As a current Triumph & KTM owner, they are completely different animals. The Triumph can seem almost boring, bc it’s does everything exactly like it should. The KTM has a bad attitude and brings the kid in me out and has me throwing eggs at houses. Love them both, but there’s something about a KTM that makes it my go too.
@@freebehindbars8654 I don't deny that KTM has a lary image and I have a 400 EXC. However, my point is the looks which, I maintain is not particularly great. Sometimes KTM nail it such as the RC8 but sometimes they miss by a good box of Crayons.
@@freebehindbars8654 AGREE. The KTM engine is now a peach. Obvious British patriotism at work here. Oh--the Speed also rides like a Brick on a road--where you ride a naked.
I have to admit the only thing keeping me from buying great KTM’s are the aesthetics. Surely there’s a difference between “eye of the beholder” and eyesore?
The KTM hits all the right spots for me. Incredibly masculine, strong looks, sharp chassis and that stonking engine takes no prisoners. The Triumph is clearly a fantastic bike and the better all-rounder, but is that what you want when you buy a naked hooligan bike? I think the KTM is still the sharper bike.
My thoughts exactly... who wants refined fast when you can have bonkers fun. The harder you ride them, the more rewarding they are. They are fun, you can literally power slide them through roundabouts and wheelie out... because you can. Its the same reason I ride a supermoto as my main commuter bike. just stupid fun and instant punch from the engine (I hate having to wait for an engine to wind on... twist the throttle and I want it now).
@@jamesmarks1724 Agreed, the lack of midrange on the Ducati Street Fighter V4S is waaaay disappointing! The KTM just = pure fun and none of the competition out there can compete on the fun factor
@@jamesmarks1724 you'd still need the handling on the bike you are riding, we were talking about nakeds not sports bikes, so you'd never push a naked at the upper end ? Of course you would and you'd need the hadling when you did
I thinks it all boils down to which one looks better in your eyes. The performance and tech are so close to each other that 95% of bikers wouldn't even notice the differences (like handling etc) between the bikes. I own the Speed Triple 1200 and have tried the Super Duke, both are excellent bikes and incredibly fast.
I like the KTM I just don't like their business model where they charge you for things that are already installed on the bike to be unlocked, why they are still doing this I cannot see me ever getting one.
But why? Its always like this with software. When you buy a Windows PC do you complain about not having all Office Apps? Or every halo game available for PC? For sure it looks weird first but most of the time its cheaper to just leave everything in and lock it behind a paywall.
Hardly a head to head when the two bikes never appear side by side. Bit subjective, I could tell from the presenter accent which would ‘pop’ the other. I own a super duke r, and I’m thinking to upgrade so this is a video I would have gotten value from. Pity
KTM forever, i don't ride motorcycles because they are easier to live with or are convenient, i ride them for the sheer fun and excitement they bring to the table. And in that regard the KTM simply wins it by a long shot. Some folks might butt in with the age factor but let me tell you about a passionate gentleman i met the other day, pushing 60 and riding a street naked bike of all things on the tour with us, he even rode it on the track. I mean you would assume at his age he might wanna retire himself to a plush and comfy adv tourer, but nope he likes to have fun, and isn't biking in its essence all about that ! I just hope when i am 60 i can still handle a bike like that guy could, thinking about resigning myself to cars and neutered bikes does not give me joy :P
I'm 53 and my Super Duke just brings a smile to my face after every single stop. It is sooo much fun! Had a 765 Triple RS before that which was also fun but this one is ridiculous!!
@@Sandman68 I'm 75++, and my 765RS has every thing I need for the Buriram International Circuit. The Speed Triple RS would be an over kill for me, but I'm willing to pay its price. The KTM 1290 Super Duke R is priced beyond my reach, and servicing would send me to bankruptcy.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 That's what families are for :) I don't know about your life or your circumstances, but if you have kids of your own, they could always chime in. Still love the fact that you are 75 and still riding, any exercise regime or fitness routine you follow which keeps you fit, or is it the good old sheer will at play :D
@@bharadghost I'm an exercise addict. I do serious muaythai three times a weeki. I also jog and jump rope + weight lifting. I'm 5'7" and weigh in @ 151 lbs with 15%-16% body fat. BTW, almost two years ago, I rode from Thai border thru Laos into China Lijiang, and back to Chiangmai, Thailand
I own the 1200rs and the 1e gen (tuned) SD1290r. Both are great bikes but very different. The Speed is super precise and is an racetrack weapon. The suspension is hard but je can soften it for the road. My sd is a wild hooligan but can also be ridden relaxing like a relaxed Big Twin. The Speed has this silky smooth 3 cylinder engine both good for relaxing ride as fast high rpm driving. I am a big fan of the looks of the Speed. And you don't see them very often which makes the bike more exclusive in my eyes and hope that's stays like that. So go and buy the KTM.🙃😅
I own a Speed Triple. The tech factor (or lack of) is what swayed me. Now that Triumph is stepping up their game, it won’t be long before they overtake the Hyper-naked segment.
I rode my SDR to the Speed Triple test ride, for comparison. After losing several fillings from the rock hard suspension, it was like riding home on an extremely fast sofa! 🙂 Hat off to Triumph for that engine, though.
I recently purchased the Speed, my friend recently a SDuke, and it reflects both our riding styles - both quick riders, aggressive on throttle with punchy exits, him a little more rogue, myself a more smooth IMO. The KTM is the devil, the Triumph a God.
Having tried both I finally bought the KTM. I owned à 2017 Model. Both Bike are incredibly hyper performing and totally oversized on Road anyways. Cold brain is absolutely mandatory on both but the KTM is much more comfortable in duo and can embark 2 disc blocs + tool bag under the passenger’ seat. Fuel consuption is also suite reasonable and the engine is less noisy under charge : sligthly more discreet…. Awsome biles
I prefer high performance riding on off-road trails in the Colorado desert. Thankfully I was able to recover from my addiction to high performance sport bikes and cars. My favorite bike is a 2018 KTM 350 EXC-F dual sport. With no police and radar guns within miles of my off-road riding terrain, the 350 will go as fast as I feel safe, and both climb and descend the craziest and technical hills imaginable. In terms of the 2 bikes mentioned in the video, the Triumph is stunning to look at and probably performs fast enough for even expert riders. My choice would be the KTM 1290, for all of the design and build quality only KTM can provide. My first modification would be to swap the headlight immediately for something that matches the beauty and design of the rest of the bike. Great video my friend, thank you for taking the time to film and produce this naked bike comparison!
