This is interesting tbh, when TTC did a measurement on these they found almost no extra output in form of torque, but it seems like the real world speed is a noticable difference. Makes me wanna see if someone did testing on voltage sag yet
@@TinkerWithTools I cant talk for everyone else but personally i follow diffferent channels for different reasons. I think its a good thing you dont all do the same thing, gives different perspectives on things :)
Great video! Glad to see a realistic comparison of these batteries, I'm sick of seeing how fast it can drive a 12 inch lag and other bs screw sizes that all these other videos show, I use 3 inch and 3.5 inch deck screws all day long and wanted to see how to did with the new batteries. I'll definitely be picking up at least a few of the new HO batteries now that I've seen this.
Hey buddy. I just recently bought an m12 rover light. I had a regular 4.0 battery on it but also recently purchased a high output 2.5 and 5.0. I haven't seen any videos that compare the 6.0 to the 5.0 HO or the 3.0 vs 2.5 HO. Could you do a video comparing them in duration? Thank you
the older xc 6.0 uses unreliable Samsung 30Q cells known to fail the newer version of xc 6.0 uses Sony VTC 6 which much better cells xc 4.0 most of them are using Samsung 25R very reliable XC 5.0 uses samsung 25T for higher discharge rate 25amp
@@jadedoroja p28b is great, just a smidge weaker than 20s but much higher capacity, would be a great choice yeah. P28a are a bit weaker but still very solid.
So glad to see this video… Rarely anyone has made a good video like this, so thank you! Personally I LOVE the 2.5 HO on my high speed ratchet and my impact driver. Also amazing for my die grinder!
Appreciate the video… those batteries have been staring a hole through me every time I go in Home Depot. I will probably get some 2.5’s because I like the smaller batteries in my impacts. I have plenty of 6’s so I may hold of on the 5’s.
Isn't the whole purpose of using an m12 impact driver is the small size and keeping weight down. Kinda defeats the purpose when you use an xc battery. The cp ho battery is the way to go
With smaller tools like these, I’m more concerned about runtime over power gains. For myself, smaller tools for “lighter” tasks. That’s just me though.
They switched to a different cell chemistry actually. We’ll see more of those in-place upgrades, since cell manufacturers are retooling their lines, and that triggers it for everyone.
Ive just got yesterday the 5ah and yes i see a clear difference between the previously 4ah i was using in my vacumm stubby gen 3 hammer and impact jigsaw
cool vid on the new m12 high output batteries i just got 5.0 4 my m12 wet/dry vac i have xc 4.0's but the power with them dies fast so this new 5.0 is great 4 the vac do the power it has 2it
I was in my home Depot today and they had a 3/8" stubby impact with a 5.0 high output battery, charger and bag for $169 clearance. Hell yes I scooped it up. But I foolishly ran the battery before charging it (it says not to do that in the paperwork).. I wonder if I messed up my battery? Great video as usual
I think the more power hungry tools may make a difference. Every tool you tried arnt power hungry tools. Try the circular saw. Try the sawzalls. Maybe the m12 hatchet or cutoff tool. Things that seem to struggle with standard batteries would be where I think you may see a difference. But idk.
