Want to watch a truck go off-road that doesn't beep like crazy? Check out my old 1985 Chevy K10 hitting some huge rocks here: ua-cam.com/video/p47QOHHVffM/v-deo.html
Glad mine parking sensors got cut/damaged lol when it comes to driving backward on urban areas i gotta listen to that clank on the metal bumper before shifting forward 🤭
I had a 78 C20 Camper Special, 81 $ 85 K10 and the last 2 were in the shop CONSTANTLY. I haven’t had a Chevy since. But I’ve always had better luck with Ford’s. Our 11 Ford 4X4 only has 35K miles and its main purpose is for working around our property and going to my fishing holes.
I’m a Toyota guy. Own a 2016 Avalon and a 1980 FJ40. I waited for forever like everyone else for the Tundra reveal. Really wanted to buy one but it turned out to be a dud. I spent $69K on a new F350 Tremor instead of a TRD Pro. I’m happy because for the same money the F350 Tremor has three times the payload and twice the towing capability of the new Tundra and has 35in tires standard.
The 11,000lbs of tow capability of the tundra is not enough? What the heck you looking to tow with the 22,000lbs? You shouldn’t be looking for a Tundra in the first place
Fan of both of these. But dang, the Ford styling here looks a lot sharper inside and out. Some 35s and a small lift/level on the tremor and this whole course would be a breeze
Just bought a brand new Tremor and put a 2” level and 34s and man is this thing impressive. Tested the approach and departure fully and man it did a great job. Ford hit a home run with this truck. That trail turn assist is also a great feature and used it on a number of tight turns. Ford all day!!
Bro how is your truck running today? Did you do 2 inch lift in the front and in the rear correct to install 34 inch tires? Do they rub in front end on tight turns? Thanks a lot for your comment
I own a 2021 Tremor and I love it, best truck I’ve ever had. Just got back from a trip where I pulled trailers on loose rocks along a river and the truck did it all in 4H with ease.
As an owner of the 2021 Tremor, I can't believe truly how impressive the dang truck is. Truly an amazing vehicle that Ford put a TON of thought into. Even just the special bumper that only the Tremor gets makes amazing sense for departure as the exhaust does not ever get in the way. Plus, I mean dang look at it. I will say though it's a dude magnet. Everywhere I go I get random guys asking every question possible about it lol. Oh well
I agree with all of the comments on here so far. It's just that when it comes down to vehicle longevity, reliability and resell value, the Toyota wins.
Took my tremor down the Scotch line hydro trail in Minden today. Very impressed with what it can do... even with stock tires. Rear locker and torsen front diff allow it to walk over all kinds of terrain.
Simple fact that Tundra has no front tow hooks is a huge deal for me. Add to that the dismal approach and departure angles and I will pick not only Tremor but any other full-size any day.
Great video! I advise to stick to the same “line” because the Tremor took a left line on the rocks and on the hydro climb but the TRD took a right line and struggled in both. The TRD did better when Dad adjusted and took the same line as the Tremor. I would have went back to the Tremor and took both right lines to see if it got stuck and had to adjust the line or it may have dominated both lines?? The obvious issues were the absent tow hooks, absent locker in 4Hi, and fully exposed exhaust on the TRD! Thanks again 👏🏽👊🏽
off road tremor is great, have over 4k miles this summer traveling the west and midwest and this truck with 402a package is a fantastic road trip vehicle
Agree, I think the tremor was the clear winner here. I really like that you can use the locker even in 2WD. I also think the Ford is a much cleaner looking exterior design. If it were my money, I don't think I would choose either one of these. If I remember correctly, the Silverado ZR2 is around the same price, I would choose that one with the 6.2 L. V8.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor same here. I buy vehicles for the long haul, 150-200K miles at least. I’m not convinced a turbo will make it that long without major work.
@@scotw67 The hardest engine ford makes is the 2.7 ecoboost with the CGI engine block. ALL of the rest are aluminum block, even the 5.0 sadly.. If you're willing to replace the parts i bet you could easily get over 400k out of the 2.7.
I drive a Toyota, but not putting tow hooks on the front of a TRD is total deal killer even if you can add them, its the principal to me. Also, you need to change out the wheels and tires to make it look better.
The Tundra took a slightly different line causing it to get hung up. The Tremor would be better on rocks if you would take a full size there but the Tundra would be better on the open desert. For the price though I'd get the TRD especially with the resale and the suspension. If I had a RV trailer and go cross country camping and so on I would pick the Tremor.
Exactly the tundra is a huge disappointment it looks cartoonish no tow hooks no where to put tow hooks without pulling the plastic face off of it what a disappointing truck
I agree about the plastic bumpers, but our 2010 Tundra 5.7 V8, SR5 Extra cab 6’ bed was an 4X4 pickup. It was still going strong with 470K miles when we sold it after Socialist Biden shut down our Oil Pipeline and our gas prices skyrocketed. Our 10 Tundra only got 9-15mpg. Next year we’ll be ordering another Tundra 4X4 to replace our 10. We’ll never be taking it off roading, (as we have another 4X4 to “play” with). Please don’t get me wrong, we Loved our F150, but we didn’t get as many miles from it as we did our Tundra.
I bought aa used 2017 Titan 4x4 last year for $33K with 39k miles and had sticker shock as it was a base model S trim. Didnt have a backup cam, no power mirrors and vinyl flooring.. As I sit here a year later I am glad I still have a v8, not start stop, no sensors and extra crap.. the dealer did include a backup camera and had it installed to the stock display. Seems like auto start stop is hard to avoid lately and I wonder if v8 trucks are gona be phased out eventually. I was sad to see the titan is leaving the US market in a year or so but I love mine. I was initially looking for f150 or Ram but for the same price they were 2wd, more miles and in most cases has the naturally aspirated 3.3 v6 in Ford and 3.6 in ram which i was fine with but they were still stock vehicles also or maybe a trim level up. The titan kinda fell in my lap and i love it..
