What's the best naked on track? | Fast Bikes Magazine
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- What’s the best sub-litre naked on track? Having grasped the pecking order on the roads, we decided to see which of our awesome foursome cut it best around Cadwell Park.
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Thank you for this comparison on track.
I bought the latest 765 RS last year. In the better colour though!
Having ridden sports-bikes on track-days in the past, I bought this more to have fun and improve myself on track (I don’t get to do many each year), instead of concentrating too much on the bike.
I’ve tested the 890R and 790 Duke before that, the MT09 last year and a lot of the 1000+ naked bikes in the past, including the Triumph 1200 RS back to back with the previous ‘22 model of the 765.
I have no brand loyalty.
This 765 may not be the most powerful or fastest bike in a straight line, but I just preferred the whole chassis and the engine character of the 765 for track riding. This is comfortable (for me) and most importantly is the most accurate/precise bike for improving yourself I think.
It is also pretty much track ready straight out of the box, tyres and all (add a brake lever guard).
I’ve uploaded some of my track sessions on my 765 previously, including Cadwell Park. These are just unedited sessions of an experienced (old?!) amateur still trying to improve;
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Love my 765RS. Now it’s got a full system and custom tune, it’s up to 130bhp at the wheel, it’s next level. it’s an awesome package to get the most out of and so much fun to ride.
Oh God 130 on the rear !! That must be a Totally different bike
@@throttlehungry4821 more attitude than stock, it’s great.
Definitely the best on street & track. A lot more reliable than the others too 😂
@@spktylr hope so! Although just found out mine is affected by the valve retainer recall… 😢. Its due a service anyway so will get that done while it’s in. It’s been 110% reliable with zero issues so far.
@@spktylr dont think so😜
Just did a 8143km Euro trip on the Bridgestone S23 on my KTM Duke 890R.
Rode from Finland to Brno.
Some track time at Brno followed by 8 days of Cannonball Bike Run 2024.
And then a ride home from Sunny Beach Bulgaria.
The tyre out performed my expectations and still has some rubber left after all that abuse. ❤
I just did roughly about the same distance on a road trip with my Triumph Street Triple 675R and what a blast it was! So I can imagine how much fun you had!
I did my trip on Michelin Road 6, but I'm actually looking at the S23 as my next tires. I'm assuming you had to ride with lots of mix condition... How was your experience in wet/cold condition with the S23 on such a long journey mate?
How did you manage to 8000km out of a S23 on a 890 with track Time ?
Did you Cruise like a Harley all these KM?
😮
@@neodurden6793 Join the next Cannonball Bike Run.
Let's see if you can keep up.
The Brno track session wasn't a full track day thou.
That would eat up more tyre for sure.
@@Whataiveur The S23 handled all conditions well.
Good grip.
Great handling.
No complaints really.
I would like to try a 180/60 rear thou since the 180/55 is quote easy to get all the way to the edge while the front has plenty of untouched surface still left.
Sadly Bridgestone don't make a 180/60 rear in the S23.
They do on the S22.
Love my 24’ Cosmic Yellow 765 RS and can’t wait for a full exhaust and tune!
Cosmic yellow and full Zard exhaust here - great all rounder…
The Ducati Monster SP would’ve been more suitable than the V2, but probably would’ve still lost lol. You’re gonna have to redo this next year including that and the new MT09SP.
Nice Saturday morning coffee stuff! Good job people
MT-09 and KTM Duke battling to try and make the UGLIEST front end on a motorcycle ever
Please sort it out
Ducati are the only one with Nice Front ✊🔥
Taking design ideas from BMW
I have the Gen 3 MT09 SP. def the ugliest front end ever but what a bike! I wouldn’t trade the SP for anything. I absolutely love it!
Fact.
KTM is a brand with its own style, sharp, agressive, futuristic, different. I'm glad brand with complete different design exist. Even when they are not my taste.
Would be sad to have all motorcycles looking the same, bland, minimalist and black or keeping the same style over and over for 40 years.
