Nicely done. Loved the added microscope pics. You created a very clean, crisp edge and l am sure your customer much appreciates it. Whenever l get a new knife, l usually do some cut testing with the factory edge and maybe a bit of food prep, just to see how it performs. But then l almost immediately put a quick edge on it with two stones, just to see how easily it sharpens up.
my favorite is the 400. it cuts very fast yet its very hard and barely releases grit. it doesnt do contrasting finishes but thats not what it's for anyway. all that and it still leave a fine edge that is good to go. The 1000 cuts well for it's grit but it's too messy so I rarely use it. it's good for wide bevels. Therefore i like the 800 better. but, the 1k glass or 2k shapton pro are both really nice. The king neo 800 is godly however. SIC cuts stainless steel a lot easier and the neo is like much faster chosera. It can do it all. I still need to try the 600 which is oversight on my end. the 3k I love the feel and finish it leaves, but it is clearly slower than the glass stones. The 4k glass is finer and faster than the 3k chosera. I love the finish the 3k leaves on steel though and it has a very unique feeling. The 10k imo comes to life with some light slurry but man is that a hard stone. it soaks some water when you first use it but it mellows out like all the choseras. It's very similar to the 12k shapton pro, I think it might be a little finer. Not sure i could tell them from each other if I could not see. Really nice finishing stone because the 3k does great tiny burrs if you really grind on it. The 5k and 10k wont make burrs. I think for 99% of guys and uses, the 5k is better choice. but I just like saying I have the 10k because it's the daddy. 400 chosera is the king. so much better than 500 glass imo but I have heavy hands. 500 glass is beter with lighter touch as it's a lot more friable. idk man. stones make me crazy.
Looking to find a 2 stone setup coming from a cheaper combo stone that needs to be replaced. What do you think about the following: Naniwa 400/3000, 800/3000 or naniwa 400 or 800 with a Shapton Pro 2000? I looking to maintain mostly Japanese kitchen knives (shiro/aogami) but also have a few vg10 and western stainless blades that get a little more abuse. I was also considering a 3 stone setup like 400/1000/3000 to have a little more versatility since some of the knives will be duller than others. Would love to hear your suggestions since you own most of these.
@@muckeyn I would for sure include the 400 or 600. Both are medium course stones, they're not true course stones. I find 2 stone combos easier on the shaton side but the 400/3k and the 600/2k are both very popular 2 stone combos on the choseras. Honestly the 400 chosera is almost certainly finer than the finest cheapo stone you've had. I tried a "3000/8000" cheapo stone from amazon and realistically it's like 300/800 at best. Can't even compare junk like that to a chosera. If you're just doing edges, I'd consider a shapton. 220 glass or 320 pro which is SIC and cuts any steel with ease paired with something like the 2k glass or pro. Any combo of any of these stones would be legit.
@@TimJohnson-x1o so my combo is 320/1000. For my Japanese knives I’ve been only maintaining them with the 1000 and a leather strop and have been happy with the results. I use the 320 sparingly for the western knives that get more abuse (mostly wife). Those get dull (rough paper cutting) but not chipped or anything. The 400 seems like it would be great on those knives but is it overkill to start on my Japanese knives? I understand 400/3000 is a common combo and an okay jump. But would having a 800/1000 stone be worthwhile? I’ve read of people loving the shapton 2000 for maintaining sharpish knives which is why I was considering it as well. What 2 stone combo would you go with for the shapton side? Budget isn’t really a concern although I’d like to keep everything as simple as possible. I’ve been known to turn basic hobbies into collections so I’d like to have some restraint as far as sharpening goes 😅
I too really like the 400grit chosera. First one i ever bought and i own every chosera grit. I like it so much i am on my third 400grit. I will just come out and say the tactile feel you get from the chosera 400grit is better than any stone i have ever used. I find the Shaptons to be "ok" they definitely run much coarser compared to Naniwa. I do not like my shapton 120grit though I absolutely dislike that stone.I find Shapton Pro 1k to be like the 600 chosera. I run a 12k super stone for my German made straight razors. I was going to try a Suehiro 20k for straight razors but I need to buy some cbn or diamond resin bond stones for my knives made of maxamet, elmax, s90v, cmp110, ect. Which damn they are expensive but the DMT diamond plates just dont last especially once ÿou get to extra fine grit. Seems like you burn right through that thin layer of industrial diamonds glued to that stainless plate
