It's very good that the faults were pointed out instead of telling everyone that it's a great bike. The warning/error codes would put me off buying the 1200rs.
Not had an issue with finding neutral ever. Remember it is supposed to be 2nd then down to neutral.. 1st to 2nd is designed to not allow you to go into neutral easily to avoid it happening accidentally on upshifts and hitting neutral 😀
@richardcerritelli9657 I have two mates with MT10's. On rides together I would say they are very comparable. We have swapped bikes and I would say the rs likes being higher in the revs when rolling on the throttle for it to.be as smooth as the mt10. Not sure how much of that is down to the stock pipes I have on the rs with that horrible exhaust valve bs their mt10 with after market pipes. We have done roll on tests and the rs when in the higher what I call powerband has more torque and pulls away a bit from the mt10s. I had a spd triple R 1050 prior and that had a much "friendlier" low torque feel, not so rough at most revs. The rs likes higher revs and hates pulling from low revs so a downshift of 1 or 2 gears is sometimes required in my experience for it to remain smooth.
@@derekharper6031 so it's basically a track bike so the best thing for a bike like this take 1 tooth off the sprocket it reminds me of my old YZ250 off the road racing bike high torque not good for the street in the city maybe a v-twins better for the street something like a KTM 1290 too bad that bikes it's so unreliable the KTM.
@richardcerritelli9657 no I wouldn't go so far as saying track only. It's my daily commute and very comfortable, very capable and fun..it is like a jeckyl and Hyde
@@derekharper6031 Maybe I will consider it I just hope it has enough torque I'm coming from a Hayabusa that's one thing I love about the Hayabusa and zx1400 they don't only have the horsepower they have to torque and that's where the fun is for me personally High horsepower low torque bikes are not fun like the 1000 Superbike class when I go fast I like torque backing me up to unfortunately the riding positions of the Hayabusa and zx1400 no longer agree with my back neck and shoulders. So I have to downsize.
I've owned this bike now for 5 months and 8000 miles. This is hands down the best review I've seen on the bike. Agree with everything you said, right down to the crap paint. I don't mind the suspension myself. I also have a SDR and found over many miles I prefer the Triumph to my surprise. For commuting the smoother bottom end of the triple is less tiring than the off the line hit of the Duke, especially if you're stuck in heavy stop and go. And get it on the boil and it hauls every bit as hard as the Duke. Not to mention that I've had zero issues with the Triple but the Duke has had 3 major component failures within the first year of ownership. Both absolutely awesome to ride however -think it's hard to pick a bad bike in this category at the moment.
But can't you just adjust the KTM riding mode if you're not in the mood for a hard hit off the bottom just adjust it for rain mode or something then it won't go that fast.
Only doing 700kms and giving a review on a bike is wild. I've done 800 miles on my RR and would just now be able to consider giving a verdict/review on it
You only get them for 2 weeks (press launches are WAYYYY less). After 2 rides I've got a very good idea of most bikes, the rest is just tweaking settings etc
It seems that a lot of the problems have been fixed for the -22 model. I had to choose between 21 & 22 in April since the dealer got both and good thing I bought the newer. Only had 1 issue during 8000km and that was the selecting of track mode which got figured out when I got the bike to the dealer. The speedy for sure comes alive at the track so if you are not taking it there I would recommend one of the rival bikes. All in all really satisfied myself to this bike and will probably own it for many years.
I own one of these (up on my channel if anyone's interested) and the errors and niggles have been insane as well. The Bluetooth navigation is fucking insanity, I spend 20 minutes having to clear down all my Bluetooth connections on both the bike and phone and reconnect (in the middle of nowhere in the rain and cold this is not a great user experience)- messaged triumph with no reply. I got low oil pressure warning light which the manual states do NOT turn the engine back on, and had to ride 60mile to get home. My MCS was broken and is being recalled, brakes are bing re serviced as they are terrible. It's being picked up tomorrow to have all sorts replaced meaning I'm without a bike for the foreseeable few weeks But I still love the bike... It's gorgeous, and just an amazing ride every time.
@@onthebackwheel Cheers- the suspension is probably the best stock setup I've had, but as someone that suffers from back, knew and hip pain from motorbike accidents over the years, and having had it setup to my weight and messed with the damping- it's very stiffly sprung (83kg) and the damping won't take care of that as backing out compression just makes it feel washy, and vague
Me to oil pressure warning and been to the service without solving the issue. Also quick shifter doesn't work.. Bad experience on a new bike that costs so much.
Just collected mine from the dealership. Guess what? Oil pressure warning came on. Turned it off, turned it back on again and it’s disappeared. If it starts playing up then I’ll be sending it straight back for a full refund sharpish. Not paying £15500 for a load of issues.
I have owned my 21 plated RS from new and haven’t had any issues. I have other bikes and so have still only covered 6,000km, I now have no issues selecting neutral and believe the issue is caused by clutch drag when everything is new. The engine, gearbox and quick shifter are all excellent. Great honest and constructive review 😊👍
Very good detailed video.Mine arrives in couple of weeks, i would of liked to demo ride of the SDR and 1000r but local dealers dont offer demo rides, so they miss out, this is my second triumph (first being 765RS) and happy to stick with them.
@@onthebackwheel i got to test ride the speed 1200 yesterday and I did find the quick shifter was a bit lagging on upshift , less lag the more your on it. I found the suspension fine and a lot more plush than my 765 RS. I also found N most of the time which was something i was a bit worried about. Overall a great bike with character.
