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I have a Dewalt 1/4 apex unit and got transmission fluid in it, water too and it still works fine, precision transmission had those fuel m18 units and they stopped working as soon as transmission fluid got in them.
You can technically still keep your warranty if the mod can be reversed. Laws have been put in place where you can cut the stickers to service a tool and companies can’t void coverage.
I have a gen 3 Frankenstein I built, I'm a heavy truck technician by trade, a half inch snap on air impact wouldn't remove maxxforce 13 head bolts and the gen 3 Frankenstein blasted all of them out with ease with a xc5.0 battery
I work on smaller diesel stuff and I got the DCF921 1/2” compact. I thought I made a mistake buying such a small compact with a big anvil but it actually gets crusty stuff apart with no sweat and I’m amazed.
@@notsevenfeettall The problem with air tools is the rated specs is with much higher pressure and a thick air line connected directly to a beefy air compressor. In a shop the pressure is usually lower to start and there’s hundreds of feet of tube the air has to travel to get to your tool. By the time it gets to you it’s hot air and doesn’t have that big push behind it so the pressure drops super fast.
@@markm0000 🤔 Sounds like we need to strap an intercooler right where the hose hooks into the ridged wall plumbing! lol I wonder if a simple U-bend transmission cooler and a couple 12V 120mm or 140mm computer fans would do the trick? _(in all seriousness, I'm not really suggesting that it'd make a difference heh)_
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE If you actually want decent power out of your air tools add a small air tank on the side of your toolbox as a buffer and use a high flow air line with high flow quick connects for your tools. It will make a massive difference in burst performance. If you do that might as well add a drier and oiler so your tools last longer.
I made a dcf850 with a 3/8 anvil a few months ago and it rips. Dewalt n646882 anvil. It's the anvil from the dcf902 and slips right in. With power stack it is a great compact tool for automotive tasks.
I guess it should be no surprise to me that people modify off the shelf impact wrenches since I modify chainsaws and vehicles. But, I never would have thought about doing this.
The M12 stubby is just the sweet spot for these compact impact wrenches, I just wish they weren't so wildly overpriced. $199 for a tiny 12 volt impact is bonkers. I could see $149 max.
The tools are bad enough, but the battery prices are what really keep me adopting more battery tools. Buy an air tool once. Oil it and it will last forever. Buy a battery tool and it and it's batteries will eventually die. That being said I have 99% converted to Milwaukee battery ratchets but that's it so far.
@@_Radius_ that's why I like Ridgid, not the strongest, or highest quality, but the Lifetime Warranty sells me, recently had to warranty a drill I purchased in 2017, on the phone I was told where to take the drill, it was a Ridgid authorized service center, I was charged unexpectedly charged $35 as a deposit at the service center (later got back $30, shop kept $5 as a "recycling fee" whatever this means but ok), but when I was on the call with Ridgid, I mentioned how the batteries were becoming weak, dying quicker, etc, the person on the phone immediately ordered 2 new batteries (I LSA'd 2 batteries), and they didn't ask for the old ones back, only told me to recycle them.
Idk I find myself grabbing that rigid sub compact more often than even my 1/2in big guns and it always impresses me. She's a mean little bugger for the size.
Between my new makita 40v GDT01 impact driver, and GWT07D 1/2" mid torque impact wrench there's not much I can't do on my vehicles and trucks. I even used the mid torque to bust lugs off my semi truck. 0 problems. Loving the new 40v line. I'm slowly upgrading from 18v . Just ordered the new hammer drill. Can't wait to use it on some concrete work I'm going to be doing at the house.
Bought all the XGT impacts and hammer drill last year, the midtorque is so powerful that i havent needed the 3/4" yet, just slap a 3/4" adapter on the midtorque. Best of all, never need to use freshly charged big heavy batteries, the power is there even when only 1 bar left on the 2.5ah battery. Milwaukee and such is for the Honda crank bolt test guys who never use their powertools productively, Makita is for actual powertool users.
This channel is sooo awesome. I just bought the Gen 4 Milwaukee, and was pumping my fist as if my Team just won a Football game, when the Gen 4 came out on top. My Gen 4 is non converted, so it doesn’t even count in this ranking 😅😂😂😂, so makes no sense for me to be hype but I was 😂🤣😂🤣. Great work guys, luv it.
Id be interested seeing how Milwaukees factory 1/4 square anvil impact guns compared to their 1/4 hex counter parts but I’ve only seen them on the website. Like the 2461 vs 2462 or the 2463 since it’s 3/8 already.
Where has this channel been my whole life?? Railway guns, Gas powered Milwaukee impacts, and reviews of things I use every day? Its Project Farm with way more chaos lol
I have a question, I've had good luck with cleaning and regreasing impacts with high quality synthetic moly NLGI #1 grease. They've always felt smoother and seemed to have more hit power afterwards. Am I just making myself feel better or is there something to be had with better grease?
There was a tool assembler who mentioned that the quantity of grease made a noticeable difference in how a tool performs. He has said that packing a tool with too much grease would lower it's torque capability. Conversely, using Project Farm's data on grease qualities would infer that you're assuming correctly.
