Towing fuel economy is a area I hope your planning on testing to compare the 2022 Tundra gas and hybrid versions vs the 2021 Ford Hybrid F150 towing the same weight and testing conditions. Toyota needs a 30amp 3000w 110v/220v inverter for the Tundra hybrid model.
@@icare7151 For sure. I'm going to do the same loop, with the same trailer and hopefully around the same temp I did last year. I just need the weather to cooperate. Blowing 60 mph here today and then a blizzard tomorrow. Makes towing tough. LOL
@@Pickuptrucktalk Awesome! Living in Colorado Springs, CO on Cheyenne Mountain 🏔 @ 6800 ft, the Winter winds are brutal this season. We clocked winds over 100 mph over the last 4 weeks. Only a total of 4” of snow here on Cheyenne Mountain, a record low of snow this season with record high winds = extreme fire danger. We pray we don’t have a Boulder Colorado style fire event. Hopefully you can do a towing test with the Tundra Hybrid in the future as well. The towing mpg will be interesting. Many report towing with the F150 hybrid is virtually the same highway mpg as the non hybrid version with the same motor. Apparently the in town F150 hybrid towing does have only slightly better fuel economy than the non hybrid F150 with the same motor, towing the same weight, conditions, elevation etc. We praise Toyota for not offering the standard “two tone” under carriage oxidation called rust found on Ford and GM products even when new. Not acceptable Ford and GM.
I’ve had two F150s a 2004 XLT in black and my latest 2017 XLT also has the Lariat options in black with the gray lower panel and tan interior with the 3.5 Eco Boost twin turbo. I Love this truck, it’s me. Styling, function, ride the whole package. I love the chrome grill, it looks like a MACK truck, the chrome wheels, door handles. It’s gorgeous that’s what it is. I don’t like my trucks riding, looking and sounding like a truck. I can take my F150 anywhere and be proud of it. Proud that FORD is an American Family Company and building such outstanding products.
All trucks have their pros and cons. All trucks will eventually need work done to them. Just keep doing what your doing and showing us all the honest truth about them. And the tow hooks I 100% agree with. They are needed.
I will say with Toyota being all new. Reliability will have to stand on its own and earn its rating.. usually Toyota is more reliable. I don’t automatically give that to them. I will also say when known problems exist do they in time fix them? My opinion GM is horrible about doing that.
You want to talk about reliability show me a 1950's to the 1990's Toyota trucks still on the road today. Go to classic car shows I don't see any tundras there do you. I still have my 1974 GMC 1500 350V8 runs perfectly no issues. Funny I never seen a 1974 Tundra around oh wait they weren't around back then. American Trucks are the best.
@@WorldWar546 what does that tell you. Ford Gm and Dodge been making trucks for over 100 years. 1/2 ton 3/4 ton and 1 ton not to mention dually trucks. Toyota doesn't know how to make a truck so they copy. Don't waste your money on a Japanese p.o.s get yourself a real truck and stop playing with toys.
I just got a F150 a few days ago-not even a week. It and the Tundra were only competitors in the sub $60k spec’’s with Adaptive Cruise etc. Now just try and find a Tundra. You can’t. I have the 5.0 XLT and am still learning it’s features. Loving Sync 4-the power of its system, the flexibility it gives the owner.
Keep the same truck for 10 years ,and then come back and tell which truck is better built, more reliable, and has given you less trouble, all of them should be good out of the box .
I have had a 2022 Tundra for a few months now. I always buckle my seat belt so I fine the reminder very annoying! My driveway is a few hundred feet long and this annoying reminder drives me nuts before I even out of my driveway! There should be someway To adjust when the alarm begins and the duration of the alarm. Guess that will never happen! Thanks for reviewing this feature!
I'll be honest Tim, when I saw your video of the F150 powering your trailer, I thought that was the coolest thing ever and almost made me want to buy one.
The tow hooks thing is huge. Up in Canada the are used regularly in the winter or work great in a pinch for pulling on equipment etc when it's stuck. Huge oversight by Toyota.
@@Scuzeme1 There are very few wenches that would agree to be hung on the front of the truck. You'd surely get feminists completely up in arms. That's why putting a winch there would better - they never talk back and they are far less expensive in the long run.
I think Toyota was trying so hard to catch up with technology, they simply ignored the simple add ons that could become very convenient down the road. As I carefully watched Tim’s video, am wondering if I should go ahead and cancel my 1794 that I ordered?
I was planning to buy a 1794, but when it came in I was really underwhelmed by its looks due to the amount and the placement of the chrome. I know a lot of people like the chrome, so you might be fine with it. I decided not to take delivery and will consider the TRD Pro when they become available.
The first time I needed tow hooks was when I drove next to a septic sand mound… had KO2 tires on and sank like a stone, pulled out by my hooks by a super duty with hooks. Priceless.
Wow… Impressive As if there’s no other way to get out of a situation If you can’t figure something else out or find another place to hook onto you shouldn’t own a truck and I’m not defending Toyota I don’t understand why they didn’t put them on there either but quit bitching about it already
I purchased a 2021 F150 King Ranch Powerboost last March and now it has 11,000 miles. No rust on the rear diff or elsewhere and no rattles. Overall i love it. The only issue thus far has been the passenger seat massager went out and needed replacement. I’m averaging between 20 & 21 mpg, not too bad. I make a lot of short trips with it which seems to drag down the mpg. On longer trips it seems to get closer to the 24 rating.
That truck I love anyone who was able to purchase a 2021 King ranch power boost the layout from this truck from the leather inside the technology across the the board one of the most smoothest dynamic ride truck you will drive. got an advantage on everybody in the game this is the hardest truck and I do mean the hardest truck in the country to find and get if you got one of these you got yourself a truck that's going to last you and it's not a traitor
I have exactly the same F150 PowerBoost King Ranch model as you. I have 13,000 miles on it. No rattles, rust, or problems at all. I’m getting exactly the same mpg range as you. I use the power generator with my trailer and power whatever I want. When other folks ride in the truck and see the features, they end up putting the F150 on their buy list BUT… that nada/zip availability thing!
I held out for a couple years till the new tundra's came out. Super underwhelming and don't get the decisions they made. My 2022 f150 tremor will be here in 2 months. I would have bought Toyota, but they blew it for me.
I followed next gen tundra rumors for several years just to be severely underwhelmed. I have a F350 tremor 6.7L on order… probably won’t see it until summer though.
Auto 4x4 is missing, It's great to prevent wheel slip on rainy days at stop signs. Also for those winter days after the roads are plowed but there are occasional ice patches or partially covered roads
Im torn...I really wanted the new tundra but I have used tow hooks here in kansas so many times its literally a deal breaker. Plus the chrome on the trd off road package i would get. I love the way the trd sports looks not sure why they went with chrome on the off road. Hopefully they change some things. I have the awd highlander and the camry. Was hoping to trade the f150 but think im going to wait it out.
Can you tell me if all the limited 2022 tundra’s limited trd off road package has the wireless phone charger? If so how do you connect/hook it up. Not sure if they do - maybe mine doesn’t have that feature, can you please advise ? Thank you very much in advance.
You should have a slot to the right of the shifter below the center stack. If you put your phone against this plastic, you should see a green light turn on and the system will alert you. If you don't see anything, then you don't have it. It is an optional package on the Limited.
As much as I have been wanting to get the new tundra as I loved since the beginning they released the photos I decided to go with a V8 XLT F150. After looking at different trucks I just fell in love with the F150. Tundra was at the top of my list than fell to #3. f150 being 1 and Ram 2. Great videos keep it up!
@@sourasinphonemany7783 ? You lose all credibility, with a poorly written message. What are you talking about? Fords 10 speed? It has been solid, except for a select few trucks. Those, were mostly produced in the new generation, and during Covid.
You won't regret that. The coyote motor in the Ford is the way to go. Fantastic truck. They out sell every one else by like 1000 percent. LoL. Dodge is garbage. Toyota is fantastic but I'd still by a Ford
I ordered an F350 7.3l 4x4 long bed. I have been waiting 3 months now. Meanwhile I’ve been looking at these new Tundras. I get all the GOOD you are saying Tim - and please know - I am very much a Toyota guy - but I just can’t pay $60k for a truck that’s not a big old 3/4 ton work truck. The Tundra is now like a car. I don’t want a car. I have gone down the road of calling dealers and trying to get in their Tundra allocation wait list. One guy in particular in Seattle was awesome about really searching for me. He found me a beauty. An SR5 Crew Max Long Bed 4x4 and it was Army Green and the pics looked pretty darn nice. He was getting it around Jan 15. Asked if I wanted to deposit $1000 on it since it was not presold. I asked for the total price. They were asking $5k above sticker plus some ridiculous $2k Executive Package which he couldn’t explain. Something about if the truck gets stolen they give me $3k. WTF?? Anyway. These Toyota dealers are fleecing us. This Tundra ain’t a $60k truck. It’s a $45k truck. My F350 XLT will come in cheaper than what that dealer wanted for a Tundra. Laughable since the 350 can haul a trailer with two Tundras sitting on top. The only thing the Tundra has better is mpg finally. Haha. Remember we complained about older 5.7 V8 mpg. I think they fixed it. But this ain’t no work truck. I plan to USE my work truck. My 350 will have about 3000 payload? Like far more than I’ll need. But when hauling stuff more is better. I recently drive a long bed 250 Lariat 3500 miles not towing all highway. It was a 7.3 Godzilla. Got 14.9 mpg across all those miles. And there were times where I was holding 85 smoothly at 2,000 quiet rpms. I am going to quit looking for Tundras and stick to my Ford. I can’t stand the way the Toyota dealers are fleecing us. My Ford dealer told me “when it comes in we’ll see what the sticker says and we’ll talk. We won’t mark it up and you can get the X Plan pricing from your job” (we buy only Fords at work). Ford dealer didn’t even hit my credit card for the deposit. He even gave me a couple jars of real beehive honey for my 85 year old mother in law. He calls me regularly to say hi and apologized about supply chain delays. Toyota guys are all looking for short term windfalls. Ford guy (at least mine) wants my LONG TERM business. Not just this truck. I’m done with the games. Oh and haha. When your Tundra gets stuck call me. I have two BIG tow hooks I can tether you too after we figure out where. I’ll put it in 4x4 and tank you out like a red headed stepson.
Personally I'm a Ford fan, having owned a Tundra 4x4, Sequoia 4x4, and Sienna AWD. My one question is whether the new Tundra has that system I've seen on the Tacoma that gets itself unstuck? (Crawl Control)
Great video. Truck is not ugly. The grille frame being chrome is awful. Color matched frames on the SR5/TRD Pro trims make the front perfect. No tow hooks is stupid. It's been months and still no options from Toyota. Inexcusable.
Tow hooks are must have equipment for a truck. I have never used it since I own my big suv over 7 years. But last week I used it twice when we went to ski yard, could not understand why taking the hooks away from a work horse.
@@darrylpaterick3108 I checked other UA-camr about tow hooks video, the air dam is on the way to mount anything/tools. Maybe wait till some aftermarket parts come up. Hopefully not too expensive.
I'm going to say this. When your talking power train what something feels like doesn't matter. I and most truck drivers could care less if it feels more powerful. The numbers are what matters not feeling.
