Why I sold my Wicked Edge
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2021
- I made this video to share with other knife/EDC enthusiasts the reasons why the famous Wicked Edge Sharpening system did NOT live up to it's reputation.
The sharpener I chose that fixed all the issues I had with the Wicked Edge is the TSProf sharpener.
Link for the TSProf sharpener I purchased:
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You’re supposed to tighten the bottom screw second so it leverages the wedge and tightens more.
Exactly
You are correct, started sharpening on a lansky and it bites the same way. With that being said, the ts prof systems are far superior to WE in every way.
The instructions clearly say to first lightly tighten the top screw, followed by a more firm tightening of the bottom screw.
The moral of the story is don’t piss off your customers wicked edge. Good analysis and summary Streets Ahead.
I have the same propack wicked edge for $500. Never had and issues with it. If you actually learn how to use it, it’s amazing. Overpriced, yes. Unusable, no. It’s operator error, not a design issue.
Bs, it’s not user error, it’s the fact that they know the system has issues, but their solution is to sell you a bunch of expensive “adapters” instead of including them in the first place.
@@murumariesattigit9783 right, cause it’s free for the company to produce, so they should just add it for free cause it costs them nothing 🤦🏻♂️
@@mokuohaisaia8447 I agree with you. I’ve never understood that logic. Most good inventions don’t spring into being fully formed and perfect…product development and improvement has a cost. A lot of the problems with operating the WE are exaggerations - for example, I’ve never run a stone up over a knife then had it come crashing down on my blade; If someone’s doing that maybe they need a new hobby. Those that harp about the supposed failings of the WE should simply not use it, find something that suits them and sell the old one. I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of folks willing to buy it.
@@mokuohaisaia8447 lol, I would hope this isn't a serious reply. So if a company has issues it's not for them to fix the issue? You the customer should accept that they know there's a problem with their system and be willing to buy the "fix" for what is essentially a beta release product?
@@quaxenleaf I'm going to disagree, if you want to show that your company is a frontrunner in customer service and plan to be around for awhile, you're better to fix the problem admit your fault, fix it and eat the loss. See Toyota or Honda's response to any issues that have arose, they're the gold standard of manufacturing. Test your product to the best of your abilities, don't release beta versions to people and be willing to fix what you've done wrong. That's accountability. Without that any john, todd, or jim could start a company and release crap products with zero blowback on how bad they are.
I was frustrated too by the required workarounds for FFG blades. I had a lot invested in stones so I had an incentive to make it work. I upgraded to the Gen 3 and love it. Honestly when the knife is positioned correctly and secure, I don’t think there’s a better system anywhere that can do what it does. You do have to pay attention to the position of your stones and take care to protect the knife blade, pívot, etc. that you don’t want affected by diamond dust. This wasn’t a perfect system out of the gate, but the developmental iterations over the years have made it nearly perfect. I don’t worry about not being able to sharpen my smaller slip joints (just do them by hand), but it does a wonderful job on all my important knives (Norseman, shiros, CRKs, et al). Glad you found a system that works for you - it seems very interesting and flexible. Thanks for taking the time to do a very comprehensive demonstration. We all love our knives and want a system that we’re comfortable with. Thanks again!
Great review, I love all the accessories available with the WE system. Yes, it is a bit spendy... BUT it isn't for people sharpening the occasional EDC.
Nothing like reading the directions and tightening the top followed by the bottom screw.
You could've bought a KME sharpening system WITH THE BASE for around HALF the price you paid for that TSProf sharpener. And with the money left over, ya then could've bought quite a few of the accessories for the KME system, including their special attachment ( shallow angle jaws ) for tiny, thin blades, such as the blades found on small pen knives. ALSO: Instead of paying a lot of money for KME's "Kangaroo strop" and polishing tapes, you can buy balsa wood for dirt cheap, cut it to size to use with the KME sharpener, and use whatever compound ya want to get a true mirror edge. Check out all of the LONG TERM USE/OWNERSHIP videos ( from literally dozens of people ) about the KME sharpening system. These videos prove that the KME sharpening system is very high quality, easy to use, results are 2nd to none........and it's built to last.
The KME is okay when you sharpen once a month but when you sharpen on daily Basis the TSPROF is a lot better especially the K03
"Once a month"...........LOL. Keep dreaming. @@RazorSharpMuenchen
@@howabouthetruth2157 it's just a bit of thin metal, I think if you work with it for hours every day you'll quickly lose the fun or want something better/bigger. That doesn't mean the system is bad
Thanks for this eye-opener!
