Here we take a look at my current daily the Yamaha MT10SP and ride back to back the Triumph Speed Triple RS and find out how similar are they! Thanks for watching and don’t forget to subscribe 👍 Cheers Nick 🙏
I’ve had a 2009 Speed Triple (lovely but lots of problems, fork seal leaking, failed rectifier, dead battery and knackered sprag clutch , it had done £2700 miles). I’ve also had (still have) a 2017 MT10, zero problems (one recall for a brake switch), suspension too harsh, brakes a bit average but what an engine and chassis, I sold my wobbly Superduke for it and it’s epic! Brakes and suspension are fixable, it cost £4k less than the SD and would smoke one.
I owned a 07 S3. Mechanically it was pretty sound but the electrical gremlins on that bike..OMG🤦🏽♂️. Once i finally updated the regulator rectifier to a mosfet style and went with a optima red top battery it ran like a champ without issues. I sold that bike with 20k miles on the clock and she was still running strong. I will say my buddy owns a 2016 speedy and he rides it like he stole it everywhere he goes. That thing hasn't gave him a lick of trouble since he bought it back in 2016. Even though my mt has much more power i miss the charm of that old speedy.
I have never tried a MT10 but is a bike I have always had interest in. From the 2021 crop of supernakeds i have tried the Speed Triple 1200 RS, SuperDuke 1290R, Tuono V4 and S1000R. The Tuono still has the most characterful engine but is showing its age. The BMW has an amazing chassis and gearbox but the engine is criminally bland. The KTM is quite good but the Triumph is the best, unquestionably. One of the things i like about a naked bike is the feeling of riding a magic carpet so I prefer a naked that puts nothing in front of my sight. My main concern about the Speed Triple 1200RS is having too much power. Yes, i think these current super naked would be more fun if they had less power. Even if the 1160 engine is more exciting I think my former Speed Triple 1050 was more enjoyable on the road than the new 1200RS. I currently own a Tuono V4R and a Street triple 675R and on a B-road i find the Triumph more fun and one of the reasons is its engine being much more exploitable. That's the reason, going back to Yamaha, that I'm more interested in the 3rd generation MT09 than the MT10. And regarding Triumph, the next Street triple, which I bet will be a 900cc, will probably be the best naked sportsbike of them all.
@@MOTOUK1 Yes. For me the highlight was how plush the suspension is. And is typically a Triumph, great brakes, great suspension, easy to ride, smooth, beautifully made. A fantastic bike, probably the best roadbike on sale today. I love the riding position of the Street Triple, sporty yet confortable. The sound of the 765 motor is awesome, and it has a great top end power. Was not impressed with the graphics of the TFT. On the Speed Triple 1200RS my main critic is also the TFT, too small and slow. The BMW S1000R feels almost as light and nimble as the Street Triple 765RS which is impressive. But the 4 cylinder engine in the BMW, while faster than the 765, has no character.
Hey Bruno, yes agree on the screen, I struggled to see the Rev counter! And agree the dash or layout is either too small on the speed triple or too far away would like it near bars and not all the way down on the headlight. Great bikes though very refined
@@MOTOUK1 have to agree with you on the screen being too far. I love the look of the Speed Triple RS, by far the most beautiful in the segment. And the RR is even better, a work of art. Albeit I'm afraid Triumph went too far when lowering the clip ons. I hope that Triumph also brings a Sprint Sport Tourer with the 1160 engine. The headlights of the Trident Sport 660 are not shared with other model in the line-up. Would Triumph develop these headlights only for this model? I don't think so. I wonder which bikes will have them in the future... Tiger Sport 1200? Sprint ST 1200? Daytona 900?
Agree they both sound good, you can tell on the speed after 6k and the exhaust valve opens awesome sound even on stock can so yes racefit would be super 😮👍
Got a 2023 speed triple love it it is my only bike as for touring i am a rucksack man don't take the kitchen sink as i think you dont need it stop at b+b,s as for bike goes handles and stops mint with michelin power 6 tyres perfect
Buy a normal MT10, get it flashed, revalve the suspension, check some Brembo pads and Hel lines in and still save money over the Speed and crucify your mate on one. Quickshifters and blippers on the road are for those who can’t shift!
Love comments like this. Buy the Volkswagen over the Ferrari and put this, that, one of those, a couple of those, paint it, change the wheels, take out the seats, and sit back and enjoy. LMAO
@@miller98lsc that would make sense if the VW was actually comparable to a Ferrari, where as those 2 are very much hypernaked bikes... The fact you can buy a base model, put in work and come away with it still costing less and out preforming the triple is reason enough the Yam wins.
Currently own a stock Mt10 with de-cat Scorpion end can, however I have an irrational bias to British and Italian bikes and have owned the Speed 1050r with high level arrows, the level of finish and quality of the Triumph is a different level but for me the higher bhp Mt10 is a more enjoyable bike and the crossplane 4 is a sound match for the triple, Cheers Moto UK.
@@triv7252 Agree it would be great if Triumph's were still built in Hinckley or even Meridan, but as a working class lad from London working in the Printing industry sweatshops for over 38 years except feel I can say is Thailand any worse.
Cheers Dave, some folk think just because a bike is manufactured in another country it’s a crap bike. It’s my channel and I have deleted the guy Triv 72 from the channel.
@@MOTOUK1 nice one some people don't live in the real world we would all love a Meridan Triumph. Just seen your new fog screen visor video will check out, thanks Moto UK.