I was never a fan of the Titan, first the design and secondly it’s a Nissan, but I’ve got to say every single person I’ve talked to that has one absolutely love theirs, not a single negative comment, so I think it’s a awesome truck that Nissan had no ideal how to market it, was a big fan of the warrior concept vehicle, but honestly I’d have gotten a more basic package too cause it’s more affordable, my F150 STX is next to the bottom of Fords lineup and it’s been great. Hearing rumors the Titan will be gone soon and that’s sad for their faithful owners.
at 4:00 the tremor went through that like butter, loved how the suspension took it all like it was nothing and kept the whole truck level. The TRD was stiff on the exit and just sloppy. I am impressed with the tremor. 12:00-14:00 the TRD just struggles to get started and gets stuck on exit....Tremor just breezed through the mudding without annoying beeping etc. The TRD again looking so stiff throughout!!! If the suspension was better maybe TRD could get traction, tuning issue? Fox shocks are great but looks like the Tremor is just overall tuned better.
toyota did wrong by putting that big ass stiff sway bar on it for high speed running that drastically limits its articulation. they should have done a sway bar disconnect. most guys in the tacoma offroad world like me just remove front sway bar alltogether and it makes a huge difference
I really like the Tremor and I was dead set on getting a Ranger Tremor, but as I watched more of your videos and test drove different vehicles, I decided to go with a Toyota 4Runner TRD ORP. That’s right, TK. Y’all actually talked me into buying a 4Runner. The power of the media haha. Thank you for all the awesome quality content you put out.
Honestly, Steve's video of that voodoo Blue TRD Pro on the hydro line was kind of what sealed the deal for me on the 4Runner lol. I think objectively, there are a lot better vehicles than the 4Runner, but it's just better than the sum of its parts. I think it's's the fact that it hasn't been updated in so long that is charming. Watching this video, I was glad that it doesn't have all these warnings, because both of these trucks would drive me crazy with all the beeping and warnings going off. I will say though I wish the 4R had a more modern engine and transmission combo. I love the old school-ness of the vehicle, except for this. I find it really frustrating to drive at times.
@@trailrunnah8886 I actually love the fact that the engine and transmission haven’t been changed. They are probably some of the most reliable in the world and I love that. And you can take them anywhere a Jeep can go.
When you factor in how much more usability the Tremor has with it’s substantial payload superiority this is a no brainer (1600-1800lbs is common on a Tremor and not possible at all on a TRD Pro). Its just crazy that Toyota had so long to develop the new Tundra and even saw the new Ford, GM and Ram trucks before releasing theirs, yet still didnt keep up. Then to top it off they made the truck less usable due to the asinine rear bumper that makes it difficult to get in the bed, and handicapped even their most offroad version with no tow hooks. I own a 2021 Tremor, its a beast offroad and still has 1699lbs of payload capacity that allows me to haul my travel trailer with ease. I don’t think there is a better all around capable truck currently on the market.
There really isn't much to compete against it, honestly i don't know how Ford managed to make this truck the way it is, it's insanely good in many applications, looks stunningly good and badass for a truck, and has an incredible track record so far in every comparison.
@@kenmasteren That simply hasn’t been the case with the new Tundra…. I get the long term brand reputation, but this is an all new platform and it certainly hasn’t started out well for Toyota. For me the most important part is what I can actually use the truck for- unfortunately the low payload rating of the TRD Pro makes it useless for actual truck work- particularly towing. Thats normally the case for an offroad biased truck, but the Tremor defies that norm and clearly isn’t giving up much if anything to the TRD Pro in the offroad department. It’s pretty incredible that Ford can make the truck ride and handle so well offroad but somehow maintain payload that rivals other brands’ best numbers for a minimally equipped model. 17k hard miles so far in 8 months (over 6000 of which are towing)on my Tremor without a single hiccup, squeak, rattle or mechanical issue of any kind.
@@adamharriger5193 lol bro 17,000 ain’t even broken in yet. Nothing to brag about having no issues after 17k. My 4runner has 200,000 miles on it with zero problems and barely any squeaks or any other minor or major issue. Ton of those miles have been off road and long overlanding trips up and down and across the country and back more times then I can count. But hopefully your truck can stand the rest of time with no problems! I personally like the tremor but I love the trd pro tundra as well but I prefer the previous gen tundra trd pro the best still for half ton pickups.
@@andyham6094 I agree 17k miles isnt much overall, but in 8 months with nearly half of it towing 7k lbs it’s way more of a “long term” review than most auto journalists ever do. Many of which have had issues with their new Tundras. I know Toyota overall has a killer reputation for reliability, but it’s just too soon to tell with the new Tundra- and I bet Toyota isnt happy about the way it has started out. My real issue with the new Tundra is that Toyota had so much time to develop the new truck and should have at least caught up to their competition. I do love 4 runners though- if I didnt need a truck it would be on my shortlist.
Good video. Ford all the way here. Looks, capability, comfort and did I mention looks? Lol. The Tundra’s looks are less than desirable in my opinion. There are my two cents. Thanks guys.
Great comparison and video. I would say that although it's basically a draw, I do think the Tundra having to go second does put it at a slight disadvantage because the Ford messes up the ruts even more and makes the terrain ever so slightly worse for the Tundra. Just my perspective.
The Tremor's is a far better looking, the skid plates on the Ford protect the front much better, the fords locker options are huge off road, and the lack of tow hooks is simply unforgivable.