I sharpen my para 2 and similar flat grind knives with no issues. You have to utilize the second tightening screw on the bottom to make a wedge shape when locking the blade in place to get more contact on the blade rather than just using the top screw where it will only clamp on a tiny amount of surface area of the blade.
Yes the lansky system has a screw further back for getting the clamp to grip tapper grinds
Thanks, this video helped me to decide and go for a different platform.
Thank you I was really ready to spend $1500+ on a Wicked Edge but now I will spend my money on the TSPROF Kadet when it comes out. Great explanation of problems with the WE, you saved me $1000 I can spend on knives to sharpen. Much appreciated.
Glad you liked the video! I hope the TSPROF Kadet works great for you... I've loved my Blitz 360 so far, and I haven't found a knife yet that it won't sharpen
You won't regret it the Kadet is a top quality piece of kit well worth the money
@@simonbaptiste344
I am having a problem with mine being shipped, I have already paid for it and they were supposed to be shipping on the 15 of April. Now I can’t get any answers from them. At this point I’m thinking about getting my money back and buying a K03. I already bought the 6” stones for either one. What’s your opinion about on the K03?
@@vtxdaryl from what I've seen and that's more than a few reviews it is arguably one of the very best sharpeners available. As to your other problem I have heard of others having difficulty getting a response. I bought my Kadet on eBay from a seller in Belarus for what would be about 350 US as I live in the UK still a very good price. But yes if money's not an issue the KO3 is what I would have bought the precision and quality of it make it unbeatable for the price. Hope this is of some use.
I see where I watched this and commented that I was going to spend $1500 on a Wicked Edge but after watching your video I ended up buying the TSPROF KO3. I have collected Micron film that is extremely fine. It will put a mirrored edge on any knife. Glad I saw this two years ago and bought the best sharpening system I could find. Thanks
My son got me the WE pro same as yours and I havnt had any of these issues, I use the bottom screw for the final tightening and it works perfect for every knife I've done. Im a knife maker and sharpen knives alot and im super happy with mine. Good luck with your issues
TS prof cost fraction of the price and its simply much more versatile system cause i also had both.. +I get much higher quality stones for it also much cheaper.. There is nothing argue about really, its more advanced system but if you enjoy your WE than by all means😉
Will edge pro apex stones work with the tsprof?
I agree with you, and I have a wicked edge.
They charge for all the attachments you need which should be included especially for how much they charge.
Is this TSProf also good for larger knives? As in, kitchen knives, chef knives, outdoor fixed blade knives? I'm not looking to sharpen swords or anything, but like probably most people who use knives or carry them I have a variety that I'd like to be able to sharpen from small pocket folders to mid-size fixed blade outdoor type knives to kitchen knives (short paring to large chef - and a couple longer than 9" blades).
Yes, it's fairly trivial to sharpen 8"/20cm Chef knives with a K03. I would recommend the single spring clamp for folders and milled filet clamps for kitchen knives.
Excellent video. Thank you. 💯
Most people that need to sharpen knives, need to sharpen them bc they use them. I find it odd that you need to sharpen knives but you’re worried about scratching the blade…..not to mention the fact that you’re worried about scratching a blade on a 70 dollar knife.
Plus, factor in the clamp isn't wide enough to accommodate longer blades which will result in bending towards the ends and proprietary stones.
I think tsprof and hapstone are the top contenders here. Tsprof seems the best designed but accessories are expensive and there's the Russia thing with the war.
That sucks. After a lot of research, I went with the KME, I've been pretty happy with it.
How's it been? I think the one is the godfather of all guided sharpening.
thanks man i was just about to buy one im happy i seen this video !
Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have had a W.E. for years with the low angle adapter on a Pro-Pack II and the problem I have on my Microtech’s is the clamping area is so small it will not hold the blade firmly on the flat surface (especially low angles, on the hand/belt sharpened MT’s) resulting in a horrible blade play and uneven results. Buyer Beware!
His point is for that amount of money you shouldn't have to work anything out...............................
Thank You!!! I was thinking about getting me a wicked edge but so expensive and i do have d/e microtechs as well. Now I'm going with a Edge Pro Thank you.