Tim your updated opinion on: Biggest cab 1/2 ton? Smoothest riding 1/2 ton? Most comfortable seats 1/2 ton? Best HWY MPG 1/2 ton? With what engine and rear gear ratio ⚙️?
Biggest cabin? Hmm... maybe Ram by a nose. They are all about the same. Smoothest - Ram or Tundra Most comfortable seats - Nissan Titan. Best HWY - Chevy Silverado 3.0L Diesel. 3.23 rear axle.
You nailed it, i'm deciding between tundra and f150 and my list is the pretty close . i would add why on earth toyota still has transmission tunnel and no storage underneath the rear seat in hybrid model.
I’m 62 and am one of those peeps that drives a vehicle for 10 years and drives it into the ground. Reliability is my #1 priority. At my age I’m looking for my “last” vehicle that will tow my 3500 pound travel trailer just fine and comfortably cross country without me worrying about breakdowns. Any tips or suggestions for me? Thank you so much for the great reviews and content you create and share?
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thank you! The Nissan inclusions surprises the heck out of me; which Nissan? Ad which Chevy model(s)? Based on videos and what I've read, the Ram last on the list surprises me but, hey, that's based on information from videos and reports! 🙂 Thanks!
As a long time tundra fan, for every reason you mentioned my 21 lunar rock pro will be my last tundra. Unless they fix everything you discussed. I’m so miffed by these decisions.
I agree as well my 2021 tundra will be my last not so much for this video, but the price increase in SR5 trim being 5K more outta my price range now on 2022 tundras. I thought long and hard of just keeping my 2017 tundra forever especially since put on new brakes/rotors and new battery in 4 years and newer used tires, but bit the bullet and coughed up full msrp of 43K to get the 2021 tundra SR5 trim. Never in my wildest days was I ever going to spend over 40K on any new vehicle but did this time. Now, 2022 tundra apples to apples near 50K NO fricking way that is insane high for any vehicle to me.
@@mikekoch4932 I am with you. My 2021 TRD Pro double cab was $48,880 and a 2022 TRD Off road is $65,000?! F that. If you do the math I would have to drive my 2021 297,000 miles to break even on the entry cost. People complain about mpg but it’s what did you pay for the truck in the first place that matters.
A friend has a 2022 Tundra TRD and I have a 2015 Tundra TRD. We spend a lot of time in the west desert of Utah. While the 2022 is a fantastic truck in most regards, we have marveled at the issues related to the bumpers being plastic - portions of the rear bumper have been pulled off twice going through moderate ravines, and some of the plastic clips on the front bumper broke and the entire front bumper and grill assembly now rattle. Isn't TRD supposed to be an off-road package? :).
I started the video ready to disagree but in reality, it was an excellent comparison - fair and reasonable. One of the best so far on the 2022 Toyota Tundra.
Good video. The wimpy inverter, lack of tow hooks and side lighting really put me off. I'm amazed there isn't another competitor out there with something like the Powerboost inverter/generator setup. It seems so handy, especially so with campers!
If you want a generator then buy a generator While it might be some cool little gadget to stick on a truck… How many people actually use something like that on a regular basis? It’s just another gimmick and it’s sad to see Ford resort to crap like that instead of just sticking with making a good solid truck for a reasonable price like they used to do
@@tv-ke4lx Tons of people will utilize the Powerboost. Camping is more popular than ever, and the powerboost is perfect not just for boondocking at state parks but also for quick overnight stops in Walmart parking lots etc… Eliminating the need to carry a portable generator and especially fuel is a big deal. People are absolutely begging Ford to add it into the Superdutys for this exact reason. Same goes for Zone Lighting- I didnt even consider it when I bought my new Tremor, its now my favorite part of the truck and gets used everyday. Ford still builds a solid truck, they’ve just added features and value.
@@tv-ke4lx You don't have to buy it. There are lots of people who would use it, including our family for RV camping and for our trips out to the lake at our remote cabine. Not to mention contractors.......
@@tv-ke4lx why would I buy an external generator and take up valuable bed space and payload along with keeping up with its maintenance and not a truck that can do it all?
Hello, new subscriber. Hows the turning radius, parking in parking lots, and getting in the back once tailgate is open? Im looking at purchasing one this week. Thanks a lot for the great content.
Not only that, but that horrendous front end is sacrificing approach angle, to the tune of almost 5 degrees on the 2022 Tundra Trd Pro when compared to the 2021 Tundra Trd Pro.
My grandfather always said 4 wheel drive will get you stuck further from home, so when you need tow hooks… YOU REALLY NEED TOW HOOKS. And the bed access is another great observation. If Toyota wanted to really refine this generation of tundra, they will address both of those topics and I hope they do.
I live in northern Canada and we get alot of snow. I went off the road and used my front tow hooks on my tundra to pull it out. Otherwise if I didn't I would have had to wait hours for a tow truck. They need to add those tow hooks IMO for those who live in rural areas where trucks are actually used as trucks.
@@benmcintosh1234 Toyota is to worried about saving a few $$$ in production costs and are blind to the fact that people are just going elsewhere. I do not understand how they are in front of GM,Ford, and Ram as far as sales.
Agree 95% with the reasoning behind your complaints and praises of the truck. With your comment about hard buttons and people saying it’s not a truck thing… working and wearing gloves is a truck thing. Hard buttons work with gloves, touch screens not so much. No tow hooks is a big negative. Rear access with tailgate down is a big negative. A big power inverter would be very useful increasing its usability. Front tow hook story, had terrible winds a couple weeks ago. Trees down, power lines down, etc. after storm I was helping with cleanup and checking on neighbors. Was a tree down over the road. Strap to front tow hook and I pulled the tree out of the way so people can get down the road. Tow hooks on trucks is a must. Big big miss on Toyota there…
Same tow hooks story here... high winds downed a mature tree across our driveway a few months ago. Used tow hooks to move large chunks. Same thing happened a couple years ago when I was between trucks and it was a PITA clearing the drive. It's so much easier pulling with front vs rear due to visability and maneuvability. The comfort improvements in trucks are nice, but the manufacturers should remember they are a tool and need to be useful.
Hi Tim I`m a new subscriber. I`ve owned 2006,2007,20015,2017 Tundras. The last was a 4wd SR5. All were very solid trucks. Recently purchased a 2018 XLT sport with the Coyote. 2 reasons for the change. Much better gas mileage(5.7 vs 5.0) biggest factor I don`t have back aches anymore. Sport cloth seats are sooo comfortable!!!
I don’t think this truck is going to age well and I do believe it’s going to come up short in ultimate comparisons once the hype is over. Hard to say just looking at pics and videos but the interior looks cheap. Ram blows it away in that area. Also, where is the auto 4wd?
Used those front Tow Hooks 2 days ago to drag a Ford Edge out of traffic when a Friend failed to make the turn in snow and snapped her front passenger Tie Rod on a curb. Drive up behind her, hook up, pull her out. No silly 180 turn to get myself facing the correct direction.
Bang on Tim! Thank you for this comparison! Hopefully Toyota addresses the shortfalls that you pointed out because they are important to a lifetime truck owner like myself. No tow hooks and regular tailgate (after having two trucks with premium easy step ones) would be a dealbreaker. The light issue is a niggle but not a deal breaker but definitely worth note. Keep up the great stuff!!
I gotta say the onboard generator in the Ford is brilliant for people on areas where power goes out a lot. I’m on the Louisiana Gulf coast so……..yeah. I have a portable generator that wires to a transfer switch. It’s a pain in the ass to roll it out, put some gas in it, then the power comes on a couple hours later. Then I have to burn off the gas at some point so it doesn’t go bad in the tank. The truck is always right there. It always has gas. That’s just brilliant if you ask me.
Tow/recovery hooks or D rings should be a must on trucks and SUV. This equipment is more useful for getting out of trouble when your truck slides of the road way on a major Snow storm into the ditch. You need recovery points that is strong to get you out and safe.
I've got my Rock Warrior stuck once... We hooked a logging chain to the hitch and lifted it up and out. My wife sent me these videos for a real world review... Real world people are a little hard for me to stomach. No tow hooks, no parking lot illuminating lights, can't crawl into the bed without a built in ladder... They make a truck for these customers needs. They're called SUVs
Don’t need tow hooks. Don’t they offer the step that folds down under bumper to access the tailgate? I agree with the lighting. Our Nissan Pathfinder lights up the whole care when you walk up to it. The silver part on the grill is confusing when the wheel body trim is black. The chrome around window pillars is old looking.
I agree , Nick! They are all over the place with the trim colors. Silver on the grill and headlights. Chrome around the windows emblems, and handles(minus the black handle on tailgate🤷♂️) Matte black over wheels with gloss black on A- pillar….I’m exhausted just looking at it.
I use my F-150 day and night. I use the tailgate step daily (my old man knees and back appreciates the step). I love the perimeter lighting at night…it keeps me from stepping into puddles (my wife likes them, too). I use the tow hooks 6-8 times a year…usually to help others. I recently used my front tow hooks to pull out some shrubs. The Toyota is a very reliable grocery getter or for the occasional trip to a home improvement store.
Tim, the 2022 1794 and Platinum come with a power retracting bedstep at the corner of the rear bumper. Saw it on a dealer inventory review video. Also in new 2022 Tundra Brochure. Made by AMP Research according to Toyota's brochure.
Good job, Tim. I wholeheartedly agree. Another con for me and I don't think you mentioned it in this video but have in previous ones on the Tundra is the remote start and the key fob subscription. I am not sure if Toyota has changed that but that was a big negative for me.
@@Pickuptrucktalk A big on you left off though Tim is payload capacity is not good on the 2022 Tundra. The maximum payload is 1,940 pounds and that can only be obtained on the SR trim which then limits your towing capacity to 8,300 pounds max.
Looking to get some basic information on how to use the features of truck. For example when to use 4 wheel drive, can you switch while driving or you have to be completely stopped then switch. Typical brain dead stuff that most people take for granted. I just bought a 2022 tundra, but did not recess yet. So if you can do a video for beginners on this truck I would really appreciate that. I pick up bits and pieces from you other videos, but one comprehensive video would be really great.
You hit the nail on the head. I’m getting a new truck this year and it’s between the hybrid Toyota and the power boost Ford. The only thing I didn’t think about is the lighting. The generator is the biggest thing for me, I live in Florida and with hurricanes I think it be very beneficial.
I'm an RV'er plus we're building a remote cabin; for us, the Pro Power Onboard was a big big feature. Our new Lariat Powerboost is coming in the spring and we're over the top waiting for it. I've seen first hand what my brother's Powerboost is capable of while his family are RV dry camping (boondocking) with their RV and how he uses it at work.
reasons why I ordered a 22 F150 over the Tundra. Im not paying for remote start after 2 years. No tow hooks, No tailgate steps. Better infotainment system and I still want a V8. Thanks for sharing Tim!
Every fault you mentioned with the new tundra solidified why I’m keep my 2019 Tundra TRD Pro for a very long time. Very good key points. This is why I like this channel. Very honest and not biased.
Tim I started being obsessed with 2022 tubdra. Then after some research. I obsessed with finding 2022 ram 1500. I'm now switching lanes again, I'm concluding with a Ford F-150. I found a 2021 xlt , 5 liter, 9k miles 4x4 for $45k. Condition looks superb. I can send you a link. What do you think about that price? Should I just save up more and buy a new 22 or 23? Thanks. Love your videos.