I always buy Japanese motorcycles, never owned a European, mainly because I like the reliability of the jap bikes, I'm considering buying this bike, how was Triumph reliability in your opinion? Have you had issues with your bikes? Do you recommend buying the extended warranty?
The suspension stiffness problem is mainly caused by the tires, changing the things change drastically. Try another ones . In my case I have tried two, contisport which heats up immediately and grips at s21 levels, and contirace that for me and with the climate of the Canary Islands it is perfect. Since I bought it I have removed two compression clicks, but with the contirace I only remove one because the tire absorbs a lot together with the suspension, doing a perfect duo job. Before the speed 1200 rs I had the 1050 rs so I know what I'm talking about. A friend has also bought it from me and told me that s21 also works very well and another guy told me that with s22 it also works much better. I already have almost 11000 kms on it and I can say that it is the best motorcycle I have ever had, and among them there has been street r 08', tuono factory V2 07', ktm superduke r 17', Speed 1050 rs and currently I also have a Tiger 1050 08'
I took 4 full turns out of the fork spring rate to get the fork correct for 83kg rider, that isnt tyres, took spring rate to the stopper to get 37mm of sag. Way too hard.
Thx Buddy, your review is more than helpful, the suspension has always been a major ? for me although not a deal breaker, like you I believe the suspension, with a few$$ more could be massaged into a more acceptably compliant setting, a bit of a worry that these bikes seem to have a few electronic issues for some owners, maybe the electronic problems are nothing more than new model teething problems that will take another generation for Triumph to sort out, despite having a love affair with this bike since it came out I would probably shelve this years Speed and see how it develops, my current 1050 RS which is, in its own right a fantastic ride will have to keep me on the road for another year.
Great to see an aussie doing a review on a 1200RS on an open road (looks like Victoria Alpine country)......no traffic unlike all those UK reviews Very Good review...really comprehensive.
Here’s what’s funny. When you want neutral it’s hard to find but when you’re using the quick shifter it’s super easy to find when you don’t push the lever hard enough passed neutral in either direction.
Bren Tune gives low RPM a boost and continues throughout the rev range. A must in my opinion for this particular bike. I disagree with his fueling opinion regarding on/off throttle. It's snatchier than I like because it feels like it could upset chassis under hard riding. Aside from off/on fueling behavior it offers really good feel/connection to engine. Spot on with this guys opinion about the suspension, and everything else for that matter. I had a pro adjust the suspension for street riding, which helped a lot.
I had the same issue selecting track. Go in and reset all modes to default. The problem is some sort of illegal setting for one of map/abs/tc (on mine, map was blank). Once reset, you can select track. Mine never froze. I would take that back to the dealer. The key fob is crap, open it up, and jam the 3 fingered contact downward, it's a fvcking force fit and not soldered!!!
I bought the 2021 Tuono V4 1100 base model on 5th December & did 3,000 k's b4 xmas, couldn't be happier. Thats till I CRASHED my 2020 KTM 890 Duke R 2 weeks ago, now laid up for the next 6-8 weeks :-( vids on my channel incl riding the previous speed triple.
Your check engine light was lit up because the ECU is really sensitive it's constantly receiving signals from every part of the bile. Its likely that as you were I think you said you were switching through the modes when it lit up, it probably received a signal when you were between modes settings. The check engine light will stay on until you turn the bike on and off a set period of time or you perform the reset code/sequence . If you get the service manual (usually need to search the web to find a free version ) download it and look through there you will not only find the sequence to reset all the error codes & check engine light, but probably answers to all those other little things that annoy you along with all the solutions that will make them a thing of the past. But then you need to go back and edit in an update
I had the bike for 2 weeks so I can't try that sadly. I can only review and give my experiences I had at the time. Happy for long term owners like yourself to give updates on how it has been for sure
Wow you have some issues there... I have had mine since sept last year 3000kms on it now and not had any of the errors or issues you had. Tank lock is simple and works every time on mine. Also interesting range difference, can get a max of around 260kms from a tank of 95 octane.
I've got 300 miles on my 2023 which is virtually the same. Oil leaks, issues with the maintenance reminder being set for the year 2000 and of course the cherry on top- the torque assist clutch which is acting really funky. It slips, the friction zone is really vague- sometimes its right where it should be other times it takes a bit to find it. The day before it went back to the dealer, it was slipping around a corner and then slammed. The RPM kicking up seems a little issue now. I'm looking forward to a Streetfighter V2 soon.
@@onthebackwheel Yep they are doing a warranty on the Engine and they found they had delivered the bike with the clutch misadjusted that caused all the weird behavior.
The barge pole outrigger for the license plate is all down to the EU nanny state. We adults are not allowed to have a plate that’s within the radius of the tyre because we might chop ourselves in 1/2 with it
what a nice review! i was interested on this bike as i am looking for a new one, but there are so many videos out there with describing issues that i am not even going to try to test ride it. Cheers for the comprehensive review on the bike
A lot of the "errors" have been the reviewer not knowing how to use the TFT dash, you have to turn off traction control BEFORE selecting track mode , for instance.....
I have a 23 Speedie in Baja Orange and your review is spot on! I absolutely love the bike, it's a beast! we call it here in NYC as Gentleman's Hooligan machine! :) DJ
Enjoyed your review lot's of detail 👍 I've watched a few reviews on the Speed triple 1200RS and they all seem to complain about dash error issues so probably not just the bike you tested. Also most complain the suspension is to harsh as you have. Would be interested to know if it's just uncomfortable or does the bike get unsettled over bumps and throw shapes.