The issue for me is the tremer went first and had "virgin" ground. I would say equal except for the exhaust dragging. I own a power wagon so, im sure I would decimate both. IMO
I think decimates a little strong, I think the Tremor would be right there beside it, even with the sway bar disconnect, I think the Tremor lighter weight is a huge factor for it, nonetheless I know the power wagons pretty formidable, but weight is never a good thing.
I would hope it would it's a 2500 instead of a 1500(same category as the F-150). The power wagon also, starts at 64k based on their website vs. the Tremor starting at 56k. We are talking about 2 completely different categories.
If your Power Wagon didn't at least somewhat perform better it would be pretty embarrassing considering it's class and price. The Tremor still punches way above it's weight class and compares pretty well against most trucks and for the price it's insane.
I'd say the Tremor won everything. I'd also say it won because of the front Torsen diff. No mention that in 2023 the Tremor will offer a V8 option thus making it winch compatible. Both trucks need 285/75R-18 (35") tires.
@@michaelwdagle7410 that would be the common sense thought but Ford has not stated that. It hasn't stated it will be available on both the 401A and 402A packages. It could be like on XLT's where rubber floors is a $0 down grade.
Toyota had all these years to build this new tundra and could have hit a grand slam... yet they hit a dinker right back to the pitcher. So many errors in the build of that truck
Another awesome show, more off roading than 90% of the real truck owners out there will ever do, but both trucks are capable of handling the hydro line pretty good! Prefer Fords harmonious, styling where to me the Tundra looks like one team of designers took the cab, another group took the front and a third the bed, can’t help it but I think of a transformer toy when I see one, but then again it took Toyota years to get the styling right on the previous generation Tundra. I don’t think the Toyota will steal Ford Chevy and RAM owners away from their brands and will mainly rely on previous Tundra owners that have finally wore out their old trucks and buyers entering the full size truck market following Toyota’s stellar reputation. It’s just not a pretty truck all that being said.
A lot of the new Tundra buyers are coming from Tacomas & 4runners as well. Definitely don't see it "stealing" business away from the big 3 except a small portion that have had reliability issues.
Looks is in the eyes of the beholder. I doubt either brand will be stealing many customers from the other. And I think that has more to do with brand loyalty than anything else. Either truck will go further off road than most folks ever will. And I'd be willing to drive either if I was in the Market for a new truck.
Love this video, I did a lot of reviews and ended up with a 2022 Tremor in Alberta right next to the Mountains. I appreciate what you put the trucks through just to know what it is capable of. Now I need to go test mine out more but sure does pull my trailer nice so far.
I have a 2022 ranger tremor, I do a lot of hunting and it gets muddy at our two farms. And it does very well, I have nitto Terra grapplers on it. I love em
This is a great test of that typical North American use case and in this case, Ford will always win, as they're engineered for such use cases. However, take it to the third-world country-sides and the Ford won't make it back due to that engineering as well.
Ford now offers the Coyote V8 on the Tremer as a standard engine option. And speaking about wolves the F-150 in Mexico is actually called the Ford Lobo (Wolf in Spanish) well only the Lariat trim model and up & from the Xlt going down are still named F-150.
Wow it's been some time since I've watched one of these. The last one featured an Army Green Tundra TRD Pro. It's been a while. The specs being compared in the beginning is a great addition btw!
Agree! Tremor! But why most journalist don’t much credit to the torsen which what i have experienced in my Raptor is way better than just a limited split differential i think is way closer to a selectable locker since is not a Clutch based
I love F-150. My first was a 2006. Now I got a 2018 and about to upgrade :) I heard the dealers are thirsty to sell due to this economic down turn. Feels so good to smell a brand new interior.
The TRD Pro is such a disappointment from a off-roaders perspective. Besides the Fox shocks there's really nothing at all changed to make it better off-road. No recovery points, no front LSD or locker, awful approach and departure angles... Not even real 33" tires. And then they have that massive front sway bar which probably helps on road handling but takes out a lot of flex for off-road. It's like they totally built this thing for the road but had to market it as off-road. Just can't compete with the Tremor off-road. Let alone a beast like the Silverado ZR2 or a base Raptor.
The approach angles aren’t that bad the front is 1 degree worse than the tremor and rear is .1 degree worse than the tremor, the no front locker is a bummer but by the looks of this test, it isn’t really that much of a downside. The tires should be 35’s tho
I really like Toyotas but the other week I was being a TRD and thought, that's one "U" away from being a "Turd" and I can't stop thinking about it every time I see one.
Both very capable trucks. But I'd go Toyota over Ford. The couple times the Toyota got hung up, a different line fixed it. The tundra will hold it's value far longer then a tremor. And to me looks better.
Great comparison. I would choose the Toyota cause I’m not a big fan of ford. Both trucks did very well. I enjoy your channel very much. Keep up the great work guys.👍🇨🇦
Absolutely AWESOME video! I must say you guys are absolutely delivering it raw. 2 things about big trucks, 1 when people make the decision to purchase one of these goliath I don't believe fuel economy is at the top of their list otherwise they would get a Tesla. 2 I really don't understand Toyota's engineering logic for deleting the tow hooks really. The TRD PRO is specifically catered to a certain base ,the off roader and it was not meant to be a pavement princess so come on Toyota lets do something for future models. My opinion.
I’ll keep my 19’ TRD pro. Toyota took nearly a decade to design its new off road truck and its performance was easily inferior to the Ford and in many aspects inferior to the prior generation TRD Pro. On top of all that it isn’t a very attractive truck. I’m in the Dallas area and of the Dealers has a 22 TRD Pro in stock and they have it priced $110k. No thanks.
Yet there are tos of over 20 year old f150s still going just saying, not to be a dick but it’s always the same old argument from Toyota folks. It’s simply outclassed off road.
@@MrGmilton yes I agree with you there are many 20+ year old F150’s still going, but the Toyota’s have much better odds of going 40+ years. I guess I meant to say the Toyota will off-road 20 years longer than the Ford, but the Tremor is still an incredible truck.