@@sacredgeometry don't know if Triumph customer service is good or not, but I'll still settle for the japanese' reliability over the Triumph... Still have a 23 years old kawasaki ZX12R from 2000 that could probably kill 95% of the bikes out there and had 0 problem with it ! 0 !
@@escanor9920 I have had Japanese bikes Triumph customer support at least here in the UK is better than any of them. Ill get back to you about reliability but Japanese bikes are fantastic so I cant really fault them for that especially Kawasaki's which feel like some of the few Japanese bikes that are still over engineered like they used to be.
Nice congrats 🥳 yes I’m 6,2 and a lot of bikes are getting smaller! Think it’s all about weight but these bikes are not ridden mostly on track they are road bikes, I wish manufacturers would come round to that way of thinking. I guess it’s too many ex racer journalists around
Hey Nick, excellent review. One thing I haven’t been able to find out is what your thought is on the wind-blast of each bike. Tried an MT yesterday, didn’t find it too intrusive (and loved the sound). Waiting for a triumph to be available locally. The thought of the triumph really appeals and I think it looks the best but that MT sound…. I can’t decide :(
Both amazing bikes Richard, I like a cockpit on my bike and when I rode the triumph the dash for me was too low and when I look forward was like I wasn’t on the bike. Great bike just wish the dash was higher. 👍 wind on both its a naked bike. On the Yamaha more screen options
@@MOTOUK1 Yeah get what you're saying mate. Agreed that they are naked bikes, but I have to say that I did not notice any wind blast on the MT10 at xxx speed. Compared to my current multistrada anything over xxx you really do notice it regardless of what screen is fitted.... and I've fitted a few I could start my own shop 😂I was just wondering if one bike was more noticeable than the other ie the low instrument cluster on the Speedy. Not that I'm suggesting you reach xxx on your rides out or anything ;)
The MT10 is so ugly I could never pick it over the Speed Triple. In black the RS is the best looking naked on the market. Not liking looks of the RR version though.
Just an FYI I've run out at 136 mile on the speed triple from above the full line (so about 16l) all in road mode and with various types of riding, motorway, thing, fast, slow etc etc
@@MOTOUK1 nope 😂😂 I've got a video coming out about that soon though 😉 Getting 39-40mpg whereas triumph state 50mpg and 150mile range as you calculated- it's very odd
Seems to me there's not one part on the Yamaha made to look nice. I'm sure they're both great to ride if that's what you want but what happened to styling bikes to look good.
i think the triumph is a really small narrow bike and doesn't feel the quality of the yamaha at all when i sat on one at the bike show this year.no doubt a brilliant bike but felt cheap compared to the yam
Hi I have a question for you I went to the dealership they had an Mt 10 2023 and a Triumph Speed triple 12 rs Orange wow that Triumph look amazing and the overall bike quality looks very well-made just so high-end feel MT 10 not so much actually to me personally feels cheesy very cheap like my question is the low-end power-wise how do you compare these bikes I like low-end torque and Power I'm coming from a Hayabusa and I'm trading it in.
I really did want the RS but settled on the mt because my wife would have stabbed me in my sleep if i spent another 20k on a bike. I have to be honest, being that i own a rsv4 that i only ride when i go to the track or i want to scare the living sh*t out of myself on public streets, i might keep this mt for a couple yrs and trade it in for something less powerful and laid back. Ive been eyeing the speed twin. Thats is the last motor configuration i have yet to try (an inline twin).
Tried both of these bikes recently. I found to be in favour of the Triumph. Build quality was better..Breaks were significantly better. I found it faster....Baffled this video didn't pickup on this. The MT felt dated in short. Only thing I felt held the RS back was the suspension....A tad too hard for my local country rds. Triumph I'd go for. Might Part Ex my Zzr1400 for one.
Super video very detailed. I have one question. What happens to the riding modes on the Yamaha when you flash the ECU with the Woolich racing? Is it possible to enhance one mode for power and keep the other mode intact for general motorbike use?
Hey MotoUK1, What bike should i choose between those ? Found the Triumph beautiful but i think the MT 10 might be a better bick considering price and realibility. Already own the 07 and 09 so i dont really know if i should keep with yamaha beacause i've never add any issue or try something else with the triiumph which is absolutely beautiful... I was considering the tuono also but i need to take peeps on the back of the bike sometimes and the tuono without the tail kit isnt my cupe of tea
Hi 👋 so if you have the MT07 and MT09 then maybe worth having the triumph! However a pillion on the triumph isn’t great so the MT10 is better that way and more a do it all bike. I’m slightly MT10 biased though as I own the MT10SP 😂 both great bikes
@@MOTOUK1 i had own the 07 and 09 sorry *. Thanks for you reply. I think too the MT10 is a better do it all bike... will probably stick with that but i'm biased towards the triumph, i know most dont like the front but i found it very sharp and much better than the olders version ! cheers :)
Great format for review, that was enjoyable. New subscriber here? Sold. I used to ride an old Speed Triple back in the day and it looks like the idea of riding very much "on top" of the bike still remains. My main ride now is the Yamaha VMAX. I'd love to see your thoughts on that, but I recognise it is no longer considered de rigeur.
Hey ✋ i think the SP screen is one of the better TFT out there, all the info on one screen no scrolling through screen after screen 👍 Yamaha got it right first time.
