I agree, Toyota needs to be accountable in standing behind their vehicle. Having a 100,000 mile warranty is a good start. There should be a depreciation value reimburse to the owners as well.
I passed on the Tundra specifically because it was the first year with a new engine. F150 is on its third generation v6 turbo by now, always safer to skip the first generation.
Longtime Toyota owner here (4th and 5th gen 4Runners and 3rd gen Tacoma). I was in the market for a full-size pickup this spring and ended up purchasing a 2024 F150 5.0 Coyote (5.0L V8) SuperCrew. I'm in love with it so far. Terrific power. Terrific V8 sound. Smooth ride (much more planted on the highway than my Toyotas). No turbos, engine debris, poor fit and finish, broken axles/front diffs, etc to worry about that seem to be plaguing the new Tundra and Tacoma and leaving them piling up on dealer lots. Large dealer discount (5% below invoice) and low interest rate (3.9 for 60 months from Ford), while arrogant Toyota dealers in some places are laughably still trying to slap market adjustments well over MSRP. The Ford is not quite as tightly built as my 5th gen 4Runner, but it does seem on par or better than my Mexican Taco, which felt very tinny and had a transmission with ADHD. I really feel that Toyota swung and missed badly with all of the latest generations of its trucks (3G Tundra, 4G Tacoma, and soon to be 6G 4Runner). People always expected bulletproof reliability for a fair price from Toyota, and they have absolutely failed with the new turbo trucks. Things went bad, and quickly, for Toyota since 2022 when they abandoned their principles. It's really a shame to see a once great brand crumbling before our eyes. This will take some time to fix, and it won't be easy. They need to clean house in Japan and bring in some leadership that know what they're doing. Then they can get back to being Toyota.
Toyota screwed up big with the crappy looking design and quality in the 2016 Tacomas and the new tundras are pure garbage! I only like tacomas 2015 or older and 1st & 2nd gen Tundras!
@@Wicho4414 It's a nice ride. I'm getting 18.7 mpg combined through 3,500 miles and just got 24 mpg on a 300 mile drive yesterday, roughly the same as my 4Runner, but with 400hp instead of 275. The 5.0 is remarkably efficient for a V8.
My 2022 platinum tundra lost its transmission at 20k and lost the engine at 34k if you saw the number of engine and trans failures in the new tundras you would steer clear of them
@@JoBiatchwrong 😂 if all oil changes are done at dealership and they send the oil analysis with a paid postage package can’t void anything. That’s why people should always ask questions and get everything in writing. 10k oil changes is the reason cars breakdown
@@kellyvoelkel8442 True, I saw this on another video. It makes sense that it could be a bad engine design since Japan and the USA built engines are having the same issues. I'm not an engineer or mechanic.
I do not want any of these turbo charged over stressed engines. Give me the 5.0 liter in the Ford and 5.7 in the Tundra. I have written off GM and Dodge. I own two trucks. I have the 5.3 liter Vortec prior to the ACMS system and a 4.8 purchased because it did not have ACMS. I keep hearing this is mandated by the government. Let’s change the friggin government. What is better for the environment? A vehicle that lasts 75,000 miles or one that lasts 300,000? There is pollution and energy costs that go into each new vehicle. Many of vehicles sold today are short changing the younger generation. My last Silverado had 385,000 and was still going strong but needed another transmission. A new owner put in another transmission and I saw it back on the road a week later. I know that simple is better and all the fancy poop that they are putting in trucks today will be a problem tomorrow.
The manufacturers don’t really care about environment. They care about profit. Building 75k miles truck while getting to claim environmental friendliness is a total win. Governmental regulations are just these manufacturers setting the rules of the game for themselves. They are already heavily controlled/influenced by the manufacturer lobbies. Everybody is working solely to maximize the profit.
This was a bit of a sugarcoating. Catastrophic engine failure is a far more serious recall than what we generally see even with new roll outs. Also, there are already reports of new 2024 trucks having the same engine failure- the assumption that newer trucks aren’t affected and the issue was corrected doesn’t look to be accurate. We need to stop giving Toyota free passes on their quality because we previously knew them to build reliable vehicles- it’s pretty clear they have slipped in that regard.
Sugar coating or very optimistic opinion was also my feeling. It's more than just a few being affected by major engine problems not to mention over smaller problems with sub standard materials and short life.
Did we forget about the 54 separate recalls the 2007-2021 Tundras and unfortunately one issue that was never fixed was cam tower leaks and why it wasn't a safety recall is beyond me especially when you have oil dripping on a hot exhaust manifold.
@davidromero6335 meanwhile GM has been building the same garbage V8 for decades that eats it's own camshaft and leaves people stranded but has never had a recall even though it is 20 times more common than cam tower leaks on a engine from 2007.
IMHO Toyota did not include the 2024 Tundra's because the dealership could not sell them with a active recall. That is OK because they are no longer selling 2024 anyways.
2024 was also likely not recalled because the if you look at the effected engine dates in the recall only a very small portion of those engines would have made it into the 2024's. I think they will get recalled just like the hybrids at some point but it will be by VIN and not the whole allotment.
I bought a 24 GMC Sierra 1500 6 cyl turbodiesel and super happy with it. Mileage is incredible and the entire truck feels very high quality and well put together. I'm averaging 23mpg around town and got over 30 mpg on my last road trip
I was all set to buy a new gen Tundra back in early 2023 but decided not to because I followed this guy who might have had the first engine problems. No one believed him but for some reason, I concluded that the guy was genuine and honest. I ended up getting a Ram Rebel 2022 for a really good deal and so far, I love the truck.
Nice.My coworker just bought a 2022 with 20k miles on it the beginning of the year.The engine bricked itself shortly after and he had to lemon law it.Nice trucks hopefully you have better luck
Most full size truck have on average 20 fatalities per million sold. Except Ram. They average 50 deaths per million sold. It turns out it has nothing to do with the truck. It is because alcohol is more likely involved in Ram crashes for some reason.
Wow… This is probably one of the most honest reviews I’ve seen in quite a while! I still have faith in Toyota to turn this thing around… hopefully they come through for their loyal consumers.
I got a 2024 Tundra just twelve days before the recall. I feel like I’ve been duped. I know the 2024’s are currently not included on the recall but something tells me I’ve made a BIG mistake. Thank God it’s a leased vehicle.
@@mob4everin a few years probably, but trucks that are already out aren’t going to be magically fixed. Now if it had actually been financed it, you would now have to take it to the shop and wait who knows how long for the dealer to take apart and reassemble the entire engine in the new $60k truck. Probably would have to wait for new paint on plastic parts too since that’s also a problem with the tundras.
If engines from 2 different plants in 2 different countries have the same failure it seems more likely to be a design problem rather than a process problem
The process is part of the design. They aren't going to manufacture the same engine differently dependant on region. You think they are going to build variations of manufacturing equipment?
nope design problems hybrid not yes because they have ev support , and recall with warranty pay and job not in good skills technician will have another problems after work
One thing for a Tundra/Lexus owner to do right now is put on a strong neodymium OIl Drain Plug Magnet. GoldPlug, Dimple, Votex, or similar quality magnet brand. If the machining debris is circulating, you will catch an abnormally high amount on the magnet and have something to show a dealership if needed. A small amount of iron metal dust on the magnets is normal, but if it's caught bigger debris, that is an indication of a problem.
people dont seem to see the fact that it is not just the tundra, it is also the lexus. these blocks are made in 2 completely different factories across the world from each other and yet having the same debris issue? not likely. there are things that toyota are not saying here. this same engine is inside the brand new gx550 too, so, toyota/lexus NEEDS this engine to work and not give them issues because if not it will destroy their sales and business on pretty much every flagship model. this is sad because even after "fixing the issue" it still happens yet again and again over and over for most of the affected vehicles. This is to the point that the dealerships are refusing them on trade in but they sure arent refusing to sell and advertise them everywhere to everyone though. This is sad from toyota and needs to be made right more than just fixing it and more than just a public apology that means nothing at all from the owner/ceo of toyota/lexus
Having a main bearing fail is not the same as having a rattle in the dashboard for a recall. I feel sorry for the owner's who will be taking a huge financial hit, if they go to resale or trade the truck in. Fortunately, Toyota isn't a player in the full size truck market so fewer people will take the hit, but it still sucks for the Toyota owners.
