JARED! PLEASE can you do a video or any tips on these fixed angle sharpeners and why when I sharpen curved edge blades my tips always have a double edge. Even if I match the factory edge the tip seems to never match. Is this normal with using these sharpeners? Any tips? I was using the worksharp and now using this model and my first knife Protech sbr and the same problem. It really is visible when you get to a polish edge. The factory grind lines stands out. Thanks bro
@@bamabladez thats normal, your edge bevel gets bigger because the edge gets thicker, in thicker areas your bevel will be larger. if you think its to big then just raise your angle the next time, also make sure you are acuratly getting the actual angle of the bevel not that its a big deal but you might be thinking your matching perfectily but really its lower than it needs to be. regardless its a normal thing i wouldnt worry about it unless its ridiculous, im going live at 730 central tonight if you wanna talk about it
I recently saw this video, and decided to buy the TSPROF Pioneer. Since I'm not a real DIY'er I saved your video for the assembly and it went great! (although the directions were in both Russian and English!) I will be using the system with my Venev Orion stones.
This is a very nice system more lightweight than the original version and smaller jaws but you gotta love it. I definitely think it’s worth the money. I have a KME and that was best part of £490 or it might of been a little bit more I got £515 in my head. That’s the joy of paying our Uk VAT on anything that we get in from overseas. So I can definitely see this one being a good investment for the people that can’t be arsed to learn the freehand skills of sharpening. You two have a beautiful day and stay safe and healthy J&K 🫵🏻😘👍🏼
I bought the original WorkSharp with different stones. One problem with the WorkSharp is you can’t verify the angle you are sharpening at, there might be a way but I don’t know it. The original stone system is pathetic and really limits your sharpening ability until you buy after market system.
The TS Prof diamond stones, while not being the highest quality stones, are only $80 a set. I sharpen between 30 and 50 knives a week of various steels and I made two sets of the TS Prof stones last for about 9 months. I did add in a Jende 120 diamond plate for the heavy work when I started on my second set. I sharpen very few "super steel" blades and for those I use Shapton Glass.... So now I use a set of Atomas and at $240 are worth every single penny. One thing to be aware of with the TS Prof units are the knurled screws. If you use them a lot they need to be lubed. Aluminum on aluminum may "gall". I replaced all of mine on the K03 with stainless, having learned the hard way about galling.
@@JesseL714 It is both Jesse. Started on account of the review Neeves did on the K03 titled "Nasa Quality...." or some such. Bought the K03 after watching every review ever made and produced a perfect apex, (for the first time in my life), out of the box. Never looked back. Now everyone in my town wants the edge I provide.
... Society is counting on you. 🤙 KME has been pretty rock solid for me so far. I got the base and the penknife clamp. Provides very consistent edge for all my folders and comperably sized fixed blades. Maybe if I need to upgrade someday I'll look at tsprof. No doubt they're well built. I like how the rod rests when not being used and the rotation system for the blade. Thanks for the demo.
Looking forward to seeing more content on this one (pioneer) just got mine in the mail today and thought id watch some assembly videos before putting it together. Purchased it from your previous TSPROF video (hope the link worked when I bought it) thanks again this was awesome and now can’t wait to sharpen all my knives again as I give my KME to a buddy of mine 😅 hava awesome weekend 😎👊keep on keepn on brother✊ ML&R
Afternoon - Im still learning w/ my KO-3 and the included abrasive stones. I was able to put the "Mirror" edge on my EDC Delica after the usual progression with a 3 micron diamond lapping film. It sure came out pretty, and every time I use it I'm admiring that beautiful edge! Thanks for these tutorials, they've been a big help, and always entertaining...
Excellent review! I bought the Worsharp Professional Precision Adjust right before this was released. Thanks for the comparison between the two, although im honestly not sure which one i would have went with if compating the two when purchasing.
