Tough to say which is better...in the end it boils down to personal preference. Both are great vehicles and both are highly overpriced. Great video as usual.
Thanks Tim, Honesty in moto- journalism! I am aToyota owner but I don’t bash other brands.All manufacturers have pros and cons. People have to decide what they want or need when making an informed purchase and learning from you and journalists like you. Thank you Tim. Lauren from Ma
@@moulin680 🤯 I could have sworn mine was flat but now that you mention it, I do remember the rear floor mat always did have that slight raise to the middle of it 😅
Thanks for this review, with regards to mirrors the factory towing mirrors on the F-150 are excellent. I didn't realize how much I would use them for non-towing scenarios but the smaller convex mirror on the bottom eliminates all the blind spots and seriously improves the driving experience.
Tim - Great review. Both trucks do have Pros and Cons. But after reading some of the other comments below, maybe you should make another vid looping 14:50 to 16:55 about ten times. I hear all the time "My whatever can tow 13,800 Lbs." but the payload sticker shows something like 1478 lbs. Lol that works out to a 98 lb. driver.. Not so funny when there are 4 adults in the cab and the box is full of gear. Every year I see more and more wrecked pickups with trailers going downhill on I-70 through Colorado. Driving across Kansas (no offense) at max. payload with a trailer may be safe, but going down 7% grades is another story. And running overloaded is a sure way to become a statistic. No matter what brand you drive.
sadly that will limit you to v8s with cylinder deactivation (which is terrible for engines long term) or driving very old vehicles, no truck owners want to admit it but the v8 is definitely going to be killed by the CAFE standards, heavy duty trucks escape this regulation for now but they will be on the chopping block eventually
@@littlestinker9716 all cylinder deactivation engines experience excessive wear and degraded lifespans, its the nature of the technology, it was meant to reduce emissions they could care less if it cuts the lifespan of your engine in half
I’m going from a ford back to Toyota because of the corners cut by ford. Ford has hands down better options and a great/functional interior but I just didn’t want to deal with all the silly issues anymore where as my Toyotas I’ve had before felt brand new after 150k miles
Ford should have to pay a commission for all the buyers Toyota's given them with this turd. Since we won't see a new tundra for another 14 years that'll be a chunk of change!
I had a Ford in 2014 that had an alignment problem. The back wheels were not in line with the front wheels...wayoff...you could see it. The dealer said that's normal.
The side mirrors in my 16 Titan XD auto dim too. Really helps when someone behind you has their high beams on. I also love being able to dip the headlights when im towing so that the light is on the road where it belongs and I'm not blinding oncoming traffic.
I’m not sure why the standard adjustable headlamps on Tundra is never brought up when comparing. I don’t believe any other truck on the market has them standard. Also who doesn’t love the rear window open on the Crewmax. 🙂
It’s interesting because Tim does a very good job of pointing out small details but you are exactly right… There are three or four key features on the tundra that do not exist on other brands and there are a few that are standard on every trim level of the tundra and have been for years that you cannot get on another brand unless you pay 70,000+
@@jbw5485 If you read and comprehend what Chris said, then you would hopefully understand what I am saying . The quality of education these days is so depressing that I understand where you are coming from.best of luck.
Biggest thing for me would be engine. Ford went thru a lot of pains with the ecoboost and Toyota probly will as well even though they are known for reliability. Wished V8 was option in tundra
Get used to it because within 2 to 3 years you will not see a V-8 in a half ton truck Ram is no longer building them and Ford will be done in the very near future
Regarding payload capacity and towing..... you need to compare Apples to Apples. The Tundra's payload capacity is actually very low for a non-hybrid truck. My XLTs (non hybrid) have a payload capacity of 1800+ lbs. The Powerboost in the comparison is a hybrid and loses payload capacity, in part, due to the weight of the hybrid system and battery. With regards to the onboard power generator and the laptop work surface. The onboard power generator is not just available in higher trims; you can order it in the XLT and I believe in the XL trim (just like Andre's in TFL). One of the true advantages of the F150 is, the customer gets CHOICES.
As a current Tundra owner I have to say the brand new Tundra would not be on my buy list. I think the front is ugly, I don't want a turbo v6, no tow hooks, and the payload isn't great, just to name a few reasons.
I don't blame you just wrote a comment that really bothered me whenever looking at this truck on Google seeing has a V6 turbo just want to cringe why Toyota is beyond me.
The Ford is a better truck. More powerful. Lighter. Faster. Better quality interior. Stronger. Spec’d right, it tows and hauls more. Everything in that truck is intuitive. Switches are exactly where you have a habit of reaching. Ford gets in your head. That tundra, although I want it to be great, is hyped and has fan boys exaggerating it’s strengths. That’s an honest opinion having driven both. I own the Ford. The Tundra, arguably will last, but there’s no going wrong with either. They are all really good vehicles these days. The Toyota let me down in interior quality. Sounds and feels cheap in comparison.
I went back and forth between the two brands for months. It was between a Lariat and a Platinum Tundra. I ended up ordering a 2022 F150 crew cab Lariat Ecoboost with the 6.5 box. The big things that made up my mind were the front tow hooks (which have saved me a few times), the nicer interior in the Lariat, my choice to add 3.55 gears as well as tow mirrors as I tow often, as well as the more available options. The rear box access was also of concern as I use it often, I have no idea why Toyota went backwards and made it more difficult to access the box. I think Toyota has to let customers build their truck to exactly how they want, not just offer certain packages. I built mine so it is 100% built to my spec. I’ll be making videos once I pick it up next month, I’m hoping I like it!
The Ford F150 outclasses that tundra in every aspect. Toyota has been copying Ford for years. F150 best selling and number 1 in safety crash test. Why would anyone buy anything less. Ford had that Ecoboost engine back in 2012 with no issues. Toyota tried to copy it but their engine already has problems go figure.
@@daleradder7354 I also find it interesting how all brands are starting to slowly go aluminum as well, when everyone including the manufactures were ripping on Ford when they first made the big move in 2015.
@@CanadianSpeedster ford has been the one truck every other truck tries sooo hard to be. So many examples of this. Just look at the new tundra Ram gm twins . Nissan is only truck that oesnt try to copy the f150
I think the F-150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package deserves a deep dive. Comes with V8, 3.73 gears and 36 gallon gas tank. Plus Raptor wheels with 35’s fit without a lift. 157” wheelbase.
@Rick Yes. and...the 3.73 axle is a 3/4 floating axle which is closer to a heavy duty truck full- floating rear axle than a standard semi floating axle. Got mine on order!
@Mach 1 Interesting. I do like that payload! wish I could get the powerboost as well but only a barebones XLT. Makes sense but I would be happy with even 2k payload
Had a 2019 Tundra V8. Sold in May awaiting the 2022 Turbo. Been Toyota all my life. Having to put down earnest money to get the new Tundra was ridiculous. Decided to give Ford a shot. Bought the Ford F 150 XLT December 28, 2021. Wow Glad I did. The features you get with the Ford is amazing. While Toyota wanted “Earnest Money” Ford was offering “Zero Interest “. Ford F-150 XLT 8 cyclinder is a better truck in my opinion and I am loving mines. Way better gas mileage out of my Ford than the Tundra V8.
And you will be dumping money into right after the warranty expires. Toyota is always the better buy. Hope you got a good one. Twp people I know with the Ford F-150 right now having big problems with 40k.
@@100868ful Another myth Tony. Better he gets the Ford than be constantly worrying about the turbo wastegate in the Tundra. My Fords have been dead nuts reliable and such sweet trucks. No wonder they sell so many of them!
So glad I chose the 2022 Ford F150 crew cab XLT 4X4. The 2.7 engine is simply unbelievable. 25+ mpg and pulls my trailer with no effort. Raised the front end for off road ground clearance but will not put big tires on. That Tundra is just ugly!
2012 and 2017 f150. Transmission and waterpump issues with both. Friend with 2012 ecobost engine went out at 200,000 miles was very proud of that. I told him if you had a Toyota it would have gone 400,000 miles
@@christopher3725 If you are over 55 average owners won't see 200,000 miles on any vehicle, driving the same vehicle for 400,000 miles would be asinine. Nobody and no truck lives forever.😉 Ps. 2.7L EcoBoost engines have been improved a lot since 2012 and water pumps do go out on Hondas and Toyotas also......I know personally.
Flat floor in the back wins all day long. The ability to slide large items in is a big deal. The old school raised center is a fail for the new Toyota. My last three trucks, over a span of 21 years, were Toyotas. When Toyota abandoned the V8 platform, I went looking. I bought a 2021 F150 XLT with the 5.0L V8 Coyote and it was a great decision, the truck has been so impressive. The spacious unobstructed room in the back seat area is an awesome feature for hauling items within the cab of the truck. After experiencing the flat floor, I would not consider a truck without it.
After researching I’ve realised I can get a 4 dr XLT power boost 4X4 w/ the onboard generator and off road package cheaper than the Tundra limited. (The minimum trim needed to get the hybrid) And that’s after taxes. I like the Tundra but their costs went way up.
Two years ago, I tried to talk my father into buying a Tundra SR5 Double Cab 4x4 for $35K OTD. He sat on his hands and ended up having to buy a stripped-out F-150 XL Single Cab 8' 3.3L 4x2 for the same money. Ouch.
