Dont forget Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light Marth's unique ability of AI manipulation, where the CPU will always try to attack him if available. He's basically like an MMO tank that just draws all aggro his way
Pent is definitely a top 5 maybe even top 3 unit in that game but Marcus is far and away the best in the game, he's no question your best unit for the first half of the game with no one else even remotely close and then second half of the game is still a top 5-10 combat unit even without any investment, he's useful at every point of the game, always worth a deployment slot, has perfect availability, and is the uncontested best unit in your army for at least 50% of the game
Pent may be the best mage, and Harken the best melee infantry, but Marcus is the best combat unit you have for the whole of the game. Sheer availability combined with ease of improvement (bad growths? Feed him every stat booster!) Is what really ekes him out to number one. Otherwise it really is just: 1. Marcus 2. Pent. 3. Harken.
Ike in RD is extremely jacked. His 3rd tier promotion is literally head and shoulders above other promotions, gets aether , Nihil , and guy cant get slow down cuz of how strong he is. Slap there Ragnell and its Pwnage incarnate
Ike is among the strongest lord in the series. Haar is just that good, Jill as well with the flying canto utility and range, able to use axes right from early game.
@@lifeloverNorris right. I think what people are missing here is that Haar comes in chapters where the rest of your party just isnt great, but also continues to be amazing afterwards. Ike comes in where your whole party is pretty damn good. I think Ike is better than Haar in the long run, but Haar just provides so much more in the chapters hes available to the point where thunder mages are placed all over the place in every chapter he's in to prevent the player from just throwing haar into the middle of enemies.
I don't mind unit customization but I hope they do a new game in the old style, I kinda miss when we all had shared experiences over some of the units, like Seth being so OP he is able to one round, or at least two round, the final boss
I really like unit customisation but I think they need to tune it down a bit. Every unit being able to be any class is a bit much, especially in Engage where it just costs a few bond fragments.
I think Fates had found the right amount of balance honestly. Deep levels of customization, but not two units ever having access to the exact same class trees meant everyone had their own builds and as such their own, unique feel. Conquest especially was great on this aspect because due to the tighter ressources and lack of farming, you had to carefully choose what to do.
@@mvjbass9561 Largely agreed, although I think Three Houses is a bigger offender. Three Houses doesn't even have default classes for most of the units. It takes a bit before you get real class flexibility in Engage, and even then, it's somewhat restricted based on the Emblems available. Still, as far as classes go, I think we need somewhere in the range of 1-3 non-promoted classes, and 2-5 promoted classes each character can access. 3 unpromoted, 3 promoted. Classes are linear (Myrmidon -> Swordmaster) but each character can select 1 of 3, and carry some skills to the other when side-classing. Notably though, I want level to not reset. If your character has access to Bandit that can learn Wrath at level 10, and Myrmidon which can learn Vantage at level 10, you can't get both since you can only hit level 10 once.
@@thoraxebe1754 You definitely want something of a middle ground with it. Honestly, I feel Engage pulled some tricks it doesn't get much credit for to make limit customization. Fundamentally, to make a unit, you select the following choices: Character stats/growths, 1 ability Class stats/growths, weapons, 1 ability 2 Inheritable skills Emblem Skills, stat boosts, weapons, engage ability. The biggest restriction is Emblems, their availability is limited, and you can only assign one per unit. Next up, characters. As usual, availability is limited, you can only assign 1 per unit. Inheritable skills: You can pretty much pick what you want, but they are limited based on the point in the game you're at. Mid-game units don't get access to Canter until late game for example. Class: The most flexible aspect, anybody can be anything. But notably, early game units are class locked until around chapter 7, and reclassing is limited until mid-game. Even then, mid-game lacks a way to get knife, tome and lance proficiency. It's still more flexible than I would like, but it's pretty notably you can't have, say, 2 Byleth or Corrin builds in your party. Plus, due to the difference in combat calculations and promotion systems, character stats matter a lot more than in Three Houses.
I’d have gone with Lysithia as the 3Houses rep. She’s not restricted to a specific route and she’s painfully obviously the most cracked student you can transfer in if you go Blue Lions/Black Eagles.
3 houses is so weird to try to pick a best unit for because any Lord is only available for their own playthrough, and NONE are available for silver snow... So I'd probably pick Lysithia just because she's good no matter WHAT route you go
Lysithia with the War Cleric class is OP! Built her as a mage until mastered mage, priest, and bishop classes. Then go back and master fighter. Now you have a unit who will 1 shot most units, have okay defense and take next to 0 magic damage. She can level a demonic beast solo!
Yeah, Kagetsu is THAT good. Invest in his Wo Dao/crit stat and he'll kill everything. You can basically give him any ring and he'll still be able to make them work. If he makes the Lyn-ring clones, the clones become Yunaka level untouchable dodge tanks.
Lol. Wo Dao is one of the few weapons in the game that's just not worth using. At east give him a killing edge. +4 Mt, +5 Crit. It's -15 hit, but with Kagetsu's absurd skill, personal skill, that's almost completely irrelevant. The killer axe is another +2 Mt, -10 hit, which would be preferred if you reclass him. But almost any unit can run an effective crit build. Kagetsu is best off as a high mobility powerhouse that needs to be fed minimal SP.
@@plentyofpaper I came here to say that. Whenever I see a engage video of someone using a Wo Dao it kinda hurts. Also, pre promotes having absurd SP kinda makes me like engage for giving them unique viability in that regard. Goldmary having 1800sp and Kagetsu with 1000sp is just good. Sadly join after they can get canter, but you can slap on Dual Assist onto Kagetsu at base with just some bond rings. Goated unit, but I think flying magic is still better for investment, so I think Ivy and Hortensia are better but meh, I think it can be argued to swing that decision either units favor of Ivy or Kagetsu.
@@Direblade11 Lmao. I must ask, has Boucheron turned out good for you? It is a rare sight to ever see Boucheron be good so I'm curious if you might've made it work.
Palla as the best echoes choice feels odd. Her str's decent but needs a good weapon and her spd is quite middling and she really needs to promote to stop being a liability. I'd say Celica's probably the best with her availability and how much she outshines pre-promotion Alm with her great speed, damage, magic and tools like the mage ring for free later whereas he needs a max forged killer bow
@@Ray-Zide I've never had Palla be a liability unpromoted. She is bulky enough to take hits and does good damage. I usually have her easily level 12 before Greith so she can then feed kills to Catria so they can both promote by the dragon shrine.
Okay Ryoma is just factually the best in Fates, Camilla being the best in Conquest, but I do agree with your opinion on Azura. But why did Palla beat Alm? He is LEAGUES stronger
I applaud you for picking Azura just cuz very few people would and that's at least different. That being said, it's Ryoma. And Camilla in Conquest. Like I agree Azura's utility and ability to fight makes her unique among the dancer class characters, but I just wouldn't say that's enough to make her the best unit in the game or I wouldn't qualify it as the best unit in the game. Because by that metric, wouldn't Sylvia/Lene from Genealogy be the best character in that game since they can refresh 4 different characters every turn?
I actually kinda disagree with this notion for a few reasons. Azura is often times seen as the best dancer in the entire series, rivaled only by the herons and Seadall, but Azura definitely has an edge over all of them. The first is her availability, having perfect availability in BR and Rev and only missing 3 maps in Conquest. This sort of availability is unmatched by every other dancer in the series, allowing her to contribute far more on every playthrough in comparison. The second is the fact that shelter is a skill that exists. Shelter singing, as its known, essentially allows azura to sing multiple times in one turn, simple. But it also means you can, when set up correctly, sing to the same unit multiple times in 1 turn, which is only matched by Seadall in engage (the difference is he can only sing twice at max while azura can go up to 7 total times if done correctly). Third is the fact that azura can reclass into one of the best classes in the game (Sky Knight into Kinshi Knight) which, along with surprisingly amazing growths, can allow her to be a great combat unit even outside of singing (also in songstress class, naturally being able to weild lances/naginatas is super huge). Finally, branch of fate. This is a big one as you can make azura any level you want prior to branch of fate and she will keep that level for any playthrough you start at branch of fate. This can also allow her to use her (frankly amazing) combat stats but now at absurdly high levels that you shouldn't have at that point in the game.
For Engage, I feel there's a big 4, 4.5. You got Kagetsu and Ivy. No argument. Seadall as a dancer works exceptionally well with the Canter mechanic. But the one I feel was forgotten here is Pandreo. He's basically magic Kagetsu. High speed and Con, plus high Mag from Sage and Byleth makes him an absolute monster. Plus, his boosted staff proficiency gives him access to Fortify, which can heal your party, and often instantly refill his Engage meter. The .5 I mentioned is Alear. Specifically because of the raw utility offered from the variety of Dragon Veins while with Corrin. Vayle actually fills this role better due to being magically oriented and having access to 3 range for freezing targets, but Alear has better availability. This is a role that other characters just can't fill since they don't have access to a Dragon class.
Pandreo is goated. Capped HP and SPD as Sage on my 1st playthrough a few chapters before endgame. It was on Maddening and since it was my first playthrough, I didn't wanna buy DLC yet. Him, Ivy, and Kagetsu all nice. Will say although not unique to Kagetsu, he's a pre promote with good base sp. He can get Dual Assist with only bond fragments at base and this is good when considering he'll free up Lucina for others to use. I don't think Pandreo at base really has any skills to inherit at base that make him better than he is. That's why Kagetsu nudges out over Pandreo in being the best unit. It ain't by much, but availability and good inheritance to be a low maintenance unit that still does the sword master thing of initiating combat at melee range and killing the opponent from his start til the end of the game makes Kagetsu hard to compete with.
