I appreciate the fact that as a UA-camr who reviews trucks, you actually bought this truck & are giving real world reviews/results of what you experience. Keep up the great work!
True. A lot of the channels reviewing the new tundra are just talking about shit that they heard or what they think. Hell one guy compared his crew max cab to a double cab like we wouldn’t notice. Smdh .
Pretty much the same mileage I’m getting here in 🇨🇦 with my 2017 Ford F-150 XTR extended cab 4X4 with the 2.7 litre V6. I’m very happy with my mileage.
2020 Silverado 3500 dually with the 6.6 gasser unloaded on the highway running at 75 mph I get 16-17 mpg city driving will bring it down to 15 and loaded with 18k pounds I get around 7-9 depending on grades this new 6.6 gasser is a beast. Also this is all while running 35x12.50 mud tires with 2 3 inch spacers on the rear of each side and a leveling kit tires stick out half a foot from the dually fenders.
The issue with the turbo is not that they had some problems. This issue is that they pulled the body off the truck to fix it. That implies if you buy one for long term (like many Toyota owners looking for reliability) and you need need to service the turbo well beyond the warranty, then the truck is essentially totaled. So the question is: "What is involved with servicing the turbo?"
Lots of money long term I'm guessing, ive had many turbos an nothing will stop bearings from going out in time ,dosen't matter who vehicle it is ,I mean toyota, Ford, so on ,turbos are just expensive in general.
I got my 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD Sports back in December 14th, i been driving it daily for 2 months now i got 2,600 miles on it as of today. I have been averaging 16mpg city/highway in cold and snowing condition in the month of January here in Ohio, but when the weather is a bit warmer it goes up 18mpg in city/highway combined.
I got 24.8 in my 2020 Silverado 5.3 with a 8 speed automatic transmission. Running 80 in the hills of Tennessee on the interstate with 1500 pounds of payload. My truck is a 4 full door crew.
@@JuanHerrera-ji5ti I have the picture from the on board computer in which I verified by my calculator because I didn't believe it myself. If I knew how there was a way to attach it to this I would. I don't lie!
I bought a 2024 Tundra Limited 4x4, and the engine failed at 5,631 miles. One of the cylinders got oil in it and failed the plug. It was nothing I did. First time I’ve had trouble with a Toyota, and I’ve had many. I will say they took good care of me though. The dealership put me in a brand new Tundra Platinum for the same payments. We’ll see how this one does.
Recently took my 21 F150 STX crew FX4 3.5 Ecoboost on 400 mile all interstate trip. I have BFG KO3s tires. It got 22.3 mpg hand calculated in hilly terrain at 75 mph. I was very happy with it.
Put my 2022 Tundra 1794 4x4 on order on December 7th Still waiting for 3 months and don’t know when I will get delivery. Ordered at Fred Hass in Houston where this reviewed 2022 Tundra was picked up. So far my eco boost F-150 hasn’t needed another top End like it did in 2021. Thanks for your review.
I love how these new trucks are getting such better mileage and still have the power. I have a ‘21 F-150 XLT CC 2WD w/2.7 ecoboost and 3.55 rear end. Just completed a 1200 mile round trip from Tennessee to Louisiana and back with the speedometer set at 72, and got 24.8 computer, 25.1 hand calculated. That’s roughly the same my V6 Grand Cherokee got on the same loop, and it’s a few hundred pounds lighter.
Great to hear Tim's experience and yours. IMHO, the 2.7 EB is best engine to come out in the last decade. We have a 2.7 EB in an F150 that's spent the majority of it's time in an open cast mine. Hot, dusty conditions with a pile of idling time. Numerous trips back and forth each working day to labs about 100 km return trip. Reliable, powerful and fuel efficient. .
I’m looking at trucks and still have an open mind to larger SUV’s and I’m still surprised many of the big trucks get the same mileage as many mid-sized trucks and 7-seater suv’s!
hey Tim, I am glad that you are mentioning lane tracing (toyota)/ lane centering (ford). I would love to see a comparison between ford's LC and Toyota's LTA. I know this is a feature that a lot of reviewers does not care to review and I get it, not a lot of people use it , however, it is one of the feature that is a must for my next vehicle as I do long-distance driving. TIA and pls keep the vids coming.
I have owned the Tundra for about a month, and borrowed my friends F150 for about a week. The Ford lane centering work much better. It activates sooner and more often when approaching a line. If you test drive the Tundra, you will see it doesn't work that well.
Traded my 2007 Tundra Limited Crewmax for a 2021 Silverado 3.0 liter Duramax…..went from 15 mpg to 28 mpg. Don’t regret the trade whatsoever. Even still getting better mpg then 24 so Toyota needs to bring the diesel to America in my opinion.
Your yearly maintenance costs , oil changes in particular may change your mind. Even if you do them yourself. Any emissions parts are ridiculously high....even worse on the Jeep diesel.
@@JL-nq6iq You would think that, but I’m still happy with the change. Oil changes are a little more but not drastically. DEF hasn’t been as bad as I initially thought. Apples to apples, I’m still operating in the “black”.
People just want to complain to be honest and most of these ppl are not interested of buying $hit. I honest to God have never missed the V8. I love the 3.5 EcoBoost. I love the power and the gas mileage. Thank Tim for this beautiful review.
I get it, although I still prefer the older V8 like the coyote. Not as fast or efficient as those great Ecoboost engines, but it feels more “natural” and the sound makes it up to me.
I had a 3.5 ecoboost. Went back to V8. The gas mileage is nearly identical and the 5.0 didn’t have the issues my ecoboost did. Everyone’s got good / bad experiences but I’m staying with a naturally aspirated V8.
Average 20.5. Highest was 24. Lowest was 12 with broken phasers towing travel trailer uphill. 😂 2018 FX4 Screw 3.5 EB. Yes, I just got it back from the dealership yesterday. All fixed, $0.
My 2021 Tundra 2wd has rated 13 - 17 highway. I use a 100% gasoline 87 octane. Nashville to Gatlinburg got 18.3 highway. Nashville to Tampa Florida 19.7 highway. 72ﾟ averaging 75 to 80 miles per hour. This was with the bigger nitto grappler tires also. I will be putting lighter weight tires on in the future, possibly electric fan. Is going to try to lighten the truck by 200 pounds.
Yes, I got same results in TX when I owned a 2007 Tundra DC 4wd, SR5 w/TRD 5.7L. I ran OEM sized A/T tires. Drop-in K&N air filter w/ air box mod was only performance mod. Hard folding tonneau cover. Best ever mpg was 20.6 mpg hwy running through PA using BP regular gas. Truck was loaded down with gear for a one year assignment out of state.
What a true gentlemen, what a video, thank you. I have a 2002 V-8 Tundra 140,000 miles and commute every day to work, no fancy lights in this thing but it can fly and the only thing wrong is the steering rack is starting to leak. Reliable toyota's.
Good video! I have a new one ton Ford to pull my fifth wheel. I do like my new truck, but if Toyota made a one ton I would buy it. They don’t break down! I have had 5 Toyota or Lexus vehicles. Took them all to high miles. They weren’t perfectly reliable. But they were close to it. But what they were NOT, is fuel efficient. Your results are shockingly good.
I bought a new 2016 F150 4x2 4 door with a 2.7 ecoboost v6. The only reason I bought the truck was because I could get it with a 165 cuin v6 twin turbo. If it only came with a 3.5 n/a v6 and a 5.0 v8. I would not have bought a F150. I used to drive for Lyft with my truck getting 19 mpg in the city. You have to have a light foot to get this number but it is real. I have 81k miles on my truck now and the only problem I've had with the engine is a $20 cylinder head temp sensor.
My new used 7000 mile 2021 Ford F150 hybrid did 26.5 highway and a very little local traffic area 128 miles bringing it home from dealer. Fayetteville NC to Myrtle Beach SC. Average 65 mph highway.
Just spoke with my Toyota sales rep here in Canada and he stated from their training course today the combined fuel rating for the trd pro is 11.2L/100km or 21mpg.
@@AkashChahal A US gallon is only 3.8 litres and a imperial (Canadian/UK) gallon is 4.54 litres. Just take your Km’s you drove and convert to miles, then convert litres to either US or Imperial gallons and do the miles/gallons math for either. Or, just use the online convert and just output to UK mpg. The US mpg figures are always less than ours because they measure gas volume in US gallons.
@@TheIrongutz yeah that’s what I did, I gave the l/100km measurement and US Mpg measurement for reference. Didn’t think anyone would use imperial measurements since we use l/100km up here and the states only use us gallons.
I'm going to keep my 2008 Toyota tundra 5.7 l. By the time they want those emissions down I'll be using a different fuel source. Pulling I get about 15.6 with a light trailer heavy load trailer at 70 only 10-12 mpg. The highest I've gotten is 20 mpg on 93 octane. I was just curious on if any better gas mileage or not. Good to see some progress.
2018 Nissan Titan, we drove upstate NY to Glacier/Yellowstone and then back, total miles driven was 8500 miles. Gas mileage for the entire trip was 24.5 mpg. A little interstate Highway driving but not much really, mostly secondary highways. We had camping supplies, clothing, cooler, etc., in the truck. We were pleasantly surprised with our mileage. Travel was done in July and early August 2019.