Jason is so pro at this it sounds like a heart beat! 😂 So we want a 600 to sharpen and 1200 to refine. Got it. I was wondering more so how you chose grits. Ill try it out with just those 2. Glad you made this video. Thanks! 🔪
im thinkin the hapstone for 200 bucks with the tsprof stone kit for 80 bucks might be my cheap way out with what appears to be a better clamping system
They also sell a large metal base for this system, but it's €80. So I would just buy a heavy wood cutting board drill some holes in it and put in some threaded barrels and some butterfly screws, so it could be removed easily. I read that these knife jaws only work up to 4-5mm thick blades and 40mm wide blades. Hopefully, they will make/or their other knife clamps are compatible. So people could sharpen larger fixed blades that often have a 6mm blade stock. But I will reach out to TsProf to see if they are compatible. Cause this seems like a very nice system, but if it can't sharpen my larger fixed blades I have to go with another one.
Jerad I’ve always wanted a TSPROF but got confused by all the models. What’s the next one up from the Pioneer and is it just heavier? And worth the price? My sole concern with this system is the cost of the aftermarket stones you mention that I would want to get. I like that this is metal as well. I do think TSPROF would sell a lot more of their systems if they had a guide to models, features and costs so you could compare and contrast. By the way for securing tools like this I have an Inline Fabrication bench mounting setup for reloading presses, vises and other bench tools, and for about $25 you can have a solid steel custom plate made for this that will lock it into an existing Inline Fab bench plate either front to back or side to side, depending on your specifications. If it will completely lock in a cast iron press that weighs 40 lbs it will lock this in, and I have 6-8 of their mounting plates and bench docking plates that work very well. I already have a small electronic angle gauge for a table saw, so am set there. I’m really glad I waited on the WorkSharp and saw this vid, thanks! 👍
can you please review the Wicked Edge sharpening system? It is the only sharpener Ive seen that is parallax-free, meaning that the angle of the stone relative to the knife does not change with the movement of the stone. Wicked Edge achieves this result by making the stone slide along the rod instead of making the rod move in and out of a support point.
The work sharp systems also move on a rod, I will try and get one on however I'm not sure I would recommend it over something like this, I'm pretty sure with that system you are limited to there stones I could be wrong. But for the entire setup it's very expensive after you get all the parts I thought they were close to a 1k$
I have the Blitz 360 Pro, the Kadet Pro and the Pioneer.. I really like the Blitz but the other two work just as well. I sort of disagree with you about the TSPROF stones.. but then again.. I have the Veneve and the Atomas, and even some bargin basement stones that a well meaning friend bought for me off some Chinese Web site that work just as well or better. But oddly enough I supported the Hapstone RS project on kickstarter and I am enjoying that one also. I am done with buying sharpeners.. time to make use of them and buying.. MORE knives.. LOL
So I've been through 3 full packs of them for one Atoma. So they definitely wear out fast especially if you are doing alot of edges on super steels or thick grinds.
out of the sharpeners which would you recommend? i have a work sharp system but it just can’t handle all the really big knives i carry have been checking out the hapstone and the tsprof systems which do you think is a better value?
i remember when their best sharpener was about 300 to 400. I outright refuse to support them now, when they that same model from back then is over 4 to 5 x that now
Hi, I hope you catch this comment. I have pulled the trigger and got a pioneer, which should come before Christmas. I got a few kitchen knives that seem to be straight forward to sharpen, but one knife I have, a lionsteel M1 has a recommended Flat- Secondary v Edge sharpening scenario. Had a quick google and feel that I am way out of my depth for my first go. Any words of wisdom would be greatful.
The fixed blade? No need to think to much about it just sharpen it like anything else, if you want a tough edge just do higher angles, if you want it slicier then do a bit lower edge angle. Congrats on the awesome system and welcome to an amazing RABBIT Hole of Sharpening.
Great review on this new system. I wonder if it will taking the place of the blitz. Reason why so many clamps for cadet is because they designed it to accept all clamps from the k03. But overall typical great review. Keep up thr great work!! Best, Jc Btw....gritomatic does have the universal stone holder for the professional adjust, thusly it's a wash .