i have this version of chosera but the 400 with the base which i don’t care for and i was going to buy the 800 but i noticed that they have an updated version of the chosera series and instead of a base they come in a box and are much thinner. i ordered the chosera 600 and 800 and oddly i got the 600 today but not the 800 yet. the plastic box it came in is similar to the ones that the shapton pro stones come in but cheaper, mine came broken. but the stones fit perfectly in the shapton boxes so i’m not experiencing any problems. i don’t know if they changed anything else about it but the 600 seems to cut faster than the older version 400 chosera i have and it hasn’t dished at all yet but it’s a blue stone and i feel like it is wearing quicker than my green 400 chosera. i almost want to buy another stone for a direct comparison either the new style in 400 or the old style 800 which is what is in the video
The chosera design was changed for export purposes and that's how the pro came about. Same recipe only smaller. Recently they released the gouken series with even smaller stones. The pro/chosera equivalent here is the gouken arata. They come in the same kind of box as shapton and the 600 grit one is blue. Same stuff, different sizes. They could have released something new though, so I will dig a bit, it's too bad they rarely update their website :)
I have the Chosera #800. It's the stone I use the most... Effective without being too aggressive, good feedback and it hardly clogs. It requires little water and it wears out only very slowly... It really has a lot of advantages! That said, on some very hard steels (like D2 for example) I sometimes find it a little too smooth and slippery... In my experience, it's better to use a nagura stone to create mud on the surface of this stone... We thus obtain much better sensations and greater efficiency... I also have a Naniwa Pro #3000 but I probably like it a little less than the #800... because I observe that I use it less often... That must necessarily mean something ^^
those nagura stones are cool. i have a few cheap water stones 1x2x6” duel grit pretty soft bond i got twelve of them for $200 when i first started buying stones at the beginning of this year so all of them were less than $20 some were less than $10 but they work perfectly for loading better stones with abrasives. i think those nagura stones are about the same price for one third of the stone and it only has one grit.
to flatten the 300 you need a proper coarse flattening stone. This will leave marks in your 4000/8000, but if you could flatten with a really coarse stone, you can touch up/remove marks with the previous stone. use the 4000 on the 8000 etc. I only use the atoma myself, but most big brands have their standard flattening stones with those big grooves in them. I have used naniwas in the past, but i have a few interresting ones from imanishi, in different sizes that needs testing, its called suheikun i think.
Best bet is 140 atoma on sale for around $60. Or you gotta go with SiC which works excellent but obviously its not a diamond plate... you can get a basic one for around $20. And I don't mean loose SiC grit, I mean a SiC flattening stone. Or get some sandpaper and something decently flat.... For king stones I'd prob go with a basic SiC flattening stone.
Great addition the microscope shot..keep it up. I enjoy the chosera before..my combo was 320( cutoff from the round stone) , 1k chocolate bar and 3k..the 3k definitely a great finishing ( some says it equivalent to 5k shapton).. I need to test the shapton combo ,what yr suggestion combo for shapton..?
Shapton uses larger abrasive particles than Naniwa, so you would have to go a bit higher on the grit to recieve comparable results. So there is some truth to what you have heard :) personally i love shaptons lower grit stones for excactly this, the 320 kuromaku is a great rough stone. After that the 1k is decent, and i would stop on the 5k. they get very expensive on those higher grits. so the 1k/5k for maintenance, and the 320 for touchups and chips :) hope this helps
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 thanks for the informative sharing . my shapton 320 is on the way..will try to build my own combo set..yr recommendation is the same as what I am interested to try..thanks
If you use cellphone to record you can intall an app called Open Camera. It has the option to fixed focus point so you don't have to worry about focus going crazy during sharpening. If you are using a professional camera it probably has the same option too.
Adding ekstra steps will always increase the chance of something going wrong. For regular sharpening an increase in 200 grit is unnecessary. For the 800 and 1k i would use either one, but never together. Other than that i have less experience on the 1k than the 800, since thats the one i tend to take out for work :)
@Raffie B @@lofotenknifeworks2278 Some users prefer the #1000 over the #800, saying it's only slightly slower and produces a better edge and finish... I was thinking that maybe I should have bought the #1000 instead of the #800... But reading you, I think I'll stay on the #800 ^^
thanks fo leaving a comment. I use a worn atoma 120 for the job. a new 120 would leave quite big scratches, and you would need a finer grit to even that out.