Just the compression and rebound. I checked the sag and front preload and it was at the recommended settings but didn't change it. A viewer said they got their preload all set up and they like it now
@@onthebackwheel Im getting mine in the spring, have testet to diffrent demo bikes, the first one felt fine not to stiff, but the second one felt very stiff, so i think the soloution is to change the sag softer then adjust redamp and compression.
I have 6000 miles on mine. First day I set the sag/ preload front and rear to about 2/10 of maximum. After a few weeks of commuting, I went to the Tail of the Dragon (NC- USA) and actually had to stiffen it up a bit. I weigh about 155 lbs naked and take my weight off the seat over concrete bridges and hard bumps on my 100 mole round trip commute. I know the suspension is never going to be plush, but on any sporting bike it shouldn't be. This is my 3rd Triumph, second Speed Triple and by far the best bike I ever owned out of the all my bikes. It does have some quirky dash issues, but I have mostly gotten used to it now, no major issues with it for me so far. Finding neutral was tough at first, but after a few thousand miles and a slight adjustment to the shifter lever (I adjusted it down a bit lower.) I have had mostly no issues finding neutral anymore. Thanks for the video. Stay safe. Keep riding and making videos.
Just a bit more info, I used to work at a Triumph dealership and we found that most bikes come in "set up" for a 180-200 lb rider. Also that most riders of that weight would still want a bit softer setting. Since I dialed mine back up a touch in NC, I have left it and it feels pretty good. I wondered if it took a while to "break in" the suspension.
Can't speak for the Speed Triple, but my street triple was hard to find Neutral, when it was brand new. Now I can go to Neutral every time. Could be from learning the quirks of the bike, or the transmission is properly worn in.
Great review. I would only say: MT10sp is a real rival to Speed. Tuono and street fighter V4- 4to5 K more expensive. R1000S -throttle is absolutely empty , Super Duke- great beast but vibrations are anonymous but color for everyday use - just horrible, Kawa? looks heavy with cheap plastic. And that pretty much it.
@@onthebackwheel ya I’d rather not be spinning my tire in heavy rain like I did last year. Lol but I agree only rain mode in rain for me. Sport and track every other time. Glad you still comment on this vid
My first generation Street Triple R Matte Orange problem is that it nearly always goes to fast. Maybe its the colour !?. And then its the problem with down throtteling with a Leo Vince system, POP POP BOM BOM RRRRRRR. 😄
Wow how dare triumph not engineer the suspension just for you! I suppose these manufacturers should do every bike as a custom setup for each person. But they would charge an extra 3k+. Where a suspension tuner would be under a 1k. 🤷♂️
I have this exact bike and love it. I've found, with the display issue not always behaving on startup can be related to the key fob. Keep the battery in the fob fresh, and sometimes if I turn the fob off and on (the Triumph logo is a button) the bike wakes right up. It's a little odd.
In Europe Aprilia doesn't sell much because its very unreliable and ktm is the worst.. This triumph after youbshort out the first batch baby issues it's ok! Still not unreliable but not as bad as the ones you mentioned... The MT10 is a good bike for sure and you can't go wrong... Triumph is also classy bikes. The quality shows on the bikes in all the metals, you can't compared with the plastic ktms and the Aprilia...
Yup suspension way too hard, I took 4 full turns out of the fork spring rate to get the fork sag correct. Neutral, absolutely difficult, I turn the tip of of my foot in so my boot is on a noticeable angle then I can find Neutral without going past it. Its also far easier 2nd down to Neutral. Track mode, stop, Neutral, select track then push and hold the x select stick, then wait a few seconds without touching throttle. I do it everyday, issue free.
Yeah that suspension is STIFF. Thing is, still a mean bike! Turns out the track mode issue needed a fix at the dealer. Another person had a similar issue and did some crazy work around otherwise it'd just lock up, bizarre.
I had one of the 1st 1200RS in Qld (notice that's where you are) Not one issue, no electrics fault at all. I also replaced the battery in the fob, was given connection issues now and then. After replacing the battery, no more problems. Have the Leiker exhaust and did away with the butterfly valve. (oh repainted it two weeks after it) Here's a video done a while ago ua-cam.com/video/kzUd3eNMZkw/v-deo.html Also regarding the suspension, yep it's hard. I tried the settings mentioned in (I think Ride magazine) Helps, but still would prefer it to be softer. Forks - Compression default 15 clicks from fully in - Rebound default 15 clicks from fully in.: --- Compression all the way out >22 clicks from fully in (Minimum for Compression) --- Rebound 22 clicks out Rear Shock - Compression default 20 clicks from fully in -Rebound default 16 from fully in --- Compression all the way out >22 clicks from fully in --- Rebound 14 clicks from fully in (Added two clicks)
@@onthebackwheel Realised I posted as my other account, ooops... The exhaust or bike? I still have both, bought another end can from Leiker so now I can swap between the two. Agree about the tank, my previous bike was a Super Duke R and got more out of the tank, close to 250kms... Neutral was difficult at first, but now although not the easiest, not too difficult. I also had the bike re-mapped by Pro-Cycle Dyno
Triumph loves to lock you out of certain things only the dealer has the tools for like reseting the service interval and when they do service the bike and get it back no cruise Triumph wants their bikes looked at by the dealer you can turn the fob off to save battery
I I agree Triumph needs to step it up on their color schemes. I wish I could turn wheelie control off without turning traction off. I think triumph blew it with that
I find the supernakeds of today to be ironic. It's almost as if they're no longer designed for street riding and way over powered. At this point, just get a proper superbike and be done with it. I'm looking forward to the new 990 Duke. This makes sense to me. And it may have ridden like a bulldog, but I miss my 2009 Speed Triple.