Haha so yes its good tested many and this one offers best ive found no buffeting round lid and keeps some pressure off chest, did a 1500 mile journey with it and all good
would the front suspension not put you off, even when its dialed to the rider it seems it is still to rigid, British roads have lots of bumps and you mentio9n unsettles the bike around the corner if you hit bumps, this is a deal-breaker for me, i have a day test booked but the mo9re i see this issue the more I feel it will be a problem for me... thanks for the review
Hi Karl, the suspension has enough in it to dial out to make it not so stiff. My recommendation would be get it professionally dialled in and tell the tuner what you want. Having had many bikes i used to soften them up on my touring bikes to give more a plush ride. Depends what you need from it really. But yes the Triple RS is stiff out the box.
I don’t I’m saying at back wheel not at crank So stock at crank is 157bhp at crank, at rear wheel it’s 142bhp After ecu flash 154bhp at rear wheel, so I gained about 12bhp after tune at rear wheel
Everyone even the dealer warned me that the new gearboxes on the speed would make finding neutral difficult for the first few (500-1000 I think he said, I forget) miles. Regardless I have found that its not that bad. You just have to be really light footed with it and realise that there is a slight delay on the gear readout so to be patient with it. The clutch is quite heavy (at least compared to my last bike which was incredibly light) though which makes it a little bit more of a pain.
You're getting 44mpg on a decat/ flash mt10 you're obviously doing something we're not here in the states. Last-gen mt10 got about 30, as Yamaha advertised. Decat, exhaust and Flash and my has fallen two more like 25 MPG. Absolutely no way you're going to get that kind of a mileage how does a tuned decatted mt10!
Depends how you ride, it’s thirsty as it’s an R1 motor. After I had it tuned I get more mpg. Normally I get to 130 miles and look for a station. On motorway touring I’ve had between 150 to 170 miles.
44.5 mpg on the Yamaha? No way, ever! It's a good day when I just barely pass the 29 mpg range in the mixed riding of daily life. If I locked it in cruise for the tank full, maybe 32 or so mpg but that's not this bike's environment. I've owned mine for 4 years and follow reports on UA-cam of other reviewer's. You're just quoting propaganda on this point. Reliability and problem free this motorcycle is with a fine sense of power and grunt. Mine is the standard version.
I was stating Yamaha factory and triumph factory figures, of course these are manufacture best case scenario figures. Not real case figures as I would need to ride the triumph longer to get these. Tbh I think the Yamaha best case figure is spot on as I once had 178 miles on motorway at 70 mph on a full tank. But on normal riding I get approx 130miles to a tank. Was better from a stock bike on mpg after I had the bike tuned on a dyno and fuelling corrected.
@@MOTOUK1 Thanks for the patient response. I'm always in the 29mpg range, occasionally in the 28's when checking with my calculator. In these almost 4 years of ownership I've only slightly gone over 30 mpg once or twice. I'm 73 year old and ride it less aggressively then many yet still often wind it out with glee when out-of-town. It's absolutely astounding to me to hear of your considerably greater mileage performance albeit I've never ridden to an empty tank since my fuel gauge starts flashing the low symbol, again generally after 90 miles of travel. I guess I'll have to carry a reserve can and learn the limitations. You gotta admit the fuel gauge leaves something to be desired with it's big leaps in reported content. All the best, pal!
Hi 👋 Jonny, thanks for the response, with most bikes over the years I couldn’t say I trusted the fuel gauges but this one seamed accurate and I went out with a spare can just to see on fast and mixed riding what I could get to running out ua-cam.com/video/rDpYKYvMYvA/v-deo.html
I would say the Yamaha but always hesitated with the MT-10 because of it's inferior brakes. Triumph too bland sounding and the ride too stiff, not compliant enough for the road. Loved the previous gen Speed Triple but it didn't have enough grunt compared to it's competitors. So for me it is the SDR 3.0, stonking engine, bags of character and it can handle as well as stop plus the electronics don't limit your enjoyment. And it's orange.
Huge difference? I tested the speedy Saturday. Think they had it in sport mode. Absolutely love Triumphs and pretty much everything about it was amazing. Twisting the throttle just didn't do it for me coming from my 1290 though. Will an ecu flash/tune wake the speedy up? My 1290 has airbox, stacks, geared down, decat AR pipe, tune so not a super fair comparison. I cracked the throttle open in second and got nothing. The 1290 will come up in 4th.
@@joshsmith-qi3ph it's mostly because when the traction control setting is set to track it allows the power to shine through so much harder, because TC isn't trying to keep the wheel on the floor. The induction noise is louder and comes on earlier in the rpm range too - it feels like a different bike in track compared to road or sport. The front comes up A LOT in track mode if that's what you're wanting.
Also I feel that the yamaha mt line is common its like r1 and r6 every tom dick and Harry owns one. I really believe for that reason alone I wouldn't touch them (r1 and r6 that is) Its just a bit like okay look another yamaha..Great lol like how can you go to a bike meet owning an r6 or r1. You're no different to the random people who turn up without bikes lol. Now triumph rs vs mt10 sp to be honest the mt10 stans more a chance being the sp model. However if it was none sp wouldn't even look at the mt10 twice. Even this sp on paper is less of a bike than the triple
The speed triple is nice but that front end could have been sorted a lot better if they'd have put a mini fairing on it with those lights to make them look less weird.
You can buy a triumph fairing. I did. It does make the front end complete. I dont know why it isnt as standard (I guess its the "style" they are competing with at the moment) and an opportunity to show that its an option but it isn't that expensive.