KTM is like android, everyone has its cheap models like duke 125, 200, 390 and they are shouting that KTM is better then Triumph , Ducati, Japanese bikes , :))) people should not get under influence, Triumph is the winner here, very good review, thank you!
Quarter Mile times? 0-60? Braking distance? Lap times? Pretty much any keyboard ninja can splice together clips of these bikes on the road and track. Give us REAL numbers. These bikes are both at the top of the food chain and deserve a proper scientific and competitive numbers review. I love you guys. Just please don't sell us short on these two bikes in the review. Part Two of this test is coming, right?
Will like to see how the aftermarket receives the new triumph. Despite all the improvements, there was still a price point consideration. I really do appreciate what Triumph is giving you for your 15K
Just traded my 2020 KTM for the Triple. Well actually the dealer bought back my Duke after it spent 4 of it's first 12 months of ownership with mystery oil leaks, transmission issues and engine problems. I loved the KTM when it ran, but it proved to be an unreliable piece of junk. The Triumph is just as fun - it's power delivery is different but better in some circumstances (much easier in traffic for instance), and no question the Speed handles significantly better than the KTM. Doesn't matter to me anyway, as the KTM was such a bad ownership experience that I'll never buy one again.
I've heard the Gen 3 KTM has seen some major refinement over my 2018. I found my SD to be very satisfying . . . when it was not in the shop. I finally sold it after a substantial loss with so much frustration over the lack of resolution of a nagging issue. I went with a less expensive bike (MT-10) because my budget had just taken a major hit, I just wanted out of the KTM realm and not further deal with the company through our USA lemon law. Therefore the Speed Triple would be the one I would most consider after really liking my Yamaha. The MT-10 was even more comfortable than my Duke with the 10 having a lower seat (I've a 30"/76 cm inseam) and what felt like a lower center of gravity. My gen 2 Duke also got increasing buzzy with revs while the Yamaha was a fun, smooth ride to the top. This is another reason I'd look at the Speed Triple because I do enjoy running up the rev range. I'm at the gas station every 90 miles with the Yam, more or less and I can say that's annoying whereas the Duke got around 40 mpg to my current 26-29 mpg. The RS wouldn't be judged by poor gas mileage because, yeah . . . one is buying a superbike. But for those considering the Duke, that is a nice bonus, especially with the relatively small tank on the Speed Triple. Boy it annoyed me how the Duke's instrument readout was changing to night mode on & off with little provocation and then taking some time to restore itself to the daylight setting. That's just me tooling around rather than on it and paying primary attention to the road. I heard that's improved some on the Gen 3. I do appreciate that Triumph just gives you the full measure of technology at its price point now that it has dropped the standard model while it irks me the way KTM locks up features unless one puts more earnings on the dealer's table. Lastly I'd say the KTM was quality just about everywhere I would look. However my visits to the Triumph showroom left me very impressed with that manufacturer's machinery.
You must try it. I had the KTM gen2, very powerful but the suspensions and chassis was not the same. Superduke is a best disorderly that could be very fun, the Speed is great scalpel. The only problem in the speed is the metzeler racetech. With these tires the suspensions work a little hard, that issue changes with s21, contisport or contirace, I haven't been able to try anothers
I had one KTM SMC R from factory, brand new, and it was dripping oil all the time. I sold it and I bought a new KTM Duke 890 R. The same thing. Dripping oil all the time. The Triumph is a well made motorbike, elegant and it looks like made with really good quality materials. KTM looks more plastic. And don't forget it, dripping oil all the time.
@@tombraathen531 I'm talking about my ones, the ones which I'm talking about. Obviously I'm not talking about your one. I don't know you and your motorbike either. Probably you are a KTM fan and you felt offended about my comment. But was a reality, not an intention to offend anyone.
Triples and V2’s are the best. I own my second 2018 Super Duke and a MV Augusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. The SD all that power and torque all below 9500. The Triple is very unique. Almost like a V4 with torque and high rpm horsepower but with a little more character.
I own a 21 1290 SUPERDUKE R Full blown HOOLIGAN bike its Nast an wheelies constantly as well as takes the twistys beautifully!!!! ABSOLUTE TORQUE MONSTER!!!! THAT MAKES YOU SMILE AN LAUGH THE WHOLE RIDE!!!🍻🤙🏼
How is that head-to head comparo? Yes, you have tried both of those bikes, but without 2nd moto journalist to ride ‘em together those recorded videos are just teasers and your opinions recollecting from your memory.All kudos to you and all but after COVID-19 restrictions lifted, hoping to see some proper comparisons.
Ill let you know which one I prefer after I've tested out the triumph next week :)... I loved the 1290 Super duke and by the sound of it there is not much to choose between them! Nice Review video...
@@NicePantsLance Thanks very much! I'm looking forward to visiting Triumph next week! All the best and Ill keep an eye out for your next videos, nice channel also btw!
THE KTM is a rough neck, the Triumph is smooth as silk. It boils down to as you so eloquently put it “Personal preference.” That said, I own the the Speedy and I freaking love it.
Same. I cant think of anything more boring that trying to wrangle a rough neck around. It might be fun for 3 minutes but after that 3 minutes it would get boring really really fast.
I am looking for a naked that means business on track and can also do some road riding (July and August when it's too hot for trackdays). Which one is it? Tuono, SDR or Speed Triple?
I absolutely love my Monster 1200S on road and track. Would like to see that in a head to head test with these. I like the performance stats of the Triumph and KTM, not so the looks. Can someone convince me to change?
I've got myself a SD GT instead of R a few days ago and I've clocked in a bit over a 1000 miles😋 and funny thing is how fast I've got use to this acceleration. At first it was Wow and now it's OK😁 still liking it but wouldn't mind a bit more😉 the only downside I found is a vibration level. No getting away from that. Depending on a rev range it's either through pegs, seat or a handlebar. What surprised me was a fuel economy up to 55mpg with normal (ish) riding. For me it's the one and only my slightly mental KTM😍
If money wasn't a problem Id choose the KTM as I am all about the hooliganess. With that said, the reliability of the KTM will have me scratching my head, possibly making me change my mind, and ending me with choosing the Triumph.