That is why I mentioned the stone holder, I wouldn't say a wash though, you have plastic and metal vs all metal, the build and stability is definitely better. Both are great though and the ws is 250
The website showcases this Pioneer, an “OG Kadet” and the Pro at $800. The main differences between the Kadet and this is it will take up to 7mm thick blades (.276) vs. 5 mm / .200 for the Pioneer, and it has a heavier base. For that it’s $193 more. I do have a lot of larger knives, and kitchen knives, so might save another couple months and just go with the Kadet, but I need to read up more about both systems. Can’t justify the $ for the pro, and I already have a digital angle finder the pro comes with, which is way overpriced at $130. The Blitz is evidently just as compact as this one, if not smaller I don’t know, and they still list it but it only handles up to 4.5mm thick (.18) blades. I’ll bet you’re right and the Pioneer will phase it out.
@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo the pro is great because of the geared adjust on the angle and the clamp options, however this system would work just fine for the majority of people. The 360 is great but I do recommend this probably a bit more honestly
@NeevesKnives as far as build quality hands down, nothing remotely comes close to tsprof.....I have 4 of their systems. I was refering to overall capability, similar to what you said when you reviewed. Another plus for the ws is its slightly more portable and comes with a usable angle guage....lol Keep up thr great reviews
@@NeevesKnives honestly I would probably pay that much for a Magnacut TS Prof lol. From day 1 I have been on the MC train (and I don't mean Metal Complex) 😆 In the words of the venerable Will Ferrell "MORE MAGNACUT!"
@@jimgardnerpaI watched Cedric&Ada Gear and Outdoors review of this piece last night and he got a TRC Apocalypse in Elmax in it which he said was just over a quarter inch thick and at the thickest part it just about hit its limit. Then again that might just be because of the screws length in the jaws not the actual jaws themselves. Hope that helps you brother. I’m sure Jerad will give you a exact measurement though 🫵🏻👍🏼
@@NeevesKnives now you can’t argue with that and I told him you would come through. I wonder if he will have the time to say thank you for the information 🤔 he looks like he will but if you don’t mind @jimgardnerpa i will send my ferrets on a search and bite you on the butt mission hahahaha .
Its not necessarily the bonding that makes it ware out faster but the quality of the diamonds. If they use natural diamonds it won't last, man made diamonds (which there are lots of different types)are best for knife sharpening.
@@NeevesKnives wow, I do prefer my venev stones. I have done quite a few of my knives with them and haven't even had to flatten them yet, they seem so durable and strong.
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Thanks! I was reading the descriptions on Amazon and confusing myself…
JARED! PLEASE can you do a video or any tips on these fixed angle sharpeners and why when I sharpen curved edge blades my tips always have a double edge. Even if I match the factory edge the tip seems to never match. Is this normal with using these sharpeners? Any tips? I was using the worksharp and now using this model and my first knife Protech sbr and the same problem. It really is visible when you get to a polish edge. The factory grind lines stands out. Thanks bro
@@bamabladez thats normal, your edge bevel gets bigger because the edge gets thicker, in thicker areas your bevel will be larger. if you think its to big then just raise your angle the next time, also make sure you are acuratly getting the actual angle of the bevel not that its a big deal but you might be thinking your matching perfectily but really its lower than it needs to be. regardless its a normal thing i wouldnt worry about it unless its ridiculous, im going live at 730 central tonight if you wanna talk about it
I recently saw this video, and decided to buy the TSPROF Pioneer. Since I'm not a real DIY'er I saved your video for the assembly and it went great! (although the directions were in both Russian and English!) I will be using the system with my Venev Orion stones.
This is a very nice system more lightweight than the original version and smaller jaws but you gotta love it. I definitely think it’s worth the money. I have a KME and that was best part of £490 or it might of been a little bit more I got £515 in my head. That’s the joy of paying our Uk VAT on anything that we get in from overseas. So I can definitely see this one being a good investment for the people that can’t be arsed to learn the freehand skills of sharpening. You two have a beautiful day and stay safe and healthy J&K 🫵🏻😘👍🏼
Cant believe anyone would buy a worksharp for the same price.
I bought the original WorkSharp with different stones. One problem with the WorkSharp is you can’t verify the angle you are sharpening at, there might be a way but I don’t know it. The original stone system is pathetic and really limits your sharpening ability until you buy after market system.