Definitely agree about tow hook issue. It doesn’t cost much to add. For most (not all), a truck is a work vehicle and you most likely have a time to use them, I.e., off reading, working on the farm…. Thanks for the reviews you have provided on the 2022 Tundra. I have owned a Tacoma, Tundra and Forerunner over the years and have been extremely reliable. Yes, I even have a Ford F-250 Super Duty Diesel 6.7 which I love. I just don’t like diesel fuel prices…
Was in the market for a new truck for the last 4 months. Test drove GM, Ram, Tundra and Ford and I ended up picking up a 2018 F150 Platinum. I’m aware that Toyota is the leader in reliability but to me nothing quite drives like a Ford F-150.
You nailed it Tim. Bottom line is, this Tundra is a huge disappointment. It reminds me of how the Tahoe and Yukon became luxury grocery getters that are more expensive and less usable.
After more thought I have to agree. I was going to buy the new Tundra but not looking likely now. It’s a bad look when a prominent reviewer thinks the truck is ugly. Even more so when apparently there are Toyota engineers unhappy with the tow hook situation. How are consumers supposed to have confidence in a product when the maker does not. I guess I’ll stick with GM.
@@Nk-bc1qb Man, I agree 1,000,000% on what you said. Why would you buy stuff and talk s#!t about it. I owned a 07 tundra and a prius and never let me down. Just change tires and oil and it will run forever!
@@Nk-bc1qb I agree 100% and I bet the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the Tundra will outlast any EcoBoost engine out there and the Tundra is made in Texas not in Japan so there for its American as well. But however since you American harshly is it just me or do you sound anti-American. Also I have a 1996 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 210,000 miles and still going strong 💪. The only things I replaced on my truck was the starter, the rear fuel pump, and the power steering megunisum but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance, took out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since. I also have a Ford 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 144,000 miles and still going strong as well and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK.
@@Nk-bc1qb Toyota reliability isn't what it used to be and that was always a myth. Tacoma frames, highlander issues, new Tacoma issues, list goes on. People are brainwashed into paying more for Toyota like apple has done to it's sheep
For all the people in the snow states there’s a chance you’ll be in the ditch and need pulled out or need to pull someone out. Yeah, you can use the hitch, but sometimes you can only get to the front
In the market for new 1/2 ton. Test drove a new Tundra Limited, F150 XLT and Nissan Titan Pro-4X. The Titan was the best inside and out followed by the F150. The Tundra had impressive technology and power but plastic, plastic and more plastic. I mean most have it just the Tundra felt like something found in a 25K vehicle, IMO
Agreed, it's the same issue I had when test driving it..it felt like it was all just cheap ass plastic every where, and fit and finish were not great either.
I own a 21 nissan titan pro4x luxury. Out of all the full size trucks I've owned the titan is the family favorite overall. Each truck had there quirks and advantages but overall as whole titan is our fav.
Do you think Ram 1500 will make a Hybrid like the F150 Powerboost? I understand Ram may make a all electric Ram 1500, but in my opinion you can not tow effeicently with a all electric vehicle.
I own a 2022 f150 powerboost. Xlt. XTR package. 302a.i couldn't be happier. It's not uncommon to see 8.8-even 7.6 L/100kms on the drives that are 100kms plus on ideal roads. My km to empty go up from start to finish. The 7.2 kw is another gem. The motor is phenomenal in the power department
I bought a 2020 trailboss. Within 6 months it was in the shop with bent rods and busted lifters. Took a month to rebuilt the engine. I traded it back in as soon as I got it back. Good luck with yours. I’ll never buy another GM product and I’m telling anyone that’ll listen not to buy one. Traded it for a 21 ranger and I couldn’t be happier to get rid of a junk truck for a good one
@@lesterparker1594 I had a ranger and that engine/transmission had so many problems. Failures at low miles. I'd definitely not buy a ford or chevy they are both horrible built vehicles.
@@fireant1272 I did tons of research. Not many common problems on the ranger. All companies put out bad vehicles, including Toyota. I’ve had mine almost a year and it’s been perfect along with most of them too hat have been bought the past 3 years. I’ll take this ranger over a GM product any day
@@lesterparker1594 I did alot of research also. But a vehicle that hasn't been out long the research is kinda pointless. I'd trade that thing in before the warranty expires. All newer fords have been unreliable pos. My dad had a f150 3.5 ecoboost the turbo alternator exhuast manifold and timing chain needed replaced under 48k miles.
@@fireant1272 I’ve always had good luck with fords. Both I had I drove for 10+ years and 200k miles. I’m pretty confident this one will make it too. Only time will tell.
Mike said his customers don’t need a locker … they don’t …. Power to run a saw , lights , power house during a storm, tundra owners don’t need tow hooks , or even a hitch , mike thinks we don’t even need 4x4 his customers feed back has let them know , tundra owners don’t storage , or anything that a truck needs … thee online research has let Toyota of Japan know that … tundra owners need a v-6 turbo that’s exactly what Texas owners want !!! Texas men don’t want a v8 …. This truck has forced me as super most loyal Toyota owner to go buy a tremor !!! Thanks mike and Toyota !!!
Toyota is and has been out-of-touch with 1/2 ton pickup buyers. They might as well throw the towel in like Nissan and focus on midsize pickups. They will be dead last in sales again, along with Nissan.
Ehhh as much as I love V8’s I’ll take forced induction. Technology has advanced and Toyota knows what they’re doing. Would still like for them to add a V8 later on
I'd go 2022. The difference between the 21 and 22 are night and day. If you were towing a lot or doing something more taxing than a small boat, I'd consider the 5.7L V8 for sure.
On TFL truck, same truck as yours, just barley beat the Ram 5.7 and that's way above sea level where it drains some power from naturally aspirated motors. I would like to see a straight comparison of this truck vs the Fords 3.5 EcoBoost.
If my local Ford dealer would get some inventory, I'd do a straight comparison. He hasn't had a new F-150 for me to borrow for months. All I get from the week-long press loans are hybrids.
How? The TFL guys said they felt the truck had more power available climbing the hill than the RAM. Tundra RPMs were lower… running in higher gear than the RAM. Also some people said all the FCA vehicles show the same minimum MPG on the instrument panel, 4.7 mpg.
Tim- great video as usual. I am in the market for either a Ford or Toyota so your video was timely. So from you video- F150 positives are lighting around the truck, power on board, Styling (step up to tailgate), and Infotainment. Tundra - Build qaulity, power, ride quality and overall engineering. I may be wrong but the Toyota positives completely outweigh the F150 positives. Which manufacturers would be more difficult to try and achieve the other's positives... I think it would be much more difficult for Ford to address overall engineering, build quality etc. Whereas, it would be easy for Toyota to add additional lighting, power on-board, step up to tailgate, etc. To me, if this is your top 5 for each manufacturer, then Toyota clearly wins.
I have a 5.0L F150 that has been bullet proof going on 125K miles. oil changes, filters and tires. I also have an ecoboost expedition that is going on 97K miles. it has been bullet proof as well. Haven't had any of the timing chain/cam phaser problems yet. I have a family member who has owned two tundras and both went over 250K miles with zero major maintenance, granted he is a high milege per year kind of driver. Point being, they are both good trucks. Honestly, all the brands make "good" trucks relative to yesteryears. I think the question is not F150 vs Tundra vs Silverado, etc....It is do you prefer V8 NA vs. twin turbo V6. Longer term reliability and higher gas bill, or possibly more maintenance with lower gas bill. Every truck is going to have features benefits you like or dislike over another brand. Although no tow hooks on 4x4 vehicles from Tundra is the definition of insanity to me. Brain dead decision on that one.
@@co457 you’re right, except don’t include the Silverado in there. My 2020 trailboss had the engine rebuilt before 8k miles. Rods and lifters. It’s junk. Don’t include it with ford and Toyota
@@co457 Really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I now have a better understanding of the 2 brands and what to consider- THANK YOU. I guess the question is... I know that Turbos based on their make up cannot be as reliable over the long term... the question is did Toyota do anything in the manufacturing of their Turbo to ensure it will be near the reliability of it's previous V-8 engine? Again, thanks so much.
Last year I bought a Tundra and it was piece of junk! After 8 days I couldn’t take it anymore & I took it back to the dealership - it cost me a couple of grand but they took it back! Then I walked across the street & bought a Lariat & I love it.
I've got 180k miles on my 2013 f150 lariat. No major issues and it runs close to new still. No rust underneath either, but I don't live in an area where the roads are salted much.
I do live in a “ rust belt “ northern Maine , we sand and salt the roads. My 2016 F150 super crew LB 5.0 has 194,000 miles . Not one speck of rust on the body. My back up camera went at 170,000. I have an intermittent check engine light, transmission cooler lines at 170,000 . Otherwise brake sand tires and Plugs 2 times.
Big dissapointment for me in the tundra is the back seats. After living with the fully flat floor in the f150 I just couldnt live with that giant built in box that isnt removable and the giant trans tunnel. Cant beat being able to place large items in the cab for example a milwaukee packout rolling case which doesnt fit under a tonneau cover.
Rather interesting to hear negativity about the fixed storage space under the back seat..as so many customers complained about the flat floor and not having a storage box that Toyota had to do something after 14yrs of people complaining about not having the storage box..of course then Toyota made the bad decision to then use that storage space for batteries on the hybrid model..just unbelievable really..the type of battery choosen takes large amounts of space and they didn't want the battery to suffer from cold weather issues like other competitors models by placing batteries outside the cab..How about that 120 volt 400 watt power outlet in the bed..I guess it could be used for a cellphone charger but that's about it..Why not put a full 15amp 120volt normal outlet that could be used for power tools or camping etc..and zero tow hooks..unbelievable choices..
@@jeffmichiels251 the F150 floor is so good I’m amazed it doesn’t get mentioned more. I use it all the time for my gym bags, dog and general storage. I see the tundras box back there on the old and new and I’m amazed no complains about it. I would
@@michaelfsadni6917 exactly…I also use mine for dog kennels that can sit flat on my f150 floor and many other things that I can haul back there because there IS a flat floor.
I couldn't agree with you more on the lousy rear bumper design making it even more difficult to get in the bed. I'm in my mid fifties with 32 years as a carpenter behind me and I use that corner of the bumper to step on all the time to climb in. That's gone in the new Tundra. Also, the tow hooks... Absolutely mind boggling. I just got my 2017 Tundra stuck off the edge of a driveway in mud and snow backing in my 20' trailer. A worker on site used an excavator to hook onto my tow hooks and pull me out. There would have been no way to get under the truck to hook on to anything. It was buried. This plus the truck is so ugly in the front end, I'd be embarrassed to drive it, I will not buy another Tundra. I've owned four Tundras and one Tacoma since 1998. They are losing a long term customer because of poor design.
They are not the best at listening to their customers. You and I both use our Tundra's for work. One thing they excel at is quality. In 14 years of owning a Tundra I've only been let down once with a worn out starter. Down time is expensive. I can't say the same for the Dodge and Fords that I've had. Stick with Toyota.
@@MBTUE You are correct about the quality. That is a real concern for me as, like you said, down time is expensive. I will probably go with a heavy duty truck as they are somewhat more reliable than the 1/2 ton versions. For the price of the new Tundra, I can get a 3/4 ton domestic. I have a couple years before I have to make that decision, so I'll see if Toyota corrects any of the design flaws.