I would expect to see measurable gains after several iterations when battery heat issues rear their ugly heads. There is just so much ignorance out there about batteries, their capacities, drain rates, chemistry, and frankly which to use where. The 6.0 is great pack, but in my experience, the 4.0 has more guts, which, if you understand HOW they get 6ah in those cells, makes sense. I look at cells like a roll of toilet paper with electrolyte between the plies. Higher capacity means a longer roll. But the total roll diameter is limited to 18mm for 18650s. So to get more length of roll, you need to make the plies thinner. Generally speaking, in both batteries and toilet paper, thinner is more fragile. But that roll of thick high end TP is much more durable and can stand up to the nastiest dookie. It's a balance. I DON'T recommend using 6.0s for high drain tools simply due to my experience. Every Milwaukee battery issue I've had, be it total red green blinking failure or not charging to full capacity, has happened to packs with the 3ah cells. That hurts when they are 12ah packs! The others have thus far been bullet proof and perform at or near what they did when new. So, I use my 6.0s on low drain tasks where high capacity is a big bonus. Fans, lights, long drilling sessions in light material, the charger/power supply for phone charging, etc. Basically stuff you don't see power gains when going from a CP to an XC. I would like to see Milwaukee add a "Storage Charge/Discharge" feature to their chargers where it charges or discharges them to 40 or 50 percent, which is supposedly how to get the maximum life out of them. Then you just charge them up to full on days you use them. It's supposed to be a no-no to store Li-Ion batteries fully charged. Adding this feature could be a big bonus and if you already have them full, stick it the charger and hit the "Storage" button and it should DISCHARGE the pack down to that sweet spot for long term storage. I am my own worst enemy as I tend to keep ALL of my batteries fully charged. This would be a big help, as I have over a hundred M18 and M12 packs and the ones with 3ah cells all started failing to fully charge over a few months, after 3 years(the warranty period) of great service, but intermittent use, since I have so many of them.
Tinker With Tools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 💪 I somehow missed this video? Interesting, but I am confused if You meant the 5.0 cutting out, vs the 6.0? It was weird how the 5.0 had some long times? Juss curious. The XC 4.0 flat bottom batteries are a little gem. They hold a charge forever, and one is always in the M12 inflator, in the vehicle. I have both the CP3.0 and XC 3.0. XC 3.0 is in bag also, with the inflator. I have had good luck with all three batteries, and the CP 3.0 has noticeable effects on speed and power in say an impact or drill, and offers size advantage. I’ve recently started using the HO 2.5, and it seems to do well. Have not had a chance to use the 5.0 yet, and which has brought me to this video! Anyone have any input on the M12 Stubby Impact wrench? Thinking of getting it? I have heard and read a lot of good things on it, but wonder about the ergos? Sometimes things can be made too small, and then cause problems with usability? Apprctanate it! 👍💪✌🇺🇸😊
Ill be honest, this video was a while ago and I'll have to refresh my memory on it. If I remember correctly, the 2.5 is a noticeable improvement over the 2 but that I didn't see as much benefit on the 5 vs the 4. I'll have to go back and watch it and let you know if i have anything else to add.
The 5.0 hold on better at lower charge. I notice it in my m12 vacuum the most. You will hear the 4.0 slow down a bit under half, the 5.0 need to be well under a quarter before the tool really starts to give
I have two 2.5 HO and a 5.0 HO and when I have to use the 2.5 on the vacuum, it'll get so hot the vacuum will shut off if I run it too long at once. The 5.0 dissipates heat a lot better ( which makes sense considering how much bigger it is)
I lately bought the 3404 as a bare tool, I needed a battery and didn't know which one I should buy, I bought the 4.0 Ah having in mind 2 factors: enough power + reduced weight in comparison to 6.0 and thinking the HO 2.5 can not do better than the 4.0 and asking myself if the 5.0 HO is worth the extra money. - your test here answered my questions and confirmed my thoughts Thank you for your efforts 👍🫡 - would be interesting to know how they perform in drilling into concrete with this same tool. small feedback: the music is a bit annoying
@@TinkerWithTools I've got 4x 1.5 cp, 1x3.0 xc and 2x 4.0 xc. My 1.5's are old and tired, the 2.0's don't look like enough of a step up. I like the "CP" size for heated vest and tight jobs, maybe try a 2.5 or a 3.0...... I appreciate your "real-world" tests.
What are your thoughts on the XC 3.0? I snagged a pair for $60 but it seems like many ppl prefer 4 or 6ah for the XC sizing. Should I return it or use it? I utilize the driver, drill, ratchet and stubby impact
I’ve never owned the xc3.0. So I can really venture a guess on how it would perform. I will say it’s better than running 2s but on really demanding stuff my testing has shown time and time again that bigger batteries help with bigger tasks. But at that price I would have bought them as well so nice score.