@@amanasd26 Ivy can one round the fastest enemies in the game with Lyn and choosing to inherit Speed+ skills or feeding her Speedwings. It doesn't matter if her base speed starts out mediocre when there are other ways to fix speed in Engage. She's better than Kagetsu because it's better to be able to move 8 tiles and kill stuff at 1-2 range than move 8 tiles and only being able to secure kills at 1 range. She's also the best bonded shield recipient for this reason.
three houses is Lysitha the best an absolute magic nuke with good range as for engage you have Yunaka she starts in the right class and once she has emblem corrin she is absolutly untouchable and can counter at almost any range
While I’ll say that Edelgard is definitely the best unit in three houses, I do think Dimitri comes in at number two in comparison to Claude. Battalion Wrath + Vantage is that strong Combine that with retribution (or dare I say it, the chalice of beginnings) And only gambits or reeeeallly tanky/evasive enemies can stop him It’s not as broken as raging storm on wyvern Lord/Rider But I think it’s more than what Claude brings to the table^^
Rutger is - by FAR, no other unit even comes remotely close - the best killing machine in the game. He can do only one job, but it's a job that the player needs through the entire game; that is taking care of dangerous units and bosses very reliably, and most of the time in one single round. Even without hard mode bonuses, after a while and with the right weapon, he doubles everyone with like a 60~70% chance to crit. He basically murders everything and everyone he touches, if properly trained and used. Melady is strong, tough and has flying utility. She's basically the perfect multi-tool, bulky enough to survive quite a bit and with the Delphi shield, she becomes near unstoppable. She isn't as deadly as Rutger (even with a killer lance, though she WILL take care of most units in a single round with it), but she simply fulfills more roles. I suppose it really comes down to which the players values more, but both choices are very much legit.
It might be a close call between Seth and Sigurd to be honest, but Sigurd has the Main-character bonus, so i'd say excluding main characters, Seth is the GOAT.
In Shadow Dragon, I'd give the best unit to Wolf once you reclass him as a general. Literally took 0 damage from things 99% of the time, he's just insane
i have some minor gripes w this list, primarily fe12 and echoes while i see the argument that it's possible to make kris worse than palla, it's also possible to make him WAY better, so on average he's better than palla, also he's available for the entire game which is something worth considering in echoes they somehow made the killer bow even better, and if you're considering the forged wing spear (which is what makes the wind spear good) then u should also consider the killer bow, specifically for leon considering he's by far the best archer, b4 palla i would also put genny for invoke soilders being so early, palla is pretty good, and by far the strongest flying unit, but not THAT good (also edelgaurd is so clearly the strongest lord)
Yeah I really think Kris is defo the best. It's especially noticeable in the midgame when the wyverns and dragons (figuratively and literally) come flying in. Kris doesn't even need effective weaponry to one round them, but Palla does. Also, the prologues are surprisingly hard on higher difficulties, so Kris being present there is huge.
Naw, best Archer is Archer Atlas. Boy just gets insane Attack/HP and a tiny bit of Luck, that's all you need to Hunter's Volley anything to death and Atlas will do it better than any other archer.
@ i disagree, hunters volley heavily benifits from hitting both hits, which atlas will rarely do, you usually want him using heavy blow so if he hits he one shots or curved shot so he's hitting consistently
@@Briggetchu25 Eventually both Leon and Atlas will almost always hit with Hunter's Volley once you're int the late game, you can just give Atlas one skill buff item when he's a Bow Knight and he'll be fine. Hell, the last time I used him he had only 12-13 skill going into the end-game and still had a 90-100% hit rate on average and out damaged Leon by a significant margin. Also, if you miss just turn wheel, you rarely need to use it as often as it allows you to. I've beaten SoV about 5 times and Python & Atlas always ended up better than Leon for me. One thing I will agree on is any Archer with Hunter's Volley is better than Palla or other units lol
Alm is undoubtedly the strongest in shadows of valentia. He is an amazing all arounder that can use killer bows which are the strongest weapons in the game
@@AshenVictorI disagree because there are other ways to do effective enemy phase combat. Dodge tanking, wrath+vantage, protection tanking. There isn’t multiple ways to get multiple actions in one turn. Anyone could enemy phase like Dimitri, no one can player phase like Edelgard
@@readtherules7101 I disagree with you, since... Dancer exists. You CAN have a strong Player phase. Singular, not plural, since It's pretty ressource eater. I agree, it allow for a lot of things, but only one turn (altough, it's thanks to Raging Storm that Edelgard could One turn her Final Boss) Vantage+Wrath is absolutely not comparable to Batallion Vantage+Bataillion Wrath. On paper, that's the same thing but the fact that you need to be injured to use the skill makes you prone to lack a bit in the damage department, and taking hits. With 50% or less life, you REALLY don't want to be hit. Dimitri does not have to be set up every map also, and the fact he have the highest strengh of the game, both base and GR, is an agreeable bonus. And if you can be set up fast with Vantage + Wrath, maybe this unit isn't the best to use ennemy phase.... I'd say, Edelgard have a way to occasionnaly be the best player phase unit, while Dimitri is the indisputable Ennemy-phase King.
@@kirua258 dancer exists. But a a character like Felix, Sylvain, Byleth even with a dancer will never have the same PP power that Edelgard has. Will a wrath+vantage+retribution+miracle battalion Raphael, Caspar, Hilda, etc require set up in map? Sure. But fundamentally it’s still just another way to EP. They can generally EP the same units as Dimitri and Dimitri having really high strength isn’t such an incredible point since a lot of EP builds stack critical hit rate for triple damage anyway. If anything Dimitri’s charm would be more valuable for avoiding gambits which aren’t hard to pick off in the PP for a strong team, since they usually aren’t common enough or accurate enough to need to change your whole play style around. Dimitri is great, but not irreplaceable. I genuinely enjoy dedue’s enemy phase a lot more than Dimitri’s.
For Awakening I'd say Morgan edeges out Robin due to them being a little bit MORE customisable on top of how strong Awakening child units are already. Morgan is a Robin that can have Aether or be a Dragon.
Both Aether and being a Dragon are non-factors in breaking the game, and in fact being a dragon actually only hurts you rather than helping you (because the only thing it really does is give you a weakness across every class that you wouldn't normally have). The best skill combination uses Vengeance as the combat special of choice, so Aether's kind of wasted too. Vantage, Vengeance, Spendsthrift, Galeforce/Wrath depending on gender, and Limit Break / Tomesfare depending on DLC availability. None of these things require Morgan, even if Morgan can run it too. Plus, availability is a big factor too, you can be as good as you want, if you join late and underleveled, and therefore require significant investment or babying to reach that level, can you truly be called the best, especially when another unit did the exact same thing since the very beginning of the game?
So i'm gonna add my 2 cents Binding Blade: Its rutger and it's not even close. One word. *Thrones* almost every boss in the game has that cheap ass cheating chair boosting their evasion to ridiculous levels and Rutger has the skill needed to hit them reliably, plus good strength, great speed and Killer Blades are easy ish to come by. 3H: and here's why i disagree. Wyvern Lord is fantastic. It's a flying class in a game with super canter and it has a faire ability for one of the strongest weapon types, and all you have to do to get Edelgard there is put her through peg for darting blow and then onto a wyvern....what's that? Claude's *personal* class is like someone fused Sniper and Wyvern Lord? He has 7(8 promoted) movement, Super Canter and Bowfaire? And comes with a ridiculous bow that gives him 3 range by default, 4 with bow range + and up to like 7 with the right CS? Not to mention the ridiculousness that is Falling Star? All 3 Lords are good, but Claude is good *by default* without doing anything more than just training his bow and authority.
Bows really aren't that much better than axes by the time skip and if you're talking about personal weapons and combat arts edelgard literally has Amyr raging storm
Rutger is top 3 indeed but I agree with the video. Rutger is all combat, with the really good role of being the boss killer but Melady also has combat with flier movement and utility to go along with it. She can do so much shit around the map compared to Rutger who's always stuck to just fighting on the ground (not a bad thing, he is your best combat unit around) The real argument here against Melady would be her availability since at the time of her recruitment, Rutger by that time has contributed to carrying the team so much and will continue to do so later on (especially if you pick Sacae) while Melady is just starting. But I'd argue that Rutger actually kind of scales back a bit due to how big maps are getting, which are things like Perceval and Melady are poised to take advantage of. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Rutger but I think it really comes down to what you value more. I personally just rank Melady above everyone else due to what she can but I can say the unit feel is significantly better with Rutger
@@Ray-Zide I think Agarthium is a little harder to come by than what the other relics need to be repaired, but it's still bringing modern SRW action economy into FE (Sort of, some units in international era SRW can practically sweep maps single-handedly, within very few turns), and very, very busted by comparison.
Meh, unless you are doing LTC or speed run, you can kill most bosses before Rutger with Dieck and the ones after he comes along with Rescue dropping a mage, or in Dory's case just bait him into Hand Axe and 1 range him. Wagner also doable for Dieck and Debias is pretty doable with Lugh by that point. Leygance also Dies to Armorslayer and Scott can be Baited like Dory. I ain't familiar with Echidna route, but Zinc is pretty easy to do with Magic and the dude in Bartre's map I forgot his name but he's also doable with Magic. After that the human not-human is easy with Magic. If you've caught on by now most bosses don't require Rutger more than it requires magic other than Eric (Rutger hits more reliably and Lugh doesn't have enough training time yet) and Henning (rescue dropping a mage takes forever because of the map gimmick, so much so even I'm not waiting for that). Before someone gets the wrong impression, I don't mean killing a boss with rescue dropping a mage by waiting on only the mage to kill. You can typically throw Dieck, Marcus, or Zealot at the problem in tandem with a mage. Bosses are hardly an issue in Fire Emblem and so Rutger being a boss killer is hardly anything to write home about. It's great he does it so well in a game with some harder bosses compared to some of the rest of the series, but I've played with and without Rutger and the difference is a few turns or sometimes none at all. I ain't a Rutger hater, just a Fire Emblem fan. Also a Bartre fan, if that matters.
To add on to your points about Azura: thanks to Fates' pair up mechanics, it's also easy to allow her to use Sing twice per turn, which offers insane utility and opens up some absurd low-turn clears.