Then go buy the truck that is cheaper Not sure why people like you feel they need to announce it to the world There are all kinds of different brands and all kinds of different options because there are all kinds of different people with wants and needs Both companies make quality trucks
@@tv-ke4lx it’s a comparison video between the f150 and the tundra. Thought my comment would shed light on the cost aspect and be relatable to the subject. It’s cool though man, not sure why people like you run their mouth either.
I like both brands but Ford has more experience with the twin turbo motors. Ford really is the leader of the bigger trucks. Toyota is leader in the midsize trucks in my opinion
I just thought I'd let you know about the 2023 Tundra. I had put a deposit down on a Platinum Hybrid model in Jan of 2022. I just received confirmation that it is scheduled to be built August 28th. It will be a 2023 model. I am told that the Tundra is a 100% carry over, no changes.... except for the price. The base price has increased by $1,015.00 and I was told that the increase is across the board for the Tundra. I have a printout if anyone is interested.
Speaking of rust issues, I've went through two Tacoma frames. All that electric crap is just something you'll have to fix in the future. Also, an XLT has much better payload numbers. That's the truck you should have used as a comparison in the video.
I have a 2021 Lariat and it has power fold mirrors. The switch is on the drivers side door. If you lock the doors you can set the mirrors to fold in automatically.
Unbiased? I`ve never seen anyone until this video complaining of the reach of the oil dipstick because he`s only 5ft 7 inches tall. Also if he`s so unbiased, he should not have chosen a KR F150 with the PowerBoost.
I went with the 2022 platinum. The rust is no longer an issue. And when it comes to trucks, there's a reason why people are copying Ford with a 3.5 V6. After laughing at them for so many years. Not only that but the features are amazing in this new truck! It does have power folding mirrors, as a matter of fact you can set them to close when you lock the truck. Secondly just drive the truck, once you drive both trucks you'll understand. And the biggest difference is towing. I don't care what anybody says! If you have never used trailer backup assist try it. It makes a ton of difference, and once you have it you'll never not want it. The Toyota feels absolutely cheap! Driving down the road it did not feel the same. You absolutely know you're in a luxury truck when you're driving a Ford
Not trying to be a smart ass right here... but nobody is actually copying nobody when it comes to eradicating the v8.... it's about government directives. So even though they would like to keep the v8s alive, eventually it will be impossible to keep building v8s and keep them street legal due to all the rules against them
Ford f150 comes with power folding mirrors just not the one you have Ford all the way . my 2021 Ford has small amount of rust it doesn't bother me had since December 2020
For your payload numbers...you're comparing apples to oranges. Since the Ford is the hybrid, all of that eats payload, as does the high trim level. Compare an XLT with the 302a package with the 3.5 ecoboost...THEN look at those payload numbers. The majority of the ones I've seen with those specs are 1700lbs+. While I understand why you brought up payload, you can't really compare these 2 particular trucks other than to say if you're going to tow a camper and want to be within the legal limits for weight, you should consider an XLT/SR5 trim rather than the high end trim.
I totally agree. I found that the comparisons on this channel are either subjective or not of a comparable trim/power train which is why I unsubscriebed a while ago. Truth be told, I still do occasionally watch portion of these videos with the hope that they have become more of a true comparison but feel they haven't. I'm a truck fan and appreciate all that is brought to the table by all manufacturers but it would sure be refreshing to see a comparison made between vehicles that are truly equal in trim, driveline and power train
I enjoyed the Tundra more than the Ford. It was a quiter ride, and smoother, and just more fun with the exhaust muffler. The ford I found myself turning the volume way up on the radio to block out the road noise. It was like a work truck to me.
@kennethrobinson1672 I just rented the 2023 dodge 1500 Hemi!!! Rides like a car real smooth, but not as much front legroom. My knees rub the console, and I'm 6-3. F150 has the win in front legroom.
That ford is not an off road truck like you are saying it is. Just because it has tow hooks doesn't mean its for going off road. Basically every ford truck has tow hooks and always have. It doesn't even have the FX4 package. That is 100% a on road truck with 4x4 when the roads have snow on them.
Yep. My next-door neighbor's F-150 King Ranch is just like the one in this video. I've driven it. It's not built to go off-road. It's a highway cruiser.
I have an appointment with my local Toyota dealership on Wednesday to put a deposit on a tundra TRD Pro. Im spending my money with Toyota. Might not do one specific thing the best but they over engineer their components and I’m confident the truck will last me without any major issues.
My 2021 F150 Lariat has been nothing but problems, maybe it’s just a lemon build? So researching ‘23 or ‘24 Tundra, thanks for the review very helpful.
I have to admit, I am a glutton to added features sometimes but it satisfied me only after a short time, and have not used it most of its life. It's just it's difficult sometimes to know if such features are really a pro long-term.
Tim, If the Tundra back seats are anything like my Tacoma, you can pull the horizontal (seat) cushion up to be vertical - and then bring the back cushion down from vertical to be horizontal - you will then get a flat surface of sorts. The headrests (which needs to be moved 90 degrees from where they are now) should press up snugly to the back of the now vertical seat cushion. Yes, a whole lot of maneuvering for groceries - but you can get a horizontal surface if it were necessary. One feature not mentioned - the Tundra does have the motorized entire rear window vs. the 12 X 12 port window on the Ford. Thanks!
It seems like you minimize Tundra deficiencies and F-150 strong points, and maximize F-150 minor deficiencies (like dip stick placement) and Toyota's minor strong points (exhaust note). With today's gas prices, fuel efficiency is important. The F-150 is much better than the Tundra. Rigid ride VS Comfort ride, I go with comfort. Flat floor without the solid storage bin is much better as well. I own both Toyota and Ford products, and if I were to make a decision based on reliability on these trucks, I would go with the F-150 because it has not changed much in the past 10 years. The Tundra is new, and not proven yet. I know Toyota does a lot of testing, but I would still want to wait a few more years until they made a few tweaks.
Nice video Tim. I've always thought Toyota trucks are more dependable because they don't update and push the technology like American trucks. If you build the same thing for 20 years straight it should be reliable.
I don't mind this. I drove an old box volvo for decades in my aerospace job. The last thing I need on a drive to and from work is excitement and innovation. I just want my truck to go without having to think about driving it much, especially since I've moved out to the country and I've started towing things to and from my land. I just got a trd pro and hopefully it performs like my highlander still does and not like my midlife crisis mustang did.
I work for the DoD and in my command most of us own p/u’s. We can all drive any truck we want and our parking lot is a great mixture of all the mfgs. Several us that own Tundras never have to put them in the shop. We have a 2010,2011,2014 with my 2011 (240K) leading the way. The other fellas are always going to the shop. For me the thing I don’t like about Fords are they’re way to busy, that dashboard is a clusterbump. I appreciate the reliability and simplicity of the most reliable half ton in the world, TUNDRA!
Well said. Reliability and never being in the shop is huge. I don’t have to get caught up in the semantics of some of these comments lol! Definitely some die hard ford guys.
ring me up as a flat floor fan. carrying 3 passengers in the back on the regular. toyota hump is worst in the industry. less worried about how stuff stores. more worried about having knees hitting chins in the back seat.
I was waiting for the new Tundra and finally got a chance to sit in and drive one. Was really disappointed in how uncomfortable the seats are. They are very narrow and even my skinny friend thought it was narrow and not comfortable as well.
It looks like the front seats are very low compared to last gen. Reminds me of the tacoma where your legs feel almost parallel to the floor instead of a natural seated position. Do you remember if this was the case?
Same here. I was very disappointed in the Tundra's interior. Did not seem comfortable for a larger person. I am really amazed that the Aluminum body of the F150 is being overlooked. I have ridden in Tundra's, I expected a smoother ride. Also, try and find a Tundra equipped the way you want it. You will have to order one at almost every dealership.,
I bought that exact Toyota, (Love the blue) I enjoyed watching my truck go up against a Ford, I have had to many Fords break down on me, especially the trucks. I just traded in my 2011 Tundra with zero problems. I guess I just really like depending on my truck to get me where I want to go. Go Toyota!
Tim I get the rust thing mine had some surface rust also I sprayed some rust oleum on it and it stayed nice. Toyota had big rust issues in the past serious issues so they learned their lesson
A Tundra is 48.7 inches wide between the wheel wells. The F-150 is 51.1 inches wide between the wheel wells. A sheet of Melamine or MDF is 49 inches wide. Put that in your truck bed and smoke it! For the record I am a Toyota lover.
Yes, Toyota has a well- earned reputation for reliability. That said.....this is a new platform that has to prove itself over the long haul just like any other new platform. Reputation will get you through the 1st couple of years but beyond that........
every one forgets defective piston rings causing excessive oil consumption 2007 class action law suit thier fix was only engine that burned more than a quart every 1200 miles . when you make a engine for 15 years there is plenty of time to get it right . tim talks about rust but it was toyota that had to replace fames.
@@jeffforbes70 father in-laws 2017 f150 platinum ecoboost needs a new transmission at 80k miles. Another friends 2015 f150 ecoboost needed a new engine block at 30k miles. That friend now drives a 2020 Tundra. Never heard of such issues from Toyota.