@@TinkerWithTools thanks. I have one XC 4.0 and one XC 6.0 and my tools aren’t the most power hungry, except I’ve noticed that the impact driver can drain my CP 2.0 pretty fast for some moderate work. Looks like I may keep them! I don’t mind the size but I was considering how much value I’d gotten for the price I paid for the two XC 3.0.
I used to own a XC 3.0 battery and still keep a CP 3.0. Both would have about the same runtime but the XC would have better output. It may have something to do with having more cells than the CP, but the tradeoff is more weight and bigger. Personally I'd keep them, they are great batteries for most uses and their output is almost on par with the 4.0. The only tool I thought it fell short was the cutoff tool because that's a bit power hungry. I don't have the circ saw but I think that would also drain it quickly.
@@engineer_alv thanks for sharing your experience. A lot of videos on the m12 skip over the xc 3.0 batteries so I’m glad to hear they are good batteries to hold onto!
I liked the CP 2.5 and I may get a couple ones next year if they go on sale. I like how they are noticeably better output than the CP 2.0 and presumably the 3.0 as well, pretty much the same output as a 4.0 but half the size. I'm not sold on the 5.0, though. Not when the 4.0 and 6.0 can be had for cheap and there's not really anything that sets it apart despite the newer cells.
Yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with getting the 5.0, it just didn't feel like a clear cut advantage on these tools. Someone else pointed out that might see gains on more power hungry tools but the 2.5 was a winner for me.
It’s weird to see the XC4.0 be noticeably better in one of your tests. Common accepted bro-isms state that higher aH usually provides better performance. Being both high output and 5ah, the 4ah should never beat the 5.0. I’d like to see averages to rule out human bias/error.
The app had them advertised at $150 for the 5&2.5 combo pack but showed them out of stock at my local store. I went in looking for something else and found the 2 pack on sale for $99. I grabbed the last 2.
@@Volksoner619 don't know where you found those 2 pack never see the new high output sold in pack The only cheap pack that i am aware are the old 3.0xc ie not worth the money the 4.0xc pack is a better deal
This is interesting tbh, when TTC did a measurement on these they found almost no extra output in form of torque, but it seems like the real world speed is a noticable difference. Makes me wanna see if someone did testing on voltage sag yet
The 2.5 feels peppier than the 2 for sure. I’m not set up to do stuff like that right now but maybe in the future.
@@TinkerWithTools I cant talk for everyone else but personally i follow diffferent channels for different reasons. I think its a good thing you dont all do the same thing, gives different perspectives on things :)
If you haven't seen it the HO makes a massive difference in the TTC tests on the new stubby impact wrench
@@j.christ8786 Yeah it seems alot have happened since then
Great video! Glad to see a realistic comparison of these batteries, I'm sick of seeing how fast it can drive a 12 inch lag and other bs screw sizes that all these other videos show, I use 3 inch and 3.5 inch deck screws all day long and wanted to see how to did with the new batteries. I'll definitely be picking up at least a few of the new HO batteries now that I've seen this.
I'd love to see how many 3.5 inch deck screws each battery could drive before they die, runtime is not a subject anyone on youtube has shown yet
I am planning on doing run time testing as some point. Just don’t know when yet.
interesting, looks like the XC 4.0 is a good battery for whatever reason, maybe the cell type, or less voltage sag. 🤷♂️
Yeah. The 5 isn’t a bad battery I just didn’t see anything that really separates it.
Hey buddy. I just recently bought an m12 rover light. I had a regular 4.0 battery on it but also recently purchased a high output 2.5 and 5.0. I haven't seen any videos that compare the 6.0 to the 5.0 HO or the 3.0 vs 2.5 HO. Could you do a video comparing them in duration? Thank you
I don’t have a 3 but I’ll see what I can do with other batteries.