I love the fob. No more keys attached to keyring scratching the bike. Have a speed triple r with key and Nice to be able to open fuel tank now without a key. Just ensure you turn off the fob when you are near the bike so no one can steal it. Same in the house turn off the fob to avoid anyone scanning the fob
The electronics on vehicles have gone too far. We ride motorcycles, which inconvenience us, we get rained on, ride in hot / cold weather, most of us can tolerate putting a key in a lock. I don't want my bike disabled because a gremlin jumped in the circuitry, or I forgot a fucking password.
Like cars, too much unreliable tech. Annoying. Not necessary. But that seems to be what people want, spending what little time away from work they have to address electronic glitches.
All that race garbage is a waste on a street bike. Having great yank of the brakes is not a good thing either. When these race brakes are operated at race speeds, they work very linearly. It's what they're designed to do. They aren't designed throw you over the handlebars every time you approach a light that's turning red. Good bikes are designed to be varied smoothly and linearly in the range that they're to be operated. Sport mode is even worse. They take what could be a nicely fueled throttle map and turn it into a light switch. Fortunately, manufacturers can make a fortune selling stupid shit to the clueless public.
No fluff, no bullshit intros, just straight to the point, clear and concise information. New sub earned from Singapore.
Thanks mate, good to hear I'm on the right track
It's very good that the faults were pointed out instead of telling everyone that it's a great bike. The warning/error codes would put me off buying the 1200rs.
Thanks, I try my best to tell it how it is warts and all
Not had an issue with finding neutral ever. Remember it is supposed to be 2nd then down to neutral.. 1st to 2nd is designed to not allow you to go into neutral easily to avoid it happening accidentally on upshifts and hitting neutral 😀
How would you compare the fun Factor and low-end torque between this bike and the Yamaha mt-10
@richardcerritelli9657 I have two mates with MT10's. On rides together I would say they are very comparable. We have swapped bikes and I would say the rs likes being higher in the revs when rolling on the throttle for it to.be as smooth as the mt10. Not sure how much of that is down to the stock pipes I have on the rs with that horrible exhaust valve bs their mt10 with after market pipes. We have done roll on tests and the rs when in the higher what I call powerband has more torque and pulls away a bit from the mt10s. I had a spd triple R 1050 prior and that had a much "friendlier" low torque feel, not so rough at most revs. The rs likes higher revs and hates pulling from low revs so a downshift of 1 or 2 gears is sometimes required in my experience for it to remain smooth.
@@derekharper6031 so it's basically a track bike so the best thing for a bike like this take 1 tooth off the sprocket it reminds me of my old YZ250 off the road racing bike high torque not good for the street in the city maybe a v-twins better for the street something like a KTM 1290 too bad that bikes it's so unreliable the KTM.
@richardcerritelli9657 no I wouldn't go so far as saying track only. It's my daily commute and very comfortable, very capable and fun..it is like a jeckyl and Hyde
@@derekharper6031 Maybe I will consider it I just hope it has enough torque I'm coming from a Hayabusa that's one thing I love about the Hayabusa and zx1400 they don't only have the horsepower they have to torque and that's where the fun is for me personally High horsepower low torque bikes are not fun like the 1000 Superbike class when I go fast I like torque backing me up to unfortunately the riding positions of the Hayabusa and zx1400 no longer agree with my back neck and shoulders. So I have to downsize.
I've owned this bike now for 5 months and 8000 miles. This is hands down the best review I've seen on the bike. Agree with everything you said, right down to the crap paint. I don't mind the suspension myself. I also have a SDR and found over many miles I prefer the Triumph to my surprise. For commuting the smoother bottom end of the triple is less tiring than the off the line hit of the Duke, especially if you're stuck in heavy stop and go. And get it on the boil and it hauls every bit as hard as the Duke. Not to mention that I've had zero issues with the Triple but the Duke has had 3 major component failures within the first year of ownership. Both absolutely awesome to ride however -think it's hard to pick a bad bike in this category at the moment.
Good to hear mate and cheers. You're spot on, there isn't a bad super naked right now.
did the gearbox/shifter changed after the break in service? does it still feel spongy? (i just purchased one:) )
@@onthebackwheel oo I
But can't you just adjust the KTM riding mode if you're not in the mood for a hard hit off the bottom just adjust it for rain mode or something then it won't go that fast.
Only doing 700kms and giving a review on a bike is wild. I've done 800 miles on my RR and would just now be able to consider giving a verdict/review on it
You only get them for 2 weeks (press launches are WAYYYY less). After 2 rides I've got a very good idea of most bikes, the rest is just tweaking settings etc
@@onthebackwheel gotcha. I've only had my bike a week, and that 800 miles is after work and 2 days on the weekend so maybe I'm just riding too much 😆
@@dragonslayer1483 you can never ride too much!
It seems that a lot of the problems have been fixed for the -22 model. I had to choose between 21 & 22 in April since the dealer got both and good thing I bought the newer. Only had 1 issue during 8000km and that was the selecting of track mode which got figured out when I got the bike to the dealer.