@@adkkev The more you ease into the throttle the better fuel mileage is. I rememember when a lot of HWYs I drove when younger were 55 some 65 and where I live now it's 75. Anything after 55 you start to waste fuel. I get far better mileage at 65 than 75 or 80 and I bet if they still had 55mph zones my mielage would be able to hit EPA ratings. I took off the cats on my car. Opened up to about 450hp and could get about 30 on the freeway at 75ish in perfrct condition. I bet if I dialed it back to 55 I bet I could almost get mid 30's.
I put headers on my 6.2l silverado and average over 18mpg allday. 20+ on the freeway, and it doesnt heat soak. Im curious when towing, how hot the oil gets cooling 2 turbos. So if i tow go shasta (4+ hours in 105* heat) what is ny oil longevity with turbos? Thats more or less the issue. Heat generation with these twin turbo V6s. On initial test drives they are fun. 100 miles into 105* weather its dramatically different then a test drive on a 65* morning....
Love the V8 vs 3.5l turbo reliability vs pollution. I've spent so much time saying turbod engines can be very reliable but I love the resukts of the packaged research you provided.
Coming from someone who majored in energy, comparing reliability and pollution makes no since. If you are looking at CO2, which is harmless, electric vehicles have a higher CO2 footprint when looking the product lifespan. That being manufacturing to end of life.
My 2019 F 150 RC LB V8 2wd will regularly show 28mpg when cruising at 60mph on a 30 mile door to door trip from Chicago to N. IL. Once I made a 45 mile trip and the DIC showed 31mpg. Even discounting it by 10% (Ford DIC reading is known to be optimistic) 28mpg is pretty AMAZING - and a V8! Truck weight on door jamb listed at 4,350lbs. I put some STX 20x8.5" wheels and big Cooper AT 3 tires on for winter and gas mileage plummets. Part of it is cold temperature seems to hurt mileage, but the rolling stock weight increase is huge. Same trip (up hwy 41) will register maybe 20mpg in gentle 55-60 cruising. I estimate 3" tire height difference makes odo read 10% low, so I would not apply the 10% Ford Optim-ometer DIC reading and compare it as 20mpg vs 25mpg - massive 20% drop.
I had a ram 1500 4x4 with the 3.6L V6 for years, with stock tires I averaged 26mpg highway all the time. Dropped to 22mpg when I added a set of 10 ply AT tires. Averaged 11mpg towing 7500lbs which is the same I get with my ‘21 tundra v8 towing the same 7500lbs.
I don't know what you're doing with your Ford F150 eqoboost 3.5 or the Powerboost but I own a Powerboost and reliably, trip after trip I get 25/25. That's 25 in the city and 25 on the highway and I'm driving in Phoenix Arizona and it's outskirt highways which are usually rolling rather than flat. My 2015 2.7 L eqoboost reliably got 19 in the city and 24 on the highway.
Great video providing real world experience and results. Exactly the type of video people are looking for when researching new products through UA-cam videos.
Great job as usual Tim, but getting 22mpg highway with my 5.0 F150 - there isn't much reason for me to give up my beautiful V8. Only time it loses out is in city driving - but I didn't buy my truck for that. It feels at home out here in harsh Canadian Rocky Mountain winters.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit 100,000km (60k miles or so?) 2018 with the 10 speed. XLT mid level package - no parking sensors or blind spot monitor, dynamic cruise or anything else. Fanciest feature is rear defrost and auto dimming driver/interior mirror pretty much; with a locking 3.55 rear, super cab with 1900lbs of payload, flowmaster true duals and S&B air box. I will drive this thing for many, many years to come. Every time I see a newer truck I admire it for a couple of minutes, but then I look at mine and realize how much more I love the simplicity of it. Relatively cheap to fix, I can take it to the local mechanic shop I trust. Use full synthetic and replace the oil every 7,500km. Brings a smile to my face every time I even slightly get into the gas pedal - that smooth V8 torque - and oh boy, the cold morning remote starts. Can hear it a few blocks away haha. I feel incredibly lucky to be able to enjoy one of the last vehicles made for purists before we go full electric/computerized.
@@uttamgala7186 shame you didn’t get a 2015-2017 5.0L 2nd gen those were the best The 2018-2021 get a tick after about your mileage supposedly and have oil burning issues being a 3rd gen
Great video as usual. I have gotten 24.8 with my 2021 6.2 High Country crew cab back road cruising under 55 mph easily. I always go easy on the gas, and I average usually 18ish in daily driving around town rural PA. I have a 2022 Platinum Tundra on order hope it gets better mileage your video gives me hope. Thanks for sharing.
Very nice video Tim! I recently drove an unloaded 2019 f150 XL supercrew 4x4 with the 6.5 ft bed, 3.5 ecoboost and 3.31 gears on about 130 miles of mixed highway (55-60 mph) and small towns and was equally shocked! The truck got 24.8 average miles per gallon. Around town with normal, albeit gentle driving is typically 21.5 miles per gallon if I stay at or below 65. If I get in the turbos, have a heavy load or drive at higher speeds it'll definitely drop to around 17mpg. Nice to see the tundra is comparable
The key in getting good economy is to stay out of boost. Whenever a turbo engine is under boost it uses more fuel for the same amount of hp than a non turbo engine because a turbo engine has to run rich to prevent predetonation. It can run stoich under boost like a non turbo engine can. So the phrase "you either get eco or boost" is very true.
@@richardhouvener6423 its the ratio of air to fuel where you have exactly enough air is provided to completely burn all of the fuel. That ratio is known as the stoichiometric mixture or stoich for short.
Have a question, I won't get an electric vehicle but have considered a hybrid but after the report I heard recently am not sure about a hybrid. Question is what is the cost for the hybrid battery pack. I know you will say it is warranted for 8 or 10 years or whatever it is. That is irrelevant, if it is past the warranty, how much is it to replace. Asking because was on the news recently, person purchased a 2014 vehicle (Chevy, I think) paid 11,000 for it. 6 or 7 months later it needed a new battery pack. The cost was 14,000, that is 3,000 more than they paid for the vehicle for the battery. How much is it, I want to be an educated consumer but the cost is not online that I can find. You talked about the reliability of the turbos, okay. But if or when there is an issue they are more expensive to fix. Looking at over a grand each just to get started on maintenance. But I really do not know that I want to pay 50,000 to 80,000 for a vehicle that will cost another 10,000, maybe less, maybe more, but as of now, is an unspecified amount for a battery pack. My current Toyota is a 2009. I keep what I buy unless it has major issues, then will trade for something else.
One 3 gallon fill-up is not a great indicator of fuel mileage. One thing to consider on this particular truck is the unusually long filler tube. Fuel tank is on the passenger side while the filler port is on the driver side. This can make the auto shut off system in the pump less consistent. My guess is that the real MPG is closer to what was indicated on your trip computer. The best way to measure actual MPG is to log fuel usage over several thousand miles. This smoothes out the inconsistencies. None the less it seems Toyota has definitely improved the overall fuel economy of the Tundra. Well done Toyota, well done.
John Huff, "Fuel tank is on the passenger side while the filler port is on the driver side. This can make the auto shut off system in the pump less consistent." I 'm not convinced. I'm thinking it wouldn't make much (any !) difference. No proof either way ...
@@fjb4932 he's talking about air in the line coming back to trick the pump shut-off. This happens on all vehicles. However, he's right, the longer the distance, the more likely air will get trapped along the way, and cause a premature shut-off. Air has less ability to escape as fuel goes in, when the narrow line is longer from the tank opening, holding fuel in the line briefly that you just put in before it can get to the tank. For a proper top-off, you have to see the fuel, not accept the pump blindly. Even on normal systems with both tank and fill on same side, I've had a lot of variation on the number of times the pump shuts off before I actually see the fuel level in the tube. I top off on every refueling, and my trucks have two tanks, not just one. It happens all year round.
Can one add accessories to upgrade the truck with OEM parts. For example can I add the upgraded rear view camera system? I own a 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD 4X4.
Thanks for the post. I appreciate all the details and spec's you provide. Just wanted to add my MPG for my 2020 F150 XL/STX super crew with the 5.0. I use 87 octane mostly from Costco. All street driving is 15 - 17 mpg. All hwy driving is 20 - 22 mpg. Combined driving is 18 - 19 mpg. Now I have take a long road trip from Arizona to South Dakota and at a certain point there wasn't 87 octane available so I started using 91. My hwy mpg increased to 24 - 26. I was blown away! Now to be clear this is no towing, just some camping equipment in the bed with a driver and 2 passengers.
I have 5.7 tundra an this new one no way I would buy one ,im actually looking at that same truck you have, ive had those Ford 5.0 an those are an were ahead of there time ,one of best engines ever built.
Last November I rented a 2021 Chevy 1500 Silverado to help a friend move 250 miles. I put 522 mile total on that truck over the weekend, 250 loaded with furniture, and the rest unloaded. I averaged 12 MPG for the trip. I used cruse control as much as possible at 70MPH. Chevy lied. The only way you could get even 18 MPG would be to drive 55 on cruise, and accelerate really, really slow - slow enough to piss-off everyone unlucky enough to get behind you. Basically, Drive like a 95 year old lady. Now, with gas at $4.50 a gallon, yikes! I would hate to have to fill that tank!