Style does not have to make consensus.
I wasn't expecting the Street triple to win because it's the least expensive (I think), and probably the least powerful too, but i bought one last year and I love it. I find when you're going slower around turns it feels so agile and sharp, but when you get up to speed it stables out and holds a straight line. Great video!
@@mcraeheard8213 in Uk always Triumph 😜
@@helgejohan3604and what about Duke ? 🤣
The KTM is actually the least powerful bike here (but the more torquier). The 990 is "only" 123HP.
@@Whataiveur but Maybe the most fun Motot✊🔥
What tyre is on the rear of the Ducati? They have been selling the midclass Ducati's on 180/60 tyres for ages but I don't believe Bridgestone even make the S23 in 180/60 yet. Atleast the don't advertise it on their website. So what is on then? A S22 180/60 or a S23 180/55. I have had a load of 180/55 S22's on my bike, it has a really flat profile that gives stabilty but it does not have the much more agressive steap sides of the Pirelli's that Ducati's are sold on. If it is a 180/55 S23 on the Ducati, it would be completely logical if it was slow steering.
I’ve had a 180/55 S21 and a 180/60 S22. That flat profile is the only problem with what could be a great tyre. The R11 had a better profile but was a terrible tyre. Don’t even look at Bridgestone anymore.
@@Googie6767 they also did not make the RS11 in 180/55 or 180/60. Which made me switch brand.
Very good point. Still, I find my SFV2 slow steering on stock tyres anyway. Increasing rear preload by 3 mm helped a lot (85 kg rider) but it's still not up to hypersport standards. On stock setup I even crashed, failing to commit in corner fast enough after passing cyclists. It's an adorable machine full of V2 character but not the best handling.
@@Googie6767what tire do you recommend
@@majinguruin other words, the bike needed more steering input, but you didn’t supply it. This isn’t the bikes fault.
On board footage is on point and gives great context. I.e our skills are vastly different, our view isn’t.
Great test, thanks.
I wish they did these bikes in comfortable faired designs. GSX8R is barking up the right tree, Ducati Supersport also, 120-130bhp is Goldilocks for the road.
Isn't that funny how nothing gets fairings north of the 650-750 class, except the superbikes (like R1, CBR Fireblade, Panigale, etc) or sports-tourers. I would be happy with a quarter fairing without any other changes. Remember stuff like the FZ1, Bandit 1250S? Nice quarter fairings on otherwise naked sportsbikes.
Tuono ?
Is in a whole other league mate , its the rsv4 engine. Should put that up against the mt10/superduke/m1000 etc
@@scaramouchew there is the tuono 660, but probably still not quite in the same class as the bikes tested here
My dream bike! Triumph 765 RS
Why is the bmw and Yamaha not here ?
Aprilia too. I know they said in the magazine article they wanted to get the MT09 but said they couldn’t get their hands on one. But yeah a shame
@@jwro1296 Aprilia runs a 457, 660 and 1100. Not exactly anything in this class.
@@jwro1296 getting mt09 into the mix it would end deadly last :D
Got the 24 model love it, QS is very smooth no probs. I love kTm😁.
Interesting the tyre pressures he recommends 32 F 30R cold. On the predecessor S22 Bridgestone quote 30F 26R cold....
This test shows once again that riding impressions on motorcycles are extremely subjective and ultimately you can never avoid a test ride. I had a Yamaha MT-09 SP for 3 years, which is considered hyper-agile, and I had so much more fun on the twisty country roads on my test ride with the Ducati Streetfighter V2 than I ever had with the Yamaha. The Ducati can simply do everything better, which is why I ordered one straight away, which will be delivered in two weeks. If I had known that motorcycles could ride like the Streetfighter does, I would have bought it much sooner.
Greetings from Germany
@@AmyTheShepherd Ducati feels bigger and a loot faster and more sporty then Mt09✊🔥
@@helgejohan3604 agree with you 100%. The Ducati is simply so much more capable on the country road than the Yamaha.