My brother u have helped so many people , thank u
Glad I bought the TS Prof. Half the price (especially on Black Friday) and bought a 8 more quality stones and the center clamp. The high dollar proprietary WE Stones were too much for me to swallow. I have a Tormek 800 with all the bells and whistles but wanted something I could go out to the garage and not have to drag out and dump water into but just sit on the workbench and take 3 mins to touch up a kitchen knife for my wife.
Good video. Definitely going to 3d print my own setup after seeing this.
Great info
great video, thanks
I love my Edge Pro. It even handles my Paramilitary 110 (after market CHEAP diamond stones). Still, there is that I love it so much I look at other systems in hopes of even better.
The Wicked Edge caught my eye. However, information from too many sources and who repeated the same problems stopped me from the INITIAL investment.
They say, buy a good tool and you'll only cry once. If true, the Wicked Edge yet has far to go before being at the cry once place. That it needs me to spend far more than what the Edge Pro cost me to cover all my blades and is still limited keeps me at the stop mark. And there is that the, as of this writing, flagship version has issues too, so a cheaper version would be better for many of us.
Meanwhile, the Wicked Edge did inspire me to build my own sharpener. Fortunately, I have a lot of materials and equipment, so the rods (minus the ten dollar swivels), scrap aluminum for mounts, composite like you'd find on a science lab table, a lot of Plexi and jig tracks and knobs are making it possible.
The only thing mine has in common with the WE is, the rods and stones. Knives are held via the handles, instead of the blades. The blades rest on a removable/replaceable rod. Even at 10 or 12 degrees, the rod, under the blade, doesn't fight with the stones.
Stones are just more composite or hardwood with leather, glass and diamond plates mounted (drilled using a pen vice used for setting up turned pens). All dimensioned the same, to avoid complications.
Assuring the blade is 90 to the base is as simple as a light shined down the blade, producing shadows, the position of which can be changed by way of loosening the self centering vice (dowel jig or vice).
IF need be, the vice bed can be raised and the support pole changed to correspond with increased height.
Everything is tool less.
So far, so good.
[I really should have taken some geometry classes and such ;) ]
I have a pm2 and many full flat grind chef knives and it works great. A little shammy works great between the Jaws. Also don't forget to tighten the bottom screw after the top is tight.
I'm glad it works well for you! I just couldn't get all the knifes I have sharpened with it, and I decided to move into another system. But I know LOTS of people that use and enjoy the WE system. I just found that it wouldn't do everything I wanted to do, and I think if you're dropping a grand on a sharpening system, you should be 100% happy with it
Thank you for making this video. I think they have changed their design.
Hi Bro!
You made the best choice to replace Wicked Edge with TSprof. Why?
Because, both Wicked Edge and other many systems, such as Work Sharp Precision Adjust and others that are made of plastic or that contain plastic components or other fragile, elastic, flammable materials, are a mess and no matter what the manufacturers promise, they are just dust in the eye.
Because of the plastics, these systems are not stable, they are not fixed, they are not balanced, they buckle, they produce eccentric movements and vibrations, swing, they are flexible, which affects the sharpening angle, not visibly, but physically.
In addition, the plastic loses its proportions and properties, as it wears out quickly, grinds, the holes widen and become unstable, and for a perfect sharpening we need a perfect support in which the angle remains stable, fixed, stiff.
From absolutely all the systems I tried, being many in number, I can say that almost all of these which are better performing, only two are truly true systems with the best performances.
TSprof and Hapstone.
Both are built entirely of metal, with a very solid and resistant structure, high precision, both are very stable, very balanced, very well anchored, very well centered, very rigid, with a very well designed angle adjustment system, gear rail, magnetic, etc., and in addition to all this, both also offer the possibility of customization with a wide range of different clamps, which allows sharpening any knife, with any kind of blade starting from the razor blade to the axe.
They have a lot of accessories, such as stone holders, all very good, completely metal or aluminum, and Hapstone also have a very elegant and beautiful design especially at stone holders.
I was a little more detailed, for those who want to purchase a good and high-performance sharpening system, but it is difficult to decide which one, as there are many.
A good example is you, and your experience should be taken into account.
Be happy and enjoy your new system
I have the same setup that you did and have the same gripes that you do. The results on normal grinds are great but there are some major shortcomings
anyone who did their research before purchasing would be prepared to deal with the published measures to deal with technical issues, ie non-parallel sided knives, how to tighten both upper and lower screws on the jaws, or the inherent design, without 'stops'. No technical machine can compensate for the lack of attention of its user, regardless of how many dollars you spend. Million dollar sports cars will kill you within the first half hour of use, given your inattention. Send your knives out to be sharpened, and call a taxi rather than spend money for a perfect machine which will work for a person who doesn't do their homework. ALL of the issues you describe are dealt with extensively in the hundreds of available videos.