@@WildDisaster Indeed, I have accidentally over greased air tools before and the loss in performance is... Noticeable to say the least. I always wondered why in air impacts the grease used is moly grease, but in every electric I've opened or seen opened its usually some normal lithium based bearing grease. You'd think for the hammer surfaces they'd know and use the advantages of moly loaded grease. My only conclusion is that they use normal grease because it's cheaper. It would be interesting to see TTC test and see if performance improves and by how much.
Thanks I’ll order a tube and keep it for greasing my tools. I’ve been using normal lithium grease and it’s smoother at first but breaks down fast when the tool gets hot.
Is there a way to purchase the parts needed for conversion with out purchasing both impacts??? Because u should change the prices to reflect the modifications
i have a Ridgid SubCompact 3/8 drive impact. I love it, it does everything i ask. I did an entire engine replacement on an X3 B58 engine with it. Subframe bolts, suspension bolts, flywheel and torque converter bolts, etc. Only thing it obviously couldnt handle were the axle bolts. Been contemplating getting the 1/2 inch version as well
Hi, my 850 is off the hook with performance especially for kitchen cabinets excellent for tight spaces, I have my 921 when I need to drive lag bolts, excellent video as always both tools are great with the swops,
Yeah my gen 4 just got a bit twisted in it today at work… when I saw this video my first thought was “this is the future of impact drivers.” They keep making these things more and more powerful and we’re gonna have to either make leaps and bounds in metallurgy or go to something with more beef even just for driving torx deck screws into a trailer like I was today
It would be interesting to see how much torque a drill driver puts out (Forward/Reverse). With people now using them with Ice auger attachments along with several other things they've not been used for previously thanks to the increase in power, I think it would be cool to see.
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you for your hard work, I really believe getting into the drill/driver testing would pay for itself in the expanded audience!
I actually made a Gen 3 impact driver in a 3/8 drive. I had to get a little creative with the front bushing but it has so far proven very tough and incredibly spicy. Let me know if you want to test it, seeing as the 3/8 Milwaukees do tend to run better for some reason. Very happy with it.
This would be so awesome 😎 Recently sold my M18 Frankenstein for a great price and picked up this DCF850 with Powestack battery and 3/8" anvil! Can't wait to test soon as the anvil arrives 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 Wonder how much better the 3/8ths anvil is on your unit vs the 1/2". With the M18 Frankenstein, the 1/2 is already a beast!!
@@mike_t_007 been using it at the shop for a long time now, thing doesn't like impacting the same thing for more than about 8-10 seconds but it still does a very good job and has not quit on me.
im always impress by my mil 2854 3/8 stubby impact bought it to replace my 3/8 snap-on got fed up of the brand and i always find myself trying my 3/8 impact wrench on bolt & nuts i shouldn't. working in the rust belt. make me smile everytime it can unbolt stuff a 3/8 shouldn't be able to! 🤣 like 1500 truck lug nuts of course i only do one just for giggle and making sure its not broken! 😅
I like your testing it's very good but it would be nice to see what kind of efficiency these tools have , is there any way you can monitor the current as well as a voltage while doing your testing I'm a EE electronics engineer if you need help on how to do Let me know
I think size should count for more in this chart. Going through all the trouble to get something less powerful but this small then deciding you need to save a few bucks and get a few more ft lbs by getting the Kobalt is a bit silly. If I wanted one I'd even consider going with the DeWalt for smaller overall size even with the lower power and higher cost.
Finally! Lol. I was beginning to wonder about the XTR. 275 ft/lbs. Not too shabby. I know it has no problems on any lugnut I own. But nice to finally see the numbers. I love all of these haha. Would love to see the newer Metabo (Hikoki) WR36DC Wrench. It looks to be similar to the DB in new clothes 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks again man!. Yeah, been trying to find a 36DC bare, everything sold seems to be a kit and we already have multiple of those batteries and chargers.
@@TorqueTestChannel I can understand that. I don't have the wrench, yet lol. But I do have the 36DC Driver. I was sent the kit from MHPT for test/eval. You're welcome to test it
I had ridgid stuff a while back and had seen some conversions to 3/8 and eventually I found the info it was a Milwaukiee anvil and I nu st had to remove a small collar on the inside and it went right in if I recall correctly it was like 5 years ago
Not trying to piss off any Milwaukee users but I love the new DeWalt Atomic impact wrench. So fun and easy to use. I also got the 12 volt line from DeWalt because they are more comfortable to my hands. I also hate the Milwaukee collars. Even though it's fixable under warranty, Milwaukee has became a pain in the ass to get your tools to them.
Did TTC ever review the DeWalt DCF887? I thought you had, but I'm not seeing it on the spreadsheet. I seem to remember purchasing it because it was the next best offering in the DeWalt line, as the DCF850 wasn't available yet.
When you tighten fasteners in rapid succession sound becomes the larger issue. I want it tight in 5 taps. I will spend any amount of money to make that happen. My favorite impact of all time is Milwaukee 2654-20. It still works and I still use it in the garage. I ALWAYS have the current best 3/8 battery impact in my 50k snap on tool box at work. I have smoked or sold off many between the 2654 and current. One was yellow. Big mistake. None were snap on. I miss the 2654 at work because of the noise. My 2554 now needs quite a few more Uga-Dugan. I can dial my titanium quiet within 10lbs. I torque critical fasteners thousands of times per month. I have hurt myself many times when the socket came off. Snap on helps for that but if you can’t get a solid grip…. Or when it lets loose and I go flying off the truck it sucks. It hurts for sometimes months. I want a repeatable impact for precisely applying torque. Please please help.