@@ur2slob724 fair enough, first I've heard of anyone calling it gutless. I used to be on tuned ZX14/RSV4/S1000RR's before the 1200 RS and I couldn't be happier with the power.
@@marcpec11 I still have my s1000rr but I wanted a naked to run around in. Previously owned a 675 street that I adored I had high expectations for the speedy. But the power wasn’t there.. numbers don’t lie I guess. If they make a 200hp version I’ll be the first to put my name down The zh2 makes the speedy feel like a broken 600 😂 Heck the zh2 makes the zx14 feel slow I do like my power though my f6 falcon just made 690rwkw and it’s starting to feel slow
@@MOTOUK1 You say that you also had an ECU flash; so fairly modified then, especially if it does make 154 at the wheel. Enough to make the comparison of no interest to me. Otherwise (apart from low sound levels) I enjoyed it.
@@MOTOUK1 for track the speed triple chassis better than an R1 chassis !?😯 I'm really not sure about it... If you're better on the road you can't be better on the track too. It's one or the other but it can't be both. Being better on road suggest a more "polyvalent chassis" therefore less specialized for track which requires stiffness, that won't give you as much comfort on the road...
😂😂 why so aggressive! Triumph are into racing, British super sport championship, exclusive engine supplier to the FIM Moto2™ World Championship since the start of the 2019 season to date. It has a better chassis than the MT10SP, I should know I’ve ridden it for nearly 4 years.
@@NWSTRX850 I have a ,2015 R1 that is my trackday bike with full k-tech suspension and the swingarm.mods. test road an RS and the chassis is brilliant tips in and holds a line. But it's all down to setup. People say the suspension on the RS is stiff. I'm 100kg plus kit and a found the suspension good so ?
Here we take a look at my current daily the Yamaha MT10SP and ride back to back the Triumph Speed Triple RS and find out how similar are they! Thanks for watching and don’t forget to subscribe 👍 Cheers Nick 🙏
I’ve had a 2009 Speed Triple (lovely but lots of problems, fork seal leaking, failed rectifier, dead battery and knackered sprag clutch , it had done £2700 miles).
I’ve also had (still have) a 2017 MT10, zero problems (one recall for a brake switch), suspension too harsh, brakes a bit average but what an engine and chassis, I sold my wobbly Superduke for it and it’s epic! Brakes and suspension are fixable, it cost £4k less than the SD and would smoke one.
I owned a 07 S3. Mechanically it was pretty sound but the electrical gremlins on that bike..OMG🤦🏽♂️. Once i finally updated the regulator rectifier to a mosfet style and went with a optima red top battery it ran like a champ without issues. I sold that bike with 20k miles on the clock and she was still running strong. I will say my buddy owns a 2016 speedy and he rides it like he stole it everywhere he goes. That thing hasn't gave him a lick of trouble since he bought it back in 2016. Even though my mt has much more power i miss the charm of that old speedy.
I have never tried a MT10 but is a bike I have always had interest in. From the 2021 crop of supernakeds i have tried the Speed Triple 1200 RS, SuperDuke 1290R, Tuono V4 and S1000R. The Tuono still has the most characterful engine but is showing its age. The BMW has an amazing chassis and gearbox but the engine is criminally bland. The KTM is quite good but the Triumph is the best, unquestionably. One of the things i like about a naked bike is the feeling of riding a magic carpet so I prefer a naked that puts nothing in front of my sight. My main concern about the Speed Triple 1200RS is having too much power. Yes, i think these current super naked would be more fun if they had less power. Even if the 1160 engine is more exciting I think my former Speed Triple 1050 was more enjoyable on the road than the new 1200RS. I currently own a Tuono V4R and a Street triple 675R and on a B-road i find the Triumph more fun and one of the reasons is its engine being much more exploitable. That's the reason, going back to Yamaha, that I'm more interested in the 3rd generation MT09 than the MT10. And regarding Triumph, the next Street triple, which I bet will be a 900cc, will probably be the best naked sportsbike of them all.
All nice bikes in there own, the speed triple rs is a beast, have you tried the street triple 765?
@@MOTOUK1 Yes. For me the highlight was how plush the suspension is. And is typically a Triumph, great brakes, great suspension, easy to ride, smooth, beautifully made. A fantastic bike, probably the best roadbike on sale today. I love the riding position of the Street Triple, sporty yet confortable. The sound of the 765 motor is awesome, and it has a great top end power. Was not impressed with the graphics of the TFT. On the Speed Triple 1200RS my main critic is also the TFT, too small and slow. The BMW S1000R feels almost as light and nimble as the Street Triple 765RS which is impressive. But the 4 cylinder engine in the BMW, while faster than the 765, has no character.
Hey Bruno, yes agree on the screen, I struggled to see the Rev counter! And agree the dash or layout is either too small on the speed triple or too far away would like it near bars and not all the way down on the headlight. Great bikes though very refined
@@MOTOUK1 have to agree with you on the screen being too far. I love the look of the Speed Triple RS, by far the most beautiful in the segment. And the RR is even better, a work of art. Albeit I'm afraid Triumph went too far when lowering the clip ons. I hope that Triumph also brings a Sprint Sport Tourer with the 1160 engine. The headlights of the Trident Sport 660 are not shared with other model in the line-up. Would Triumph develop these headlights only for this model? I don't think so. I wonder which bikes will have them in the future... Tiger Sport 1200? Sprint ST 1200? Daytona 900?