@@TinkerWithTools thank you very much sir
Have you tested the ones you have yourself? I'm thinking of buying that light for work.
the older xc 6.0 uses unreliable Samsung 30Q cells known to fail
the newer version of xc 6.0 uses Sony VTC 6 which much better cells
xc 4.0 most of them are using Samsung 25R very reliable
XC 5.0 uses samsung 25T for higher discharge rate 25amp
I bought mine to look 25% cooler. 😎
😂 love it!
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Lol. 😂
Too bad they didn't use 20S samsung cells, they are even better and the most powerful 18650 cells.
Molicel p28a i think is better. Higher capacity and current output.
@@jadedoroja p28b is great, just a smidge weaker than 20s but much higher capacity, would be a great choice yeah. P28a are a bit weaker but still very solid.
So glad to see this video… Rarely anyone has made a good video like this, so thank you! Personally I LOVE the 2.5 HO on my high speed ratchet and my impact driver. Also amazing for my die grinder!
Thanks. Glad it was helpful!
Try the 5.0 HO on your die grinder. Your wrist and hand will literally hurt from the power.
Me too
Appreciate the video… those batteries have been staring a hole through me every time I go in Home Depot.
I will probably get some 2.5’s because I like the smaller batteries in my impacts. I have plenty of 6’s so I may hold of on the 5’s.
Yeah I am not mad I have the 5 but the 2.5 seemed better to me.
Turn the music OFF you don't need it it's annoying
Looking forward to see the Dewalt 8Ah PP vs PS
Isn't the whole purpose of using an m12 impact driver is the small size and keeping weight down. Kinda defeats the purpose when you use an xc battery. The cp ho battery is the way to go
I like the 2.5 HO for sure but I don't mind the larger XC style batteries either.
With smaller tools like these, I’m more concerned about runtime over power gains. For myself, smaller tools for “lighter” tasks. That’s just me though.
I like running the 2.5 ah for those reasons. It keeps it nice and small.
6ah battery os night and day power wise compated to the 2 and 3ah etc
Great video. You helped me to hold off on these new batteries. Mahalo
Glad it helped.
No extra no bigger cells
But they Changed the Cell inside 😚
They switched to a different cell chemistry actually. We’ll see more of those in-place upgrades, since cell manufacturers are retooling their lines, and that triggers it for everyone.
Ive just got yesterday the 5ah and yes i see a clear difference between the previously 4ah i was using in my vacumm stubby gen 3 hammer and impact jigsaw
Good info.
The 5.0 makes the impact drivers tip over. Poor case design. Just buy the regular 3.0 and the 6.0 Milwaukee is just charging out the nose.
Biggest thing I noticed from my new 5.0 and slightly older 6.0 is how much longer the 5.0 last in my M12 leaf blower.
cool vid on the new m12 high output batteries i just got 5.0 4 my m12 wet/dry vac i have xc 4.0's but the power with them dies fast so this new 5.0 is great 4 the vac do the power it has 2it
I was in my home Depot today and they had a 3/8" stubby impact with a 5.0 high output battery, charger and bag for $169 clearance. Hell yes I scooped it up. But I foolishly ran the battery before charging it (it says not to do that in the paperwork).. I wonder if I messed up my battery? Great video as usual
I don't usually run them a lot before the charge but especially on a new tool I will likely do something with it before charging it.
It’s fine. Charge it up and as good as new.
I think the more power hungry tools may make a difference. Every tool you tried arnt power hungry tools. Try the circular saw. Try the sawzalls. Maybe the m12 hatchet or cutoff tool. Things that seem to struggle with standard batteries would be where I think you may see a difference. But idk.
the cutoff tool. My favorite battery is the CP 3.0 but it won't keep up with that tool.
I would argue that the hammer drill is a power hungry tool with those spaddle bits
@@ethanbattermann7123 No, the motor in the tool just can't use the extra current.
Great test and video!
Glad you liked it!
I would expect to see measurable gains after several iterations when battery heat issues rear their ugly heads. There is just so much ignorance out there about batteries, their capacities, drain rates, chemistry, and frankly which to use where. The 6.0 is great pack, but in my experience, the 4.0 has more guts, which, if you understand HOW they get 6ah in those cells, makes sense.