The speedy for sure comes alive at the track so if you are not taking it there I would recommend one of the rival bikes. All in all really satisfied myself to this bike and will probably own it for many years.
Nice mate, enjoy
I own one of these (up on my channel if anyone's interested) and the errors and niggles have been insane as well. The Bluetooth navigation is fucking insanity, I spend 20 minutes having to clear down all my Bluetooth connections on both the bike and phone and reconnect (in the middle of nowhere in the rain and cold this is not a great user experience)- messaged triumph with no reply.
I got low oil pressure warning light which the manual states do NOT turn the engine back on, and had to ride 60mile to get home.
My MCS was broken and is being recalled, brakes are bing re serviced as they are terrible.
It's being picked up tomorrow to have all sorts replaced meaning I'm without a bike for the foreseeable few weeks
But I still love the bike... It's gorgeous, and just an amazing ride every time.
Good to hear from an owner and it wasn't just me with the Bluetooth! How have you found the suspension?
@@onthebackwheel Cheers- the suspension is probably the best stock setup I've had, but as someone that suffers from back, knew and hip pain from motorbike accidents over the years, and having had it setup to my weight and messed with the damping- it's very stiffly sprung (83kg) and the damping won't take care of that as backing out compression just makes it feel washy, and vague
Me to oil pressure warning and been to the service without solving the issue. Also quick shifter doesn't work..
Bad experience on a new bike that costs so much.
Also own one of these, and had non of the problems you had. Rode already 3000km, and had minor issues - sweat on engine (changed spacers)
Just collected mine from the dealership. Guess what? Oil pressure warning came on. Turned it off, turned it back on again and it’s disappeared. If it starts playing up then I’ll be sending it straight back for a full refund sharpish. Not paying £15500 for a load of issues.
I have owned my 21 plated RS from new and haven’t had any issues. I have other bikes and so have still only covered 6,000km, I now have no issues selecting neutral and believe the issue is caused by clutch drag when everything is new. The engine, gearbox and quick shifter are all excellent. Great honest and constructive review 😊👍
Cheers mate and good to hear. Lovely bike
Very good detailed video.Mine arrives in couple of weeks, i would of liked to demo ride of the SDR and 1000r but local dealers dont offer demo rides, so they miss out, this is my second triumph (first being 765RS) and happy to stick with them.
Enjoy mate. No demos is a bit rude
@@onthebackwheel i got to test ride the speed 1200 yesterday and I did find the quick shifter was a bit lagging on upshift , less lag the more your on it. I found the suspension fine and a lot more plush than my 765 RS. I also found N most of the time which was something i was a bit worried about. Overall a great bike with character.
Great to point out negatives ie small fuel tank and key less problems good review
Appreciate it
Great review Mate, I've had 4 Speedys over the years starting from the T509, all been rock solid, currently a SDR 2.0. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks mate. Looking at a change from the SDR?
SDR's mental, absolutely love it🤣👍
I always buy Japanese motorcycles, never owned a European, mainly because I like the reliability of the jap bikes, I'm considering buying this bike, how was Triumph reliability in your opinion? Have you had issues with your bikes? Do you recommend buying the extended warranty?
The suspension stiffness problem is mainly caused by the tires, changing the things change drastically. Try another ones . In my case I have tried two, contisport which heats up immediately and grips at s21 levels, and contirace that for me and with the climate of the Canary Islands it is perfect. Since I bought it I have removed two compression clicks, but with the contirace I only remove one because the tire absorbs a lot together with the suspension, doing a perfect duo job. Before the speed 1200 rs I had the 1050 rs so I know what I'm talking about. A friend has also bought it from me and told me that s21 also works very well and another guy told me that with s22 it also works much better. I already have almost 11000 kms on it and I can say that it is the best motorcycle I have ever had, and among them there has been street r 08', tuono factory V2 07', ktm superduke r 17', Speed 1050 rs and currently I also have a Tiger 1050 08'
I took 4 full turns out of the fork spring rate to get the fork correct for 83kg rider, that isnt tyres, took spring rate to the stopper to get 37mm of sag.
Way too hard.
I get what you're saying, but it isn't the tyres
Great, balanced review. It's useful to hear of the niggles even if they're not necessarily common 👍🏽
Thanks mate
Thx Buddy, your review is more than helpful, the suspension has always been a major ? for me although not a deal breaker, like you I believe the suspension, with a few$$ more could be massaged into a more acceptably compliant setting, a bit of a worry that these bikes seem to have a few electronic issues for some owners, maybe the electronic problems are nothing more than new model teething problems that will take another generation for Triumph to sort out, despite having a love affair with this bike since it came out I would probably shelve this years Speed and see how it develops, my current 1050 RS which is, in its own right a fantastic ride will have to keep me on the road for another year.
Great to see an aussie doing a review on a 1200RS on an open road (looks like Victoria Alpine country)......no traffic unlike all those UK reviews
Very Good review...really comprehensive.
Thanks mate, appreciate it. I'm in South East QLD, got some great places to ride
Here’s what’s funny. When you want neutral it’s hard to find but when you’re using the quick shifter it’s super easy to find when you don’t push the lever hard enough passed neutral in either direction.
That's definitely not ideal
Dude, I love the submarine sonar soundtrack playing while you give your review.
Haha that would be the bellbirds. They sound great
Great review :) Definitely needs an update
Kubi almışsın bir tane de video yok , alınır mı yorumların neler 10 sp yle bunun arasındayım.
