Having hope that his refine will match the godsword meta & be the equivalent of Líf's refine, if not better. It would also be surprising if IS decides the upcoming batch refined their skills as well
I recently ran some sims on all or most of the omni tanks and B!Marth was by far the unit which surprised me the most. I only put him up there as a sort of joke, since I didn't expect him to do that well and he really smashed through my expectations. With the proper build (and all of his weapon effects active) he had some of the best results among all omni tanks. On par with or even surpassing the likes of S!Fjorm, F!Byleth and B!Dimitri. If this is anything to go by, whatever IS decides to give him could absolutely break him as a unit. His biggest problem right now is really just that his condition can be kinda hard to meet.
Glad you made a video on B!Marth! He was like, THE main unit I used for a long time. I really loved using him, and I really hope he'll get a good refine. Knowing IS's track record with godswords recently, I don't doubt that B!Marth will be good. I'm mainly hoping for omni-unity, true damage/flat dr, and more stats. Great video Oblivion!
It’s worth noting that Marth needs an ally within 2 spaces for his weapon to work, but he doesn’t need the allies with stat bonus’ in 2 spaces, that part of his weapon just checks the whole team regardless of range. My go to has been keeping fae in the corner buffing supports while Muspell stands behind Marth to give him some extra damage
I hope he gets the EP Desperation that W! Marth has and a spectrum +6 visible stats and Null Panic to himself and allies so he can be self-sufficient for his conditions. Despite Unity being meta currently, I don't think it fits with his kit.
I think another great effect for him would be damage based off opponents defense. Just adds so much power when dealing with defense stacking tanks who he struggles with atm
Null C with DR Piercing or adaptive damage would be my pick. Since adaptive damage can be given through some support maybe DR Piercing or Halving so Marth hit his best hits since ALOT of weapons have at least 30% DR built in nowadays. Null C I feel is a must since range nukes and even some melee units are coming with built in sweep skills.
If they don't give him a good refine and i had to pick one effect, I'd take DR halving. I've been using it on a few units and it's really fun and effective. Sometimes i think about L!Marth's B skill too wanting to replace it but idk with what skill will be worth it
what I want for him right now is: -Negate Dull (probably broken 🤣👌) -True DR Based on Spd -Null Counter Disrupt -Easier Condition (probably the most likely to happen) Or may be i$ can give him a built in Distant Counter freeing his A slot for Atk/Spd Finish 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Funny thing is B!Marth is p good still thanks to Special Spiral 4 making him a p solid vantage nuker. The main effect I really want for Marth is Null Panic to him and his allies since there are so many units now that just inflict Panic to everyone and that really hampers Marth. I'm really impressed how he's aged (granted that's cus of SS4) but seeing him just one shot almost every unit in the game always makes me laugh lol
I'm gonna be honest the perfect Marth for me is a combination of DC+NCD+ true dmg + special jump/Tp4+ more stats and null panic or Unity + easier conditions for his base weapon and Treachery. Dr piercing can be given thanks to SS4 and while it's a bit redundant to have two special jumpers he at least gets Dr piercing and +5 true damage and it can free his C slot but tbh the C slot has been falling off a bit for infantry units
Honestly, I currently find CC4 + GLR to be much more reliable than a Shining Emblem based Vantage play style. I hope Marth's refine somehow makes the latter more reliable while also allowing for the former to still be used.
I think rather than Brave hits, it should be expected and even desired that he'll get his winter self's EP Desperation on top of his vantage, so that he effectively brave hits without actually making him speedy Altina. As for what I hope out of his Refine, WMarth's effect, Bonus Doubler and Unity, and DR piercing on special proc If he can pierce DR on special hit, he can run NCD on his B slot for more stats (SS4 doesnt have any) and doesnt need to run TP4 since shining emblem could proc on the second hit, allowing him to run Oath 4 for more stats Only thing I'd add to that is null guard so SE is guaranteed to proc
I’m gonna guess a 2 range Joint Null Panic. I’m gonna WISH he gets pure damage and damage block based on the number of individual buffs on him. Bit like Brave Chrom.
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Having hope that his refine will match the godsword meta & be the equivalent of Líf's refine, if not better. It would also be surprising if IS decides the upcoming batch refined their skills as well
Match ? I want him to rule all over them again !
Lif got such an excellent refine. Really sucks he's a defense mythic where it gets underutilized
I recently ran some sims on all or most of the omni tanks and B!Marth was by far the unit which surprised me the most. I only put him up there as a sort of joke, since I didn't expect him to do that well and he really smashed through my expectations. With the proper build (and all of his weapon effects active) he had some of the best results among all omni tanks. On par with or even surpassing the likes of S!Fjorm, F!Byleth and B!Dimitri. If this is anything to go by, whatever IS decides to give him could absolutely break him as a unit. His biggest problem right now is really just that his condition can be kinda hard to meet.