That is beautiful. Thank you for showcasing, i've been thinking about trying out a Naniwa chosera 800. Have you ever tried Morihei fire series soak stone before?
What microscope do you use to examine and photograph the edges with? I picked up Chosera 400, 800, and 3000 stones for myself and want to perform similar examinations to perfect my technique...
You dont really need much magnification to examine the edge. in fact most usb-microscopes will do you just fine. Thats the boring advice. If you are anything like me you will ignore that and have a look at a Kern OZL 468 with a digital camera. Its a bit on the pricier side, but if you can afford it it is great :)
My most used stone combo and also the one I recommend most. They're just so good. My favorites are the Shapton Glass tho. For some reason I just like the feeling more
I understand you very well. For me its the nice elegant slim experience on one hand, and the large bulky kind of tradisjonal experience on the other :D
shapton glass is a higher performance stone with very similar level of friability and hardness to the chosera. Anyone that tells you a chosera cuts faster should put down the crack pipe. Choseras are more thirsty, and more expensive up front, but the amount of abrasive on the glass is obviously much less. SG also has courser options, but also more options in general. I think if someone is into traditional Japanese stuff, like you actually want and enjoy knives of obsolete and high maintence low performance steels like white and blue, then the chosera is your stone. If you enjoy more modern and higher performance and less maintenance side of things, ie not a hipster, then the SG is clearly the superior stone if money is no object. I have sets of both stones. I enjoy both. I just think the chosera is overhyed, usually by people who sell them but dont sell shaptons, surprise surprise, and is over suggested especially to newbs when they are expensive and more finicky than average user needs.
@@jeffhicks8428 uhm yea no definitely not. Absolut bs. I have used Shapton Glass and Naniwas for years and years. Naniwa are a good bit faster, polish as good as the SG and are more suited for harder steels. When it comes to carbide rich steels both stones should not be used tho. Honestly wondering if you bought the Superstone line from Naniwa. Especially because the Professional/Choseras are not thirsty but the Superstones are.
@@camorakidd_edc Superstones are true splash and go. They absorb no water. They can be used DRY. They wear decently well but have a soft hard-rubbery texture unlike other products because they are specialty items made for polishing. They are excellent polishers, which is what the entire line is meant to be used for. Choseras are by far the most thirsty stones classified as Splash and go on the market. They are very hard but still quite friable, as evident by the mess many of them make which is obvious thanks to coloring agents. When you see green shit everywhere while using the 1k, you know it's pretty friable. The whole point of these things is have the vibe of traditional waterstone while being a modern sng. Anyone that tells you they cut fast is a liar. They cut gently. You sound like every other person that watches low info youtube videos and parrots the baseless claims made by the people who are trying to sell you something. I'd bet you've never used any of these items, I just dont understand why waste time making such comments. If you have, it's probably in the 1"x4" repackaged form resold to edc bros for half the price of the full size stones.
I collect them also. I believe the choseras are the most overhyped stones on the market, especially this particular combo. Choseras are good for folks who are into the whole "traditional" Japanese knife thing, want something that will have the mojo of a traditional waterstone but performance and use like a modern high quality sng. I don't find them comparable to shapton pro. They are both very hard stones, but the SP is a bit harder, much less friable, but still cuts just as well. More similar in hardness and friability to shapton glass ,very very similar there, nearly identical, but the shapton glass clearly cuts much faster and more aggressive which makes it better suited to stainless steels and less well suited to carbon steels especially delicate items like razors. The issue with this combo is they're both sharpening stones. the 800 is the most course sharpener in the chosera line and the 3000 is the finest one. Most people don't need all that, they just need 1 sharpening stone, would be better off getting a course stone or a finishing stone if they can only have 2 stones. And lets be honest the 400 chosera, most course stone in the line, is still about as fine as something like a 1k cerax, which is a very friable and messy soaking stone good for wide bevels and sharpening with light pressure. Just using that as an example. It's easy to just use a 400 chosera then a finisher and have great edges. I can easily get hair splitting, hair popping double digit bess from just a 400 chosera and a few strops on a SS. The 3000 is very fine shapener, leaves a very nice finish, but as a sharpener its very very slow. It's great for a deburring stone though, if you don't want high polish from finisher. If I was suggesting two stone combo to newb I wouldn't suggest chosera at all, but if I did probably 400 and 1k or 600 and 2k is a better bet. That way you get two different types of stones rather than 2 sharpening stones. Any of the jumps is fine for a knife of course, you can do 400 to 3k and be done also. You just need 1 of each type really. Naniwa does say the 2k and 3k are a separate category for "fine sharpener" or "touch up" though but still classifies as sharpening stone. 800 to 3000 chosera is almost like 1k to 2k in a shapton pro. They're not that far apart really. If you want a slow course stone and slow sharpening stone 800 and 3k is good, otherwise you will have 1 fast sharpener and slow sharpener 1 touch up, deburring stone.
