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London's SHORTEST LIVED railway station?

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  • Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
  • In this video Hugh tells the story of Heathrow Junction, which was a temporary terminus for the Heathrow Express that opened in January 1998 and closed barely 6 months later in June. Making it quite possibly one of the shortest lived railway stations in not just London but possibly the whole of the UK!
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  • @tcraigh1
    @tcraigh1 4 місяці тому +31

    That photo at 2:22, I took that! I used Heathrow Junction 3 times. I also have a ticket and a leaflet which both have the fastrain logo.

    • @RichardFelstead1949
      @RichardFelstead1949 4 місяці тому +5

      It would be nice if you were acknowledged in the video as the photo owner. I've reported a couple of YT videos which used my photos without permission and acknowledgement. These videos were removed.

    • @tcraigh1
      @tcraigh1 4 місяці тому +12

      @@RichardFelstead1949 I uploaded it to Wikipedia years ago and it is the official Wikipedia photo for the station and therefore is in the public domain.

  • @tonyskinner1643
    @tonyskinner1643 4 місяці тому +28

    Done that, yes it isnt easy to tell now exactly where it was, but the busses ran in a loop which included a reserved lane on the road marked in red for busses only on the right hand side of the carriageway into the airport.

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 4 місяці тому +9

    The shortest lived railway station honour goes to Griffth's Crossing in 1969 which opened and closed on the same day

  • @jkemplen
    @jkemplen 4 місяці тому +3

    The temporary interchange at Heathrow Junction was vastly superior to most permanent interchanges. At Paddington, train carriages were labelled up for individual airport terminals, and at Heathrow Junction the bus for each terminal was waiting immediately opposite the appropriate carriage.

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 4 місяці тому +14

    Jago Hazzard MIGHT know of a shorter lived (passenger) railway station - see recent London Terminals vid as something pre Bricklayers Arms comes to mind on the London and Greenwhich

  • @quintuscrinis8032
    @quintuscrinis8032 4 місяці тому +11

    The SL9 is a rebrand of one of the older routes from Heathrow, via Hayes (and Harlington) to Harrow so passes quite a few key commuter centres for the airport workers and with a lot of long-etablished customers.
    The express version has only been around for a few years though.

  • @oliverstemp9132
    @oliverstemp9132 4 місяці тому +12

    I’m guessing the delay wasn’t as long as they thought it was. Those 332s looked fantastic with their black front ends.

    • @chrisbailiss7309
      @chrisbailiss7309 4 місяці тому +5

      Or the temporary station that they thought would be quick to build took almost as long to build as the main station

  • @colinlees3820
    @colinlees3820 4 місяці тому +3

    There was a station called Workington North that was only open for 6 months in 2009-10. It was constructed in 6 days and was to allow passengers to cross the River Derwent without using the 30 mile road diversion after the road bridges were destroyed by flooding.

  • @luket2419
    @luket2419 4 місяці тому +4

    The ‘warehouses’ are actually data centres (I used to work there) which is why it is so secure. But it will still be public if you do not pass any gates.

  • @Sim0nTrains
    @Sim0nTrains 4 місяці тому +15

    Nice video enjoy the flight of the Elizabeth Line

  • @katashworth41
    @katashworth41 4 місяці тому +2

    The opening date makes me quite happy as that was the 18th birthday of my favourite F1 driver ever (Jenson Button). Combining my interests :)

  • @rayannelkachtoul8226
    @rayannelkachtoul8226 4 місяці тому +2

    Brilliant history video! I live in the area, and you can walk through prologis park, it’s only restricted for cars. Gone on many walks through that area. A bus actually terminates on the other side of that industrial park. The U4

  • @purplesTrainsUK
    @purplesTrainsUK 4 місяці тому +15

    always great when you upload!

  • @wolf2965
    @wolf2965 4 місяці тому +6

    05:05 The longest one stop journey on a bus is likely the Waterloo Station to Norwood Road on SL6 (formerly X68)... unless another one on the Superloop is even longer.

    • @quintuscrinis8032
      @quintuscrinis8032 4 місяці тому +4

      Hatton Cross to Kingston is quite a long run as well on yhe old X26 (now superloop) between Heathrow and Croydon. But they must be very close.