Disagree on the looks because I think it looks great as long as you do not go with the chrome grill surround. It needs to be color matched like the TRD PRO.
I think your spot on for hard buttons on certain controls: fan speed, heat/cool. Muscle memory. I don't want to navigate through a touch screen to change certain things. No matter how you look at it, touch screens are disruptive for keeping your eyes on the road. Hopefully, you don't have to make that spit second decision while scrolling through all your screens to turn on the defroster.
You nailed it! I agree with you 100% on the differences between the two. I thought that you were going to miss the crappy styling issues on the the Tundra,, but nope you got that one too! The only minor difference in my opinion and yours is the cheesy fake exhaust sound. I’ll never be on board with that. I’ve owned too many V8 muscle cars to agree with the replicated muscle sound. Excellent video though. I’ll be there for your next one.
One question dealers haven't been able to answer me on and maybe one of your engineer contacts could help with is can the 2022 tundra be equipped with a snow plow as it's now a turbo. Ford only recommends plowing with their V8 as the ecoboost engines intercooler is blocked by a plow.
Great honest review, the chrome all over the truck is virtually a deal breaker for me aesthetically. Also not crazy about 60k OTD for a mid level truck. Disappointing.
Tim is it me or does the oil pressure read on the lower side? Is this reading live oil pressure or is it like the early 2005 F150's where it was a preset, if oil pressure is present then it indicates a preset pressure? My 2020 Tundra moves accordingly based on RPM.
I’ve owned several Tundras, but I cannot understand why the Toyota engineers decided to remove tow hooks. I’m off road a lot and wouldn’t have a sense of security knowing there gone. Cmon Toyota let’s get em back on for 2023….
I definitely agree with your list Tim. But what I really don't like about the new Tundra is they did just enough changes to become competitive again with the other brands, but based off their track record they won't make major changes again for another 7 to 10 years. While the others like ford are more adaptive and can make bigger changes every 3-5 years. So once again in a few years the Tundra will go back to the end of the line when it comes to competitiveness and will still cost and arm an a leg for being outdated. I love Toyota but they really need to start adjusting their way of thinking and listen more to the consumers ( they say they do but their lack of feature doesn't reflect that), or my current 2014 Tundra will be the last Toyota I buy in the future.
This is spot on. Toyota is in the stone age of design. They think that their customer base doesn't care, but they do. Look at what happened with chevy ignoring interior styling for the past 6 years. Those buyers went to Ram and Ford. The interior of the Tundra looks like a bigger version of the Rav 4. That is not what not truck buyers want these days.
@@cwqrpportable mine is patriot blue split tailgate one of the best features on this truck my golf clubs almost fall out is so convenient. Air ride is awsome I have a 87 year old father in law said he would love to get in but didn't think he could I lowered it to entry exit mode he almost fell in he had a big smile .it was awsome he is a great guy
The impression that tundra is solid has been evading me, honestly. Of all the new and pre-owned pre-2022 Tundra I drove, all but one had wiggly brake pedal, always some play. All had wiggly shifter housing/box. When you shift the gated shifter, that while assembly moves. Then on top, the excessively hefty body roll just make you tired and feel like riding an elephant. It sure may be 2500-ish for a 1500 truck but cumbersome and fat and jiggly
I've felt this also, I would never buy a Tacoma, 4Runner because of the DATED underpinnings they keep using from the 80's. Their ride/handling give me a headache. Tundra is better yet far from perfect.
Odd, I haven't had this issue. I just got a brand new trd pro this month. Everything is rock solid. I've even got the center console safe and everything is bolted down.
Another great video Tim ! After listening to likes and dislikes anyone would be better off with the Tundra. Build quality etc should be the number one thing when buying any vehicle.
I am a huge Toyota fan, but pretty much all you said I agree with and Toyota better fix all these things next year. Some one that likes Toyota but is not a huge fan will likely not buy a Tundra over a F-150 over all the missing features.
Great comments.. 1. Hybrid vs non. Toyota is putting there battery under the back seat. Where to you put anything in the Toyota hybrid? Mini van has more battery power, wow that’s sad. 2. All you’re points are spot on, I love your channel. Keep up the good work. 3. You solve problems and build things in your truck. Ford is killing it with real life. 3. Exhaust noise. I don’t like talking over my truck noise. Im glad the does is quiet not making more noise. I want quiet and fast.. 4. I’ll buy a ford, I’m sad that Toyota didn’t really step it up. 5. The bed step in really sucks, this is a huge miss, Toyota has always been lame with features cutting. You also had a hybrid for the same price.
I actually build the engine (V6T) for the Toyota Tundra. It is only made in 1 facility in the country. You left off 3 trim levels in your opening statements for the Tundra. You have the Platinum, TRD PRO and the 1794 edition of the Tundra that are above the Limited. Hope you enjoy the truck!
It’s crazy. I agree, But the entire front end is plastic…I don’t like the fact they don’t put a bumper on the front. But some people like it…and I think it looks pretty good. Not the best looking truck. But it’s grown on me
I have driven a pile of F-150's and currently own a Toyota Tacoma.. I really struggle and still have never gotten used to Toyotas quirkiness with every feature and button placement in the truck. I feel confused with radio channel/ volume control on the wheel is opposite etc, and the gimmick camera quality is straight from Fischer Price.. Good solid review.
This is the first time I’ve left a comment on your channel, because I felt compelled to let you know that I really appreciate your perspective and honesty on these comparisons. I really hope that your points make it all the way up the food chain at Toyota, because they have a way of doing things in a vacuum. Which is I think I downfall in their culture.
So I wonder if he had a Lariat, like I do, if he would have liked the interior better. When I walk up to my truck, and the lights turn on when I get close to it, as if it’s greeting me, I smile every time! There are more exterior lights on the Ford, and they are down right useful. I would be shocked if that Tundra is faster than the ford, which smokes every other truck in a 1/4 mile race.. it is shockingly fast. Yes the old man step is useful, interior and exterior lighting is useful, the self driving cruise control with the 360 cameras, are just plain useful. The fords tech is not gimmicky! It is just plain useful. I wouldn’t trade my 2021 F-150 Lariat for anything besides another one!
I live in Quebec and i can tell you that in winter, everybody uses the tow hooks at least one if not two times during winter. I can't understand that Toyota don't care about that.
So I would like to hear about what the subscriptions would cost after they expire for the new tundra, If I did my math right it would be 32 bucks a month to have everything active?
But but Toyota reliability and quality....lol newer Toyotas are nothing but problems. Marketing has screwed over anyone buying them into thinking it's a great brand
Do they seriously have bad interior rattles? Door rattles on gravel? All I’ve had is new duramax’s and they’ve all been good to about 20,000 miles. Then everything starts to rattle.
You’re honestly the only one who gives me hope I have a 2022 tundra SR5 on order. You’re the only one who is positive about this truck everyone else is just saying it’s nothing but problems. I hope you’re right
I 💯 agree! Toyota just doesn’t get it! They need a top down reorganization to get back to their roots. Most Toyotas are freak’n ugly now, with their horrid grills. I love the reliability, but the little things add up to a vehicle that’s undesirable to the masses.
Here is the video showing off the new Tundra including what I paid for it and more on the truck: ua-cam.com/video/we2tEBrR1kk/v-deo.html
Towing fuel economy is a area I hope your planning on testing to compare the 2022 Tundra gas and hybrid versions vs the 2021 Ford Hybrid F150 towing the same weight and testing conditions.
Toyota needs a 30amp 3000w 110v/220v inverter for the Tundra hybrid model.
@@icare7151 For sure. I'm going to do the same loop, with the same trailer and hopefully around the same temp I did last year. I just need the weather to cooperate. Blowing 60 mph here today and then a blizzard tomorrow. Makes towing tough. LOL
@@Pickuptrucktalk
True but that’s great testing weather though.
@@smrtguy77777 Yeah, no. LOL.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Awesome!
Living in Colorado Springs, CO on Cheyenne Mountain 🏔 @ 6800 ft, the Winter winds are brutal this season. We clocked winds over 100 mph over the last 4 weeks. Only a total of 4” of snow here on Cheyenne Mountain, a record low of snow this season with record high winds = extreme fire danger. We pray we don’t have a Boulder Colorado style fire event.
Hopefully you can do a towing test with the Tundra Hybrid in the future as well. The towing mpg will be interesting.
Many report towing with the F150 hybrid is virtually the same highway mpg as the non hybrid version with the same motor.
Apparently the in town F150 hybrid towing does have only slightly better fuel economy than the non hybrid F150 with the same motor, towing the same weight, conditions, elevation etc.
We praise Toyota for not offering the standard “two tone” under carriage oxidation called rust found on Ford and GM products even when new. Not acceptable Ford and GM.
I’ve had two F150s a 2004 XLT in black and my latest 2017 XLT also has the Lariat options in black with the gray lower panel and tan interior with the 3.5 Eco Boost twin turbo. I Love this truck, it’s me. Styling, function, ride the whole package. I love the chrome grill, it looks like a MACK truck, the chrome wheels, door handles. It’s gorgeous that’s what it is. I don’t like my trucks riding, looking and sounding like a truck. I can take my F150 anywhere and be proud of it. Proud that FORD is an American Family Company and building such outstanding products.
All trucks have their pros and cons. All trucks will eventually need work done to them. Just keep doing what your doing and showing us all the honest truth about them. And the tow hooks I 100% agree with. They are needed.
" All trucks will eventually need work done to them." While true... The caveat being.. Some less than others.
I will say with Toyota being all new. Reliability will have to stand on its own and earn its rating.. usually Toyota is more reliable. I don’t automatically give that to them. I will also say when known problems exist do they in time fix them? My opinion GM is horrible about doing that.
You want to talk about reliability show me a 1950's to the 1990's Toyota trucks still on the road today. Go to classic car shows I don't see any tundras there do you. I still have my 1974 GMC 1500 350V8 runs perfectly no issues. Funny I never seen a 1974 Tundra around oh wait they weren't around back then. American Trucks are the best.
@@daleradder7354 the Tundra came out in 2000 though?
@@WorldWar546 what does that tell you. Ford Gm and Dodge been making trucks for over 100 years. 1/2 ton 3/4 ton and 1 ton not to mention dually trucks. Toyota doesn't know how to make a truck so they copy. Don't waste your money on a Japanese p.o.s get yourself a real truck and stop playing with toys.
I just got a F150 a few days ago-not even a week. It and the Tundra were only competitors in the sub $60k spec’’s with Adaptive Cruise etc. Now just try and find a Tundra. You can’t.
I have the 5.0 XLT and am still learning it’s features. Loving Sync 4-the power of its system, the flexibility it gives the owner.
Which sub 60k ford package includes adaptive cc?!
Keep the same truck for 10 years ,and then come back and tell which truck is better built, more reliable, and has given you less trouble, all of them should be good out of the box .
I have had a 2022 Tundra for a few months now. I always buckle my seat belt so I fine the reminder very annoying! My driveway is a few hundred feet long and this annoying reminder drives me nuts before I even out of my driveway! There should be someway To adjust when the alarm begins and the duration of the alarm. Guess that will never happen!
Thanks for reviewing this feature!
I'll be honest Tim, when I saw your video of the F150 powering your trailer, I thought that was the coolest thing ever and almost made me want to buy one.