Still ONE of my favourite combos 😁. There are offcourse other as well. That being said the shapton 320 is one of my most used coarse stones. Being rivaled only by the suehiro ld-21 :) i have a few lesser know brands also lined up for this series so I hope you stick by. Thanks for the comment, feedback and have a great weekend 😁
I have every Chosera, and like you all mine except the 10k are on the base(since 10k never came on a base) since i prefer they are a little thicker than the Pro chosera without a base. I must say the 800grit is the least favorite and least used for me. I have found the $1k to just be better everywhere from tactical feel, and feedback but i do not know how consistent they can vary in their production. Stones that really stand out in that set for me are the 400, 1k, 2k, 3k and it took awhile to break in but once it did that 5k really started to become a great stone and though its may seem like a high jump, it sets u up for the 10k perfectly. Ive used the 400 and 2k so much im on my third 400, and second 2k
Thank you in showing the beautiful results of the edge in between your work... Amazing to actually see the results... Thank you
Excellent video and the microscope pics are a great addition. Very insightful 👍
Nicely done. Loved the added microscope pics. You created a very clean, crisp edge and l am sure your customer much appreciates it. Whenever l get a new knife, l usually do some cut testing with the factory edge and maybe a bit of food prep, just to see how it performs. But then l almost immediately put a quick edge on it with two stones, just to see how easily it sharpens up.
Would love to see your other favourite stones (I also have Naniwa Pro 800 and 3000. They’re my favourite too.)
Oh there are so many good combos out there :) more videos are definitely coming
Okay that sounds great thank you for your time and advise
my favorite is the 400. it cuts very fast yet its very hard and barely releases grit. it doesnt do contrasting finishes but thats not what it's for anyway. all that and it still leave a fine edge that is good to go. The 1000 cuts well for it's grit but it's too messy so I rarely use it. it's good for wide bevels. Therefore i like the 800 better. but, the 1k glass or 2k shapton pro are both really nice. The king neo 800 is godly however. SIC cuts stainless steel a lot easier and the neo is like much faster chosera. It can do it all. I still need to try the 600 which is oversight on my end. the 3k I love the feel and finish it leaves, but it is clearly slower than the glass stones. The 4k glass is finer and faster than the 3k chosera. I love the finish the 3k leaves on steel though and it has a very unique feeling. The 10k imo comes to life with some light slurry but man is that a hard stone. it soaks some water when you first use it but it mellows out like all the choseras. It's very similar to the 12k shapton pro, I think it might be a little finer. Not sure i could tell them from each other if I could not see. Really nice finishing stone because the 3k does great tiny burrs if you really grind on it. The 5k and 10k wont make burrs. I think for 99% of guys and uses, the 5k is better choice. but I just like saying I have the 10k because it's the daddy. 400 chosera is the king. so much better than 500 glass imo but I have heavy hands. 500 glass is beter with lighter touch as it's a lot more friable. idk man. stones make me crazy.
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Looking to find a 2 stone setup coming from a cheaper combo stone that needs to be replaced. What do you think about the following: Naniwa 400/3000, 800/3000 or naniwa 400 or 800 with a Shapton Pro 2000? I looking to maintain mostly Japanese kitchen knives (shiro/aogami) but also have a few vg10 and western stainless blades that get a little more abuse. I was also considering a 3 stone setup like 400/1000/3000 to have a little more versatility since some of the knives will be duller than others. Would love to hear your suggestions since you own most of these.
@@muckeyn I would for sure include the 400 or 600. Both are medium course stones, they're not true course stones. I find 2 stone combos easier on the shaton side but the 400/3k and the 600/2k are both very popular 2 stone combos on the choseras. Honestly the 400 chosera is almost certainly finer than the finest cheapo stone you've had. I tried a "3000/8000" cheapo stone from amazon and realistically it's like 300/800 at best. Can't even compare junk like that to a chosera. If you're just doing edges, I'd consider a shapton. 220 glass or 320 pro which is SIC and cuts any steel with ease paired with something like the 2k glass or pro. Any combo of any of these stones would be legit.