@@AmyTheShepherd yes but Mt 09 are more nimble and easy to ride(new rider)
Curious, I think the new MT09-SP (2024 model) is pretty good for street riding. Me and my wife both need a new bike, but we have the choice from 3, the Triumph street triple rs, KTM 990 duke and Yamaha mt09sp. Mostly road riding and sometimes we do track days together (she's in the beginner group, no knee downs yet) and I'm in the middle, I don't chase lap times I just want to have a good time.
@@tubejorritI'm in the same boat looking at the same bike. I'm on an mt07 so upgrading to mt09sp seems like the right move, but the st rs and Duke are so good... It's hard lol
No MT09 SP?
It would definitely give the Triumph a run! I love the '24 MT09 !
See end of part 1.
@@churchofbrap876 the mt09 loses to the triumph in speed and agility dude. Not a shot, just a fact. The street triple is just about as close to perfect as any bike can get.
@@jace2wheel762 I dunno, the revised '24 is a ripper!
@@churchofbrap876 yep, but still not better on track then a 765 (Yamaha still used rubber brake lines) but the mt09 has a better mid-range punch so on the road it will be more fun.
Not surprised it was the triumph
Brilliant video always really enjoy your stuff look forward to watching many more 👍🏻
765 maybe next for me. Had a terrible time with a Moto2. More in the dealership than on the road (electronic issues).
Strange. Moto2 and rs basically same bike
Good point. Honda cdr600rr is calling.
Yamaha press fleet rep is on line 1, please pick up
When you do an ad spot it's common courtesy to mark it.
Super!
Nice video. I bought some Bridgestone S22 last year on sale looking at all these videos using Bridgestone tires in the UK. Great tires on my 2019 STT RS. And the grip is consistent as they get old. Needs more promotion here in Canada to build the brand as they are very underrated here, surprisingly.
I run 28psi at the front and 26 at the rear on a sunny track day here in Canada (where it can get really hot 30C). Surprised of seeing the Bridgestone rep (sorry cant remember his name), giving much higher value. Maybe track temp difference between England and here ?
Quick question if someone has the time to answer. Switching this bike to a trackday bike (no more road riding). Is it worth it to go with an racing street RS11 then ? I dont want to use warmers.
Would have been nice to have seen the Ducati Monster SP and the Aprilia Tuono 660.
Tuono would b my 1st choice on reputation/other reviews
I have a Factory. Have had a few issues, the usual Italian oil leaks and overly squeaky chain, but darn if it doesn't make me happy every time I ride.
I’ll never call the Tuono a naked bike. Still has the fixed front fairings and a windshield
Unpopular opinion I know
Really Triumph I’m really surprise !!! And impressed 😜
The Tuono has won every year across multiple publications, why is it not on the test?
I absolutely love the super duke and that ktm has stuck with the v twin.. BUT.. The first thing I would do if I bought a new super Duke is by an old headlight for it lol..that new headlight is absolutely hideous
Have you seen it irl? When i saw the new one imediatky the old one looked daten to me. I thought i wpuld hate it but its way better imo
It's a 990
I think the design kinda works on the super duke and also fits it, because it's a special bike, but the 990 looks just laughable
There’s no superduke in this video 😂
Ducati fastest and best looking✊🔥
C'était une super vidéo les gars, i enjoyed it ! 👍 Waiting for the next one 🙂
Doesn’t Joe work for Triumph? 🤔
the best naked on track and elsewhere will be allways be a TUONO V4 !
Where are the MT09 riders with superior machines to Street Triple :D
Thought this was a great review…but you know why there wasn’t a single smile, chuckle, or legit emotion shared by either of them? …there wasn’t an MT-10 in the lineup 🎉🎉
It’s a shame that only Ducati, MV Agusta, Triumph, and KTM are the only manufacturers with sub-liter naked bikes…😢!
would be cool if the z900rs was more up to speck with the aforementioned bikes.that engine has so much potential!