You should. Thanks a fantastic feature
I have one and it is cool. I can run everything in my trailer when boonie camping.
The tow hooks thing is huge. Up in Canada the are used regularly in the winter or work great in a pinch for pulling on equipment etc when it's stuck. Huge oversight by Toyota.
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Agreed
Here in Seattle, I haven't been in a truck in 30 years. LOL! But still I'm watching this. 🤣
Just use the saved funds from not having the truck in the shop like an f150 and put an aftermarket wench on the front. Problem solved.
@@Scuzeme1 There are very few wenches that would agree to be hung on the front of the truck. You'd surely get feminists completely up in arms. That's why putting a winch there would better - they never talk back and they are far less expensive in the long run.
I think Toyota was trying so hard to catch up with technology, they simply ignored the simple add ons that could become very convenient down the road. As I carefully watched Tim’s video, am wondering if I should go ahead and cancel my 1794 that I ordered?
I was planning to buy a 1794, but when it came in I was really underwhelmed by its looks due to the amount and the placement of the chrome. I know a lot of people like the chrome, so you might be fine with it. I decided not to take delivery and will consider the TRD Pro when they become available.
@BP well said ! Spot on.
Cancel it
@BP It won't.
Get a Ford f150
The first time I needed tow hooks was when I drove next to a septic sand mound… had KO2 tires on and sank like a stone, pulled out by my hooks by a super duty with hooks. Priceless.
Wow… Impressive
As if there’s no other way to get out of a situation
If you can’t figure something else out or find another place to hook onto you shouldn’t own a truck and I’m not defending Toyota
I don’t understand why they didn’t put them on there either but quit bitching about it already
Ford just makes a better truck. They have something for every type of driving enthusiast.
I purchased a 2021 F150 King Ranch Powerboost last March and now it has 11,000 miles. No rust on the rear diff or elsewhere and no rattles. Overall i love it. The only issue thus far has been the passenger seat massager went out and needed replacement. I’m averaging between 20 & 21 mpg, not too bad. I make a lot of short trips with it which seems to drag down the mpg. On longer trips it seems to get closer to the 24 rating.
That truck I love anyone who was able to purchase a 2021 King ranch power boost the layout from this truck from the leather inside the technology across the the board one of the most smoothest dynamic ride truck you will drive. got an advantage on everybody in the game this is the hardest truck and I do mean the hardest truck in the country to find and get if you got one of these you got yourself a truck that's going to last you and it's not a traitor
I have exactly the same F150 PowerBoost King Ranch model as you. I have 13,000 miles on it. No rattles, rust, or problems at all. I’m getting exactly the same mpg range as you. I use the power generator with my trailer and power whatever I want. When other folks ride in the truck and see the features, they end up putting the F150 on their buy list BUT… that nada/zip availability thing!
@@joeurway2840 Looks like we bought at the right time! I love the generator capabilities. Already powered my house during an outage 😊
Better than my 3rd gen Tacoma will ever get.
Great review out of all the current 2021 2022 full size trucks which one is your favorite?
None. I like them all for different reasons.
I held out for a couple years till the new tundra's came out. Super underwhelming and don't get the decisions they made. My 2022 f150 tremor will be here in 2 months. I would have bought Toyota, but they blew it for me.
Me too.
I followed next gen tundra rumors for several years just to be severely underwhelmed. I have a F350 tremor 6.7L on order… probably won’t see it until summer though.
@@Painfulwhale360 Chip shortage sucks!
Really disappointed in new Tundra as well. I have a 2015 Tundra Limited and will hold on for a few more years. Next vehicle won't be a Tundra.
@@Buddyclub33 Amen!
Auto 4x4 is missing, It's great to prevent wheel slip on rainy days at stop signs. Also for those winter days after the roads are plowed but there are occasional ice patches or partially covered roads
XLT does not have Auto 4x4 either. Lariat and up do.
@@andyd5492 yeah I’m willing to bet the new Capstone model will be equipped with a 4A transfer case.
I had auto 4wd in the XLT IIRC.
@@andyd5492 I have a 22 F150 powerboost XLT and it has auto 4x4
@@mattbrew11 interesting, Ford only calls out 4A in Lariat and above, so maybe it can be specifically optioned on Powerboost equipped models?
Im torn...I really wanted the new tundra but I have used tow hooks here in kansas so many times its literally a deal breaker. Plus the chrome on the trd off road package i would get. I love the way the trd sports looks not sure why they went with chrome on the off road. Hopefully they change some things. I have the awd highlander and the camry. Was hoping to trade the f150 but think im going to wait it out.
Can you tell me if all the limited 2022 tundra’s limited trd off road package has the wireless phone charger? If so how do you connect/hook it up. Not sure if they do - maybe mine doesn’t have that feature, can you please advise ? Thank you very much in advance.
You should have a slot to the right of the shifter below the center stack. If you put your phone against this plastic, you should see a green light turn on and the system will alert you. If you don't see anything, then you don't have it. It is an optional package on the Limited.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thank you for the information - I appreciate it.
The no Tow hook deal is simply incomprehensible to me. WTF?
I completely agree. I would expect that from Honda but definitely not Toyota with its off road roots.
As much as I have been wanting to get the new tundra as I loved since the beginning they released the photos I decided to go with a V8 XLT F150. After looking at different trucks I just fell in love with the F150. Tundra was at the top of my list than fell to #3. f150 being 1 and Ram 2. Great videos keep it up!
i work at the ford shop for 18 year the ford have many problem with trans and coolant leak and timing change that mean suck
You’ll regret it in the long run. 👍🏼
@@rayrdelle Rams reliability SUX..
@@sourasinphonemany7783 ? You lose all credibility, with a poorly written message. What are you talking about? Fords 10 speed? It has been solid, except for a select few trucks. Those, were mostly produced in the new generation, and during Covid.
You won't regret that. The coyote motor in the Ford is the way to go. Fantastic truck. They out sell every one else by like 1000 percent. LoL. Dodge is garbage. Toyota is fantastic but I'd still by a Ford
I ordered an F350 7.3l 4x4 long bed. I have been waiting 3 months now. Meanwhile I’ve been looking at these new Tundras. I get all the GOOD you are saying Tim - and please know - I am very much a Toyota guy - but I just can’t pay $60k for a truck that’s not a big old 3/4 ton work truck. The Tundra is now like a car. I don’t want a car. I have gone down the road of calling dealers and trying to get in their Tundra allocation wait list. One guy in particular in Seattle was awesome about really searching for me. He found me a beauty. An SR5 Crew Max Long Bed 4x4 and it was Army Green and the pics looked pretty darn nice. He was getting it around Jan 15. Asked if I wanted to deposit $1000 on it since it was not presold. I asked for the total price. They were asking $5k above sticker plus some ridiculous $2k Executive Package which he couldn’t explain. Something about if the truck gets stolen they give me $3k. WTF?? Anyway. These Toyota dealers are fleecing us. This Tundra ain’t a $60k truck. It’s a $45k truck. My F350 XLT will come in cheaper than what that dealer wanted for a Tundra. Laughable since the 350 can haul a trailer with two Tundras sitting on top. The only thing the Tundra has better is mpg finally. Haha. Remember we complained about older 5.7 V8 mpg. I think they fixed it. But this ain’t no work truck. I plan to USE my work truck. My 350 will have about 3000 payload? Like far more than I’ll need. But when hauling stuff more is better. I recently drive a long bed 250 Lariat 3500 miles not towing all highway. It was a 7.3 Godzilla. Got 14.9 mpg across all those miles. And there were times where I was holding 85 smoothly at 2,000 quiet rpms. I am going to quit looking for Tundras and stick to my Ford. I can’t stand the way the Toyota dealers are fleecing us. My Ford dealer told me “when it comes in we’ll see what the sticker says and we’ll talk. We won’t mark it up and you can get the X Plan pricing from your job” (we buy only Fords at work). Ford dealer didn’t even hit my credit card for the deposit. He even gave me a couple jars of real beehive honey for my 85 year old mother in law. He calls me regularly to say hi and apologized about supply chain delays. Toyota guys are all looking for short term windfalls. Ford guy (at least mine) wants my LONG TERM business. Not just this truck. I’m done with the games. Oh and haha. When your Tundra gets stuck call me. I have two BIG tow hooks I can tether you too after we figure out where. I’ll put it in 4x4 and tank you out like a red headed stepson.
That is a lot to read
but thank you 👌
I have not seen a long bed of anything for years 😳
Personally I'm a Ford fan, having owned a Tundra 4x4, Sequoia 4x4, and Sienna AWD. My one question is whether the new Tundra has that system I've seen on the Tacoma that gets itself unstuck? (Crawl Control)
Great video. Truck is not ugly. The grille frame being chrome is awful. Color matched frames on the SR5/TRD Pro trims make the front perfect.
No tow hooks is stupid. It's been months and still no options from Toyota. Inexcusable.
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The truck is horrendously ugly
Tow hooks are must have equipment for a truck. I have never used it since I own my big suv over 7 years. But last week I used it twice when we went to ski yard, could not understand why taking the hooks away from a work horse.
Yes, much like 4WD for a lot of folks, who cares if you only need it once every 7 years --- when you do need it there is no substitute.
Just install a front reciever hitch.
@@darrylpaterick3108 You can't. For the same reason you can't just add tow hooks.
@@darrylpaterick3108 I checked other UA-camr about tow hooks video, the air dam is on the way to mount anything/tools. Maybe wait till some aftermarket parts come up. Hopefully not too expensive.
I'm going to say this. When your talking power train what something feels like doesn't matter. I and most truck drivers could care less if it feels more powerful. The numbers are what matters not feeling.
Tim your updated opinion on:
Biggest cab 1/2 ton?
Smoothest riding 1/2 ton?
Most comfortable seats 1/2 ton?
Best HWY MPG 1/2 ton? With what engine and rear gear ratio ⚙️?
Biggest cabin? Hmm... maybe Ram by a nose. They are all about the same.
Smoothest - Ram or Tundra
Most comfortable seats - Nissan Titan.
Best HWY - Chevy Silverado 3.0L Diesel. 3.23 rear axle.
You nailed it, i'm deciding between tundra and f150 and my list is the pretty close . i would add why on earth toyota still has transmission tunnel and no storage underneath the rear seat in hybrid model.
Ordered a 22 lariat sport for these reasons. Toyota Messed up on this one.
I’m 62 and am one of those peeps that drives a vehicle for 10 years and drives it into the ground. Reliability is my #1 priority. At my age I’m looking for my “last” vehicle that will tow my 3500 pound travel trailer just fine and comfortably cross country without me worrying about breakdowns. Any tips or suggestions for me?
Thank you so much for the great reviews and content you create and share?
Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, Ford, Ram in that order.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thank you! The Nissan inclusions surprises the heck out of me; which Nissan? Ad which Chevy model(s)? Based on videos and what I've read, the Ram last on the list surprises me but, hey, that's based on information from videos and reports! 🙂 Thanks!
@@richarde1355 Titan and Silverado 1500. I was listing full-size trucks. Hard to break it down to specific trims and engines.
As a long time tundra fan, for every reason you mentioned my 21 lunar rock pro will be my last tundra. Unless they fix everything you discussed. I’m so miffed by these decisions.
