Focus ST Rear Motor Mount Review...Worth it?
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2016
- An honest review on the Mountune roll restrictor or rear motor mount. I got this installed at Ford and have had no issues so far. But is it worth it? Watch to find out!
I bought it from Mountune.com - Авто та транспорт
Yoh man I am from Namibia, Africa and I just dig your videos bro. I have a 16 Focus ST and I am thinking of getting the Cobb RMM and Turbosmart BOV. When you long distances on the highway, 500 to 750 miles, does the RMM give off so much vibration that it becomes annoying?
Also if you overtighten the screws (without a torque wrench) will do vibration become unbearable?
Would love to hear back from you man, seriously loving the ST but I wanna make it better. Not worse.
Sorry for the delayed response and thanks for commenting! I haven't spoke to anyone from Africa yet! When I am on long trips the upgraded RMM does not give off any other vibrations over stock. It's more when you are at idle when it vibrates more. If you over tighten things vibration could be annoying but you have to give it time. I would say a good 2-3 weeks of driving before it breaks in. The real difference is when you have AC on at idle but I personally feel the benefit outweighs the downsides of this upgrade. Hope this helps!
Got my ST about a week ago and was looking through UA-cam for tips and ran across your videos and subscribed. Thanks for the quality content, very helpful and straightforward!
Been looking for a high quality ST vlogger, keep up the good content!
Thank you!
Look up Cameron Alford, has multiple builds, goes very in depth about just about everything
Julian Zimmerman fam...that was 3 years ago. Don't even have the car any more.
Ryan Love 😢
Just installed the roll restrictor on my 2018 Focus ST. I am so impressed and truly wish I had installed earlier. I do not get the hatchet and the shifting after the install........the entire car feels better. There is a very small amount of vibration when you first start out and I mean very little. Shifting does seem better. The big difference I notices was driving at speeds above 70 mph the car did not wander around on the road.........I thought I had an alignment problem but did not.............I highly recommend the Mountune roll restrictor! It took about an hour to install and most of that was gathering and putting up my tools.
thanks for the info just got my ST about a month ago now and I love it! Already got a Cobb exhaust sounds amazing and next is that rear mount!
Like your vids and your FoST. Installed the RMM and it made ton of difference. Getting Borla exhaust installed on the FoRS this weekend. Keep the good content coming dude.
That will be sweet! Thanks for the support! More videos to come...
I just got the COBB lower motor mount. Haven't installed it yet. Watching this to get an understanding of what it's gonna change.
Thanks for this. I was on the fence about the rrm but this review has me sold.
Glad it helped!!
I fitted the Mountune roll restrictor last month to my UK ST wagon and I have to say like what RGB says in his vid this is the single best upgrade to the ST bar none imo for handling improvement vs value spent. I have owned the 2012 st, 2015 st (facelift) now 2018 wagon ST. Whilst Ford did a good job improving the stock ST in 2015 from frankly I felt appalling 2012 version ( too much torque steer for me) this mod simply put allows you to gun it in 1st and 2nd. Those of you with an ST will know you have to half throttle, ride the clutch a bit to get a good getaway. With the mount fitted though wow...yes it will wheelspin a touch, but it now behaves itself so much more its a joy to drive fast (off public roads of course). I'm not so sure on the gearbox difference RGB references but then my wagon is only 500miles from new so my gearbox hasn't loosened up much. Under high revs though i can say with the mount fitted it does slot into gears with precision.
I have the mountune mp275 upgrade, if you have this mod you then must have the roll restrictor to really enjoy the upgrade imo. As far as NVH yes at idle is the only issue. In my case when idling around 800rpm the petrol wagon can feel like a diesel that's how i could describe it. But tbh the slight increase in noise and vibe makes you feel you are in a quick powerful car. Once the car is off and going there absolutely no difference in NVH at all from stock. Lastly bare in mind if you have the 'engine off at idle' whilst in traffic mod active which all STs now come with as standard, the amount of time you will notice the tick over NVH increase would again be reduced anyway.