@@TimJohnson-x1o so my combo is 320/1000. For my Japanese knives I’ve been only maintaining them with the 1000 and a leather strop and have been happy with the results. I use the 320 sparingly for the western knives that get more abuse (mostly wife). Those get dull (rough paper cutting) but not chipped or anything. The 400 seems like it would be great on those knives but is it overkill to start on my Japanese knives? I understand 400/3000 is a common combo and an okay jump. But would having a 800/1000 stone be worthwhile? I’ve read of people loving the shapton 2000 for maintaining sharpish knives which is why I was considering it as well. What 2 stone combo would you go with for the shapton side? Budget isn’t really a concern although I’d like to keep everything as simple as possible. I’ve been known to turn basic hobbies into collections so I’d like to have some restraint as far as sharpening goes 😅
I too really like the 400grit chosera. First one i ever bought and i own every chosera grit. I like it so much i am on my third 400grit. I will just come out and say the tactile feel you get from the chosera 400grit is better than any stone i have ever used. I find the Shaptons to be "ok" they definitely run much coarser compared to Naniwa. I do not like my shapton 120grit though I absolutely dislike that stone.I find Shapton Pro 1k to be like the 600 chosera. I run a 12k super stone for my German made straight razors. I was going to try a Suehiro 20k for straight razors but I need to buy some cbn or diamond resin bond stones for my knives made of maxamet, elmax, s90v, cmp110, ect. Which damn they are expensive but the DMT diamond plates just dont last especially once ÿou get to extra fine grit. Seems like you burn right through that thin layer of industrial diamonds glued to that stainless plate
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i have this version of chosera but the 400 with the base which i don’t care for and i was going to buy the 800 but i noticed that they have an updated version of the chosera series and instead of a base they come in a box and are much thinner. i ordered the chosera 600 and 800 and oddly i got the 600 today but not the 800 yet. the plastic box it came in is similar to the ones that the shapton pro stones come in but cheaper, mine came broken. but the stones fit perfectly in the shapton boxes so i’m not experiencing any problems. i don’t know if they changed anything else about it but the 600 seems to cut faster than the older version 400 chosera i have and it hasn’t dished at all yet but it’s a blue stone and i feel like it is wearing quicker than my green 400 chosera. i almost want to buy another stone for a direct comparison either the new style in 400 or the old style 800 which is what is in the video
The chosera design was changed for export purposes and that's how the pro came about. Same recipe only smaller. Recently they released the gouken series with even smaller stones. The pro/chosera equivalent here is the gouken arata. They come in the same kind of box as shapton and the 600 grit one is blue. Same stuff, different sizes. They could have released something new though, so I will dig a bit, it's too bad they rarely update their website :)
I have the Chosera #800. It's the stone I use the most... Effective without being too aggressive, good feedback and it hardly clogs. It requires little water and it wears out only very slowly... It really has a lot of advantages! That said, on some very hard steels (like D2 for example) I sometimes find it a little too smooth and slippery... In my experience, it's better to use a nagura stone to create mud on the surface of this stone... We thus obtain much better sensations and greater efficiency...
I also have a Naniwa Pro #3000 but I probably like it a little less than the #800... because I observe that I use it less often... That must necessarily mean something ^^
those nagura stones are cool. i have a few cheap water stones 1x2x6” duel grit pretty soft bond i got twelve of them for $200 when i first started buying stones at the beginning of this year so all of them were less than $20 some were less than $10 but they work perfectly for loading better stones with abrasives. i think those nagura stones are about the same price for one third of the stone and it only has one grit.
I just bought my first Japanese kitchen knife, it’s a Nakagawa/Morihiro 210mm Ginsan Gyoto. What stones would you recommend for it?
Could you please give me advice about the best budget flattening stone (brand and grit), which can be used with my king stones: 300,800,1200,4000,8000
to flatten the 300 you need a proper coarse flattening stone. This will leave marks in your 4000/8000, but if you could flatten with a really coarse stone, you can touch up/remove marks with the previous stone. use the 4000 on the 8000 etc. I only use the atoma myself, but most big brands have their standard flattening stones with those big grooves in them. I have used naniwas in the past, but i have a few interresting ones from imanishi, in different sizes that needs testing, its called suheikun i think.