I agree as well my 2021 tundra will be my last not so much for this video, but the price increase in SR5 trim being 5K more outta my price range now on 2022 tundras. I thought long and hard of just keeping my 2017 tundra forever especially since put on new brakes/rotors and new battery in 4 years and newer used tires, but bit the bullet and coughed up full msrp of 43K to get the 2021 tundra SR5 trim. Never in my wildest days was I ever going to spend over 40K on any new vehicle but did this time. Now, 2022 tundra apples to apples near 50K NO fricking way that is insane high for any vehicle to me.
@@mikekoch4932 I am with you. My 2021 TRD Pro double cab was $48,880 and a 2022 TRD Off road is $65,000?! F that. If you do the math I would have to drive my 2021 297,000 miles to break even on the entry cost. People complain about mpg but it’s what did you pay for the truck in the first place that matters.
A friend has a 2022 Tundra TRD and I have a 2015 Tundra TRD. We spend a lot of time in the west desert of Utah. While the 2022 is a fantastic truck in most regards, we have marveled at the issues related to the bumpers being plastic - portions of the rear bumper have been pulled off twice going through moderate ravines, and some of the plastic clips on the front bumper broke and the entire front bumper and grill assembly now rattle. Isn't TRD supposed to be an off-road package? :).
I started the video ready to disagree but in reality, it was an excellent comparison - fair and reasonable. One of the best so far on the 2022 Toyota Tundra.
Thanks. Glad I could cool your jets on fighting back. 😄
Good video. The wimpy inverter, lack of tow hooks and side lighting really put me off. I'm amazed there isn't another competitor out there with something like the Powerboost inverter/generator setup. It seems so handy, especially so with campers!
If you want a generator then buy a generator
While it might be some cool little gadget to stick on a truck… How many people actually use something like that on a regular basis?
It’s just another gimmick and it’s sad to see Ford resort to crap like that instead of just sticking with making a good solid truck for a reasonable price like they used to do
@@tv-ke4lx Tons of people will utilize the Powerboost. Camping is more popular than ever, and the powerboost is perfect not just for boondocking at state parks but also for quick overnight stops in Walmart parking lots etc… Eliminating the need to carry a portable generator and especially fuel is a big deal. People are absolutely begging Ford to add it into the Superdutys for this exact reason. Same goes for Zone Lighting- I didnt even consider it when I bought my new Tremor, its now my favorite part of the truck and gets used everyday. Ford still builds a solid truck, they’ve just added features and value.
@@tv-ke4lx You don't have to buy it. There are lots of people who would use it, including our family for RV camping and for our trips out to the lake at our remote cabine. Not to mention contractors.......
@@tv-ke4lx why would I buy an external generator and take up valuable bed space and payload along with keeping up with its maintenance and not a truck that can do it all?
@@tv-ke4lx exactly y thoughts along with everyone I know in the trades industry. Go buy a Honda generator and get better performance
Hello, new subscriber. Hows the turning radius, parking in parking lots, and getting in the back once tailgate is open? Im looking at purchasing one this week. Thanks a lot for the great content.
Even the big TRD PRO doesn't have toe hooks. Like what we're they thinking?
Not only that, but that horrendous front end is sacrificing approach angle, to the tune of almost 5 degrees on the 2022 Tundra Trd Pro when compared to the 2021 Tundra Trd Pro.
I guess it's just me but I don't how ppl can drop 60k for a truck. What is the payment $800-1000/month?
My grandfather always said 4 wheel drive will get you stuck further from home, so when you need tow hooks… YOU REALLY NEED TOW HOOKS. And the bed access is another great observation. If Toyota wanted to really refine this generation of tundra, they will address both of those topics and I hope they do.
I live in northern Canada and we get alot of snow. I went off the road and used my front tow hooks on my tundra to pull it out. Otherwise if I didn't I would have had to wait hours for a tow truck.
They need to add those tow hooks IMO for those who live in rural areas where trucks are actually used as trucks.
And thats how they get you suckered into getting the next generation.
@@benmcintosh1234 Toyota is to worried about saving a few $$$ in production costs and are blind to the fact that people are just going elsewhere. I do not understand how they are in front of GM,Ford, and Ram as far as sales.
@@Boobtube. they aren’t in the truck market!
@@TonkaFire2019 well, Toyota does make trucks, so I'd say they are in the truck market. Your statement makes no sense.
I wonder what the cloth seat comfort level is on the new Tundra. Sometimes cloth seats seem more comfortable than leather!
Agree 95% with the reasoning behind your complaints and praises of the truck. With your comment about hard buttons and people saying it’s not a truck thing… working and wearing gloves is a truck thing. Hard buttons work with gloves, touch screens not so much. No tow hooks is a big negative. Rear access with tailgate down is a big negative. A big power inverter would be very useful increasing its usability.
Front tow hook story, had terrible winds a couple weeks ago. Trees down, power lines down, etc. after storm I was helping with cleanup and checking on neighbors. Was a tree down over the road. Strap to front tow hook and I pulled the tree out of the way so people can get down the road. Tow hooks on trucks is a must. Big big miss on Toyota there…
Same tow hooks story here... high winds downed a mature tree across our driveway a few months ago. Used tow hooks to move large chunks. Same thing happened a couple years ago when I was between trucks and it was a PITA clearing the drive. It's so much easier pulling with front vs rear due to visability and maneuvability. The comfort improvements in trucks are nice, but the manufacturers should remember they are a tool and need to be useful.
Hi Tim I`m a new subscriber. I`ve owned 2006,2007,20015,2017 Tundras. The last was a 4wd SR5. All were very solid trucks. Recently purchased a 2018 XLT sport with the Coyote. 2 reasons for the change. Much better gas mileage(5.7 vs 5.0) biggest factor I don`t have back aches anymore. Sport cloth seats are sooo comfortable!!!
I don’t think this truck is going to age well and I do believe it’s going to come up short in ultimate comparisons once the hype is over. Hard to say just looking at pics and videos but the interior looks cheap. Ram blows it away in that area. Also, where is the auto 4wd?
Absolutely. Once the Toyota hype/propaganda machine settles down, it's over for the new Tundra. It will be dead last, along with the Nissan Titan.
Theres a reason that toyota has only ever outsold Nissan in half tons
Used those front Tow Hooks 2 days ago to drag a Ford Edge out of traffic when a Friend failed to make the turn in snow and snapped her front passenger Tie Rod on a curb. Drive up behind her, hook up, pull her out. No silly 180 turn to get myself facing the correct direction.
Bang on Tim! Thank you for this comparison! Hopefully Toyota addresses the shortfalls that you pointed out because they are important to a lifetime truck owner like myself. No tow hooks and regular tailgate (after having two trucks with premium easy step ones) would be a dealbreaker. The light issue is a niggle but not a deal breaker but definitely worth note. Keep up the great stuff!!
I gotta say the onboard generator in the Ford is brilliant for people on areas where power goes out a lot. I’m on the Louisiana Gulf coast so……..yeah. I have a portable generator that wires to a transfer switch. It’s a pain in the ass to roll it out, put some gas in it, then the power comes on a couple hours later. Then I have to burn off the gas at some point so it doesn’t go bad in the tank. The truck is always right there. It always has gas. That’s just brilliant if you ask me.
Tow/recovery hooks or D rings should be a must on trucks and SUV. This equipment is more useful for getting out of trouble when your truck slides of the road way on a major Snow storm into the ditch. You need recovery points that is strong to get you out and safe.
The frame cant handle it.
This is how confident toyota is. It will never need to be towed 😁
Guess they will hook a rope to the ugly grill when they get stuck
one of the best videographer blogs on the web...thanks for taking us along.
I've got my Rock Warrior stuck once... We hooked a logging chain to the hitch and lifted it up and out. My wife sent me these videos for a real world review... Real world people are a little hard for me to stomach. No tow hooks, no parking lot illuminating lights, can't crawl into the bed without a built in ladder... They make a truck for these customers needs. They're called SUVs
Don’t need tow hooks. Don’t they offer the step that folds down under bumper to access the tailgate? I agree with the lighting. Our Nissan Pathfinder lights up the whole care when you walk up to it. The silver part on the grill is confusing when the wheel body trim is black. The chrome around window pillars is old looking.
I agree , Nick! They are all over the place with the trim colors.
Silver on the grill and headlights.
Chrome around the windows emblems, and handles(minus the black handle on tailgate🤷♂️)
Matte black over wheels with gloss black on A- pillar….I’m exhausted just looking at it.
I use my F-150 day and night. I use the tailgate step daily (my old man knees and back appreciates the step). I love the perimeter lighting at night…it keeps me from stepping into puddles (my wife likes them, too). I use the tow hooks 6-8 times a year…usually to help others. I recently used my front tow hooks to pull out some shrubs. The Toyota is a very reliable grocery getter or for the occasional trip to a home improvement store.
Hell yea. That’s exactly what my 2021 ranger is used for
Grocery getter? Go back to bed old timer.
What an insulting compliment 🤣
I have to agree with you Ron. Checked out the new Tundra and was disappointed in its bed trim and other points. It wouldn't survive my use of a truck.
Tim, the 2022 1794 and Platinum come with a power retracting bedstep at the corner of the rear bumper. Saw it on a dealer inventory review video. Also in new 2022 Tundra Brochure. Made by AMP Research according to Toyota's brochure.
Yep. $60k plus you need to spend $400 on a step. Yippee.
Good job, Tim. I wholeheartedly agree. Another con for me and I don't think you mentioned it in this video but have in previous ones on the Tundra is the remote start and the key fob subscription. I am not sure if Toyota has changed that but that was a big negative for me.
Toyota says they are looking into making that change. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and that's why I left it off.
@@Pickuptrucktalk A big on you left off though Tim is payload capacity is not good on the 2022 Tundra. The maximum payload is 1,940 pounds and that can only be obtained on the SR trim which then limits your towing capacity to 8,300 pounds max.
Forgot all about the Ford pass app. That is for sure from the future. And I think everyone forgets about 911 assist as well. And that’s old
Hey Tim, I’m new to your channel, and will be a first time truck owner. Do you have a video specifically for first time truck owners?
I don't. What information would you be looking for? Maybe I'll make one.
@@Pickuptrucktalk that would be great!
Looking to get some basic information on how to use the features of truck. For example when to use 4 wheel drive, can you switch while driving or you have to be completely stopped then switch. Typical brain dead stuff that most people take for granted. I just bought a 2022 tundra, but did not recess yet. So if you can do a video for beginners on this truck I would really appreciate that. I pick up bits and pieces from you other videos, but one comprehensive video would be really great.
You hit the nail on the head. I’m getting a new truck this year and it’s between the hybrid Toyota and the power boost Ford. The only thing I didn’t think about is the lighting. The generator is the biggest thing for me, I live in Florida and with hurricanes I think it be very beneficial.
ProPower on Board is a game changer
I'm an RV'er plus we're building a remote cabin; for us, the Pro Power Onboard was a big big feature. Our new Lariat Powerboost is coming in the spring and we're over the top waiting for it. I've seen first hand what my brother's Powerboost is capable of while his family are RV dry camping (boondocking) with their RV and how he uses it at work.
reasons why I ordered a 22 F150 over the Tundra. Im not paying for remote start after 2 years. No tow hooks, No tailgate steps. Better infotainment system and I still want a V8. Thanks for sharing Tim!