The TS Prof diamond stones, while not being the highest quality stones, are only $80 a set. I sharpen between 30 and 50 knives a week of various steels and I made two sets of the TS Prof stones last for about 9 months. I did add in a Jende 120 diamond plate for the heavy work when I started on my second set. I sharpen very few "super steel" blades and for those I use Shapton Glass.... So now I use a set of Atomas and at $240 are worth every single penny. One thing to be aware of with the TS Prof units are the knurled screws. If you use them a lot they need to be lubed. Aluminum on aluminum may "gall". I replaced all of mine on the K03 with stainless, having learned the hard way about galling.
30-50 knives a week!? Dang bro, is that how you make a living? Or just love it?
@@JesseL714 It is both Jesse. Started on account of the review Neeves did on the K03 titled "Nasa Quality...." or some such. Bought the K03 after watching every review ever made and produced a perfect apex, (for the first time in my life), out of the box. Never looked back. Now everyone in my town wants the edge I provide.
@user-rf7kc4ev6t That's awesome! 👌 I sharpen for friends and co-workers, not on your level, though! Rock on!
The Pioneer fits the factory base from the other systems. I have now purchased the midline single clamp for smaller blades(not received yet).
Civivi got the :::t. J…ya and Kara are a great team. I very glad I stumbled upon y’all. Sara screams hi..N sends love. Cheers.
... Society is counting on you. 🤙
KME has been pretty rock solid for me so far. I got the base and the penknife clamp. Provides very consistent edge for all my folders and comperably sized fixed blades.
Maybe if I need to upgrade someday I'll look at tsprof. No doubt they're well built. I like how the rod rests when not being used and the rotation system for the blade. Thanks for the demo.
Looking forward to seeing more content on this one (pioneer) just got mine in the mail today and thought id watch some assembly videos before putting it together. Purchased it from your previous TSPROF video (hope the link worked when I bought it) thanks again this was awesome and now can’t wait to sharpen all my knives again as I give my KME to a buddy of mine 😅 hava awesome weekend 😎👊keep on keepn on brother✊ ML&R
I got mine on Black Friday for $300 with the 5 Diamond Stones included. I love it. Just wish i had more knives to sharpen now.
Afternoon -
Im still learning w/ my KO-3 and the included abrasive stones.
I was able to put the "Mirror" edge on my EDC Delica after the usual progression with a 3 micron diamond lapping film. It sure came out pretty, and every time I use it I'm admiring that beautiful edge!
Thanks for these tutorials, they've been a big help, and always entertaining...
Excellent review! I bought the Worsharp Professional Precision Adjust right before this was released.
Thanks for the comparison between the two, although im honestly not sure which one i would have went with if compating the two when purchasing.
Thank you for teaching us. Looks like this is the sharpener to get.
They have so many products that its kind of confusing. Thanks for giving us the skinny on this one. Look forward to follow-up videos.
Jason is so pro at this it sounds like a heart beat! 😂 So we want a 600 to sharpen and 1200 to refine. Got it. I was wondering more so how you chose grits. Ill try it out with just those 2. Glad you made this video. Thanks! 🔪
Keeps giving me a notification of your replies but when i click on the alert, there's nothing there. Don't know what i am doing wrong.
You can buy the heavy base separately (weighs about 7 lbs!). Fits perfectly and bolts together
Good review!
Very useful stuff Jerad
How does it compare to the Hapstone system?
Hey Jerad , You should have shown how to do stone compensation for this system, I’m sure the only way is though the digital angle cube
im thinkin the hapstone for 200 bucks with the tsprof stone kit for 80 bucks might be my cheap way out with what appears to be a better clamping system
Nice demo qnd review
Whoa, thanks for clearing that up! I thought if this had venev, tsprof would be losing money😅
Nice. So glad the pictures weren’t in Russian 😂
So conflicted between this and the worksharp precision adjust pro. One day I'll decide and commit!
Go for the professional if your going with WS, otherwise or TSProf or kme
They also sell a large metal base for this system, but it's €80. So I would just buy a heavy wood cutting board drill some holes in it and put in some threaded barrels and some butterfly screws, so it could be removed easily. I read that these knife jaws only work up to 4-5mm thick blades and 40mm wide blades. Hopefully, they will make/or their other knife clamps are compatible. So people could sharpen larger fixed blades that often have a 6mm blade stock. But I will reach out to TsProf to see if they are compatible. Cause this seems like a very nice system, but if it can't sharpen my larger fixed blades I have to go with another one.