One I'd like to build is a Dewalt DCF801 with the ¼" square drive anvil from the Mac MCF901. I've seen a few guys do the DCF902 with the MCF901 anvil but never the 3 speed DCF801 as the foundation 🤔
@@markm0000 I pushed mine past it's limitations (it died loosening a 36mm hub nut, which it did plenty of times prior) and to be completely honest it was never a great fit. The anvil had end float slop since the day it went together. My best bet is that the hammers had too much clearance and weren't transferring the load to the anvil properly. Something had to give! Having said that, being in Australia I can't get my hands on a replacement hammer assembly!
Thats for video helps sitting in hospital 👍👍👍👍 plus its a great day my son is probably going to get to come home today after his role over Saturday night and got 3 broken places in his neck one compounded fracture and broken shoulder blade lot of answered prayers that he is walking out of her 🙏
I wonder if you would switch the anvils on the d walls if you would get the same results.Also if you had ten impacts of the same model how different would one be from the other. Well they all bring the same numbers, or will there be variants amongst the same models.
I want to see this done with the new Hercules hex impact. I love mine, but i keep on breaking the adapters. And this would remove a full inch of length
I would also like to see weight without battery so we can have power to weight listing. The less weight you would be swinging around as you work, the less fatigue. Can we also get the last gen Bosch Freak on that list as the original concept?
Love the video as usual. You know what's weird though? I have watched every single video of yours and know what would be the best bang for buck wrenches to grab but I bought all Ryobi just because of the way they to the battery like a magazine rather than a slide in haha.
Are you going to test out the Milwaukee M12 stubby Impact wrench with the new CP2.5 battery and Later the new XC5.0? Also I have not seen the 2454 3/8 M12 FUEL impact wrench on this channel I think It would be interesting to see how much the power difference is between it and the Stubby!
@@TorqueTestChannel Can you also test the M12 FUEL 3/8 impact wrench 2454 (not the stubby models) it’s an older model but is still sold on Home Depot’s website
Is the quick heating up of the gen 4 looking like a design flaw over the gen 3. Is the extra metal of the gen 3 body providing better heat dissipation, and therefore, the gen 4 will always be on the verge of failure like in your previous video?
In not sure if you guys can get them in the states but there is a brand in Canada called mastercraft they are budget and I’d love to see what they do and if it be worth upgrading my brushed dewaltw to
I use a makita dtw 300z on a daily basis up to 6hours a day. It’s a great tool for what I use it for but it’s starting to show wear and tear after 18 months. Always used with 5amp battery. What do you suggest I upgrade to??
Would be neet to see Philly Fixed or man caver tools take the Dcf840 and mod them with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils to compare against the Dcf850s @Torque Test Channel
i use my driver as a wrench all the time - i bought a Fujiya 512-21-BG to break lugnuts loose on my Altima. otherwise, i use a 1/4" shank to 1/2" hogring if i need to work on brakes or axle nuts. i've been eyeing a mid-torque but i haven't had the need yet. btw, it would be interesting if you can test if welding on a socket to a hex shank to square adaptor would mitigate losses caused by using the adaptor
I just want to know about Torque NM Value. If I use impact wrench only for motorcycle but it's 100cc scooter(VF100 or VM100N) Is it suitable for 100cc scooter at least over 500NM or 800NM? Sometimes I need to repair or replace CVT belt or engine parts. Also I'm looking for cheapest one.
Just found this. Think I'll be building a Gen 3 specifically for wheels on a racecar. Seems similar to the ThunderGun in that it spins up faster but doesn't have quite the same amount of torque. But wheels torqued to 100lbs should be no issue.
Can you do a test of clamping pressure of a bolt with copper antisieze on it vs one without so that we can finally see if the "30%" reduction in torque on a torque wrench true? Itd be nice if you used a torque wrench or torque stick to see the difference??
Can you please check for the new craftsman 1/2 high range impact wrench RP, I'm curious if like his mid torque brother, it will be as strong as the 2nd to last gen of dewalt.
i did that exact mod and used it to change the brakes/wheel bearings on my car. plenty of power for most things, but most importantly it fits where i need it to.
can you try and convert this to a square drive Parkside PDSSA 20-Li A1 it has amazing power and rpm just as a driver i wonder how would it compare as a wrench
I’ve been waiting for my local hd to gen the gen 4 driver in as tool only so I could get one. I was gonna swap my gen 3 but guess I’ll do it to the gen 4
I’m back here 2 years later and came across a cheap 2953 impact driver. But watching this video, the numbers don’t seem to be worth the mod when compared to the actual impact wrenches (M18 or M12)? Or am I misinterpreting the usage of such a modded tool?
IDK. That's why I like the DeWalt. I don't trust high torque on small heads for longevity. There are many things I want around 100ftlb a torque for, and I love that I can pick up a DeWalt stubby, nail it on without adjustments or fuss and know I'm close without fear of snapping bolts. When I need more beans, I move up. IDK, that just seems logical to me.