Fitted mine tonight!! Will drive her tomorrow as it's wet outside anyway. 1.30 mins outside my house..love your vids mate.
Thank for the support! You are going to love the RMM. It also take a little while to break in maybe 2k miles
Your videos are awesome! I'm waiting for my Borla cat-back exhaust system in a few days and then I'm upgrading the RMM. Your review made my decision. Keep it up!
Thank your the support! and you will love the borla system with the mount.
I had to re-watch this review. I just ordered the Boomba RMM. It will be a nice addition to the Borla Exhaust.
btw, I don't even have the car yet, but have already ordered the FRPP exhaust!. Now debating about the RMM for a 2017-soon-to-be-bought FoST.
Great vids man, channel is developing nicely!
+Joel Gray thank you!
Great video just come back from the states to Australia with some goodies. can't wait to see how this goes on my 2017 st. Have the mountune upgrade from new obviously having a dramatic impact on power and torque steer.
I took out the COBB RMM and replaced it with a Stage 2 CPE RMM and I am so happy! The COBB one is definitely not the truth. Th Stage 2 provides such a clean and smooth shift, this is the way it should have been from jump. I bought this car with 17k miles and already had a COBB RMM. I was living a lie and I felt it every DAY! The first and second gear shifts were boo boo. Now with CPE Stage 2 RMM, I am driving perpetually satisfied everyday!
That’s awesome to hear
I've noticed the wheel hop taking off from first. I'm seriously considering this now!
If you’d got the rmm and exhaust installed separately you’d notice the rmm actually changes the sound of the car as well.
I have a 2013 ST3. Bought it from a Ford dealership in The Hague, The Netherlands.
The ST is a rare sight on Dutch roads - it's mostly GTI's over here.
The ST has a great chassis and wonderful engine.
Mine is still fitted with te original RMM. Which is way to soft!
After this video I'm going to get the Mountune MM.
So thank you for this video, it was really helpfull.
Glad to enjoyed it! It will be a great upgrade on you 13' ST. Thanks for the support!
So, I put in the Mountune motor mount and...I hated it!! Its horrible.
I took it off the next day - after a long drive over different sorts of roads. Way too much noise and vibrations in the cabin for my taste.
I now have the offical Ford Focus E MM, and that's much better.
You still get a little bit of wheelhop, but only if you floor it like a lunatic in 1st gear - which i never do.
I don't see how the folks at Mountune really consider there RMM as a quality product. I cant imagine they've put much R&D into it.
I'm now about to install a full resonated cat back exhaust from Scorpion under my ST. It will only a bit louder, but not too much.
Greetings.
Know what you mean about the Civic SI. I bought a new '06, the first of the current style.
The VTEC was a kick in the pants, but who can keep it at 6K for very long?
Love the power band on my '17 ST, It's always right there.
Going to do some minor mods. Thinking about the Mountune exhaust, not too raspy, a motor mount, a K&N filter and maybe a Mountune inlet pipe.
At one point viewing and commenting on your well-done videos, we talked about the order and importance of some of the mods offered by Ford, Mountune, and other aftermarket vendors; while rewatching this video, I thought I would pass along the mods I did in order of what I feel are the most important to least. As you know, I place safely and performance above eye-candy and mods which could be forgotten and the car would remain a fine vehicle right 'out-of-the-box' -- afterall, the ST is a superior product compared to many other vehicles in its class and performance. So here goes my list of what I have done and the order of importance on my 2017 ST.....