Sure, and yet for half the cost, the competing product solved all his issues straight out of the box without requiring the extensive homework.
It's important to set the correct width on the clamp before tightening the top screw & the jacking screw. The clamps should sit flat, with the jacking screw adjusted to the widest part of the blade. Then when you tighten the top screw, you should be able to tighten the bottom screw only maybe 1/2 to a full turn to get it secure so it won't move at all. It's all about getting the clamp the correct width so the "feet" of the clamp sit flat.
Before I knew this, I completely ruined my clamp by overtightening it WAY too much. I completely tore out the jacking screw part of the clamp.
Also, for FFG blades, some double sided tape works well too. Most of the time you won't be able to get the knife pointing completely straight upward, but for me I use a digital angle finder & Sharpie to offset my angle on either side. So if it's not pointing straight up & I want a 20°/side edge, I may have to set my angle to 22° on one side & 18° on the other, for example.
It definitely can be frustrating, especially with FFG blades, but there are workarounds.
The most important thing I've learned about the Wicked Edge though, that few people seem to talk about, is making sure the blade is pointing straight up, if possible. Once your angles read where you want them on each side, that doesn't mean Jack if you knife is leaning far to one side or the other.
I set my angle finder on the handle of the knife to give me an idea of how straight it is, ideally at 0° when the knife is clamped in.
Not sure if this will help anyone, but it certainly helped me. Maybe I'll make a UA-cam video explaining how I do everything, as it's probably not coming across well in this comment.
Edit:
ua-cam.com/video/aBRsrJrB-gw/v-deo.html
Here is the video that changed everything for me regarding the Wicked Edge, & saved me from ruining any more clamps. Without this video from Tom, I don't know where I'd be with my sharpening. Probably nowhere good, & certainly not with all the mirror edges I enjoy.
Ignore the first four minutes of this video, he doesn't know he's supposed to use the lower screw to apply secondary tension.
The flat grind problem could have been solved if the tighteners were at the bottom [of the entire clamp] and pushing the top together (instead of pulling the clamp tight). Hell, you could have both choices. The former would change the angle of the clamp by widening the bottom of the clamp, altering the angle at which the blade is held.
I wonder if they made the clamp open wider to be able to hold the smaller knives by the handles if that would fix the problem by exposing more blade out the front.
I'll take the robust nature of the wicked edge and diamond stones over the ability to go to angles that aren't very usable(for my use) and MANY tiny screws that beg to be stripped out.
But, I definitely see the allure! It sure does look like a fairly sweet setup.
Look at the ko3 if you are looking for "robust", excellent machining, not half the cost of the WE, about the same price but better built
Make more videos on this topic and i really recommend getting some Venev stones to it... It'll cut any steel at higher speed and the edge will be better.. thank you for this one sir🙏
I agree with most of your points. I have one too. For all the money and time you have to invest, I really don't see much of an advantage over my Japanese whetstones. I was hoping to save time (compared to whestones), but the WE doesn't really offer much in terms of time saving.
I totally agree...
I'm a knife maker and I got one to do sharpening on the side. If you're not an idiot its a badass system. When spending this much on a system you learn everything about it before making a review, fumbling shit all over.
@@matthewzyla2649 - So very true! My friend is one of the top Knife Sharpeners in North America. He says this is the best system ever made.
Tormek make an adapter that clamps the handle not the blade so gives you another option for smaller knives or hollow ground blades
You need to tighten both screws on that clamp, too first then the bottom. That knife won’t move at all
I got the wicked edge go and my knife won't go anywhere after clamping it down
FYI you will never find a UNIVERSAL clamp. Assuming that just because you paid 800 dollars means you're exempt from accommodating for your own blades is extremely foolish.
It's brilliant :)
Excellent video. Thanks, you answered every question I’ve been searching for regarding the 2 products.
I have a razor sharp system. Works great. Check it out
That thing is a nightmare. I'll stick with my KME. Thanks for the video!
Just learn to free hand and don't have to worry about the limitations of systems! Not to mention once you learn it will your edge quality will be better than systems and it's far more rewarding.