  • @stryk3r360
    @stryk3r360 4 місяці тому +6

    those 332s are incredible looking

  • @TheScillonian3
    @TheScillonian3 4 місяці тому +3

    If you had taken the SL9 (formerly X140) to Hayes and Harlington station and caught the U4, it would take you into ProLogis park via the security gate.

  • @whyyoulidl
    @whyyoulidl 4 місяці тому +4

    Thx for taking us along Hugh; great coverage - SUBBED ☺

  • @apexqc04
    @apexqc04 4 місяці тому +2

    Nice little vid. If you were northern you'd have gone and nattered to the chap in the orange jacket to see if he knew anything.

  • @bostonrailfan2427
    @bostonrailfan2427 4 місяці тому +2

    you can at least make out the original alignment in the Google satellite image, and probably a crew office/signal box remnant at the sute but everything else was taken out…probably just concrete slabs on temporary pilings that were removed in hours alongside the rails

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 4 місяці тому +4

    I see that the platforms at Surrey Quays are being extended - would be nice to see what is happening there

  • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
    @LeeSmith-cf1vo 4 місяці тому +5

    Is it also possibly the shortest branch line? Looks like the end of platform is mere meters from from the "through" line (albeit the through route would have been closed at the time)

    • @rosemaryssealpup
      @rosemaryssealpup 4 місяці тому

      Coulsdon North terminal platforms might also contend for that title

  • @gonnabefree
    @gonnabefree 4 місяці тому +6

    Really wholesome video

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 4 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting to know how Heathrow Junction railway station was there before it was closed and everything had changed. But still very impressive stuff.

  • @paulwheeler4283
    @paulwheeler4283 4 місяці тому +1

    It's a shame there isn't of the original station site left but thank you for posting this video

  • @TacticalTeapot
    @TacticalTeapot 4 місяці тому +1

    Not in London but Trumpington Station (1922) was open for 5 days only, bringing people to the Royal Agricultural Show

  • @davidbull1914
    @davidbull1914 4 місяці тому +3

    It's not in London obviously but Workington North was pretty short lived. Also Meadowbank Stadium in Scotland. I'm sure there are others but I can't think of them!

  • @Welshy1717
    @Welshy1717 4 місяці тому +1

    Paddington to Heathrow adventure, smart modern train..... looks good.
    Piccadilly line reach the airport in 77, the year i was born.

  • @luisstransport
    @luisstransport 4 місяці тому +5

    Great video

  • @w00df0rd
    @w00df0rd 4 місяці тому

    Top work mate

  • @sglenny001
    @sglenny001 4 місяці тому +3

    I road on 332 today and honestly it felt more like how imgaine a Leeds Tube of the 1990s

    • @PhilSmith71
      @PhilSmith71 4 місяці тому +2

      All the 332s were scrapped. However there are 333s operated by Northern Ireland believe.

    • @quintuscrinis8032
      @quintuscrinis8032 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@PhilSmith71the 333s were still in use on the Airedale and Wharfdale lines when I was up that way in December.

    • @sglenny001
      @sglenny001 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PhilSmith71 I'm probably thinking of a class 333

  • @UKTAG
    @UKTAG 4 місяці тому +3

    Was this video recorded today? If so i could've seen it as I was Trainspotting for a little bit at Acton Mainline

  • @rodericfindlay4147
    @rodericfindlay4147 4 місяці тому +1

    Well done. Good video.

  • @piercelidseveraltime
    @piercelidseveraltime 4 місяці тому +2

    Hey mate your doing good , stick with it Im getting bored with jeffs mug so ive subbed 😂

  • @ttrjw
    @ttrjw 4 місяці тому +1

    The SL9 is a rebadged X140.

  • @mikehindson-evans159
    @mikehindson-evans159 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for the enthusiastic research. Wikipedia shows a geo-location of 51°30'11.9"N 0°26'56.8"W . I reckon that you were standing (in the west side of the tunnel) on the wrong (western) side given that the temporary station was clearly on the east side (trains left the GWML and pulled further left rather than entering the under-construction tunnel). Nevertheless, thanks for this history lesson

  • @EdgyNumber1
    @EdgyNumber1 11 днів тому

    I do wonder just how long Heathrow Express can last with the Lizzy line taking most of its customers.