What engine? I get consistent 19-20 mpg on my 47 mile commute with a mix of highway/city on my '20 silverado 1500 V6. My '17 TRD pro tundra used to get 11.4 mpg
@@albertopaniagua55 It was a rental, not sure what engine it had. But we were using it like a pick-up truck - loading it with stuff and getting work done. I love driving a pick up (loaded with all the great tech packages) and love sitting up higher than cars & SUV's, but I hate the stops at the gas pump!
Wait! Have you tested the 2.7 V6 in the F-150? My in and around average is 21mpg and my highway averages to 28mpg. This is on my 2021 F-150 4wd 4 door.
I had a 2021 Titan 2wd crew cab a while back as a loaner and even running 80mph i averaged 19mpg. Running between 70 and 75 I consistently got 21mpg. Way better than I expected from that truck.
Yes, Nissan is pretty impressive. I am waiting on the '22 Tundra but have a '19 4wd Titan now. I almost always get 18-18.5 mpg on backroads, little to no highway. They are very impressive.
yup NA v8 mpg will be more sensitive to RPM and not MPH. the forced induction v6tt are more sensitive to mph, once you go over 75mph, the boost is on most of the time and gets horrible mpgs, even if you are sitting at under 2000rpms.
@@fongvang935 you are absolutely right. I have Sequoia with the 5.7, same as tundra '07-'21. Max torque comes on at 1950 rpm. If I cruise at 65mph, it stays at1800 rpm and I get 17mpg. If I cruise at 75 mph, its at 2100 rpm and I get 13 mpg that is the same as its city mpg!
@@johndeaux9987 They're definitely an underdog. My brother has an 18 pro4x and loves it. I have a 16 xd platinum reserve and love it. Definitely the best seats of any truck by far. But that 2021 loaner definitely has me considering a new XD evem though the diesel is discontinued. I have towed the same stuff with half tons amd my XD and there is no comparison, especially with stability. Anyone who says you a half ton can do better towing hasnt towed with an XD. World of difference, especially in cross winds and 2 lane roads when an oncoming 18 wheeler flys by from the other lane.
Hey Tim. Love your channel. Does the new Tundra require 87 octane fuel. I live in Denver and we have 85 as an option just like you. I noticed you used 87. Wondering what the owners manual states.
I’d be interested to hear what engineers have to say about the reliability of the on board MPG numbers. I feel filling up like you did or even the 2 click method have too many variables. How far is nozzle in and even the angle it’s in affects how much gas goes in.
I’ve seen a lot of mpg test on this truck and others and the computers are surprisingly accurate Who really cares about that kind of detail especially when you’re buying a truck If you can do a test like Kim dead and you were up there around 20 or higher you should be happy
That is pretty impressive mileage, but how about while towing or at least with some reasonable load. I rarely drive my truck unloaded. Hauling hay, dirt bikes, pulling an RV, that is the real MPG test. The new small diesels also get better mileage. Certainly better than the old 5.7 for sure. But how could it not be? Thanks for the great information!
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesnt do mucn bettwr than the old 5.7 when towing because you'll be under boost alot more and when a turbo engine is inder boost it has to run rich, so for the same given power it will use more fuel than a naturally aspirated engine because the naturally aspirated engine can run stoich where the turbo engine cant.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix Yes and no You’ll be into the turbos more but with the 10 speed transmission it helps to balance things out a bit I seen several Towing Videos and it seems to get a couple miles to the gallon better than a V-8 but honestly when you’re towing if you get better than five or 6 miles to the gallon on any truck with any engine you are doing good
@@tv-ke4lx that is true. I was stoked when I got 13mpg in my titan XD towing a heaby food trailer. Pretty good considering the truck weighs 7400lbs by itself.
@@tv-ke4lx TFL has already shot a video that disputes your claim. A Ram 1500 with a V8 got better mileage towing 8,000 pounds than the 2022 Tundra did, and that was at 11,000 ft. above elevation where the twin turbos are much more efficient than n/a.
Yesterday I drove my 2010 ram 1500 hemi 4wd from Seattle to Spokane, cruise control set at 73. My mpg was 18.9 and my truck has 166,000. miles on it and still running strong. At this point I can't justify 60-70 k for something that get a couple more mpg's
I have that exact same truck! But mine gets 12.7 gallons no matter what I do, what size tires are you running? I have 92,000 on my odometer by the way. Thanks, Jay
Hey Tim, I just compared the bore and stroke of both the Ecoboost and the Toyota. The Toyota has a 100 mm stroke vs 86.6 mm for the Ecoboost. A longer stroke makes more torque, but a short stroke revs higher and makes more horsepower. This likely means the Toyota can use less boost at highway speeds because the engine makes enough torque without the turbos for light loads. However, the Ford is faster, which the boys over at TFL Truck confirmed in a drag race. Again great videos. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦😎
Also, longer strokes wear the drivetrain more, which isn't as good for durability. The Ford will likely win that durability comparison too, over time. Horsepower is what delivers higher power at highway speeds, not torque. Torque is "off-the-line" take off power. I think you have that "less boost needed on highway" suggestion reversed. My 1980 Fairmont Futura 3.3L I-6 engined car had high torque, which made driveability around town very good, but horsepower from the engine was low, and that limited highway speeds quite a bit back then (but since 55 mph was the speed limit on interstates and highways, not many drivers noticed the shortcoming with that engineering design).
@@rayrussell6258 Do you know the formula for Horsepower. It’s HP=(torque x RPM)/ 5252. So if an engine can produce more torque it automatically means more HP at a given engine speed. A way to make more horsepower is to simply rev the engine higher. A turbo engine can produce more torque at a lower rpm than a naturally aspirated engine. However, this comes at the cost of fuel economy. Now if an engine can produce enough torque without getting into boost, then The engine can operate it’s Stoichiometric range which means it’ll be more efficient. A longer stroke engine will help with this but a longer stroke engine can’t rev as high. Go watch the UA-cam channel called “engineering explained”. He has a really good UA-cam video on the concept of turbo engines and stoichiometric air fuel mixture. BTW, your Ford Farmont with 3.3 L I6 only had about 94 hp, and 157 lb-ft of torque, which is significantly less than even the smallest and weakest naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engines of today. Engines from the late 1970s, 1980s and even in the early 1990s just sucked.
@@Show-me-how-now I retired from a career in powertrain engineering and vehicle development in the Big 3, Danny. I know horsepower and torque calculation. The important thing for driveability is the shape of the torque curve in the lower rpm range. The 1980 3.3L naturally-aspirated I-6 had a very steep rise in the lower 1000-1600 range. In those days, it drove very well for that engine displacement, and got excellent fuel economy for a 6-cylinder. I improved on mpg with the manual transmission's overdrive gearing. You are incorrect, however, in saying to increase horsepower you simply need to increase rpm. The shape of the torque curve enters the calculation of hp, and increased rpm's ITSELF does not generate horsepower. In fact, the torque and horsepower curves reach a peak at a point in rpm's, then begin to fall as rpm's increase. On the old 3.3L, after 3500 rpm, horsepower flat-lined, and thereafter fell. After 2000 rpm, torque was already falling, so you didn't accelerate very fast after getting to highway speed, even though nominally horsepower was still increasing up to 3500 rpm. Far too much is made of horsepower numbers, in marketing and in the automotive press. My earlier statement doesn't change, long-stroke is not good for durability. The Ford engine will be more durable. I seriously doubt Toyota is moderating boost at highway speeds, based on engine torque. Today's ECU-controlled fuel-injected engine stoichiometric range is a given, no matter whether the turbo is in-use or not, anyway. The driver's foot controls when the turbo kicks in, not base engine torque per se. Drivers get impatient, even when torque is nominally still increasing (slowly) on a given engine's torque curve, and they press down on the accelerator for the turbo boost, which robs fuel economy for the vast majority of drivers. Toyota cannot program that boost out at highway speeds, or else they risk owner dissatisfaction with the powertrain. As far as I know, there aren't any naturally aspirated (and non-hybrid) 4-cylinders left on modern cars/trucks sold in the US by high-volume mainstream brands, so there isn't any true comparison as such to my old 90+ hp I-6. 😀
@@rayrussell6258 Hi Ray, there are actually lots of naturally aspirated 4 cylinders engines being sold. Ford Maverick and Escape Hybrid. Base Santa Cruz pickup. Nissan Rogue, Toyota Camry 2.5 L, Toyota Prius, Honda Civic 2.0 L, etc. In terms of Reliability only time will tell. My Dad’s 3 previous 3.5 L (2010, 2016 and 2021) have been good. However, for some stupid reason some idiot at Ford decided to place the water pump inside the front timing cover. So replacement is a very expensive and long process compared to a normal water pump.
Oh my mpg on my tundra 5.7 is 13.5 with lift ,an 33s tonneau cover rest is stock, and I'm not knocking anyone who likes the new tundra ,but it's not my look or engine, I would love to see you do ford 5.0 mpg vs v6 trucks that would be interesting, because im looking to buy a Ford now if I decide to sell my tundra ,probably won't but if I did it's 5.0 Ford now .
I bought a new 2002 Tundra and still have it today. Great truck. Anyways, the oil pressure gauge on it has always been low. There is lots of info on it online about it cause Toyota set it that way for some reason. But 187,000 miles and 20 years later the truck still runs great. And I use it on SE Oklahoma mountain dirt roads as a feed truck primarily now.
