I got the 800 because I also got the 3000. If I only bought one, it would have been the 1000. Seemed to me that it was worth having a little more speed and a little less polish in the mid grit since I’d be going to a higher grit anyway.
The reasons why some people prefer the Naniwa Chosera/Pro 800 grit over the 1000 grit are: 1. The 1000 grit can "load up" more easily. The slurry becomes muddier, which can slow down the cutting process. While some people find this manageable, others prefer a clearer slurry. 2. On certain softer steels, the edge may lose its toothiness when finished on a 1000 grit stone. 3. Following Takayuki Shibata's differential grit sharpening style. 800 grit and 8000 grit on the other edge side.
James, you confused me so much that I bought both the 800 and the 1000 :) Excellent video btw. I really enjoy these comparison videos. keep them coming!
This is the EXACT video I needed. Your video that compared all the 1,000 grit stones is what made me purchase the Naniwa Pro 1,000 grit. THEN I saw all the reddit posts about the 800 along with it's cult-like status and second guessed my decision. Having watched this, and seeing that you prefer the 1,000 made me confident in the stoen I already had. I just added the Naniwa Pro 3,000 as my second stone. I already LOVE the results I am getting from the 1,000 and a strop, look forward to the 3,000 even more now. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I have all eight stones, the 800 is what I use least of all of them. I really like the way the 1000 feels over the 800. Out of all the 2000 is my favorite. Stones that really stand out in that line up are the 400, 1000, 2000, and 10,000 that's my opinion
What do you think about the 600 in comparison to the 400/800? I have the 600 and the 2000, and I'm wondering how the others perform, if it would make sense to replace the 600. I really like the 2000, even though I can't compare it to the 3000. But I prefer it over the Shapton pro 2k for sure.
Hello, I have naniwa chosera 800 and 5000. It's ok to go from 800 to 5000 or should I buy a 3000? It's a must or it's not really big differendo do from 800-5000 to 800-3000-5000?
A very good comparison!! Would you mind telling me the What GRITS of diamond plates were you using in your demonstration. And where did you get them with a handle? Thanks.
With Choseras, you could go 800->3000 and get the same results as with Shapton 1000->5000. For me the Choseras cut fast true to grit but leave a higher grit finish at least 1000-2000 grit higher. They are very expensive though. But they last a somewhat longer compared to any other brand that I have used. Maybe one or two more months for the same amount of daily usage.
Well, This debunks the idea that the Chosera 800 cuts like a 1200-1500 grit whetstone. Clearly the scratch pattern is coarser than almost all of the 1000 stones, except Sharon 1000 which almost everyone feels is a coarser 1000 than most. Good job on the analysis!
Good comparing video. Thank you. :) I have tested Naniwa Chosera 1000, Naniwa Arata 800, Shapton 1000 but I was surpised by the Suehiro Debado S. I like a lot stones that don't make a lot of slurry so Shapton stones are my favorites. :)
You make handsome videos. Very well explained without small talk. I understand your English much better that many Americans talk too quickly. The images from the microscope are also beautiful.
@@erickzhou5314 If you have the shapton glass 1k I don't see a reason to get a chosera 800-1k unless you really want it. The shapton glass is a fine stone.
I had a Chosera 3000 and bought the 1000 just because it´s green. I like when my stones have different colors because it makes it easier to pick the right one.
There is no clear answer to this... I have all up to 3k and they are all great except 2k..800# is faster than 1000# even considering the grit rating but 1000# has the best handfeel together with 3000# and amazing feedback
Having just watched your video and just wanted to point out that while imaging the knife edges after using different wet stones, I just want to say that would an analysis of the surfaces of the wet stones themselves be more useful. This can be done quite easily using an Atomic Force Microscope or Scanning Probe Microscope. Using these tools you can easily map size of grinding particles, their distribution, as well as hardness of the grinding particles and the matrix they are embedded in. If you contact some Physics or Science departments at a couple of universities, they should be able to help you out.
I got the 800 because I also got the 3000. If I only bought one, it would have been the 1000. Seemed to me that it was worth having a little more speed and a little less polish in the mid grit since I’d be going to a higher grit anyway.
The reasons why some people prefer the Naniwa Chosera/Pro 800 grit over the 1000 grit are:
1. The 1000 grit can "load up" more easily. The slurry becomes muddier, which can slow down the cutting process. While some people find this manageable, others prefer a clearer slurry.
2. On certain softer steels, the edge may lose its toothiness when finished on a 1000 grit stone.
3. Following Takayuki Shibata's differential grit sharpening style. 800 grit and 8000 grit on the other edge side.
As a beginner which one is best for a single stone solution?
I have many knives from a previous job I had when I was 16 working in a kitchen.
those 1000/3000 or 1000/6000 combo stones are probably the more appropriate single stone choice
@@KnivesandStones Thanks! just Placed an order for my stone. 1000/3000.
James, you confused me so much that I bought both the 800 and the 1000 :) Excellent video btw. I really enjoy these comparison videos. keep them coming!
This is the EXACT video I needed. Your video that compared all the 1,000 grit stones is what made me purchase the Naniwa Pro 1,000 grit. THEN I saw all the reddit posts about the 800 along with it's cult-like status and second guessed my decision. Having watched this, and seeing that you prefer the 1,000 made me confident in the stoen I already had. I just added the Naniwa Pro 3,000 as my second stone. I already LOVE the results I am getting from the 1,000 and a strop, look forward to the 3,000 even more now. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I have all eight stones, the 800 is what I use least of all of them. I really like the way the 1000 feels over the 800. Out of all the 2000 is my favorite. Stones that really stand out in that line up are the 400, 1000, 2000, and 10,000 that's my opinion
What do you think about the 600 in comparison to the 400/800? I have the 600 and the 2000, and I'm wondering how the others perform, if it would make sense to replace the 600. I really like the 2000, even though I can't compare it to the 3000. But I prefer it over the Shapton pro 2k for sure.