Bren Tune gives low RPM a boost and continues throughout the rev range. A must in my opinion for this particular bike.
I disagree with his fueling opinion regarding on/off throttle.
It's snatchier than I like because it feels like it could upset chassis under hard riding. Aside from off/on fueling behavior it offers really good feel/connection to engine.
Spot on with this guys opinion about the suspension, and everything else for that matter.
I had a pro adjust the suspension for street riding, which helped a lot.
Good info mate. Have you had any luck fixing your on/off throttle issues?
I had the same issue selecting track. Go in and reset all modes to default. The problem is some sort of illegal setting for one of map/abs/tc (on mine, map was blank). Once reset, you can select track. Mine never froze. I would take that back to the dealer. The key fob is crap, open it up, and jam the 3 fingered contact downward, it's a fvcking force fit and not soldered!!!
Now this is good info, cheers mate
Rather the KLR, got to work harder to make it perform. Was using my sons street triple until he sold it last week, magic bike though.
Considering upgrading my RS street to the Speed. Fantastic bike review, the best I’ve seen on this bike! Thank you.
Thanks mate. It's a nice upgrade, got a serious kick in the pants
I bought the 2021 Tuono V4 1100 base model on 5th December & did 3,000 k's b4 xmas, couldn't be happier. Thats till I CRASHED my 2020 KTM 890 Duke R 2 weeks ago, now laid up for the next 6-8 weeks :-( vids on my channel incl riding the previous speed triple.
Mate you need to get off ktms, you keep crashing them!
@@onthebackwheel Lol yeah I know hopefully not the Aprilia
Your check engine light was lit up because the ECU is really sensitive it's constantly receiving signals from every part of the bile. Its likely that as you were I think you said you were switching through the modes when it lit up, it probably received a signal when you were between modes settings. The check engine light will stay on until you turn the bike on and off a set period of time or you perform the reset code/sequence . If you get the service manual (usually need to search the web to find a free version ) download it and look through there you will not only find the sequence to reset all the error codes & check engine light, but probably answers to all those other little things that annoy you along with all the solutions that will make them a thing of the past. But then you need to go back and edit in an update
I had the bike for 2 weeks so I can't try that sadly. I can only review and give my experiences I had at the time. Happy for long term owners like yourself to give updates on how it has been for sure
Wow you have some issues there... I have had mine since sept last year 3000kms on it now and not had any of the errors or issues you had. Tank lock is simple and works every time on mine. Also interesting range difference, can get a max of around 260kms from a tank of 95 octane.
Good to hear mate. Seems very un Triumph (well, modern Triumph) to have issues. Seems a mixed bag ATM, hopefully just teething issues
A lot of people complained it has no low end power my question is do you think a tune will help that because I like low-end torque.
It would help for sure. How much? Hard to say
I've got 300 miles on my 2023 which is virtually the same. Oil leaks, issues with the maintenance reminder being set for the year 2000 and of course the cherry on top- the torque assist clutch which is acting really funky. It slips, the friction zone is really vague- sometimes its right where it should be other times it takes a bit to find it. The day before it went back to the dealer, it was slipping around a corner and then slammed. The RPM kicking up seems a little issue now. I'm looking forward to a Streetfighter V2 soon.
Yikes, sounds like a lemon mate
@@onthebackwheel Yep they are doing a warranty on the Engine and they found they had delivered the bike with the clutch misadjusted that caused all the weird behavior.
Track mode gets locked before first service. I don’t think they unlocked it
Nah, it was just a pain in the ass
The barge pole outrigger for the license plate is all down to the EU nanny state. We adults are not allowed to have a plate that’s within the radius of the tyre because we might chop ourselves in 1/2 with it
Barge pole outrigger, that's a good one
what a nice review! i was interested on this bike as i am looking for a new one, but there are so many videos out there with describing issues that i am not even going to try to test ride it. Cheers for the comprehensive review on the bike
No worries mate. There are so many good super naked bikes too
true that @@onthebackwheel
A lot of the "errors" have been the reviewer not knowing how to use the TFT dash, you have to turn off traction control BEFORE selecting track mode , for instance.....
Great review...
Any heat issues? How does the heat compare to riding a Ducati?
No heat issues and compared to a Ducati it will feel like air-conditioning
I am trying to decide between Speed Triple 1200RS and the BMW S1000R M package.
That's a tough one. The s1000 is a better road bike and that new triple is a peach. Depends what kind of riding you're going to be doing
@@onthebackwheel 80% Work commute, 20% Weekend winding road group riding.
@@mikev6046 my initial thoughts are BMW, but you've got some test rides to go on. Or just get a Tuono 😄
MT10 SP mate 👌👍
Same here
I know im late to this but track mode cant be selected until you turn off traction control.
Good to know mate
I have a 23 Speedie in Baja Orange and your review is spot on! I absolutely love the bike, it's a beast! we call it here in NYC as Gentleman's Hooligan machine! :) DJ
The gentleman's hooligan, great name 😂
Enjoyed your review lot's of detail 👍
I've watched a few reviews on the Speed triple 1200RS and they all seem to complain about dash error issues so probably not just the bike you tested.
Also most complain the suspension is to harsh as you have.
Would be interested to know if it's just uncomfortable or does the bike get unsettled over bumps and throw shapes.