I had the opportunity to ride the Speed Triple 1200 RS for a few km as it is available for a test ride in a nearby Triumph showroom. After just a few km ride - all I could say was - WHOAAAAAAAAA!! It is surprisingly nimble for a 1200 cc bike, it is even more surprisingly comfortable for the tough Indian road conditions for a sports naked bike (how the hell did they manage to make it taut handling and still comfortable at the same time!!). This bike absolutely hates to go slow - in the typical cluttered Indian city traffic, it sputters a bit and can at times overheat also but the moment you open up the throttle, it just goes BAAAAAMMMMM! It wants to wheelie all the time (and guys, just forget the so called riding modes - keeping it in the SPORT or whichever is the best aggressive mode truly brings out the character of that bike). When buying an expensive bike, it is also important to think about the dealer stability and spare supply etc - and Triumph being a relatively smaller global brand has done quite a good job in India on that front. If one does have the budget for this kind of a bike, then it's almost a no brainer! Unfortunately, KTM in India has still stuck to its portfolio of 125/200/250/390...They are not bringing out Duke 890 and 1290 variants. So we in India have been deprived of any test rides of these mental machines. If Duke 390 or few examples of 790 sold are any indication, then 1290 will be an absolute mad thing IF they are able to do assembly in India at least and keep the pricing a bit below Triumph, I think Duke has its own fan following and Duke 1290 may become the arch rival of Speed Triple here!
I haven't tried any of the two, but I know by experience I would easily love that Triumph. I would need a proper test ride of the Duke before I made up my mind about it, because I just don't know that brand well enough. They make cool bikes for sure, no questions asked, I personally just need to get a better feel for them first. Reliability and quality are two aspects I would need more confidence in with the Duke.
Great video and review! Both are awesome motorcycles but I would stick with the Triumph Speed Triple as there are virtually zero KTM dealers anywhere near me here in the US.
I wanted a Triumph Speed Triple, but couldn’t see waiting for the 1200 version, and I really liked the styling of the outgoing 2020 Triumph Speed Triple RS 1050. Then I was thinking I really really liked the 2021 KTM Super Duke 1290 R as the front end looked menacing (sorta like the helmet on The Mandalorian). Both bikes are great in their own rights. So in the end, or beginning of April anyways, I bought them both. I will say the Triumph is silky smooth and comfortable to ride; and the KTM feels like it’s given name “The Beast.” So depending on the mood, will determine which bike to ride. Unless I decide to ride my Harley-Davidson or Ducati Panigale V4S Corse (beautiful bike but it kills my body; so it’s more like $30,000+ “Art” that you just admire 😂)
Lots of opinions from people that haven't owned let alone ridden either one. I sent my Ktm down the road and don't miss it (not saying I didn't like it) The new 1200RS in my garage now is a fantastic machine that keeps growing on me
Own a 2021 sdr and it’s brilliant, well built, fast, handles well and above all fun. Triumph is a bit too refined to compete with the KTM for me. Horses for courses
But if you're not a pro biker, you'll look way more ridiculous on the SDR than on the Speed which is really made for road. I've smoked numerous SDR riders with my old CBR 954 RR (2003 !) on tracks and i was really sorry for them... so much money and nearly no way to handle it at 100% if you're not a pro with intense training coz it's an unchained beast hard to ride at full power...where the Speed is a waaaay easier bike made first of all for road (it's a true roadster not a sportbike with no fairings like the S1000R) and way easier to handle and to live with for lambda riders like both of us. I highly prefer being able to use 90% of a speed than 70% of a SDR and from what i see on roads and tracks for years now, most SDR owners look like affraid pussies on their bikes (i can understand, it's a real monster but you still look ridiculous when everyone overrides you with less powerfull bikes...) Most owners aren't good on tracks or roads, only able to open on straight lines because you have to be Rossi to handle 100% of that engine. The Speed is a way more "average rider friendly" and it's nearly as easy as a 765RS so peeps are pushing it harder and look less ridiculous. My 2 cents
@@JB-bi5vt The suspension can be dialed so far down that a 180lb person would bottom it out. If you don't weigh at least 180lbs, you can swap springs. No brainer!
@@ttrguy9952 I don’t think you understand race track valving and street bike valving. One or the other is always Favored, the triumph is valved more for the track. Meaning it favor smooth fast roads. So I have been told. The Ktm fall a little short when pushed on the track but is still very sporty on the road in sport suspension setting.
Like the new SpeedTriple. I bought one of the first 1050 SpeedTriple, ordered in 2004 blind and I was riding it 70tkm in 10 years. This year it was choice between SpeedTriple 2021 and SDR 2021. Decision was not about the engine. I bought the SDR because of: 1) already owned a Speedy for 10 years 2) the rear of the SDR is much nicer design for me, on the Speedy its too low (...at the end the overall design i liked more) 3) SDR is more agile in shorter corners 4) torque in low rev
I was a BSA man, and remain a British fan. I assume that the Speed Triple will be built in Thailand where I live. Incidentally, I own a 765RS, which I love best. I also have Ducati SuperSport950 S, and Ninja 400.
@@p.chakraborty4453 V4 vs I4, you gotta ride them both and decide on your own mate, although the general consensus among my group is that RSV4 is the better bike on and off the track. But then again R1 has such a massive fan following and that engine's soundtrack is killer.
@@bharadghost ya ya , i have rode a I4 before , the thing i love about that is the smoothness , but the V4 has a huge bang , just pulls and pulls like crazy , and the RSV4 soundtrack was the exhaust note of the year , as per as i know , anyways I'll buy em used , so if i get a cheaper R1 , I'll take it , I've currently got my eyes on a 2018 R1M , for 5 lakhs only!! And the RSV4 1100 APRC for the 7 lakhs.😂
Gday Guys I bought a new SDR last September. There is nothing wrong with my SDR, but I find that it is “too focussed” a machine…. You need to be right up it to make the most of the whole package and it’s exhausting. I’ve had 5 Trumpies, 4 of which had a Triple (inc an S3). I really wish that I had not been impatient and waited to find out what Hinckley were doing with the S3 in 2021 because I will lose a boatload of money if I try and sell it now to get back on a Triumph. TL:DR I really miss riding a Triumph. I wish I’d held out to get a new S3RS.