Z900: 948cc
MT-09: 890cc
Uk test rides always give Triumph great reviews🤣Triumph to blend, I take Duke 990 or Streetfighter V2 any days✊🔥
Yep, the new 990 may be ugly (it really is polarizing) but the engine gives such a fat mid-range punch, that's the most important bit for me.
KTM reliability. No thanks.
@@fyorbane Been riding ktm for 8 years, never had a problem
I still like road bikes but there's so many look at me Nancy's that got no idea of how to ride. So motocross is my flavour and definitely sorts the men from the boys.
Where’s the ZH2?!
S1000R ¿?
MT-10, Tuono? Bit of a crap test
its middle weight, the mt10 is a 1000cc bike and tuono even 1100.
Bit of a crap comment
Where is the Aprilia tuono. 😢😢
50 horsepower higher. It's not the same category.
bit unfair on the mv,truimph as lower engine size the only nice looking bike was the mv,ducati
Where is M1000R? 😢😢
Notches higher in power output. It's considered a "super naked."
It's in the same category as 1390 Super Duke R, Tuono V4 1100, Streetfighter V4, Speed Triple RS.
Sorry guys, the best naked is still the Aprilia V4 1100 Tuono Factory
Dude not in this list..it should be compared with m1000rr streetfighter v4 mvagusta 1000 superduke triumph speed triple 1200
Are people this disconnected from the market? Why would you test a 180+ hp naked superbike with a 110+ hp naked street bike?
Mt09 No mt10? Didn't bother watching soon as a seen that lol
the new mt09sp wasn't ready for reviewing at the time of filming and the mt-10 is not a middle weight naked, lol.
@tubejorrit Mr lol the post says wats the best naked on track (not middle weight) lol
@@tj_lfc there is also no 1390 super duke, M1000R, Speed Triple 1200 RS etc etc. This is part 2 of their comparison video where they compared middle weight nakeds. They also say so in the video
You were missed…
Sooo where was the aprillia tuono? Or the M1000R?
This is the middleweight class.
It says " the best sub litre naked"
Where's your mind?
There are loads of tyres you can buy for the road and take to the track, nothing new.
Mt 09Sp???
was not released at the time of filming.
cough mt10 cough
MT09SP is nowhere to be found. Why?
Cause it's cheap shite
bmw m1000r
Not a real test without the MT09 or BMW n Aprilia
Should have waited till you could have got them.
that guy sounds like tyson fury . in any comparison tyson fury would come last , too outdated , too big , not sophisticated , made out of cheap materials , does not deliver as promised . i give it 2/5 , would not recomend
Triumph is too revvy.. not very good on the road, you really notice the lack of torque! Constantly dropping down gears to get the thing going it only seems useful on track but you might aswell buy a sports bike if its track specific..
I own one and completely disagree. It's great on the road and has plenty of torque.
Hell no. It has plenty torque. It's also really smart with how it delivers it. Sure it's no Ducati but it's plenty. I used to own a Monster before the 765RS and the only thing the Ducati did better was the initial torque. The 765 is a perfect bike.
Agreed tested one the 890r and the gen 3 yam sp ended up with the yam best road bike by far triumph is the most gutless in the real world
You clearly have not ridden the latest version.
@@fyorbane you clearly can't read
How can you tell if UK children have speech impediments or just speak like thier parents?
WTF…why no MT10?
is it a sub liter?
@@patrickgo7524 yep…998cc 🤣
Where's your mind, people?
Why is it necessary to blaspheme? Leave GOD out of your limited vocabulary!!
It's because they don't believe in space wizards 😅
Jesus Christ grow up!
Morpheous is the only one true god. He is half octopus, half Bald Eagle and lives in a coke can under the sea... he once kicked Thors butt at the battle of the Gulf stream. Then he invented all the other fake gods, so that he could live the rest of eternity in peace.
All hail Morpheous 🙌 🙏 👏 ❤️
@@paulhope3401😂🤣
@@slipknot5037so don’t use the word then?