They won’t take any hit. Porsche had a fire in their most desirable 911 in the 2015 GT3. They stopped sales and stopped drive. Paid their owners $2500 a month while not driving. They replaced the engine which is way more costly than a tundra motor. And they extended the warranty to 10 years. I believe Toyota will replace the motor and extend the warranty. Toyotas currency with their customers is their reliability. They won’t let that take a hit. They’ll do the right thing, they’ll fix the issue and resale won’t suffer
@jimsteinway695 having your truck in the shop IS taking a hit, especially when it will be in the shop for a prolonged time like with this issue. some people have their trucks set up a certain way to suit their needs and a loaner will not suffice for replacement. sure, the people that use their trucks to commute and go grocery shopping will be fine, but thats not everyone.
@@JJ_MTB_15 I have it treated with rust protection every year since new, so far zero rust, our city uses a lot of salt in the winter months to deice the roads
Just traded 2020 f150 for comparable 24 GMC. I had gone back and forth between GM and ford every 6-8 years. I can say with confidence after just owning 2 f150s back to back that the GMC doesn’t quite stack up. I knew what I was buying but I found myself annoyed by some deficiencies. A couple of examples, the app to monitor and start the trucks are free with ford and $15 per month with GM. Slightly less power with 3-4 mpg less. Those were the ones that really got me but the other small things add up. Who knows which one will go 200,000 miles but it really doesn’t matter because I won’t keep it that long.
Hot take: Chasing more MPGs will destroy Toyota's reputation as the most reliable brand. On another note the issue with this recall is it might involve engine work, if you know how they pay technicians at US dealerships you'd rather get rid of the car.
One option might be to just scrap the engine and replace with new. The economics of doing so does not compare to retail price of new engines as seen by the public.
They're not chasing sh!t. You know that there's this agency called the EPA. All manufacturers have to meet certain standards based on their averages. Toyota was just late to the party cause they dont sell nearly as many fleet vehicles, they dont have hd trucks or vans in the U.S. which why the big 3 had to make these changes a while ago.
As someone that owns a 24 Sequoia, I love it. Toyota seems to take care of their issues. What about GM with the lifter issues? They aren’t recalling any of those. I hade a 22 Tahoe that had a lifter failure at 3000 miles and numerous electrical issues. Fords V8 has oil burning issues. They are doing about it. 1-1.5 quarts every thousands miles is acceptable to Ford. Cam phasers in the V6 is still an issue Toyota has had issues with frames,engine, and other issues in the past and they find the issue and fix it. The 4.6 and 5.7 also has issues. Doesn’t seem anyone else is like Toyota when trying to find solutions.
David, in '22 I chose the F-150 over the Tundra and I couldn't be happier with my choice for all the reasons you mentioned. It has great on road manners. My biggest criticism of my F-150 is the paint. It's the worst I've ever had in a vehicle. Can you do you paint thickness test please?
Somethings never change, always change oil on a brand-new engine within 500 to 1000 miles, no matter what the manufacturer tells you. It's likely the mileage intervals for oil changes are influenced by the marketing team, trying to one up the competition.
Amen people need to learn that the lease game has made destroying your car a thing honestly. In the 70s 80s and 90s all car had a break in oil period. Oil analyst shows the iron and other debris that destroy engines. People waiting 5k or 10k is insanity for an oil change
Long interval oil changes are a marketing ploy. In most situations the long interval is for normal driving only with normal driving defined as highway driving ONLY. So if you do city driving or short trips then a much shorter oil change interval is required.
And he thinks Tundra problems are bad?! At least they have the balls to issue a recall when they make a mistake not like Ford that tells you to go pound sand when your 3.5 ecoshit is grinding its own cam phasers into dust at 60k miles!
Sure glad I purchased a new 2nd generation 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro employing that bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 and reliable 6 speed Aisan transmission
We have a 2014 4Runner. Lifted, 33's, winch, dual batteries, fridge set up to Overland. Old 4.0 V-6 156,000 miles and going strong. We are now towing a 4000 pound off road trailer. Like the new Trailhunter, 65-70K,(expensive) 4cyl turbo hybrid, not sure about the drivetrain. Would love the extra torque and fuel economy. Will probably wait until the 2026 model year to make sure there are no teething issues. We plan on keeping it a long time.
I've written ad nauseum about my thoughts at this point, but I'm still adamant that the problem is not (solely) machining debris, but the bottom end design converted from car use is not structurally/mechanically adept for use in the trucks. One production run I could buy debris issues, but at that point, those engines will be 'factory tainted' via start-up to load them on the transporters long before they ever touch ground on a dealer lot or a customer driveway. Three full production years (the '24s are also failing, just not covered as of the present) point at something much, Much more dire. Worse yet, rebuilt engines are still failing two and in a few cases, Three times. That could be design or even material failure, or dealer techs just really, really suck at doing hardcore repairs. An argument could be made for repeat business from the scummiest of dealers, but I doubt anyone wants to do that job dozens/hundreds of times like they are facing now. This is all on top of the lesser existing issues like the turbo wastegates going premature, transmissions of poor quality, rusting body panels from lousy installation, the door seals falling apart... Toyota's got a stout mess on their hands.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has finalized its list of automotive safety recalls for 2022. Ford Motor Company led all automakers with the most recall alerts in 2022. notified owners to bring their vehicles in for an urgent safety repair 67 times last year. All told, 8,636,265 Ford-built vehicles got a recall notice.
that's why I traded my 2021 F-150. 2 more recall notices last week alone. Almost every month it was in the shop. F-150 features are great but quality is horrible.
The recalls they refute to have nothing to do with engines, my like Wiper Blade Motor, Dash going dark etc. all easily fixed. I love my F150, and I’ve order a new one, should be hear in late July I hope. Loaded platinum with new split gate, massaging seats etc!
I was a week away from buying a 2024 Platinum when I saw the recall. Canceled my reservation right away. I’ll keep my 2022 Frontier with a V6 that won’t explode or shut down when I’m doing 80mph on the highway.
@OldmanSnake just look at that bottom end girdle. You've got to be kidding me if you think that is remotely well engineered. Toyota has effed up not making a strong enough bottom end for actual heavy duty application on that design. Someone without an engineering degree could have designed far superior.
The worst year to date for the Tundra was 2012. This year alone saw several consumer reports with issues, including the engine, the transmission, and electrical systems. The top issue reported was the air induction pump, which has a high repair cost. Problems were reported, on average, around 74,000 miles, and the price was over $3,000 to repair. Another critical issue that came out of this year was transmission failure. The transmission is like the heart of a vehicle, and when it gives out, it comes with a number of significant issues attached to it. In the case of the Tundra, issues with the transmission started showing up around 9,700 miles, which is very little for a car with a reputation like Toyota. Average costs for transmission replacement are about $5,000. In 2007, consumer reports showed that the engine was the biggest issue, with some reporting a complete failure. Among the 537 complaints collected from this consumer report, air injection pump failure and knocking pistons were the two complaints. In addition, there were reported issues with the speed control, with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reporting issues with speed control, engine cooling, and accelerator pedals. These are dangerous issues, but they appear on a small scale compared to other brands.
After two tundras,I’m going back to GM trucks after all the recent issues along with the huge price increase!! I feel like one gets a lot more for their money with GM/Ford especially the interior quality
Years from now i bet it will be found to be the main bearing change that is the issue. Thee change from 4 to a single bearing failed and that caused the metal all over the engine not the machining process
The hybrids are not counted in the recall because it is a safety recall and if the engine fails in the hybrid it still could have power to propel the vehicle to a safer location. I expect this recall to grow. Some reports of 2024 model year trucks being affected too which aren’t covered under the recall.
I don't want to own a truck that is a ticking time bomb...I want to be able to go anywhere without fear or anxiety that I may get stranded somewhere...
The 2025 Ram 1500 3.0 I6 TT are already having issues as well. It seems all of the snaller displacement turbo engines are having issues. I believe the blocks are contorting causing issues in the bottom end with the bearings and crank
My dad who was a Toyota master tech for 37 years talked me out of buying the 2022 tundra. He told me never buy a new model when it comes out. Wait a couple of years to work out the issues.