I just bought the wicked edge gen 3pro solved all my problems plus it's diamond edge stones they last longer. Thank you for your time nice video #harleybayo
Thanks for doing this video. All I can say, after watching, is I'll be sticking with my shop-made system.
He did even touch the bottom screw...
Did you notice that lower bolt? Try tightening it and maybe the clamp will work for you. If you read the instructions you would be a lot smarter.
yeah, I'm a little bewildered that he didn't tighten that down as that multiplies the force of the clamp so it doesn't move.
using worksharp system for my chef knives only issue i have its a bit slow for hardened steel .cant use 10 deg angle as it hits the jaws but apart from that does ok job
Flat grind AND a DISTAL TAPER on that Spyderco right?
couldn’t you take blade out and use the flats on the pivot area? i mean yeah you’d void your warranty but that’s how i’d roll
That’s my solution too for almost all of my knives. Love my WE. Take few screws out of the knife handle and there’s you blade. Then you get to clean it and tune it when your done.
I like my Edge Pro Apex 4. No clamps and you can sharpen any size of blade. $285.
For $50 and a Worksharp precision and some aftermarket paper I can do more then the wicked edge!😵what a piece almost bought one you just saved me an Ass load of money! Great video
Thanks! Glad you liked the video
I've had the same problems. Knives moving in the clamp. Limited knife sizes. The stones rubbing against the clamp instead of the knife without using a high angle. And to top it off, I couldn't get the knives as sharp as I wanted. Very disappointed. I bought a TSPROF.
I was about to purchase a WE100 but now after having watched your video, I decided to go for a Blitz pro unit instead. Lots of valuable information here thanks for that!
I just remove the blade on my FFG and it clamps on the flats perfectly, 90 to the base. Beautifully flat bevels!
excellent video.
thanks for the information.
Questions. I am looking to acquire a tool to sharpen my knives. mainly victorinox pocket knives. buschcraft knives. hunting and fishing knives and kitchen knives.
I hesitate between a tormek t8 or a tsprof k03 or a wicked edge ....
is it possible to have your opinion.
thank you
Personally I would recommend the TSProf.
Like I think I showed in the video, the WE just doesn't have the flexibility to be considered when you're sharpening wide range of knifes. Sure it's possible, but it's not as easy as it should be, considering it's the MOST EXPENSIVE of the sharpening systems.
The TSProf can accept tons of different stones. Edgepro, TSProf obviously, hapstone, KME, and I'm sure many others all fit in the TSProf. So that means you can get a huge range of stones and materials to get the finish and the edge you want.
I don't know anyone that has the Tormek for me to do a video of it, but for me personally it doesn't fill the sharpening void completely.
I do have a Worksharp KO Edition, and it has it's uses, but I don't like using it because it definitely makes a convex secondary bevel.
I think the Tormek would be more practical if you were into blacksmithing and making knifes.... But I would still want a TSprof for fine tuning and getting the fine angles I want.
I own a WE system and feel SOME of your pain, especially with smaller blades and full ground knives. I’ve found the 2X tape useful for full grinds though. One thing I noticed is that you didn’t use the lower JACKING bolt secure your knives though. Using that screw really cinches up the knife for a more consistent hold.
I tried two pieces of double sided tape defiantly worked well, but it still wasn't as secure as I wanted it to be..... But beyond that, my whole point about the system is; why should you have to put tape or anything else on your blade? It should work for common types of grinds. FFG knifes are super super common....
And I know the jack bolt does help some. I've been using the system for about a year and always adjust the jack bolt when I'm actually clamping a knife for use, but for some reason I didn't in the video.... But you are correct. The jack bolt does make a slight difference.
I honestly don't have the WE anymore, so I can't edit the video or make another one
Yea. I use one on ffg. YOU a have to tighten the bottom bolt.
I intentionally destroyed my wicked edge sharpening system because I was so fed up with that company's greedy ways.
(I could have sold it of course, but I didn't want to foster other people using their overpriced products).
My loving wife bought me an edge pro apex to replace it with, and I like it much better.
Thank you for sharing some of your valuable time with me.
All glory to the risen Lord Jesus Christ, and no glory to us whatsoever!
Me looking at my KME smiling because i never have to worry about any of those problems and because the accessories for scissors and broadheads and small blades/serrations dont cost a arm and a leg.