I look at cells like a roll of toilet paper with electrolyte between the plies. Higher capacity means a longer roll. But the total roll diameter is limited to 18mm for 18650s. So to get more length of roll, you need to make the plies thinner. Generally speaking, in both batteries and toilet paper, thinner is more fragile. But that roll of thick high end TP is much more durable and can stand up to the nastiest dookie. It's a balance. I DON'T recommend using 6.0s for high drain tools simply due to my experience.
Every Milwaukee battery issue I've had, be it total red green blinking failure or not charging to full capacity, has happened to packs with the 3ah cells. That hurts when they are 12ah packs! The others have thus far been bullet proof and perform at or near what they did when new. So, I use my 6.0s on low drain tasks where high capacity is a big bonus. Fans, lights, long drilling sessions in light material, the charger/power supply for phone charging, etc. Basically stuff you don't see power gains when going from a CP to an XC.
I would like to see Milwaukee add a "Storage Charge/Discharge" feature to their chargers where it charges or discharges them to 40 or 50 percent, which is supposedly how to get the maximum life out of them. Then you just charge them up to full on days you use them. It's supposed to be a no-no to store Li-Ion batteries fully charged. Adding this feature could be a big bonus and if you already have them full, stick it the charger and hit the "Storage" button and it should DISCHARGE the pack down to that sweet spot for long term storage. I am my own worst enemy as I tend to keep ALL of my batteries fully charged. This would be a big help, as I have over a hundred M18 and M12 packs and the ones with 3ah cells all started failing to fully charge over a few months, after 3 years(the warranty period) of great service, but intermittent use, since I have so many of them.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Circular saw and recip saw would show better difference
Thanks man!
Tinker With Tools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 💪
I somehow missed this video? Interesting, but I am confused if You meant the 5.0 cutting out, vs the 6.0? It was weird how the 5.0 had some long times? Juss curious.
The XC 4.0 flat bottom batteries are a little gem. They hold a charge forever, and one is always in the M12 inflator, in the vehicle. I have both the CP3.0 and XC 3.0. XC 3.0 is in bag also, with the inflator. I have had good luck with all three batteries, and the CP 3.0 has noticeable effects on speed and power in say an impact or drill, and offers size advantage. I’ve recently started using the HO 2.5, and it seems to do well. Have not had a chance to use the 5.0 yet, and which has brought me to this video!
Anyone have any input on the M12 Stubby Impact wrench? Thinking of getting it? I have heard and read a lot of good things on it, but wonder about the ergos? Sometimes things can be made too small, and then cause problems with usability? Apprctanate it! 👍💪✌🇺🇸😊
Ill be honest, this video was a while ago and I'll have to refresh my memory on it. If I remember correctly, the 2.5 is a noticeable improvement over the 2 but that I didn't see as much benefit on the 5 vs the 4. I'll have to go back and watch it and let you know if i have anything else to add.
@@TinkerWithTools AWESOME! Thanks! 👍
The 5.0 hold on better at lower charge. I notice it in my m12 vacuum the most. You will hear the 4.0 slow down a bit under half, the 5.0 need to be well under a quarter before the tool really starts to give
I have two 2.5 HO and a 5.0 HO and when I have to use the 2.5 on the vacuum, it'll get so hot the vacuum will shut off if I run it too long at once. The 5.0 dissipates heat a lot better ( which makes sense considering how much bigger it is)
I’d like to see that battery on the M12 Surge, any difference?
I'll do a short in the coming day or two to show this. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Sometimes I wonder how many amps those little motors pull.
I lately bought the 3404 as a bare tool, I needed a battery and didn't know which one I should buy, I bought the 4.0 Ah having in mind 2 factors: enough power + reduced weight in comparison to 6.0 and thinking the HO 2.5 can not do better than the 4.0 and asking myself if the 5.0 HO is worth the extra money.