@@crforfreedom7407 Milwaukee fan boys don't care about anything except peak torque. Ergonomics, battery life, cost, longevity etc mean nothing to them. 100ft lb in an ultra compact impact is extremely useful.
I only want milwaukee simply because I already committed to the batteries. Most the time I buy Mastercraft or whatever from Canadian tire. Most the time it's just whatever works within reason but I just like the look of the Dewalt stubby as a wrench, it's a good look lol
@@hellpier4154 I've used DeWalt cordless products mostly commercially since 1996. They've taken some serious abuse from me and never gave up. I can only think of one that quit before the swap for an upgrade, and I don't follow trends. I keep most of mine 10+ years or more.
@@SpeedDemon88X A lot of guys like those cordless ratchets, and they're only around 30-40ftlb! It's nice having a tool for the right range of fasteners. I like Milwaukee for 12v. I've been DeWalt since 1996 and they've taken some real abuse from me (I've got a bad temper! Things get thrown!!). They just don't stop running. Not in my experience anyway.
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How do you plan on claiming your royalties when Milwaukee sees these test results and does exactly this from the factory?
I have a Dewalt 1/4 apex unit and got transmission fluid in it, water too and it still works fine, precision transmission had those fuel m18 units and they stopped working as soon as transmission fluid got in them.
@@h8GW Forward them to Man Caver Tools? Haha
Where can I get a dewalt like that 3/8 drive?
Shiiiiiit half inch too
Going to have to split the impacts into two categories now; stock and warranty voided (or extra spicy).
Normal beans
Refried beans
@@thermobollocks Love it!
why doesn't milwaukee just do this off the shelf?
You can technically still keep your warranty if the mod can be reversed. Laws have been put in place where you can cut the stickers to service a tool and companies can’t void coverage.
😂 refried beans omg yes
This new MOD list is going to get a lot of action. This is going to be FUN!
I have a gen 3 Frankenstein I built, I'm a heavy truck technician by trade, a half inch snap on air impact wouldn't remove maxxforce 13 head bolts and the gen 3 Frankenstein blasted all of them out with ease with a xc5.0 battery
I work on smaller diesel stuff and I got the DCF921 1/2” compact. I thought I made a mistake buying such a small compact with a big anvil but it actually gets crusty stuff apart with no sweat and I’m amazed.
@@notsevenfeettall The problem with air tools is the rated specs is with much higher pressure and a thick air line connected directly to a beefy air compressor. In a shop the pressure is usually lower to start and there’s hundreds of feet of tube the air has to travel to get to your tool. By the time it gets to you it’s hot air and doesn’t have that big push behind it so the pressure drops super fast.
@@markm0000 🤔
Sounds like we need to strap an intercooler right where the hose hooks into the ridged wall plumbing! lol
I wonder if a simple U-bend transmission cooler and a couple 12V 120mm or 140mm computer fans would do the trick?
_(in all seriousness, I'm not really suggesting that it'd make a difference heh)_
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
If you actually want decent power out of your air tools add a small air tank on the side of your toolbox as a buffer and use a high flow air line with high flow quick connects for your tools. It will make a massive difference in burst performance. If you do that might as well add a drier and oiler so your tools last longer.
@@markm0000 try a dcf891b
All of these are complete abominations and I am totally here for it.
Me watching my in laws at Thanksgiving
@@elvsrbad2 I don’t even wanna be there for that: I can’t stand my in laws
I made a dcf850 with a 3/8 anvil a few months ago and it rips. Dewalt n646882 anvil. It's the anvil from the dcf902 and slips right in. With power stack it is a great compact tool for automotive tasks.
@@elvsrbad2 That time of the year is coming in two months
Wish it could have the chuck where you could still use a driver bit
I love the disparity between these and the nitro 2 stroke impact. Exploring both ends of the spectrum I love it ❤️
A practical tool for every job :P
@@TorqueTestChannel Let me... just.... add this here, add that to there, swap that...
_"An impractical tool for any job."_
There! Fixed it for ya 🤘😁
I appreciate shouting out other tool channels worth checking out, so many are just advertising for companies with more steps.
Would love to see this on the 12v models. The latest m12 impact driver, modded with 3/8 anvil swap. We want the smallest tool, made into a wrench
Would like to see it in the m12 but in a 1/4 inch anvil.
Yes! That would be awesome to see how it stacks up against the m12 stubby!
As soon as you said there was a mystery tool I knew it must be John’s custom Kobalt. So glad you finally got around to testing it!
I guess it should be no surprise to me that people modify off the shelf impact wrenches since I modify chainsaws and vehicles. But, I never would have thought about doing this.
Once again great video TTC. Loved seeing that XTR
I did the mod on the 850, and it is outstanding. 100% worth it
The M12 stubby is just the sweet spot for these compact impact wrenches, I just wish they weren't so wildly overpriced. $199 for a tiny 12 volt impact is bonkers. I could see $149 max.
Milwaukee tax
The tools are bad enough, but the battery prices are what really keep me adopting more battery tools. Buy an air tool once. Oil it and it will last forever. Buy a battery tool and it and it's batteries will eventually die. That being said I have 99% converted to Milwaukee battery ratchets but that's it so far.