Seams the wicked edge is a chef knife sharpener
Your problem is that you are using an “up and down” stroke. On the Wicked Edge you actually use a stroke that begins near you and goes away from you down the length of the edge, with a bit of upward drift, if you will. You can use a “scrubbing” motion up and down, but that’s really just a short stroke, not for the whole stone to pass, and only for removing lots of material, like with your most course stone, just to get some “knicks” or bad kinks out of the blade.
Also, on those short blades, your edge angle should be higher, probably 21-26 degrees for utility knives. If you set those angles properly for the knives, the stones will clear the stand. 17-20 degrees is what you will find on most kitchen knives, and they are taller, so this is not an issue. One exception is a Filet knife, which needs a very shallow 14-17 degree edge, AND they are typically very short. I struggle with these. BUT, is do sharpen them just fine on my Gen 3, Wicked Edge by barely claiming them in the very tip of the sharpener. Works great!
Awesome sharpener for everything I sharpen.
I would probably never buy a guided knife sharpener with only one attachment point. No matter how well they could have made than clamp, it's only one clamp.
I also went with the TSProf. I feel like nothing will ever bend out of shape and it accepts a variety of stones.
I just got the kadet pro black. It's badass
Good video, but I'd keep your wicked edge and have both. I have both the wicked edge we130 and the tsprof kadet. Between the 2 of them I have yet to find a knife I cannot sharpen to a mirror edge. All told I spent 1100 on both of them together. They both have Diamond stones that came with them and I have had no need to buy more stones, nor upgrade the holding on the wicked edge. Truth be said I do like the tsprof better than the wicked edge, but they both get lots of use and both have a purpose. Keep them both and enjoy. Thanks for the video
Ive been saying since i bought and sold 3 months later my wicked edge in 2017. Regardless of price, even the nicer cam clamp, i think the kme is just a better sharpeniing system. I have a tsprof on the way, im gonna make content about it on my broom blades channel. But i seriously think it is one of my biggest purchase regrets ever in the knife hobby/industry.
I'm looking to replace my Edge Pro Apex... I like the TSProf and it looks like it will take the Edge Pro stones... then someone here suggested Tormek... I'm beyond undecided... Thank you for the video, the WE won't work for me! I've been EDC smaller knives the past coupe years. I didn't see anywhere anything about the WE limitation except for here.
Wish i seen this b4 you sold it! I have a WE and I still would have bought yours lol
Wicked edge is for kitchen knives. Right?
So I love the blitz but I ordered the kadet today instead... Figured it was nearly the same price and could handle kitchen knives so I went with it instead. Still think the blitz is cooler though
Dude, thighten the bottom screw on the we100
man I found so many issues with my we-130 over the time I had I, loved it at first, but not impressed now. sold and have a Hapstone v8/R2 way more blade compatibility and way lower angles and my thumbs are safe lol, can't believe they never fixed that.
Have you looked at The Worksharp Precision Adjust Knife Sharpener ? I got one for £55 and it sharpens my spyderco and benchmades ok. Take care, God bless one and all.
I feel your pain. I have the original WE100 and it can do a good job with certain knives that champ in ok. But the frustrations are real trying to get consistent angles and clamps. I also don't think it's worth the cost in the end.
Although having said all the above, my knives that clamp in nice are the ones that have a flat portion at the spine so the jaws grip some parallel steel. And those knives are easy to keep at a scary sharp mirror edge with little effort. I just emailed their customer service with some wear and tear issues and they are sending me free parts. I have to respect a USA made product where the company gives warranty support after almost 15 years.
i see your very good at opening and closing your blades
I also sold my Wicked Edge (Gen 3 Pro) and got a TSProf for the same reasons you had. It's true that you can "solve" or workaround the WE issues but why should I have to spend all that additional money after spending $1000+. Hope you're still having fun with your TSProf
It is why they called it Wicked because it is!
TSPROF wins here by a mile!
I never own the wicked edge, just the TSproof model 2, also very expensive, but I am super happy with it also.
Thank you for a nice geeky video. :-)
Thanks for the comment!
Really?? That was the dumbest video I've ever seen on YT. And that's saying alot.
@@robertcalkjr.8325 Some of us love dumb geeking video 😂😉
Great info, you just saved me a ton of money, thanks for sharing !