For me its FE1: Marth FE2: Silque FE3: Marth (Book 1), Palla (Book 2) FE4: Sigurd FE5: Safy FE6: Miledy FE7: Marcus FE8: Seth FE9: Titania FE10: Haar FE11: Caeda FE12: Kris FE13: Robin FE14: Azura FE15: Gray FE16: Byleth (I feel like I should default who is consistently best among all route availability, and quality of the three lords depends on New Game+ or DLC is available. Many default to Dimitri if DLC is used, but I think Edelgard with regular Wrath + Vantage + Defiant Crit could break even harder and she's a Wyvern Lord) FE17: Alear, Chloe, or Ivy I found as my top 3 with Ivy winning out I believe.
@zaneheaston8254 Oh yeah, Lysithea is also easily top 5 for me as well. In fact, as a Dark Flier and the Hero Relic staff which I keep forgetting how to properly spell, I found her my main for Golden Deer. Felix is also a badass Warmaster. But Ultimately, Byleth has base stats, growth, top tier charm stat, 0 penalties, ect. He is the most simple but effective choice despite several options being better in specific areas.
FE1: Marth FE2 Alm Side: Alm FE2 Celica Side: Catria FE3 Book 1: Hard to say since this is easily the game with the least amount of discussion. Probably either Minerva or Wendell. FE3 Book 2: Palla FE4 Gen 1: Sigurd FE4 Gen 2: Seliph FE5: Either Asbel or Safy. Earliest Bosskiller vs Earliest Staffer. FE6: Either Melady or Marcus, my vote goes to Marcus. FE7: Marcus FE8: Seth FE9: Titania FE10: Haar FE11: Jagen FE12: Palla FE13: Robin Birthright: Ryoma Conquest: Either Corrin or Camilla Revelations: Corrin FE15 Alm Side: Mercenary Villager or Silque. Best Combat vs Healing/Warping. FE15 Celica Side: Leon or Genny. Best Combat vs Physic. FE16: Byleth for everything except Azure Moon, where it's Dimitri. FE17: Chloe
My one note is for 3 Houses Dimitri could be argued to be the best because he’s the only unit that gets Battalion Wrath and Battalion Vantage in his Authority skill tree. This allows him to always strike first with MASSIVE crit chance on enemy phase while still being at full health. Still, it might not be as strong as Edelgard’s ability to strike 6x in one turn (once per map) with her signature weapon’s Combat Art, but he’s definitely better than Claude for that reason Still - great video!
This was a very good list!.....except for Echoes. I think Echoes is massively misunderstood since most people only played it once. Palla's flight is hampered by the lack of meaningful maps to use it in Act 3, which is chock full of bow users and bulky monsters. Even with the "Super Palla" strat (give her a level and 3 exp boosters to early promote), she still struggles to solo significant portions of the map without a max forge silver lance or Catria's assistance. The True best unit in Echoes comes down to whether you value staff utility or combat more. If you do, Genny is what makes it possible to snowball your combat units in Act 2 and Physic is super strong in this game. Otherwise, the best unit is probably Leon, because he has early access to the Killer Bow, the undisputed best weapon in the game. 1-5 range high crit bow with access to a brave combat art is absolutely disgusting. You might argue that in that instance, Python joins sooner. But Python has essentially mandatory grinding in order to keep up on Act 3, and struggles without Sniper bases, whereas Leon has solid combat before the killer bow, and then after act 2 he basically has it within a few maps. He's also probably the best user of any stat boosters you get from shrines or drops. And when you're finally done with act 4, you can use a merchant to trade the killer bow over to Python to save you money. Again, I'd like to say I really enjoyed the video but yeah the echoes pick was very strange to me.
Wait, you exclude Warp from the list because it simplifies gameplay to a point it's no longer interesting, but judge the Three Houses Lords as if they were all Wyvern Lords? Why?
I'll comment on the best units I've had from my experiences playing the games. I'll only bring up the games I definitely remember, so forgive the gaps. FE4: Definitely Sigurd. Being a mounted unit is almost essentially given how large the maps are, his stats are impressive, and he will constantly be reliable throughout all of Gen 1. FE6: I'd like to bring something up about Rutger-he is an amazing boss killer. Not only does he come as a strong Navarre archetype, but having that Killing Edge and being generally strong means he is guaranteed to stay on your team from start to finish. Melady will also do the same, being a contender for one of the best units in the series. An honorable mention would go to Lugh, Raigh, Deick and Lot. All of them join with strong growths, with your only real challenge being who to use and who not to use. This game has a massive roster, so you'll need a consistently strong team. FE7: First one I'll disagree with. This one is a battle between multiple units in my book. Oswin, being a powerful tank. Sain, being incredibly strong and reliable. Canas. Not only is he your only dark mage, but he has access to Luna. FE7 Luna is broken-so broken it's entirely possible to one shot the boss with it. Yes, I've done it before. Raven. He gets some monstrous boosts on Hector Hard mode, and once he promotes, he's next to unstoppable. Harken has amazing stats and will stay strong from recruitment onwards. Also he's got a Brave Sword. Pent. He's Pent and he will surpass Erk in just about everything. If he doesn't immediately convince you with his first appearance, I don't know what will. Honorable mentions go to Nino and Geitz. Nino joins a little too late even for an Est, but she can pick up the pace very quickly. Geitz is a strange lad who has very strong utility, and something rare for Warriors: B rank in Bows. FE8: Seth is so broken, it's a question if he's supposed to be a Jagen at all. Where most fall off, Seth only continues. The trainees (Ewan, Ross, and Amelia) are close behind, as their entire purpose is to become powerful once they promote. Considering how easy Sacred Stones is, that's easier said than done. Honorable mention goes to Ephraim and Lute. FE9: Titania and Marcia indeed compete for this one. Not a lot of argument for this one. FE10: Undeniably, it's Haar. Jill is great, but Haar comes out swinging and swinging like a tank. He'll continue to do this throughout the rest of the game, and he will be guaranteed as one of your main units. Honorable mention is 100% Ike, who remains a constant beast from start to finish. Awakening: It feels like cheating to bring up Robin, considering this is where avatar units started becoming extremely good. I'll say my picks for this one will be Cordelia. Great stats-but more importantly, she has access to Galeforce, an extremely strong skill that can be passed down to her child. An honorable mention could be almost any of the child units, so my pick is Inigo. Echoes: This one has multiple units fighting for it. Gray. The moment you make him a mercenary, he will stay consistently strong. Once you get ahold of the Lightning Sword, this essentially makes him unkillable as he will deal massive damage for a good majority of Alm's Path-and even without it, he will still hit hard. Mathilda. Amazing stats, an actual Res stat, and easily your best Paladin in the game. Delthea. She may be the Est of this game but don't be fooled- her damage output makes up for it. She's an effective magic nuke, with only one real flaw being join time. Still as an Est, this shouldn't be too big of an issue. Three House: Given how this game functions, I decided I'll rank the three houses separately. For Black Eagles, this is a tie between Edelgard herself and Bernadetta. Both are really strong, and usually won't require much investment. For Blue Lions, this is also a battle between a few people. Dimitri, Sylvain, and Felix. Dimitri is generally extremely powerful, Sylvain has being consistently good with strong growths, and Felix being a powerful sword user who is well rounded. For Golden Deer, this is 100% Lysithea . She is arguably the best magic user in the game has access to very strong magic attacks, she has Mastermind meaning she will never fall off, and access to very strong skills natively. Honorable mention would go to Claude, being a very powerful archer, and quite frankly the deadliest man in the room if you make him an Assassin. Engage: I can also see this having multiple people fighting over it. Kagetsu is busted. Even without customization of any kind, he will stay very strong and remains that way from joining onwards. Yunaka, Hortensia, Fogado, and Ivy are all extremely good, all with respectable stats, skills, with the only debate being how you choose to use them. Honorable mentions here? Panette and Jean. Panette being an absolute beast, and Jean, while he is a meme in his own right, he makes for an excellent Sage.
I'd say Chrom beats out Cordelia. Bar Frederick, he's the only unit who can tank the early game Wyvern Riders head-on and deal worthwhile damage in the process, let alone that the Rapier is a godsend in general (Lucina and Chrom can practically solo Chapter 13 thanks to it).
Blazing Blade for me would be either Marcus or Raven. But it would be Raven for me. Marcus may be good, but I kinda lost use for him after I promoted Eliwood. I got Raven to a Hero as early as The Port of Badon via Arena Abuse, and he carried my run for basically the whole game since he dodged and tanked a lot of hits
The only difference is - Raven needs Arena Abuse to still get outclassed by Harken and Marcus (if we consider Raven being Promoted at 20 and same lv as them). Marcus comes in earlier, does Stuff in his first Chapter (Raven doesnt do anything in his Recruit Chapter unless you wait for him) and effortlessly carries every run. He will only fall behind if you completly ignore him and your other Party is like all Promoted at 20 and higher lv than him. Marcus being the best Unit in this game is honestly not a question, its a fact (like Seth and Titania in theirs)
it should be noted that dimitri can do a battalion vantage wrath build with war master and have around 80-100ish crit chance and attacks before enemy attacks on enemy phase so youre one shotting practically everything in the game while the other two lords require a lot of effort to make good in everything, dimitri IS good in everything, especially if you just give him chalice to deal with ranged threats against him and he'll be able to quite literally solo maps unlike any other unit due to all the abilities he has
Meh, just use Thunder. If you don't have Olwen, just use Thoron. Very good to spam, and it's another magic unit to kill armor knights and great knights with because they have comically low SPD and RES for even Ivy to kill. All round just like any other mage but she can fly and is one of the few who can rarely boost damage with her personal skill. That last point ain't amount to much, but it's still something. I'd use her over the rest of the cast, or at least most of them. Enough to at least guarantee she has a deployment slot alongside Pandreo, Kagetsu, and Alcryst. You can honestly swap out Alcryst for Etie but I just choose to swap out Etie for Pannete. Both are gonna go Warrior anyway, but one has better personal and Alcryst can cover up the C rank bow weakness so that's why I use Alcryst. I only explain this because I know Etie folks tend to go a lil crazy when one mentions using Alcryst over her, so I have some reasoning as to why, which is less using Alcryst over her and more so using Pannete but oh well. The bow rank really is the only thing Etie has over her, so just forge and engrave a bow for any other bow rank user to use and if they double that's enough to kill most fliers. Sorry that became a Alcryst v. Etie rant, just kinda covering my bases.