I have an '02 Tundra with the 4.7 V8 (original owner). She just rolled past 400K! I have always had a low oil pressure reading too. This is an Alaska truck too. Lots of cold weather and dirt roads and she is still going strong.
I have a 2020 ram 1500 was considering changing to a tundra . Tundra was what I originally set out to get but when I went looking no one had any ,it was the start of covid . Just wondering if it would be worth switching
@tim Hearing about Turbo issues…would love to hear your thoughts and a video with perhaps an interview with Toyota on this issue or at least a summary of your interactions with them on it. Super impressive mileage. Fo sho.
2020 ram 1500 5.7 e torque 392 gears 2wd odo.44100.5 most I’ve got highway 73-75mph 21.5 mpg 200 mile round trip that was 1 week ago My driving in town is different sometimes I get on it, sometimes I just cruise it and I bounce around 13.9-16.5 to me 5.7 hemi I couldn’t ask for better, power is just awesome.
I never got more than 21 on my 2 wheel drive Tacoma and not even close to that now with 70k miles on it. Avg of 17mpg, with slightly bigger tires, now so this is looking real nice.
My 2018 Silverado made 24.3mpg 400 mile average.... it has the V8/V4 set up.... I love Tundras but that isn't so impressive. My average in the hills of Wv (with a semi heavy foot) is around 16. I'm not ready to go back into major debt and trade my Silverado back for a new Tundra based on the fuel economy for sure. Thanks for the in depth, well narrated video.
*You know…. I’m still considering buying this truck. 😈😈😈😈 But the only issue I have is the one time a month I have to park in a city whether it’s Boston or NYC. Other do it so I guess I can get better at parking. Good video!*
I bought a brand new 2019 Ford 5L V8 and had excessive oil consumption problems. At 2,000 miles, it was not reading any oil on the dipstick. I complained a lot at the dealership and traded it for a brand new 2020 Ford 3.5L Ecoboost. After 5,000 miles, I started having turbo shudder problems. Got burned twice in a row by Ford. No more Fords for me, although I heard they fixed the excessive oil consumption problems on the V8.
I'm glad I didn't just skip to the end and I hope a lot of people didn't. Not just Toyota but all car manufacturers are trying there best to get the emissions and pollution down. If that makes people up set because there's no v8 motor that's what it is.
I’ve heard a few owners talk about that and TRD Jon (another channel and my friend) had an issue with his. He did a quick mod on the door and it went away.
I did a cross country from San Francisco Bay Area to Tampa Bay Area in a loaded up Ford Expedition Max (Ford's Suburban), 3.5 l Ecoboost, through cities, mountains, deserts, etc. My combined average was 20 mpg, so I am not surprised by your result. In fact, considering the conditions of the test, as close to driving downhill in a vacuum as you can get, I thought it might have been higher. That Ford was pretty impressive, btw, particularly when comes to steering, felt like a much smaller vehicle.
Like the new 2022 Tundra but the coil spring rear suspension, the TTV6, no Auto 4wd and The smaller cabs (The DC is now useless for rear seat passengers) was the 4 hitter quiter that made me say Nooo way, Not a chance that I'd buy this.not knocking it, but just not truck enough for what it costs and for what I use a truck for.
Interesting results. For future reference I recommend using a portable gps that tracks miles traveled as truck odometers can give an inaccurate mileage based on tire variations due to tire age, inflation, size or brand. Especially if you compare across different truck brands.
I talked to an employee at a local Toyota dealer when I had my car in for service. He said about 1 out of every 3 2022 Tundras they sold came back within a year because the turbos failed and they were replaced under warranty. He said so far the 2023 model is looking better but time will tell. I wouldn’t buy a first year re-design of any vehicle.
You have to take the number like a grain of salt, redo that run tomorrow and the number could be less. But it’s probably safe to say it will be consistently above or right at 20 mpg.
Of course it will change day to day because there are so many variables that go into it As Tim explained he did everything possible to keep things fair for this truck compared to any other vehicle that he test drives I have seen many of his test drives and he does a very good job keeping things equal and fair
Will this engine make it to 200,000 miles? Both my last V8 engines did. One was a Ford F250 and the other a Toyota Tundra. That turbo charger makes me believe I won't see that kind of longevity out of this drivetrain.
Like your vids, I subscribed. I own a ‘21 Ridgeline Sport, I’m a Toyota guy but so far, not sure, Ridgeline hasn’t given me any trouble, and waiting to see how Tundra’s hybrid is, how Tacoma is redesigned.
The 5.0L has a 12:1 compression ratio. That is how they are gaining efficiency. It is also E-85 compatible which cuts its emissions down by as much as 80%. It can be one of the cleanest truck motors you can buy today.
@@tv-ke4lx it depends where you are buying it. Some states are promoting it as a great product and selling it for half the price or regular. Some places sell it more like avgas because the 109 octane gives some engines like the 5.0L a major bump in power, so they are charging extra for the performance. Many 5.0L owners use E-85, at it gets better economy on propane or E-85 then the base 3.3L gets.
if your in Nebraska and got those numbers thats pretty damn good. I've driven across country 4 times in the past year and a half and the fuel in Nebraska and that state specifically cut my fuel milage by 35-40%! and it was consistent 3 trips in summer and 1 trip in the fall season... each time as I crossed the boarder and filled up my MPG was cut by 35%
Thanks for answering the low oil pressure indication as it was a concern of mine. I did comment on another of your video's, asking about this potential issue. Thanks again Tim awesome channel.
i’ll save everyone the suspense … he got 24.2 mpg
Thank you!
Thank you for your service.😌
Ikr...thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you lol
I appreciate the fact that as a UA-camr who reviews trucks, you actually bought this truck & are giving real world reviews/results of what you experience. Keep up the great work!
@Dae Roberts yeah that's some privilege most of us won't have
True. A lot of the channels reviewing the new tundra are just talking about shit that they heard or what they think. Hell one guy compared his crew max cab to a double cab like we wouldn’t notice. Smdh .
Thanks.
Pretty much the same mileage I’m getting here in 🇨🇦 with my 2017 Ford F-150 XTR extended cab 4X4 with the 2.7 litre V6. I’m very happy with my mileage.
2020 Silverado 3500 dually with the 6.6 gasser unloaded on the highway running at 75 mph I get 16-17 mpg city driving will bring it down to 15 and loaded with 18k pounds I get around 7-9 depending on grades this new 6.6 gasser is a beast. Also this is all while running 35x12.50 mud tires with 2 3 inch spacers on the rear of each side and a leveling kit tires stick out half a foot from the dually fenders.
My 2.7 F150 I had, I've gotten a couple times 25 mpg on a 100 mile trip doing 65 most of the time. And that was a 2016 with the old transmission.
Only channel that actually tell us things that we don’t know. Thanks
The issue with the turbo is not that they had some problems. This issue is that they pulled the body off the truck to fix it. That implies if you buy one for long term (like many Toyota owners looking for reliability) and you need need to service the turbo well beyond the warranty, then the truck is essentially totaled. So the question is: "What is involved with servicing the turbo?"
Lots of money long term I'm guessing, ive had many turbos an nothing will stop bearings from going out in time ,dosen't matter who vehicle it is ,I mean toyota, Ford, so on ,turbos are just expensive in general.
I think I'll stick with my '18 aspirated V8 tundra for the long term reliability rather than 6 more mpg's and an unreliable turbo in maybe 3-5 yrs
So your saying the oil pressure gauge is reading more accurate than other gauges finally something about a Toyota I can like
My 2004 Sequoia has had the same low oil pressure guage issue since day one. 240,000mi. later, its still purring like a kitten.
A kitten of passion.
Junk
@@johncronstrom9140 Goof
My owners manual on the 1st gen mentions the varying oil pressure, it's normal with no worries
110k views but only 66k subs???? doesn’t make sense. Thank you for taking the time to do these vids
meant 69k lol and it’s been 1 day since the upload
It is odd. My views are really strong across this channel yet subs are hard to come by. Oh well. I'd rather have the views.
All I can say is can’t get enough of you baby (meaning Tundra)! Not stressing for the hybrid. Pick mine up this Friday 1/27/22.
Holy cow. I have a 2016 and get 13.9. Thanks for the video. I want one of these ‘22 tundras that’s for sure.
@PickupTruckPlusSUVTalk ...... I'd love to hear your take on the wastegate issue.
For sure. Wouldn’t want a truck that. requires the cab or engine to be removed for a repair. Especially after the warranty expires
I just did a video.
I got my 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD Sports back in December 14th, i been driving it daily for 2 months now i got 2,600 miles on it as of today. I have been averaging 16mpg city/highway in cold and snowing condition in the month of January here in Ohio, but when the weather is a bit warmer it goes up 18mpg in city/highway combined.
I got 24.8 in my 2020 Silverado 5.3 with a 8 speed automatic transmission. Running 80 in the hills of Tennessee on the interstate with 1500 pounds of payload. My truck is a 4 full door crew.
Sure you did
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@@JuanHerrera-ji5ti I have the picture from the on board computer in which I verified by my calculator because I didn't believe it myself. If I knew how there was a way to attach it to this I would. I don't lie!
I bought a 2024 Tundra Limited 4x4, and the engine failed at 5,631 miles. One of the cylinders got oil in it and failed the plug. It was nothing I did. First time I’ve had trouble with a Toyota, and I’ve had many. I will say they took good care of me though. The dealership put me in a brand new Tundra Platinum for the same payments. We’ll see how this one does.