Years ago when i bought a new Yamaha TT 350 a veteran mechanic told me all new engines have machining debree which can reck havic, so give her a couple hundred miles then change the oil & that will get a lot of the debree out. I listened to him and with every new vehicle i have the oil changed before 1000 miles and that helps a lot.
Ford offers the 3.5 Ecoboost engine as well as the 5.0 liter Coyote V8 as engine options. Why couldn’t Toyota offer the same as Ford? They could use that new Aisin 10 speed transmission and PI/GDI technologies to the 5.7 3UZ-FE engine. Toyota will take a hit on their reputation for such a poor marketing decision.
They must trace those minutes from meeting who signed off on this decision and they should all be fired. Ruining a company of 100 years in one sloppy greedy political decision. Smh
Just got a 2024 Nissan Titan XD 5.6 gasser. No turbos, no auto stop/start. Simple, tried and true. Vastly underrated truck. Under stressed engine, smooth transmission.
@@kevindodge2103 ever heard of eBay? Plus the 7 and 9 speed JATCOs have proven pretty problem free. I'm sure these people never change their trans fluid (the forgotten maintenance).
Thanks for the video David. Is it possible for you to tour the Toyota engine factory and also describe the process the team goes through to solve problems such as the engine debris issue?
Love your channel, so much interesting information! My wife and I both drive cars built in Japan, 4Runner and GR Corolla. My reasoning was those would be built better than in the USA. I still have confidence those two will last, but I was scared away from a Toyota truck with the recent drive train changes.
That’s what happens when you change things. Things change. While volunteer recalls are standard it’s the nature of the recalls that sounds alarming. How can you properly fix something that concerns engine design?
Oddly similar to the massive recall at Hyundai-Kia that went on for 8 years, 2010-2018. You would think rinsing machine debris away would be a quick obvious fix. For some reason, that one went on forever.
I took one of the first Honda Ridgeline’s off the line in 2006 and drove it 450,000 km with no issues. I wanted to trade up to a Tundra from a 2017 manual Tacoma I have but I think I’ll stay put.
@@stever5359I wouldn’t touch anything from Nissan with a 10 foot pole. Good luck getting parts support on a discontinued model. Toy will fix the 3.4t. The F150 and Silverado are good alternatives.
This has become the trendy comment, that Nissan Titan is some godsend to reliability. I like them and so I joined a bunch of their online groups to do more research before purchasing. They are plagued by engine and transmission issues and cheap interior parts, similar to everyone else. Having said that, they don’t come with cylinder deactivation and auto start stop and have good power, so I can see that being worth it for a lot of people.
Stay away from the Titan diesel models. Nissan doesn't sell any parts for the transmission on the diesel Titan. That means when the front main seal ($40 part) fails, you have to purchase the entire transmission ($12K) in order to fix the truck! Brutal!!! 👎
What’s concerning is it happened up to 2 years ago and apparently it was corrected as it doesn’t affect the ‘24’s. Major work is/has been done to these engines requiring the whole engine to be removed. People have been without their trucks for weeks according to UA-camrs I have seen. This is not a ding, but a major dent to Toyota reliability.
Didn’t say they were not being responsible but saying that it seems relatively unlikely that the cause they are claiming is the sole issue. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not an expert in this but my undergrad degree is mechanical engineering and I did work in a system that manufactured complex parts. I was more on the design side not the process side. It just seems odd that engines from 2 plants both have the same problem and it’s a process issue. Now granted they probably have the same process in place at both plants but then this isn’t really an accident it’s a flaw. It’s just suspicious- they’ve been building engines for a long time with a lot of success. So the process for machining the parts of a V6 or V8 and flushing it / cleaning it should not really change much fundamentally. Perhaps they decided to get more out of each tool bit to save money and there was more debris in some engines b/c of that. But you generally build in some redundancy in a system that critical. On another note - agree with you. I have never nor will I ever own a Chrysler or GM product. My previous truck was a Tacoma that had 180k miles and was in great shape I just needed a bigger vehicle and gave Ford a chance since I got such a great deal on an F150 Lariat 3.5 Ecoboost that was still on the lot from the previous year. Like $9k less than a similar Tundra at the time (2019). It’s an OK truck - the engine is actually quite good so is transmission and the assembly / build quality is quite good. but the other parts and electric are shit. Computer went out at 40k miles - $1000. Heated seats and bed LED Are out. At 1st brake change rotors had to be replaced b/c they had fallen apart not been ground into. So ford thinks a set of rotors is supposed to last the same as a set of brake pads. Hubs and tie rods bad at 65k miles - those should last 150k easy. I complained about all this to ford corporate and they said it was all reasonable wear and tear. So I think Ford uses shit parts. So I’m not a Ford fan either. Toyota may be being honest. It just seems a little odd that you get the exact same problem from 2 plants and it’s not a more fundamental issue than they claim
Do you guys spend all day lamenting the price of trucks? Literally cannot watch a truck video without seeing folks bitching and moaning about price. Prices went up - there's been inflation, there's more features than ever before, etc. Maybe you need to look at a work truck trim if you can't scrape together the money for a nice one. Or get better jobs.
@@HaleFire7 how much are they paying for hiluxes in other countries? Is it really unreasonable for normal people to wonder why they once could afford pickup trucks, and now find it a struggle?
@@Michael-bu7ni that’s probably one of those limousines latte drinking soy boys that the trucks are being marketed towards these days, the type of guy that doesn’t get his hands dirty. talking about “just get a work truck trim or get a new job”. like wow. how insensitive
This is why I bought a new 2021 Tundra back in Dec 2020. Last year of a 14 yr run with Toyota improving every year. 5.7L V8 naturally-aspirated power and extreme reliability. And zero recalls, unlike Ford F-150’s.
David, Thanks for the review, that had to be tough for you. What’s your thoughts on the new GX550? Would you delay in purchasing with the engines being almost identical???? Also, what is the extended GC holds on many of the GX550 and LC???? Should we be concerned especially with Toyotas lack of transparency on the possible issues and all the speciation building?? Thanks
I trust toyota even if they having sum problems, what ather company would replace the frame on a 12 year old tacoma toyota did they stand by their products...
The newer Toyotas have Ear Wax or Thin undercoat in there frames to prevent the rusting now. Toyota recognized the Frame Rotting issue, and had not choice to replace them, otherwise they would have lost far too much market share! They didn’t do it because they’re amazingly generous!
Pretty bad when such a Toyota advocate tells you to buy a F150 over a Tundra. Hard to believe that after waiting 13 years Toyota failed so miserably on the redesigned Tundra. Everything from omitting things that shouldn’t be on the Tundra to quality issues to now this huge engine catastrophe. I was considering a new Tundra, my sister and brother in law Lexus SUV. Both with turbos of course. We both got cold feet. This is really going to be a big setback for the Tundra and Toyota. There’s a lot of people that have lost their faith/trust in Toyota including myself. Hope they find their way and go back to their previous QRD of manufacturing.
Plenty of hybrids are affected but they don’t need a safety recall by law necessarily because the hybrid motor can give motive power to the vehicle so it won’t stop abruptly on the highway.
Trading in my 2024 white trd pro tundra with 12k miles for a 2024 Raptor R oxford white Picking it up this Friday Will come back to Tundra when recalls are over
Absolutely the wrong thing to do unless you like to throw away money. You traded your truck a 24, which probably was made AFTER the fix was instituted, at the weakest point of the trade value for your truck. You should have waited until the fix was known and your trading position was stronger. Complete panicking move . And I drive a F150 tremor which is better than a trd pro
Hyundai kids have a 1 year warranty for a reason. They break all the time. Also their dealer network is the worst at honoring their warranty. I’d stay away. I’d heard they are marking them up. Get a Toyota
Not all engines... thus the #TundraRoulette expression, you don't know which one will fail. The F-150 is liked because it has a 36-gal fuel tank. You don't have to visit the gas station as often as with the others.
Lot of trims on trucks is there to extract the most money out of the customer. Trucks are now awfully expensive and useless. They barely fit in parking spaces and consumption is middling at best.
Appreciate your honest and candid opinions. I have always resisted being an early adopter of any car. Invariably, things come up with these very complicated machines. I feel confident that Toyota will make things right. I remain a fan of Toyota, I have owned a lot of other name plates as there are some other great cars out besides Toyota. Toyota is still one of the best for sure.