Ivy hits all the relevant speed benchmarks to oneround the fastest enemies in the game with Lyn and inheriting Speed+ skills or giving her Speedwings, the big commitment is just getting her ahead of the level curve by making her your main juggernaut. She's better than Kagetsu
@@nak113 You sure? I doubt that. Regardless, just use Thunder or Thoron. It doesn't take that much investment and time to pull off. Also I'ma kinda go against the grain here but I hate Speedtaker. Like, you're telling me I have to baby a unit for 3 to 4 kills every map till the become good and then do that EVERY MAP? May as well be using a growth unit at that point. That crap is even a detriment if you use more than one Speedtaker user. That's just like a growth unit. Nah, screw that nonsense. I'ma use Ivy with Thunder and play how I wanna play, with a unit being good on their join time. But hey, FE is cool cause of how you can replay and have different units be good because of growths or just using different ones cause why not. I might do a playthrough of getting Ivy to double like you say, but I sincerely doubt it's the best path for Ivy to get good. Sadly can't right now, I'm doing a self imposed challenge run called the Tough Guy run. Only units who can punch or use Axes, excluding High Priest so I'm not tempted into using Spell Books. Those are for NERDS. Still using Martial master/monk for staves tho, gotta compromise cause they're animations are too cool to pass up on and staves aren't as nerdy. At least you can more reasonably bludgeon someone with a stick than a book.
@@OrlandoAguirre222 You don't even have to rely on Speedtaker if you're adamant about turn count or whatever, there are Covert Byleth rallies and bonuses from Special Dance that'll let her double fast enemies. Dire Thunder isn't really good on her because it's better to be able to delete enemy formations on enemy phase with bonded shield than kill one enemy and back away on player phase
@@nak113 I ain't adamant about turn count, more so just hate Speedtaker for making me perma-babysit a unit. Dire Thunder or just forging and engraving Thoron is good, especially combined with Canter so you can position her to be at 4 range so that you can trade that forged Thoron to another mage to attack the same enemy. You can really demolish enemies without ever needing much in defensive stats like tying SPD so as to not get doubled nor having that much DEF or RES. Ivy does this best for initiating and being flexible with it as she can fly, but sadly comes right after Canter leaves. At least you can position a mage with Canter and not care about the 3 range tile you'll trade from being over a void or something, so she's still good as the second Thoron user until she gets Canter where she can go first or second and not really care. Goated unit because of that. Making a +4 Radiant Thoron really got me through some scary enemies.
Really solid list, I agree for the most part, but I do think you overlooked a few units. I get your reasoning for not valuing staff users as highly, but if fe2 Silque is good enough to be an exception, I think fe5 Safy needs to be as well. Even if you aren't using it to skip entire maps, access to warp by chapter 8 gives you absolutely insane utility, and the fact that she comes with a personal hammerne staff in a game filled with busted personal weapons means that she functionally buffs osian, finn, olwen, asbel, leif, deen, etc etc. And that's leaving aside the other benefits of staff usage in fe5, like infinite range physic, sleep, berserk, offensive ward, etc. Also, I don't think it's quite fair to call Dimitri the worst of the fe3h lords, although I get that they're hard to compare. He takes more work than the other two, but after getting battalion wrath+vantage, he's an unprecedented force of nature, especially with retribution or the chalice of beginnings. Lastly, I respect going for a unique pick for fates, but there's no way you can't at least give an honourable mention to Camilla and Ryoma.
I can get behind nearly all the picks but Palla in SoV? A game with the Dread Fighters being an absolute overpowered class and makes every unit that can have access to this class absolutely amazing? But even if not considering that, in my opinion and maybe I was just unlucky, Palla was absolute thrash, even worse than Catria and after a bit of training Est. But personally I am seeing any Dreadfighter, Delthea, Mathilda and at least to a certain point Alm in front of Palla on any day in that game. (Oh and my Est was kinda great, but babying her can be troublesome so yeah)
I've been aiming for 100% completion at Engage and have been setting my weaker units up with rings to grind bond levels. To make sure I pass the level without all of them dying I send Kagetsu with them, no ring, forged killer edge and alacrity/vantage equipped. This man hasn't failed since I started using him. Sometimes I send Zelkov with him. I love my murder husbands.
Dark Knight Edelgard is an underrated unit. She hits hard on both sides and also tanks pretty well on both sides. Hapi with Seiros Shield in Silver Snow is very strong as well
For 3H its Edelgard - 2nd best strength in the game, easy access to death blow, access to darting blow, a natural in the Wyvern line, Amyr/raging storm nonsense and she also has the 4th best magic growth in the game with a decent hybrid black and dark magic spell list
You didn’t even mention inspiring song or shelter singing for azura in fates Getting +3 speed on demand or having MULTIPLE units be danced again is crazy Even still Camilla is still probably better than her in CQ
Camilla is definitely the best combat unit in CQ but if I'd have to choose between losing Azura or Camilla in an Ironman i'd rather lose Camilla. With how early Azura comes in and how much movement tech you can accomplish with her you'd suffer much more losing her than Camilla
i know robin is a monster in awakening, but i am kind of surprised you didn't even mention Donnel, i know he requires a bit of work, but it didn't take him long to be one of the best units in my playthroughs
The real problem with unit customization is that every game has a meta. A few classes inevitably are going to be best at overcoming the challenges the game gives you. So a lot of depth is lost in finding good units because it really is just who has the best stats and occasionally join time. This is also its greatest strength because bad units are easier to make viable but it does kind of kill unique unit design. I like fates the best I think but i wouldn't mind seeing a class system that's 1 step more restrictive or a skill system that isn't solely class based like engages. I like building units but its harder to enjoy when basically everything is available to anyone.
Edelgard strongest player phase with Raging Storm, but Dimitri I would say is strongest enemy phase with double wrath build giving him %100 crit consistently. Pair it with counterattack/vantage and you nuke the whole map, flying and axes don't even matter for that. I think special shout out goes to Lysithea since dark spikes is hilariously absurd.
I have to agree very much for your pick of Asbel in Thracia 776. It's provably becuase of shortage of mages in the game. We only get Sety but it's very late in the game. So late in fact, that at this point the master is outclassed by his apprentice. And for such a hard game that Thracia is, Asbel gets throught quite smoothly.
Not that anyone cares, but here's my personal ranking. Shadow Dragon Blade of Light: I didn't play much but the first armored guy was my best. Gaiden: haven't played Mystery of the Emblem: haven't played Genealogy of the Holy War: didn't play much, but the mage guy in the first part carried me through the chapter. Thracia: haven't played Binding Blade: believe it or not, my Roy was blessed with stats and was my best unit by chapter 3. Blazing Blade: Lyn. No further explanation. Sacred Stones: Eirika. My Eirika was blessed and got strength on every level up. I popped her a goddess icon right before the path split and she became op. PoR and RD: haven't played. Shadow Dragon: Wendell. I made him a sword master and he was unkillable. He dodge tanked everything. New Mystery: haven't played. Awakening: This is one of the few I actually beat. I played about 50 hours and can easily say my best was Einherjar Tiki. She only dropped below 30 HP three times. Once because she was under leveled, once because of a brave sword enemy who crit, and once because of Apotheosis. Fates Birthright: Oboro. My Oboro was better than even Corrin, and by far. Fates Revelation: Corrin. I just built Corrin to be op because I wanted it to be over. Shadows of Valentia: Alm. To keep it interesting, I'll say Tobin. On Celica's side, Saber and Celica combat wise. Overall it's Genny because of her summon soldiers. Fates Conquest: didn't play. Three Houses: so far I've only played Silver Snow, and my best was easily Byleth. He was far over the others. But for the sake of keeping this somewhat interesting, Catherine. She wouldn't stop critting and was unkillable. Engage: Engage is my most played game. Alear has always been my best. As with Byleth, to keep this interesting, I'll say Kagetsu. I built him with a +5 killing edge with Lyn's brand thing. I could give him the 2 luck +10 and 12 skills from Tiki and Byleth, but I instead went with Alactricity and Vantage from Leif and Lyn. He always goes first and almost always crits to kill an enemy before they attack. Well, there's my list. Rate my list or hate it if you'd like. Edit: forgot SoV.
I have some disagreements. Fe6 - I had liliana as a mage nuke, but apparently I was insanely luck with her stats. Also my rutger was useless. Fe7: Hector man. Marcus does fall off, not as hard as they used to but for the final chapter you'll have so many better options (heck, Hawkeye's better than Marcus) Marcus is also completely useless v the final boss. Radiant Dawn Maybe you didn't include him due to how little he's in the game but IKE just steam-rolls everyone. Also Awakening, Morgan is just a straight up upgraded robin most of the time.
Dimitri is not the worst of the three with the combination of battalion vantage and wrath, which is entirely exclusive to him alone. That combo alone can basically solo the entirety of maddening!
Palla for Echoes shocked me since most of the flying units in that game for my runs end up feeling rather frail. I'd say Alm or Celica rein supreme for me there, although Kliff is a ridiculous nuke too
suprised to see Marcia mentioned for por. Shes never been particularly notable in my runs, but ive also never invested very much in her. Maybe next time i play i should
My best unit everytime I play Path of Radiance is Nephenee. Idk if I just get good rolls on her or what but she's and unstoppable monster in all my playthroughs.