Recently took my 21 F150 STX crew FX4 3.5 Ecoboost on 400 mile all interstate trip. I have BFG KO3s tires. It got 22.3 mpg hand calculated in hilly terrain at 75 mph. I was very happy with it.
75mph going up and down hills and you got 22? Sounds hard to believe.
@@craptainofsea That's because it's the internet and likely BS. People are retarded.
Put my 2022 Tundra 1794 4x4 on order on December 7th Still waiting for 3 months and don’t know when I will get delivery. Ordered at Fred Hass in Houston where this reviewed 2022 Tundra was picked up. So far my eco boost F-150 hasn’t needed another top
End like it did in 2021. Thanks for your review.
I love how these new trucks are getting such better mileage and still have the power. I have a ‘21 F-150 XLT CC 2WD w/2.7 ecoboost and 3.55 rear end. Just completed a 1200 mile round trip from Tennessee to Louisiana and back with the speedometer set at 72, and got 24.8 computer, 25.1 hand calculated. That’s roughly the same my V6 Grand Cherokee got on the same loop, and it’s a few hundred pounds lighter.
Great to hear Tim's experience and yours.
IMHO, the 2.7 EB is best engine to come out in the last decade. We have a 2.7 EB in an F150 that's spent the majority of it's time in an open cast mine. Hot, dusty conditions with a pile of idling time. Numerous trips back and forth each working day to labs about 100 km return trip. Reliable, powerful and fuel efficient. .
I’m looking at trucks and still have an open mind to larger SUV’s and I’m still surprised many of the big trucks get the same mileage as many mid-sized trucks and 7-seater suv’s!
hey Tim, I am glad that you are mentioning lane tracing (toyota)/ lane centering (ford). I would love to see a comparison between ford's LC and Toyota's LTA. I know this is a feature that a lot of reviewers does not care to review and I get it, not a lot of people use it , however, it is one of the feature that is a must for my next vehicle as I do long-distance driving. TIA and pls keep the vids coming.
Ford are Sox…..
I have owned the Tundra for about a month, and borrowed my friends F150 for about a week. The Ford lane centering work much better. It activates sooner and more often when approaching a line. If you test drive the Tundra, you will see it doesn't work that well.
Traded my 2007 Tundra Limited Crewmax for a 2021 Silverado 3.0 liter Duramax…..went from 15 mpg to 28 mpg. Don’t regret the trade whatsoever. Even still getting better mpg then 24 so Toyota needs to bring the diesel to America in my opinion.
Your yearly maintenance costs , oil changes in particular may change your mind. Even if you do them yourself. Any emissions parts are ridiculously high....even worse on the Jeep diesel.
@@JL-nq6iq You would think that, but I’m still happy with the change. Oil changes are a little more but not drastically. DEF hasn’t been as bad as I initially thought. Apples to apples, I’m still operating in the “black”.
Are the ventilated seats suction like the Highlander or do they actually blow air through the seat?
People just want to complain to be honest and most of these ppl are not interested of buying $hit. I honest to God have never missed the V8. I love the 3.5 EcoBoost. I love the power and the gas mileage. Thank Tim for this beautiful review.
I get it, although I still prefer the older V8 like the coyote. Not as fast or efficient as those great Ecoboost engines, but it feels more “natural” and the sound makes it up to me.
I had a 3.5 ecoboost. Went back to V8. The gas mileage is nearly identical and the 5.0 didn’t have the issues my ecoboost did. Everyone’s got good / bad experiences but I’m staying with a naturally aspirated V8.
My 3.5 EB is powerfule and fuel efficient. What mileage numbers are you getting with your EB?
Average 20.5. Highest was 24. Lowest was 12 with broken phasers towing travel trailer uphill. 😂 2018 FX4 Screw 3.5 EB. Yes, I just got it back from the dealership yesterday. All fixed, $0.
Really appreciate how thorough and informative your videos are.
That’s actually really good for a full size truck. That’s numbers of a suv. That’s awesome, thank you for making this video!
Which Suv?
wow, i have a 2021 Tacoma sr-5 and may upgrade to a 6-cylinder Tundra... nice upload...
My 2021 Tundra 2wd has rated 13 - 17 highway. I use a 100% gasoline 87 octane. Nashville to Gatlinburg got 18.3 highway. Nashville to Tampa Florida 19.7 highway. 72ﾟ averaging 75 to 80 miles per hour. This was with the bigger nitto grappler tires also. I will be putting lighter weight tires on in the future, possibly electric fan. Is going to try to lighten the truck by 200 pounds.
Yes, I got same results in TX when I owned a 2007 Tundra DC 4wd, SR5 w/TRD 5.7L. I ran OEM sized A/T tires. Drop-in K&N air filter w/ air box mod was only performance mod. Hard folding tonneau cover. Best ever mpg was 20.6 mpg hwy running through PA using BP regular gas. Truck was loaded down with gear for a one year assignment out of state.
What a true gentlemen, what a video, thank you. I have a 2002 V-8 Tundra 140,000 miles and commute every day to work, no fancy lights in this thing but it can fly and the only thing wrong is the steering rack is starting to leak. Reliable toyota's.
Good video! I have a new one ton Ford to pull my fifth wheel. I do like my new truck, but if Toyota made a one ton I would buy it. They don’t break down!
I have had 5 Toyota or Lexus vehicles. Took them all to high miles. They weren’t perfectly reliable. But they were close to it.
But what they were NOT, is fuel efficient. Your results are shockingly good.
I bought a new 2016 F150 4x2 4 door with a 2.7 ecoboost v6. The only reason I bought the truck was because I could get it with a 165 cuin v6 twin turbo. If it only came with a 3.5 n/a v6 and a 5.0 v8. I would not have bought a F150. I used to drive for Lyft with my truck getting 19 mpg in the city. You have to have a light foot to get this number but it is real. I have 81k miles on my truck now and the only problem I've had with the engine is a $20 cylinder head temp sensor.
As a tundra owner. We wanted more towing weight. And better fuel economy
My new used 7000 mile 2021 Ford F150 hybrid did 26.5 highway and a very little local traffic area 128 miles bringing it home from dealer. Fayetteville NC to Myrtle Beach SC. Average 65 mph highway.
Just spoke with my Toyota sales rep here in Canada and he stated from their training course today the combined fuel rating for the trd pro is 11.2L/100km or 21mpg.
That’s actually 25.2 imperial mpg since you are using CDN litres/100km. Not sure why a Canadian dealership would give you US mpg numbers.
@@TheIrongutz they just gave the litres, used an online converter to get mpg, what’s your math to get 25.2 mpg?
@@AkashChahal A US gallon is only 3.8 litres and a imperial (Canadian/UK) gallon is 4.54 litres. Just take your Km’s you drove and convert to miles, then convert litres to either US or Imperial gallons and do the miles/gallons math for either. Or, just use the online convert and just output to UK mpg. The US mpg figures are always less than ours because they measure gas volume in US gallons.
@@TheIrongutz yeah that’s what I did, I gave the l/100km measurement and US Mpg measurement for reference. Didn’t think anyone would use imperial measurements since we use l/100km up here and the states only use us gallons.
I'm going to keep my 2008 Toyota tundra 5.7 l. By the time they want those emissions down I'll be using a different fuel source. Pulling I get about 15.6 with a light trailer heavy load trailer at 70 only 10-12 mpg. The highest I've gotten is 20 mpg on 93 octane. I was just curious on if any better gas mileage or not. Good to see some progress.
I am really worried about towing on a v6 “turbo” I wish they kept the v8
What? 😂🤣 you realize what the hp and torque specs are right?
I clicked for mpg and got so much more precise, entertaining and informative intel. You are a star. Much appreciated! Thank you.
I heard Toyota is backpedaling on a subscription charge for the remote start just curious if you’ve heard anything
Sure hope so Steve.
2018 Nissan Titan, we drove upstate NY to Glacier/Yellowstone and then back, total miles driven was 8500 miles. Gas mileage for the entire trip was 24.5 mpg. A little interstate Highway driving but not much really, mostly secondary highways. We had camping supplies, clothing, cooler, etc., in the truck. We were pleasantly surprised with our mileage. Travel was done in July and early August 2019.
That's ridiculously good mileage. Does it have a 5.6?
@@glennnichols4220 yup. As long as one doesn’t go crazy with a lead foot or something like that, one can easily get decent gas mileage with the Titan.
@@adkkev The more you ease into the throttle the better fuel mileage is. I rememember when a lot of HWYs I drove when younger were 55 some 65 and where I live now it's 75. Anything after 55 you start to waste fuel. I get far better mileage at 65 than 75 or 80 and I bet if they still had 55mph zones my mielage would be able to hit EPA ratings. I took off the cats on my car. Opened up to about 450hp and could get about 30 on the freeway at 75ish in perfrct condition. I bet if I dialed it back to 55 I bet I could almost get mid 30's.
I’d be really interested to see your 3.5eb vs 5.0 coyote reliability dataset
I really wish I could find a 5.0L V8. I've been searching and nobody seems to have one at a dealer or in the media fleet.