@@_Radius_ that's why I like Ridgid, not the strongest, or highest quality, but the Lifetime Warranty sells me, recently had to warranty a drill I purchased in 2017, on the phone I was told where to take the drill, it was a Ridgid authorized service center, I was charged unexpectedly charged $35 as a deposit at the service center (later got back $30, shop kept $5 as a "recycling fee" whatever this means but ok), but when I was on the call with Ridgid, I mentioned how the batteries were becoming weak, dying quicker, etc, the person on the phone immediately ordered 2 new batteries (I LSA'd 2 batteries), and they didn't ask for the old ones back, only told me to recycle them.
These conversions are more powerful and cost less to make 😎
Watching these videos make me think the Gen3 is going to go down in history as one of the best ever tools Milwaukee has made
Idk I find myself grabbing that rigid sub compact more often than even my 1/2in big guns and it always impresses me. She's a mean little bugger for the size.
I modded my older DCF 886 into a 3/8 wrench. It successfully removed proper 80 ft/lb lug nuts and loosened rusty brake fittings.
Same here, I’ve used it so much and it still works. Such an amazing tool
Between my new makita 40v GDT01 impact driver, and GWT07D 1/2" mid torque impact wrench there's not much I can't do on my vehicles and trucks. I even used the mid torque to bust lugs off my semi truck. 0 problems. Loving the new 40v line. I'm slowly upgrading from 18v . Just ordered the new hammer drill. Can't wait to use it on some concrete work I'm going to be doing at the house.
Bought all the XGT impacts and hammer drill last year, the midtorque is so powerful that i havent needed the 3/4" yet, just slap a 3/4" adapter on the midtorque. Best of all, never need to use freshly charged big heavy batteries, the power is there even when only 1 bar left on the 2.5ah battery. Milwaukee and such is for the Honda crank bolt test guys who never use their powertools productively, Makita is for actual powertool users.
@@pflaffik yeah makita for men, moded milwaki's for boys that ware perfume and wish they were holding mens tools on their youtube channel.
This channel is sooo awesome. I just bought the Gen 4 Milwaukee, and was pumping my fist as if my Team just won a Football game, when the Gen 4 came out on top. My Gen 4 is non converted, so it doesn’t even count in this ranking 😅😂😂😂, so makes no sense for me to be hype but I was 😂🤣😂🤣. Great work guys, luv it.
That's a great tool you have. Just picked up the DCF 850 and anvil. Interested in the tiny footprint
Id be interested seeing how Milwaukees factory 1/4 square anvil impact guns compared to their 1/4 hex counter parts but I’ve only seen them on the website. Like the 2461 vs 2462 or the 2463 since it’s 3/8 already.
Where has this channel been my whole life?? Railway guns, Gas powered Milwaukee impacts, and reviews of things I use every day? Its Project Farm with way more chaos lol
Thanks fellas! Nice to see guys out there modding these tools and TTC testing them.
I have a question, I've had good luck with cleaning and regreasing impacts with high quality synthetic moly NLGI #1 grease. They've always felt smoother and seemed to have more hit power afterwards. Am I just making myself feel better or is there something to be had with better grease?
There was a tool assembler who mentioned that the quantity of grease made a noticeable difference in how a tool performs. He has said that packing a tool with too much grease would lower it's torque capability. Conversely, using Project Farm's data on grease qualities would infer that you're assuming correctly.
@@WildDisaster Indeed, I have accidentally over greased air tools before and the loss in performance is... Noticeable to say the least.
I always wondered why in air impacts the grease used is moly grease, but in every electric I've opened or seen opened its usually some normal lithium based bearing grease. You'd think for the hammer surfaces they'd know and use the advantages of moly loaded grease. My only conclusion is that they use normal grease because it's cheaper.
It would be interesting to see TTC test and see if performance improves and by how much.
Ask your boyfriend 😂😂😂
Thanks I’ll order a tube and keep it for greasing my tools. I’ve been using normal lithium grease and it’s smoother at first but breaks down fast when the tool gets hot.
Is there a way to purchase the parts needed for conversion with out purchasing both impacts??? Because u should change the prices to reflect the modifications
i have a Ridgid SubCompact 3/8 drive impact. I love it, it does everything i ask. I did an entire engine replacement on an X3 B58 engine with it. Subframe bolts, suspension bolts, flywheel and torque converter bolts, etc. Only thing it obviously couldnt handle were the axle bolts. Been contemplating getting the 1/2 inch version as well
Hi, my 850 is off the hook with performance especially for kitchen cabinets excellent for tight spaces, I have my 921 when I need to drive lag bolts, excellent video as always both tools are great with the swops,
Yeah my gen 4 just got a bit twisted in it today at work… when I saw this video my first thought was “this is the future of impact drivers.” They keep making these things more and more powerful and we’re gonna have to either make leaps and bounds in metallurgy or go to something with more beef even just for driving torx deck screws into a trailer like I was today
This video is gonna be a good leadup to the new Kobalt mid torque conquering that category.
The Kobalt mid-torque is going to conquer compact impact wrenches?
i'll never understand the brand fanboys.