Toyota has a bigger problem on their hand than many realize. As a tundra owner and avid car enthusiast, every one knows people buy tundras for reliability absolutely better resale. They are more expensive than their competition with less tech and worse efficiency. Unless Toyota completely resolves this, they are going to pay the piper. Even a 100k warranty is pointless if it’s not resolved. I don’t want to pay $50k for a tundra and sell it for $5k in 8 years because the used market has no confidence in the drivetrain. Porsche did that with the 991.1 GT3 and the ones without the definitive solution trade for 40-50k less 10 years later.
Holding onto my 2019 1794 4x4 forever. I appreciate that it is suppose to be one of the most dependable trucks ever made. I'll put new parts on it if/when things fail. I look at dependability first as the most important thing with the way vehicles cost today. Who knows if the dust settles on Toyota and they do the right thing or if they and other manufactures realize they are asking too much for their trucks these days. If I was going to buy a truck today, it would certainly be a used 2018 to 2021 Tundra.
That’s why you need to change your break in oil at about 800 miles that way if there is any debris in there, you get it out as soon as possible and if you really want to get finicky do it at 400 miles, and open the oil filter and check to see if there’s any particles in there.
I saw a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser 70 at the Toyotafest in Long Beach, California a week ago. It has a turbo charged V8 diesel engine. That is what I want. Toyota is forced to jump through a regulatory gauntlet here in the USA to produce lower emissions vehicles. 2 Million Land Cruiser 70s would have no impact on climate.
I would love a 70 too (though the new one is a 4 cylinder, not the old V8). The main reason they can’t bring it here is due to crash safety. And American’s wouldn’t buy it, so from a business perspective it wouldn’t make sense for them. Americans like luxury, and the 70 is a tractor. I would love to have one, but we are the vast minority.
My first Toyota 07 5.7 still drive every day and just turned 650,000 not one major problem. My 2022 1794 trd with 19,500 miles and have to wonder if it's going to stay together ? Yeah you could say I'm a little pissed.
Yes, Toyota really put the screws to V35A-FTX engine owners because if they take good care of them and get them to last past the 60,000 mile powertrain warranty period and then they fail, these owners will need to spend $20,000 - $30,000 to get them replaced. Then on top of that, their trucks will depreciate fast in value because used car shoppers will know '22-'24 Tundras have short lived engines.
I have 2 24 Tundra's, a Limited & a Plat Hybrid, both with extended warranties after owning Sequoias & 5.7 Tundra's. . BUT as my F150 neighbor says "maybe people will pass on stealing them now" ....
David I think it goes back to what they had mentioned in one of your presentation in 2023. That issues will pop-up and that owners should consider that and with later iteration of the Tundra generation those recalls should be taken care of. I think time will tell once more detail comes out whether was a manufacturing process or design fault with the new engine.
when one comparison the bottom end girdle of the Tundra with aluminum and the bottom end of the for FORD 2.7 iron. YOUR EYEs will tell you the bottom end of the Tundra is not stout with bracing while the FORD has iron and a ton of bracing MY EYEs tell me Toyota got cheap and the stress of the turbo and crank and bearing is NOT STOUT enough and the bearing Is failing from wobble…. I AM SURE YOU KNOW THIS and MY EYEs tell me the Tundra was UNDER ENGINEERED creating failure
Toyota needs to extend the warranty for all Tundra owners up to 100k miles for the engine.
I agree, Toyota needs to be accountable in standing behind their vehicle. Having a 100,000 mile warranty is a good start. There should be a depreciation value reimburse to the owners as well.
They will replace the motor and extend the warranty
Try to get ford or gm to do that😂😂😂😂
Or just buy em back and scrap them all
My Ford Everest in Australia has a standard 5 year warranty with unlimited mileage, you guys in the US can do much better.
I passed on the Tundra specifically because it was the first year with a new engine. F150 is on its third generation v6 turbo by now, always safer to skip the first generation.
@@GrumpyMonkey69F150 with the 5.0 coyote are pretty good. F250/F350 with the 7.3 Godzilla NA V8 are even stronger
Agreed, never buy a 1st year refresh on any brand
@@GrumpyMonkey69 they definitely aren’t junk, but you are correct they will need continual maintenance. More performance equals more maintenance.
@@GrumpyMonkey69 Do you know how long Turbos have been used in diesel engines???
@@kona6451 in the 1980's we had a Dodge with one.
Longtime Toyota owner here (4th and 5th gen 4Runners and 3rd gen Tacoma). I was in the market for a full-size pickup this spring and ended up purchasing a 2024 F150 5.0 Coyote (5.0L V8) SuperCrew. I'm in love with it so far. Terrific power. Terrific V8 sound. Smooth ride (much more planted on the highway than my Toyotas). No turbos, engine debris, poor fit and finish, broken axles/front diffs, etc to worry about that seem to be plaguing the new Tundra and Tacoma and leaving them piling up on dealer lots. Large dealer discount (5% below invoice) and low interest rate (3.9 for 60 months from Ford), while arrogant Toyota dealers in some places are laughably still trying to slap market adjustments well over MSRP. The Ford is not quite as tightly built as my 5th gen 4Runner, but it does seem on par or better than my Mexican Taco, which felt very tinny and had a transmission with ADHD. I really feel that Toyota swung and missed badly with all of the latest generations of its trucks (3G Tundra, 4G Tacoma, and soon to be 6G 4Runner). People always expected bulletproof reliability for a fair price from Toyota, and they have absolutely failed with the new turbo trucks. Things went bad, and quickly, for Toyota since 2022 when they abandoned their principles. It's really a shame to see a once great brand crumbling before our eyes. This will take some time to fix, and it won't be easy. They need to clean house in Japan and bring in some leadership that know what they're doing. Then they can get back to being Toyota.
Toyota screwed up big with the crappy looking design and quality in the 2016 Tacomas and the new tundras are pure garbage!
I only like tacomas 2015 or older and 1st & 2nd gen Tundras!
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Well said, I am also considering a f150 with the 5.0
Well said. Toyota won’t arrogantly get out of this mess cheap but Toyota will try to.
@@Wicho4414 It's a nice ride. I'm getting 18.7 mpg combined through 3,500 miles and just got 24 mpg on a 300 mile drive yesterday, roughly the same as my 4Runner, but with 400hp instead of 275. The 5.0 is remarkably efficient for a V8.
My 2022 platinum tundra lost its transmission at 20k and lost the engine at 34k if you saw the number of engine and trans failures in the new tundras you would steer clear of them
How many oil changes did it have ?
@@michaelrr3575 6 did them every 5k not every 10k. It was scheduled for another one before it went boom 🤣
@@DJErickG2big mistake should of been 500miles, 2500 and than the 5k. I did those with oil analysis found a lot of impurities. Good luck tho brother
You damaged the engine by not following Toyota’s 10k oil change interval. Toyota will win in court and not cover your repairs.
@@JoBiatchwrong 😂 if all oil changes are done at dealership and they send the oil analysis with a paid postage package can’t void anything. That’s why people should always ask questions and get everything in writing. 10k oil changes is the reason cars breakdown
I'm really wondering if Toyota is telling the truth about the engine issues. I'm thinking the engine might be a bad design.
no one actually thinks this. you read that on another thread and are repeating it now.
@@kellyvoelkel8442 True, I saw this on another video. It makes sense that it could be a bad engine design since Japan and the USA built engines are having the same issues. I'm not an engineer or mechanic.
Time will tell @@kellyvoelkel8442
Could very well be....it's like Ford 6.0 Diesel....that engine was a piece of 💩!
but also at the same time...the TTV6 was put in the Lexus lineup for a few years before it gets into the Toyota lineup.
I do not want any of these turbo charged over stressed engines. Give me the 5.0 liter in the Ford and 5.7 in the Tundra. I have written off GM and Dodge. I own two trucks. I have the 5.3 liter Vortec prior to the ACMS system and a 4.8 purchased because it did not have ACMS. I keep hearing this is mandated by the government. Let’s change the friggin government. What is better for the environment? A vehicle that lasts 75,000 miles or one that lasts 300,000? There is pollution and energy costs that go into each new vehicle. Many of vehicles sold today are short changing the younger generation. My last Silverado had 385,000 and was still going strong but needed another transmission. A new owner put in another transmission and I saw it back on the road a week later. I know that simple is better and all the fancy poop that they are putting in trucks today will be a problem tomorrow.