Yeah it's definitely too firm. It was unsettled over bumps, then I tweaked it and was good at higher speeds. The quality is certainly there
Suspension is great if you get it set up for you, quality unit
One of the best reviews of this bike I've seen. Mine is coming next week.
What year is yours?
Thanks! This was a 2021 build, same as 2022
You're lucky those electronic issues where not related to throttle response 😁
Sounds a bit like the VTR firestorm/superhawk, doesn't like anything under 3k rpm but from there upwards it is very linear.
Always liked the vtr, they sound fantastic
I'm a little down on the styling, but that might be down to the lack of bright colours that Speed Triples have traditionally offered.
Bring back Nuclear Red and Roulette Green!!
@@philliprobertlawman2232 absolutely.
Black and grey really aren't cutting it.
@@philliprobertlawman2232 You mean pink? (I owned one and loved the color).
@@1MrBryn nothing but compliments on my flat grey. It is not a kid's bike.
Yeah, all those colours in MotoGP are for the kids.
For finding neutral dropping in from second gear is infinitely easier than first
Same, this bike was a pain either way sadly
Now I'm a little nervous about getting one! What year is yours? My concern is that the dealership is almost 4 hours away.
Great Vid by the way...😀
Thanks mate. This was a 2021 model. Would happily own a Triumph, they are known to be solid
Never had an issue finding neutral. Not on 3 different 1200 RS I have ridden. And you misunderstood suspension settings.
Neutral could just have been mine, can only talk about the one I've got. No mistaking the suspension, it's too hard
Did you set the Sag or just changed damping?
Just the compression and rebound. I checked the sag and front preload and it was at the recommended settings but didn't change it. A viewer said they got their preload all set up and they like it now
@@onthebackwheel Im getting mine in the spring, have testet to diffrent demo bikes, the first one felt fine not to stiff, but the second one felt very stiff, so i think the soloution is to change the sag softer then adjust redamp and compression.
@@mholsen80 no doubt it will help. I got it reasonably close with some adjustments just to the clickers. Everything else is pretty, bloody good
I have 6000 miles on mine. First day I set the sag/ preload front and rear to about 2/10 of maximum. After a few weeks of commuting, I went to the Tail of the Dragon (NC- USA) and actually had to stiffen it up a bit. I weigh about 155 lbs naked and take my weight off the seat over concrete bridges and hard bumps on my 100 mole round trip commute. I know the suspension is never going to be plush, but on any sporting bike it shouldn't be.
This is my 3rd Triumph, second Speed Triple and by far the best bike I ever owned out of the all my bikes.
It does have some quirky dash issues, but I have mostly gotten used to it now, no major issues with it for me so far.
Finding neutral was tough at first, but after a few thousand miles and a slight adjustment to the shifter lever (I adjusted it down a bit lower.) I have had mostly no issues finding neutral anymore.
Thanks for the video. Stay safe. Keep riding and making videos.
Just a bit more info, I used to work at a Triumph dealership and we found that most bikes come in "set up" for a 180-200 lb rider. Also that most riders of that weight would still want a bit softer setting.
Since I dialed mine back up a touch in NC, I have left it and it feels pretty good. I wondered if it took a while to "break in" the suspension.
Can't speak for the Speed Triple, but my street triple was hard to find Neutral, when it was brand new. Now I can go to Neutral every time. Could be from learning the quirks of the bike, or the transmission is properly worn in.
I honestly think it's just tricky to find neutral on the new speed triple
Does they have steering stabilizer?
It's been a while and I can't remember TBH, sorry!
Great review. I would only say: MT10sp is a real rival to Speed. Tuono and street fighter V4- 4to5 K more expensive. R1000S -throttle is absolutely empty , Super Duke- great beast but vibrations are anonymous but color for everyday use - just horrible, Kawa? looks heavy with cheap plastic. And that pretty much it.
Cheers. Tricky thing is, the base Tuono is the same price and I'd have one over the RS
We’ll rain mode also reduces the HP to 88 so ya it does dumb it down so you don’t wreck it
Boring!
@@onthebackwheel ya I’d rather not be spinning my tire in heavy rain like I did last year. Lol but I agree only rain mode in rain for me. Sport and track every other time. Glad you still comment on this vid
@@kodiakrl1094 I'll accept it being used in slippery conditions haha. I try to keep up with comments when I can
My first generation Street Triple R Matte Orange problem is that it nearly always goes to fast. Maybe its the colour !?. And then its the problem with down throtteling with a Leo Vince system, POP POP BOM BOM RRRRRRR. 😄
Those triples do sound good with a pipe
Wow how dare triumph not engineer the suspension just for you!
I suppose these manufacturers should do every bike as a custom setup for each person.
But they would charge an extra 3k+.
Where a suspension tuner would be under a 1k. 🤷♂️
Nah this is too stiff and harsh for nearly everyone unless you are on the track all the time or a heavy guy
I just want to know. How many speed tickets do you have?
Not too many thankfully! I'm pretty good bar the odd squirt in quiet areas
The orange is nice
The Track mode, is the bike still below 1000km?
No, over 3000km. I asked the dealer when I took it back and they had no idea. Another viewer had the same problem and was able to fix it
I have this exact bike and love it. I've found, with the display issue not always behaving on startup can be related to the key fob. Keep the battery in the fob fresh, and sometimes if I turn the fob off and on (the Triumph logo is a button) the bike wakes right up. It's a little odd.
Yeah right. Mean bike
In Europe Aprilia doesn't sell much because its very unreliable and ktm is the worst..