@@TorqueTestChannel No, mid torques.
@@acomingextinction Not really a brand fanboy. I just love seeing the constant oneupmanship.
I think it’s going to tie the Makita impact wrench at best. But it’s not dethroning the dcf891.
It would be interesting to see how much torque a drill driver puts out (Forward/Reverse). With people now using them with Ice auger attachments along with several other things they've not been used for previously thanks to the increase in power, I think it would be cool to see.
We've been making prototypes for over a year for a drill dyno, it requires something harder to make than this type of set-up. We're not giving up.
@@TorqueTestChannel if I’m thinking correctly and a drill dyno would need to be similar than a car dyno that sounds like an expensive venture.
@@timblack33 You're correct
@@fabianbohnert120 A dyno brake. Yup!
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you for your hard work, I really believe getting into the drill/driver testing would pay for itself in the expanded audience!
I want the 3/8 gen 4!! Milwaukee would be better than the stubby 3/8 12v I assume??? I need something lightweight for my tennis elbow
I wonder if the gen 4 M18 was converted into a 3/8"s anvil version, if it would have done better?
I actually made a Gen 3 impact driver in a 3/8 drive. I had to get a little creative with the front bushing but it has so far proven very tough and incredibly spicy. Let me know if you want to test it, seeing as the 3/8 Milwaukees do tend to run better for some reason. Very happy with it.
This would be so awesome 😎
Recently sold my M18 Frankenstein for a great price and picked up this DCF850 with Powestack battery and 3/8" anvil! Can't wait to test soon as the anvil arrives 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Wonder how much better the 3/8ths anvil is on your unit vs the 1/2". With the M18 Frankenstein, the 1/2 is already a beast!!
How's it treating you?
@@mike_t_007 been using it at the shop for a long time now, thing doesn't like impacting the same thing for more than about 8-10 seconds but it still does a very good job and has not quit on me.
Thinking of picking up another Gen 3 or 4 this weekend and would like to do the 3/8th conversion. Which anvil part # did you go with?
I've got one I made 2 years ago and I'm still using it as my daily impact and would love to send it to you for review
Cool to see some evidence these modded tools can last.
Could they make the 1/2" anvil also have a 1/4" hex insert for normal driver bits? That would be a sick combo tool.
i think the bosch gdx has this feature.
Also a “always on” mode for the LEDs so you can use it as a work light.
It does, I have one. Cleaver bit of design
I own a Bosch freak in the versatility is awesome but I want the power of the Milwaukee Gen 4
Can't wait to see a modded version of the DCF860
Really makes the Dewalt DCF 921 look like the king to me.It beats all of these and only 1/2 inch longer.
this makes me want to put a 3/8ths onto my milwaukee driver lol I use it exclusively as a mini impact
im always impress by my mil 2854 3/8 stubby impact bought it to replace my 3/8 snap-on got fed up of the brand and i always find myself trying my 3/8 impact wrench on bolt & nuts i shouldn't. working in the rust belt. make me smile everytime it can unbolt stuff a 3/8 shouldn't be able to! 🤣
like 1500 truck lug nuts of course i only do one just for giggle and making sure its not broken! 😅
would be nice to consider the noise in the over all rating
I like your testing it's very good but it would be nice to see what kind of efficiency these tools have , is there any way you can monitor the current as well as a voltage while doing your testing I'm a EE electronics engineer if you need help on how to do Let me know
I think size should count for more in this chart. Going through all the trouble to get something less powerful but this small then deciding you need to save a few bucks and get a few more ft lbs by getting the Kobalt is a bit silly. If I wanted one I'd even consider going with the DeWalt for smaller overall size even with the lower power and higher cost.
I definitely think the OEM could learn a lot from these. Love the video's. 👍
Finally! Lol. I was beginning to wonder about the XTR. 275 ft/lbs. Not too shabby. I know it has no problems on any lugnut I own. But nice to finally see the numbers. I love all of these haha. Would love to see the newer Metabo (Hikoki) WR36DC Wrench. It looks to be similar to the DB in new clothes 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks again man!. Yeah, been trying to find a 36DC bare, everything sold seems to be a kit and we already have multiple of those batteries and chargers.
@@TorqueTestChannel I can understand that. I don't have the wrench, yet lol. But I do have the 36DC Driver. I was sent the kit from MHPT for test/eval. You're welcome to test it
@@J.Wick. We need to buy one as we're going to cut it up in the process of testing and filming
@@TorqueTestChannel ahhh... Yeah. I like mine too much for that 😆. Looking forward to it. And the XDT19.
I had ridgid stuff a while back and had seen some conversions to 3/8 and eventually I found the info it was a Milwaukiee anvil and I nu st had to remove a small collar on the inside and it went right in if I recall correctly it was like 5 years ago
Impressed how small the dcf850 with the 3/8 anvil
Not trying to piss off any Milwaukee users but I love the new DeWalt Atomic impact wrench. So fun and easy to use. I also got the 12 volt line from DeWalt because they are more comfortable to my hands. I also hate the Milwaukee collars. Even though it's fixable under warranty, Milwaukee has became a pain in the ass to get your tools to them.