I like my 5.0 Coyote 2017 f150 Lariat
I put headers on my 6.2l silverado and average over 18mpg allday. 20+ on the freeway, and it doesnt heat soak. Im curious when towing, how hot the oil gets cooling 2 turbos. So if i tow go shasta (4+ hours in 105* heat) what is ny oil longevity with turbos? Thats more or less the issue. Heat generation with these twin turbo V6s. On initial test drives they are fun. 100 miles into 105* weather its dramatically different then a test drive on a 65* morning....
Love the V8 vs 3.5l turbo reliability vs pollution. I've spent so much time saying turbod engines can be very reliable but I love the resukts of the packaged research you provided.
Coming from someone who majored in energy, comparing reliability and pollution makes no since. If you are looking at CO2, which is harmless, electric vehicles have a higher CO2 footprint when looking the product lifespan. That being manufacturing to end of life.
My 2019 F 150 RC LB V8 2wd will regularly show 28mpg when cruising at 60mph on a 30 mile door to door trip from Chicago to N. IL. Once I made a 45 mile trip and the DIC showed 31mpg. Even discounting it by 10% (Ford DIC reading is known to be optimistic) 28mpg is pretty AMAZING - and a V8! Truck weight on door jamb listed at 4,350lbs. I put some STX 20x8.5" wheels and big Cooper AT 3 tires on for winter and gas mileage plummets. Part of it is cold temperature seems to hurt mileage, but the rolling stock weight increase is huge. Same trip (up hwy 41) will register maybe 20mpg in gentle 55-60 cruising. I estimate 3" tire height difference makes odo read 10% low, so I would not apply the 10% Ford Optim-ometer DIC reading and compare it as 20mpg vs 25mpg - massive 20% drop.
I had a ram 1500 4x4 with the 3.6L V6 for years, with stock tires I averaged 26mpg highway all the time. Dropped to 22mpg when I added a set of 10 ply AT tires. Averaged 11mpg towing 7500lbs which is the same I get with my ‘21 tundra v8 towing the same 7500lbs.
Yea I find when towing v6 engines get just as bad mpg as a v8
I don't know what you're doing with your Ford F150 eqoboost 3.5 or the Powerboost but I own a Powerboost and reliably, trip after trip I get 25/25. That's 25 in the city and 25 on the highway and I'm driving in Phoenix Arizona and it's outskirt highways which are usually rolling rather than flat. My 2015 2.7 L eqoboost reliably got 19 in the city and 24 on the highway.
Great video providing real world experience and results. Exactly the type of video people are looking for when researching new products through UA-cam videos.
Also the Prius V can also carry water heaters, furnaces, & most residential AC condensers with the seats folded down.
Great job as usual Tim, but getting 22mpg highway with my 5.0 F150 - there isn't much reason for me to give up my beautiful V8. Only time it loses out is in city driving - but I didn't buy my truck for that. It feels at home out here in harsh Canadian Rocky Mountain winters.
How many miles on your 5.0l?
And what year is it?
I never did better than 20 with mine, average 18mpg 2014 F150 5.0L.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit 100,000km (60k miles or so?) 2018 with the 10 speed. XLT mid level package - no parking sensors or blind spot monitor, dynamic cruise or anything else. Fanciest feature is rear defrost and auto dimming driver/interior mirror pretty much; with a locking 3.55 rear, super cab with 1900lbs of payload, flowmaster true duals and S&B air box. I will drive this thing for many, many years to come. Every time I see a newer truck I admire it for a couple of minutes, but then I look at mine and realize how much more I love the simplicity of it. Relatively cheap to fix, I can take it to the local mechanic shop I trust. Use full synthetic and replace the oil every 7,500km. Brings a smile to my face every time I even slightly get into the gas pedal - that smooth V8 torque - and oh boy, the cold morning remote starts. Can hear it a few blocks away haha. I feel incredibly lucky to be able to enjoy one of the last vehicles made for purists before we go full electric/computerized.
@@terrencejones9817 Oh really? Although I feel like an average of 18mpg is not bad at all - depending on how much city we're talking.
@@uttamgala7186 shame you didn’t get a 2015-2017 5.0L 2nd gen those were the best
The 2018-2021 get a tick after about your mileage supposedly and have oil burning issues being a 3rd gen
Great video as usual. I have gotten 24.8 with my 2021 6.2 High Country crew cab back road cruising under 55 mph easily. I always go easy on the gas, and I average usually 18ish in daily driving around town rural PA. I have a 2022 Platinum Tundra on order hope it gets better mileage your video gives me hope. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, I had a similar experience. But that engine requires premium fuel.
They make a great truck. My only concern is with the life span of the V6 twin turbo versus the V8.
Every new car/truck most likely will only get to 200k miles before needed major repairs
It's a Toyota enuff said.
What do you think of a v6 turbo truck reliability on the long run?? Im kind of an oldschool v8 truck for work!!
Very nice video Tim! I recently drove an unloaded 2019 f150 XL supercrew 4x4 with the 6.5 ft bed, 3.5 ecoboost and 3.31 gears on about 130 miles of mixed highway (55-60 mph) and small towns and was equally shocked! The truck got 24.8 average miles per gallon. Around town with normal, albeit gentle driving is typically 21.5 miles per gallon if I stay at or below 65. If I get in the turbos, have a heavy load or drive at higher speeds it'll definitely drop to around 17mpg. Nice to see the tundra is comparable
The key in getting good economy is to stay out of boost. Whenever a turbo engine is under boost it uses more fuel for the same amount of hp than a non turbo engine because a turbo engine has to run rich to prevent predetonation. It can run stoich under boost like a non turbo engine can. So the phrase "you either get eco or boost" is very true.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix What is "stoich"?
@@richardhouvener6423 its the ratio of air to fuel where you have exactly enough air is provided to completely burn all of the fuel. That ratio is known as the stoichiometric mixture or stoich for short.
@@richardhouvener6423 14.7 air/fuel
I have 2016 ecoboost 3.5 ant cant get anything better than 18mpg. Haven't ever been loaded, all highway miles. Real mpg is 16 when I drive normally
Have a question, I won't get an electric vehicle but have considered a hybrid but after the report I heard recently am not sure about a hybrid. Question is what is the cost for the hybrid battery pack. I know you will say it is warranted for 8 or 10 years or whatever it is. That is irrelevant, if it is past the warranty, how much is it to replace. Asking because was on the news recently, person purchased a 2014 vehicle (Chevy, I think) paid 11,000 for it. 6 or 7 months later it needed a new battery pack. The cost was 14,000, that is 3,000 more than they paid for the vehicle for the battery. How much is it, I want to be an educated consumer but the cost is not online that I can find. You talked about the reliability of the turbos, okay. But if or when there is an issue they are more expensive to fix. Looking at over a grand each just to get started on maintenance. But I really do not know that I want to pay 50,000 to 80,000 for a vehicle that will cost another 10,000, maybe less, maybe more, but as of now, is an unspecified amount for a battery pack. My current Toyota is a 2009. I keep what I buy unless it has major issues, then will trade for something else.
One 3 gallon fill-up is not a great indicator of fuel mileage. One thing to consider on this particular truck is the unusually long filler tube. Fuel tank is on the passenger side while the filler port is on the driver side. This can make the auto shut off system in the pump less consistent. My guess is that the real MPG is closer to what was indicated on your trip computer. The best way to measure actual MPG is to log fuel usage over several thousand miles. This smoothes out the inconsistencies. None the less it seems Toyota has definitely improved the overall fuel economy of the Tundra. Well done Toyota, well done.
John Huff,
"Fuel tank is on the passenger side while the filler port is on the driver side. This can make the auto shut off system in the pump less consistent."
I 'm not convinced. I'm thinking it wouldn't make much (any !) difference. No proof either way ...
@@fjb4932 he's talking about air in the line coming back to trick the pump shut-off. This happens on all vehicles. However, he's right, the longer the distance, the more likely air will get trapped along the way, and cause a premature shut-off. Air has less ability to escape as fuel goes in, when the narrow line is longer from the tank opening, holding fuel in the line briefly that you just put in before it can get to the tank. For a proper top-off, you have to see the fuel, not accept the pump blindly.
Even on normal systems with both tank and fill on same side, I've had a lot of variation on the number of times the pump shuts off before I actually see the fuel level in the tube. I top off on every refueling, and my trucks have two tanks, not just one. It happens all year round.
it is a weak 6 cyl compared to my 2021 Tundra 4x4.
Can one add accessories to upgrade the truck with OEM parts. For example can I add the upgraded rear view camera system? I own a 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD 4X4.
Not that I'm aware of at the moment. Aftermarket is likely working on it.
Thanks for the post. I appreciate all the details and spec's you provide. Just wanted to add my MPG for my 2020 F150 XL/STX super crew with the 5.0. I use 87 octane mostly from Costco. All street driving is 15 - 17 mpg. All hwy driving is 20 - 22 mpg. Combined driving is 18 - 19 mpg. Now I have take a long road trip from Arizona to South Dakota and at a certain point there wasn't 87 octane available so I started using 91. My hwy mpg increased to 24 - 26. I was blown away! Now to be clear this is no towing, just some camping equipment in the bed with a driver and 2 passengers.
That Coyote is a hell of an engine.
I have 5.7 tundra an this new one no way I would buy one ,im actually looking at that same truck you have, ive had those Ford 5.0 an those are an were ahead of there time ,one of best engines ever built.
I want to know how much it cost to replace a turbo outside of warranty considering the cab has to be removed to complete this repair. Turbos wear out.