Can’t beat that supercharged zh2
what a great and complete review, the 1200 rs is in the shortlist so the info you provided is very helpful, thank you.
Thanks 🙏
Awesome reviews of two awesome bikes. That's how a comparison should be delivered. Thanks 👍✌
Thanks Giovanni 🙏👍
Excellent, thorough review. Keep up the quality work and your channel will grow big.
Really love the sound of those MT10 s! The 1200 Speed with a Racefit is amazing as well, awesome bike the new Speed.
Agree they both sound good, you can tell on the speed after 6k and the exhaust valve opens awesome sound even on stock can so yes racefit would be super 😮👍
Excellent review. Great job. Thank you. It looks like I should have both :)
You can never have enough bikes 😂👍
What an honest review. I have subscribed.
Thanks 🙏 appreciated always good to get feedback 👍
Great video both fantastic bikes stay safe looking forward to more videos 🇬🇧👍
Thanks Richard 🙏👍
Got a 2023 speed triple love it it is my only bike as for touring i am a rucksack man don't take the kitchen sink as i think you dont need it stop at b+b,s as for bike goes handles and stops mint with michelin power 6 tyres perfect
Buy a normal MT10, get it flashed, revalve the suspension, check some Brembo pads and Hel lines in and still save money over the Speed and crucify your mate on one.
Quickshifters and blippers on the road are for those who can’t shift!
Love comments like this. Buy the Volkswagen over the Ferrari and put this, that, one of those, a couple of those, paint it, change the wheels, take out the seats, and sit back and enjoy. LMAO
Sort person to paint a breast of chicken red and call it a fillet steak 😂
@@miller98lsc that would make sense if the VW was actually comparable to a Ferrari, where as those 2 are very much hypernaked bikes... The fact you can buy a base model, put in work and come away with it still costing less and out preforming the triple is reason enough the Yam wins.
I have a 2019 standard MT10 (Non SP) It is a hard bike to beat on the road, especially for he price. The win for Yamaha is reliability.
They are great bikes 👍
Good sound on the mt10! Like a muscle car
It is great isn’t it, that CP4 engine one of the best 👍
Currently own a stock Mt10 with de-cat Scorpion end can, however I have an irrational bias to British and Italian bikes and have owned the Speed 1050r with high level arrows, the level of finish and quality of the Triumph is a different level but for me the higher bhp Mt10 is a more enjoyable bike and the crossplane 4 is a sound match for the triple, Cheers Moto UK.
Cheers Dave great to get feedback 👍 that CP4 sound is good 👍
@@MOTOUK1 yes almost sounds V4ish, loving my Mt10 great video thanks.
@@triv7252 Agree it would be great if Triumph's were still built in Hinckley or even Meridan, but as a working class lad from London working in the Printing industry sweatshops for over 38 years except feel I can say is Thailand any worse.
Cheers Dave, some folk think just because a bike is manufactured in another country it’s a crap bike. It’s my channel and I have deleted the guy Triv 72 from the channel.
@@MOTOUK1 nice one some people don't live in the real world we would all love a Meridan Triumph. Just seen your new fog screen visor video will check out, thanks Moto UK.
I'd go for the reliability of Yam. Plus Triumph's customer service is pretty poor.
It isn't. Triumphs customer service is absolutely world class. They have been absolutely great.
@@sacredgeometry don't know if Triumph customer service is good or not, but I'll still settle for the japanese' reliability over the Triumph...
Still have a 23 years old kawasaki ZX12R from 2000 that could probably kill 95% of the bikes out there and had 0 problem with it ! 0 !
@@escanor9920 I have had Japanese bikes Triumph customer support at least here in the UK is better than any of them. Ill get back to you about reliability but Japanese bikes are fantastic so I cant really fault them for that especially Kawasaki's which feel like some of the few Japanese bikes that are still over engineered like they used to be.
Good comparison!
Thanks Alex 🙏👍
Thanks for the great review, just sold my SP, not sure if that was a good move, never mind can always get another 😀
Thanks Phil, sorry to see you sold it. Plenty around for sale.
Yeah must of had a senior moment, keep up the good work, appreciate the time and effort you put into your vids,
Cheers Phil 🍻
The triumph is far superior for the aggressive rider.
Both lovely, pick my mt10 sp up Saturday. Triumphs just seem to be getting smaller and smaller.
Nice congrats 🥳 yes I’m 6,2 and a lot of bikes are getting smaller! Think it’s all about weight but these bikes are not ridden mostly on track they are road bikes, I wish manufacturers would come round to that way of thinking. I guess it’s too many ex racer journalists around
@@MOTOUK1 100% mate.
Hey Nick, excellent review. One thing I haven’t been able to find out is what your thought is on the wind-blast of each bike. Tried an MT yesterday, didn’t find it too intrusive (and loved the sound). Waiting for a triumph to be available locally. The thought of the triumph really appeals and I think it looks the best but that MT sound…. I can’t decide :(
Both amazing bikes Richard, I like a cockpit on my bike and when I rode the triumph the dash for me was too low and when I look forward was like I wasn’t on the bike. Great bike just wish the dash was higher. 👍 wind on both its a naked bike. On the Yamaha more screen options
@@MOTOUK1 Yeah get what you're saying mate. Agreed that they are naked bikes, but I have to say that I did not notice any wind blast on the MT10 at xxx speed. Compared to my current multistrada anything over xxx you really do notice it regardless of what screen is fitted.... and I've fitted a few I could start my own shop 😂I was just wondering if one bike was more noticeable than the other ie the low instrument cluster on the Speedy. Not that I'm suggesting you reach xxx on your rides out or anything ;)
I find any naked bike ok as clean air, problems start when you add screens, best one I found for summer is the puig sport screen I use
@@richardmatthew3419 I think the mt10 has better wind protection
Very good review🤙🔥Mt 10 sounds mean, 🔥Tuono v4rr my nr 1✊
Thanks Helge, yes i love both sounds MT10 and Tuono 🙏👍
The MT10 is so ugly I could never pick it over the Speed Triple. In black the RS is the best looking naked on the market. Not liking looks of the RR version though.