Lol yet the Tundra is the one having waste gate issues and other build quality problems. Also, didn’t Toyota just recall all of their New EV’s because the wheels are falling off? The Tundra also had an axle nut recall. This isn’t the same Toyota it was 30 years ago.
@@ryanturnerboles yes I agree Toyota quality is not like it used to be, and neither is Fords. So if both brands quality went down 30%, then Toyota quality is still 100% better than Fords.
@@ryanb5189 lmao is that why the F150 outsells the Tundra by a very large margin? Seems like if it was so unreliable, people wouldn’t be buying them. Only reason Toyota has ever been reliable is they’re so behind on technology. Now that they’re stepping up their game to catch the other manufacturers, look what’s happening to their “reliability”. Any manufacturer could have stuck with outdated powertrains and eventually made them bulletproof. But in the end, that’s why the F150 has been a best seller and the Tundra has barely stuck around.
I love my '19 tacoma TRD O/R but my biggest complaint is exactly what you guys said at the end of the video about only being able to use the locker in 4L. It's the only thing I truly hate about my truck/toyota. But thank God for Air lockers 😂
Want to watch a truck go off-road that doesn't beep like crazy? Check out my old 1985 Chevy K10 hitting some huge rocks here: ua-cam.com/video/p47QOHHVffM/v-deo.html
Glad mine parking sensors got cut/damaged lol when it comes to driving backward on urban areas i gotta listen to that clank on the metal bumper before shifting forward
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I had a 78 C20 Camper Special, 81 $ 85 K10 and the last 2 were in the shop CONSTANTLY.
I haven’t had a Chevy since.
But I’ve always had better luck with Ford’s.
Our 11 Ford 4X4 only has 35K miles and its main purpose is for working around our property and going to my fishing holes.
I love that they put the trucks on the ramp and show us the underneath. I haven’t seen anyone else doing that.
Check out Savagegeese. They put everything on a lift with pretty good technical descriptions.
@@GT-tm1ft oh nice. Thanks!
@@Mclarenf20 👍 They are more car focused, but do better than most with trucks. Their Raptor video is hilarious.
Sarah-n-Tuned also puts everything on the rack.
Savagegeese does
I’m a Toyota guy. Own a 2016 Avalon and a 1980 FJ40. I waited for forever like everyone else for the Tundra reveal. Really wanted to buy one but it turned out to be a dud. I spent $69K on a new F350 Tremor instead of a TRD Pro. I’m happy because for the same money the F350 Tremor has three times the payload and twice the towing capability of the new Tundra and has 35in tires standard.
The 11,000lbs of tow capability of the tundra is not enough?
What the heck you looking to tow with the 22,000lbs? You shouldn’t be looking for a Tundra in the first place
Counting on a potentially faulty twin turbo hybrid camry engine to tow over 10k in the long run? No thanks lol @@sammiemakki9339
Fan of both of these. But dang, the Ford styling here looks a lot sharper inside and out. Some 35s and a small lift/level on the tremor and this whole course would be a breeze
I like the Tundras exterior styling. Much more modern. Both nice trucks 👍
Yeah tundra hideous and has the exhaust on the wrong side lol
Nah Tundra looks badass. Ford looks boring
The Ford looks better inside and out... the tundra looks like it's trying too hard to be one of the big boys....
Both look amazing in my opinion but I like the tundra just a little more
Just bought a brand new Tremor and put a 2” level and 34s and man is this thing impressive. Tested the approach and departure fully and man it did a great job. Ford hit a home run with this truck. That trail turn assist is also a great feature and used it on a number of tight turns. Ford all day!!
Thank you for using that truck for its actual purpose. Where I live, this is a suburban dad flex car
34”?
5.0 or 3.5 ecoboost?
I did the same thing but with 35s. Do a 50 percent tint on windshield and 15 percent on side and back windows
Bro how is your truck running today? Did you do 2 inch lift in the front and in the rear correct to install 34 inch tires? Do they rub in front end on tight turns? Thanks a lot for your comment
Please turnoff the parking sensors before driving in bumper deep water lol
Came down here to post the same thing... SO ANNOYING!
This is what I call a forensic comparison. No one else showed the underneath conditions of the trucks before. Excellent job guys
They are OK
I own a 2021 Tremor and I love it, best truck I’ve ever had. Just got back from a trip where I pulled trailers on loose rocks along a river and the truck did it all in 4H with ease.
Same. Love my 2021. It does everything I ask of it.
I love how, in this application, the Ford middling off-road option beats Toyotas top of the line off-road option
As an owner of the 2021 Tremor, I can't believe truly how impressive the dang truck is. Truly an amazing vehicle that Ford put a TON of thought into. Even just the special bumper that only the Tremor gets makes amazing sense for departure as the exhaust does not ever get in the way. Plus, I mean dang look at it. I will say though it's a dude magnet. Everywhere I go I get random guys asking every question possible about it lol. Oh well
@@TheGodofZilla plus Zilla... the Tremor is just a great looking truck. The Tundra?? 🤔
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Ford killed it with the Tremor.
Toyota can’t build a full size truck
I agree with all of the comments on here so far. It's just that when it comes down to vehicle longevity, reliability and resell value, the Toyota wins.
Took my tremor down the Scotch line hydro trail in Minden today. Very impressed with what it can do... even with stock tires. Rear locker and torsen front diff allow it to walk over all kinds of terrain.
Would say Tundra have no front tow hook is a shame
I’d give that massive red anti-sway bar on the TRD a tug.
They did that for the safety I think. That’s one of the reason the tundra is on top safety pick+.
Simple fact that Tundra has no front tow hooks is a huge deal for me. Add to that the dismal approach and departure angles and I will pick not only Tremor but any other full-size any day.