Dodge hasn't built a truck in 16 years...
Yeah turbos are junk good thing Ford you can get a V8 still.
@M_dot202 we know what the Rams really are though. Dodge.
The manufacturers don’t really care about environment. They care about profit. Building 75k miles truck while getting to claim environmental friendliness is a total win.
Governmental regulations are just these manufacturers setting the rules of the game for themselves. They are already heavily controlled/influenced by the manufacturer lobbies. Everybody is working solely to maximize the profit.
Built in obsolescence
This was a bit of a sugarcoating. Catastrophic engine failure is a far more serious recall than what we generally see even with new roll outs. Also, there are already reports of new 2024 trucks having the same engine failure- the assumption that newer trucks aren’t affected and the issue was corrected doesn’t look to be accurate. We need to stop giving Toyota free passes on their quality because we previously knew them to build reliable vehicles- it’s pretty clear they have slipped in that regard.
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Agreed
not really
Sugar coating or very optimistic opinion was also my feeling. It's more than just a few being affected by major engine problems not to mention over smaller problems with sub standard materials and short life.
Six months ago I bought a 2019 Tundra Crew Max 5.7 with 42K miles for $35K. It may not have all the fancy tech but it’s reliable and paid for.
Did we forget about the 54 separate recalls the 2007-2021 Tundras and unfortunately one issue that was never fixed was cam tower leaks and why it wasn't a safety recall is beyond me especially when you have oil dripping on a hot exhaust manifold.
@davidromero6335 meanwhile GM has been building the same garbage V8 for decades that eats it's own camshaft and leaves people stranded but has never had a recall even though it is 20 times more common than cam tower leaks on a engine from 2007.
@@FRWD_FXLRST I do what I want
@@FRWD_FXLRST Harley Sucks too
All the fancy tech is a main reason not to want a new truck, on top of the other issues.
Bought a 2024 1794 Tundra a couple days before the recall... traded it in last weekend for a 2024 Raptor. Took a small hit but I have 0 regrets so far
Change theoil 2 or 3 times before you hit 10k
Lol, terrible raptor isn't true truck. Can't off road and barely tow😂
@@ericswanson9773damn I'm not a true truck bro 😢
You got lucky if you only took a small hit. You got rid of it before the world turns on Toyota.
How much of a hit we talking? I bought mine in January and have thought about how big of a hit I would take.
IMHO Toyota did not include the 2024 Tundra's because the dealership could not sell them with a active recall. That is OK because they are no longer selling 2024 anyways.
if anyone goes out and buys a 2024 tundra at this point they deserve whatever they get.
2024 was also likely not recalled because the if you look at the effected engine dates in the recall only a very small portion of those engines would have made it into the 2024's. I think they will get recalled just like the hybrids at some point but it will be by VIN and not the whole allotment.
I bought a 24 GMC Sierra 1500 6 cyl turbodiesel and super happy with it. Mileage is incredible and the entire truck feels very high quality and well put together. I'm averaging 23mpg around town and got over 30 mpg on my last road trip
I’m considering one but the $2k timing belt replacement has me concerned. It’s located on the back of the engine near the firewall.
I was all set to buy a new gen Tundra back in early 2023 but decided not to because I followed this guy who might have had the first engine problems. No one believed him but for some reason, I concluded that the guy was genuine and honest. I ended up getting a Ram Rebel 2022 for a really good deal and so far, I love the truck.
Yeah, but you still bought a Ram. 😂
Though u were getting wiser untill the last line of ur comment. Smh
Nice.My coworker just bought a 2022 with 20k miles on it the beginning of the year.The engine bricked itself shortly after and he had to lemon law it.Nice trucks hopefully you have better luck
Most full size truck have on average 20 fatalities per million sold. Except Ram. They average 50 deaths per million sold. It turns out it has nothing to do with the truck. It is because alcohol is more likely involved in Ram crashes for some reason.
@@chrismayher617 He bought a Tundra or a Ram? Which is it?
Wow… This is probably one of the most honest reviews I’ve seen in quite a while! I still have faith in Toyota to turn this thing around… hopefully they come through for their loyal consumers.
I got a 2024 Tundra just twelve days before the recall. I feel like I’ve been duped. I know the 2024’s are currently not included on the recall but something tells me I’ve made a BIG mistake. Thank God it’s a leased vehicle.
Like he said, recalls are a normal thing in the automotive world
I wouldn't worry about a lease. It'll be under warranty.
Stop crying. Toyota will fix the issue. Americans love to complain
Leased...So take a big sigh of relief. You were smart
@@mob4everin a few years probably, but trucks that are already out aren’t going to be magically fixed. Now if it had actually been financed it, you would now have to take it to the shop and wait who knows how long for the dealer to take apart and reassemble the entire engine in the new $60k truck. Probably would have to wait for new paint on plastic parts too since that’s also a problem with the tundras.
I'll just keep my 07 Tundra for a few more years :)
It should have a 4.7 liter V8 engine
@@jamram9924 My 2000 Tundra did... My current one has the 5.7L. I love it
I have 18 tundra, planning to buy new one, look like I have to wait or go to f150.
Great to see someone who is not either a fanboy or a hater of any particular brand.
I feel like the 5.7 Tundra might be the best one they will have ever made.
i agree however if we give them about 3 years to work out the issues maybe this v6 will achieve success,, not a turbo fan tho
4.7 is gem also reliability wise
I bought one in 2021. Except that the big V-8 is a little thirsty, it's as good as anything gets.
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The 4.7 V8 is a million mile engine
@@caseygammelgard8355 yep !
If engines from 2 different plants in 2 different countries have the same failure it seems more likely to be a design problem rather than a process problem
The process is part of the design. They aren't going to manufacture the same engine differently dependant on region. You think they are going to build variations of manufacturing equipment?
These engines are machined by robots using software. If that software is used in both plants then they will have the same issues.
nope design problems hybrid not yes because they have ev support , and recall with warranty pay and job not in good skills technician will have another problems after work
@@lukelowe918I think he meant it’s not a quality control issue at all certain plant
@@lukelowe918then they should have caught this process problem prior to release. They had 2 years to catch this process issue 😊
One thing for a Tundra/Lexus owner to do right now is put on a strong neodymium OIl Drain Plug Magnet. GoldPlug, Dimple, Votex, or similar quality magnet brand. If the machining debris is circulating, you will catch an abnormally high amount on the magnet and have something to show a dealership if needed. A small amount of iron metal dust on the magnets is normal, but if it's caught bigger debris, that is an indication of a problem.
people dont seem to see the fact that it is not just the tundra, it is also the lexus. these blocks are made in 2 completely different factories across the world from each other and yet having the same debris issue? not likely. there are things that toyota are not saying here. this same engine is inside the brand new gx550 too, so, toyota/lexus NEEDS this engine to work and not give them issues because if not it will destroy their sales and business on pretty much every flagship model. this is sad because even after "fixing the issue" it still happens yet again and again over and over for most of the affected vehicles. This is to the point that the dealerships are refusing them on trade in but they sure arent refusing to sell and advertise them everywhere to everyone though. This is sad from toyota and needs to be made right more than just fixing it and more than just a public apology that means nothing at all from the owner/ceo of toyota/lexus
Having a main bearing fail is not the same as having a rattle in the dashboard for a recall. I feel sorry for the owner's who will be taking a huge financial hit, if they go to resale or trade the truck in. Fortunately, Toyota isn't a player in the full size truck market so fewer people will take the hit, but it still sucks for the Toyota owners.
They won’t take any hit. Porsche had a fire in their most desirable 911 in the 2015 GT3. They stopped sales and stopped drive. Paid their owners $2500 a month while not driving. They replaced the engine which is way more costly than a tundra motor. And they extended the warranty to 10 years. I believe Toyota will replace the motor and extend the warranty.
Toyotas currency with their customers is their reliability. They won’t let that take a hit. They’ll do the right thing, they’ll fix the issue and resale won’t suffer
@jimsteinway695 I think you might be having to high of expectation about the Toyota corporation.