This is possibly my new sharpener.
If so I think you will love it
Jerad I’ve always wanted a TSPROF but got confused by all the models. What’s the next one up from the Pioneer and is it just heavier? And worth the price? My sole concern with this system is the cost of the aftermarket stones you mention that I would want to get. I like that this is metal as well. I do think TSPROF would sell a lot more of their systems if they had a guide to models, features and costs so you could compare and contrast.
By the way for securing tools like this I have an Inline Fabrication bench mounting setup for reloading presses, vises and other bench tools, and for about $25 you can have a solid steel custom plate made for this that will lock it into an existing Inline Fab bench plate either front to back or side to side, depending on your specifications. If it will completely lock in a cast iron press that weighs 40 lbs it will lock this in, and I have 6-8 of their mounting plates and bench docking plates that work very well.
I already have a small electronic angle gauge for a table saw, so am set there.
I’m really glad I waited on the WorkSharp and saw this vid, thanks! 👍
The k03/k03pro, kadet/kadet pro, and pioneer all share the same clamps
Do you think this sharpener can do a 10” knife?
Cool video thanks.
Have you reviewed the Hapstone R2 Black Edition ?
Can you compare this to the Hapstone RS?
I 2nd this motion!
What system come with better stone out of the box? KME or TS?
I wish that this would have came out a few months ago because I bought the worksharp P A Pro and I would much rather have this one.
Yeah that's how it goes, did you get the stone holder attachment?
@@NeevesKnives yeah I got a really nice aluminum one from the link in your videos.
Yea bro that’s the same price with the pro precision adjust ! I’d rather that! That I think is a better deal!
Doesn't a finer "saw tooth" result in a finer cutting, ie. a sharper, blade though (a lower BESS score)?
can you please review the Wicked Edge sharpening system? It is the only sharpener Ive seen that is parallax-free, meaning that the angle of the stone relative to the knife does not change with the movement of the stone. Wicked Edge achieves this result by making the stone slide along the rod instead of making the rod move in and out of a support point.
The work sharp systems also move on a rod, I will try and get one on however I'm not sure I would recommend it over something like this, I'm pretty sure with that system you are limited to there stones I could be wrong. But for the entire setup it's very expensive after you get all the parts I thought they were close to a 1k$
Could you sharpen a Microtech utx70 with this system ? Or is that knife going to be too small ???
I have the Blitz 360 Pro, the Kadet Pro and the Pioneer.. I really like the Blitz but the other two work just as well. I sort of disagree with you about the TSPROF stones.. but then again.. I have the Veneve and the Atomas, and even some bargin basement stones that a well meaning friend bought for me off some Chinese Web site that work just as well or better. But oddly enough I supported the Hapstone RS project on kickstarter and I am enjoying that one also.
I am done with buying sharpeners.. time to make use of them and buying.. MORE knives.. LOL
So I've been through 3 full packs of them for one Atoma. So they definitely wear out fast especially if you are doing alot of edges on super steels or thick grinds.
out of the sharpeners which would you recommend? i have a work sharp system but it just can’t handle all the really big knives i carry have been checking out the hapstone and the tsprof systems which do you think is a better value?
@logancashion2797 as far as right now the Ts prof kadet pro, or K03 would be the best
i remember when their best sharpener was about 300 to 400.
I outright refuse to support them now, when they that same model from back then is over 4 to 5 x that now
Hi, I hope you catch this comment. I have pulled the trigger and got a pioneer, which should come before Christmas. I got a few kitchen knives that seem to be straight forward to sharpen, but one knife I have, a lionsteel M1 has a recommended Flat- Secondary v Edge sharpening scenario. Had a quick google and feel that I am way out of my depth for my first go. Any words of wisdom would be greatful.
The fixed blade? No need to think to much about it just sharpen it like anything else, if you want a tough edge just do higher angles, if you want it slicier then do a bit lower edge angle. Congrats on the awesome system and welcome to an amazing RABBIT Hole of Sharpening.