Looks like the departure angles, exhaust pipes notwithstanding, are almost identical.
Im sure you could add aftermarket shackles and the lower price and a locker the tundra is a better value.
@@Mixwell1983 even if you add one the low plastic bumper is in the way.
And if you put tow hooks on, it's now a modified truck....
I agree with all of that and the fact that the Toyota looks like something out of a cartoon
Great video!
I advise to stick to the same “line” because the Tremor took a left line on the rocks and on the hydro climb but the TRD took a right line and struggled in both. The TRD did better when Dad adjusted and took the same line as the Tremor.
I would have went back to the Tremor and took both right lines to see if it got stuck and had to adjust the line or it may have dominated both lines??
The obvious issues were the absent tow hooks, absent locker in 4Hi, and fully exposed exhaust on the TRD!
Thanks again 👏🏽👊🏽
Agree 100%, it was obvious and kinda stupid to not to point that out.
off road tremor is great, have over 4k miles this summer traveling the west and midwest and this truck with 402a package is a fantastic road trip vehicle
Wow you guys really give these a much more hard hitting test than I see most people do with the off-roading.
Agree, I think the tremor was the clear winner here. I really like that you can use the locker even in 2WD. I also think the Ford is a much cleaner looking exterior design. If it were my money, I don't think I would choose either one of these. If I remember correctly, the Silverado ZR2 is around the same price, I would choose that one with the 6.2 L. V8.
Good points. Toyota only lets you lock the rear in 4LO on the Tundra and Tacoma. Big fail on their part IMHO.
The Tremor now comes standard with the Coyote 5.0 V8. I like the simplicity and reliability of a tried and true V8 too.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor same here. I buy vehicles for the long haul, 150-200K miles at least. I’m not convinced a turbo will make it that long without major work.
@@scotw67 The hardest engine ford makes is the 2.7 ecoboost with the CGI engine block. ALL of the rest are aluminum block, even the 5.0 sadly.. If you're willing to replace the parts i bet you could easily get over 400k out of the 2.7.
You can also get the F-150 with a v8
How in the world would you build a tuck without tow-hooks?
Thank you for the video. We chose a 22 tremor vs TRD. I took it out yesterday in some very beautiful mountains and it climbed like a mountain goat!
I drive a Toyota, but not putting tow hooks on the front of a TRD is total deal killer even if you can add them, its the principal to me. Also, you need to change out the wheels and tires to make it look better.
Oh bs you cant afford it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really like the intro montage with the spec labels on each truck for comparison.
Very nice how the property is being developed by you guys!
The Tundra took a slightly different line causing it to get hung up. The Tremor would be better on rocks if you would take a full size there but the Tundra would be better on the open desert. For the price though I'd get the TRD especially with the resale and the suspension. If I had a RV trailer and go cross country camping and so on I would pick the Tremor.
What was Toyota thinking with those cheap plastic bumpers. The tremor wins this hands down.
No two hooks 🤣 Toyota clearly omited the actually important things for off-roading and just put the stupid hybrid in it.
Exactly the tundra is a huge disappointment it looks cartoonish no tow hooks no where to put tow hooks without pulling the plastic face off of it what a disappointing truck
Toyota trucks are 💩
Better protection. Too bad all the fords i ever drove, herd about has issues.
I agree about the plastic bumpers, but our 2010 Tundra 5.7 V8, SR5 Extra cab 6’ bed was an 4X4 pickup.
It was still going strong with 470K miles when we sold it after Socialist Biden shut down our Oil Pipeline and our gas prices skyrocketed.
Our 10 Tundra only got 9-15mpg.
Next year we’ll be ordering another Tundra 4X4 to replace our 10.
We’ll never be taking it off roading, (as we have another 4X4 to “play” with).
Please don’t get me wrong, we Loved our F150, but we didn’t get as many miles from it as we did our Tundra.
I bought aa used 2017 Titan 4x4 last year for $33K with 39k miles and had sticker shock as it was a base model S trim. Didnt have a backup cam, no power mirrors and vinyl flooring..
As I sit here a year later I am glad I still have a v8, not start stop, no sensors and extra crap.. the dealer did include a backup camera and had it installed to the stock display.
Seems like auto start stop is hard to avoid lately and I wonder if v8 trucks are gona be phased out eventually.
I was sad to see the titan is leaving the US market in a year or so but I love mine. I was initially looking for f150 or Ram but for the same price they were 2wd, more miles and in most cases has the naturally aspirated 3.3 v6 in Ford and 3.6 in ram which i was fine with but they were still stock vehicles also or maybe a trim level up. The titan kinda fell in my lap and i love it..
I was never a fan of the Titan, first the design and secondly it’s a Nissan, but I’ve got to say every single person I’ve talked to that has one absolutely love theirs, not a single negative comment, so I think it’s a awesome truck that Nissan had no ideal how to market it, was a big fan of the warrior concept vehicle, but honestly I’d have gotten a more basic package too cause it’s more affordable, my F150 STX is next to the bottom of Fords lineup and it’s been great. Hearing rumors the Titan will be gone soon and that’s sad for their faithful owners.
at 4:00 the tremor went through that like butter, loved how the suspension took it all like it was nothing and kept the whole truck level. The TRD was stiff on the exit and just sloppy. I am impressed with the tremor. 12:00-14:00 the TRD just struggles to get started and gets stuck on exit....Tremor just breezed through the mudding without annoying beeping etc. The TRD again looking so stiff throughout!!! If the suspension was better maybe TRD could get traction, tuning issue? Fox shocks are great but looks like the Tremor is just overall tuned better.
toyota did wrong by putting that big ass stiff sway bar on it for high speed running that drastically limits its articulation. they should have done a sway bar disconnect. most guys in the tacoma offroad world like me just remove front sway bar alltogether and it makes a huge difference
I’d take the tremor for sure
I really like the Tremor and I was dead set on getting a Ranger Tremor, but as I watched more of your videos and test drove different vehicles, I decided to go with a Toyota 4Runner TRD ORP.