First off, I bought the ST1 version so I could use the cost of the ST2 or ST3, however, I made a deal with the dealer to have the front seats of my ST1 replaced with the Recaro leather and cloth racing version. I consider that not at the top of the mod chain, but important enough to make sure my ST1 came installed that way. To me the first mod had to be the limited slip differential which I installed within a week of purchase. It has proved to be the best mod for performance and safety -- I wouldn't want to return to the electronic version offered by Ford....the second mod I installed was a set of Mountune Sport springs -- another must have mod for performance and safety. The third mod I installed was the Mountune rear motor mount -- this enhanced mount is essential when mated with the mechanical differential and spring set....The fourth mod was the complete Ford Racing Performance Short Throw shift assembly (yes, the complete assembly).Along with the shifter, I replaced the rubber OEM rubber transmission bushings with a set of machined aluminum Replacement parts. Those two items improved the throws many times over. Next on the list was the Mountune air intake piping, plus a cloth/oiled air cleaner and a complete Mountune cat-back 3" exhaust to replace the marginal 2 1/2" tubing which Ford provided. The flow will be important down the line if I plan a larger inter cooler and set up a performance tune through Mountune and Cobb. The only eye-candy type mod was me removing the Focus branding from the fifth door and installing a Sto & Sho front license plate bracket. When I crossed the 1000 mile threshold, I replaced the oil with Mobile 1 synthetic (5W-30) and a high performance (in name at least) Mobile 1 oil filter.....that's about it right now. For future mods, I plan to buy a set of P -Zero summer tires to replace my winter all-seasons that came with the car and will be reinstalled come next winter. New brakes and pads to the Ford RS standard will be the next major upgrade along with a higher rated inter-cooler (most likely a Mountune to remain under factory warranty). Once these last two mods are installed, I will be giving the ST a custom tune working with Cobb and Mountune (I will explore a Stratified Mapping if my research leads me down that road........well, that's the path I' e chosen for my 2017 Ford ST-1; I'll keep you informed if that is to your liking, my friend. And keep up pumping out your videos -- they certainly provide a service to all levels of ST owners.........adios
Thanks for the input! Always appreciated.
I have the same car in STealth grey. It's so nice to drive and look at.
I agree!
That’s the best colour by far.
Yep! Mine too. I have the mountune 275 package and exhaust system. It's quiet for town and sounds perfect when you floor it. I have the sound symposer deleted. Lowering springs are next.
Did you notice any decrease in torque steer? If so, maybe you could also describe this in one of the next videos. Great videos with the ST lately, keep up the good work!
Haven't really thought about that yet but I will in one of the next videos.
I think this was your best non-HP performance upgrade that I've watched. You are spot-on with your analysis of the Mountune rear motor mount. This was the first upgrade I made to my new 2017 ST which I knew I would do from the day of delivery. After test driving the car, the upgrade was not just essential to me, but required for safety and handling. Again, good review.....
I just ordered the Quaife differential, another of my required safety and chassis non-HP upgrade that I feel is essential to the performance and handling qualities of the ST. I'll give you a verbal review once it's installed and I put 500+ miles on it. Following that upgrade, I'm going to install the Ford Performance complete short-throw shifter assembly. Sure, I could have just installed the short-shift arm assembly, but from experience in my track Trans-Am Corvette and other vehicles, the complete assembly, IMO, is the only way to go. For $200 more, it seems like a no-brainer to me.....
I'm going to email you about the exhaust system you installed. Now a low-pressure exhaust is fine, it isn't one of the upgrades very high on my list of things to add for non-HP performance versus safety and handling. Upgrading the brake system, perhaps a better spring package, and a bar change will follow the short-throw. I'm thinking the Ford tungsten/ceramic brake system (yeah, I know big $$$) is the way to go. If you've never driver behind ceramic brakes, we'll, all I can say is they will definitely put a big smile on your face when you ask them to 'perform'......
That's it from here, and keep up the good work ---- Jack
No way I am going to ceramic brakes but I appreciate your dedication. Interested to hear what you have to say about the differential because that is something this car is missing and needs. Appreciate your feedback!
I do have a $$ advantage because of Team owner discounts. Even though we run Chevy, we work and trade with the Ford guys all the time. I can't disclose the discounts, but they are very helpful, if you get my drift...I'll let you know about the differential once installed and given a decent workout. BTW, I ordered the upgraded brake system today, however, it'll be 6-9 weeks before I see it...adios
Question for you on this: for 2017 FoST, is the RMM still useful? I can't quite tell, because when I look at the aftermarket providers, they seem to indicate earlier year versions of the FoST. I'm about to get a 2017 FoST, and am wondering if Ford has improved the RMM with the newer iteration. Thanks for any info...