Couldnt agree more mate,vastly overpriced bit of kit
I mean, I feel bad that you spent that much money and are unhappy, but honestly, if you had just spent a little time researching the system on UA-cam or Google you wouldn’t have the buyer’s remorse or could have bought the model that better addresses the knives you wish to sharpen. Especially since the knives you are attempting to sharpen are pretty high end and expensive. Again, if you had spent a little time researching you could have got the set up that addressed your needs WITHOUT spending $1,000. I think you also missed the main feature of the Wicked Edge, of which the inventor Clay Allison was most focused on: the ease of which you can reproduce settings, which you should record, so next time you sharpen that same blade you don’t have to mess with adjustments again and can quickly get in and sharpen or touch up a blade you use regularly. I don’t see that same speed of use and ease of reproducing settings in the other sharpening system you showed in the video. I think the Wicked Edge system is better for knives that see regular use rather than what I call “safe queens”, expensive knives that are rarely if ever used. (For the Leatherman and small blades like that and say, a Swiss Army Knife, I like the Spyderco Sharpmaker. Under 5 minutes and you get a great working edge that’s easy to touch up).
Good to know your opinion of the WE system. First I'd like to say that the knifes I own are all used, none of them are safe queens. The fact that they're all used is the main reason I wanted a good sharpening system. Use and abuse means they need sharpened and maintained.
I disagree with you that the TSProf doesn't reproduce results as easily as the WE. I'm able to spend less time setting up and adjusting the TSprof then I had to with the WE for one simple reason, which I pointed out in the video: The knife moves in the WE clamp. I understand there are ways to get it to not move, but the TSProf clamp is literally foolproof. No techniques, no other materials needed, just put any knife in, clamp, and go. Set your angle, and sharpen.
The Spyderco Sharpmaker is great. I know a couple folks that have that sharpener and love it. But my point is that the TSProf can do all that stuff that the WE can't. I'm sorry, but 1000 on a sharpening system, you shouldn't need another sharpener to do the smaller knifes. I had a friends little keychain knife on my TSProf this morning, and it sharpened up well. So I'm able to use the sharpener that I invested money into, with good stones, and sharpen any of my knifes, instead of getting out a Sharpmaker to sharpen small knifes.
The comment about how I could have researched more. I researched a LOT. A lot of folks don't want to admit that the WE they invested money into doesn't do all their knifes.
I posted a question shortly after I got it about trouble sharpening full flat grind knifes on a large facebook group called "Edge Snobs", and I was seriously amazed at how many people responded that they had the same problem with the sharpener, and used some other sharpener for their FFG knifes. Either that or they purchased another product that clamps into the WE, and then that 3rd party item clamps the actual knife, and then you have to get the extended sharpening rods, etc.
So basically, I'm just pointing out that I think (just my opinion here), that the TSProf does more, for less, then the WE system. I'm not saying the WE is poorly made or a bad product, I'm just sharing my experience with it
First I bought the Lansky with 'natural' stones. Loved It!!! A year later, I got the Lansky DIAMOND set, plus the extra coarse AND extra fine diamond, AND the blue saphire (about 2000 grit!) along with the leather strop thingy.
I have VERY successfully sharpend all of my knives, all the way from a largish Bowie to my tiny key-ring Victorinox. I have not found a knife that can not be sharpened razor-sharp! NONE!
Now the smallish knives DO have the issue of the angle needing to be not-less-than a certain degree, but again, that is ONLY for really small blades, regarding the depth, not the length. Pretty much ANY so-called 'normal' pocket knife will not incur this limitation, and for the most part, it is that very shallow angle of 17 degrees, of which I rarely want to use anyhow. I am VERY happy with the 20 degree angle for the small blades.
Are you selling your wicked edge I’m interested if u are
I sold it already!
I’m in the market for a sharper… you said the price of $420 just as I was puffing on a J. It’s a sign…
Well I have so much to tell you, but in short your just wrong about a few points. Point one when sharpening full flat grind(Spyderco knives) you must place the knife bolster in the clamp not the blade itself. This area is usually flat. I like to put my Spyderco Manix 2 on the bolster where the blade steel is normally shown. CPMS30V M390 should be were you put it. Now with Microteach Knives they are made with a very high angle usually over 24 to 26 degrees. when placing them in the wicked edge if its a double edge version you must use something as a shim. I use soft leather. When you shim the knife and get the angle to the appropriate degree you will find that its rather easy to sharpen. There is one gripe I do have. That is that on heavy blades I have made a brace for the handle because of slippage. This only happens on the smaller systems or with very large blades.