That’s right, TK. Y’all actually talked me into buying a 4Runner. The power of the media haha. Thank you for all the awesome quality content you put out.
Nice man I ordered a 4Runner ORP with KDSS as well…back in March and I’m still waiting for it. KDSS is what’s holding it up I’m sure.
@@skoolynugenator1802 all Canadian trim trd OR (all premiums up here as well) come standard with kdss. Long waits to get them
Honestly, Steve's video of that voodoo Blue TRD Pro on the hydro line was kind of what sealed the deal for me on the 4Runner lol. I think objectively, there are a lot better vehicles than the 4Runner, but it's just better than the sum of its parts. I think it's's the fact that it hasn't been updated in so long that is charming. Watching this video, I was glad that it doesn't have all these warnings, because both of these trucks would drive me crazy with all the beeping and warnings going off. I will say though I wish the 4R had a more modern engine and transmission combo. I love the old school-ness of the vehicle, except for this. I find it really frustrating to drive at times.
@@northerntoyota7584 it just seems like such an amazing system. I had to add it to the order.
@@trailrunnah8886 I actually love the fact that the engine and transmission haven’t been changed. They are probably some of the most reliable in the world and I love that. And you can take them anywhere a Jeep can go.
When you factor in how much more usability the Tremor has with it’s substantial payload superiority this is a no brainer (1600-1800lbs is common on a Tremor and not possible at all on a TRD Pro). Its just crazy that Toyota had so long to develop the new Tundra and even saw the new Ford, GM and Ram trucks before releasing theirs, yet still didnt keep up. Then to top it off they made the truck less usable due to the asinine rear bumper that makes it difficult to get in the bed, and handicapped even their most offroad version with no tow hooks.
I own a 2021 Tremor, its a beast offroad and still has 1699lbs of payload capacity that allows me to haul my travel trailer with ease. I don’t think there is a better all around capable truck currently on the market.
There really isn't much to compete against it, honestly i don't know how Ford managed to make this truck the way it is, it's insanely good in many applications, looks stunningly good and badass for a truck, and has an incredible track record so far in every comparison.
You're forgetting the most important fact, tundra stay out of the shop and on the road twice as long as Fords.
@@kenmasteren That simply hasn’t been the case with the new Tundra…. I get the long term brand reputation, but this is an all new platform and it certainly hasn’t started out well for Toyota. For me the most important part is what I can actually use the truck for- unfortunately the low payload rating of the TRD Pro makes it useless for actual truck work- particularly towing. Thats normally the case for an offroad biased truck, but the Tremor defies that norm and clearly isn’t giving up much if anything to the TRD Pro in the offroad department. It’s pretty incredible that Ford can make the truck ride and handle so well offroad but somehow maintain payload that rivals other brands’ best numbers for a minimally equipped model. 17k hard miles so far in 8 months (over 6000 of which are towing)on my Tremor without a single hiccup, squeak, rattle or mechanical issue of any kind.
@@adamharriger5193 lol bro 17,000 ain’t even broken in yet. Nothing to brag about having no issues after 17k. My 4runner has 200,000 miles on it with zero problems and barely any squeaks or any other minor or major issue. Ton of those miles have been off road and long overlanding trips up and down and across the country and back more times then I can count. But hopefully your truck can stand the rest of time with no problems! I personally like the tremor but I love the trd pro tundra as well but I prefer the previous gen tundra trd pro the best still for half ton pickups.
@@andyham6094 I agree 17k miles isnt much overall, but in 8 months with nearly half of it towing 7k lbs it’s way more of a “long term” review than most auto journalists ever do. Many of which have had issues with their new Tundras. I know Toyota overall has a killer reputation for reliability, but it’s just too soon to tell with the new Tundra- and I bet Toyota isnt happy about the way it has started out. My real issue with the new Tundra is that Toyota had so much time to develop the new truck and should have at least caught up to their competition. I do love 4 runners though- if I didnt need a truck it would be on my shortlist.
That intro was 🔥 Keep that format for comparisons 👏
The tremor takes the cake an basically every specification on paper, surprisingly even approach and departure angles
Clear Win for the Tremor, nice comparison 😎
I like the Tremor better, but I'd like it even more with a V-8 engine.
Good video. Ford all the way here. Looks, capability, comfort and did I mention looks? Lol. The Tundra’s looks are less than desirable in my opinion. There are my two cents. Thanks guys.
Great comparison and video. I would say that although it's basically a draw, I do think the Tundra having to go second does put it at a slight disadvantage because the Ford messes up the ruts even more and makes the terrain ever so slightly worse for the Tundra. Just my perspective.
I like your reviews, and I trust your videos. The TRD pro just doesn't quite add up.
Parking sensors should be a stand alone option on all trim levels 😅😅😅
Noticed that right exhaust pipe pushed up on the 2nd obstacle in the f150. 😇
The Tremor's is a far better looking, the skid plates on the Ford protect the front much better, the fords locker options are huge off road, and the lack of tow hooks is simply unforgivable.
Tundra looks wayyyyyy better the wheels and tires are sick! Seemed the differences were really small and they both are capable.
Tundra styling is utterly atrocious
Can’t wait to see this again with the 2023 V8 Tremor!
why would that make any difference at low speed? it wouldn't
@@02hreblue30 Probably mean more pressing on the gas to get the revs up into the power band.
I like the tremor better looks better and I'm a ford guy so I'm biased. Love to take my f250 down your course one day
I love my 2022 Tremor 402a! Tremor for the win!