The technology of the 1290 Super Duke R dribbles all the way down to the ergonomically comfortable touring friendly 1290 Adventure S; to what similar bike Triumph does the Speed Triple’s technology dribble?
KTM 1290 SDR 3.0 is the best naked bike ever. Mine got Austin Racing full exhaust (189 HP), 158 Nm torque, 186 kg. I drove Suzuki B-King (2007), KTM 990 SDR (2010) Ducati Streetfighter (2012), KTM 1290 SDR 1.gen. (2015), 2.gen. (2018). The Best is unbeatable.
I own the SDR 3.0 so obviously that's the bike for me. I've always been a fan of Triumph, but, they lack soul. Not like the KTM thou it's got soul in abundance and that engine 😍is just a beast and sounds awesome. So thanks Triumph but no thanks.
Part of the reason why my next bike is almost certain to be the KTM is that I just loooove V twins. KTM is now the ONLY manufacturer of balls out V-twins, which is a huge shame. I know that the Duc v4 is a "twin pulse" (like a tandem V twin), but there really is no substitute for those big slugs, whatever Ducati claim), and I know that Indian make the FTR, but 120 bhp really isn't comparable (apart from the fact that they are having supply problems atm). Of course I'll test ride all the competition that I can, but I think it very unlikely that I'll get anything else.
Believe it or not that FTR holy shit forget the numbers that thing is a blast and I'm a numbers guy more than anybody else you test drive that bike you would be hooked and it looks amazing blows the other bikes out of the water looks wise.
The Trumpet looks classy. The KTM looks like it was designed by a small child in the Early Learning Centre.
As a current Triumph & KTM owner, they are completely different animals. The Triumph can seem almost boring, bc it’s does everything exactly like it should. The KTM has a bad attitude and brings the kid in me out and has me throwing eggs at houses. Love them both, but there’s something about a KTM that makes it my go too.
@@freebehindbars8654 I don't deny that KTM has a lary image and I have a 400 EXC. However, my point is the looks which, I maintain is not particularly great. Sometimes KTM nail it such as the RC8 but sometimes they miss by a good box of Crayons.
@@markchisholm2657 Seems to be love/hate with most people. I’m all for it. I’m required to be a grownup 99% of the time, it gets old.
@@freebehindbars8654 AGREE. The KTM engine is now a peach. Obvious British patriotism at work here. Oh--the Speed also rides like a Brick on a road--where you ride a naked.
I have to admit the only thing keeping me from buying great KTM’s are the aesthetics. Surely there’s a difference between “eye of the beholder” and eyesore?
The KTM hits all the right spots for me. Incredibly masculine, strong looks, sharp chassis and that stonking engine takes no prisoners. The Triumph is clearly a fantastic bike and the better all-rounder, but is that what you want when you buy a naked hooligan bike? I think the KTM is still the sharper bike.
My thoughts exactly... who wants refined fast when you can have bonkers fun. The harder you ride them, the more rewarding they are. They are fun, you can literally power slide them through roundabouts and wheelie out... because you can. Its the same reason I ride a supermoto as my main commuter bike. just stupid fun and instant punch from the engine (I hate having to wait for an engine to wind on... twist the throttle and I want it now).
@@jamesmarks1724 I agree on the fun but if you were racing for money flat out the speed would take it
@@jamesmarks1724 Agreed, the lack of midrange on the Ducati Street Fighter V4S is waaaay disappointing! The KTM just = pure fun and none of the competition out there can compete on the fun factor
@@simonclare100 if i was racing flat out, I'd be on a super sport.. not a naked bike.
@@jamesmarks1724 you'd still need the handling on the bike you are riding, we were talking about nakeds not sports bikes, so you'd never push a naked at the upper end ? Of course you would and you'd need the hadling when you did
My head says Speed Triple but my johnson says KTM!
I'll take the one that has the engine described as a sledgehammer thank you very much 😁😁😁😁😁
I thinks it all boils down to which one looks better in your eyes. The performance and tech are so close to each other that 95% of bikers wouldn't even notice the differences (like handling etc) between the bikes. I own the Speed Triple 1200 and have tried the Super Duke, both are excellent bikes and incredibly fast.
When i see head to head i think of drag races timed laps and a road test, sadly there are no such comparison tests for bikes. 😔
Not with this shitty channel but 44teeth does
@@tpartridge10 Yeah this video was just useless mag racing.
indead, just reading a spreadsheet. What a waste of time
Click bait drives us all nuts and wastes our time. How come testers with far less budget can do back to back tests yet the so called big boys can’t.
I like the KTM I just don't like their business model where they charge you for things that are already installed on the bike to be unlocked, why they are still doing this I cannot see me ever getting one.
I know… Extremely annoying. Worst thing is I ended up paying for it 🤦🏻♂️
But why? Its always like this with software. When you buy a Windows PC do you complain about not having all Office Apps? Or every halo game available for PC?
For sure it looks weird first but most of the time its cheaper to just leave everything in and lock it behind a paywall.
@@leokal457 it must be cheaper to have it on every bike than to make it a optional extra to sum, just give me the price for all of the bike
That is
Hardly a head to head when the two bikes never appear side by side. Bit subjective, I could tell from the presenter accent which would ‘pop’ the other. I own a super duke r, and I’m thinking to upgrade so this is a video I would have gotten value from. Pity
I’d like to see a four way comparison adding the Streetfighter V4 and the latest Tuono V4
Words right out of my mouth...er, keyboard
Throw in the new S1000R too
and gsx1000 too
Damn right and with Lap times done by a renowned racer for good measure!
KTM forever, i don't ride motorcycles because they are easier to live with or are convenient, i ride them for the sheer fun and excitement they bring to the table. And in that regard the KTM simply wins it by a long shot.