The issue with Path of radiance, is movement is king. The game is dominated by a cast of really strong cavaliers. A really good nephenee will always be worse than an average cavalier. The enemies are weak enough and all of the cavs have decent stats.
Yeah no as much as I love Asbel the winner is Safy. It's always been Safy as she has early access to warp and the repair staff which isn't as relevant but still very good. I will agree Asbel is a close second though 😊
Its only really only Safy who Staff carries outside of a promoted Asbel every other Staff user is missable the A Route exclusive Sleuf, Salem who is missable if not Captured which is also the same chapter you get Tina in 12x and the Ced/Saias split in Chapter 23. Safy hard carries Staffs until you promote Asbel who by then likely isn't Warp and instead fighting with Grancalibur so yes the FE5 Warp Priestess is a better unit than Asbel. Asbel has to contend with many Dark Mages/Sages in the game so having a Warp user nearly from the start is always better than the Mage who dominates everything
What's even more hilarious about Seth Is that he's NERFED. He was severely wounded by Valter and according to supports, he's still recovering and likely will never fully recover. Meaning, In lore, he could've been EVEN STRONGER.
i agree with most of your picks, i did have different experiences with some, but growth rates and rng factors i think you did due justice ( my marcus was the bane of my exsistence... he was so stat cursed my first playthrough that the ptsd made me hate him unconditionally ever since but i understand i was an exception, i have always heard good things about him in the community....). My only real gripe is probably three houses. Yea the game is very flexible and every unit can be amazing with the investment but imo, after 2000 hours of playthroughs... dimitri just wins. Hands down, no contest.If only for sheer lack of not even needing to do much to him, the bro is a absolute unit, chonk supreme, tanky af without even trying because he has amazing growths combine with personal skills. Dont need to care where he is, like ever, dudes gonna be fine, bro can solo the map probably. I cant say the same for claude or edelgard not to the same degree anyway, it just feels different. All three can wreck things, incredible units, i love all of them, i loved three houses and i started on edelgards route, shes my og lord but i cant lie Dimitri was always the most reliable stable powerhouse in my playthroughs in his route compared to the others on theirs.
Titania is definitely a very strong unit for a large part of of Path of Radiance - very fast, durable and is skilled with axes, emaning she deals more damage than other weapons do. Nonetheless, she is easily topped by Geoffrey in a late game with amazing Paragon ability (one that gives an unit doube the regular exerience). I'd say Titania is a stereotypical Jagen, albeit somewhat better. For the best unit in the game, however, I would hesitate between Ike, Stefan (especially with Vague Katti), Ilyana or Tibarn (unless you dont take into account just the final chapter). But stat-wise alone, Tibarn is the GOAT.
Rutger not only joins earlier, but is much better on player phase than Melady - there are very few enemies he can't delete in a single round of combat, even if he's far worse on enemy phase. Titania does fall off in PoR, but not the point where she's not worth deploying, goes from the best unit to like 8th best unit in the late game. Still the best for how dominant she is early. Unless you heavily invest in Jill, she's not going to surpass Haar until late part 4/endgame, while Haar is effortless, and you have to actively try to get him killed for most of the game. Palla is great in FE12, but she's no Kris, who is simply too good, especially in the prologue, which is notoriously difficult on lunatic. And even outside of lunatic, Kris has all prologue + 2 main story chapters to grow into an absolute unit - unless you actively ignore them or completely fumble their build in character creation, they're going to be better than Palla. She is 2nd best for sure though. I wish people stopped overrating Galeforce so much. It's amazing on paper, but the main reason for Robin's supremacy is Veteran - by far their strongest asset. Without investment, Sumia and Cordelia won't get Galeforce until late Valm arc (and are stuck in a worse class for 15 levels), while Lissa, Maribelle, Olivia, Say'ri and Emmeryn are never getting it without grinding. And even once they do, ORKO thresholds are pretty high in the late game, too high for most of them besides Robin (except lower difficulties, I suppose). I recommend trying Project Thabes to see just how hard Robin is carried by Veteran (in a version I've played, it was replaced by Hit +10). Without it, they're pretty whatever as a unit, and can't snowball nearly as well due to much lower exp gain. Have to agree with Azura being overall the best in Fates. Seperately it's Ryoma in BR, Xander/Camilla in CQ and Corrin in Rev. For Three Houses it's got to be Lysithea. She's a menace in both combat and utility, her spell lists are only missing physic and long range offensive spells, and even that can be alleviated with Thyrsus. And if her spells don't hit hard enough, she gets Soulblade from the budding talent, so there's pretty much no instance where she can't delete whoever she attacks. While Edelgard is indisputably the best in CF, she doesn't exist in other routes. Being top 3 in all four routes is better than being the best in one of them - same as with Azura.
Alear is the best unit for the exact same reason Azura is in at least 2 of the paths of Fates. Alear has access to all supports, utility from Corrin ring/personal skill, their strong af Engage in the late game giving you flexibility, their obvious availability, and they can easily circumvent the weaknesses of infantry lords AND support units with skill inheritance giving you canto which is also available VERY early. Corrin ring can literally stall out so much time with Alear with the Torrential Roar, but also allow you to take advantage of it further with their personal skill. No other unit can be this effective, especially the other dragons, with Corrin. On the hardest difficulties, Alear is just too crucial of a unit to give it to either Ivy or Kagestu. No way that Kagetsu's combat focus makes up for that strength, and Ivy is strong and has good utility, but it's nowhere near as good as Alear's when she basically has no personal skill, and support outside of staves use is limited. Her biggest weakness is inventory space tbh.
I would give Jill the edge over Haar because Haar falls off at literally endgame. It's at endgame that he suddenly can't double and also can't one-round KO. Although I guess you can always forge him a weapon.
okay but jill 'falls' of early game and needs a lot of investment. Haar is good no matter where he is even if he is slightly less good in engame. Haar litterally carries most chapters that hes in to the point where the devs needed to slap thunder mages everywhere. Jill doesn't have that, she comes online much later and starts doing well around the time you have several extremely good units.
Yeah, I definitely disagree with the thumbnail. Perhaps I'm lucky or maybe I just make smart decisions, but Roy has always end up overpower in my playthroughs. It's so easy to power him up and that's before he even gets the Binding Blade.
There's a few point's I'd disagree with but given the scope of the video, most of it isn't really a big deal or worth mentioning, but there's a couple points I think should be pointed out. First off, Dimitri doesn't really have that hard of a time reaching Wyvern Rider despite his Axe bane. Wyvern Rider is among the easiest classes in 3H to gain access to, and the requirements are so low that Dimitri can get into Wyvern Rider without much issue. Hell, even someone like Yuri who by design is supposed to be terrible at Wyvern Rider doesn't struggle all that much to reach that class. The second and probably more notable point is Echoes. I'm gonna guess you're not the biggest fan of Echoes, but I'd say, disregarding Silque and her Warping, the better units are probably between Leon and which Villager the player decides to make a Mercenary, preferably Kliff since his stats are best suited for that class. Palla definitely is solid but has some shaky matchups against some of the more dangerous enemies and bosses in the game, while getting Leon a Killer Bow as quickly as possible, while taking some game knowledge to accomplish, allows for Leon to outright trivialize most of the remainder of Celica's entire route. Villager!Merc (I'll just use Kliff as my example going forward) is your strongest unit in Alm's route, with the Lightning Sword obtained early being perfect for Kliff for a long while and the Mercenary class line just having really solid stats. Dreadfighter is an excellent class, and one of its traits is that, with enough EXP investment (whether you want to go out of your way to grind, or just by focusing a lot of kills into Kliff) can loop into another class, which causes their EXP yield to become comically absurd and allows you to get a Sniper, or even a Bow Knight, with the stats far outclassing even Dreadfighters. This takes some work but it basically means you will never have any issues with any map ever again, and even before Dreadlooping is attainable, Kliff outpaces everyone else in Alm's route pretty handily.
Kris is easily the strongest avatar in the series, yes even stronger than Robin. I think saying they can be worse depending on your choice is a really weird argument because it sounds like this list is assuming an informed player, meaning they make good decisions. Obviously we should be assuming male Kris goes fighter into dracoknight/berserker and female Kris goes cavalier into dracoknight/swordmaster, instead of something dumb like mage/archer. When we give Kris the tools he/she needs they will blow Palla out of the water, particularly in the speed department. In Fe3 it literally didn’t matter because her base is 3 points from the universal cap of 20 but in Fe12 it’s a bit shakier in the late game. Palla gets carried by her ridiculous bases for most of the game but doubling at the end usually requires stat boosters, even with classes like swordmaster and sniper. Definitely nothing to be ashamed of in a game with enemies this powerful but the fact that Kris doesn’t need those resources is definitely a point in their favor. Male Kris specifically will have much higher strength and a really good axe rank to further widen the offensive gap, along with access to berserker or horseman late game to escape dracoknight’s speed cap of 23 and fully leverage his speed stat. Not to mention Kris has a significant amount of extra availability due to this game’s extensive prologue, during which Kris is your best unit for every single one of those chapters. Hell by the time Palla joins male Kris can snag that first master seal and fly just like she can so she can’t even boast her flight advantage over Kris for more than a single chapter. He’ll easily be high enough level to have gotten all the experience he needs out of tier 1. And female Kris can fly at any time. (Though I wouldn’t recommend Pegasus knight in the prologue. Small maps, several archers, and lower bulk isn’t a recipe for success there. Just stick to cav and go pegasus knight once you get past chapter 1.) The way you hyped up Robin makes me think you’re talking about hard mode instead of lunatic, which I don’t blame you for because lunatic feels very untested and unfair. But on lunatic Robin feels awful to use without grinding because their bases are honestly kinda bad, they just don’t get to that snowballing point quick enough without the water trick in chapter 1. Meanwhile trying to play lunatic without Frederick is on par with medieval torture, so I feel like that choice is fairly clear. At the start you said all difficulties are factored in, but I’m not sure how each difficulty is being weighed here. If you’re just ignoring lunatic because it’s bullshit then I could understand saying it’s Robin. But either way I’d still say Kris wins if we’re talking strongest avatar, even on hard mode Robin struggles early game since thunder kinda blows tbh, while Kris dominates from beginning to end as long as you don’t sabotage them.