  • @-MapEnthusiastjj4eu
    @-MapEnthusiastjj4eu 3 місяці тому

    I think the longest bus stop is between teddington and Hatton cross station on the SL7

  • @gregkiteos1936
    @gregkiteos1936 4 місяці тому +1

    Five months actually. Just 126 days.

  • @RubbishGimpy
    @RubbishGimpy 4 місяці тому +1

    Ray Mears of the train enthusiasm community.

  • @pesaxv
    @pesaxv 4 місяці тому +1

    SL9 used to be x140

    • @quintuscrinis8032
      @quintuscrinis8032 4 місяці тому +1

      And ironically the X140 might qualify as the shortest lived bus route in the country (at least under that number)

  • @andyhinds542
    @andyhinds542 3 місяці тому

    Isn't it strange to think that that model A380 is bigger than a lot of real aeroplanes.

  • @sxsuri
    @sxsuri 4 місяці тому +1

    0:11 sounds like dusseldorf bus sound(annoucement sound(

  • @fbiopenup6534
    @fbiopenup6534 4 місяці тому +1

    W video mate

  • @paultidd9332
    @paultidd9332 4 місяці тому

    I really liked the 332’s they felt ‘special’ trains, smart interior (perhaps worth the £25 fare?) and made it part of the experience of flying and going on holiday. I do not know why they were replaced?

    • @GlenBGaming
      @GlenBGaming 4 місяці тому

      Cracked frames I believe.

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 4 місяці тому +3

    Is that actually in London , or in Berkshire ?

    • @thetflthree
      @thetflthree  4 місяці тому +5

      Stockley park is in the borough of Hillingdon which last time I checked is London. - Hugh

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 4 місяці тому +1

      @@thetflthree Bring back Middlesex

    • @heli-crewhgs5285
      @heli-crewhgs5285 4 місяці тому +1

      I didn’t know that Eddie Izzard had a son!

    • @markfoxwell2411
      @markfoxwell2411 4 місяці тому +1

      When I see SL7 , I always think of Slough before I remember it's super loop.

  • @greyzreputation
    @greyzreputation 4 місяці тому

    no way !! i pass the site basically everyday to college that is crazy !!

  • @battlebat8087
    @battlebat8087 3 місяці тому

    The photo at 0:58, where is it from?

  • @Andy-ju8bb
    @Andy-ju8bb 4 місяці тому

    Howood in Scotland is probably the shortest lived in the UK. It was open for about three weeks in 1840.
    But for London, this is probably the winner. Park Royal on the GWR is probably the shortest at about three weeks, but as it was reopened twice, once for ten years and once for about twenty years, finally closing in the late 1930s, it probably shouldn’t count.

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 4 місяці тому

    6:40 That project is still called that!

  • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
    @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 4 місяці тому +2

    Line between Heathrow Terminal 1, 2 & 3 and Heathrow Terminal 4, should be double tracked.

    • @JackJackProductionsShorts
      @JackJackProductionsShorts 4 місяці тому +1

      Why Terminal 4 only gets a half hourly service so a single track is sufficient

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 4 місяці тому

      @@JackJackProductionsShorts Heathrow T4 gets 4tph also there us plans to extend to Staines and Feltham which will require more TPH to T4.

    • @DavidShepheard
      @DavidShepheard 4 місяці тому +3

      They built Terminal 4 station as a reversing loop. Now TfL is splitting capacity between Terminal 4 and Terminal 5. I'm not sure what a complex junction at Terminal 4 would do for capacity on the Picadilly Line.
      Ideally, the Terminal 5 construction would have made the loop bigger, so that all Picadilly trains did all three airport stations, without needing any switches and crossings. Get rid of the switches and crossings and you get less "points failures" that disrupt services.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 4 місяці тому

      @@DavidShepheard I am talking about double tracking the Mainline branch between T1, 2 & 3 and T4 which would provide a greater reliability. Having multiple points allows for engineering works on the T4 loop of Piccadilly Line not to affect T1, 2, 3 & 5 as you can run direct to T1, 2 & 3 avoiding T4 Loop. Also, they would have considered weather it was better to extend the loop or build a new branch also, Heathrow shut the parts of the airport which the tunnel boring machine was under in case of another sinkhole, so it was easier and cheaper to build a branch to T5 for Piccadilly Line. Also if you remove too many points then your system reliability drops because you have very limited places to turn around late trains and in engineering works. If splitting capacity is such an issue why has the Uxbridge Branch been transferred to the district line to free up more trains for Heathrow.