Just an FYI I've run out at 136 mile on the speed triple from above the full line (so about 16l) all in road mode and with various types of riding, motorway, thing, fast, slow etc etc
Cool well not so I hope you got to a petrol station just in time 👍
@@MOTOUK1 nope 😂😂 I've got a video coming out about that soon though 😉
Getting 39-40mpg whereas triumph state 50mpg and 150mile range as you calculated- it's very odd
Very odd that’s less than the mt10 😂
Seems to me there's not one part on the Yamaha made to look nice. I'm sure they're both great to ride if that's what you want but what happened to styling bikes to look good.
i think the triumph is a really small narrow bike and doesn't feel the quality of the yamaha at all when i sat on one at the bike show this year.no doubt a brilliant bike but felt cheap compared to the yam
Hi I have a question for you I went to the dealership they had an Mt 10 2023 and a Triumph Speed triple 12 rs Orange wow that Triumph look amazing and the overall bike quality looks very well-made just so high-end feel MT 10 not so much actually to me personally feels cheesy very cheap like my question is the low-end power-wise how do you compare these bikes I like low-end torque and Power I'm coming from a Hayabusa and I'm trading it in.
The triumph is more linear on power so better than the MT10, which is midrange up so the 12RS will feel better power delivery
I really did want the RS but settled on the mt because my wife would have stabbed me in my sleep if i spent another 20k on a bike. I have to be honest, being that i own a rsv4 that i only ride when i go to the track or i want to scare the living sh*t out of myself on public streets, i might keep this mt for a couple yrs and trade it in for something less powerful and laid back. Ive been eyeing the speed twin. Thats is the last motor configuration i have yet to try (an inline twin).
Awesome try the speed twin when you get chance they are brilliant
Tried both of these bikes recently.
I found to be in favour of the Triumph.
Build quality was better..Breaks were significantly better.
I found it faster....Baffled this video didn't pickup on this.
The MT felt dated in short.
Only thing I felt held the RS back was the suspension....A tad too hard for my local country rds.
Triumph I'd go for.
Might Part Ex my Zzr1400 for one.
The triumph is mentally fast for sure but I own the MT10SP so slightly biased 😂👍 thanks for tuning in. Nick
I respect your view....We all have slight difference wants I guess.
Torque is important to me...Lower reving engines too.
Very good comparison love how you commented on onecthe straight to the other machine..But that Yam is butt ugly..
Thanks 🙏 We all have different tastes, had the MT10SP for 5 years and i like it. But i like most bikes 😂
I'd take the Triumph, however I have to admit to being very biased!
I’d take the triumph too 😂😂
Super video very detailed.
I have one question. What happens to the riding modes on the Yamaha when you flash the ECU with the Woolich racing? Is it possible to enhance one mode for power and keep the other mode intact for general motorbike use?
Yes you just tell the tuner what you would like the throttle map to be really all maps are configurable in woolich software. 👍
@@MOTOUK1 Thank you!!
Hey MotoUK1,
What bike should i choose between those ? Found the Triumph beautiful but i think the MT 10 might be a better bick considering price and realibility. Already own the 07 and 09 so i dont really know if i should keep with yamaha beacause i've never add any issue or try something else with the triiumph which is absolutely beautiful... I was considering the tuono also but i need to take peeps on the back of the bike sometimes and the tuono without the tail kit isnt my cupe of tea
Hi 👋 so if you have the MT07 and MT09 then maybe worth having the triumph! However a pillion on the triumph isn’t great so the MT10 is better that way and more a do it all bike. I’m slightly MT10 biased though as I own the MT10SP 😂 both great bikes
@@MOTOUK1 i had own the 07 and 09 sorry *. Thanks for you reply. I think too the MT10 is a better do it all bike... will probably stick with that but i'm biased towards the triumph, i know most dont like the front but i found it very sharp and much better than the olders version ! cheers :)
Great format for review, that was enjoyable. New subscriber here? Sold. I used to ride an old Speed Triple back in the day and it looks like the idea of riding very much "on top" of the bike still remains. My main ride now is the Yamaha VMAX. I'd love to see your thoughts on that, but I recognise it is no longer considered de rigeur.
Hi and thanks for the sub👍 never ridden the V max and don’t have access to one atm sorry 😞 would love to ride one though
How does the latest screen on the SP compare to the others you’ve tried?
Hey ✋ i think the SP screen is one of the better TFT out there, all the info on one screen no scrolling through screen after screen 👍 Yamaha got it right first time.