I will die on the hill that Perne is the best unit in Thracia -- even if he is basically just a thief. He may not be as destructively powerful as Asbel, but he takes advantage of Thracia's weird mechanics FAR better. He starts with high base stats, high growths, comes with one of the best weapons in the game with Kingmaker as well as Vantage to take advantage of its brave-effect, and his B-Rank swords allowing him to use almost anything else at base. He also has the highest Constitution of all the thieves, allowing him to steal items and weapons from enemies _very_ easily, which is useful, since thieves can steal eqipped weapons in Thracia. He has 5 Movement Stars, giving him a 25% chance after acting to trigger the Galeforce effect, and a FUCC stat (Follow-Up Critical Coefficient. We're very mature) of 5, meaning every second hit WILL be a crit. Critical Hits back then multiply the unit's base attack by 2, rather than tripling dealt damage, meaning Perne can just _shred_ through high-defense targets. He also has a mutual support with Lara, the dancer you're probably going to be using anyway, and he's _required_ to be recruited if you WANT that dancer. Unlike Asbel, he actually has the Constitution to capture enemies, and doesn't just fold the second a physical enemy looks at him funny, which is a nice boon to have since Thracia reinforcements are all ambush-spawns, so unless you give Asbel the Vantage Scroll, he's always gonna be in danger...y'know, Vantage, the skill Perne has at base. The only real downside I can see is that he's sword-locked, and doesn't have the Magic/Resistance stat to use Eyvel's Flame Sword, but that's not really a big deal to me, since his fantastic speed means he'll dodge most attacks anyway, and his movement stars allow him to retreat or just pick off a ranged enemy very easily. TL;DR, Perne mixes being a fantastic combat unit with unique and potent utility that abuses Thracia mechanics better than anyone else in the game.
True, but infinite range staves in tandem with his availability kinda makes me think staff users are better but they typically aren't the best combat target to warp or heal. It is for this reason that I kinda think best UTILITY goes to them, but over all combat AND utility might honestly still go to Perne. Combat on its own tho? Nah, Othian got the Pugi and Wrath and still has enough FUCM (I prefer calling it that cause it's sounds like Fuck Em and that's exactly what it does to who you attack) to still hit 100 Crit with his FUCM of 3, and Wrath for first hit Crit. Depending on the route you go after Ralph's map, you can get another Pugi without using Hammerne. That, and Pugi is uniquely his while Kingsmaker isn't uniquely Perne's. It'll probably be used for Charm anyway because avoid and crit stacking is kinda better, but you can do both if you just move in and attack with the Kingsmaker unit first so that all combats afterward get that 10% all around bonus. Also, FE being a strategy game doesn't really feel like the best place to bet or even hinge on a 25% proc for moving again, but it's definitely a neat bonus, but nothing that great. Still, even after all that I think Perne is like I said the best at both combat and utility. Just not outside of this consideration for both for the reasons I've explained. EDIT: Forgot to mention availability as another reason.
Problem is that staff units exist. Staves are way too good in this game so basically any staff unit will be a top tier unit, As el just has amazing combat on top of it. Leif can also use the kingmaker and can get vantage from the scroll. He also doesn't have to worry about fatigue and is force deployed on every map meaning he will be more reliable and cost less than Perne will. Osian is also here. Will always crit on both enemy phase attacks and will always crit on his follow up when initiating. However he also has more availability and a 1-2 range weapon so he does better against ranged foes.
@@OrlandoAguirre222 I'm not disagreeing with any of that. What Perne offers is the best _role compression_ in the game. If you need him to fight, he can fight. If you need him to steal or unlock things? He's got you covered, and doesn't even need a bodyguard. Staves are powerful in Thracia and there's no doubt about that, but any unit with the right staff rank can function very similarly to another outside of prf weapons like Tina's. No one else has the same ability to seamlessly transition from support to offense and vice versa that Perne has. As for the Movement Stars, you're right -- it's _not_ reliable. But 25% is still a fourth of all actions he takes -- including just *waiting.* Send Perne to do something, and very often he'll activate Galeforce. It's unreliable, sure, but it's not so low a chance that it's irrelevant to his performance as a unit. I might have given the wrong idea in regards to Kingmaker though. It's not his prf, but he also doesn't _need_ it to be a deadly threat. With how common Meisterschwerts become in the mid to late game, you're not exactly starving for brave weapons, even if they are still decently scarce. It's just that brave weapons synergize well with Thracia Vantage, which doesn't have an HP threshold. All that together is why I still firmly believe he's the best individual unit in the game. Warpers are powerful and there _are_ units who destroy enemies easier than he can -- but not everyone can do both to still-fantastic degree.
@@hanzou1238 Osian is a powerful combat unit -- you're right. But he lacks utility. In this argument, he's being compared to Asbel rather than Perne, since they're combat units rather than hybrids like Perne is
@@TwoHeadedMeerkat that's fair. The seamless transition is a point that is VERY fair to bring up. FE3H Mortal Savant and other such Phys Mag hybrids suck because you can never use both at once, and using a turn on one means not using a turn on the other. You have multiple units in FE so you can just have a good mage and swordmaster. However, Mortal Savant's hybridness revolves around combat. Perne's hybridness revolves around combat and utility. This means there will be turns where he doesn't need to attack and has reason to steal or lockpick. Other such hybrids don't really exist because they're a hybrid in the sense of just combat and that sucks. That's why good promoted magic units are seen as good like Pent. It's because Pent can Physic and Warp as easily as he can enemy phase all at once seemlessly. Perne has just that, so I agree with the sentiment that when comparing any other unit to both of these factors at once, Perne will always come out on top with his combined score in both. Literally just a shame that his availability leaves something to be desired because some of the biggest difficulty spikes take place before he joins. The Munster escape arc, and Dagdar's Gaiden chapter. Still, he comes in right before Glade's chapter and the one after that, so it's not all bad.
Saying Dimitri is worse than Claude because he "can't use axes or go Wyvern" is false. 3H Is the rare game where axes aren't that much stronger from lances for it to matter and, though indeed the best class, you can actually prefer to have a unit go Paladin because of the lack of flying gambits.
When I played FE2 the first time, Silque was always one or two steps back from my pick for best: the girl from the other team: Jeny, her nosferatu hit ratio was just too high, and she started and kept pulling out the team even after the pegasus trio join .. if I play FE2 again in the future, I'll maybe try to kill her and revive her for Alm's team, that would be something rare and unique to do, and would prove if Silque or Jeny is the best (but now I'm playing FE5 and sincerely speaking I'm getting really fed up with FE with this difficulty, maybe let me rest some... years XDDD)
I disagree on some games. New mistery of the emblem, if we consider the harder difficulties, Kris is the best by a landslide, Palla's still probably the second best tho. Shadow of valentia I'm not really sure Palla is that good, I'd personally pick Alm or Celica or one of the villager maybe Threehouses, yes Edelgard is the best unit since she has raging storm, but she's available only in ine route and the shortest one too, so is every other lord, if we want to consider what the best unit is in general, I'd pick Byleth, but they might have some competition
I disagree on Edelgard as the best unit in 3H. She's the strongest of the Three lords but has the worst availability and is in what's probably the easiest route overall. By availability alone the best unit should be Byleth or Lysithea. I also would put Dimitri above Claude since Dimitri probably has the best skill combinations in the game (B. Wrath + B. Vengeance) while Claude struggles to achieve the same level of damage that Edelgard and Dimitri do (even in his best class, that is, Barbarossa).
My echoes of valentía play through when saber solos the celica side and I don’t know how to kill the boss because saber took him to 1 health and hasn’t been able to kill him for 10 turns in a row.
I know FE3's Star Shards serve similarly to the Crusader Scrolls in Thracia in that they trivialize stat growths, but come on, Julian's growths are absolutely busted (and Rickard but Rickard is just an inferior Julian). Wth were they kn when they gave thieves those growths, he literally has a higher base defence growth than any other unit! I know the lack of promotion is a problem and older games are designed around the lower growths, but still. Literally the only functional thing holding Julian back--until the point where you'd have to be going out of your way to use unpromoted units unless it's a specific niche--is his low wlv, but that's pretty much the only growth he's consistently outclassed in. Just, wtf were they thinking.
I was on board for this list until the last four. While I can see the Azura arguement I cannot see Palla over Leon. For Three houses Dimitri's authority skills combined make him a 1 shot everything ever on both phases that has no equal. And even with a bane he still wants to go Wyvern. And for Engage I would've picked Chloé. Her high speed means that by the time Kagetsu and Ivy show up she's already snowballed into a rediculous unit they cannot compare with.
It was strange not hearing anything about Dread Fighters in SoV, that class is broken in that game with my prime example being Saber, it was strange hearing about Palla but not a single word about Saber
I can't agree with your 3H pick, it's Dimitri and it's not close imo. Batttalion Wrath + Battalion Vantage just tops everything the other lords have to offer.
Edelgard is by far the weakest of the three lords (yes, you can cheese a boss with raging storm basically once, but that's about it), but it really doesn't matter because crimson flower is almost insultingly easy at times compared to other routes.
Echoes palla is the only unit I can't see at all. Archers are just so broken in that game it has to be Leon/(dread looped) archer kliff. They're the best player phasers in the game and the best enemy phasers against some of the most problematic enemies, being other archers and mages. Palla is good, but probably not even better than the early mage you invested in on celica's route.
I think for FE3H the route situation imo would give it as a tie to all 3 house leaders for their own route, but the best unit in 3H across routes is a more interesting question as I think very strong arguments can be made for Lysithea, Byleth, all of the recruitable Black Eagles, all of the Ashen Wolves (but probably especially Constance and Hapi), and Sylvain. I think I have to give it to Lysithea though between how min-maxed her bases and growths are, how good her spell list is, and how soul blade is a criminally underrated combat art, and then on top of all that she has the mastermind personal skill which makes customizing her to ridiculous degrees possible or making her very busted even with very little investment.