Every fault you mentioned with the new tundra solidified why I’m keep my 2019 Tundra TRD Pro for a very long time. Very good key points. This is why I like this channel. Very honest and not biased.
Tim I started being obsessed with 2022 tubdra. Then after some research. I obsessed with finding 2022 ram 1500. I'm now switching lanes again, I'm concluding with a Ford F-150. I found a 2021 xlt , 5 liter, 9k miles 4x4 for $45k. Condition looks superb. I can send you a link. What do you think about that price? Should I just save up more and buy a new 22 or 23? Thanks. Love your videos.
Price seems right. Just depends on if you want new or are ok with used.
Definitely agree about tow hook issue. It doesn’t cost much to add. For most (not all), a truck is a work vehicle and you most likely have a time to use them, I.e., off reading, working on the farm…. Thanks for the reviews you have provided on the 2022 Tundra. I have owned a Tacoma, Tundra and Forerunner over the years and have been extremely reliable. Yes, I even have a Ford F-250 Super Duty Diesel 6.7 which I love. I just don’t like diesel fuel prices…
Was in the market for a new truck for the last 4 months. Test drove GM, Ram, Tundra and Ford and I ended up picking up a 2018 F150 Platinum.
I’m aware that Toyota is the leader in reliability but to me nothing quite drives like a Ford F-150.
You nailed it Tim. Bottom line is, this Tundra is a huge disappointment. It reminds me of how the Tahoe and Yukon became luxury grocery getters that are more expensive and less usable.
After more thought I have to agree. I was going to buy the new Tundra but not looking likely now. It’s a bad look when a prominent reviewer thinks the truck is ugly. Even more so when apparently there are Toyota engineers unhappy with the tow hook situation. How are consumers supposed to have confidence in a product when the maker does not. I guess I’ll stick with GM.
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Man, I agree 1,000,000% on what you said. Why would you buy stuff and talk s#!t about it. I owned a 07 tundra and a prius and never let me down. Just change tires and oil and it will run forever!
@@Nk-bc1qb Thanks. I'll keep your words in mind while I shop around.
@@Nk-bc1qb I agree 100% and I bet the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the Tundra will outlast any EcoBoost engine out there and the Tundra is made in Texas not in Japan so there for its American as well. But however since you American harshly is it just me or do you sound anti-American. Also I have a 1996 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 210,000 miles and still going strong 💪. The only things I replaced on my truck was the starter, the rear fuel pump, and the power steering megunisum but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance, took out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since. I also have a Ford 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 144,000 miles and still going strong as well and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK.
@@Nk-bc1qb Toyota reliability isn't what it used to be and that was always a myth. Tacoma frames, highlander issues, new Tacoma issues, list goes on. People are brainwashed into paying more for Toyota like apple has done to it's sheep
For all the people in the snow states there’s a chance you’ll be in the ditch and need pulled out or need to pull someone out. Yeah, you can use the hitch, but sometimes you can only get to the front
In the market for new 1/2 ton. Test drove a new Tundra Limited, F150 XLT and Nissan Titan Pro-4X. The Titan was the best inside and out followed by the F150. The Tundra had impressive technology and power but plastic, plastic and more plastic. I mean most have it just the Tundra felt like something found in a 25K vehicle, IMO
Agreed, it's the same issue I had when test driving it..it felt like it was all just cheap ass plastic every where, and fit and finish were not great either.
Titan with direct injection technology, is a problem around the corner
I own a 21 nissan titan pro4x luxury. Out of all the full size trucks I've owned the titan is the family favorite overall. Each truck had there quirks and advantages but overall as whole titan is our fav.
@@user-tw8ov, Tundra had cylinder deactivation?
@@repairvehicle what tell me about it also no cylinder deactivation
Do you think Ram 1500 will make a Hybrid like the F150 Powerboost? I understand Ram may make a all electric Ram 1500, but in my opinion you can not tow effeicently with a all electric vehicle.
They are going to be forced to do a hybrid.
I own a 2022 f150 powerboost. Xlt. XTR package. 302a.i couldn't be happier. It's not uncommon to see 8.8-even 7.6 L/100kms on the drives that are 100kms plus on ideal roads. My km to empty go up from start to finish. The 7.2 kw is another gem. The motor is phenomenal in the power department
Bed features are huge! One factor in buying my 2020 Silverado, was due to the built in steps to get into and out of the bed of the truck.
I bought a 2020 trailboss. Within 6 months it was in the shop with bent rods and busted lifters. Took a month to rebuilt the engine. I traded it back in as soon as I got it back. Good luck with yours. I’ll never buy another GM product and I’m telling anyone that’ll listen not to buy one. Traded it for a 21 ranger and I couldn’t be happier to get rid of a junk truck for a good one
@@lesterparker1594 I had a ranger and that engine/transmission had so many problems. Failures at low miles. I'd definitely not buy a ford or chevy they are both horrible built vehicles.
@@fireant1272 I did tons of research. Not many common problems on the ranger. All companies put out bad vehicles, including Toyota. I’ve had mine almost a year and it’s been perfect along with most of them too hat have been bought the past 3 years. I’ll take this ranger over a GM product any day
@@lesterparker1594 I did alot of research also. But a vehicle that hasn't been out long the research is kinda pointless. I'd trade that thing in before the warranty expires. All newer fords have been unreliable pos. My dad had a f150 3.5 ecoboost the turbo alternator exhuast manifold and timing chain needed replaced under 48k miles.
@@fireant1272 I’ve always had good luck with fords. Both I had I drove for 10+ years and 200k miles. I’m pretty confident this one will make it too. Only time will tell.
Tim you are right in one aspect in that ProPower on board is a GAME CHANGER!!
Mike said his customers don’t need a locker … they don’t …. Power to run a saw , lights , power house during a storm, tundra owners don’t need tow hooks , or even a hitch , mike thinks we don’t even need 4x4 his customers feed back has let them know , tundra owners don’t storage , or anything that a truck needs … thee online research has let Toyota of Japan know that … tundra owners need a v-6 turbo that’s exactly what Texas owners want !!! Texas men don’t want a v8 …. This truck has forced me as super most loyal Toyota owner to go buy a tremor !!! Thanks mike and Toyota !!!
Priceless!
Toyota is and has been out-of-touch with 1/2 ton pickup buyers. They might as well throw the towel in like Nissan and focus on midsize pickups. They will be dead last in sales again, along with Nissan.
EPIC RESPONSE 😂😂😂 Enjoy your ford. I just got a 22 Powerboost and I love it almost as much as my ecodiesel gladiator on 40s (different uses obviously)
Ehhh as much as I love V8’s I’ll take forced induction. Technology has advanced and Toyota knows what they’re doing. Would still like for them to add a V8 later on
@@305_cowboy I think you missed the nuance of his comment. It's about customer choice, not which technology is better.
I’m curious. If you were going to buy one truck to keep for 10 years and only plan to tow a small bass boat would you go with a 2021 Tundra or a 2022.
I'd go 2022. The difference between the 21 and 22 are night and day. If you were towing a lot or doing something more taxing than a small boat, I'd consider the 5.7L V8 for sure.
On TFL truck, same truck as yours, just barley beat the Ram 5.7 and that's way above sea level where it drains some power from naturally aspirated motors. I would like to see a straight comparison of this truck vs the Fords 3.5 EcoBoost.
But they're trucks, not sports cars.
If my local Ford dealer would get some inventory, I'd do a straight comparison. He hasn't had a new F-150 for me to borrow for months. All I get from the week-long press loans are hybrids.
The F150 will smoke the Hemi, therefore Tundra = no chance
How? The TFL guys said they felt the truck had more power available climbing the hill than the RAM. Tundra RPMs were lower… running in higher gear than the RAM. Also some people said all the FCA vehicles show the same minimum MPG on the instrument panel, 4.7 mpg.
@@lcq2102 I was referring to the drag races they did, not the Ike Gauntlet.
What's the rear axle ratio on the new tundra? That could make a difference in acceleration/feel.
3.31.
Tim- great video as usual. I am in the market for either a Ford or Toyota so your video was timely. So from you video- F150 positives are lighting around the truck, power on board, Styling (step up to tailgate), and Infotainment. Tundra - Build qaulity, power, ride quality and overall engineering. I may be wrong but the Toyota positives completely outweigh the F150 positives. Which manufacturers would be more difficult to try and achieve the other's positives... I think it would be much more difficult for Ford to address overall engineering, build quality etc. Whereas, it would be easy for Toyota to add additional lighting, power on-board, step up to tailgate, etc. To me, if this is your top 5 for each manufacturer, then Toyota clearly wins.
I have a 5.0L F150 that has been bullet proof going on 125K miles. oil changes, filters and tires. I also have an ecoboost expedition that is going on 97K miles. it has been bullet proof as well. Haven't had any of the timing chain/cam phaser problems yet. I have a family member who has owned two tundras and both went over 250K miles with zero major maintenance, granted he is a high milege per year kind of driver.
Point being, they are both good trucks. Honestly, all the brands make "good" trucks relative to yesteryears. I think the question is not F150 vs Tundra vs Silverado, etc....It is do you prefer V8 NA vs. twin turbo V6. Longer term reliability and higher gas bill, or possibly more maintenance with lower gas bill. Every truck is going to have features benefits you like or dislike over another brand. Although no tow hooks on 4x4 vehicles from Tundra is the definition of insanity to me. Brain dead decision on that one.
@@co457 you’re right, except don’t include the Silverado in there. My 2020 trailboss had the engine rebuilt before 8k miles. Rods and lifters. It’s junk. Don’t include it with ford and Toyota
@@co457 Really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I now have a better understanding of the 2 brands and what to consider- THANK YOU. I guess the question is... I know that Turbos based on their make up cannot be as reliable over the long term... the question is did Toyota do anything in the manufacturing of their Turbo to ensure it will be near the reliability of it's previous V-8 engine? Again, thanks so much.
Last year I bought a Tundra and it was piece of junk! After 8 days I couldn’t take it anymore & I took it back to the dealership - it cost me a couple of grand but they took it back! Then I walked across the street & bought a Lariat & I love it.
I've got 180k miles on my 2013 f150 lariat. No major issues and it runs close to new still. No rust underneath either, but I don't live in an area where the roads are salted much.
I do live in a “ rust belt “ northern Maine , we sand and salt the roads. My 2016 F150 super crew LB 5.0 has 194,000 miles . Not one speck of rust on the body. My back up camera went at 170,000. I have an intermittent check engine light, transmission cooler lines at 170,000 . Otherwise brake sand tires and Plugs 2 times.
Question: in comparison to the f150/ran1500 crew cab, is the tundra rear passenger space the same as f150/ram1500?
Same.
Big dissapointment for me in the tundra is the back seats. After living with the fully flat floor in the f150 I just couldnt live with that giant built in box that isnt removable and the giant trans tunnel. Cant beat being able to place large items in the cab for example a milwaukee packout rolling case which doesnt fit under a tonneau cover.