Sorry but I meant the pyramid screen
Haha so yes its good tested many and this one offers best ive found no buffeting round lid and keeps some pressure off chest, did a 1500 mile journey with it and all good
would the front suspension not put you off, even when its dialed to the rider it seems it is still to rigid, British roads have lots of bumps and you mentio9n unsettles the bike around the corner if you hit bumps, this is a deal-breaker for me, i have a day test booked but the mo9re i see this issue the more I feel it will be a problem for me... thanks for the review
Hi Karl, the suspension has enough in it to dial out to make it not so stiff. My recommendation would be get it professionally dialled in and tell the tuner what you want. Having had many bikes i used to soften them up on my touring bikes to give more a plush ride. Depends what you need from it really. But yes the Triple RS is stiff out the box.
People view the diavel as a cruiser naked bike the mt10 in that regard is a naked adventure bike
how come on the MT10, you have less HP after ECU flash than you did to begin with?
I don’t I’m saying at back wheel not at crank
So stock at crank is 157bhp at crank, at rear wheel it’s 142bhp
After ecu flash 154bhp at rear wheel, so I gained about 12bhp after tune at rear wheel
How do you keep your MT so clean bearing in mind you do use it ?
Acf50 twice a year and I clean it a lot. Paint has a coating on so keeps it clean
Everyone even the dealer warned me that the new gearboxes on the speed would make finding neutral difficult for the first few (500-1000 I think he said, I forget) miles.
Regardless I have found that its not that bad.
You just have to be really light footed with it and realise that there is a slight delay on the gear readout so to be patient with it.
The clutch is quite heavy (at least compared to my last bike which was incredibly light) though which makes it a little bit more of a pain.
Great comparison. What’s your height? Just wondering how I’d fit on them myself at 6 ft tall. : )
Thanks 🙏 I am 6’2 tall so you’ll be ok on both bikes
@@MOTOUK1 good to know, thanks! I currently have a speed twin and just feel too cramped as a bigger guy. Would you say the speed triple is roomier?
@@theguitarhero898 Yes the bike has more room than the Speed Twin
You're getting 44mpg on a decat/ flash mt10 you're obviously doing something we're not here in the states. Last-gen mt10 got about 30, as Yamaha advertised. Decat, exhaust and Flash and my has fallen two more like 25 MPG. Absolutely no way you're going to get that kind of a mileage how does a tuned decatted mt10!
Less than 36mpg for the MT 10 WOW...... A fellow I spoke to said, when he took one for a test ride it did 24mpg.....
Depends how you ride, it’s thirsty as it’s an R1 motor. After I had it tuned I get more mpg. Normally I get to 130 miles and look for a station. On motorway touring I’ve had between 150 to 170 miles.
@@MOTOUK1 right OK no worries. Ta
Yamaha is a good bike, and won't be in the shop as often as the Triumph. I chose reliability when I'm 500 miles from home.
44.5 mpg on the Yamaha? No way, ever! It's a good day when I just barely pass the 29 mpg range in the mixed riding of daily life. If I locked it in cruise for the tank full, maybe 32 or so mpg but that's not this bike's environment. I've owned mine for 4 years and follow reports on UA-cam of other reviewer's. You're just quoting propaganda on this point. Reliability and problem free this motorcycle is with a fine sense of power and grunt. Mine is the standard version.
I was stating Yamaha factory and triumph factory figures, of course these are manufacture best case scenario figures. Not real case figures as I would need to ride the triumph longer to get these. Tbh I think the Yamaha best case figure is spot on as I once had 178 miles on motorway at 70 mph on a full tank. But on normal riding I get approx 130miles to a tank. Was better from a stock bike on mpg after I had the bike tuned on a dyno and fuelling corrected.
@@MOTOUK1 Thanks for the patient response. I'm always in the 29mpg range, occasionally in the 28's when checking with my calculator. In these almost 4 years of ownership I've only slightly gone over 30 mpg once or twice. I'm 73 year old and ride it less aggressively then many yet still often wind it out with glee when out-of-town. It's absolutely astounding to me to hear of your considerably greater mileage performance albeit I've never ridden to an empty tank since my fuel gauge starts flashing the low symbol, again generally after 90 miles of travel. I guess I'll have to carry a reserve can and learn the limitations. You gotta admit the fuel gauge leaves something to be desired with it's big leaps in reported content. All the best, pal!
Hi 👋 Jonny, thanks for the response, with most bikes over the years I couldn’t say I trusted the fuel gauges but this one seamed accurate and I went out with a spare can just to see on fast and mixed riding what I could get to running out ua-cam.com/video/rDpYKYvMYvA/v-deo.html
How was the clutch pull on the triumph compared to the yamaha? 👍🤪🇨🇦
Similar tbh 👍
I would say the Yamaha but always hesitated with the MT-10 because of it's inferior brakes. Triumph too bland sounding and the ride too stiff, not compliant enough for the road. Loved the previous gen Speed Triple but it didn't have enough grunt compared to it's competitors. So for me it is the SDR 3.0, stonking engine, bags of character and it can handle as well as stop plus the electronics don't limit your enjoyment. And it's orange.
Love thee SDR 👍
The Triumph has fully adjustable suspension so how is it too firm ?
Yeah it's going to brake down like all KTM'S this days
@@lukaszg74 ALL KTMs do not break down. Stupid comment.
@@alexmorgan3435 they do , nothing but problems . KTM = keeps taking money 💰
Coming from an owner: test ride the Speed Triple 1200 RS in track mode, the engine goes from a puppy to absolutely savage.