Kevin Swanson....after seeing the older motor mount after replacement, I don't believe Ford addressed the issue of a firmer upgrade. I do feel the standard RMM is fine for the models below the performance ST and RS, but in these models, the Mountune Motor Mount is important if the car is driven near its limit. For the amount of money invested, it should be an upgrade all ST/RS owners do. If you have more money to add in upgrades, I believe the LSD (limited slip differential) is the most important on a performance and safety level -- again, we are talking about driving the car near its limit. If you don't plan to run the car hard at any time, no upgrades are necessary, especially the eye-candy type. Hope this answers your question, however, improving your ST is always a pleasurable proscess.....Jack
Hey thanks Jack Sternquist
Every time Im looking to buy upgraded part this is my go to dude right here
+Reggie Soria appreciate it! I have more upgrades ordered just waiting on them to ship!!
i changed the motor mount and it really feel better but there is an annoying vibration on idle.
I don't know man for daily driving how I will keep this updated mount with those vibrations. It's a good upgrade if I don't get these vibrations while I am idling on the gear. Is there any mount out there without these vibrations without stock?
Just got my rmm installed at mountune and it's worth every penny. Hooks soooooo much better now and there's very little torque steer
Nice!
Just ordered my rear motor mount. Should be here in a week!
Really good info on this mod.
+confiGTR Thank you!
maybe they made a stiffer oem rmm for mine i have never had any issues with the engine tapping the firewall, wheel hop, or whatever this guy is saying about the "shifter".
Nice videos...what do you do as in work?
I'm curious if you have considered the Cobb short throw shifter plate and how that might interact and feel with the other mods you've installed. From what I've seen it's another relatively cheap and simple mod that can give you a nice bang for your buck.
I haven't considered it but I will look into it.
Great review, I have been considering the Electric Focus RMM, because it's factory part so it should have passed all OEM testing perform well, have good durability, and is cheaper because not as pretty as aftermarket mounts.
My ST came with that mount because it's a 16' and it is an improvement over the one on the 13' and 14' models. The Mountune one is even better.
RGBGFIVE Thanks for the info. Mine from early 2014 must be way softer than both then. Good to know before I get one.
Yea the electric one is cheap and will be an improvement and the mountune one would be a massive improvement since you have the 14' ST.
He's right on the money. Just put a Cobb version mount on, and there's a huge difference. Highly recommended.
I'm planning to upgrade my 2014 Ford Focus with numerous upgrades. Should I start my first upgrade with the rear motor mount before any other upgrade? Should I combine it with anything else as my first upgrade? I'm serious about taking the plunge on upgrades. "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." lol
Torque spec for the bolts? 2 places need to be tq tightened right?
I put the cob on my 2016 and at idle 800rpm or so there's so much vibration. Otherwise it's fine. Idle though it makes me wonder what's coming loose because of it.
thanks the info, just got my ST.
You got it!
First aggressive take off with the COBB mount the car hooked up and I thought I was going to rip the front tires off.
+SgtFives haha! I know, it's impressive how much of a difference it makes
Hey I do have a question.. I set up the "My Key" on the ST. For some reason I can't put it in Sport Mode now and when I try to change the settings the "My Key" option is no longer available in the settings. Any suggestions?
I like your videos, i will buy my ST soon and i think i´ll do the same mods as you did ;)
Glad you enjoy them! You will love the ST!
Hi. I've just istalled a vibra technics engine mount on my 2016 Focus RS mk3 and it's running ok in terms of vibrations but when i turn on the AC the whole hell breaks loose! The car shakes badly! Is this your case or is my climate control that's not working propperly? I've noticed a little more vibration with AC on when running stock engine mount, but with this mount is nasty stuff at idle!
love ur vidoes mate! gives me somthing to do until myn comes still on the boat to australia :( COME ON!
haha I'll call the boat driver and make sure yours is the first off. Appreciate the support!
Do you regret not getting a more aggressive RMM? I have the Mountune part as well and almost feel like maybe we played it safe?