Dont forget Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light Marth's unique ability of AI manipulation, where the CPU will always try to attack him if available. He's basically like an MMO tank that just draws all aggro his way
To be clear, that’s just in FE1, not FE11 (the one frequently called Shadow Dragon)
Thats less of a Marth thing, and more of the game as a whole thing. So I would hardly consider that a boon for marth
Im shocked that Pent wasnt even mentioned for FE7, that dudes a beast
Pent is definitely a top 5 maybe even top 3 unit in that game but Marcus is far and away the best in the game, he's no question your best unit for the first half of the game with no one else even remotely close and then second half of the game is still a top 5-10 combat unit even without any investment, he's useful at every point of the game, always worth a deployment slot, has perfect availability, and is the uncontested best unit in your army for at least 50% of the game
Pent is top tier but he joins super late in the game. Marcus is available from the start and is still probably your best unit at the end.
Pent may be the best mage, and Harken the best melee infantry, but Marcus is the best combat unit you have for the whole of the game.
Sheer availability combined with ease of improvement (bad growths? Feed him every stat booster!) Is what really ekes him out to number one. Otherwise it really is just:
1. Marcus
2. Pent.
3. Harken.
It’s just that Marcus is such a beast.
Yea I remember Pent as easily one of the strongest units in FE7 at least with starting stats.
Surprised Ike didn’t get a honorable mention in RD with how he’s borderline a boss enemy and utterly insane with nihil
Ike in RD is extremely jacked. His 3rd tier promotion is literally head and shoulders above other promotions, gets aether , Nihil , and guy cant get slow down cuz of how strong he is. Slap there Ragnell and its Pwnage incarnate
@@henryreturns1397not just that, he can actually just walk off getting hit with a crit even before getting promoted. Its insane
Same. The dude sweeps the game hard and the only unit capable of matching him in the game is the Black Knight, and of course the final boss.
Ike is among the strongest lord in the series. Haar is just that good, Jill as well with the flying canto utility and range, able to use axes right from early game.
@@lifeloverNorris right. I think what people are missing here is that Haar comes in chapters where the rest of your party just isnt great, but also continues to be amazing afterwards. Ike comes in where your whole party is pretty damn good. I think Ike is better than Haar in the long run, but Haar just provides so much more in the chapters hes available to the point where thunder mages are placed all over the place in every chapter he's in to prevent the player from just throwing haar into the middle of enemies.
I don't mind unit customization but I hope they do a new game in the old style, I kinda miss when we all had shared experiences over some of the units, like Seth being so OP he is able to one round, or at least two round, the final boss
I really like unit customisation but I think they need to tune it down a bit. Every unit being able to be any class is a bit much, especially in Engage where it just costs a few bond fragments.
I think Fates had found the right amount of balance honestly. Deep levels of customization, but not two units ever having access to the exact same class trees meant everyone had their own builds and as such their own, unique feel. Conquest especially was great on this aspect because due to the tighter ressources and lack of farming, you had to carefully choose what to do.
@@mvjbass9561 Largely agreed, although I think Three Houses is a bigger offender.
Three Houses doesn't even have default classes for most of the units. It takes a bit before you get real class flexibility in Engage, and even then, it's somewhat restricted based on the Emblems available.
Still, as far as classes go, I think we need somewhere in the range of 1-3 non-promoted classes, and 2-5 promoted classes each character can access. 3 unpromoted, 3 promoted. Classes are linear (Myrmidon -> Swordmaster) but each character can select 1 of 3, and carry some skills to the other when side-classing.
Notably though, I want level to not reset. If your character has access to Bandit that can learn Wrath at level 10, and Myrmidon which can learn Vantage at level 10, you can't get both since you can only hit level 10 once.
The unit customization did bring with it some replayability though. Something I now miss replaying older titles.
@@thoraxebe1754 You definitely want something of a middle ground with it.
Honestly, I feel Engage pulled some tricks it doesn't get much credit for to make limit customization.
Fundamentally, to make a unit, you select the following choices:
Character stats/growths, 1 ability
Class stats/growths, weapons, 1 ability
2 Inheritable skills
Emblem Skills, stat boosts, weapons, engage ability.
The biggest restriction is Emblems, their availability is limited, and you can only assign one per unit.
Next up, characters. As usual, availability is limited, you can only assign 1 per unit.
Inheritable skills: You can pretty much pick what you want, but they are limited based on the point in the game you're at. Mid-game units don't get access to Canter until late game for example.
Class: The most flexible aspect, anybody can be anything. But notably, early game units are class locked until around chapter 7, and reclassing is limited until mid-game. Even then, mid-game lacks a way to get knife, tome and lance proficiency.
It's still more flexible than I would like, but it's pretty notably you can't have, say, 2 Byleth or Corrin builds in your party. Plus, due to the difference in combat calculations and promotion systems, character stats matter a lot more than in Three Houses.
I’d have gone with Lysithia as the 3Houses rep. She’s not restricted to a specific route and she’s painfully obviously the most cracked student you can transfer in if you go Blue Lions/Black Eagles.
2 crests and the highest magic are good for Lysi. Also, shes cute 😉
3 houses is so weird to try to pick a best unit for because any Lord is only available for their own playthrough, and NONE are available for silver snow... So I'd probably pick Lysithia just because she's good no matter WHAT route you go
Lysithia with the War Cleric class is OP! Built her as a mage until mastered mage, priest, and bishop classes. Then go back and master fighter. Now you have a unit who will 1 shot most units, have okay defense and take next to 0 magic damage. She can level a demonic beast solo!
@@brandonp5929never would have considered her for war cleric
Crimson flower without recruiting her is probably the only exception for obvious reasons.
Bernadetta & Lysithea supremacy
Agreed. Picking a lord for 3 Houses was kinda scuffed. Lysithia is worth getting into your class regardless of route.
Yeah, Kagetsu is THAT good. Invest in his Wo Dao/crit stat and he'll kill everything. You can basically give him any ring and he'll still be able to make them work. If he makes the Lyn-ring clones, the clones become Yunaka level untouchable dodge tanks.
It's so funny when Kagetsu shows up in Engage and it's like...oh...he's just significantly better than my units in pretty much every stat...
Lol. Wo Dao is one of the few weapons in the game that's just not worth using.
At east give him a killing edge. +4 Mt, +5 Crit. It's -15 hit, but with Kagetsu's absurd skill, personal skill, that's almost completely irrelevant.
The killer axe is another +2 Mt, -10 hit, which would be preferred if you reclass him.
But almost any unit can run an effective crit build. Kagetsu is best off as a high mobility powerhouse that needs to be fed minimal SP.
@@plentyofpaper I came here to say that. Whenever I see a engage video of someone using a Wo Dao it kinda hurts.
Also, pre promotes having absurd SP kinda makes me like engage for giving them unique viability in that regard. Goldmary having 1800sp and Kagetsu with 1000sp is just good. Sadly join after they can get canter, but you can slap on Dual Assist onto Kagetsu at base with just some bond rings. Goated unit, but I think flying magic is still better for investment, so I think Ivy and Hortensia are better but meh, I think it can be argued to swing that decision either units favor of Ivy or Kagetsu.
Good thing I'm using him in my blind playthrough!
Trying to use him more as-needed, not a mainstay. Decided to be a Boucheron Boy
@@Direblade11 Lmao. I must ask, has Boucheron turned out good for you? It is a rare sight to ever see Boucheron be good so I'm curious if you might've made it work.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention Edelgard's Raging Storm combat art
Palla as the best echoes choice feels odd. Her str's decent but needs a good weapon and her spd is quite middling and she really needs to promote to stop being a liability. I'd say Celica's probably the best with her availability and how much she outshines pre-promotion Alm with her great speed, damage, magic and tools like the mage ring for free later whereas he needs a max forged killer bow
Echoes best character is Saber. Hands down. That man can infinitely reclass and is a beast with a Brave Sword
@@Ray-Zide I've never had Palla be a liability unpromoted. She is bulky enough to take hits and does good damage. I usually have her easily level 12 before Greith so she can then feed kills to Catria so they can both promote by the dragon shrine.
@@Gabe_29 I'd have gone with Saber too. Definitely hard carries for a huge chunk of the game. I wouldn't even put Palla that high.
Mathilda is pretty amazing
Palla can fly and Celica can't, and when you promote Palla it's over for Celica.
Okay Ryoma is just factually the best in Fates, Camilla being the best in Conquest, but I do agree with your opinion on Azura. But why did Palla beat Alm? He is LEAGUES stronger
I applaud you for picking Azura just cuz very few people would and that's at least different. That being said, it's Ryoma. And Camilla in Conquest. Like I agree Azura's utility and ability to fight makes her unique among the dancer class characters, but I just wouldn't say that's enough to make her the best unit in the game or I wouldn't qualify it as the best unit in the game. Because by that metric, wouldn't Sylvia/Lene from Genealogy be the best character in that game since they can refresh 4 different characters every turn?
And if you didn't have strong units she wouldn't be doing much
I actually kinda disagree with this notion for a few reasons. Azura is often times seen as the best dancer in the entire series, rivaled only by the herons and Seadall, but Azura definitely has an edge over all of them.
The first is her availability, having perfect availability in BR and Rev and only missing 3 maps in Conquest. This sort of availability is unmatched by every other dancer in the series, allowing her to contribute far more on every playthrough in comparison.
The second is the fact that shelter is a skill that exists. Shelter singing, as its known, essentially allows azura to sing multiple times in one turn, simple. But it also means you can, when set up correctly, sing to the same unit multiple times in 1 turn, which is only matched by Seadall in engage (the difference is he can only sing twice at max while azura can go up to 7 total times if done correctly).