Some folks might butt in with the age factor but let me tell you about a passionate gentleman i met the other day, pushing 60 and riding a street naked bike of all things on the tour with us, he even rode it on the track. I mean you would assume at his age he might wanna retire himself to a plush and comfy adv tourer, but nope he likes to have fun, and isn't biking in its essence all about that !
I just hope when i am 60 i can still handle a bike like that guy could, thinking about resigning myself to cars and neutered bikes does not give me joy :P
I'm 53 and my Super Duke just brings a smile to my face after every single stop. It is sooo much fun! Had a 765 Triple RS before that which was also fun but this one is ridiculous!!
@@Sandman68 I'm 75++, and my 765RS has every thing I need for the Buriram International Circuit. The Speed Triple RS would be an over kill for me, but I'm willing to pay its price. The KTM 1290 Super Duke R is priced beyond my reach, and servicing would send me to bankruptcy.
i am 61 the speed triple rs i have i love it and ride it like i was 18 hard and fast GREAT
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 That's what families are for :) I don't know about your life or your circumstances, but if you have kids of your own, they could always chime in.
Still love the fact that you are 75 and still riding, any exercise regime or fitness routine you follow which keeps you fit, or is it the good old sheer will at play :D
@@bharadghost I'm an exercise addict. I do serious muaythai three times a weeki. I also jog and jump rope + weight lifting. I'm 5'7" and weigh in @ 151 lbs with 15%-16% body fat. BTW, almost two years ago, I rode from Thai border thru Laos into China Lijiang, and back to Chiangmai, Thailand
I own the 1200rs and the 1e gen (tuned) SD1290r. Both are great bikes but very different. The Speed is super precise and is an racetrack weapon. The suspension is hard but je can soften it for the road. My sd is a wild hooligan but can also be ridden relaxing like a relaxed Big Twin. The Speed has this silky smooth 3 cylinder engine both good for relaxing ride as fast high rpm driving. I am a big fan of the looks of the Speed. And you don't see them very often which makes the bike more exclusive in my eyes and hope that's stays like that. So go and buy the KTM.🙃😅
Am a big fan of the Speed Triple but at this point in time, my 2020 SDR still wins for me.
I own a Speed Triple. The tech factor (or lack of) is what swayed me. Now that Triumph is stepping up their game, it won’t be long before they overtake the Hyper-naked segment.
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Engine
3:24 - Chassis and Handling
4:41 - Electronics
5:00 - Verdict
5:30 - Outro
Nice vid. The personality of the KTM wins me over every time. The Triumph just seems a bit dull in comparison, although I'm sure it's not.
same
OSSSOM.....😍😍😍😍
SUGGESTION....WHILE DOING HEAD TO HEAD VIDEOS, PLEASE MAKE THEM APPEAR ON THE SCREEN TOGETHER WITH TWO EXPERT RIDERS..
I bleed orange all day long!
Me too I have 2 middleweight Dukes
Love my SDGT!
Likewise brother !
@@rickseconds7676 Ditto!
Triumph .
Great 👍video Visor Down.
Glad you liked it!
I rode my SDR to the Speed Triple test ride, for comparison. After losing several fillings from the rock hard suspension, it was like riding home on an extremely fast sofa! 🙂
Hat off to Triumph for that engine, though.
It’s got adjustable suspension tho 😂
I recently purchased the Speed, my friend recently a SDuke, and it reflects both our riding styles - both quick riders, aggressive on throttle with punchy exits, him a little more rogue, myself a more smooth IMO. The KTM is the devil, the Triumph a God.
Having tried both I finally bought the KTM. I owned à 2017 Model. Both Bike are incredibly hyper performing and totally oversized on Road anyways. Cold brain is absolutely mandatory on both but the KTM is much more comfortable in duo and can embark 2 disc blocs + tool bag under the passenger’ seat. Fuel consuption is also suite reasonable and the engine is less noisy under charge : sligthly more discreet…. Awsome biles
Triumph triple whistle sound is 🎶 on ear
The speed triple is no slouch. Look at the dyno chart. It’s easier to live with and a BEAST. Aka refined and better
I own a speed triple rr for me it’s absolutely a weapon to ride and looks great
1290 SDR....irrespective of their models KTM makes the funnest bikes out there..😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Both stonking. Just comes down to aesthetics for me...Speed triple just appeals more to me a bit more.
I prefer high performance riding on off-road trails in the Colorado desert. Thankfully I was able to recover from my addiction to high performance sport bikes and cars. My favorite bike is a 2018 KTM 350 EXC-F dual sport. With no police and radar guns within miles of my off-road riding terrain, the 350 will go as fast as I feel safe, and both climb and descend the craziest and technical hills imaginable. In terms of the 2 bikes mentioned in the video, the Triumph is stunning to look at and probably performs fast enough for even expert riders. My choice would be the KTM 1290, for all of the design and build quality only KTM can provide. My first modification would be to swap the headlight immediately for something that matches the beauty and design of the rest of the bike. Great video my friend, thank you for taking the time to film and produce this naked bike comparison!
Nothing like a triumph. Best quality all over best feeling and power...
The fun factor of my 1290R is off the charts. I would love to ride one of the new Speed Triples though.
KTM is like android, everyone has its cheap models like duke 125, 200, 390 and they are shouting that KTM is better then Triumph , Ducati, Japanese bikes , :))) people should not get under influence, Triumph is the winner here, very good review, thank you!
Quarter Mile times? 0-60? Braking distance? Lap times?
Pretty much any keyboard ninja can splice together clips of these bikes on the road and track.
Give us REAL numbers. These bikes are both at the top of the food chain and deserve a proper scientific and competitive numbers review.
I love you guys. Just please don't sell us short on these two bikes in the review.
Part Two of this test is coming, right?
I agree, this was a lazy filler piece and achieved nothing. Shame on you Visordown!
Will like to see how the aftermarket receives the new triumph. Despite all the improvements, there was still a price point consideration. I really do appreciate what Triumph is giving you for your 15K
Still don't like the triumph styling. Guys, that headlight has to go!!!
Nahh it ok
100% agree those stick on headlights are disgusting
Yeah I don’t get what triumph is doing to their styling of the front.