This triumph after youbshort out the first batch baby issues it's ok!
Still not unreliable but not as bad as the ones you mentioned...
The MT10 is a good bike for sure and you can't go wrong...
Triumph is also classy bikes. The quality shows on the bikes in all the metals, you can't compared with the plastic ktms and the Aprilia...
Yup suspension way too hard, I took 4 full turns out of the fork spring rate to get the fork sag correct.
Neutral, absolutely difficult, I turn the tip of of my foot in so my boot is on a noticeable angle then I can find Neutral without going past it.
Its also far easier 2nd down to Neutral.
Track mode, stop, Neutral, select track then push and hold the x select stick, then wait a few seconds without touching throttle. I do it everyday, issue free.
Yeah that suspension is STIFF. Thing is, still a mean bike! Turns out the track mode issue needed a fix at the dealer. Another person had a similar issue and did some crazy work around otherwise it'd just lock up, bizarre.
There’s a new gear link free upgrade in gearbox for easier neutral as of 2023
Thanks mate good to hear, it was a real pain in the ass
YES
In that whole time you didn't start it once ?
Hi, what do you mean exactly?
Nah this bike is perfect ❤
I had one of the 1st 1200RS in Qld (notice that's where you are)
Not one issue, no electrics fault at all. I also replaced the battery in the fob, was given connection issues now and then. After replacing the battery, no more problems.
Have the Leiker exhaust and did away with the butterfly valve. (oh repainted it two weeks after it)
Here's a video done a while ago
ua-cam.com/video/kzUd3eNMZkw/v-deo.html
Also regarding the suspension, yep it's hard. I tried the settings mentioned in (I think Ride magazine)
Helps, but still would prefer it to be softer.
Forks - Compression default 15 clicks from fully in
- Rebound default 15 clicks from fully in.:
--- Compression all the way out >22 clicks from fully in (Minimum for Compression)
--- Rebound 22 clicks out
Rear Shock - Compression default 20 clicks from fully in
-Rebound default 16 from fully in
--- Compression all the way out >22 clicks from fully in
--- Rebound 14 clicks from fully in (Added two clicks)
That's good mate, nice looking exhaust too. Do you still have it
@@onthebackwheel Realised I posted as my other account, ooops...
The exhaust or bike? I still have both, bought another end can from Leiker so now I can swap between the two.
Agree about the tank, my previous bike was a Super Duke R and got more out of the tank, close to 250kms...
Neutral was difficult at first, but now although not the easiest, not too difficult.
I also had the bike re-mapped by Pro-Cycle Dyno
@@striff nice mate. That motor would be even sweeter with a tune
Triumph loves to lock you out of certain things only the dealer has the tools for like reseting the service interval and when they do service the bike and get it back no cruise Triumph wants their bikes looked at by the dealer you can turn the fob off to save battery
Not a trend I'm liking
get a Bt Moto tune ;) goes from like 140 to 170 hp at the wheel and unlocks the euro 5 nannies of doom.
That sounds bloody fantastic
I I agree Triumph needs to step it up on their color schemes. I wish I could turn wheelie control off without turning traction off. I think triumph blew it with that
I find the supernakeds of today to be ironic. It's almost as if they're no longer designed for street riding and way over powered. At this point, just get a proper superbike and be done with it. I'm looking forward to the new 990 Duke. This makes sense to me. And it may have ridden like a bulldog, but I miss my 2009 Speed Triple.
990 is a great size for the street, should be a hoot
I couldn't stand keyless fobs. It's just a solution to a problem that never existed.
I'm not sold on them that's for sure
Once you've had it you miss it on other bikes... rode my wife's S1000R yesterday and kept forgetting to put the key in after each stop.
No issues with my fob on the SDR.........yet 🤣
I love the fob. No more keys attached to keyring scratching the bike. Have a speed triple r with key and Nice to be able to open fuel tank now without a key. Just ensure you turn off the fob when you are near the bike so no one can steal it. Same in the house turn off the fob to avoid anyone scanning the fob
probably best to store a fob battery on the bike somewhere?
It has an angry wasp look, plus the "dicky" stinger that happened to snatch up a license plate...
😂 it does a bit!
NOBODY leaved the "stinger" on...now or ever in the past.
The electronics on vehicles have gone too far. We ride motorcycles, which inconvenience us, we get rained on, ride in hot / cold weather, most of us can tolerate putting a key in a lock. I don't want my bike disabled because a gremlin jumped in the circuitry, or I forgot a fucking password.
I think uou wanna say 18.000 dollars. Not 28
I wish, it is 28+
@onthebackwheel you're Australian, I see..
Like cars, too much unreliable tech. Annoying. Not necessary. But that seems to be what people want, spending what little time away from work they have to address electronic glitches.
All the electronic fuckery makes me want to stay away from these. I absolutely LOVE my Roulette Green 955i.
They are a pain in the ass. Bloody nice bike when everything is working though
All that race garbage is a waste on a street bike. Having great yank of the brakes is not a good thing either. When these race brakes are operated at race speeds, they work very linearly. It's what they're designed to do. They aren't designed throw you over the handlebars every time you approach a light that's turning red. Good bikes are designed to be varied smoothly and linearly in the range that they're to be operated. Sport mode is even worse. They take what could be a nicely fueled throttle map and turn it into a light switch.
Fortunately, manufacturers can make a fortune selling stupid shit to the clueless public.