I think the oil pressure "L" means about 40 psi and the "H" is about 80 psi so no issue on the oil pressure gauge.
It'd make the gauges more informative/useful if they'd put the numerical values on them. Just a thought for Toyota.
@@ksorsomeplace ya id like to see a value on there. might as well be a picture of a potatoe and and barbie doll or something.
@@ZodVisto Don't have any idea what you are saying.
Hey I have 2012 Tundra best truck ever. Are you saying not to purchase the new Tundra with all the issues
Depends on what you see as big issues. The majority are minor to be sure.
Last November I rented a 2021 Chevy 1500 Silverado to help a friend move 250 miles. I put 522 mile total on that truck over the weekend, 250 loaded with furniture, and the rest unloaded. I averaged 12 MPG for the trip. I used cruse control as much as possible at 70MPH. Chevy lied. The only way you could get even 18 MPG would be to drive 55 on cruise, and accelerate really, really slow - slow enough to piss-off everyone unlucky enough to get behind you. Basically, Drive like a 95 year old lady. Now, with gas at $4.50 a gallon, yikes! I would hate to have to fill that tank!
What engine? I get consistent 19-20 mpg on my 47 mile commute with a mix of highway/city on my '20 silverado 1500 V6. My '17 TRD pro tundra used to get 11.4 mpg
@@albertopaniagua55 It was a rental, not sure what engine it had. But we were using it like a pick-up truck - loading it with stuff and getting work done. I love driving a pick up (loaded with all the great tech packages) and love sitting up higher than cars & SUV's, but I hate the stops at the gas pump!
Wait! Have you tested the 2.7 V6 in the F-150? My in and around average is 21mpg and my highway averages to 28mpg. This is on my 2021 F-150 4wd 4 door.
I had a 2021 Titan 2wd crew cab a while back as a loaner and even running 80mph i averaged 19mpg. Running between 70 and 75 I consistently got 21mpg. Way better than I expected from that truck.
Yes, Nissan is pretty impressive. I am waiting on the '22 Tundra but have a '19 4wd Titan now. I almost always get 18-18.5 mpg on backroads, little to no highway. They are very impressive.
yup NA v8 mpg will be more sensitive to RPM and not MPH. the forced induction v6tt are more sensitive to mph, once you go over 75mph, the boost is on most of the time and gets horrible mpgs, even if you are sitting at under 2000rpms.
@@fongvang935 you are absolutely right. I have Sequoia with the 5.7, same as tundra '07-'21. Max torque comes on at 1950 rpm. If I cruise at 65mph, it stays at1800 rpm and I get 17mpg. If I cruise at 75 mph, its at 2100 rpm and I get 13 mpg that is the same as its city mpg!
@@fongvang935 exactly!
@@johndeaux9987 They're definitely an underdog. My brother has an 18 pro4x and loves it. I have a 16 xd platinum reserve and love it. Definitely the best seats of any truck by far. But that 2021 loaner definitely has me considering a new XD evem though the diesel is discontinued. I have towed the same stuff with half tons amd my XD and there is no comparison, especially with stability. Anyone who says you a half ton can do better towing hasnt towed with an XD. World of difference, especially in cross winds and 2 lane roads when an oncoming 18 wheeler flys by from the other lane.
Great vid! How much do yo think MSRP on the TRD will be? OTD
$67k.
Hey Tim. Love your channel. Does the new Tundra require 87 octane fuel. I live in Denver and we have 85 as an option just like you. I noticed you used 87. Wondering what the owners manual states.
Owners manual says 87.
Do not run 85 period. It can cause catastrophic failure in the engine over time. Especially, on a high performance, twin turbo engine.
I just bought this truck yesterday. Awesome ride!
I’d be interested to hear what engineers have to say about the reliability of the on board MPG numbers. I feel filling up like you did or even the 2 click method have too many variables. How far is nozzle in and even the angle it’s in affects how much gas goes in.
I’ve done this test a few times. Sometimes I’m spot on, others I’m way off.
I’ve seen a lot of mpg test on this truck and others and the computers are surprisingly accurate
Who really cares about that kind of detail especially when you’re buying a truck
If you can do a test like Kim dead and you were up there around 20 or higher you should be happy
It's close enough that a few ounces won't throw off mpg that much
Is this 3.5 v6 tacomas engine +twin turbo? Or its a completely new engine?
Completely different.
That is pretty impressive mileage, but how about while towing or at least with some reasonable load. I rarely drive my truck unloaded. Hauling hay, dirt bikes, pulling an RV, that is the real MPG test. The new small diesels also get better mileage. Certainly better than the old 5.7 for sure. But how could it not be?
Thanks for the great information!
Next week for towing.
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesnt do mucn bettwr than the old 5.7 when towing because you'll be under boost alot more and when a turbo engine is inder boost it has to run rich, so for the same given power it will use more fuel than a naturally aspirated engine because the naturally aspirated engine can run stoich where the turbo engine cant.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
Yes and no
You’ll be into the turbos more but with the 10 speed transmission it helps to balance things out a bit
I seen several Towing Videos and it seems to get a couple miles to the gallon better than a V-8 but honestly when you’re towing if you get better than five or 6 miles to the gallon on any truck with any engine you are doing good
@@tv-ke4lx that is true. I was stoked when I got 13mpg in my titan XD towing a heaby food trailer. Pretty good considering the truck weighs 7400lbs by itself.
@@tv-ke4lx TFL has already shot a video that disputes your claim. A Ram 1500 with a V8 got better mileage towing 8,000 pounds than the 2022 Tundra did, and that was at 11,000 ft. above elevation where the twin turbos are much more efficient than n/a.
Yesterday I drove my 2010 ram 1500 hemi 4wd from Seattle to Spokane, cruise control set at 73. My mpg was 18.9 and my truck has 166,000. miles on it and still running strong. At this point I can't justify 60-70 k for something that get a couple more mpg's
I have that exact same truck! But mine gets 12.7 gallons no matter what I do, what size tires are you running? I have 92,000 on my odometer by the way.
Thanks, Jay
Hey Tim, I just compared the bore and stroke of both the Ecoboost and the Toyota. The Toyota has a 100 mm stroke vs 86.6 mm for the Ecoboost. A longer stroke makes more torque, but a short stroke revs higher and makes more horsepower. This likely means the Toyota can use less boost at highway speeds because the engine makes enough torque without the turbos for light loads. However, the Ford is faster, which the boys over at TFL Truck confirmed in a drag race. Again great videos. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦😎
Also, longer strokes wear the drivetrain more, which isn't as good for durability. The Ford will likely win that durability comparison too, over time.
Horsepower is what delivers higher power at highway speeds, not torque. Torque is "off-the-line" take off power. I think you have that "less boost needed on highway" suggestion reversed.
My 1980 Fairmont Futura 3.3L I-6 engined car had high torque, which made driveability around town very good, but horsepower from the engine was low, and that limited highway speeds quite a bit back then (but since 55 mph was the speed limit on interstates and highways, not many drivers noticed the shortcoming with that engineering design).
@@rayrussell6258 Do you know the formula for Horsepower. It’s HP=(torque x RPM)/ 5252. So if an engine can produce more torque it automatically means more HP at a given engine speed. A way to make more horsepower is to simply rev the engine higher.
A turbo engine can produce more torque at a lower rpm than a naturally aspirated engine. However, this comes at the cost of fuel economy. Now if an engine can produce enough torque without getting into boost, then The engine can operate it’s Stoichiometric range which means it’ll be more efficient. A longer stroke engine will help with this but a longer stroke engine can’t rev as high. Go watch the UA-cam channel called “engineering explained”. He has a really good UA-cam video on the concept of turbo engines and stoichiometric air fuel mixture.
BTW, your Ford Farmont with 3.3 L I6 only had about 94 hp, and 157 lb-ft of torque, which is significantly less than even the smallest and weakest naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engines of today. Engines from the late 1970s, 1980s and even in the early 1990s just sucked.
@@Show-me-how-now I retired from a career in powertrain engineering and vehicle development in the Big 3, Danny. I know horsepower and torque calculation.
The important thing for driveability is the shape of the torque curve in the lower rpm range. The 1980 3.3L naturally-aspirated I-6 had a very steep rise in the lower 1000-1600 range. In those days, it drove very well for that engine displacement, and got excellent fuel economy for a 6-cylinder. I improved on mpg with the manual transmission's overdrive gearing.
You are incorrect, however, in saying to increase horsepower you simply need to increase rpm. The shape of the torque curve enters the calculation of hp, and increased rpm's ITSELF does not generate horsepower.
In fact, the torque and horsepower curves reach a peak at a point in rpm's, then begin to fall as rpm's increase.
On the old 3.3L, after 3500 rpm, horsepower flat-lined, and thereafter fell. After 2000 rpm, torque was already falling, so you didn't accelerate very fast after getting to highway speed, even though nominally horsepower was still increasing up to 3500 rpm. Far too much is made of horsepower numbers, in marketing and in the automotive press.
My earlier statement doesn't change, long-stroke is not good for durability. The Ford engine will be more durable.
