I just bought a Tormek double rotary wet grindstone machine with rotary leather stropper from Sweden. The machine comes with a lot of different angle jigs for knifes axes and chisels. In addition, I bought an extra 4000 grit rotating Japanese polishing whet stone for this machine. All of this was a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Wicked Edge Gen 3 pro pack. The Wicked edge is just a small sharpening jig for the table. And it is just an insane rip-off all together, compared to the more professional machine with all those accessories from Sweden. The price of Wicked Edge products is complete madness.
That sharpening system is awesome and while the price is a bit steep, you get what you pay for! I have used many different systems in the past, and after watching your video I am confident, this system is the best I have seen. I will be purchasing one! Thank you for the excellent video.
The more professional Tormek swedish rotating whetstone machine with rotating leatherstropper is less than half the price of the Wicked Edge III pro pack. And it can do the job in a fraction of the time and effort.
@@RoarIsaksen1959 There are wet rotating grinding machines that are %10 the cost of this wicked edge contraption that blow It away in any which way possible. The Tormek machine duplicates are as low as $200.
Great review. Personally, I no longer use the WE system, it's just too slow. I'm strictly sharpening with the 2x72 with my new sharpening attachment. Stay tuned, I'll have a video of it next month. Maybe I'll send you one. 😉
Really enjoy your videos! Nice job. You totally freaked me out for a second. I have whiskers that don't quite make the ZZ Top cut, but get close. It would take a lot to convince me to shave it. Ya done good, real good. 😂
Great through video from someone who knows their way around a knife, being a knife maker, and knife sharping. Very good content and video quality. Would be interested on more in depth process od using lapping films.
Very nice video. Over the years ive acquired a few systems and a handful of hand stones of different types chasing my preffered way of sharpening. Normally i hand sharpen with a dmt fine plate or spyderco ceramic bench stone then strop. Over time my technique shows its imperfections and the secondary gets all buggered so ill use my kme for small slipjoints and stuff or the wicked edge go deluxe for everything else to properly reset the edge. I started with a lansky, used belts, water stones, oil stones, ken onion sharpener and what i mentioned above seems to work the best for me. I'd love the pro system or one of the others but for how much my WE go gets used I couldnt justify the cost for personal use. Diamond and ceramic bench stones plus a strop for a quick touch up once you get the hang of it is so much faster in my opinion.
Great review...thanks. I own the WE130 and the biggest upgrade, to prevent scratching the blade on tall knives, is a set of clamping two-piece shaft collars from McMaster-Carr. With them on the guide rods, you can prevent the sharpening stone from dropping below the edge of the blade and causing scratches from contacting the face of the blade.
What’s up Red, good video. Was awesome to see the Siren make a cameo in there! I enjoyed seeing the before and after stropping bit too. One thing that would be cool to test is the difference between stropping and micro beveling. I’m a huge fan of using microbevels. I feel like it always gives me the maximum level of sharpness with the least amount of work and the least steel removal. I also believe that it provides a longer lasting edge than stropping but I’ve never rigorously tested that. What would be interesting to me is to take two equally sharp knives that tested at very similar levels (say 200) and then strop one and VERY lightly micro bevel the other, maybe with a 1200 or 2000 stone. I personally believe the microbevel would be more agressive and last longer but it would be interesting to compare the final sharpness between the two techniques. Anyway, just my ramblings. Thanks for the video!
Ive been using wicked edge for about 4 years now and nothing has came out that beats it my opinion the mirror finish you can get with those lapping films are excellent better then any others system ive seen and i have lapping films and also strops and you can get kangaroo leather with diamond. 10 micron spray to make it just stupid sharp good review the stones work better as they break in and yeah its not cheap but its quality sharpener that will lasts for years
I think this might come in handy, but honestly, I think I’ll stick with my Spyderco stones. The medium is awesome for everyday use, and the other two are great for kitchen knives. I love the hell out of those stones, put a nice edge on everything
I've been looking at one of these but damn they are so expensive. I use my 1×30 and they turn out sharp enough to cut paper and hair. Im sure it's nowhere as sharp as you can get it on that system 👍 great video
I feel you sir! The good news is that they do make a budget model that will achieve very similar if not just as good results... just a little less user friendly (more timing consuming). I totally get it though.