Love to see you guys finally showing some kobalt love. That 24v line is INSANE
Kobalt is great, more coming up
Did TTC ever review the DeWalt DCF887? I thought you had, but I'm not seeing it on the spreadsheet. I seem to remember purchasing it because it was the next best offering in the DeWalt line, as the DCF850 wasn't available yet.
I appreciate how thorough and scientific you are in testing.
Dave at man caver tools and Jim at Philly Fixed Killing it with these custom impact Driver Conversions to impact wrenches @Torque Test Channel
When you tighten fasteners in rapid succession sound becomes the larger issue. I want it tight in 5 taps. I will spend any amount of money to make that happen. My favorite impact of all time is Milwaukee 2654-20. It still works and I still use it in the garage. I ALWAYS have the current best 3/8 battery impact in my 50k snap on tool box at work. I have smoked or sold off many between the 2654 and current. One was yellow. Big mistake. None were snap on. I miss the 2654 at work because of the noise. My 2554 now needs quite a few more Uga-Dugan. I can dial my titanium quiet within 10lbs. I torque critical fasteners thousands of times per month. I have hurt myself many times when the socket came off. Snap on helps for that but if you can’t get a solid grip…. Or when it lets loose and I go flying off the truck it sucks. It hurts for sometimes months. I want a repeatable impact for precisely applying torque. Please please help.
One I'd like to build is a Dewalt DCF801 with the ¼" square drive anvil from the Mac MCF901. I've seen a few guys do the DCF902 with the MCF901 anvil but never the 3 speed DCF801 as the foundation 🤔
My gen 3 Frankenstein exploded the hammer mechanism inside the case after around 12 months of daily use. 😪
Did you grease it? I use my dcf921 every day and grease it every couple months.
@@markm0000 I pushed mine past it's limitations (it died loosening a 36mm hub nut, which it did plenty of times prior) and to be completely honest it was never a great fit. The anvil had end float slop since the day it went together. My best bet is that the hammers had too much clearance and weren't transferring the load to the anvil properly. Something had to give! Having said that, being in Australia I can't get my hands on a replacement hammer assembly!
Thats for video helps sitting in hospital 👍👍👍👍 plus its a great day my son is probably going to get to come home today after his role over Saturday night and got 3 broken places in his neck one compounded fracture and broken shoulder blade lot of answered prayers that he is walking out of her 🙏
I wonder if you would switch the anvils on the d walls if you would get the same results.Also if you had ten impacts of the same model how different would one be from the other. Well they all bring the same numbers, or will there be variants amongst the same models.
I want to see this done with the new Hercules hex impact. I love mine, but i keep on breaking the adapters. And this would remove a full inch of length
I did the Kobalt XTR 3/8’s conversion 🎉 works pretty well
It would be nice if you could test the older DCF887. It also has 3/8" and 1/2" mods. I personally use it with the 1/2" and it's pretty solid.
I've got mine with the ⅜" and it's been like a brand new tool ever since! Love it!
I think the gen 4 Milwaukee is more optimized with the high output batteries.
kinda want to do the 3/8 conversion to my driver i would use it alot more
How's the length vs the right angle impacts. Might be cool to have an ajustable handle.
It's so small - she said
But so powerful - he said
I would also like to see weight without battery so we can have power to weight listing. The less weight you would be swinging around as you work, the less fatigue. Can we also get the last gen Bosch Freak on that list as the original concept?
How does the modded XTR impact driver compare to the Kobalt dedicated impact wrenches?
Love the video as usual. You know what's weird though? I have watched every single video of yours and know what would be the best bang for buck wrenches to grab but I bought all Ryobi just because of the way they to the battery like a magazine rather than a slide in haha.
What about using the powerstack battery in the dewalt?
I would buy one of those stubbies if it ever came to market those would be so handy.
Just get the dewalt 921.
@@djsi38t no
Wow the moded kobalt Xtr is killing the chart
I did almost the same thing with my XTR, except I used the 3/8 anvil
Are you going to test out the Milwaukee M12 stubby Impact wrench with the new CP2.5 battery and Later the new XC5.0? Also I have not seen the 2454 3/8 M12 FUEL impact wrench on this channel I think It would be interesting to see how much the power difference is between it and the Stubby!
Yes on the 5.0, and here: ua-cam.com/video/9PU_V1btloA/v-deo.html
@@TorqueTestChannel Can you also test the M12 FUEL 3/8 impact wrench 2454 (not the stubby models) it’s an older model but is still sold on Home Depot’s website
I have the dewalt impact and its amazing how small it is I literally fit it and all the bits I need and the XR 5ah battery in a pencil case
Is the quick heating up of the gen 4 looking like a design flaw over the gen 3. Is the extra metal of the gen 3 body providing better heat dissipation, and therefore, the gen 4 will always be on the verge of failure like in your previous video?
In not sure if you guys can get them in the states but there is a brand in Canada called mastercraft they are budget and I’d love to see what they do and if it be worth upgrading my brushed dewaltw to
Send em one and they will test it
I use a makita dtw 300z on a daily basis up to 6hours a day. It’s a great tool for what I use it for but it’s starting to show wear and tear after 18 months. Always used with 5amp battery. What do you suggest I upgrade to??