Best bet is 140 atoma on sale for around $60. Or you gotta go with SiC which works excellent but obviously its not a diamond plate... you can get a basic one for around $20. And I don't mean loose SiC grit, I mean a SiC flattening stone. Or get some sandpaper and something decently flat.... For king stones I'd prob go with a basic SiC flattening stone.
Great addition the microscope shot..keep it up. I enjoy the chosera before..my combo was 320( cutoff from the round stone) , 1k chocolate bar and 3k..the 3k definitely a great finishing ( some says it equivalent to 5k shapton).. I need to test the shapton combo ,what yr suggestion combo for shapton..?
Shapton uses larger abrasive particles than Naniwa, so you would have to go a bit higher on the grit to recieve comparable results. So there is some truth to what you have heard :) personally i love shaptons lower grit stones for excactly this, the 320 kuromaku is a great rough stone. After that the 1k is decent, and i would stop on the 5k. they get very expensive on those higher grits. so the 1k/5k for maintenance, and the 320 for touchups and chips :) hope this helps
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 thanks for the informative sharing . my shapton 320 is on the way..will try to build my own combo set..yr recommendation is the same as what I am interested to try..thanks
If you use cellphone to record you can intall an app called Open Camera. It has the option to fixed focus point so you don't have to worry about focus going crazy during sharpening.
If you are using a professional camera it probably has the same option too.
Super vidéo !
I like this combo too, I tried to throw in the 1000 but somehow it screws up the edge, maybe it's just me, any thoughts?
Adding ekstra steps will always increase the chance of something going wrong. For regular sharpening an increase in 200 grit is unnecessary. For the 800 and 1k i would use either one, but never together. Other than that i have less experience on the 1k than the 800, since thats the one i tend to take out for work :)
@Lofoten Knifeworks ok that makes sense, 800 feels better than the 1k anyway, thank you sir! Keep up the good work!
@Raffie B @@lofotenknifeworks2278
Some users prefer the #1000 over the #800, saying it's only slightly slower and produces a better edge and finish... I was thinking that maybe I should have bought the #1000 instead of the #800... But reading you, I think I'll stay on the #800 ^^
Thank you for the video
Which flattening stone or lapping plate do you use to maintain the Chosera 800/3000?
thanks fo leaving a comment. I use a worn atoma 120 for the job. a new 120 would leave quite big scratches, and you would need a finer grit to even that out.
So which one should I choose to take good care of these new stone when I order them?
@@walter.bellini i would go for an atoma 140 or 400. The chosera stones comes with a rather large cleaning/maintenance stone as well :)
Love your videos! Would you recommend going with a Naniwa pro 5k after already obtaining 800 and 3k?
Love this stone combo. Might be my favorite aswell ❤
love the video
That is beautiful. Thank you for showcasing, i've been thinking about trying out a Naniwa chosera 800.
Have you ever tried Morihei fire series soak stone before?
No not the fire series unfortunately. But om surely going have a look now that you mention it :)
What microscope do you use to examine and photograph the edges with? I picked up Chosera 400, 800, and 3000 stones for myself and want to perform similar examinations to perfect my technique...
You dont really need much magnification to examine the edge. in fact most usb-microscopes will do you just fine. Thats the boring advice. If you are anything like me you will ignore that and have a look at a Kern OZL 468 with a digital camera. Its a bit on the pricier side, but if you can afford it it is great :)
My most used stone combo and also the one I recommend most. They're just so good.
My favorites are the Shapton Glass tho. For some reason I just like the feeling more
I understand you very well. For me its the nice elegant slim experience on one hand, and the large bulky kind of tradisjonal experience on the other :D
shapton glass is a higher performance stone with very similar level of friability and hardness to the chosera. Anyone that tells you a chosera cuts faster should put down the crack pipe. Choseras are more thirsty, and more expensive up front, but the amount of abrasive on the glass is obviously much less. SG also has courser options, but also more options in general. I think if someone is into traditional Japanese stuff, like you actually want and enjoy knives of obsolete and high maintence low performance steels like white and blue, then the chosera is your stone. If you enjoy more modern and higher performance and less maintenance side of things, ie not a hipster, then the SG is clearly the superior stone if money is no object. I have sets of both stones. I enjoy both. I just think the chosera is overhyed, usually by people who sell them but dont sell shaptons, surprise surprise, and is over suggested especially to newbs when they are expensive and more finicky than average user needs.
