not slightly more than the 6.0Ah.
Will all the guys who are purchasing 3 to 5 of these batteries see any benefit over the Six 6.0Ah's that they already own? I highly doubt it. All they did was waste money.
People have been posting pictures of their 5.0Ah HOs arriving in the mail on Reddit non stop. Some of these dudes already had some 15+ M12 batteries. Just added another 5+... and for what? A battery that can MAYBE draw more power from 1 or 2 tools that 80% of users might not ever use, or don't own those tools at all.
Time to start rewinding power tool motors with larger wire? :^D
@@SixSnax Well there's the benefit of lighter weight... but unless you're a geriatric I guess that doesn't matter much. The cells themselves are also higher quality so they should handle more charge cycles. I'm also left curious about their comparative performance in hot and cold weather. Regardless yeah it's just a little better all around, and the case is the only thing leaping forward. I'm much more impressed with Flex and Dewalt with the Lithium stacks.
@@hydrocarbon82 maybe but we are talking about very short bursts of current.
Great Video! You are correct the M12 BMS is on the tool. Also the M18 overdischarge protection is in the tool too, and not on the battery. I've repaired a fair bit of Milwaukee stuff.
Next year they will be cheaper and I will stick with my XC 4.0 and 6.0 batteries.
Just stick with 6.0 basically which what I use on high demand tools like impacts
Oh my! That was disappointing! Definitely the “iPhone effect”
Why would you purchase one 5.0 HO for the price of 2 /6.0 combo on sale?
TTC! Thank you so much for the video, this helps me understand what I bought! I really wish I had watched before, but I thankfully didn’t make a mistake!
I wish y'all had a right angle die grinder to do a run time test. The 2485-20 is a power hungry little battery burner
how about slapping a rc hobby lipo onto it. they are designed for extreme loads. a 4ah 3s pack with 80..120C can handle 300amps with ease. lipo might have a lower voltage tho, might try LiHV batteries instead.
Maybe we could buy the cheap 30$ M12 2.0 and replace the cells with the new cells instead of spending 100$ on the M12 HO 2.5
I wonder what it'll be like whenever they come out with nuclear batteries.
Battery falling out? Never heard about that one. They can require some effort to remove at times.
Apparently there is some of those Amazon batteries that do not fit as secure.
Could you compare real m12 battery with knock off m12 battery!
Dunno - it's a bit of a pointless arms-race. For the laughs I bought a "POS" Posenpro 3/8" cordless ratchet off A Mazon - it was just slightly more than tuppence (I have the posh brand impact-guns, quite a few as we use them all day at work) - not expecting much at all from the cheapo/crapo wrench. Well, that "POS" is now sat out front on the tool-cart & gets grabbed a lot, far more than the price would suggest it should & has yet failed to impress. I had intended going getting another Milwaukee to add to the collection, but thought better of it as they're gone very spendy here. So POSen it was..
You'd get 2 of the Posens for less than 1 battery ^ cost & the Posen comes with 2 batteries..... and yes, the Posen will run nuts/bolts & even stuff you grunted loose using a hand-ratchet because "Toite". It's a bit too easy to fall into the "I must have the latest.." trap - we spin nuts for a living, not a hobby. I'm happy with how the Posen performs - surprised even.
My m12 batteries are always a pain to get out, I wish they were easy to get out
I just bought 3 6.0s for the price of 1 5.0 lmao
The M12 cells appear to connect directly to the tool through a fusible link. The main protection appears to be a thermistor in the pack that connects to the tool. If a 6 cell pack is converted to three 21700 cells and the connections are the same the pack might be safe to use. The standard capacity of 21700 cells is 5.0 Ah so the pack would not be expected to give longer runtime than the new 5.0 Ah High Output pack.
Im interested to know if the ratchets get any extra break away beans from the ho's? Sounds like they will be better for wrenching on any ways. Love the channel, thanks n keep bringing them beans!
Like you said the battery is supplying the amperage that is being requested so even hooking it up to a car battery won't make a difference, you want an increase in voltage not amps, I just put a matco 16v battery on my Milwaukee right angle and it's insane, it took alot of work though, the shape of the battery was the same but the polarity was reversed and I had to do some hackery to make the battery tabs lock in properly, totally worth it though
Just to clarify with brushless motors in RC cars you increase voltage when you want to increase rpm, the matco 16v is actually 4 18650 (though it looks like it's was designed to have 5) in series as Opposed to the Milwaukees 3, so about a 30 percent increase in voltage
The m12 would be a great application of pouch cells.
I was thinking this the whole time. Could easily put a 4AH pouch in the small, 3 cell triangle battery case...