He keeps talking about features being only available on the higher trims, but you can option them in an xlt, ex the work surface, and the tailgate work surface
The previous generation Limited model Tundra came standard with leather interior. To get leather seats in the new generation Tundra you have to spend more money and purchase either a 1794, TRDPro, or Capstone model. The limited now comes with Softex and it looks like vinyl to me.
I drove two 2021 f150s a few weeks ago, they both have engine shudder. I noticed it with my fusion years ago but the service people didn't believe me. You can feel it with my 2015 f150, I've felt it in a 2019 f150. Does it matter? Idk but it's concerning to watch the rpms jump while idling. I do not believe it brand loyalty at this point because it can only hurt the customer in the end. I have loved my two fords, I will definitely cry when I trade in my f150 but I'm also super pumped for my new tundra :) I see brand new fords, Chevys, and Rams with rust on the rear differential. They seem to leave the factory rusty.
Tim - GREAT VIDEO. Appreciate your objective view on both trucks sharing pros and cons. Your suggestion is the one that I had used ordering the 2022 Tundra which is on order. I am not as concerned with all the potential features such as powering my home, etc. However, I am concerned with reliability and specific features like the rear locker which it has. Thanks again.
I ordered the tundra this week my decision also based on reliability in the toyota name. I have seen issues online with the turbo and other small issues on fit and finish....😬 Time will tell.
Both of those are nice. I recently was in the market for a new truck. The Tundra was not even an option as it is not really available. I compared a F150 Lariat and a RAM Limited. Both vehicles had an MSRP of $67K. The Ford with the 3.5 eb was definitely faster but the 5.7 Hemi sounded much better. The RAM was generally better equipped and more quiet going down the road. The RAM felt heavier but better planted when driving. Both were nice but the dealership experience made all the difference. The RAM was marked $2K under MSRP while the Ford was marked up $2.5K over MSRP. I refuse to do business that wants to charge over MSRP so I went with the RAM. So far I am pleased with my choice.
Gotta love the RAM. There's a pile of RAMS on the local dealer lot but not a new F150 to be found on the Ford lot. The saying around here is " The Ram dealer gets trucks in to park on the sales lot; the Ford dealer gets F150s in to sell".
@@cwqrpportable well around here it is hard find any of them. RAM dealer had about the same inventory as the Ford dealer. However, the RAM dealer was not insisting on butt raping me like the Ford dealer. I wish they would all offer a direct purchase option like Tesla uses. We would then see what value the dealerships add. I suspect that the dealerships would quickly fold up and go out of business
Great video. I agree with you on almost all points. The word 'reliability' gets misconstrued bc people immediately think of the engine, but it has more to do with durability of the components. Does the dash break down in the sun? Do the seats break down over 100,000 miles?, etc. I hate that ford won't stop holding power mirrors hostage!! I ended up buying a ford only bc of toyotas horrible purchasing model. Great features, but you can't order the features or colors that you want! There are benefits to a NON-flat floor. It keeps things from rolling across the whole truck and becoming unreachable, or a death object. Also, might we assume better drive train clearance offroad? I like both floors equally.
U r worried about a seat and a dash and think thats reliability? I respectfully disagree with u. Thats a quality control type issue and as for reliability that does generally mean drivetrain and suspension and i can tell u fords r junk. I had a 3.5 ecoboost 2016 for 4 months and it was the biggest piece of junk i ever owned . broke down 2 times and over heated every time i had to tow my trailer 6-8k pounds up hill. I talked to ford techs and other techs and they all told me i should just go back to using my 08 tundra for towing if i need reliability. So i got rid of that ford. Several friends of mine ha e had same issues with there f150s and suspension failures and dont even have over 100k on there trucks. My 08 tundra has about 420k all towing miles with 0 repairs just maintenance. Only down side is it loves loves gas in a bad way. I probably go thru 45dollars a day wich suck and that why i was tryong out that ecoboost to get better mpg but it just wasnt reliable at all.
@@jd-it4on I agree with you. I still think parts durability and quality are part of the reliability conversation also though. As a Toyota fan I can tell you that you wouldn't have gotten 420k out of a ford seat like you did in the Tundra.
We have a '21 Silverado and I've already been truck shopping due to the terrible build quality and engine design (you guessed it, the lifters already failed), so these two have been on my radar. I was excited for the new Tundra, but the smaller back seat with the huge drivetrain hump, the significantly narrower/smaller bed, the lack of a built-in step/real bumper to get in the bed, and the really low payload numbers (we tow a camper) have essentially taken it off the table for me. The F150 is a strong contender, but for a marginal price increase, I can get an F250 with the 6.2 gas V8 and gain way more payload, reliability, and a larger bed, albeit with higher fuel consumption.
I've been looking at all the trucks. The Chevy has the lifter issues, the Ford has oil leaks and questionable reliability. The Ram is old big V8. The 2022 Tundra is just ugly. Looks like a 1970 Lincoln Town car with a 2 in lift.
@@hotrod7603 Because the only thing worth judging in a truck is the interior. Not the engine, not the transmission, not the cooling system, not the oil lines, not the suspension, not the chassis... Toyota keeps peddling their same ancient system they've been using for ten plus years because it works flawlessly. Ford keeps blowing millions on useless options that break because their next year model just has to have more features. Features that break and cost thousands to fix.
Toyota outsold Ford (and GM) in the United States in 2021 and is the World’s Largest Automaker. Their reputation is built upon durability and reliability.
I’m not so sure with this Gen 3 with all the recalls so far. 🤔😬I’ve owned Tundras since 2005 and currently have an 2016 Tundra Limited with 21,000 miles I purchased new. Guess I’m keeping my Gen 2 as the new Tundra is not growing on me At All.🤔
I want to like the Toyota, but just can't get there. Although there are some features I like about it. Just not enough to make the switch from a 2015 F150. Looking to update later this year or 2023. One item that did surprise me about the King Ranch was no power folding mirrors! My first thought was Ford is eliminating as a standard feature to save on micro-chips.
I'm a toyota guy and saw a new Tundra at the dealer for the first time. So disappointing to see how low it sits. I thought it was a 2 wheel drive and looked on tailgate and it said 4x4. I hate the body style.
@@beexiong2995 That's true but when your spending 60k you would like it to have a decent stance for those of us who don't want to get into lift kits and big tires. Even the 2021 Tundra has a much better look to it.
@@jimh2061 I'm sure the tundra isnt the only truck to sit low. For example the GM twins look so large and low. Since the mid 2000s trucks have been getting lower to benefit from aero and mpgs
I just traded my Ford Expedition (4th one I’ve owned) in for a Toyota Tundra Limited as I moved and need an open bed. Love Ford but too expensive these days. I’m still having a hard time getting used to the ridiculous looking front grill - talk about over kill. Also don’t care for the small buttons on the dash and steering wheel.
“Toyota will last longer because it has less features to break” ? You can buy the Ford without all the extra features as well, for longer term reliability.
It goes without saying that Toyota and Honda annihilate American brands when it comes to both short and long term reliability and it has nothing to do with electronics and other parts
You can get the bed package on the xl, xlt. Not limited to higher trims. I have step and work top on my xl. And that tundra front end is hideous. And that isxa wireless phone charger in the F150, thats why it has to lay flat. You should know that one . The flat front work surface is available in every trim as well.
Tim you sure those mirrors are not auto folding in the f150. Looks like the button is there. I could be wrong. Lol. I’m getting ready to order a powerboost and I’m pretty sure the KR has auto folding mirrors. I also think it has the auto dimming mirror. 🤔
It does have folding mirrors, Tim didn't find the button, didn't the truck come with an owners manual? Also the F150 comes with a power deployment air dam, just like the Toyota, just the F150 was fully extended down when it is parked
I think the biggest difference is how well the Tundra rides and shifts compared to the Ford. The F150 seems to have hard clunky gear shifts. It also have a much more springy bouncy rear end. The power band of Tundra also seems to be much more smooth. I tried to give the Ford a fair consideration. But for me it's going to be a new Tundra.
Interesting, when i test drove a 2021 F150 Tremor (fully loaded) prior to putting in my custom order i felt that it drove like a dream. Plenty of power and the 10 speed transmission felt really nice to me. I won't be towing very often so unsure about that comparison but i was in love with the Tremor the second i drove it. edit: I should add i wasn't able to test drive a new Tundra TRD Pro which i was cross shopping against the Tremor. I liked the Tremor so much though that i don't really care now.
I have a 21 3.5 F150 and I've found the drive modes certainly impact the transmission's feel. Generally, I've found it to be smooth/compliant. However, it is not as buttery smooth as a 4 runner or Highlander (Speaking from user/owner experience). I've never driven the new Tundra.
@Rick Yeah the Powerboost can be....but what I saw was between 2nd and 3rd gear....2021 model. It seems to do it when just baby the throttle VS being a little more harder on it.....doesn't do it in sport mode.
I bit my tongue in the past with the Ford Surface Rust debate here and on others channels. Well Toyota is clean no rust… now. My 2002 Tundra along with many others were bought back by Toyota not because of surface rust but rust through and rot in the frame. It did not show a lot of surface rust either… till it rust through.
@@vdan02 Go check the lots out now Daniel; as far as actual dates I can't honestly tell you that. I'm a metallurgist, so when I hear people barking and whining about surface rust on a drivetrain it makes me laugh. Has it really all come down to this? Ford's frame and bodies are excellently designed and are not a rust issue.