- your test here answered my questions and confirmed my thoughts
Thank you for your efforts 👍🫡
- would be interesting to know how they perform in drilling into concrete with this same tool.
small feedback: the music is a bit annoying
In more recent videos there hasn’t been as much music. It’s all an evolution of finding what works so I appreciate the feedback.
@@TinkerWithTools thank for your reaction and info
wish you all best 🫡
Rover light runtime between 4,5,6 Ah batteries
I’ll see what I can do.
Milwaukee also has a CP 3.0 for m12, I wonder if its any better than the 2.0 in terms of power not runtime?
I’ve never owned one. They don’t care them in stores near me and don’t run promos with the so I have always just ended up with XC 4.0
@@TinkerWithTools I've got 4x 1.5 cp, 1x3.0 xc and 2x 4.0 xc.
My 1.5's are old and tired, the 2.0's don't look like enough of a step up. I like the "CP" size for heated vest and tight jobs, maybe try a 2.5 or a 3.0......
I appreciate your "real-world" tests.
No they have about the same power. I’ve at least have never noticed a difference.
The 2.5 and 5ah are clerancing out for $99 now
That’s a great deal!
4.0 seems the best bang for buck
What calls are they using? Open it let's see!
I don’t plan on opening them up but others have done it on UA-cam. Samsung 25s cells is the video I watched.
What are your thoughts on the XC 3.0? I snagged a pair for $60 but it seems like many ppl prefer 4 or 6ah for the XC sizing. Should I return it or use it? I utilize the driver, drill, ratchet and stubby impact
I’ve never owned the xc3.0. So I can really venture a guess on how it would perform. I will say it’s better than running 2s but on really demanding stuff my testing has shown time and time again that bigger batteries help with bigger tasks. But at that price I would have bought them as well so nice score.
@@TinkerWithTools thanks. I have one XC 4.0 and one XC 6.0 and my tools aren’t the most power hungry, except I’ve noticed that the impact driver can drain my CP 2.0 pretty fast for some moderate work. Looks like I may keep them! I don’t mind the size but I was considering how much value I’d gotten for the price I paid for the two XC 3.0.
I used to own a XC 3.0 battery and still keep a CP 3.0.
Both would have about the same runtime but the XC would have better output. It may have something to do with having more cells than the CP, but the tradeoff is more weight and bigger.
Personally I'd keep them, they are great batteries for most uses and their output is almost on par with the 4.0.
The only tool I thought it fell short was the cutoff tool because that's a bit power hungry. I don't have the circ saw but I think that would also drain it quickly.
@@engineer_alv thanks for sharing your experience. A lot of videos on the m12 skip over the xc 3.0 batteries so I’m glad to hear they are good batteries to hold onto!
I liked the CP 2.5 and I may get a couple ones next year if they go on sale. I like how they are noticeably better output than the CP 2.0 and presumably the 3.0 as well, pretty much the same output as a 4.0 but half the size.
I'm not sold on the 5.0, though. Not when the 4.0 and 6.0 can be had for cheap and there's not really anything that sets it apart despite the newer cells.
Yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with getting the 5.0, it just didn't feel like a clear cut advantage on these tools. Someone else pointed out that might see gains on more power hungry tools but the 2.5 was a winner for me.
The 5.0 is very good on something like the m12 hatchet
It’s weird to see the XC4.0 be noticeably better in one of your tests. Common accepted bro-isms state that higher aH usually provides better performance. Being both high output and 5ah, the 4ah should never beat the 5.0. I’d like to see averages to rule out human bias/error.
If i ever revisit the topic I’ll take that into consideration. Thanks for watching.
They are absolutely worth the $ they are the same exact price as the old 6a battery
You can buy a 5a for 100$ Canadian the retail price is 159$
The app had them advertised at $150 for the 5&2.5 combo pack but showed them out of stock at my local store. I went in looking for something else and found the 2 pack on sale for $99. I grabbed the last 2.
@@Volksoner619 don't know where you found those 2 pack never see the new high output sold in pack
The only cheap pack that i am aware are the old 3.0xc ie not worth the money the 4.0xc pack is a better deal