But then you don't have the cells. In the handle. It's not a good idea. To mix diffent cell types so you if you went pouch cells you would have a much lower capacity.
@@randybobandy9828 no mixing, only pouch type is what we were thinking about. Pouch batteries offer more energy density than cylindrical cells too.
Now find someone to make an m12 to m18 battery adapter and test an m12 with a huge m18 battery.
I've busted more than a few m12 6.0 batteries and I'm excited for that to stop with these new casings
8:08 Gas Fiber?! Jk I know it’s glass but the L just seemed to disappear when you said it the first time.
Hey with enough fiber, everything's gassy!
test when 6ah and 5ah are half charged
and everything will change
Seems like this battery is testing the waters for a more powerful m12 impact to follow....
I'd love to see an m12 mid-torque!
@@TorqueTestChannel Perhaps a fraken12?
I would think IPM would have to increase 2 or 3 fold and also it would murder battery life, but a 400+ftlb M12 impact would be amazing.
30q cells have test at 20amps all day long. I build cust esk8 battery packs and they are great cells.
Now will the XC5.0 HO have the same problem with the XC6.0 with random no charging issues?
These tests is how i compare 2 girlfriends
I think the HO will make the most difference in the Gen3 Fuel drill, which really bogs down before cutting out, or the Fuel circular saw as demonstrated in their Pipeline demo. It may also have an advantage when partially discharged.
Yep, it will also yield more capacity under load. My 20S filled CP2.0 puts put slightly more current than an xc6.0 but lasts about the same as a CP3.0 under load, just without bogging down.
@@procrastinator1842 5.0 didn't yield any real capacity gains over the 4.0 (cuts per Ah, with the M12 circular saw) at Milwaukee's own pipeline event. It was 46.8 (5.0) vs 46.6 (4.0). It would likely show some gains over the 6.0 considering the sustained load of a circular saw, but Milwaukee still chose to not market against the 6.0 for a reason, because it would've put a damper on the marketing hype. As we basically saw in this video.
CP 3.0 is the real loser vs CP 2.0/2.5, with the 2.5 being the most promising considering you need all the amps you can get when you have a CP-style pack with a 1P array of cells. But the 4.0/5.0/6.0 are firmly into the land of diminishing returns at this point. And there's not much sense in spending $120 on a 5.0 when 6.0s are so easily had for $55 with Home Depot hacks right now.
The real improvement should be with the battery casement/tabs. But why do we need entirely new SKUs centered around marketing hype to address one of the M12 platform's biggest flaws? These types of improvements need to be made across the board. And as long as the 2.0/4.0 are the most commonly shipped batteries in kits it's always going to be a rather large problem for the end user. Absolutely bone-headed move on Milwaukee's part if they don't eventually make any updates there, and it's probably a safe bet they won't do anything until 2.5/5.0 sales fall off.
There is no BMS on the M12 platform at all , tool or charger .
The tool has acces to the power treminals and the thermistor , for checking the temperature of the pack .
The charger has acces to the individual cells or pair of cells ( depending on the form factor of the battey ) but , and this is a big one , pun intendet , it¨s trough a one kilohm resistor , so the charger cannot do cell balance , only cell voltage monitoring , it can only reject battery packs that have a difference something like 0.6 - 0.7 volts . There are no other electronics inside the battery pack , exept for the said thermistor .
Because all cells are different to eachother it´s unavoidable that given enough charge discharge cycles you will get the dreaded red green blinking lights , you toss your battery in the efit bucket and go buy a new one .
One of the early signs of an unbalanced pack is that it no longer charges to full capacity , the carger only charges untill the first cell or pair of cells got to 4.2 volts . BUT when you check your overall voltage in the battery you discover that you are only 3/4 full . Bummer . Recenly our host at TTC has complained about a M18 big bucks battery , wich leads me to beleive that the M18 battery platform is the same , I E no balanced charging .
Battery bussiness is BIG , ain¨t that right Milwaukee ? It has to be , if you make your own battery pack and pay at RETAIL price for the cells , case and " electronics " it will cost you half the price .
Me , I have a balanced charger left from my RC days , and when I get a battery that no longer charges to full or has the red - green blinky blinky , i open the battery chage it on the balanced charger , test the internal resistence and the capacity of the cells , to see if I really have a gonner , then voila , I´m good for another 6 - 12 months .
My usage case is verry intensive , each week i mount thousants of mainly 8 and 10 mm bolts into high metallic structures . So yeah , in the menu we have a hot supper daily .