But you like the ktm 's?😕
@@threepot5874 Nope. But if I had to pick, I'd go the ktm.
Just traded my 2020 KTM for the Triple. Well actually the dealer bought back my Duke after it spent 4 of it's first 12 months of ownership with mystery oil leaks, transmission issues and engine problems. I loved the KTM when it ran, but it proved to be an unreliable piece of junk. The Triumph is just as fun - it's power delivery is different but better in some circumstances (much easier in traffic for instance), and no question the Speed handles significantly better than the KTM. Doesn't matter to me anyway, as the KTM was such a bad ownership experience that I'll never buy one again.
Crazy I've got a 2021 1290 SDR since June 2021 and it had no issues yet hopefully it stays that way
@@loloflieger8832 Yeah mine was solid until 5000 miles and then came apart like a cheap suit.
The new 1200RS ST bug eyes look like they are angry and "Ready to Race" that KTM now...luv it.
A Naked bike should be purpose built to Seek and Destroy!
KTM All day long. The only plus for the Triumph is the awesome 3 cylinder sound
I've heard the Gen 3 KTM has seen some major refinement over my 2018. I found my SD to be very satisfying . . . when it was not in the shop. I finally sold it after a substantial loss with so much frustration over the lack of resolution of a nagging issue. I went with a less expensive bike (MT-10) because my budget had just taken a major hit, I just wanted out of the KTM realm and not further deal with the company through our USA lemon law. Therefore the Speed Triple would be the one I would most consider after really liking my Yamaha.
The MT-10 was even more comfortable than my Duke with the 10 having a lower seat (I've a 30"/76 cm inseam) and what felt like a lower center of gravity. My gen 2 Duke also got increasing buzzy with revs while the Yamaha was a fun, smooth ride to the top. This is another reason I'd look at the Speed Triple because I do enjoy running up the rev range. I'm at the gas station every 90 miles with the Yam, more or less and I can say that's annoying whereas the Duke got around 40 mpg to my current 26-29 mpg. The RS wouldn't be judged by poor gas mileage because, yeah . . . one is buying a superbike. But for those considering the Duke, that is a nice bonus, especially with the relatively small tank on the Speed Triple.
Boy it annoyed me how the Duke's instrument readout was changing to night mode on & off with little provocation and then taking some time to restore itself to the daylight setting. That's just me tooling around rather than on it and paying primary attention to the road. I heard that's improved some on the Gen 3. I do appreciate that Triumph just gives you the full measure of technology at its price point now that it has dropped the standard model while it irks me the way KTM locks up features unless one puts more earnings on the dealer's table. Lastly I'd say the KTM was quality just about everywhere I would look. However my visits to the Triumph showroom left me very impressed with that manufacturer's machinery.
You must try it. I had the KTM gen2, very powerful but the suspensions and chassis was not the same. Superduke is a best disorderly that could be very fun, the Speed is great scalpel. The only problem in the speed is the metzeler racetech. With these tires the suspensions work a little hard, that issue changes with s21, contisport or contirace, I haven't been able to try anothers
Thank you for bringing up reliability. Moto pubs dependent on advertising aren't going to, they can't.
I had one KTM SMC R from factory, brand new, and it was dripping oil all the time. I sold it and I bought a new KTM Duke 890 R. The same thing. Dripping oil all the time. The Triumph is a well made motorbike, elegant and it looks like made with really good quality materials. KTM looks more plastic. And don't forget it, dripping oil all the time.
My Super Duke has not spilled one drop of oil on my garage floor, so it's maybe a bit of a generalization going on there.
@@tombraathen531 was a reality, not a supposition or something like that. 2/2, brand new. 2019 and 2020.
@@xcrufy543 You said "KTM looks more plastic. And don't forget it, dripping oil all the time.". Its a generalization.
@@tombraathen531 I'm talking about my ones, the ones which I'm talking about. Obviously I'm not talking about your one. I don't know you and your motorbike either. Probably you are a KTM fan and you felt offended about my comment. But was a reality, not an intention to offend anyone.
I like the KTM....I have a Street Glide.....It's 1700 cc 103 cubes...Slow as Hell but Cool as Hell...Sounds Great
Triples and V2’s are the best. I own my second 2018 Super Duke and a MV Augusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. The SD all that power and torque all below 9500. The Triple is very unique. Almost like a V4 with torque and high rpm horsepower but with a little more character.
Agree, I own a panigale v2 and speed 1050 rs, Love both of them
Like to see a comparison test in between MT10 - GSX-S1000 2021 and 1000sx Kawasaki
I own a 21 1290 SUPERDUKE R
Full blown HOOLIGAN bike its Nast an wheelies constantly as well as takes the twistys beautifully!!!! ABSOLUTE TORQUE MONSTER!!!! THAT MAKES YOU SMILE AN LAUGH THE WHOLE RIDE!!!🍻🤙🏼
How is that head-to head comparo? Yes, you have tried both of those bikes, but without 2nd moto journalist to ride ‘em together those recorded videos are just teasers and your opinions recollecting from your memory.All kudos to you and all but after COVID-19 restrictions lifted, hoping to see some proper comparisons.
Ill let you know which one I prefer after I've tested out the triumph next week :)... I loved the 1290 Super duke and by the sound of it there is not much to choose between them! Nice Review video...
I like your channel! You've got a sub from me 👍 maybe I can get a test ride vid too!
@@NicePantsLance Thanks very much! I'm looking forward to visiting Triumph next week! All the best and Ill keep an eye out for your next videos, nice channel also btw!
Cod and Haddock are my favorites!
THE KTM is a rough neck, the Triumph is smooth as silk. It boils down to as you so eloquently put it “Personal preference.” That said, I own the the Speedy and I freaking love it.
Same. I cant think of anything more boring that trying to wrangle a rough neck around. It might be fun for 3 minutes but after that 3 minutes it would get boring really really fast.
I am looking for a naked that means business on track and can also do some road riding (July and August when it's too hot for trackdays). Which one is it? Tuono, SDR or Speed Triple?
Spend a little extra and get the Speed Triple... it is the DRIVER'S bike.
Comparison of Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX and Yamaha Tracer 9GT please.
I absolutely love my Monster 1200S on road and track.