Would be neet to see Philly Fixed or man caver tools take the Dcf840 and mod them with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils to compare against the Dcf850s @Torque Test Channel
i use my driver as a wrench all the time - i bought a Fujiya 512-21-BG to break lugnuts loose on my Altima. otherwise, i use a 1/4" shank to 1/2" hogring if i need to work on brakes or axle nuts. i've been eyeing a mid-torque but i haven't had the need yet. btw, it would be interesting if you can test if welding on a socket to a hex shank to square adaptor would mitigate losses caused by using the adaptor
I was wondering that too for my little old Ryobi 1/4" driver
Possible to put 3/8 anvil on the new gen 3 m12 impact driver??
I just want to know about Torque NM Value. If I use impact wrench only for motorcycle but it's 100cc scooter(VF100 or VM100N) Is it suitable for 100cc scooter at least over 500NM or 800NM? Sometimes I need to repair or replace CVT belt or engine parts. Also I'm looking for cheapest one.
once we figure out axial flux motors cost at this size this category is going to be insane.
How does the dcf850 hybrid compre to the right angle impact wrenches in terms of depth?
Just found this. Think I'll be building a Gen 3 specifically for wheels on a racecar. Seems similar to the ThunderGun in that it spins up faster but doesn't have quite the same amount of torque. But wheels torqued to 100lbs should be no issue.
How do I make one or can I buy one would definitely come in handy with the line of work I do and I am looking currently for a half inch stubby
I would really like to see someone send you the flex impact driver moded to a half in.
3/8s could also be how much shorter the shaft off the anvil is. Same with Milwaukee... Seems to be way shorter shaft length to socket.
I feel like it's not unreasonable to attribute some of the 1/2"'s underdelivery to the alterations made to the metal housing to fit the anvil.
Can you do a test of clamping pressure of a bolt with copper antisieze on it vs one without so that we can finally see if the "30%" reduction in torque on a torque wrench true? Itd be nice if you used a torque wrench or torque stick to see the difference??
I'd like to see mods all around. Perhaps built in battery changes. Dewalt that can take m18s or vise versa, without the chunky adapter.
why?Batteries are batteries no matter the brand on the outside.
what amperage M18 battery is being used on the Fuel?
Can you please check for the new craftsman 1/2 high range impact wrench RP, I'm curious if like his mid torque brother, it will be as strong as the 2nd to last gen of dewalt.
Not out yet :(
I do like the 3/8 dewalt mod, strictly for size, it has enough power for what I'd use it for.
i did that exact mod and used it to change the brakes/wheel bearings on my car. plenty of power for most things, but most importantly it fits where i need it to.
Awesome 👏
Is the cobalt a rebranded pro stormer?
By any chance, would you be able to test out the new Kobalt 1/2 impact wrench against the new mid torque Dewalt?
Are you going to update the M12 BCS scores with the new 5.0 HO batteries?
How about extensions? Are we losing power from those like adapters? If so, does it compound by length?
We've done it!
@@TorqueTestChannel you've done what? A video on this?
@@djaa7 Yes on extensions and one on adapters
@@TorqueTestChannel i tried looking for it. You have too many to scroll thru. Post link bro
can you try and convert this to a square drive Parkside PDSSA 20-Li A1 it has amazing power and rpm just as a driver i wonder how would it compare as a wrench
I’ve been waiting for my local hd to gen the gen 4 driver in as tool only so I could get one. I was gonna swap my gen 3 but guess I’ll do it to the gen 4
That Kobalt was a beast!
I’m back here 2 years later and came across a cheap 2953 impact driver. But watching this video, the numbers don’t seem to be worth the mod when compared to the actual impact wrenches (M18 or M12)? Or am I misinterpreting the usage of such a modded tool?
Can this mods also include 1/4 hex slot?
I'll take the Dewalt one in a red brand version. With more torque of course. Perfect stubby. Super small, lots of torque. Maybe they should collab...
IDK. That's why I like the DeWalt. I don't trust high torque on small heads for longevity. There are many things I want around 100ftlb a torque for, and I love that I can pick up a DeWalt stubby, nail it on without adjustments or fuss and know I'm close without fear of snapping bolts. When I need more beans, I move up. IDK, that just seems logical to me.
@@crforfreedom7407 Milwaukee fan boys don't care about anything except peak torque. Ergonomics, battery life, cost, longevity etc mean nothing to them. 100ft lb in an ultra compact impact is extremely useful.
I only want milwaukee simply because I already committed to the batteries. Most the time I buy Mastercraft or whatever from Canadian tire. Most the time it's just whatever works within reason but I just like the look of the Dewalt stubby as a wrench, it's a good look lol
@@hellpier4154 I've used DeWalt cordless products mostly commercially since 1996. They've taken some serious abuse from me and never gave up. I can only think of one that quit before the swap for an upgrade, and I don't follow trends. I keep most of mine 10+ years or more.
@@SpeedDemon88X A lot of guys like those cordless ratchets, and they're only around 30-40ftlb! It's nice having a tool for the right range of fasteners. I like Milwaukee for 12v. I've been DeWalt since 1996 and they've taken some real abuse from me (I've got a bad temper! Things get thrown!!). They just don't stop running. Not in my experience anyway.
Where is the video of the gen 4 anvil conversion?