Hello, I have naniwa chosera 800 and 5000. It's ok to go from 800 to 5000 or should I buy a 3000? It's a must or it's not really big differendo do from 800-5000 to 800-3000-5000?
Great channel! If you were to get two Chosera Pros for overall maintenance, which two grits would you choose?
Thanks!
I'd probably choose 1000 and 3000
@@KnivesandStones Thanks!
A very good comparison!!
Would you mind telling me the What GRITS of diamond plates were you using in your demonstration. And where did you get them with a handle? Thanks.
With Choseras, you could go 800->3000 and get the same results as with Shapton 1000->5000. For me the Choseras cut fast true to grit but leave a higher grit finish at least 1000-2000 grit higher. They are very expensive though. But they last a somewhat longer compared to any other brand that I have used. Maybe one or two more months for the same amount of daily usage.
Are both "splash and go" stones? Do they need special attention when drying them after being used?
Interesting question
Well,
This debunks the idea that the Chosera 800 cuts like a 1200-1500 grit whetstone. Clearly the scratch pattern is coarser than almost all of the 1000 stones, except Sharon 1000 which almost everyone feels is a coarser 1000 than most.
Good job on the analysis!
Good comparing video. Thank you. :) I have tested Naniwa Chosera 1000, Naniwa Arata 800, Shapton 1000 but I was surpised by the Suehiro Debado S. I like a lot stones that don't make a lot of slurry so Shapton stones are my favorites. :)
But shaptons tend to get clogged tho ...
@@dimmacommunication Some of the fine grits, yes tend to get clogged but till now I didn't saw any stone not to get clogged.
@@DanielWorkshop I have a shapton cream ,bought 5 years ago :) love it.
Fact is that I never need such a level of mirror polish
@@dimmacommunication I have a cream one too. Newer used it. :) I use jnat for razor finishing. For knives 12k is overkill.
@@DanielWorkshop Maybe for sushi , honestly I find that a 1k stone , then strop with chromium oxide works amazing :)
You make handsome videos. Very well explained without small talk. I understand your English much better that many Americans talk too quickly. The images from the microscope are also beautiful.
Thanks for the info..
The 2k Chosera is a fast stone, but leaves a nice finish. .
I have the chosera 400, 800 and 3000. That 800 is a dream stone
i have them too. They're all the dream lol
I have the chosera 400 and 3000 and a shapton glass 1k, I really like this stone, but I'm really considering in buying a new chosera 800 or 1k hmmmm
@@erickzhou5314 If you have the shapton glass 1k I don't see a reason to get a chosera 800-1k unless you really want it. The shapton glass is a fine stone.
@@erickzhou5314 I have the same config I did you get a chosera? what is you feedback?
I had a Chosera 3000 and bought the 1000 just because it´s green. I like when my stones have different colors because it makes it easier to pick the right one.
what was the device you used to prep your stones?
He uses a atoma plate
its an atoma diamond plate
Great, thanks. But the audio is quite low compare to other UA-cam vids
i removed some sound dampening material in the room, turned out it wasn't the best idea. XD
When flattening the stones, I saw you take the curse off the edge. Do you recommend that to prevent the blade from catching the edge of the stone?
Yes, that is a standard practice, I do recommend doing so.
很感谢您的视频，我最近意外购买到了naniwa800目的石头。看完你的视频。我觉得800目下铁快。也会使刀的使用寿命减短。所以为什么1000目的石头一直都是主流是有原因的。
Nice Video, good work. very Professional with the microscope
Do you prefer this or shapton ?
i don't use shapton anymore
I also have shapton and I also do not use them anymore.
Thank you sir. I would go for chosera #1000
Thank you!! For good information! 👌👍✌️☺️🌞
Get both. Or just get them all. Great investment.
Would you like to compare naniwa chosera 1000 vs shapton pro 1500 & 2000 vs naniwa aotoshi 2000 ?
Thx sir
I don't have a shapton 2000 anymore the 1000 was like a left over:D
There is no clear answer to this... I have all up to 3k and they are all great except 2k..800# is faster than 1000# even considering the grit rating but 1000# has the best handfeel together with 3000# and amazing feedback
Having just watched your video and just wanted to point out that while imaging the knife edges after using different wet stones, I just want to say that would an analysis of the surfaces of the wet stones themselves be more useful. This can be done quite easily using an Atomic Force Microscope or Scanning Probe Microscope. Using these tools you can easily map size of grinding particles, their distribution, as well as hardness of the grinding particles and the matrix they are embedded in. If you contact some Physics or Science departments at a couple of universities, they should be able to help you out.
Or you could just look at the scratch patterns.
Too late waiting for 800 and 3k to arrive. I think with 3k it will even out. But maybe 800 gives more bite
it is really not much of a difference. Enjoy!
@@KnivesandStones will do thanks
Simple, 800 is 14 microns grain, 1000 is 11 microns grain 🎉
Done... thumbs up... subscribed already couple months ago... 🤣🤣🤣
Wow are you a happy person or what
What is the difference between the Naniwa Chosera 800 and 1000?
Well ... 200 I guess.
What's the point of this useless comparison?
Those stones are very expensives better used. Cubitron paper
Sharpening Stones, especially natural stones gave the knife a longer lasting, better edge.
@@polarowl9620 but too expensive really not much different with sand papers