@@cwqrpportable I'm not saying that Ford's aren't well built, however after seeing the rockers rust out of my Avalanche it brings the question of rust to mind. I guess part of me thinks that we have come a long way in terms of technology, rust protection on a $75,000 truck that I'm looking to buy should be a consideration. It won't impact the ability to drive or function in the short term, however makes me feel better about spending that cash when you look back and appreciate how well a product has aged. If it was a truck half the price it might not matter so much, just my .02.
Just saw a video of another issue where the Tundra bed will move and dent the back of the cab when the truck is stuck or trying to find traction and wheel hops causing the bed to bounce.
Yes and that’s insanity to box frame my 2020 tundra‘s c channel frame i’m a Toyota man but I do not like that 2022 at all and I V6 will never hold up If you start hauling heavy and toe and heavy
The benefit Tundra had in quality over the F150 has always been helped by the fact that the Tundra hasn't done any major model changes. When models change parts change, vendors change and jobs at the assembly plant change. It will take Toyota quite some time to dial in everything. Unfortunately customers will indirectly become beta testers.
You mean like every other model change for every other brand with some being every year? Yeah that argument is old and worn so you might want to find something new to bitch about
@@tv-ke4lx I didn't see TheJerkStore's comments as bitching, they are rather insightful. I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that Toyota (overall) is a more reliable brand for the reasons mentioned above. I don't own a toyota but would consider one down the road for the statistical likelihood of having a (likely) more reliable vehicle.
@@davidcmatson Easy, Bubba....you're right, it is something every vehicle goes through. Its not something Tundra or its employees at the plant have gone through in a long time. That was kind of the point of my comment.
The benefit Tundra's have is that they aren't Ford's and the resale value is far superior. Ford's are shit for the most part. I love the part about groceries and cargo room. The last two trucks I've had were a 2015 Tundra in the 1794 Edition and a 2010 Tundra Crewmax. Both loaded. Which means they have nothing as far as interior features go. I bought a 2018 Subaru Outback a year ago and it laughs at those trucks. The cargo room with the back seats down is triple what I had in those Tundra's.. It will go anywhere those trucks used to go and get more than double the gas mileage.. I'll be keeping my eye on the new Tundra's and that twin V6 engine to see how it performs. You can keep your Ford
Comparing unicorn hybrid/luxury version of a truck to a mid level version doesn't make a lot of sense. Just drop the power running boards and your at least close to the payload the the Tundra. The payload difference is only 80 lbs as they sit. You need to check the manual to see what the towing capacity for that engine/axle/cab configuration is.
Well to be fair the KR does have 2 trims above it in the model lineup (below Platinum and Limited), so really it’s just a single step above where a Limited Tundra falls (at least in terms of model hierarchy).
@@andyd5492 that's what i mean, the KR is just one step above a Lariat in Ford's lineup, so not too terribly different other than the powertrain (which isnt yet available on Tundra).
Does anyone know how the space is in the back seats in the 2022 tundra compared to the king ranch (truck that I currently have) Also I noticed that you said the king ranch has no powered mirrors which in my 2016 one it does it just because it's a review truck?
How did you get the limited premium package, trd off road and the power package? I can't seem to configure it that way. If I select the limited premium, trd off road it will not let me add the power package with the plugs and bed lights.
I'm not confident in any of the current generation trucks being able to last twenty years . I believe longevity was pushed aside for profits and returning customers back to their dealers every 8-10 years for a vehicle under warranty
@@stevenlefebvre2991 Toyota and Lexus have taken a huge step backwards...But then again.....both manufacturers still had their fair share of problems when they were "reliable". Honda, Nissan and Toyota as I like to call the big 3, were significantly ahead of their time compared to Chrysler, Ford and Chevy. Not without issue however. I truly believe the very early 90's for Japanese reliability and dependability will never be seen again because the Japanese aren't stupid. They saw how many morons here bought junk that didn't last and kept being brand loyal....USA USA USA....and decided why should we give a fuck about what we make. Any vehicle is about as good as any comparable vehicle on the road today. Maybe minus higher end expensive automobiles have more problems.
My Big Horn has power folding mirrors but I can see you may not need them as much on the Ford as they mirrors are much smaller and don't stick out nearly as far.
Tough to say which is better...in the end it boils down to personal preference. Both are great vehicles and both are highly overpriced. Great video as usual.
Thanks Tim, Honesty in moto- journalism! I am aToyota owner but I don’t bash other brands.All manufacturers have pros and cons. People have to decide what they want or need when making an informed purchase and learning from you and journalists like you. Thank you Tim.
Lauren from Ma
Rear flat floor is a game changer. So much more comfortable for passengers and way better for storage.
The floor being flat and the better looking truck I'm leaning towards getting a F150 Lariat.
@@jimh2061 I have 2016 f150 lariat. Love it. 80,000 trouble free miles so far, and I live off road
Ram 1500 had a flat floor as early as 2009. yes. it's awesome.
@@josiaevans not correct!
I have a 2014 Laramie, rump on floor Crew cab
@@moulin680 🤯 I could have sworn mine was flat but now that you mention it, I do remember the rear floor mat always did have that slight raise to the middle of it 😅
Appreciate this review from an owner of both trucks. I think it’s the comparison most folks are making if they’re considering one or the other.
Thanks for this review, with regards to mirrors the factory towing mirrors on the F-150 are excellent. I didn't realize how much I would use them for non-towing scenarios but the smaller convex mirror on the bottom eliminates all the blind spots and seriously improves the driving experience.
Tim - Great review. Both trucks do have Pros and Cons.
But after reading some of the other comments below, maybe you should make
another vid looping 14:50 to 16:55 about ten times.
I hear all the time "My whatever can tow 13,800 Lbs." but the payload sticker shows something
like 1478 lbs. Lol that works out to a 98 lb. driver..
Not so funny when there are 4 adults in the cab and the box is full of gear.
Every year I see more and more wrecked pickups with trailers
going downhill on I-70 through Colorado.
Driving across Kansas (no offense) at max. payload with a trailer may be safe,
but going down 7% grades is another story.
And running overloaded is a sure way to become a statistic. No matter what brand you drive.
I would like to see a comparison of the Powerboost vs Toyota I Force Max
Former F-150 ecoboost owner here.
Without going long winded I will say I'll never own a twin turbo motor again. V8 or beat it.
Except the Ford V8 now has cylinder deactivation. If it turns out to be half as unreliable as GM V8 engines, you'll wish you had turbos instead.
sadly that will limit you to v8s with cylinder deactivation (which is terrible for engines long term) or driving very old vehicles, no truck owners want to admit it but the v8 is definitely going to be killed by the CAFE standards, heavy duty trucks escape this regulation for now but they will be on the chopping block eventually
@@littlestinker9716 all cylinder deactivation engines experience excessive wear and degraded lifespans, its the nature of the technology, it was meant to reduce emissions they could care less if it cuts the lifespan of your engine in half
@@Kaiser333333 I have a 2021 Tundra so I'm good for forever. :)
The f150 cyclones cant be beat. If you need more get a f250
I’m going from a ford back to Toyota because of the corners cut by ford. Ford has hands down better options and a great/functional interior but I just didn’t want to deal with all the silly issues anymore where as my Toyotas I’ve had before felt brand new after 150k miles
Unfortunately as a Toyota lover I think the F150 runs rings around the new Tundra for all the reasons you mentioned and more.
Ford should have to pay a commission for all the buyers Toyota's given them with this turd. Since we won't see a new tundra for another 14 years that'll be a chunk of change!
Will still buy the Toyota......🤷🏾♂️
Fords have too many recalls. Might as well get the tundra despite its drawbacks
Had two f150's. Major reliability issues with both. New Fords won't last over 180,000 miles
@@dwainmcarthur2565 my condolences with you turdota fangirl
Great objective comparison. Great job! For my purposes, the Ford F150 PowerBoost cannot be beat, especially for RV folks.
I had a Ford in 2014 that had an alignment problem. The back wheels were not in line with the front wheels...wayoff...you could see it. The dealer said that's normal.
What ever happened? Did you sell it,trade it or still own it?
@@semiauto3148 probablyspun it, lol
The side mirrors in my 16 Titan XD auto dim too. Really helps when someone behind you has their high beams on. I also love being able to dip the headlights when im towing so that the light is on the road where it belongs and I'm not blinding oncoming traffic.
This is my first car comparison video and I just really loved this video
I’m not sure why the standard adjustable headlamps on Tundra is never brought up when comparing. I don’t believe any other truck on the market has them standard. Also who doesn’t love the rear window open on the Crewmax. 🙂
It’s interesting because Tim does a very good job of pointing out small details but you are exactly right… There are three or four key features on the tundra that do not exist on other brands and there are a few that are standard on every trim level of the tundra and have been for years that you cannot get on another brand unless you pay 70,000+
Very good points!!! Both are very nice features. I love the rear window!!
It’s not good to say Toyota is better in any shape or form.Envy is a bitch.WTF…..
@@AJ-AJ212 who are you replying to? Nobody said that. Are you confused or lost?
@@jbw5485
If you read and comprehend what Chris said, then you would hopefully understand what I am saying . The quality of education these days is so depressing that I understand where you are coming from.best of luck.