@jimsteinway695 having your truck in the shop IS taking a hit, especially when it will be in the shop for a prolonged time like with this issue. some people have their trucks set up a certain way to suit their needs and a loaner will not suffice for replacement. sure, the people that use their trucks to commute and go grocery shopping will be fine, but thats not everyone.
They won't take any hit. Both my Ford 150 blew an engine and my GMC Denali fell apart. I'll take my new Toyota all day over Detroit garbage
@@OldmanSnake no one cares
Love my 2018 Tundra, will keep it forever
Said that about my 2013 Tacoma until the cab rusted out
@@JJ_MTB_15 I have it treated with rust protection every year since new, so far zero rust, our city uses a lot of salt in the winter months to deice the roads
Great video...I love my 2024 1794 Tundra. Hoping and praying it's not part of the 1% affected...
Just traded 2020 f150 for comparable 24 GMC. I had gone back and forth between GM and ford every 6-8 years. I can say with confidence after just owning 2 f150s back to back that the GMC doesn’t quite stack up. I knew what I was buying but I found myself annoyed by some deficiencies. A couple of examples, the app to monitor and start the trucks are free with ford and $15 per month with GM. Slightly less power with 3-4 mpg less. Those were the ones that really got me but the other small things add up. Who knows which one will go 200,000 miles but it really doesn’t matter because I won’t keep it that long.
My thoughts of a main bearing failure are that this can turn out to be a very difficult fix, it’s serious.
Hot take: Chasing more MPGs will destroy Toyota's reputation as the most reliable brand.
On another note the issue with this recall is it might involve engine work, if you know how they pay technicians at US dealerships you'd rather get rid of the car.
One option might be to just scrap the engine and replace with new. The economics of doing so does not compare to retail price of new engines as seen by the public.
@@robertherrmann4823 true
They're not chasing sh!t. You know that there's this agency called the EPA. All manufacturers have to meet certain standards based on their averages. Toyota was just late to the party cause they dont sell nearly as many fleet vehicles, they dont have hd trucks or vans in the U.S. which why the big 3 had to make these changes a while ago.
It’s not mpg they are chasing its 0 emissions
As someone that owns a 24 Sequoia, I love it. Toyota seems to take care of their issues.
What about GM with the lifter issues? They aren’t recalling any of those. I hade a 22 Tahoe that had a lifter failure at 3000 miles and numerous electrical issues.
Fords V8 has oil burning issues. They are doing about it. 1-1.5 quarts every thousands miles is acceptable to Ford. Cam phasers in the V6 is still an issue
Toyota has had issues with frames,engine, and other issues in the past and they find the issue and fix it. The 4.6 and 5.7 also has issues. Doesn’t seem anyone else is like Toyota when trying to find solutions.
My 2011 RAM 1500 had the lifter go at 100,000 miles... the replacement engine only lasted 64k with all preventative maintenance.
My 2008 Tundra has 119k miles on the odometer and a 5.7 under the hood. I'll have this truck until the day I die and it will still be running well.
David, in '22 I chose the F-150 over the Tundra and I couldn't be happier with my choice for all the reasons you mentioned. It has great on road manners.
My biggest criticism of my F-150 is the paint. It's the worst I've ever had in a vehicle. Can you do you paint thickness test please?
I haven’t seen Toyota make a mistake like this since they introduced the 3.0 V6 in the late 80s that blew the head gasket.
Somethings never change, always change oil on a brand-new engine within 500 to 1000 miles, no matter what the manufacturer tells you.
It's likely the mileage intervals for oil changes are influenced by the marketing team, trying to one up the competition.
Amen people need to learn that the lease game has made destroying your car a thing honestly. In the 70s 80s and 90s all car had a break in oil period. Oil analyst shows the iron and other debris that destroy engines. People waiting 5k or 10k is insanity for an oil change
Long interval oil changes are a marketing ploy. In most situations the long interval is for normal driving only with normal driving defined as highway driving ONLY. So if you do city driving or short trips then a much shorter oil change interval is required.
Over 60k for base ford. And you say it’s a good deal. One of us is insane.
And he thinks Tundra problems are bad?! At least they have the balls to issue a recall when they make a mistake not like Ford that tells you to go pound sand when your 3.5 ecoshit is grinding its own cam phasers into dust at 60k miles!
Or you can go get a GM truck and watch your lifters eat themselves into nothing and have zero factory support from General Motors smh
69K Canadian is about 50K USD.
@@Grgfkn3076Just buy a used Dodge, cheapest and easiest to fix
maybe you’re too stupid to realize that he said 69k Canadian.
Sure glad I purchased a new 2nd generation 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro employing that bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 and reliable 6 speed Aisan transmission
We have a 2014 4Runner. Lifted, 33's, winch, dual batteries, fridge set up to Overland. Old 4.0 V-6 156,000 miles and going strong. We are now towing a 4000 pound off road trailer. Like the new Trailhunter, 65-70K,(expensive) 4cyl turbo hybrid, not sure about the drivetrain. Would love the extra torque and fuel economy. Will probably wait until the 2026 model year to make sure there are no teething issues. We plan on keeping it a long time.
0-60 time never? Just pulling your leg!
I've written ad nauseum about my thoughts at this point, but I'm still adamant that the problem is not (solely) machining debris, but the bottom end design converted from car use is not structurally/mechanically adept for use in the trucks. One production run I could buy debris issues, but at that point, those engines will be 'factory tainted' via start-up to load them on the transporters long before they ever touch ground on a dealer lot or a customer driveway. Three full production years (the '24s are also failing, just not covered as of the present) point at something much, Much more dire.
Worse yet, rebuilt engines are still failing two and in a few cases, Three times. That could be design or even material failure, or dealer techs just really, really suck at doing hardcore repairs. An argument could be made for repeat business from the scummiest of dealers, but I doubt anyone wants to do that job dozens/hundreds of times like they are facing now.
This is all on top of the lesser existing issues like the turbo wastegates going premature, transmissions of poor quality, rusting body panels from lousy installation, the door seals falling apart...
Toyota's got a stout mess on their hands.
David, what about all the recalls on the 150? Why should anyone trust any Ford product? Recall after recall after recall....
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has finalized its list of automotive safety recalls for 2022.
Ford Motor Company led all automakers with the most recall alerts in 2022. notified owners to bring their vehicles in for an urgent safety repair 67 times last year. All told, 8,636,265 Ford-built vehicles got a recall notice.
that's why I traded my 2021 F-150. 2 more recall notices last week alone. Almost every month it was in the shop. F-150 features are great but quality is horrible.
The recalls they refute to have nothing to do with engines, my like Wiper Blade Motor, Dash going dark etc. all easily fixed.
I love my F150, and I’ve order a new one, should be hear in late July I hope.
Loaded platinum with new split gate, massaging seats etc!
It is better than any of the rest, even with recalls!!!!!!
I was a week away from buying a 2024 Platinum when I saw the recall. Canceled my reservation right away. I’ll keep my 2022 Frontier with a V6 that won’t explode or shut down when I’m doing 80mph on the highway.
when a horse power and torque is extremely high result of turbo, crank bearing can be damaged.
When the design Is the result of overnight engineering, the end result is typically a disaster
@@quyle9483overnight engineering? You clearly have zero clue
@OldmanSnake just look at that bottom end girdle. You've got to be kidding me if you think that is remotely well engineered. Toyota has effed up not making a strong enough bottom end for actual heavy duty application on that design. Someone without an engineering degree could have designed far superior.
The worst year to date for the Tundra was 2012. This year alone saw several consumer reports with issues, including the engine, the transmission, and electrical systems. The top issue reported was the air induction pump, which has a high repair cost. Problems were reported, on average, around 74,000 miles, and the price was over $3,000 to repair.
Another critical issue that came out of this year was transmission failure. The transmission is like the heart of a vehicle, and when it gives out, it comes with a number of significant issues attached to it. In the case of the Tundra, issues with the transmission started showing up around 9,700 miles, which is very little for a car with a reputation like Toyota. Average costs for transmission replacement are about $5,000. In 2007, consumer reports showed that the engine was the biggest issue, with some reporting a complete failure. Among the 537 complaints collected from this consumer report, air injection pump failure and knocking pistons were the two complaints.
In addition, there were reported issues with the speed control, with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reporting issues with speed control, engine cooling, and accelerator pedals. These are dangerous issues, but they appear on a small scale compared to other brands.