No I really like the mount but the cp2 Mount is better. The mount we have is a great upgrade over the stock mount on the 15’ and up focus ST and I really haven’t had any second thoughts on it
Do vibrations increase with the AC on at idle? Seems to be very minor NVH added to the car. I bet it'll decrease even more as it breaks in. Thanks!
Now that it is broken in, I notice almost no vibration. Another thing to note is I almost never have the AC on so that helps as well. When AC is on the vibration is noticeable but still not a crazy thing that bothers me
RGBGFIVE hey man been watching your videos for a long time how long did it take you to break the rmm in
how much difference or of use would the rear motor mount be on an automatic SEL? definitely getting wheel hop in tight hairpins out here in asheville mountains
I am not sure how much that would change it. Do you have an automatic or
Manual transmission?
What did the dealership charge you for the install if I might ask? I will be getting a RMM soon. Love your channel btw.
+Brandon Baughman they have it set as something that will take 2 hours to install and charged $65/hr. Thanks for the support I have put a lot of work in over the past year and have big plans for the future !
Brandon, did you take it in to get installed? It's really not that difficult to install. If you did take it in, how much did you end up spending?
The hell?!?!? $65/hr is a god sent dealership! the one where i live charges $115/hr and they will take all the time in the world to do it and it might not even get done correctly. Maybe this rmm install is best done in my friends garage with them.
I believe in one of your other videos you said that Mountune parts do not void the warranty however do they need to be installed by ford or can you have it done elsewhere without voiding the warranty? I was wanting to add an inter cooler exhaust and motor mounts. Also any electric tuning will for sure void the warranty right?
Most Ford Dealerships will be able to do it or you can get it done at Mountune and obviously it will be covered there as well. I am sure there are other certified retailers but it would probably be best to ask Mountune who they would be near you. Also remember the only way the can void your warranty is if the issue is caused directly from the modification. Magnusson Moss Warranty Act: Code - Title 15 chapter 50 Section 2301-2312. The mods you are looking at rarely fail when installed correctly so you shouldn't have any issues. i am not sure what you mean about electric upgrades.
I mean like Cobb tuning as far as electronic upgrades. Thank you for the response! Love the video's.
Ohhh like an ECU upgrade. Yes that would void the warranty but again Mountune offers the MP275 package which is covered under warranty.
Yes every time I step on it wheel hop and looses power
Direct injection engines are more prone to random misfires at idle. No doubt that is part of the intermittent idle vibrations people experience with a stiffer rear motor mount. Nothing to be concerned about.
I love my Boomba RMM. Much better traction and shifting feel 1-2.
4:49 it is impossible for me to shift my '16 ST that fast. The shifter feels limited to a certain speed and you can't move it any faster. I wll definitely consider this mod.
Alex Taylor granny shifter
I can shift my 17 like that and it has 0 mods. It's all timing and coordination.
I’d also recommend a fswerks short shifter. I have mine at 40% shorter. Worlds different
@@RetroFoxZach lol yeah, idk if I'm just abusing mine but I shift way faster than this in my stock 18 lol
Yep I feel this. Sometimes when I go to push it into 3rd under load it won't let me. Was told the engine is "pulling" backwards a bit so I definitely think this RMM is what I'm going to do next
What kind of exhaust are you running? It sounds pretty great.
Ford Performance Sport Exhaust
you're probably just hearing the sound symposer. Can't really hear the exhaust inside the car with the windows rolled up.
Cheers bro good vid
from UK ;)
Thank you! Appreciate the support!
How much they charge u at the Ford Dealership? I just got my RMM in from Mountune.
They charged an hour of labor which I think was $68
When I put second gear my car wheel hop you think is the rmm ?
+David Maravilla yes. Upgrading rmm will eliminate that
Let's take a trip up to Sedona and come back down highway 87. It's like south mountain but for miles! And you can go as fast as you can because it's a highway in the middle of no where. What would a cop be doing up there 😂
question, does this rear engine mount effect the warranty ?
No not at all but again it has to be installed by a certified tech
I was considering the one from COBB
aint sure witch one is better?
Any ideas?