I feel your pain, bro. I'm a WE Gen 3 Pro user and have had to work through similar issues. There are solutions for the other problems you describe, but they mostly involve spending more money on aftermarket parts. I also spend a lot of time masking blades to protect the finish. Yeah, you would need to buy the small knife adapter from Tormek to accommodate that Ultratech or other small knives. The low angle adapter is also a thing. I've had to build my own rear stabilizer for larger, flexible blades. In fact, there are more shortcomings than you listed. Personally, I've dumped the money into the WE universe to overcome them. Hit me up if you have any other WE products or accessories. I may take them off you. The TSprof appears to be an excellent system with many advantages. Just be mindful that you will want a full diamond progression for steels with more than 3% vanadium. Otherwise, you may not get full performance. Great video. Than you for attacking the Death Star.
Thanks for the comment! I’ve heard of the Tormek small knife adapter, and I know the low angle adapter is good, but I just felt like I was going to keep dumping money into it....
I got the silicon carbide stones for my TSProf, and then I have some diamond embedded (not diamond bonded like WE), and I’ve had good luck so far with VG10, S110, Maxamet, S90, S35, and 4V knifes....
again, thanks for the comment. I’m glad someone else agrees with me
@@streetsahead5088 Good stuff, bro. I'm glad you found a set up that works for you. That's what it's all about!
Any recommendations for after market parts? I found the plastic tormek adapter for thin blades to be too wobbly.
@@BB-he9qo That's tough. Have you tried the low angle adapter? What knife are you having trouble with?
@@stevendalton7686 Yup, I always use the low angle adapter to create a steep enough angle. Just making sure my spyderco knives: Manix 2, spydychef, PM2 are straight in clamp is annoying. I've used shamoo, double-sided tape works well. The Gen 3 clamp works to keep it straight with wedge, but I'm back to square 1 when I need to use the low angle adapter which is flat. I've even tried extreme methods like remove knife, and clamp flat base of knife in clamp.
It's amazing how ignorant the sky really is. He did not do his research... I'm gonna have to share this on reddit. And my Facebook knive group... this should give the guys some good laughs...
I have one and though it won't sharpen every knife out there if you learn how to use it it's very capable. You showed you don't have a clue. Good luck with whatever system you won't know how to use.
Unfortunately you’re incorrect, and as some other comments have pointed out, there are other videos describing the exact same issues I have, so either nobody knows how to use these, or there are some flaws in the design.
Hey maybe you’re right! All I know is that my TSProf that’s about half the cost, sharpens all the knifes I have, without purchasing any adapters or other accessories. So thats enough for me!
What are you a master sharpener?🤣🤣🤣what a negative thing to say,you sound like one of those people who is a great driver just because you sat in a car once
@@streetsahead5088 Wicked Edge support was useless to me when I started running into these issues. The user manual is useless. However, after using my noggin I figured out how to perfectly Sharpen all my non-recurve knives. I’m pretty sure I could figure out a way to utilize my WE system to work with those as well. I haven’t had the occasion to need it for that though.
Nice one, I Never bought into the WE thankfully. TSprof rocks tho!
You also tighten with the screw beneath the one you first tighten your blade with. That one give all the torque you need
I'm aware of the lower screw to adjust the angle of the jaws. It still moves after adjusting it. According to the wicked edge web site, even after you've adjusted the lower screw, you still need double sided tape, or some other material between the jaw and the blade, on any FFG knife.
The 3rd gen jaw is supposed to solve this issue, and it does mainly solve it.
@@streetsahead5088 Yes agree. I put som tape or similar on the front of the wise when dealing with the PM2 'S due to the distal taper (Gen 2 WE wise).
You're not even tightening the bottom screw of course the knife will be loose lol
this guys an idiot...he even touches the bottom screw
Tighten the bottom bolt after tightening the top to actually get it tight!!! I don't understand how you haven't figured that out, it's in the directions!
Your supposed to zero your angle cube on a level surface
Professional sharpener here, chiming in with my two cents. I am mainly a belt grinder and flat hone guy, and I have never used the wicked Edge system. But, it seems way overpriced for what it is.
I agree with you. I think it looks like a decent system but by the time you get everything you need your in for over 1K. I just ordered everything I need for the blitz 360 for 1/2 that.
This looked really gimmicky when I was searching for a quality knife sharpener. I purchased a K03 and love it.
There are many idiots on YT. Try to find one that can read instructions.