@@ericswanson9773 Check out how much is to replace this engine and you'll see why people are concerned.
After two tundras,I’m going back to GM trucks after all the recent issues along with the huge price increase!! I feel like one gets a lot more for their money with GM/Ford especially the interior quality
I would consider a Titan while they last.
It will depreciate rapidly and not have parts availability. I’d get an F150 with the 2.7t.
Me too. Love my Titan!
The Titan is a proven platform. It is reliable and simple, V8 power, solid transmission, and the right amount of tech.
Obviously you don't watch Scottys channel. He will tell you titans are crap
@@ericswanson9773Scotty is entitled to his opinion. I've had 5 years of flawless performance from my Titan, even when towing heavy. No regrets here.
I’m a Toyota man too. I’d pick the F150 over a lot of other vehicles. Not only other trucks
Years from now i bet it will be found to be the main bearing change that is the issue. Thee change from 4 to a single bearing failed and that caused the metal all over the engine not the machining process
Darn right!
The hybrids are not counted in the recall because it is a safety recall and if the engine fails in the hybrid it still could have power to propel the vehicle to a safer location. I expect this recall to grow. Some reports of 2024 model year trucks being affected too which aren’t covered under the recall.
I don't want to own a truck that is a ticking time bomb...I want to be able to go anywhere without fear or anxiety that I may get stranded somewhere...
Good review for the F-150 David. I own one and you absolutly nailed it.
It’s all about trust. I don’t think any 2022-2023 Tundra owners have it any more.
I doubt its a metal debris issue. Its more to do with a deaign of the main bearings and perhaps the crankshaft
You neglected to mention that poor design is replicated as well. Bad design in Japan would be duplicated in Texas.
Yeah, but this guys an engineer…
The 2025 Ram 1500 3.0 I6 TT are already having issues as well. It seems all of the snaller displacement turbo engines are having issues. I believe the blocks are contorting causing issues in the bottom end with the bearings and crank
My dad who was a Toyota master tech for 37 years talked me out of buying the 2022 tundra. He told me never buy a new model when it comes out. Wait a couple of years to work out the issues.
Years ago when i bought a new Yamaha TT 350 a veteran mechanic told me all new engines have machining debree which can reck havic, so give her a couple hundred miles then change the oil & that will get a lot of the debree out. I listened to him and with every new vehicle i have the oil changed before 1000 miles and that helps a lot.
Ford offers the 3.5 Ecoboost engine as well as the 5.0 liter Coyote V8 as engine options. Why couldn’t Toyota offer the same as Ford? They could use that new Aisin 10 speed transmission and PI/GDI technologies to the 5.7 3UZ-FE engine. Toyota will take a hit on their reputation for such a poor marketing decision.
been saying that for a while. s
To Toyota it was way cheaper to run a car engine in it and call it a day ,lol , pay the piper now
They must trace those minutes from meeting who signed off on this decision and they should all be fired. Ruining a company of 100 years in one sloppy greedy political decision. Smh
Just got a 2024 Nissan Titan XD 5.6 gasser. No turbos, no auto stop/start. Simple, tried and true. Vastly underrated truck. Under stressed engine, smooth transmission.
daves auto center had a nissan truck with a bad trans you cant rebuild it just buy a new trans 12000.00 dollars no thanks.
@@kevindodge2103 ever heard of eBay? Plus the 7 and 9 speed JATCOs have proven pretty problem free. I'm sure these people never change their trans fluid (the forgotten maintenance).
Everyone saw this coming. Early adopters were basically testers to confirm the quality problems and engine problems.
Thanks for the video David. Is it possible for you to tour the Toyota engine factory and also describe the process the team goes through to solve problems such as the engine debris issue?
I doubt that Toyota is going to let any non-corporate personnel anywhere near the factories for the foreseeable future.
@@doom4067 He just toured a factory in Japan.
Love your channel, so much interesting information! My wife and I both drive cars built in Japan, 4Runner and GR Corolla. My reasoning was those would be built better than in the USA. I still have confidence those two will last, but I was scared away from a Toyota truck with the recent drive train changes.
That’s what happens when you change things. Things change. While volunteer recalls are standard it’s the nature of the recalls that sounds alarming. How can you properly fix something that concerns engine design?
Great detail and measured opinion. Thanks it's very much appreciated!
Oddly similar to the massive recall at Hyundai-Kia that went on for 8 years, 2010-2018. You would think rinsing machine debris away would be a quick obvious fix. For some reason, that one went on forever.
Should we pass Land Cruiser and 4Runner too ?
I would trust those because all Toyota pickups, Vans and SUVs with 4 cylinder engines dating back to the early 1970's have been supremely durable.
My sons 2017 Land Rover- blew its engine at 260,000 miles in Australia
I took one of the first Honda Ridgeline’s off the line in 2006 and drove it 450,000 km with no issues. I wanted to trade up to a Tundra from a 2017 manual Tacoma I have but I think I’ll stay put.
Does an engine replacement get reported on carfax?
Every warranty repair does.
reason : shitty engine design
Nissan Titan is the best bet for reliability until it gets discontinued in August
No lol
@@melvingibson4525yes, lol
@@stever5359I wouldn’t touch anything from Nissan with a 10 foot pole. Good luck getting parts support on a discontinued model. Toy will fix the 3.4t. The F150 and Silverado are good alternatives.
This has become the trendy comment, that Nissan Titan is some godsend to reliability. I like them and so I joined a bunch of their online groups to do more research before purchasing. They are plagued by engine and transmission issues and cheap interior parts, similar to everyone else. Having said that, they don’t come with cylinder deactivation and auto start stop and have good power, so I can see that being worth it for a lot of people.
Stay away from the Titan diesel models. Nissan doesn't sell any parts for the transmission on the diesel Titan. That means when the front main seal ($40 part) fails, you have to purchase the entire transmission ($12K) in order to fix the truck! Brutal!!! 👎
I was considering a new Tundra. I went back the tried and true 2018 1794 5.7 Tundra with under 22,000 miles on it. That should last me a decade or so
It is actually mostly a main bearing oiling problem. That is very difficult to fix without a new bottom end.
Toyota needs to listen to is customers
They do.
What’s concerning is it happened up to 2 years ago and apparently it was corrected as it doesn’t affect the ‘24’s. Major work is/has been done to these engines requiring the whole engine to be removed. People have been without their trucks for weeks according to UA-camrs I have seen. This is not a ding, but a major dent to Toyota reliability.
Informative, rational and technical explanations that are reassuring to me as an owner of a LX. Thank you, David!
Didn’t say they were not being responsible but saying that it seems relatively unlikely that the cause they are claiming is the sole issue. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not an expert in this but my undergrad degree is mechanical engineering and I did work in a system that manufactured complex parts. I was more on the design side not the process side. It just seems odd that engines from 2 plants both have the same problem and it’s a process issue. Now granted they probably have the same process in place at both plants but then this isn’t really an accident it’s a flaw. It’s just suspicious- they’ve been building engines for a long time with a lot of success. So the process for machining the parts of a V6 or V8 and flushing it / cleaning it should not really change much fundamentally. Perhaps they decided to get more out of each tool bit to save money and there was more debris in some engines b/c of that. But you generally build in some redundancy in a system that critical. On another note - agree with you. I have never nor will I ever own a Chrysler or GM product. My previous truck was a Tacoma that had 180k miles and was in great shape I just needed a bigger vehicle and gave Ford a chance since I got such a great deal on an F150 Lariat 3.5 Ecoboost that was still on the lot from the previous year. Like $9k less than a similar Tundra at the time (2019). It’s an OK truck - the engine is actually quite good so is transmission and the assembly / build quality is quite good. but the other parts and electric are shit. Computer went out at 40k miles - $1000. Heated seats and bed LED Are out. At 1st brake change rotors had to be replaced b/c they had fallen apart not been ground into. So ford thinks a set of rotors is supposed to last the same as a set of brake pads. Hubs and tie rods bad at 65k miles - those should last 150k easy. I complained about all this to ford corporate and they said it was all reasonable wear and tear. So I think Ford uses shit parts. So I’m not a Ford fan either. Toyota may be being honest. It just seems a little odd that you get the exact same problem from 2 plants and it’s not a more fundamental issue than they claim
Don’t trust anyone that says it’s only $61,000 and that is ridiculously cheap.