I be very surprised if the battery stops falling out and the tabs don’t break off. In 2~3 years. I got both bread new batteries that tabs broke vert fast and very old batteries that never broke
My old brushed M12 hammer drill (very first gen) will be 10 ( YES, TEN FULL YEARS OLD) NEXT JANUARY 2023, and the two old 1.5 Ah are now a little weak and don't last as much as when new, but I have NEVER experienced any battery falling out in ten years of use...
Hey man was wondering if you could recommend to me what you think is best, I’m looking for a compact(mainly smallest I can get size & weights) to remove lug nuts from a F150 TQ 135Ft lbs and my wife’s car is TQ at 100ft lb. I’m Not invested into any battery system yet but was looking at Milwaukee, Dewalt etc.
I purchased your PDF trying to do my own research but I’m confused with the TQ , I thought a non rusted bolt Tq at 135ft lbs A 200-250ft lb tq gun would zip it off but I can see now that’s not the case …
Anyways I Appreciate your time !
I fucking hate the M12 battery retention design. I've had like 3 sets of tabs break on me.
GARET!! I need your help! Or any that can help make custom battery packs. I’m thinking of making a custom battery pack and I would love to pay you to help me get this done! Hopefully you can see this!
Will wee see a 2.0/2.5 comparison as well?
Feel like the M12 can use the flat batter stack which DeWalt is using.
21700 cells have more capacity batteries are in square portion of pac. 3.7 X 3 equals 12 volts. no once 12 volt pac is connected hard to take off.
I'd love to see DIY M12 with Molicell P42A cells; these are basically the end-all-be-all for esk8 use.
Need to stuff the 21700 in those fake amazon 9ah m12s
I tried to stuff 6 21700 in one but o could only get 5 :/
@@garretttrampler7041 better than 3 my man
You don’t understand how batteries work lol
test the new mid torque kobalt
Im perfectly okay with m12 tools not being pushed to the brink due to the fact m18 exist. I think milwaukee needs to do a better job of making m18 counterparts to some of the m12s like the cuttoff tool and die grinders.
The 5.0 HO batteries might make more difference on saws. But I would like to see what the 2.5HO can do on an impact driver. Should be able to come close to the 6.0
Would love to see that. Using a 2.0 battery on my m12 saw stalls at virtually any resistance on a 2x4 with it at very slow cutting speeds. While the 4.0 is much better, it really could still use a boost in current capabilities.
@@upon1772 im an auto tech. my buddy is a carpenter. he kept complaining about the saws stalling. i thought it was a "feature" like so there is no kickback. i didnt know it was due to lack of power. ty
Mine have only fallen out sometimes when the tool is dropped. Noticed the other day, 1 2.0 battery has the top cap tabs broken but hasn't come off yet. All the black tabs still good. I'm in automotive & usually dropped from waist height
Car headlight bulb lumens test. Aftermarket examples such as Boslla.
i must be a fuckin savage, seems like no one else has had problems with there m12 batteries falling out. that got annoying. amazon specials fixed that. only my 6.0 stays strong with the clips. after reading all these comments tho, forget buying a new battery. with enough research i think i can make my own
I've never had an M12 battery fall out. But I'm also very careful with my tools.
I’ve heard that the regular 6 amp batteries are better than the high output 5 amp.
I heard Milwaukee is coming out with stacked lithium batteries next year.
I’ve actually never had a battery fail out. The 6 amp battery is kind of hard to get out.
Pathetic release from Milwaukee. They need to pump out a version of the new style stackable batteries and stop fixing what doesn’t need to be fixed.
My girlfriend has arthritis so I cut 1 batterylock tab off all her m12s the only tool that doesn't like that is her hacksall
I was wondering why they didn’t just do this when they said high output… If a homemade one is already better than theirs, Looks like they should have
THAT IS BECAUSE many "Design Engineers"' at too many companies are either too lazy, too underpaid or both things, and produce under-designed tools... INSTEAD, a determined and savvy DIY individual will almost always OUTPERFORM the factory "engineer", most probably because he is less pressured by the factory CEOs or "bean-counters" or is just doing what he loves to do, while the factory employee is working under pressure and not as motivated... That can be clearly seen in that DIY hack: That NO ONE at Milwaukee thought of locating a bigger 21700 cell inside the handle, leaving plenty of space at the bottom for the other two 21700 cells... That was PURE GENIUS!
Lets see if another enterprising DIY goes the way to OVER VOLTAGING the M12 tools by lodging a FOUR CELL 14.4 volts into a refurbished housing... That would be a way more dramatic increase in performance...
I've seen some adapters to use m18 batteries on m12 tools... Anyone tried those?
old school diy vape users already know 18650s are very different,