I can't speak for the cobb one however Mountune is a totally dedicated to Ford and does a lot of research before releasing a part in their racing team. Cobb covers several manufactures and I would say it isn't as well built.
Thanks. I was wondering the same thing on which one is of better quality.
Does this upgrade help the lower trim automatic focus?
Not worth it for that
@@Gjeebs what about the st oem part to use as a upgrade?
Why does everybody bang on about the Torque steer?
I don’t think it’s that bad. Ok it Wheel spins but mostly in the Wet or Below 5•C I find with Decent summer tyres it doesn’t spin , But I never dump the clutch at 2500 that’s just a recipie for wheel spin ins front wheel drive car.
Mark C probably because they're all redlining it in first gear
jackwgn
Ouch can’t redline it 😬
Torque steer is horrible on my 15. Every little bump pulls it all over the place, its honestly ridiculous. It has 15k miles but I think something is wrong because of how bad it is
How much did the dealership charge you to install it?
$67
if you guys REALLY care about NVH, and if you are going to tune your car, you can just raise the idle slightly and the vibration is gone.
Hey man....what tyres you rocking with?
Goodyear asymmetric 2’s that came on the car. I have a few videos reviewing them. I will also be getting a new set soon and will reveal them very soon
RGBGFIVE awesome, look forward to the video 👍. I'm getting hankook ventus v12 evo 2's fitted on the weekend....felt that are a solid all round choice for the driving conditions where I'm from. However....im starting think I should have went with Michelin pilot sport 4's.
How much did it cost to get installed? And does it void manufacturer warranty?
Jisu Helmer I was wondering about the warranty also, if it's installed at a Ford dealership and a Ford endorsed product/ Brand surely that there will be no issue ???
Does not void anything because Mountune is an approved aftermarket company by Ford. It should be std around the US but $130 to get it installed
That's correct it is under a 3 year warranty
RGBGFIVE awesome. I'm saving up to hopefully get an st in a few months. would you recommend buying the mountune RMM beforehand and getting it installed as soon as I pick it up?
I think you should drive it stock for a while. Get used to the car, see what you like and what you don't like and then go from there. The stock mount is very comfortable, the Mountune one is a little more aggressive as I explain in the video but I say enjoy it stock first so you have a baseline to go off of.
Well I wasn't sure I really needed the rmm until I watched this video. Now I just gotta get my wife to let me buy it.
haha put it on your Christmas list!
Hey dude, greetings from the UK! Your videos played a bit part in helping me decide whether or not to buy an ST - I ended up buying a used 2015 ST back in August, and I gave no regrets!
There is one thing that bugs me though, and that's the sloppy gear changes that you've talked about before. The transmission works fine, but I sometimes have to add a little extra force to get into gear smoothly (particularly into 4th), which is kinda annoying! Is this the same problem you were having with yours, and did changing the rear motor mount solve it? I found a thread on Reddit which seems to be about the same thing:
m.reddit.com/r/FocusST/comments/4b1udm/2016_st1_2nd_gear_problem/
What do you reckon?
I would say the rear motor mount solved it for sure. Makes the shifts a lot more firm and direct. I have a full video on how the motor mount feels. Thanks for the support and I'm happy you love you ST!
Does Ford offer a rear mount?
They might. I would check the ford performance site
Do you have any EC Tunes on yet?
With intake, exhaust and motor mount that should be your next step I think
Yea it might be
I can't believe how expensive the little computers are. The cobb one is like 500 dollars...
Karol Pietrzak Yea it really is crazy but a lot of research and time goes into developing that so they have to make a profit!
Subscribed,
Thank you!
I'm going to say that I think stock ford shifters are absolute shit. 08 Mustang GT... 4.10 gears, tune, TB, rear control arms... lots of fun... till you have to shift... Once the hurst shifter went in... that car was an absolute blast...
My 99 Miata with 200K miles on it is loads better than my new 2016 ST. Ordered bushings, will be ordering LMM next payday.
Bit late but thanks
Every other second? lmao.. so every 2 seconds
bulgaria
Pretty sure you are the first comment from Bulgaria! Thank you!
hatch in a log? wtf hahahaha