He’s talking Canadian dollars…
Do you guys spend all day lamenting the price of trucks? Literally cannot watch a truck video without seeing folks bitching and moaning about price. Prices went up - there's been inflation, there's more features than ever before, etc. Maybe you need to look at a work truck trim if you can't scrape together the money for a nice one. Or get better jobs.
@@HaleFire7 how much are they paying for hiluxes in other countries? Is it really unreasonable for normal people to wonder why they once could afford pickup trucks, and now find it a struggle?
@@HaleFire7you seem to lack some perspective. Advise you go and find it, instead of bitching about people finding it hard to buy things these days.
@@Michael-bu7ni that’s probably one of those limousines latte drinking soy boys that the trucks are being marketed towards these days, the type of guy that doesn’t get his hands dirty. talking about “just get a work truck trim or get a new job”. like wow. how insensitive
This is why I bought a new 2021 Tundra back in Dec 2020. Last year of a 14 yr run with Toyota improving every year. 5.7L V8 naturally-aspirated power and extreme reliability. And zero recalls, unlike Ford F-150’s.
David, Thanks for the review, that had to be tough for you. What’s your thoughts on the new GX550? Would you delay in purchasing with the engines being almost identical???? Also, what is the extended GC holds on many of the GX550 and LC???? Should we be concerned especially with Toyotas lack of transparency on the possible issues and all the speciation building?? Thanks
And at 80k how will the overstressed turbo be
I trust toyota even if they having sum problems, what ather company would replace the frame on a 12 year old tacoma toyota did they stand by their products...
The newer Toyotas have Ear Wax or Thin undercoat in there frames to prevent the rusting now.
Toyota recognized the Frame Rotting issue, and had not choice to replace them, otherwise they would have lost far too much market share!
They didn’t do it because they’re amazingly generous!
Pretty bad when such a Toyota advocate tells you to buy a F150 over a Tundra. Hard to believe that after waiting 13 years Toyota failed so miserably on the redesigned Tundra. Everything from omitting things that shouldn’t be on the Tundra to quality issues to now this huge engine catastrophe. I was considering a new Tundra, my sister and brother in law Lexus SUV. Both with turbos of course. We both got cold feet. This is really going to be a big setback for the Tundra and Toyota. There’s a lot of people that have lost their faith/trust in Toyota including myself. Hope they find their way and go back to their previous QRD of manufacturing.
Finally!!! I was waiting for you sir . Thank you 🙏🏽
Most welcome!
I still drive my 2006 Tundra Double Cab 4.7L with 196k miles. Still running strong!
Plenty of hybrids are affected but they don’t need a safety recall by law necessarily because the hybrid motor can give motive power to the vehicle so it won’t stop abruptly on the highway.
David, you mentioned in a previous video the new platform had room for the eight. Solution, bring back the 5.7 or even a diesel.
Mine just happened at 103K miles. I thought I was safe. Dropped it off at the dealer. Loss of power was my issue.
When trying to decide between an engine with an unresolved recall, and an engine without a recall, it's a pretty clear choice.
Trading in my 2024 white trd pro tundra with 12k miles for a 2024 Raptor R oxford white
Picking it up this Friday
Will come back to Tundra when recalls are over
Absolutely the wrong thing to do unless you like to throw away money. You traded your truck a 24, which probably was made AFTER the fix was instituted, at the weakest point of the trade value for your truck. You should have waited until the fix was known and your trading position was stronger. Complete panicking move .
And I drive a F150 tremor which is better than a trd pro
@@jimsteinway695 His truck. His decision. Move along.
smart move to get rid of it before it's included in the recall as well.
Do you have the 3.5l turbo or 5.0 tremor?
Is a Hyundai Santa Fe a reliable truck? I am looking at the turbo version.
Hyundai kids have a 1 year warranty for a reason. They break all the time. Also their dealer network is the worst at honoring their warranty. I’d stay away. I’d heard they are marking them up. Get a Toyota
Hyundai and Kia dealerships are dropping in about 10 turbo 2.0 engines a day
I would not trust a Hyundai or KIA turbo engine or their dual clutch transmissions.
Not all engines... thus the #TundraRoulette expression, you don't know which one will fail. The F-150 is liked because it has a 36-gal fuel tank. You don't have to visit the gas station as often as with the others.
Titan pro4x 5.6 litre that's what I purchased drives nice
Have there been any recalls on the 2024 Tundra?
Lot of trims on trucks is there to extract the most money out of the customer. Trucks are now awfully expensive and useless. They barely fit in parking spaces and consumption is middling at best.
Appreciate your honest and candid opinions. I have always resisted being an early adopter of any car. Invariably, things come up with these very complicated machines. I feel confident that Toyota will make things right. I remain a fan of Toyota, I have owned a lot of other name plates as there are some other great cars out besides Toyota. Toyota is still one of the best for sure.
Toyota has a bigger problem on their hand than many realize. As a tundra owner and avid car enthusiast, every one knows people buy tundras for reliability absolutely better resale. They are more expensive than their competition with less tech and worse efficiency. Unless Toyota completely resolves this, they are going to pay the piper. Even a 100k warranty is pointless if it’s not resolved. I don’t want to pay $50k for a tundra and sell it for $5k in 8 years because the used market has no confidence in the drivetrain. Porsche did that with the 991.1 GT3 and the ones without the definitive solution trade for 40-50k less 10 years later.
Holding onto my 2019 1794 4x4 forever. I appreciate that it is suppose to be one of the most dependable trucks ever made. I'll put new parts on it if/when things fail. I look at dependability first as the most important thing with the way vehicles cost today. Who knows if the dust settles on Toyota and they do the right thing or if they and other manufactures realize they are asking too much for their trucks these days. If I was going to buy a truck today, it would certainly be a used 2018 to 2021 Tundra.
That’s why you need to change your break in oil at about 800 miles that way if there is any debris in there, you get it out as soon as possible and if you really want to get finicky do it at 400 miles, and open the oil filter and check to see if there’s any particles in there.
I saw a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser 70 at the Toyotafest in Long Beach, California a week ago. It has a turbo charged V8 diesel engine. That is what I want. Toyota is forced to jump through a regulatory gauntlet here in the USA to produce lower emissions vehicles. 2 Million Land Cruiser 70s would have no impact on climate.
I would love a 70 too (though the new one is a 4 cylinder, not the old V8). The main reason they can’t bring it here is due to crash safety. And American’s wouldn’t buy it, so from a business perspective it wouldn’t make sense for them. Americans like luxury, and the 70 is a tractor. I would love to have one, but we are the vast minority.
My first Toyota 07 5.7 still drive every day and just turned 650,000 not one major problem.
My 2022 1794 trd with 19,500 miles and have to wonder if it's going to stay together ?
Yeah you could say I'm a little pissed.
Yes, Toyota really put the screws to V35A-FTX engine owners because if they take good care of them and get them to last past the 60,000 mile powertrain warranty period and then they fail, these owners will need to spend $20,000 - $30,000 to get them replaced. Then on top of that, their trucks will depreciate fast in value because used car shoppers will know '22-'24 Tundras have short lived engines.
I have 2 24 Tundra's, a Limited & a Plat Hybrid, both with extended warranties after owning Sequoias & 5.7 Tundra's. . BUT as my F150 neighbor says "maybe people will pass on stealing them now" ....
How about the Titan is it reliable?
It's a surge issue causing wear and tear on the spun bearing, engineering flaw
David I think it goes back to what they had mentioned in one of your presentation in 2023. That issues will pop-up and that owners should consider that and with later iteration of the Tundra generation those recalls should be taken care of. I think time will tell once more detail comes out whether was a manufacturing process or design fault with the new engine.
Have any of the affected vehicles been repaired and back on the road?
when one comparison the bottom end girdle of the Tundra with aluminum and the bottom end of the for FORD 2.7 iron.
YOUR EYEs will tell you the bottom end of the Tundra is not stout with bracing while the FORD has iron and a ton of bracing
MY EYEs tell me Toyota got cheap and the stress of the turbo and crank and bearing is NOT STOUT enough and the bearing
Is failing from wobble…. I AM SURE YOU KNOW THIS and MY EYEs tell me the Tundra was UNDER ENGINEERED creating failure