Would like to see that in a head to head test with these.
I like the performance stats of the Triumph and KTM, not so the looks. Can someone convince me to change?
accounting for the legendary british bias, the ktm must have done exceptionally well
I've got myself a SD GT instead of R a few days ago and I've clocked in a bit over a 1000 miles😋 and funny thing is how fast I've got use to this acceleration. At first it was Wow and now it's OK😁 still liking it but wouldn't mind a bit more😉 the only downside I found is a vibration level. No getting away from that. Depending on a rev range it's either through pegs, seat or a handlebar. What surprised me was a fuel economy up to 55mpg with normal (ish) riding. For me it's the one and only my slightly mental KTM😍
If money wasn't a problem Id choose the KTM as I am all about the hooliganess. With that said, the reliability of the KTM will have me scratching my head, possibly making me change my mind, and ending me with choosing the Triumph.
trips wheelie just as well !
love to see the new ZH2 2021 against the speed triple 1200 rs dying to see a duel of those 2
The zh2 is the only "naked bike" i dont want in a naked test.
Why?
Its not a fun light wheelie hooligan bike what is what the naked bike is all about.
I had the opportunity to ride the Speed Triple 1200 RS for a few km as it is available for a test ride in a nearby Triumph showroom.
After just a few km ride - all I could say was - WHOAAAAAAAAA!!
It is surprisingly nimble for a 1200 cc bike, it is even more surprisingly comfortable for the tough Indian road conditions for a sports naked bike (how the hell did they manage to make it taut handling and still comfortable at the same time!!).
This bike absolutely hates to go slow - in the typical cluttered Indian city traffic, it sputters a bit and can at times overheat also but the moment you open up the throttle, it just goes BAAAAAMMMMM!
It wants to wheelie all the time (and guys, just forget the so called riding modes - keeping it in the SPORT or whichever is the best aggressive mode truly brings out the character of that bike).
When buying an expensive bike, it is also important to think about the dealer stability and spare supply etc - and Triumph being a relatively smaller global brand has done quite a good job in India on that front.
If one does have the budget for this kind of a bike, then it's almost a no brainer!
Unfortunately, KTM in India has still stuck to its portfolio of 125/200/250/390...They are not bringing out Duke 890 and 1290 variants.
So we in India have been deprived of any test rides of these mental machines. If Duke 390 or few examples of 790 sold are any indication, then 1290 will be an absolute mad thing
IF they are able to do assembly in India at least and keep the pricing a bit below Triumph, I think Duke has its own fan following and Duke 1290 may become the arch rival of Speed Triple here!
I haven't tried any of the two, but I know by experience I would easily love that Triumph. I would need a proper test ride of the Duke before I made up my mind about it, because I just don't know that brand well enough. They make cool bikes for sure, no questions asked, I personally just need to get a better feel for them first.
Reliability and quality are two aspects I would need more confidence in with the Duke.
If you talk reliability you need to go Japanese.
Don't you have to pay a membership on KTM to use features that are standard on every other bike? Cause that really sucks.
which one will be still running like a dream in ten years time?
Great video and review! Both are awesome motorcycles but I would stick with the Triumph Speed Triple as there are virtually zero KTM dealers anywhere near me here in the US.
I've got a speed triple and no triumph dealers anywhere near me haha I'm the only person in town with a triumph
@@willbuesseler8739 LOL!
So when do we get a comparison between the ktm, triumph, tuono, v4r??
At that level of power you might as well go for the sledgehammer 😂
Triple vs Twin, the most awaited showdown. Both brutally aggressive personality.
I wanted a Triumph Speed Triple, but couldn’t see waiting for the 1200 version, and I really liked the styling of the outgoing 2020 Triumph Speed Triple RS 1050. Then I was thinking I really really liked the 2021 KTM Super Duke 1290 R as the front end looked menacing (sorta like the helmet on The Mandalorian). Both bikes are great in their own rights. So in the end, or beginning of April anyways, I bought them both. I will say the Triumph is silky smooth and comfortable to ride; and the KTM feels like it’s given name “The Beast.” So depending on the mood, will determine which bike to ride. Unless I decide to ride my Harley-Davidson or Ducati Panigale V4S Corse (beautiful bike but it kills my body; so it’s more like $30,000+ “Art” that you just admire 😂)
Every tester ive seen said the Trumpets suspension is to stiff for road use even at the softest settings
i want the 1200 rs with the 1050rs's under pillion dual exhaust by arrow... or atleast the customization option from factory
Triumph all day .... Bmw s1000r vs bmw r1250r ..... have a feeling there will be people surprised on the road results
Doing research between the two recently. I'd gladly watch that
The new BMW S1000 R vs the new Aprilia Tuono 1100 V4 Factory vs this awesome Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS
Yep!!
One headlight on the Triumph? Was a bulb out?
Lots of opinions from people that haven't owned let alone ridden either one. I sent my Ktm down the road and don't miss it (not saying I didn't like it) The new 1200RS in my garage now is a fantastic machine that keeps growing on me
Own a 2021 sdr and it’s brilliant, well built, fast, handles well and above all fun. Triumph is a bit too refined to compete with the KTM for me. Horses for courses
But if you're not a pro biker, you'll look way more ridiculous on the SDR than on the Speed which is really made for road.
I've smoked numerous SDR riders with my old CBR 954 RR (2003 !) on tracks and i was really sorry for them... so much money and nearly no way to handle it at 100% if you're not a pro with intense training coz it's an unchained beast hard to ride at full power...where the Speed is a waaaay easier bike made first of all for road (it's a true roadster not a sportbike with no fairings like the S1000R) and way easier to handle and to live with for lambda riders like both of us. I highly prefer being able to use 90% of a speed than 70% of a SDR and from what i see on roads and tracks for years now, most SDR owners look like affraid pussies on their bikes (i can understand, it's a real monster but you still look ridiculous when everyone overrides you with less powerfull bikes...) Most owners aren't good on tracks or roads, only able to open on straight lines because you have to be Rossi to handle 100% of that engine. The Speed is a way more "average rider friendly" and it's nearly as easy as a 765RS so peeps are pushing it harder and look less ridiculous. My 2 cents
@@Barabassx but I like orange
@@Barabassx you wouldn’t go past me 😉 ps the 1290 isn’t even that fast or difficult to use, you must know a lot of slow riders
Most of the reviews I've seen have said the Triumphs suspension is a little to stiff for the road.