I love brave marth, i always give the best stuff for this little guy. I hope his refine makes him even better
Glad you made a video on B!Marth! He was like, THE main unit I used for a long time. I really loved using him, and I really hope he'll get a good refine. Knowing IS's track record with godswords recently, I don't doubt that B!Marth will be good. I'm mainly hoping for omni-unity, true damage/flat dr, and more stats. Great video Oblivion!
Thanks 😊 I'm hoping Marth comes out of this as a very unique godsword
Ever since your Gatekeeper video I’ve been waiting for Marth. Agree with everything here and can’t wait to see what he gets!
I am looking forward to the Marth refine. He is still for me the most interesting unit from CYL5.
I still hold to my theory, Marth will get the 1st place treatment even though GK was 1st place
Another amazing thing marth could have is the LSeliph's B effect, the enemy phase desperation
It’s worth noting that Marth needs an ally within 2 spaces for his weapon to work, but he doesn’t need the allies with stat bonus’ in 2 spaces, that part of his weapon just checks the whole team regardless of range. My go to has been keeping fae in the corner buffing supports while Muspell stands behind Marth to give him some extra damage
I think there is a precedent for Brave Marth getting Unity in his refine--Legendary Marth does get omni-Unity in his refine, after all.
Ya between that and bonus doubler, I could definitely see him getting one of them
I have a +10 brave marth and hope that his refine is awesome!
I hope he gets the EP Desperation that W! Marth has and a spectrum +6 visible stats and Null Panic to himself and allies so he can be self-sufficient for his conditions. Despite Unity being meta currently, I don't think it fits with his kit.
Ep desperation would be really cool
I think another great effect for him would be damage based off opponents defense. Just adds so much power when dealing with defense stacking tanks who he struggles with atm
Null C with DR Piercing or adaptive damage would be my pick. Since adaptive damage can be given through some support maybe DR Piercing or Halving so Marth hit his best hits since ALOT of weapons have at least 30% DR built in nowadays. Null C I feel is a must since range nukes and even some melee units are coming with built in sweep skills.
If they don't give him a good refine and i had to pick one effect, I'd take DR halving. I've been using it on a few units and it's really fun and effective.
Sometimes i think about L!Marth's B skill too wanting to replace it but idk with what skill will be worth it
Well definitely have to wait until the refine to know his best b slot, but fortunately as an infantry he has a ton of options
Bro keep up the good work as for me I'm going to marine corps boot camp at Paris island.....
Wishing you the best 👍
what I want for him right now is:
-Negate Dull (probably broken 🤣👌)
-True DR Based on Spd
-Null Counter Disrupt
-Easier Condition (probably the most likely to happen)
Or may be i$ can give him a built in Distant Counter freeing his A slot for Atk/Spd Finish 4
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Brave Marth get's trachery and true dmg + flat dr on his refine then he would be crazy strong for it
Sure looking for his refine 😅
My forma B!Marth had no luck with TP4, so everything I hope for his refine is TP4 in his weapon😅
Funny thing is B!Marth is p good still thanks to Special Spiral 4 making him a p solid vantage nuker. The main effect I really want for Marth is Null Panic to him and his allies since there are so many units now that just inflict Panic to everyone and that really hampers Marth. I'm really impressed how he's aged (granted that's cus of SS4) but seeing him just one shot almost every unit in the game always makes me laugh lol
Hes definitely gotten a lot of great new skill options this past year
I'm gonna be honest the perfect Marth for me is a combination of DC+NCD+ true dmg + special jump/Tp4+ more stats and null panic or Unity + easier conditions for his base weapon and Treachery.
Dr piercing can be given thanks to SS4 and while it's a bit redundant to have two special jumpers he at least gets Dr piercing and +5 true damage and it can free his C slot but tbh the C slot has been falling off a bit for infantry units
I would say even more healing
But everyone thought I was dumb for putting SS 4 on fallen f byleth
Marth going to have joint drive unity
Oh god thatd be broken
Honestly, I currently find CC4 + GLR to be much more reliable than a Shining Emblem based Vantage play style. I hope Marth's refine somehow makes the latter more reliable while also allowing for the former to still be used.
When is his refine gonna come?
Next month
@@Oblivionknight thanks :)
I hope that the Vantage in Brave Marth Falchion will be at lower then 99 percent like Kronya.
I think rather than Brave hits, it should be expected and even desired that he'll get his winter self's EP Desperation on top of his vantage, so that he effectively brave hits without actually making him speedy Altina.
As for what I hope out of his Refine, WMarth's effect, Bonus Doubler and Unity, and DR piercing on special proc
If he can pierce DR on special hit, he can run NCD on his B slot for more stats (SS4 doesnt have any) and doesnt need to run TP4 since shining emblem could proc on the second hit, allowing him to run Oath 4 for more stats
Only thing I'd add to that is null guard so SE is guaranteed to proc
That would definitely be powerful and in line with his other versions.
I’m gonna guess a 2 range Joint Null Panic. I’m gonna WISH he gets pure damage and damage block based on the number of individual buffs on him. Bit like Brave Chrom.
Refines are 1 month away. Hope his refine busted. 🤞
Really hoping they lower the amount of bonuses need for the other conditions as well.