Don’t use WE because it’s not only harder to use than most systems, the big elephant in the room is their use of their own stones, and not the more standardized 6” stones. TSPROF K03 or Kadet Pro can reach much better results with more stone options, and ability to run more clamp types, and better built quality with use of 7075-T6. I got a Kadet Pro for $368 new on Black Friday, came with 5 Diamond stones. It’s much easier to setup, adjust angles, and has stone thickness compensator which allow you to quickly change stones from different makers. There’s no going back for me, I’ve already reached higher results on the Bess with the same para 3 rex45.
I own the Gen 3 Pro. I've had some problems with it with small (e.g. paring) knives. Even on larger knives, In my hands it's not quite as easy to get a good result as is shown on many UA-cam videos. I realize that may be "on me".
I would get a we system but thats a relaly high price i like the angle adjustable rods and the stone grits but i need something hopefully cheaper that does that sharp of bevels for my knives i carry or use
Well it depends on if it's a knife I'm making or if it's one I'm re-sharpening. re-sharpening not that long at all. I think I timed a custom knife in this video.
I'd say for all the knives I've made I've wanted the edge to be centered in the blade. It think there are some chisel ground blades out there that this would not be the case.
I go down a 1/2 degree... not a pro, but that's been working for me. So if I'm at 18 degrees I'll bring it down to 17.5 to strop. This is because the leather "smushes" a little bit and you don't want to round over the edge you just worked on.
I dont know if this comment is too obvious as for anyone watching this video , but you said nothing about any finishing compounds that are used on your 2 other comparison systems. There are many diamond compounds available to strop with that would be much more effective in than the wicked edge system. Diamond compounds in paste form, water and oil based,spray, and emulsions. and others. Besides the multitude of diamond sizes. There are CBN compounds that act differently. There are ceramic compounds. There are green chromium oxides, there are aluminum oxide, and much more. All of these can be e utilized with or without the wicked edge system, at a extremely fast pace. And might i add a way lower price structure than any thing similar to what wicked edge had to offer. Not an opinion.fact. all of the degree of final sharpness was related directly to the finishing steps that you used.
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00:00 - Intro / Outline
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I just bought a Tormek double rotary wet grindstone machine with rotary leather stropper from Sweden. The machine comes with a lot of different angle jigs for knifes axes and chisels. In addition, I bought an extra 4000 grit rotating Japanese polishing whet stone for this machine. All of this was a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Wicked Edge Gen 3 pro pack. The Wicked edge is just a small sharpening jig for the table. And it is just an insane rip-off all together, compared to the more professional machine with all those accessories from Sweden. The price of Wicked Edge products is complete madness.
The Tormek is a nice machine!
That sharpening system is awesome and while the price is a bit steep, you get what you pay for! I have used many different systems in the past, and after watching your video I am confident, this system is the best I have seen. I will be purchasing one! Thank you for the excellent video.
Thank you for the comment sir! It's a well made machine for sure... the results speak for themselves on the edge. Cheers!
The more professional Tormek swedish rotating whetstone machine with rotating leatherstropper is less than half the price of the Wicked Edge III pro pack. And it can do the job in a fraction of the time and effort.
@@RoarIsaksen1959
There are wet rotating grinding machines that are %10 the cost of this wicked edge contraption that blow
It away in any which way possible. The Tormek machine duplicates are as low as $200.
Great review. Personally, I no longer use the WE system, it's just too slow. I'm strictly sharpening with the 2x72 with my new sharpening attachment. Stay tuned, I'll have a video of it next month. Maybe I'll send you one. 😉
I’ll stay tuned for sure!
We have a 2x72 in the shop, but I like how this can 'tweak' the end result enough to make a difference. Thank you for posting this vid!
Cheers sir! I agree, starting with the 2x72 and then finishing with the WE is a workflow I'll probably do frequently in the future now.
Really enjoy your videos! Nice job. You totally freaked me out for a second. I have whiskers that don't quite make the ZZ Top cut, but get close. It would take a lot to convince me to shave it. Ya done good, real good. 😂
LOL, thank you sir! Cheers - Glad you enjoyed this one.
Great through video from someone who knows their way around a knife, being a knife maker, and knife sharping. Very good content and video quality. Would be interested on more in depth process od using lapping films.