Biggest thing for me would be engine. Ford went thru a lot of pains with the ecoboost and Toyota probly will as well even though they are known for reliability. Wished V8 was option in tundra
Biggest problem down the road for Tundra turbos is servicing them. Requires the cab to be lifted off the frame.
They have a lot of time w that 3.5 TT, I believe Toyota has it in some of there Lexus suvs
Get used to it because within 2 to 3 years you will not see a V-8 in a half ton truck
Ram is no longer building them and Ford will be done in the very near future
@@tv-ke4lx Ram offers the 5.7 with or without etorque in the 1500 for the 2022 model year.
@@geobltrn8423 And still have issues with it. So?
Regarding payload capacity and towing..... you need to compare Apples to Apples. The Tundra's payload capacity is actually very low for a non-hybrid truck. My XLTs (non hybrid) have a payload capacity of 1800+ lbs. The Powerboost in the comparison is a hybrid and loses payload capacity, in part, due to the weight of the hybrid system and battery.
With regards to the onboard power generator and the laptop work surface. The onboard power generator is not just available in higher trims; you can order it in the XLT and I believe in the XL trim (just like Andre's in TFL).
One of the true advantages of the F150 is, the customer gets CHOICES.
This! 👏
I drove the 24 F 150 hybrid for a few months, hated it.then bought a 22 Tundra. Love it
As a current Tundra owner I have to say the brand new Tundra would not be on my buy list. I think the front is ugly, I don't want a turbo v6, no tow hooks, and the payload isn't great, just to name a few reasons.
I don't blame you just wrote a comment that really bothered me whenever looking at this truck on Google seeing has a V6 turbo just want to cringe why Toyota is beyond me.
The Ford is a better truck. More powerful. Lighter. Faster. Better quality interior. Stronger. Spec’d right, it tows and hauls more. Everything in that truck is intuitive. Switches are exactly where you have a habit of reaching. Ford gets in your head. That tundra, although I want it to be great, is hyped and has fan boys exaggerating it’s strengths. That’s an honest opinion having driven both. I own the Ford. The Tundra, arguably will last, but there’s no going wrong with either. They are all really good vehicles these days. The Toyota let me down in interior quality. Sounds and feels cheap in comparison.
I went back and forth between the two brands for months. It was between a Lariat and a Platinum Tundra. I ended up ordering a 2022 F150 crew cab Lariat Ecoboost with the 6.5 box. The big things that made up my mind were the front tow hooks (which have saved me a few times), the nicer interior in the Lariat, my choice to add 3.55 gears as well as tow mirrors as I tow often, as well as the more available options. The rear box access was also of concern as I use it often, I have no idea why Toyota went backwards and made it more difficult to access the box. I think Toyota has to let customers build their truck to exactly how they want, not just offer certain packages. I built mine so it is 100% built to my spec. I’ll be making videos once I pick it up next month, I’m hoping I like it!
The Ford F150 outclasses that tundra in every aspect. Toyota has been copying Ford for years. F150 best selling and number 1 in safety crash test. Why would anyone buy anything less. Ford had that Ecoboost engine back in 2012 with no issues. Toyota tried to copy it but their engine already has problems go figure.
@@daleradder7354 I also find it interesting how all brands are starting to slowly go aluminum as well, when everyone including the manufactures were ripping on Ford when they first made the big move in 2015.
@@CanadianSpeedster ford has been the one truck every other truck tries sooo hard to be. So many examples of this. Just look at the new tundra Ram gm twins . Nissan is only truck that oesnt try to copy the f150
I think the F-150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package deserves a deep dive. Comes with V8, 3.73 gears and 36 gallon gas tank. Plus Raptor wheels with 35’s fit without a lift. 157” wheelbase.
@Rick Yes. and...the 3.73 axle is a 3/4 floating axle which is closer to a heavy duty truck full- floating rear axle than a standard semi floating axle. Got mine on order!
@Rick sounds like you have a nice truck.
@Mach 1 Does it ride like a 3/4 ton though? MAybe just get a f250 at that point?
@Mach 1 Interesting. I do like that payload! wish I could get the powerboost as well but only a barebones XLT. Makes sense but I would be happy with even 2k payload
@@travisfeld97 I have the HDPP and it rides fairly smooth and good. The reason I chose the f150 over the 250 was because of the fuel mileage.
Had a 2019 Tundra V8. Sold in May awaiting the 2022 Turbo. Been Toyota all my life. Having to put down earnest money to get the new Tundra was ridiculous. Decided to give Ford a shot. Bought the Ford F 150 XLT December 28, 2021. Wow Glad I did. The features you get with the Ford is amazing. While Toyota wanted “Earnest Money” Ford was offering “Zero Interest “. Ford F-150 XLT 8 cyclinder is a better truck in my opinion and I am loving mines. Way better gas mileage out of my Ford than the Tundra V8.
You'll love it for sure and it'll look much better on your driveway on a Saturday morning all washed up and ready for a speed wax
And you will be dumping money into right after the warranty expires. Toyota is always the better buy. Hope you got a good one. Twp people I know with the Ford F-150 right now having big problems with 40k.
@@100868ful Another myth Tony. Better he gets the Ford than be constantly worrying about the turbo wastegate in the Tundra. My Fords have been dead nuts reliable and such sweet trucks. No wonder they sell so many of them!
@@cwqrpportable yeah ford holds the record for most pick ups sold.
I like the 2021 v8 tundra better
So glad I chose the 2022 Ford F150 crew cab XLT 4X4. The
2.7 engine is simply unbelievable.
25+ mpg and pulls my trailer with no effort. Raised the front end for off road ground clearance but will not put big tires on. That Tundra is just ugly!
2012 and 2017 f150.
Transmission and waterpump issues with both.
Friend with 2012 ecobost engine went out at 200,000 miles was very proud of that. I told him if you had a Toyota it would have gone 400,000 miles
@@christopher3725 If you are over 55 average owners won't see 200,000 miles on any vehicle, driving the same vehicle for 400,000 miles would be asinine. Nobody and no truck lives forever.😉 Ps. 2.7L EcoBoost engines have been improved a lot since 2012 and water pumps do go out on Hondas and Toyotas also......I know personally.
Flat floor in the back wins all day long. The ability to slide large items in is a big deal. The old school raised center is a fail for the new Toyota. My last three trucks, over a span of 21 years, were Toyotas. When Toyota abandoned the V8 platform, I went looking. I bought a 2021 F150 XLT with the 5.0L V8 Coyote and it was a great decision, the truck has been so impressive. The spacious unobstructed room in the back seat area is an awesome feature for hauling items within the cab of the truck. After experiencing the flat floor, I would not consider a truck without it.
Agreed. Flat floor for the win.
That was going to be my comment as well. One of the major factors why I'll pass on the Tundra and stick with the F150 is the flat floor in the back.
X3 F150 ftw all day everyday
What a dunce. You’ll lose 10k next year in depreciation alone. Unless it’s a diesel, Ford is trash.
@@CalUSAF311 what does that say about dodge and chevy then 😆
After researching I’ve realised I can get a 4 dr XLT power boost 4X4 w/ the onboard generator and off road package cheaper than the Tundra limited. (The minimum trim needed to get the hybrid) And that’s after taxes. I like the Tundra but their costs went way up.
Two years ago, I tried to talk my father into buying a Tundra SR5 Double Cab 4x4 for $35K OTD. He sat on his hands and ended up having to buy a stripped-out F-150 XL Single Cab 8' 3.3L 4x2 for the same money. Ouch.
Then go buy the truck that is cheaper
Not sure why people like you feel they need to announce it to the world
There are all kinds of different brands and all kinds of different options because there are all kinds of different people with wants and needs
Both companies make quality trucks
@@tv-ke4lx it’s a comparison video between the f150 and the tundra. Thought my comment would shed light on the cost aspect and be relatable to the subject. It’s cool though man, not sure why people like you run their mouth either.
I like both brands but Ford has more experience with the twin turbo motors. Ford really is the leader of the bigger trucks. Toyota is leader in the midsize trucks in my opinion
Agreed, one thing Ford ranger just sucks, they stopped making them in America for some time and apparently they are back now lol.
I just thought I'd let you know about the 2023 Tundra. I had put a deposit down on a Platinum Hybrid model in Jan of 2022. I just received confirmation that it is scheduled to be built August 28th. It will be a 2023 model. I am told that the Tundra is a 100% carry over, no changes.... except for the price. The base price has increased by $1,015.00 and I was told that the increase is across the board for the Tundra. I have a printout if anyone is interested.
Yup, we detailed the 2023 changes a few months ago. One special edition and then no other changes.
Speaking of rust issues, I've went through two Tacoma frames. All that electric crap is just something you'll have to fix in the future. Also, an XLT has much better payload numbers. That's the truck you should have used as a comparison in the video.
Agreed you can still get a 5.0 L V8 from ford,
I’m a huge Toyota guy. Ultimately I care about build quality and reliability.
I really do feel that this is a great non biased feeling of a comparison video. Great job!
I have a 2021 Lariat and it has power fold mirrors. The switch is on the drivers side door. If you lock the doors you can set the mirrors to fold in automatically.
This truck didn't have it. Just surprising considering it had literally everything else!