    • @markfoxwell2411
      @markfoxwell2411 4 місяці тому

      Perhaps a shame it closed. Although it wouldn't be useful for the Hex, the distance between west Drayton and Hayes might make it useful for the Elizabeth line and Stockley park commuting.

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 4 місяці тому +3

    The Longest distance between bus stops might be whatever was the X26 (SL something) Twickenhamish to Hatton Cross ?

    • @shawnli4746
      @shawnli4746 4 місяці тому +2

      SL7 now.
      Non stop between teddington & Hatton cross.
      Seems as though Hounslow borough doesn't want the SL7 stopping on their turf

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 4 місяці тому

      @@shawnli4746 I suppose if you want destinations other than the airport then take a local bus. (one assumes given the route there is no-where of interest to people of say Sutton

  • @coxallk32
    @coxallk32 16 днів тому

    surely this doesn't count as it was only going to be temporary anyway

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 4 місяці тому

    Heathrow Junction possibly the shortest lived station in England?But other contenders would be Leeds Whitehall and Workington,or was it Whitehaven?, North.Not counting non national timetabled temporary stations like the one Chilton built on the Cowley Freight Branch in Oxford .

  • @trainspottingbacon5442
    @trainspottingbacon5442 4 місяці тому +4

    10:29 what is bro doing at the back

  • @vinniechudam1835
    @vinniechudam1835 4 місяці тому

    You look like you weren't even alive back in 1998 when the line fully opened. I remember my first trip and it was a week after the official opening, 30th June 1998. I was flying to Hong Kong Kai Tak on Virgin Atlantic with my mum. Kai Tak's old airport closed a week later and I flew back home from Hong Kong's brand new airport.

  • @cloverisfan818
    @cloverisfan818 2 місяці тому

    0:14 cue the vsauce music

  • @levigaming-1
    @levigaming-1 4 місяці тому

    5:22 since when did superloop go to heathrow

  • @andyhinds542
    @andyhinds542 3 місяці тому

    Rail fares in the UK are an absolute joke! A few weeks ago, I travelled from Dallas Fort Worth to Galatyn Park in Richardson, near Plano, which takes about an hour. The fare was only $3. I'd imagine that that same journey in the UK would cost around £15 - £20 and that was a tram. This was Texas, which is about as right-wing a US state as you can get, but even Texas has an affordable subsidised rapid transport system.

  • @rockerjim8045
    @rockerjim8045 4 місяці тому

    £25 for 12 mins of rail travel. I paid £9.98 from Stansted to Norway!

  • @michaeljohndennis2231
    @michaeljohndennis2231 4 місяці тому

    Given the total failures and incompetence of the U.K. in rail projects where fares go up and service goes down, on top of industrial action, a prime example of which is the failure of HS2, it’s now time for the CCP to be given direct and complete control of the U.K. rail network without any interference being permitted, given the huge and consistent success of the Chinese railways, even in suburban rail projects - even my native Ireland’s railways are way better than here in the U.K. where I’ve lived for 22 years - they keep shelving the high speed rail tunnel under the Irish Sea between Holyhead and Dublin and there is simply no excuse for it - I know some people will post comments in response to this and my response will always be, shut up making lame excuses, shut up defending incompetence and ineptitude, shut up defending trade unions - I simply don’t want to hear it as I’m totally fed up with excuses, there are none - if earthquake prone Japan can have high quality railways why can’t the U.K. - the whole attitude and culture needs to radically and quickly change in these times of climate change, we need viable and sustainable alternatives to flying and air travel

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 4 місяці тому +1

      There's no failure of HS2, construction continues as we speak.

  • @DonaldTrumpIsGreat
    @DonaldTrumpIsGreat 4 місяці тому +6

    Nice 👍