Thank you greatly for the comment and request! Cheers
Very nice video. Over the years ive acquired a few systems and a handful of hand stones of different types chasing my preffered way of sharpening. Normally i hand sharpen with a dmt fine plate or spyderco ceramic bench stone then strop. Over time my technique shows its imperfections and the secondary gets all buggered so ill use my kme for small slipjoints and stuff or the wicked edge go deluxe for everything else to properly reset the edge. I started with a lansky, used belts, water stones, oil stones, ken onion sharpener and what i mentioned above seems to work the best for me. I'd love the pro system or one of the others but for how much my WE go gets used I couldnt justify the cost for personal use. Diamond and ceramic bench stones plus a strop for a quick touch up once you get the hang of it is so much faster in my opinion.
Thanks for the notes sir!
You do great work I like you knifes.
Thank you greatly Gary!
Great review...thanks. I own the WE130 and the biggest upgrade, to prevent scratching the blade on tall knives, is a set of clamping two-piece shaft collars from McMaster-Carr. With them on the guide rods, you can prevent the sharpening stone from dropping below the edge of the blade and causing scratches from contacting the face of the blade.
Nice! Good idea
Great review, thank you for sharing this 😀😀
Cheers!
What’s up Red, good video. Was awesome to see the Siren make a cameo in there! I enjoyed seeing the before and after stropping bit too. One thing that would be cool to test is the difference between stropping and micro beveling. I’m a huge fan of using microbevels. I feel like it always gives me the maximum level of sharpness with the least amount of work and the least steel removal. I also believe that it provides a longer lasting edge than stropping but I’ve never rigorously tested that. What would be interesting to me is to take two equally sharp knives that tested at very similar levels (say 200) and then strop one and VERY lightly micro bevel the other, maybe with a 1200 or 2000 stone. I personally believe the microbevel would be more agressive and last longer but it would be interesting to compare the final sharpness between the two techniques. Anyway, just my ramblings. Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll have to try that, I agree... probably would yield a heck of a robust edge.
Thats my go to sharpener! Love it
Thanks Donny! It's pretty awesome... gotta say
@@RedBeardOps It's not the fastest... but can't argue with the results! Great video man!!
@@donny6363 Agreed! and thank you
Great information, and straight forward vid. Thanks for that
Glad it was helpful!
One major Pro is no power needed. Thanks for the excellent show
Good point! Didn't think about that one. Cheers sir
had one of these for a few years now and once you have the original bur using the 100 grit it is litrally 10 swipe with each grit
Great review. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Ive been using wicked edge for about 4 years now and nothing has came out that beats it my opinion the mirror finish you can get with those lapping films are excellent better then any others system ive seen and i have lapping films and also strops and you can get kangaroo leather with diamond. 10 micron spray to make it just stupid sharp good review the stones work better as they break in and yeah its not cheap but its quality sharpener that will lasts for years
Thanks for your comment sir!
I think this might come in handy, but honestly, I think I’ll stick with my Spyderco stones. The medium is awesome for everyday use, and the other two are great for kitchen knives. I love the hell out of those stones, put a nice edge on everything
Thanks for the comment!
Great review. Thanks.
Glad you liked it sir; cheers
I've been looking at one of these but damn they are so expensive. I use my 1×30 and they turn out sharp enough to cut paper and hair. Im sure it's nowhere as sharp as you can get it on that system 👍 great video
Thanks for the comment Richard! Glad you enjoyed the video.
That system looks amazing... will investigate my budget... lol
Hahaha, good luck with your budget! I can say the machine is solid.
You did a great work. 😃😃
Thank you!
If they gave me one I'd use it too! I'm certainly not in line to buy one for that price though. Hahahahahaha
I feel you sir! The good news is that they do make a budget model that will achieve very similar if not just as good results... just a little less user friendly (more timing consuming). I totally get it though.
cool upload dude. have you had any experience with the Spyderco sharp maker?
Thanks man. I do not have experience with that system, sorry!