Your best video yet. Unbiased and honest. Thank you!
Unbiased? I`ve never seen anyone until this video complaining of the reach of the oil dipstick because he`s only 5ft 7 inches tall.
Also if he`s so unbiased, he should not have chosen a KR F150 with the PowerBoost.
I went with the 2022 platinum. The rust is no longer an issue. And when it comes to trucks, there's a reason why people are copying Ford with a 3.5 V6. After laughing at them for so many years. Not only that but the features are amazing in this new truck! It does have power folding mirrors, as a matter of fact you can set them to close when you lock the truck. Secondly just drive the truck, once you drive both trucks you'll understand. And the biggest difference is towing. I don't care what anybody says! If you have never used trailer backup assist try it. It makes a ton of difference, and once you have it you'll never not want it. The Toyota feels absolutely cheap! Driving down the road it did not feel the same. You absolutely know you're in a luxury truck when you're driving a Ford
Not trying to be a smart ass right here... but nobody is actually copying nobody when it comes to eradicating the v8.... it's about government directives. So even though they would like to keep the v8s alive, eventually it will be impossible to keep building v8s and keep them street legal due to all the rules against them
Ford & Luxury shouldn’t be in the same sentence lol
Ford f150 comes with power folding mirrors just not the one you have Ford all the way . my 2021 Ford has small amount of rust it doesn't bother me had since December 2020
For your payload numbers...you're comparing apples to oranges. Since the Ford is the hybrid, all of that eats payload, as does the high trim level. Compare an XLT with the 302a package with the 3.5 ecoboost...THEN look at those payload numbers. The majority of the ones I've seen with those specs are 1700lbs+. While I understand why you brought up payload, you can't really compare these 2 particular trucks other than to say if you're going to tow a camper and want to be within the legal limits for weight, you should consider an XLT/SR5 trim rather than the high end trim.
I have 1828 pounds of payload on my XLT with the 3.5.
@@Scrum67 MIne has 1749, but that's because the pano sunroof eats about 100lbs
My 21 f150 STX crew FX4 with 3.5 is 1900 lbs payload.
I totally agree. I found that the comparisons on this channel are either subjective or not of a comparable trim/power train which is why I unsubscriebed a while ago. Truth be told, I still do occasionally watch portion of these videos with the hope that they have become more of a true comparison but feel they haven't. I'm a truck fan and appreciate all that is brought to the table by all manufacturers but it would sure be refreshing to see a comparison made between vehicles that are truly equal in trim, driveline and power train
That’s a good point but if you need more than 1500 pounds of payload you should be looking at three-quarter ton anyway especially if you’re towing
I enjoyed the Tundra more than the Ford. It was a quiter ride, and smoother, and just more fun with the exhaust muffler. The ford I found myself turning the volume way up on the radio to block out the road noise. It was like a work truck to me.
So the tundra had less road noise ,I thought different
@kennethrobinson1672 I just rented the 2023 dodge 1500 Hemi!!! Rides like a car real smooth, but not as much front legroom. My knees rub the console, and I'm 6-3. F150 has the win in front legroom.
I drove in both trucks. The F150 is far better.
F150 is the benchmark of trucks, it's so refined and legendary that even Toyota had to copy the 3.5 twin turbo and 10 speed trany
That ford is not an off road truck like you are saying it is. Just because it has tow hooks doesn't mean its for going off road. Basically every ford truck has tow hooks and always have. It doesn't even have the FX4 package. That is 100% a on road truck with 4x4 when the roads have snow on them.
Yep. My next-door neighbor's F-150 King Ranch is just like the one in this video. I've driven it. It's not built to go off-road. It's a highway cruiser.
so the comparison against King Ranch should be 1794. Between them, which do you choose?
@@firesome11 the 1794 with TRD package
At least the F-150 has tow hooks! Some bean counter at Toyota probably left them out to save money.
I have an appointment with my local Toyota dealership on Wednesday to put a deposit on a tundra TRD Pro. Im spending my money with Toyota. Might not do one specific thing the best but they over engineer their components and I’m confident the truck will last me without any major issues.
I don't think you'll regret it, I myself don't ball as hard as you so I got a Tacoma
My 2021 F150 Lariat has been nothing but problems, maybe it’s just a lemon build? So researching ‘23 or ‘24 Tundra, thanks for the review very helpful.
I have to admit, I am a glutton to added features sometimes but it satisfied me only after a short time, and have not used it most of its life. It's just it's difficult sometimes to know if such features are really a pro long-term.
Tim, If the Tundra back seats are anything like my Tacoma, you can pull the horizontal (seat) cushion up to be vertical - and then bring the back cushion down from vertical to be horizontal - you will then get a flat surface of sorts. The headrests (which needs to be moved 90 degrees from where they are now) should press up snugly to the back of the now vertical seat cushion. Yes, a whole lot of maneuvering for groceries - but you can get a horizontal surface if it were necessary. One feature not mentioned - the Tundra does have the motorized entire rear window vs. the 12 X 12 port window on the Ford. Thanks!
I hope I can find a video on that seat adjustment.
@@firesome11 here is the Tacoma seat flattening maneuver video: ua-cam.com/video/Rqca1n_eg_w/v-deo.html
@@copperkettlepot oh wow! That's really convenient! Thanks for sharing!
It seems like you minimize Tundra deficiencies and F-150 strong points, and maximize F-150 minor deficiencies (like dip stick placement) and Toyota's minor strong points (exhaust note). With today's gas prices, fuel efficiency is important. The F-150 is much better than the Tundra. Rigid ride VS Comfort ride, I go with comfort. Flat floor without the solid storage bin is much better as well. I own both Toyota and Ford products, and if I were to make a decision based on reliability on these trucks, I would go with the F-150 because it has not changed much in the past 10 years. The Tundra is new, and not proven yet. I know Toyota does a lot of testing, but I would still want to wait a few more years until they made a few tweaks.
That's just the way it is...... he prefers Toyotas and that affects objectivity.
Well done best comparison video on UA-cam !!!! 👍👍
The ford is sweet but my money for the tundra, im a guy who keeps my stuff forever
Nice video Tim. I've always thought Toyota trucks are more dependable because they don't update and push the technology like American trucks. If you build the same thing for 20 years straight it should be reliable.
I don't mind this. I drove an old box volvo for decades in my aerospace job. The last thing I need on a drive to and from work is excitement and innovation. I just want my truck to go without having to think about driving it much, especially since I've moved out to the country and I've started towing things to and from my land. I just got a trd pro and hopefully it performs like my highlander still does and not like my midlife crisis mustang did.
Tim, the King Ranch comes standard with power fold mirrors. Everything F-150 from Lariat up has power fold mirrors.
Thanks.
My new 2022 Platinum Powerboost came with power folding and telescoping tow mirrors.
You can get the tailgate step even at xlt. This is not just a higher trim option
Same with the work surface, its an option on any truck that doesn't have a front bench seat.
I even have the tg step on my '14 FX-2
I work for the DoD and in my command most of us own p/u’s. We can all drive any truck we want and our parking lot is a great mixture of all the mfgs. Several us that own Tundras never have to put them in the shop. We have a 2010,2011,2014 with my 2011 (240K) leading the way. The other fellas are always going to the shop. For me the thing I don’t like about Fords are they’re way to busy, that dashboard is a clusterbump. I appreciate the reliability and simplicity of the most reliable half ton in the world, TUNDRA!
Well said. Reliability and never being in the shop is huge. I don’t have to get caught up in the semantics of some of these comments lol! Definitely some die hard ford guys.
ring me up as a flat floor fan. carrying 3 passengers in the back on the regular. toyota hump is worst in the industry. less worried about how stuff stores. more worried about having knees hitting chins in the back seat.
I was waiting for the new Tundra and finally got a chance to sit in and drive one. Was really disappointed in how uncomfortable the seats are. They are very narrow and even my skinny friend thought it was narrow and not comfortable as well.
It looks like the front seats are very low compared to last gen. Reminds me of the tacoma where your legs feel almost parallel to the floor instead of a natural seated position. Do you remember if this was the case?
Same here. I was very disappointed in the Tundra's interior. Did not seem comfortable for a larger person. I am really amazed that the Aluminum body of the F150 is being overlooked. I have ridden in Tundra's, I expected a smoother ride. Also, try and find a Tundra equipped the way you want it. You will have to order one at almost every dealership.,
I bought that exact Toyota, (Love the blue) I enjoyed watching my truck go up against a Ford, I have had to many Fords break down on me, especially the trucks.
I just traded in my 2011 Tundra with zero problems. I guess I just really like depending on my truck to get me where I want to go. Go Toyota!
Tim I get the rust thing mine had some surface rust also I sprayed some rust oleum on it and it stayed nice. Toyota had big rust issues in the past serious issues so they learned their lesson
A Tundra is 48.7 inches wide between the wheel wells. The F-150 is 51.1 inches wide between the wheel wells. A sheet of Melamine or MDF is 49 inches wide. Put that in your truck bed and smoke it! For the record I am a Toyota lover.
I completely understand what you mean by "truck truck", and that's what I'm looking for!