My flat floor in the F150 is one of the best features. You’re right that huge box back there is horrible and no one calls it out
Rather interesting to hear negativity about the fixed storage space under the back seat..as so many customers complained about the flat floor and not having a storage box that Toyota had to do something after 14yrs of people complaining about not having the storage box..of course then Toyota made the bad decision to then use that storage space for batteries on the hybrid model..just unbelievable really..the type of battery choosen takes large amounts of space and they didn't want the battery to suffer from cold weather issues like other competitors models by placing batteries outside the cab..How about that 120 volt 400 watt power outlet in the bed..I guess it could be used for a cellphone charger but that's about it..Why not put a full 15amp 120volt normal outlet that could be used for power tools or camping etc..and zero tow hooks..unbelievable choices..
I agree…love the flat floor in the back of my Ford! Was waiting to see who else would notice this besides me.
@@jeffmichiels251 the F150 floor is so good I’m amazed it doesn’t get mentioned more. I use it all the time for my gym bags, dog and general storage. I see the tundras box back there on the old and new and I’m amazed no complains about it. I would
@@michaelfsadni6917 exactly…I also use mine for dog kennels that can sit flat on my f150 floor and many other things that I can haul back there because there IS a flat floor.
Tim - if you were forced to choose...which one do you pick? Powerboost or Tundra Hybrid?
Powerboost for features, Tundra for driving and reliability. Just depends on which thing I feel is more important at the time.
I couldn't agree with you more on the lousy rear bumper design making it even more difficult to get in the bed. I'm in my mid fifties with 32 years as a carpenter behind me and I use that corner of the bumper to step on all the time to climb in. That's gone in the new Tundra. Also, the tow hooks... Absolutely mind boggling. I just got my 2017 Tundra stuck off the edge of a driveway in mud and snow backing in my 20' trailer. A worker on site used an excavator to hook onto my tow hooks and pull me out. There would have been no way to get under the truck to hook on to anything. It was buried. This plus the truck is so ugly in the front end, I'd be embarrassed to drive it, I will not buy another Tundra. I've owned four Tundras and one Tacoma since 1998. They are losing a long term customer because of poor design.
They are not the best at listening to their customers. You and I both use our Tundra's for work. One thing they excel at is quality. In 14 years of owning a Tundra I've only been let down once with a worn out starter. Down time is expensive. I can't say the same for the Dodge and Fords that I've had. Stick with Toyota.
@@MBTUE You are correct about the quality. That is a real concern for me as, like you said, down time is expensive. I will probably go with a heavy duty truck as they are somewhat more reliable than the 1/2 ton versions. For the price of the new Tundra, I can get a 3/4 ton domestic. I have a couple years before I have to make that decision, so I'll see if Toyota corrects any of the design flaws.
Disagree on the looks because I think it looks great as long as you do not go with the chrome grill surround. It needs to be color matched like the TRD PRO.
Newer highlanders and Tacomas are nothing but issues.
I think your spot on for hard buttons on certain controls: fan speed, heat/cool. Muscle memory. I don't want to navigate through a touch screen to change certain things. No matter how you look at it, touch screens are disruptive for keeping your eyes on the road. Hopefully, you don't have to make that spit second decision while scrolling through all your screens to turn on the defroster.
You nailed it! I agree with you 100% on the differences between the two. I thought that you were going to miss the crappy styling issues on the the Tundra,, but nope you got that one too! The only minor difference in my opinion and yours is the cheesy fake exhaust sound. I’ll never be on board with that. I’ve owned too many V8 muscle cars to agree with the replicated muscle sound. Excellent video though. I’ll be there for your next one.
I'll take the stock 2.7 eco boost noise over fake pumped in noise tons of vehicles have now. It's a new truck I want quite, I've got an lb7 for noise
One question dealers haven't been able to answer me on and maybe one of your engineer contacts could help with is can the 2022 tundra be equipped with a snow plow as it's now a turbo. Ford only recommends plowing with their V8 as the ecoboost engines intercooler is blocked by a plow.
I've asked and am awaiting an answer.
Great honest review, the chrome all over the truck is virtually a deal breaker for me aesthetically. Also not crazy about 60k OTD for a mid level truck. Disappointing.
I just don’t like chrome. I got the sport package in my 2021 ranger. It gets rid of all the chrome. The truck looks much better
Tim is it me or does the oil pressure read on the lower side? Is this reading live oil pressure or is it like the early 2005 F150's where it was a preset, if oil pressure is present then it indicates a preset pressure? My 2020 Tundra moves accordingly based on RPM.
It’s low for sure. I’ve been discussing with other owners to verify. I’ll deep dive for sure.
I’ve owned several Tundras, but I cannot understand why the Toyota engineers decided to remove tow hooks. I’m off road a lot and wouldn’t have a sense of security knowing there gone. Cmon Toyota let’s get em back on for 2023….
Guys what do you have to say about the Ram 1500? I’ve been wanting a Ram, but I am wondering if the quality in the long run is lacking?
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I definitely agree with your list Tim.
But what I really don't like about the new Tundra is they did just enough changes to become competitive again with the other brands, but based off their track record they won't make major changes again for another 7 to 10 years. While the others like ford are more adaptive and can make bigger changes every 3-5 years. So once again in a few years the Tundra will go back to the end of the line when it comes to competitiveness and will still cost and arm an a leg for being outdated. I love Toyota but they really need to start adjusting their way of thinking and listen more to the consumers ( they say they do but their lack of feature doesn't reflect that), or my current 2014 Tundra will be the last Toyota I buy in the future.
This is spot on. Toyota is in the stone age of design. They think that their customer base doesn't care, but they do. Look at what happened with chevy ignoring interior styling for the past 6 years. Those buyers went to Ram and Ford. The interior of the Tundra looks like a bigger version of the Rav 4. That is not what not truck buyers want these days.
My 2021Ram Limited beats them both hands down the best truck I ever drove...
@@rickylalonde2317 I gotta give it to you Ricky, that Ram is a beautiful truck.
@@cwqrpportable mine is patriot blue split tailgate one of the best features on this truck my golf clubs almost fall out is so convenient. Air ride is awsome I have a 87 year old father in law said he would love to get in but didn't think he could I lowered it to entry exit mode he almost fell in he had a big smile .it was awsome he is a great guy
@@rickylalonde2317 my 16 limited was nice until the 2nd transmission. Then I got a 19 tundra and have only put oil in it an its resale is over $35k
The Ford isn't gonna rust on the bed, wheel openings, cab corners, etc. That's a more important concern than a little on the frame.
The impression that tundra is solid has been evading me, honestly. Of all the new and pre-owned pre-2022 Tundra I drove, all but one had wiggly brake pedal, always some play. All had wiggly shifter housing/box. When you shift the gated shifter, that while assembly moves. Then on top, the excessively hefty body roll just make you tired and feel like riding an elephant. It sure may be 2500-ish for a 1500 truck but cumbersome and fat and jiggly
I've felt this also, I would never buy a Tacoma, 4Runner because of the DATED underpinnings they keep using from the 80's.
Their ride/handling give me a headache.
Tundra is better yet far from perfect.
Odd, I haven't had this issue. I just got a brand new trd pro this month. Everything is rock solid. I've even got the center console safe and everything is bolted down.
Another great video Tim ! After listening to likes and dislikes anyone would be better off with the Tundra. Build quality etc should be the number one thing when buying any vehicle.
I am a huge Toyota fan, but pretty much all you said I agree with and Toyota better fix all these things next year. Some one that likes Toyota but is not a huge fan will likely not buy a Tundra over a F-150 over all the missing features.
No tow hooks? Some clubs won't let you wheel with them if you don't have at least one hard recovery point front and back.
Great comments..
1. Hybrid vs non. Toyota is putting there battery under the back seat. Where to you put anything in the Toyota hybrid? Mini van has more battery power, wow that’s sad.
2. All you’re points are spot on, I love your channel. Keep up the good work.
3. You solve problems and build things in your truck. Ford is killing it with real life.
3. Exhaust noise. I don’t like talking over my truck noise. Im glad the does is quiet not making more noise. I want quiet and fast..
4. I’ll buy a ford, I’m sad that Toyota didn’t really step it up.
5. The bed step in really sucks, this is a huge miss, Toyota has always
been lame with features cutting. You also had a hybrid for the same price.
I actually build the engine (V6T) for the Toyota Tundra. It is only made in 1 facility in the country. You left off 3 trim levels in your opening statements for the Tundra. You have the Platinum, TRD PRO and the 1794 edition of the Tundra that are above the Limited. Hope you enjoy the truck!
Agree … it’s crazy they don’t put tow hooks on the Tundra. A locking rear but no hooks
It’s crazy. I agree, But the entire front end is plastic…I don’t like the fact they don’t put a bumper on the front. But some people like it…and I think it looks pretty good. Not the best looking truck. But it’s grown on me
I have driven a pile of F-150's and currently own a Toyota Tacoma.. I really struggle and still have never gotten used to Toyotas quirkiness with every feature and button placement in the truck. I feel confused with radio channel/ volume control on the wheel is opposite etc, and the gimmick camera quality is straight from Fischer Price.. Good solid review.
This is the first time I’ve left a comment on your channel, because I felt compelled to let you know that I really appreciate your perspective and honesty on these comparisons. I really hope that your points make it all the way up the food chain at Toyota, because they have a way of doing things in a vacuum. Which is I think I downfall in their culture.
Thanks for commenting and watching.
So I wonder if he had a Lariat, like I do, if he would have liked the interior better. When I walk up to my truck, and the lights turn on when I get close to it, as if it’s greeting me, I smile every time! There are more exterior lights on the Ford, and they are down right useful. I would be shocked if that Tundra is faster than the ford, which smokes every other truck in a 1/4 mile race.. it is shockingly fast. Yes the old man step is useful, interior and exterior lighting is useful, the self driving cruise control with the 360 cameras, are just plain useful. The fords tech is not gimmicky! It is just plain useful. I wouldn’t trade my 2021 F-150 Lariat for anything besides another one!
I live in Quebec and i can tell you that in winter, everybody uses the tow hooks at least one if not two times during winter. I can't understand that Toyota don't care about that.
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So I would like to hear about what the subscriptions would cost after they expire for the new tundra, If I did my math right it would be 32 bucks a month to have everything active?
That's how I understand it.
Thanks! Been hoping that you would do a video like this! Going back and forth between a new F-150 and this Tundra.
Glad I could help!
Doesn’t Toyota have the SR5, Limited, and then Platinum?
My biggest problem with the new Tundra is how much louder everything is compared to the F150. So much rattling everywhere.
But but Toyota reliability and quality....lol newer Toyotas are nothing but problems. Marketing has screwed over anyone buying them into thinking it's a great brand
Do they seriously have bad interior rattles? Door rattles on gravel? All I’ve had is new duramax’s and they’ve all been good to about 20,000 miles. Then everything starts to rattle.
@@stirv6462my 22 sienna is squeaking and rattling lol
You’re honestly the only one who gives me hope I have a 2022 tundra SR5 on order. You’re the only one who is positive about this truck everyone else is just saying it’s nothing but problems. I hope you’re right
I 💯 agree! Toyota just doesn’t get it! They need a top down reorganization to get back to their roots. Most Toyotas are freak’n ugly now, with their horrid grills. I love the reliability, but the little things add up to a vehicle that’s undesirable to the masses.
Really you will turn down quality over a grill. You are a real smart investor.
@@tiggerwoods100 - If it’s ugly, it’s ugly & I don’t want it. You can’t polish a TuRD. BTW, new automobiles are almost NEVER an investment.
@@cmdrdarwin3682 agreed 100% 👍👍