Huge difference? I tested the speedy Saturday. Think they had it in sport mode. Absolutely love Triumphs and pretty much everything about it was amazing. Twisting the throttle just didn't do it for me coming from my 1290 though. Will an ecu flash/tune wake the speedy up? My 1290 has airbox, stacks, geared down, decat AR pipe, tune so not a super fair comparison. I cracked the throttle open in second and got nothing. The 1290 will come up in 4th.
@@joshsmith-qi3ph it's mostly because when the traction control setting is set to track it allows the power to shine through so much harder, because TC isn't trying to keep the wheel on the floor. The induction noise is louder and comes on earlier in the rpm range too - it feels like a different bike in track compared to road or sport. The front comes up A LOT in track mode if that's what you're wanting.
@@marcpec11 the front already comes up a lot in sport mode! I didn't even try track mode yet.
Yeah I have the spd 1200 Rs , it’s an absolute beast
Let get it straight, mt10 is a great bike no doubt, but u feel more special when riding speed triple. FACTS
Correct 👍
Also I feel that the yamaha mt line is common its like r1 and r6 every tom dick and Harry owns one. I really believe for that reason alone I wouldn't touch them (r1 and r6 that is)
Its just a bit like okay look another yamaha..Great lol like how can you go to a bike meet owning an r6 or r1. You're no different to the random people who turn up without bikes lol.
Now triumph rs vs mt10 sp to be honest the mt10 stans more a chance being the sp model.
However if it was none sp wouldn't even look at the mt10 twice. Even this sp on paper is less of a bike than the triple
The speed triple is nice but that front end could have been sorted a lot better if they'd have put a mini fairing on it with those lights to make them look less weird.
Agree, it’s too naked
@@MOTOUK1 it worked with the old round headlights but these bug ones just look like the fairing has fell off.
It exists. Is called the speed triple 1200RR
Yes can’t wait to get hold of the RR
You can buy a triumph fairing. I did. It does make the front end complete. I dont know why it isnt as standard (I guess its the "style" they are competing with at the moment) and an opportunity to show that its an option but it isn't that expensive.
I just cant get passed the hideous bug heads on the triples
I don’t think they are as bad as the older gen. I have the new Street Triple 765 RS it’s lovely in cosmic yellow
Both were on my list
Triumph felt gutless
Yamaha sounded great
Ended up with a zh2
ZH2 has plenty of power for sure!
Probably should have put the Triumph in track mode, Sport and Road modes totally remove the brutality of the power delivery.
@@marcpec11 I was in track the whole time.
Was ok still felt gutless compared to the zh2 i ended up picking up
@@ur2slob724 fair enough, first I've heard of anyone calling it gutless. I used to be on tuned ZX14/RSV4/S1000RR's before the 1200 RS and I couldn't be happier with the power.
@@marcpec11 I still have my s1000rr but I wanted a naked to run around in.
Previously owned a 675 street that I adored I had high expectations for the speedy. But the power wasn’t there.. numbers don’t lie I guess. If they make a 200hp version I’ll be the first to put my name down
The zh2 makes the speedy feel like a broken 600 😂
Heck the zh2 makes the zx14 feel slow
I do like my power though my f6 falcon just made 690rwkw and it’s starting to feel slow
MT10 SP for me.
Cheers Expat, which lovely part of the world are you in ? 🙏👍
@@MOTOUK1
I'm an expat in UK. Word play.
A pretty irrelevant comparison when one is so highly modified. Treat the video as just a look at two different bikes and it is enjoyable.
Hardly modified at all Michael, only a decat and end can, other mods are only cosmetic. Both bikes are relevant today in the naked class
@@MOTOUK1 You say that you also had an ECU flash; so fairly modified then, especially if it does make 154 at the wheel. Enough to make the comparison of no interest to me. Otherwise (apart from low sound levels) I enjoyed it.
Man, MT 10 Best sound among the naked bikes? THE AMBITION DOES NOT MATCH REALITY.Wishfull thinking!!
Bear this in mind the Speed Triple is a Super Naked but it has a Super Naked frame, the MT10 has an R1 frame, think about this.
For road and track the speed triple chassis is better
@@MOTOUK1 for track the speed triple chassis better than an R1 chassis !?😯 I'm really not sure about it...
If you're better on the road you can't be better on the track too. It's one or the other but it can't be both.
Being better on road suggest a more "polyvalent chassis" therefore less specialized for track which requires stiffness, that won't give you as much comfort on the road...
Reliability should be discussed
Latest triumphs are reliable and 10,000 mile service intervals
You attempting to take over the comment section should be discussed.
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MT10 SP hands down.
imagine triumph use crossplane 1200r wow hahaha
Would be nice for sure 😄👍
Chassis better? Bullshit! Where is Triumph in Superbike racing? Answer no where, I think you’re not very well read on bikes.
😂😂 why so aggressive! Triumph are into racing, British super sport championship, exclusive engine supplier to the FIM Moto2™ World Championship since the start of the 2019 season to date. It has a better chassis than the MT10SP, I should know I’ve ridden it for nearly 4 years.
The Yamaha looks rubbish compared to the Triumph imo but I own the Triumph ! 🤣
@@NWSTRX850 I have a ,2015 R1 that is my trackday bike with full k-tech suspension and the swingarm.mods. test road an RS and the chassis is brilliant tips in and holds a line. But it's all down to setup. People say the suspension on the RS is stiff. I'm 100kg plus kit and a found the suspension good so ?
The old Speed Triple was epic, Triumph have chased power and lap times and lost the plot
If you think so