Yes, Toyota has a well- earned reputation for reliability. That said.....this is a new platform that has to prove itself over the long haul just like any other new platform. Reputation will get you through the 1st couple of years but beyond that........
every one forgets
defective piston rings causing excessive oil consumption
2007 class action law suit
thier fix was only engine that burned more than a quart every 1200 miles
. when you make a engine for 15 years there is plenty of time to get it right . tim talks about rust but it was toyota that had to replace fames.
@@jeffforbes70 father in-laws 2017 f150 platinum ecoboost needs a new transmission at 80k miles. Another friends 2015 f150 ecoboost needed a new engine block at 30k miles. That friend now drives a 2020 Tundra. Never heard of such issues from Toyota.
@@kaikelii my 2010 tundra blew the engine at 100k miles. Never buying Toyota again.
He keeps talking about features being only available on the higher trims, but you can option them in an xlt, ex the work surface, and the tailgate work surface
The previous generation Limited model Tundra came standard with leather interior. To get leather seats in the new generation Tundra you have to spend more money and purchase either a 1794, TRDPro, or Capstone model. The limited now comes with Softex and it looks like vinyl to me.
no that is incorrect.
TRDPro comes with softex and you can get leather on platinum trim also.
Or Platinum
Thanks for the correction. Is leather standard on the Platinum model then, or an option?
@@DH-mf2lv yes leather is standard on platinum
I drove two 2021 f150s a few weeks ago, they both have engine shudder. I noticed it with my fusion years ago but the service people didn't believe me. You can feel it with my 2015 f150, I've felt it in a 2019 f150. Does it matter? Idk but it's concerning to watch the rpms jump while idling. I do not believe it brand loyalty at this point because it can only hurt the customer in the end. I have loved my two fords, I will definitely cry when I trade in my f150 but I'm also super pumped for my new tundra :) I see brand new fords, Chevys, and Rams with rust on the rear differential. They seem to leave the factory rusty.
Great job 👏🏻
Thank you
Tim - GREAT VIDEO. Appreciate your objective view on both trucks sharing pros and cons. Your suggestion is the one that I had used ordering the 2022 Tundra which is on order. I am not as concerned with all the potential features such as powering my home, etc. However, I am concerned with reliability and specific features like the rear locker which it has. Thanks again.
Both trucks have rear lockers.
I ordered the tundra this week my decision also based on reliability in the toyota name. I have seen issues online with the turbo and other small issues on fit and finish....😬
Time will tell.
Both of those are nice. I recently was in the market for a new truck. The Tundra was not even an option as it is not really available. I compared a F150 Lariat and a RAM Limited. Both vehicles had an MSRP of $67K. The Ford with the 3.5 eb was definitely faster but the 5.7 Hemi sounded much better. The RAM was generally better equipped and more quiet going down the road. The RAM felt heavier but better planted when driving. Both were nice but the dealership experience made all the difference. The RAM was marked $2K under MSRP while the Ford was marked up $2.5K over MSRP. I refuse to do business that wants to charge over MSRP so I went with the RAM. So far I am pleased with my choice.
Gotta love the RAM. There's a pile of RAMS on the local dealer lot but not a new F150 to be found on the Ford lot. The saying around here is " The Ram dealer gets trucks in to park on the sales lot; the Ford dealer gets F150s in to sell".
@@cwqrpportable well around here it is hard find any of them. RAM dealer had about the same inventory as the Ford dealer. However, the RAM dealer was not insisting on butt raping me like the Ford dealer. I wish they would all offer a direct purchase option like Tesla uses. We would then see what value the dealerships add. I suspect that the dealerships would quickly fold up and go out of business
@@JHuffPhoto glad your butt is ok.
@@trumpisastump9382 yes I am very protective of that area. 😂
Price.....availability and ultimate Resale??? that is why.
Great video. I agree with you on almost all points. The word 'reliability' gets misconstrued bc people immediately think of the engine, but it has more to do with durability of the components. Does the dash break down in the sun? Do the seats break down over 100,000 miles?, etc. I hate that ford won't stop holding power mirrors hostage!! I ended up buying a ford only bc of toyotas horrible purchasing model. Great features, but you can't order the features or colors that you want!
There are benefits to a NON-flat floor. It keeps things from rolling across the whole truck and becoming unreachable, or a death object. Also, might we assume better drive train clearance offroad? I like both floors equally.
U r worried about a seat and a dash and think thats reliability? I respectfully disagree with u. Thats a quality control type issue and as for reliability that does generally mean drivetrain and suspension and i can tell u fords r junk. I had a 3.5 ecoboost 2016 for 4 months and it was the biggest piece of junk i ever owned . broke down 2 times and over heated every time i had to tow my trailer 6-8k pounds up hill. I talked to ford techs and other techs and they all told me i should just go back to using my 08 tundra for towing if i need reliability. So i got rid of that ford. Several friends of mine ha e had same issues with there f150s and suspension failures and dont even have over 100k on there trucks. My 08 tundra has about 420k all towing miles with 0 repairs just maintenance. Only down side is it loves loves gas in a bad way. I probably go thru 45dollars a day wich suck and that why i was tryong out that ecoboost to get better mpg but it just wasnt reliable at all.
@@jd-it4on I agree with you. I still think parts durability and quality are part of the reliability conversation also though. As a Toyota fan I can tell you that you wouldn't have gotten 420k out of a ford seat like you did in the Tundra.
We have a '21 Silverado and I've already been truck shopping due to the terrible build quality and engine design (you guessed it, the lifters already failed), so these two have been on my radar. I was excited for the new Tundra, but the smaller back seat with the huge drivetrain hump, the significantly narrower/smaller bed, the lack of a built-in step/real bumper to get in the bed, and the really low payload numbers (we tow a camper) have essentially taken it off the table for me. The F150 is a strong contender, but for a marginal price increase, I can get an F250 with the 6.2 gas V8 and gain way more payload, reliability, and a larger bed, albeit with higher fuel consumption.
I've been looking at all the trucks. The Chevy has the lifter issues, the Ford has oil leaks and questionable reliability. The Ram is old big V8. The 2022 Tundra is just ugly. Looks like a 1970 Lincoln Town car with a 2 in lift.
@@jimh2061 lol did you mention the Ram?? 🤣
The quality that Toyota is offering over the ford is worth it alone
Quality?? which one the interior alone of ford is way better than any garbage Toyota
@@hotrod7603 Because the only thing worth judging in a truck is the interior. Not the engine, not the transmission, not the cooling system, not the oil lines, not the suspension, not the chassis... Toyota keeps peddling their same ancient system they've been using for ten plus years because it works flawlessly. Ford keeps blowing millions on useless options that break because their next year model just has to have more features. Features that break and cost thousands to fix.
@@fartexplosion4480 The new Toyotas are failing at 11k miles. They are not reliable anymore.
Toyota outsold Ford (and GM) in the United States in 2021 and is the World’s Largest Automaker. Their reputation is built upon durability and reliability.
I’m not so sure with this Gen 3 with all the recalls so far. 🤔😬I’ve owned Tundras since 2005 and currently have an 2016 Tundra Limited with 21,000 miles I purchased new. Guess I’m keeping my Gen 2 as the new Tundra is not growing on me At All.🤔
I want to like the Toyota, but just can't get there. Although there are some features I like about it. Just not enough to make the switch from a 2015 F150. Looking to update later this year or 2023.
One item that did surprise me about the King Ranch was no power folding mirrors! My first thought was Ford is eliminating as a standard feature to save on micro-chips.
They do offer folding tow mirrors as an option
I just woke and up saw this, then heard him say I'm going to ignore the King Ranch features. I got a chuckle out of that. Good luck with that 🙂
No negative about any of these trucks. There are Tundra fans and there are F-150 fans. I personally like both trucks.
Anybody who actually uses their trucks, knows to go Ford. That F-150 is a work of art.
A Picasso for sure
Very good review!
I'm a toyota guy and saw a new Tundra at the dealer for the first time. So disappointing to see how low it sits. I thought it was a 2 wheel drive and looked on tailgate and it said 4x4. I hate the body style.
Agreed X5
That's why they sell factory lift kits for them? 🤷♂️
Right on........ agreed
@@beexiong2995 That's true but when your spending 60k you would like it to have a decent stance for those of us who don't want to get into lift kits and big tires. Even the 2021 Tundra has a much better look to it.
@@jimh2061 I'm sure the tundra isnt the only truck to sit low. For example the GM twins look so large and low. Since the mid 2000s trucks have been getting lower to benefit from aero and mpgs
The Toyota haters In the comments are wild
I just traded my Ford Expedition (4th one I’ve owned) in for a Toyota Tundra Limited as I moved and need an open bed. Love Ford but too expensive these days. I’m still having a hard time getting used to the ridiculous looking front grill - talk about over kill. Also don’t care for the small buttons on the dash and steering wheel.
“Toyota will last longer because it has less features to break” ? You can buy the Ford without all the extra features as well, for longer term reliability.
It goes without saying that Toyota and Honda annihilate American brands when it comes to both short and long term reliability and it has nothing to do with electronics and other parts
@@tv-ke4lx that was the case 5 years ago, but not the case anymore. The reliability of Toyota is not what it used to be
@@tv-ke4lx my 2010 tundra blew the the trans when I towed 7k. Never buying a Toyota again.