It's ADJUSTABLE....DUH!!!
@@ttrguy9952 even taking account of the adjustability, it is still hard
@@JB-bi5vt The suspension can be dialed so far down that a 180lb person would bottom it out. If you don't weigh at least 180lbs, you can swap springs. No brainer!
@@ttrguy9952 I'm a racing snake though. It was finish that put me off though really.
It feels much cheaper than the old Speed RS
@@ttrguy9952 I don’t think you understand race track valving and street bike valving. One or the other is always Favored, the triumph is valved more for the track. Meaning it favor smooth fast roads. So I have been told. The Ktm fall a little short when pushed on the track but is still very sporty on the road in sport suspension setting.
Great comparison. Fair and honest comments
Like the new SpeedTriple. I bought one of the first 1050 SpeedTriple, ordered in 2004 blind and I was riding it 70tkm in 10 years. This year it was choice between SpeedTriple 2021 and SDR 2021. Decision was not about the engine. I bought the SDR because of: 1) already owned a Speedy for 10 years 2) the rear of the SDR is much nicer design for me, on the Speedy its too low (...at the end the overall design i liked more) 3) SDR is more agile in shorter corners 4) torque in low rev
I own the rs 1050 and think will switch to the SDR next year...
I was a BSA man, and remain a British fan. I assume that the Speed Triple will be built in Thailand where I live. Incidentally, I own a 765RS, which I love best. I also have Ducati SuperSport950 S, and Ninja 400.
trips are built in the UK 🇬🇧 I read
My head picks the Speed Triple as it may prove more reliable and easier to live with. My heart would pick the Super Duke as it’s just bonkers 😛
Fair enough!
@@visordown aprillia RSV4 1100 vs a Yamaha R1 ?
Pls ?
@@p.chakraborty4453 V4 vs I4, you gotta ride them both and decide on your own mate, although the general consensus among my group is that RSV4 is the better bike on and off the track. But then again R1 has such a massive fan following and that engine's soundtrack is killer.
@@bharadghost ya ya , i have rode a I4 before , the thing i love about that is the smoothness , but the V4 has a huge bang , just pulls and pulls like crazy , and the RSV4 soundtrack was the exhaust note of the year , as per as i know , anyways I'll buy em used , so if i get a cheaper R1 , I'll take it , I've currently got my eyes on a 2018 R1M , for 5 lakhs only!! And the RSV4 1100 APRC for the 7 lakhs.😂
Both look badass 😅
Which one would you go around NZ on after commuting on for 6 months
They both should change the looks drasticly , its decades now that they just look the same over and over again :)
Gday Guys
I bought a new SDR last September. There is nothing wrong with my SDR, but I find that it is “too focussed” a machine…. You need to be right up it to make the most of the whole package and it’s exhausting. I’ve had 5 Trumpies, 4 of which had a Triple (inc an S3). I really wish that I had not been impatient and waited to find out what Hinckley were doing with the S3 in 2021 because I will lose a boatload of money if I try and sell it now to get back on a Triumph.
TL:DR I really miss riding a Triumph. I wish I’d held out to get a new S3RS.
Triumph got my money love the speedy
I love the new Triple but Orange Power for me!
How about doing a head to head of the new S1000R Vs the best of the current Nakeds?
The technology of the 1290 Super Duke R dribbles all the way down to the ergonomically comfortable touring friendly 1290 Adventure S; to what similar bike Triumph does the Speed Triple’s technology dribble?
I would not expect the short stroke 1160 to show up in any other Triumph.
2021 gsx-s1000 vs mt10? The Suzi might surprise some people.
You're commenting on the WRONG video!!!
clickbait rubbish, came for a comparison review, found worthless commentary instead
Triumph 💪🇬🇧
Triumph are moving production of the new 1200 RS to Thailand like most of their other models, so they are hardly a British manufacturer anymore.
This "head to head" concept I do not likey. I'd rather watch real shootouts!
What kind of vs was that.. i just got a documentary on both bikes I didn’t see anything go against the other one
KTM 1290 SDR 3.0 is the best naked bike ever. Mine got Austin Racing full exhaust (189 HP), 158 Nm torque, 186 kg. I drove Suzuki B-King (2007), KTM 990 SDR (2010) Ducati Streetfighter (2012), KTM 1290 SDR 1.gen. (2015), 2.gen. (2018). The Best is unbeatable.
S1000r vs 1200 speed triple vs tuono vs streetfighter v4 vs street triple rs vs rs660 vs r7 vs supersport 950s vs suzuki gsxs 1000
I own the SDR 3.0 so obviously that's the bike for me. I've always been a fan of Triumph, but, they lack soul. Not like the KTM thou it's got soul in abundance and that engine 😍is just a beast and sounds awesome.
So thanks Triumph but no thanks.
Super Duke all day every day!
Not to be rude but Bollox KTM all day 😁
Can you make a video with BMW S 1000xr Carbon M Package vs Ducati Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak please 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Good review. Thanks. Can you compare streetfighter v2 agai st mt10
stop changing the volume and get rid of the crappy music
What a brilliant unbiased review
Part of the reason why my next bike is almost certain to be the KTM is that I just loooove V twins. KTM is now the ONLY manufacturer of balls out V-twins, which is a huge shame. I know that the Duc v4 is a "twin pulse" (like a tandem V twin), but there really is no substitute for those big slugs, whatever Ducati claim), and I know that Indian make the FTR, but 120 bhp really isn't comparable (apart from the fact that they are having supply problems atm).
Of course I'll test ride all the competition that I can, but I think it very unlikely that I'll get anything else.
Believe it or not that FTR holy shit forget the numbers that thing is a blast and I'm a numbers guy more than anybody else you test drive that bike you would be hooked and it looks amazing blows the other bikes out of the water looks wise.
Bought an SDR because that high-pitched whine that the three-cylinder gives off just annoys me greatly.
So the KTM clips are from where? Clearly not you riding it 🙈