Toyota fan here, but that Ford is sweet!
Great video! The ramp is a great addition
Tremor gives you what you need to do the job for a good price. Also having better options.
The issue for me is the tremer went first and had "virgin" ground. I would say equal except for the exhaust dragging.
I own a power wagon so, im sure I would decimate both. IMO
I think decimates a little strong, I think the Tremor would be right there beside it, even with the sway bar disconnect, I think the Tremor lighter weight is a huge factor for it, nonetheless I know the power wagons pretty formidable, but weight is never a good thing.
I would hope it would it's a 2500 instead of a 1500(same category as the F-150). The power wagon also, starts at 64k based on their website vs. the Tremor starting at 56k. We are talking about 2 completely different categories.
If your Power Wagon didn't at least somewhat perform better it would be pretty embarrassing considering it's class and price. The Tremor still punches way above it's weight class and compares pretty well against most trucks and for the price it's insane.
Got a subscription from me. Great comparison of these two trucks’ off-road capabilities.
Welcome!
Which one leaks water in the cab when it rains? Which one will have the phaser rattle?
I'd say the Tremor won everything. I'd also say it won because of the front Torsen diff. No mention that in 2023 the Tremor will offer a V8 option thus making it winch compatible. Both trucks need 285/75R-18 (35") tires.
Dude, the tires on the Tremor are aggressive enough for most people needs.
@@jasonthach44 very true, and for the people who want larger they will be easy to sell.
Need 35’s? No. Want 35’s? Yes Sir!!!
The 5.0 will be the standard engine in Tremor
@@michaelwdagle7410 that would be the common sense thought but Ford has not stated that. It hasn't stated it will be available on both the 401A and 402A packages.
It could be like on XLT's where rubber floors is a $0 down grade.
Toyota had all these years to build this new tundra and could have hit a grand slam... yet they hit a dinker right back to the pitcher. So many errors in the build of that truck
100% the Tundra is an absolute embarrassment
Truth. Wanted one before it was launched.
Or is it that the tremor is just that good
@@jpolimus I'm not the biggest Ford fan, but the tremor is definitely a highly capable truck and shines in work mode
That’s what happens when American designs trucks lol. Japan engineer would have been way different
Another awesome show, more off roading than 90% of the real truck owners out there will ever do, but both trucks are capable of handling the hydro line pretty good! Prefer Fords harmonious, styling where to me the Tundra looks like one team of designers took the cab, another group took the front and a third the bed, can’t help it but I think of a transformer toy when I see one, but then again it took Toyota years to get the styling right on the previous generation Tundra. I don’t think the Toyota will steal Ford Chevy and RAM owners away from their brands and will mainly rely on previous Tundra owners that have finally wore out their old trucks and buyers entering the full size truck market following Toyota’s stellar reputation. It’s just not a pretty truck all that being said.
A lot of the new Tundra buyers are coming from Tacomas & 4runners as well. Definitely don't see it "stealing" business away from the big 3 except a small portion that have had reliability issues.
Looks is in the eyes of the beholder. I doubt either brand will be stealing many customers from the other. And I think that has more to do with brand loyalty than anything else. Either truck will go further off road than most folks ever will. And I'd be willing to drive either if I was in the Market for a new truck.
Love this video, I did a lot of reviews and ended up with a 2022 Tremor in Alberta right next to the Mountains. I appreciate what you put the trucks through just to know what it is capable of. Now I need to go test mine out more but sure does pull my trailer nice so far.
Glad it was helpful!
How big is your trailer? Looking at one of these trucks in AB myself
Everything about the Tremor looks more thought out
Tow hooks
Bumpers
Skid plate coverage
Exhaust placement
Locker in 4hi
I have a 2022 ranger tremor, I do a lot of hunting and it gets muddy at our two farms. And it does very well, I have nitto Terra grapplers on it. I love em
The Tundra’s grill is just too much for me. It’s over the top.
Wow. Maybe turn off the parking sensors next time
You drove the tundra up on a different line than the tremor.
I love both the trucks but I would still go Toyota I love the pano roof and I just think it’s more unique and much rare to see
This is a great test of that typical North American use case and in this case, Ford will always win, as they're engineered for such use cases. However, take it to the third-world country-sides and the Ford won't make it back due to that engineering as well.
Ford now offers the Coyote V8 on the Tremer as a standard engine option. And speaking about wolves the F-150 in Mexico is actually called the Ford Lobo (Wolf in Spanish) well only the Lariat trim model and up & from the Xlt going down are still named F-150.
Wow it's been some time since I've watched one of these. The last one featured an Army Green Tundra TRD Pro. It's been a while. The specs being compared in the beginning is a great addition btw!
The Toyota had mud slicked tires at the start of the "offset ruts".
I love to trd pro vehicles
I wish there was a Tremor off road package for my Platinum Powerboost instead of just the FX4 .. Man it would look so nice.
The Baby Raptor is really good.
Agree! Tremor! But why most journalist don’t much credit to the torsen which what i have experienced in my Raptor is way better than just a limited split differential i think is way closer to a selectable locker since is not a Clutch based
Approaches were all over the place for both vehicles, should have redone them on same approach.
I love F-150. My first was a 2006. Now I got a 2018 and about to upgrade :) I heard the dealers are thirsty to sell due to this economic down turn. Feels so good to smell a brand new interior.
Tundra looks so much better
I know for sure its cussing and not the trucks beeping. Thats how you know its working lol. Great review as always!
Going to pick the Ford because it can use lockers in 4-Hi. I need it for driving in snow and ice.
Steve, do both trucks have 5yr/60k warranty?
This was a fun watch. The parking warning sounds made me laugh
Trd pro ALL DAY.
No tow hooks is a deal breaker.