@@jeffhicks8428 uhm yea no definitely not. Absolut bs. I have used Shapton Glass and Naniwas for years and years. Naniwa are a good bit faster, polish as good as the SG and are more suited for harder steels. When it comes to carbide rich steels both stones should not be used tho. Honestly wondering if you bought the Superstone line from Naniwa. Especially because the Professional/Choseras are not thirsty but the Superstones are.
@@camorakidd_edc Superstones are true splash and go. They absorb no water. They can be used DRY. They wear decently well but have a soft hard-rubbery texture unlike other products because they are specialty items made for polishing. They are excellent polishers, which is what the entire line is meant to be used for.
Choseras are by far the most thirsty stones classified as Splash and go on the market. They are very hard but still quite friable, as evident by the mess many of them make which is obvious thanks to coloring agents. When you see green shit everywhere while using the 1k, you know it's pretty friable. The whole point of these things is have the vibe of traditional waterstone while being a modern sng. Anyone that tells you they cut fast is a liar. They cut gently.
You sound like every other person that watches low info youtube videos and parrots the baseless claims made by the people who are trying to sell you something. I'd bet you've never used any of these items, I just dont understand why waste time making such comments. If you have, it's probably in the 1"x4" repackaged form resold to edc bros for half the price of the full size stones.
hi, do you sell any of your stones that you dont need, higher grit, like 1000,3000,5000 ? Regards!
nice video, made a comment for the algorithm ;) greets from belgium
I collect them also. I believe the choseras are the most overhyped stones on the market, especially this particular combo. Choseras are good for folks who are into the whole "traditional" Japanese knife thing, want something that will have the mojo of a traditional waterstone but performance and use like a modern high quality sng. I don't find them comparable to shapton pro. They are both very hard stones, but the SP is a bit harder, much less friable, but still cuts just as well. More similar in hardness and friability to shapton glass ,very very similar there, nearly identical, but the shapton glass clearly cuts much faster and more aggressive which makes it better suited to stainless steels and less well suited to carbon steels especially delicate items like razors.
The issue with this combo is they're both sharpening stones. the 800 is the most course sharpener in the chosera line and the 3000 is the finest one. Most people don't need all that, they just need 1 sharpening stone, would be better off getting a course stone or a finishing stone if they can only have 2 stones. And lets be honest the 400 chosera, most course stone in the line, is still about as fine as something like a 1k cerax, which is a very friable and messy soaking stone good for wide bevels and sharpening with light pressure. Just using that as an example. It's easy to just use a 400 chosera then a finisher and have great edges. I can easily get hair splitting, hair popping double digit bess from just a 400 chosera and a few strops on a SS. The 3000 is very fine shapener, leaves a very nice finish, but as a sharpener its very very slow. It's great for a deburring stone though, if you don't want high polish from finisher. If I was suggesting two stone combo to newb I wouldn't suggest chosera at all, but if I did probably 400 and 1k or 600 and 2k is a better bet. That way you get two different types of stones rather than 2 sharpening stones. Any of the jumps is fine for a knife of course, you can do 400 to 3k and be done also. You just need 1 of each type really. Naniwa does say the 2k and 3k are a separate category for "fine sharpener" or "touch up" though but still classifies as sharpening stone. 800 to 3000 chosera is almost like 1k to 2k in a shapton pro. They're not that far apart really. If you want a slow course stone and slow sharpening stone 800 and 3k is good, otherwise you will have 1 fast sharpener and slow sharpener 1 touch up, deburring stone.
Still ONE of my favourite combos 😁. There are offcourse other as well. That being said the shapton 320 is one of my most used coarse stones. Being rivaled only by the suehiro ld-21 :) i have a few lesser know brands also lined up for this series so I hope you stick by. Thanks for the comment, feedback and have a great weekend 😁
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I have every Chosera, and like you all mine except the 10k are on the base(since 10k never came on a base) since i prefer they are a little thicker than the Pro chosera without a base. I must say the 800grit is the least favorite and least used for me. I have found the $1k to just be better everywhere from tactical feel, and feedback but i do not know how consistent they can vary in their production. Stones that really stand out in that set for me are the 400, 1k, 2k, 3k and it took awhile to break in but once it did that 5k really started to become a great stone and though its may seem like a high jump, it sets u up for the 10k perfectly. Ive used the 400 and 2k so much im on my third 400, and second 2k