@@NeevesKnives Thanks for the reply buddy.
Already looking at a set of Hapstone premium cbn stones.
Keep up the great work with the channel.
Anyone else was counting toes ?
Great review on this new system. I wonder if it will taking the place of the blitz. Reason why so many clamps for cadet is because they designed it to accept all clamps from the k03.
But overall typical great review.
Keep up thr great work!!
Best,
Jc
Btw....gritomatic does have the universal stone holder for the professional adjust, thusly it's a wash .
That is why I mentioned the stone holder, I wouldn't say a wash though, you have plastic and metal vs all metal, the build and stability is definitely better. Both are great though and the ws is 250
The website showcases this Pioneer, an “OG Kadet” and the Pro at $800. The main differences between the Kadet and this is it will take up to 7mm thick blades (.276) vs. 5 mm / .200 for the Pioneer, and it has a heavier base. For that it’s $193 more.
I do have a lot of larger knives, and kitchen knives, so might save another couple months and just go with the Kadet, but I need to read up more about both systems. Can’t justify the $ for the pro, and I already have a digital angle finder the pro comes with, which is way overpriced at $130.
The Blitz is evidently just as compact as this one, if not smaller I don’t know, and they still list it but it only handles up to 4.5mm thick (.18) blades. I’ll bet you’re right and the Pioneer will phase it out.
@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo the pro is great because of the geared adjust on the angle and the clamp options, however this system would work just fine for the majority of people. The 360 is great but I do recommend this probably a bit more honestly
@NeevesKnives as far as build quality hands down, nothing remotely comes close to tsprof.....I have 4 of their systems. I was refering to overall capability, similar to what you said when you reviewed. Another plus for the ws is its slightly more portable and comes with a usable angle guage....lol
Keep up thr great reviews
@@fldiverjc4496 agreed
Pt 2. Sara screams…” I see Kara’s feet.” Lol
I want a TS Prof that is made of only Magnacut metal 😂
Your in luck I've got one for the low low price of Only 999.00 but if you act now I will throw in a used diaper
@@NeevesKnives😂😂
@@NeevesKnives honestly I would probably pay that much for a Magnacut TS Prof lol. From day 1 I have been on the MC train (and I don't mean Metal Complex) 😆 In the words of the venerable Will Ferrell "MORE MAGNACUT!"
Would you be willing to spend extra to get the Tsprof Pioneer over the cheaper, hapstone rs?
Great review
What is the maximum thickness of knife spine will this do? My BK2 does not work well at all in my ELITE
Will the jaws open more than .250"?
@@jimgardnerpaI watched Cedric&Ada Gear and Outdoors review of this piece last night and he got a TRC Apocalypse in Elmax in it which he said was just over a quarter inch thick and at the thickest part it just about hit its limit. Then again that might just be because of the screws length in the jaws not the actual jaws themselves. Hope that helps you brother. I’m sure Jerad will give you a exact measurement though 🫵🏻👍🏼
All the measurements are linked in the description. But 5mm or 200 thou
@@NeevesKnives now you can’t argue with that and I told him you would come through. I wonder if he will have the time to say thank you for the information 🤔 he looks like he will but if you don’t mind @jimgardnerpa i will send my ferrets on a search and bite you on the butt mission hahahaha .
Not gonna read the directions? 😂 They're right there u know..😂 u wanna check um out.. meanwhile he is steady figuring it out.. JROD real man!! Lol
Its not necessarily the bonding that makes it ware out faster but the quality of the diamonds. If they use natural diamonds it won't last, man made diamonds (which there are lots of different types)are best for knife sharpening.
Um...... I learned that most affordable does not mean it is affordable 😂
I dunno, the s-toe-nes don't look like they'd wear out that fast.
I've been through many packs of them they do, 1 atoma lasts longer than an entire pack
@@NeevesKnives wow, I do prefer my venev stones. I have done quite a few of my knives with them and haven't even had to flatten them yet, they seem so durable and strong.
You sure it actually came with extra screws?😂
Nothing about that is affordable.
Bang great vid bro I glad still a member 👍 wasn't sure if w was still lol😅