The TRD Pro is such a disappointment from a off-roaders perspective. Besides the Fox shocks there's really nothing at all changed to make it better off-road. No recovery points, no front LSD or locker, awful approach and departure angles... Not even real 33" tires. And then they have that massive front sway bar which probably helps on road handling but takes out a lot of flex for off-road. It's like they totally built this thing for the road but had to market it as off-road. Just can't compete with the Tremor off-road. Let alone a beast like the Silverado ZR2 or a base Raptor.
It was designed to be a grocery hauler. 🤣😂
The approach angles aren’t that bad the front is 1 degree worse than the tremor and rear is .1 degree worse than the tremor, the no front locker is a bummer but by the looks of this test, it isn’t really that much of a downside. The tires should be 35’s tho
The old Trd pro had no locker, or any off road features.
They add all this and you still complain
@@Mycameron2323 Oh boy they added a rear locker... When every other truck in this price range offers that and a lot more. Shocking I'd complain.
6:00 the cat burglars are drooling rn
Always love your off road comparisons. No one does it better. Awesome video, guys!
Maybe the 22 Tremor doesn’t have it, but in my 21 Tremor when I go into mudd and Rutt mode my front camera comes on and shows me tire location
I really like Toyotas but the other week I was being a TRD and thought, that's one "U" away from being a "Turd" and I can't stop thinking about it every time I see one.
Tremor all day! Have a little buyers remorse with my ‘22 XLT 5.0 now that the ‘23 Tremor will have the 5.0.
Why Ford, why 🤦
At least you've saved yourself a significant amount of money. 😂
Trade it in or sell it to someone else and get what you want instead. Life is short and there’s no shame in spending money on fun.
@@Mclarenf20 already put $6-7k of accessories on my ‘22, to include 35’s and the Borla S-Type. So, I’ll keep it.
Good video as usual. Thanks for highlighting the one reason not to get those parking sensors when getting an offroad vehicle.
Both very capable trucks. But I'd go Toyota over Ford. The couple times the Toyota got hung up, a different line fixed it. The tundra will hold it's value far longer then a tremor. And to me looks better.
The beeping and noises these trucks make 😳
Great comparison. I would choose the Toyota cause I’m not a big fan of ford. Both trucks did very well. I enjoy your channel very much. Keep up the great work guys.👍🇨🇦
Not being a fan is why you chose the Toyota ? Man if that were the logic i used for everything i would be deep in some shitty investments.
Good morning Truck King!! Is there an AC⚡DC Trail??😉
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Amazing video but the microwave timer beeps are killing me 😄
Most people don’t realize that all ford trucks with locking diffs can be locked in 2WD. I do this often. 2020 F-150 Lariat FX4.
Both trucks did well,like the color of the tundra!
Absolutely AWESOME video! I must say you guys are absolutely delivering it raw. 2 things about big trucks, 1 when people make the decision to purchase one of these goliath I don't believe fuel economy is at the top of their list otherwise they would get a Tesla. 2 I really don't understand Toyota's engineering logic for deleting the tow hooks really. The TRD PRO is specifically catered to a certain base ,the off roader and it was not meant to be a pavement princess so come on Toyota lets do something for future models. My opinion.
I’ll keep my 19’ TRD pro. Toyota took nearly a decade to design its new off road truck and its performance was easily inferior to the Ford and in many aspects inferior to the prior generation TRD Pro. On top of all that it isn’t a very attractive truck. I’m in the Dallas area and of the Dealers has a 22 TRD Pro in stock and they have it priced $110k. No thanks.
Same here, I have a 2020 TRD Pro Tundra, no way would I trade it for the new generation.
For the love of Pete guys, shut off the collision warning nannies while filming!
Great video guys! I love my f150 tremor 401a package is a much better deal than 402a. Just add torsen to the order and some Katskinz seats.
Geez dad, what's with all the swearing! So much beeping to cover it! Ha ha ha 🤪
I am running the 22 F150 and in Blue Out in southern Idaho on some jeep trail the F 150 was great.
This was a great review. I went with a Tremor and it’s impressive.
Oh no you squished a mosquito into the headliner, good job it is a loaner. Interesting video guys, thanks very much.
The Ford will off road slightly better where as the Toyota will off road for 20 years longer
Yet there are tos of over 20 year old f150s still going just saying, not to be a dick but it’s always the same old argument from Toyota folks. It’s simply outclassed off road.
@@MrGmilton yes I agree with you there are many 20+ year old F150’s still going, but the Toyota’s have much better odds of going 40+ years. I guess I meant to say the Toyota will off-road 20 years longer than the Ford, but the Tremor is still an incredible truck.
Lol yet the Tundra is the one having waste gate issues and other build quality problems. Also, didn’t Toyota just recall all of their New EV’s because the wheels are falling off? The Tundra also had an axle nut recall. This isn’t the same Toyota it was 30 years ago.
@@ryanturnerboles yes I agree Toyota quality is not like it used to be, and neither is Fords. So if both brands quality went down 30%, then Toyota quality is still 100% better than Fords.
@@ryanb5189 lmao is that why the F150 outsells the Tundra by a very large margin? Seems like if it was so unreliable, people wouldn’t be buying them. Only reason Toyota has ever been reliable is they’re so behind on technology. Now that they’re stepping up their game to catch the other manufacturers, look what’s happening to their “reliability”. Any manufacturer could have stuck with outdated powertrains and eventually made them bulletproof. But in the end, that’s why the F150 has been a best seller and the Tundra has barely stuck around.
I love my '19 tacoma TRD O/R but my biggest complaint is exactly what you guys said at the end of the video about only being able to use the locker in 4L. It's the only thing I truly hate about my truck/toyota. But thank God for Air lockers 😂
Two of my favorite trucks!