You can get the bed package on the xl, xlt. Not limited to higher trims. I have step and work top on my xl. And that tundra front end is hideous. And that isxa wireless phone charger in the F150, thats why it has to lay flat. You should know that one . The flat front work surface is available in every trim as well.
Also, I golf, the flat floor is essential when it comes to storage or on a long road trip across Canada, easy to grab a nap with a sleeping bag
Tim you sure those mirrors are not auto folding in the f150. Looks like the button is there. I could be wrong. Lol. I’m getting ready to order a powerboost and I’m pretty sure the KR has auto folding mirrors. I also think it has the auto dimming mirror. 🤔
It does have folding mirrors, Tim didn't find the button, didn't the truck come with an owners manual?
Also the F150 comes with a power deployment air dam, just like the Toyota, just the F150 was fully extended down when it is parked
I think the biggest difference is how well the Tundra rides and shifts compared to the Ford. The F150 seems to have hard clunky gear shifts. It also have a much more springy bouncy rear end. The power band of Tundra also seems to be much more smooth. I tried to give the Ford a fair consideration. But for me it's going to be a new Tundra.
Interesting, when i test drove a 2021 F150 Tremor (fully loaded) prior to putting in my custom order i felt that it drove like a dream. Plenty of power and the 10 speed transmission felt really nice to me. I won't be towing very often so unsure about that comparison but i was in love with the Tremor the second i drove it.
edit: I should add i wasn't able to test drive a new Tundra TRD Pro which i was cross shopping against the Tremor. I liked the Tremor so much though that i don't really care now.
I have a 21 3.5 F150 and I've found the drive modes certainly impact the transmission's feel. Generally, I've found it to be smooth/compliant. However, it is not as buttery smooth as a 4 runner or Highlander (Speaking from user/owner experience).
I've never driven the new Tundra.
@Rick He is lying. period.
@Rick Yeah the Powerboost can be....but what I saw was between 2nd and 3rd gear....2021 model. It seems to do it when just baby the throttle VS being a little more harder on it.....doesn't do it in sport mode.
I bit my tongue in the past with the Ford Surface Rust debate here and on others channels. Well Toyota is clean no rust… now. My 2002 Tundra along with many others were bought back by Toyota not because of surface rust but rust through and rot in the frame. It did not show a lot of surface rust either… till it rust through.
the surface rust debacle was a "nothing burger". Limited to heavy metal parts like the axle and rear diff. Ford got sloppy and the "problem" is fixed.
@@cwqrpportable when did they fix it? Is that a 2022 fix?
@@vdan02 Go check the lots out now Daniel; as far as actual dates I can't honestly tell you that.
I'm a metallurgist, so when I hear people barking and whining about surface rust on a drivetrain it makes me laugh. Has it really all come down to this? Ford's frame and bodies are excellently designed and are not a rust issue.
@@cwqrpportable I'm not saying that Ford's aren't well built, however after seeing the rockers rust out of my Avalanche it brings the question of rust to mind. I guess part of me thinks that we have come a long way in terms of technology, rust protection on a $75,000 truck that I'm looking to buy should be a consideration. It won't impact the ability to drive or function in the short term, however makes me feel better about spending that cash when you look back and appreciate how well a product has aged. If it was a truck half the price it might not matter so much, just my .02.
@@vdan02 All good points.
Shing Rancho my number one pick of a truck hands down all around I will always continue to prime a key matchup I compare every truck in lineup
I own a 2013 f150 v8 with 98000 miles only change oil battery and tire so for my money I’m sticking with the f150
Similar experiences here
Just saw a video of another issue where the Tundra bed will move and dent the back of the cab when the truck is stuck or trying to find traction and wheel hops causing the bed to bounce.
Yes and that’s insanity to box frame my 2020 tundra‘s c channel frame i’m a Toyota man but I do not like that 2022 at all and I V6 will never hold up If you start hauling heavy and toe and heavy
@@dominica2765 that is simply not true, look at the EcoBoost!
@@dominica2765 toe and heavy ???????
There is power folding mirror it's on the door control just to be correct
In my opinion, the Ford is the better truck.
The benefit Tundra had in quality over the F150 has always been helped by the fact that the Tundra hasn't done any major model changes. When models change parts change, vendors change and jobs at the assembly plant change. It will take Toyota quite some time to dial in everything. Unfortunately customers will indirectly become beta testers.
You mean like every other model change for every other brand with some being every year?
Yeah that argument is old and worn so you might want to find something new to bitch about
@@tv-ke4lx I didn't see TheJerkStore's comments as bitching, they are rather insightful. I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that Toyota (overall) is a more reliable brand for the reasons mentioned above. I don't own a toyota but would consider one down the road for the statistical likelihood of having a (likely) more reliable vehicle.
It doesn’t come across as “bitching”. I’ve had Toyota sales people tell me to wait a year before purchasing the Tundra. That says a lot!
@@davidcmatson Easy, Bubba....you're right, it is something every vehicle goes through. Its not something Tundra or its employees at the plant have gone through in a long time. That was kind of the point of my comment.
The benefit Tundra's have is that they aren't Ford's and the resale value is far superior. Ford's are shit for the most part. I love the part about groceries and cargo room. The last two trucks I've had were a 2015 Tundra in the 1794 Edition and a 2010 Tundra Crewmax. Both loaded. Which means they have nothing as far as interior features go. I bought a 2018 Subaru Outback a year ago and it laughs at those trucks. The cargo room with the back seats down is triple what I had in those Tundra's.. It will go anywhere those trucks used to go and get more than double the gas mileage.. I'll be keeping my eye on the new Tundra's and that twin V6 engine to see how it performs. You can keep your Ford
Comparing unicorn hybrid/luxury version of a truck to a mid level version doesn't make a lot of sense. Just drop the power running boards and your at least close to the payload the the Tundra. The payload difference is only 80 lbs as they sit. You need to check the manual to see what the towing capacity for that engine/axle/cab configuration is.
Well to be fair the KR does have 2 trims above it in the model lineup (below Platinum and Limited), so really it’s just a single step above where a Limited Tundra falls (at least in terms of model hierarchy).
@@ALMX5DP Tundra Limited is like a loaded XLT or base Lariat in my book. Plat and KR differences are in styling.
@@andyd5492 that's what i mean, the KR is just one step above a Lariat in Ford's lineup, so not too terribly different other than the powertrain (which isnt yet available on Tundra).
Thanks for the review, very informative.....Is it just me or at mark 4:15 is there a random guy standing in the field in the background??? LOL
Not random. That's Fred. He drove the other truck to the field.
@@Pickuptrucktalk got ya... Well your reviews are always enjoyable keep up the good work.
How is the turning radius in 22 tundra compared to the previous generation
2.3' wider for Double Cab or CrewMax with standard bed. Was 22' on previous generation. Now 24.3'.
Does anyone know how the space is in the back seats in the 2022 tundra compared to the king ranch (truck that I currently have) Also I noticed that you said the king ranch has no powered mirrors which in my 2016 one it does it just because it's a review truck?
Power folding mirrors. On this particular version of it, it wasn't there. The Tundra is very similar to King Ranch for back seat space.
@@Pickuptrucktalk sound good since the new gmc didnt impress me in back seat size
Interior work space is a $195 option in XLT. It’s not just “upper trim levels”
How did you get the limited premium package, trd off road and the power package? I can't seem to configure it that way. If I select the limited premium, trd off road it will not let me add the power package with the plugs and bed lights.
The rear suv/minivan looking tundra bumper is horrible. it and the tow hook issue will be fixed in a year or two.
Yea the back seat storage really sucks for me on the Tundra. I was so excited, i love the flats for the Ford.
Wouldn't a more ideal off-road vehicle be one with a substantially shorter wheelbase than a crew cab pickup?
Yup. Like a 2-door Wrangler would be ideal. However, you give up a lot of space for the shorter wheelbase.
I'm not confident in any of the current generation trucks being able to last twenty years . I believe longevity was pushed aside for profits and returning customers back to their dealers every 8-10 years for a vehicle under warranty
When did you learn this?
You are 100% correct these new trucks are nowhere near as good as the last generation.
WHO, in their right mind, wants to drive the same truck for 20 years???
@@stevenlefebvre2991 Toyota and Lexus have taken a huge step backwards...But then again.....both manufacturers still had their fair share of problems when they were "reliable". Honda, Nissan and Toyota as I like to call the big 3, were significantly ahead of their time compared to Chrysler, Ford and Chevy. Not without issue however. I truly believe the very early 90's for Japanese reliability and dependability will never be seen again because the Japanese aren't stupid. They saw how many morons here bought junk that didn't last and kept being brand loyal....USA USA USA....and decided why should we give a fuck about what we make. Any vehicle is about as good as any comparable vehicle on the road today. Maybe minus higher end expensive automobiles have more problems.
@@cwqrpportable Smart people unlike yourself. Not every indigent needs TIK TOK while driving down the street
Actually the food down desk in the ford can be added in XLT
One thing that drives me crazy is why Ford doesn't give the back seat passengers an armrest in the XLT trim?
Great video! Would love more of this format!
Power folding side mirrors are standard on Larait trims and up!
Power folding mirrors are on most big horn level Ram's which is at the XLT level for the F-150.
My Big Horn has power folding mirrors but I can see you may not need them as much on the Ford as they mirrors are much smaller and don't stick out nearly as far.