I seriously doubt Toyota is moderating boost at highway speeds, based on engine torque. Today's ECU-controlled fuel-injected engine stoichiometric range is a given, no matter whether the turbo is in-use or not, anyway. The driver's foot controls when the turbo kicks in, not base engine torque per se. Drivers get impatient, even when torque is nominally still increasing (slowly) on a given engine's torque curve, and they press down on the accelerator for the turbo boost, which robs fuel economy for the vast majority of drivers. Toyota cannot program that boost out at highway speeds, or else they risk owner dissatisfaction with the powertrain.
As far as I know, there aren't any naturally aspirated (and non-hybrid) 4-cylinders left on modern cars/trucks sold in the US by high-volume mainstream brands, so there isn't any true comparison as such to my old 90+ hp I-6. 😀
@@rayrussell6258 love when people with the knowledge chime in
@@rayrussell6258 Hi Ray, there are actually lots of naturally aspirated 4 cylinders engines being sold. Ford Maverick and Escape Hybrid. Base Santa Cruz pickup. Nissan Rogue, Toyota Camry 2.5 L, Toyota Prius, Honda Civic 2.0 L, etc.
In terms of Reliability only time will tell. My Dad’s 3 previous 3.5 L (2010, 2016 and 2021) have been good. However, for some stupid reason some idiot at Ford decided to place the water pump inside the front timing cover. So replacement is a very expensive and long process compared to a normal water pump.
Oh my mpg on my tundra 5.7 is 13.5 with lift ,an 33s tonneau cover rest is stock, and I'm not knocking anyone who likes the new tundra ,but it's not my look or engine, I would love to see you do ford 5.0 mpg vs v6 trucks that would be interesting, because im looking to buy a Ford now if I decide to sell my tundra ,probably won't but if I did it's 5.0 Ford now .
I bought a new 2002 Tundra and still have it today. Great truck. Anyways, the oil pressure gauge on it has always been low. There is lots of info on it online about it cause Toyota set it that way for some reason. But 187,000 miles and 20 years later the truck still runs great. And I use it on SE Oklahoma mountain dirt roads as a feed truck primarily now.
Your tundra is just broken in at that mileage.
I have an '02 Tundra with the 4.7 V8 (original owner). She just rolled past 400K! I have always had a low oil pressure reading too. This is an Alaska truck too. Lots of cold weather and dirt roads and she is still going strong.
I have a 2020 ram 1500 was considering changing to a tundra . Tundra was what I originally set out to get but when I went looking no one had any ,it was the start of covid . Just wondering if it would be worth switching
@tim Hearing about Turbo issues…would love to hear your thoughts and a video with perhaps an interview with Toyota on this issue or at least a summary of your interactions with them on it. Super impressive mileage. Fo sho.
2020 ram 1500 5.7 e torque 392 gears 2wd odo.44100.5 most I’ve got highway 73-75mph 21.5 mpg 200 mile round trip that was 1 week ago
My driving in town is different sometimes I get on it, sometimes I just cruise it and I bounce around 13.9-16.5 to me 5.7 hemi I couldn’t ask for better, power is just awesome.
I never got more than 21 on my 2 wheel drive Tacoma and not even close to that now with 70k miles on it. Avg of 17mpg, with slightly bigger tires, now so this is looking real nice.
I get about 17 in my 03 taco on 33s 🤙🏽
My 2018 Silverado made 24.3mpg 400 mile average.... it has the V8/V4 set up.... I love Tundras but that isn't so impressive. My average in the hills of Wv (with a semi heavy foot) is around 16. I'm not ready to go back into major debt and trade my Silverado back for a new Tundra based on the fuel economy for sure. Thanks for the in depth, well narrated video.
I have squeaked 25.6 on an 87 mile run in a 2018 F150, 4X4, 5.0, 3:31 gear ratio. LOVE MY V8!
*You know…. I’m still considering buying this truck. 😈😈😈😈 But the only issue I have is the one time a month I have to park in a city whether it’s Boston or NYC. Other do it so I guess I can get better at parking. Good video!*
Really appreciate how thorough and informative your videos are. You cover a lot of topics that the other channels don’t. Thanks
I bought a brand new 2019 Ford 5L V8 and had excessive oil consumption problems. At 2,000 miles, it was not reading any oil on the dipstick. I complained a lot at the dealership and traded it for a brand new 2020 Ford 3.5L Ecoboost. After 5,000 miles, I started having turbo shudder problems. Got burned twice in a row by Ford. No more Fords for me, although I heard they fixed the excessive oil consumption problems on the V8.
I'm glad I didn't just skip to the end and I hope a lot of people didn't. Not just Toyota but all car manufacturers are trying there best to get the emissions and pollution down. If that makes people up set because there's no v8 motor that's what it is.
So...I tested a 23 Off Road Tundra today. Loved everything except the wind noise? Now, I'm seeing all kinds of issues about this. Any input on this?
I’ve heard a few owners talk about that and TRD Jon (another channel and my friend) had an issue with his. He did a quick mod on the door and it went away.
@@Pickuptrucktalk My opinion on that is, I shouldn't have to mod or tweak a 60k vehicle.
I did a cross country from San Francisco Bay Area to Tampa Bay Area in a loaded up Ford Expedition Max (Ford's Suburban), 3.5 l Ecoboost, through cities, mountains, deserts, etc. My combined average was 20 mpg, so I am not surprised by your result. In fact, considering the conditions of the test, as close to driving downhill in a vacuum as you can get, I thought it might have been higher. That Ford was pretty impressive, btw, particularly when comes to steering, felt like a much smaller vehicle.
I get similar results with our F150s and the 3.5 EB and have been now for 4 years.
Tim, please go through the recommended maintenance schedule details...it should tell us something different than the previous v8s.
Like the new 2022 Tundra but the coil spring rear suspension, the TTV6, no Auto 4wd and The smaller cabs (The DC is now useless for rear seat passengers) was the 4 hitter quiter that made me say Nooo way, Not a chance that I'd buy this.not knocking it, but just not truck enough for what it costs and for what I use a truck for.
Interesting video. Why did you fill up with mid grade gasoline instead of regular gas? Is that what is required for fill-ups?
87 octane is what the manual states I should use.
I opted for the 6.2 Silverado and I get 23mpg on the highway
Hope your engine lifters last
This needs more coverage. Thanks for doing this video, very important.
Interesting results. For future reference I recommend using a portable gps that tracks miles traveled as truck odometers can give an inaccurate mileage based on tire variations due to tire age, inflation, size or brand. Especially if you compare across different truck brands.
The truck is brand new so I don’t think any of those apply .
My Rav4 gets 20.9mpg.....
How are your turbos doing? I like the tow hooks.
No issues with turbos.
I hate those gas stations with limits. My trucks all have large tanks and during these FJB gas prices, it almost always cuts off before full.
Yeah, pissed me off frankly. Hard to film and know when you have a full tank when it clicks at $50.
I talked to an employee at a local Toyota dealer when I had my car in for service. He said about 1 out of every 3 2022 Tundras they sold came back within a year because the turbos failed and they were replaced under warranty. He said so far the 2023 model is looking better but time will tell. I wouldn’t buy a first year re-design of any vehicle.
You have to take the number like a grain of salt, redo that run tomorrow and the number could be less. But it’s probably safe to say it will be consistently above or right at 20 mpg.
Of course it will change day to day because there are so many variables that go into it
As Tim explained he did everything possible to keep things fair for this truck compared to any other vehicle that he test drives
I have seen many of his test drives and he does a very good job keeping things equal and fair
Will this engine make it to 200,000 miles? Both my last V8 engines did. One was a Ford F250 and the other a Toyota Tundra. That turbo charger makes me believe I won't see that kind of longevity out of this drivetrain.
Loving the new Tundra content! I’m considering trading my 2020 in for the 22, and your channel has been helpful.
Like your vids, I subscribed. I own a ‘21 Ridgeline Sport, I’m a Toyota guy but so far, not sure, Ridgeline hasn’t given me any trouble, and waiting to see how Tundra’s hybrid is, how Tacoma is redesigned.
The 5.0L has a 12:1 compression ratio. That is how they are gaining efficiency. It is also E-85 compatible which cuts its emissions down by as much as 80%. It can be one of the cleanest truck motors you can buy today.
Except that no one uses E85 because it costs more money and it is less efficient
@@tv-ke4lx it depends where you are buying it. Some states are promoting it as a great product and selling it for half the price or regular. Some places sell it more like avgas because the 109 octane gives some engines like the 5.0L a major bump in power, so they are charging extra for the performance. Many 5.0L owners use E-85, at it gets better economy on propane or E-85 then the base 3.3L gets.
if your in Nebraska and got those numbers thats pretty damn good. I've driven across country 4 times in the past year and a half and the fuel in Nebraska and that state specifically cut my fuel milage by 35-40%! and it was consistent 3 trips in summer and 1 trip in the fall season... each time as I crossed the boarder and filled up my MPG was cut by 35%
Maybe not apples to apples in terms of power and torque output, but my 2021 Silverado Crew Cab with the 2.7 turbo regularly averages 23mpg.
Is your truck 4x4 or 4x2?
@@redfish1289 4x4
Thanks for answering the low oil pressure indication as it was a concern of mine. I did comment on another of your video's, asking about this potential issue. Thanks again Tim awesome channel.
I’ve noticed the comments. I did a video, but I think it worked better inside another video like this one.
I have an ecoboost 3.5 and I would trade it for a 5.0L in a heartbeat.
I own a 21 AT4 3.0 Duradiesel and the oil gauge is also set on the low side