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Don’t use WE because it’s not only harder to use than most systems, the big elephant in the room is their use of their own stones, and not the more standardized 6” stones. TSPROF K03 or Kadet Pro can reach much better results with more stone options, and ability to run more clamp types, and better built quality with use of 7075-T6. I got a Kadet Pro for $368 new on Black Friday, came with 5 Diamond stones. It’s much easier to setup, adjust angles, and has stone thickness compensator which allow you to quickly change stones from different makers. There’s no going back for me, I’ve already reached higher results on the Bess with the same para 3 rex45.
Thanks for your comment and experience!
I'm happy with my Edge Pro Apex 4. The Wicked Edge system is nice but for too expensive in my opinion.
Very cool with great results.
Next vid: James "Red Beard" How to shave a spiders R Sole.
LOL, thank you
I own the Gen 3 Pro. I've had some problems with it with small (e.g. paring) knives. Even on larger knives, In my hands it's not quite as easy to get a good result as is shown on many UA-cam videos. I realize that may be "on me".
Interesting! I haven't tried it on paring knives, but have been able to do pretty good with it on everything else so far. Cheers sir
Which model Spyderco is that?
I'm pretty sure it was a limited edition no longer in production... Given to me as a gift
I would get a we system but thats a relaly high price i like the angle adjustable rods and the stone grits but i need something hopefully cheaper that does that sharp of bevels for my knives i carry or use
They do offer cheaper models than the pro system that could be worth looking into. Cheers!
How long does it take you to sharpen kitchen knives and pocket knives? With the we System …
Well it depends on if it's a knife I'm making or if it's one I'm re-sharpening. re-sharpening not that long at all. I think I timed a custom knife in this video.
Do we always want the edge to be in the middle of the blade? If not, when or which blades does not?
I'd say for all the knives I've made I've wanted the edge to be centered in the blade. It think there are some chisel ground blades out there that this would not be the case.
When you say stropping down what exactly do you mean? If you’re sharpening at 17 degrees, are you stropping at 16 or 18 degrees?
I go down a 1/2 degree... not a pro, but that's been working for me.
So if I'm at 18 degrees I'll bring it down to 17.5 to strop.
This is because the leather "smushes" a little bit and you don't want to round over the edge you just worked on.
@@RedBeardOps but why don’t you stay at the same degree?
@@vinnym5095 This is because the leather "smushes" a little bit and you don't want to round over the edge you just worked on.
Looks like a great device for me to buy my wife to sharpen her straight edge kitchen knives, but useless for me as my knives have curved edges.
Sorry to hear that! how much of a curve are we talking about?
12:39 whoch knife is this
This one - ua-cam.com/video/N5GIDDj_4nw/v-deo.html
Dude show some love to Victorinox and review a Hunter Pro
Interesting, never heard of those
I dont know if this comment is too obvious as for anyone watching this video , but you said nothing about any finishing compounds that are used on your 2 other comparison systems. There are many diamond compounds available to strop with that would be much more effective in than the wicked edge system. Diamond compounds in paste form, water and oil based,spray, and emulsions. and others. Besides the multitude of diamond sizes. There are CBN compounds that act differently. There are ceramic compounds. There are green chromium oxides, there are aluminum oxide, and much more. All of these can be e utilized with or without the wicked edge system, at a extremely fast pace. And might i add a way lower price structure than any thing similar to what wicked edge had to offer. Not an opinion.fact. all of the degree of final sharpness was related directly to the finishing steps that you used.
interesting, thanks for the notes
well if you shave your beard off then there goes red beard ops. lolol
LOL, I know right?! I'm pot committed
Something to dream about...
Extreme Monking 😅
Haven't heard that phrase before... lol
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Извините, что вы так думаете!
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just a commercail, he is paid off.
They sent me a unit to review, I still use it (just use the Gen 4 now). When it comes to "normal shaped" knives it's my go to solution.
Takes way too long, i use plywood wheels with sandpaper glued on, bench grinder, 2 minutes a knife.......
Glad that works for you!
Hell no, ridiculously expensive for what it is.
To each his own! Good luck with our sharpening!
Good, honest review there, James.
Bit pricey for me, but it'd be great value for a pro/semi-pro maker.
Cheers buddy
Pete
@PeteBritish
Thanks for the comment Pete! It's a premium option for sure; their cheaper models seem good too, but I haven't tried them. Have a great weekend sir!
Tip: use your entire stone front to back... your filling away w/ 50 grit & only using an inch of your stone.