Third is the fact that azura can reclass into one of the best classes in the game (Sky Knight into Kinshi Knight) which, along with surprisingly amazing growths, can allow her to be a great combat unit even outside of singing (also in songstress class, naturally being able to weild lances/naginatas is super huge).
Finally, branch of fate. This is a big one as you can make azura any level you want prior to branch of fate and she will keep that level for any playthrough you start at branch of fate. This can also allow her to use her (frankly amazing) combat stats but now at absurdly high levels that you shouldn't have at that point in the game.
For Engage, I feel there's a big 4, 4.5.
You got Kagetsu and Ivy. No argument.
Seadall as a dancer works exceptionally well with the Canter mechanic.
But the one I feel was forgotten here is Pandreo. He's basically magic Kagetsu. High speed and Con, plus high Mag from Sage and Byleth makes him an absolute monster. Plus, his boosted staff proficiency gives him access to Fortify, which can heal your party, and often instantly refill his Engage meter.
The .5 I mentioned is Alear. Specifically because of the raw utility offered from the variety of Dragon Veins while with Corrin. Vayle actually fills this role better due to being magically oriented and having access to 3 range for freezing targets, but Alear has better availability. This is a role that other characters just can't fill since they don't have access to a Dragon class.
Pandreo>Ivy honestly.
Kagetsu>>>everyone else honestly.
Ivy is kinda mid by late game, her speed does her no favours
@@yasahana4447 yeah Ivy is a weird choice, I'm picking hortensia over Ivy easily
Pandreo is goated. Capped HP and SPD as Sage on my 1st playthrough a few chapters before endgame. It was on Maddening and since it was my first playthrough, I didn't wanna buy DLC yet. Him, Ivy, and Kagetsu all nice. Will say although not unique to Kagetsu, he's a pre promote with good base sp. He can get Dual Assist with only bond fragments at base and this is good when considering he'll free up Lucina for others to use. I don't think Pandreo at base really has any skills to inherit at base that make him better than he is. That's why Kagetsu nudges out over Pandreo in being the best unit. It ain't by much, but availability and good inheritance to be a low maintenance unit that still does the sword master thing of initiating combat at melee range and killing the opponent from his start til the end of the game makes Kagetsu hard to compete with.
@@amanasd26 Ivy can one round the fastest enemies in the game with Lyn and choosing to inherit Speed+ skills or feeding her Speedwings. It doesn't matter if her base speed starts out mediocre when there are other ways to fix speed in Engage. She's better than Kagetsu because it's better to be able to move 8 tiles and kill stuff at 1-2 range than move 8 tiles and only being able to secure kills at 1 range. She's also the best bonded shield recipient for this reason.
three houses is Lysitha the best an absolute magic nuke with good range as for engage you have Yunaka she starts in the right class and once she has emblem corrin she is absolutly untouchable and can counter at almost any range
Give Lysethia Thyrsus and Valk class. With the movement and the Death spell, she is basically a shorter range, more accurate siege tome
While I’ll say that Edelgard is definitely the best unit in three houses, I do think Dimitri comes in at number two in comparison to Claude.
Battalion Wrath + Vantage is that strong
Combine that with retribution (or dare I say it, the chalice of beginnings)
And only gambits or reeeeallly tanky/evasive enemies can stop him
It’s not as broken as raging storm on wyvern Lord/Rider
But I think it’s more than what Claude brings to the table^^
I think Melady is better than Rutger on Normal Mode. Rutgar without hard mode bonuses is just good.
Tempted to say I like Shanna the most in normal mode because of availability
I agree if you don't count supports. If you support Rutger with Clarine and Dieck he's better than Melady and any of her supports.
Rutger is - by FAR, no other unit even comes remotely close - the best killing machine in the game. He can do only one job, but it's a job that the player needs through the entire game; that is taking care of dangerous units and bosses very reliably, and most of the time in one single round. Even without hard mode bonuses, after a while and with the right weapon, he doubles everyone with like a 60~70% chance to crit. He basically murders everything and everyone he touches, if properly trained and used.
Melady is strong, tough and has flying utility. She's basically the perfect multi-tool, bulky enough to survive quite a bit and with the Delphi shield, she becomes near unstoppable. She isn't as deadly as Rutger (even with a killer lance, though she WILL take care of most units in a single round with it), but she simply fulfills more roles.
I suppose it really comes down to which the players values more, but both choices are very much legit.
My boy Seth always showing his supremacy 😎
It might be a close call between Seth and Sigurd to be honest, but Sigurd has the Main-character bonus, so i'd say excluding main characters, Seth is the GOAT.
In Shadow Dragon, I'd give the best unit to Wolf once you reclass him as a general. Literally took 0 damage from things 99% of the time, he's just insane
i have some minor gripes w this list, primarily fe12 and echoes
while i see the argument that it's possible to make kris worse than palla, it's also possible to make him WAY better, so on average he's better than palla, also he's available for the entire game which is something worth considering
in echoes they somehow made the killer bow even better, and if you're considering the forged wing spear (which is what makes the wind spear good) then u should also consider the killer bow, specifically for leon considering he's by far the best archer, b4 palla i would also put genny for invoke soilders being so early, palla is pretty good, and by far the strongest flying unit, but not THAT good
(also edelgaurd is so clearly the strongest lord)
Yeah I really think Kris is defo the best. It's especially noticeable in the midgame when the wyverns and dragons (figuratively and literally) come flying in. Kris doesn't even need effective weaponry to one round them, but Palla does. Also, the prologues are surprisingly hard on higher difficulties, so Kris being present there is huge.
Naw, best Archer is Archer Atlas. Boy just gets insane Attack/HP and a tiny bit of Luck, that's all you need to Hunter's Volley anything to death and Atlas will do it better than any other archer.
@ i disagree, hunters volley heavily benifits from hitting both hits, which atlas will rarely do, you usually want him using heavy blow so if he hits he one shots or curved shot so he's hitting consistently
Anyone CAN one round late game enemies with hunters volley if they hit, leon is just the most consistent, and easiest, unit to do it with
@@Briggetchu25 Eventually both Leon and Atlas will almost always hit with Hunter's Volley once you're int the late game, you can just give Atlas one skill buff item when he's a Bow Knight and he'll be fine. Hell, the last time I used him he had only 12-13 skill going into the end-game and still had a 90-100% hit rate on average and out damaged Leon by a significant margin. Also, if you miss just turn wheel, you rarely need to use it as often as it allows you to.
I've beaten SoV about 5 times and Python & Atlas always ended up better than Leon for me.
One thing I will agree on is any Archer with Hunter's Volley is better than Palla or other units lol
Alm is undoubtedly the strongest in shadows of valentia. He is an amazing all arounder that can use killer bows which are the strongest weapons in the game
I would say Dimitri is the strongest unit in Three Houses simply because of how broken the Battalion Wrath + Battalion vantage combo is.
I would say It's Edelgard, because of raging storm.
@@tirex3673 I think you can generally do more with Dimi though because Bat Wrath/Vantage isn't limited to the durability of one weapon.
@@AshenVictorI disagree because there are other ways to do effective enemy phase combat. Dodge tanking, wrath+vantage, protection tanking. There isn’t multiple ways to get multiple actions in one turn. Anyone could enemy phase like Dimitri, no one can player phase like Edelgard
@@readtherules7101 I disagree with you, since... Dancer exists. You CAN have a strong Player phase. Singular, not plural, since It's pretty ressource eater. I agree, it allow for a lot of things, but only one turn (altough, it's thanks to Raging Storm that Edelgard could One turn her Final Boss)
Vantage+Wrath is absolutely not comparable to Batallion Vantage+Bataillion Wrath. On paper, that's the same thing but the fact that you need to be injured to use the skill makes you prone to lack a bit in the damage department, and taking hits. With 50% or less life, you REALLY don't want to be hit. Dimitri does not have to be set up every map also, and the fact he have the highest strengh of the game, both base and GR, is an agreeable bonus. And if you can be set up fast with Vantage + Wrath, maybe this unit isn't the best to use ennemy phase....
I'd say, Edelgard have a way to occasionnaly be the best player phase unit, while Dimitri is the indisputable Ennemy-phase King.
@@kirua258 dancer exists. But a a character like Felix, Sylvain, Byleth even with a dancer will never have the same PP power that Edelgard has.
Will a wrath+vantage+retribution+miracle battalion Raphael, Caspar, Hilda, etc require set up in map? Sure. But fundamentally it’s still just another way to EP. They can generally EP the same units as Dimitri and Dimitri having really high strength isn’t such an incredible point since a lot of EP builds stack critical hit rate for triple damage anyway. If anything Dimitri’s charm would be more valuable for avoiding gambits which aren’t hard to pick off in the PP for a strong team, since they usually aren’t common enough or accurate enough to need to change your whole play style around. Dimitri is great, but not irreplaceable. I genuinely enjoy dedue’s enemy phase a lot more than Dimitri’s.
For Awakening I'd say Morgan edeges out Robin due to them being a little bit MORE customisable on top of how strong Awakening child units are already.
Morgan is a Robin that can have Aether or be a Dragon.
By the time you can get Morgan, Robin has already broken the game.
@@kwbhockey right, But Morgan is essentially a new and improved Robin. does everything Robin does but better
Both Aether and being a Dragon are non-factors in breaking the game, and in fact being a dragon actually only hurts you rather than helping you (because the only thing it really does is give you a weakness across every class that you wouldn't normally have). The best skill combination uses Vengeance as the combat special of choice, so Aether's kind of wasted too. Vantage, Vengeance, Spendsthrift, Galeforce/Wrath depending on gender, and Limit Break / Tomesfare depending on DLC availability. None of these things require Morgan, even if Morgan can run it too. Plus, availability is a big factor too, you can be as good as you want, if you join late and underleveled, and therefore require significant investment or babying to reach that level, can you truly be called the best, especially when another unit did the exact same thing since the very beginning of the game?
Availability is being considered here, strength isn’t the only thing that matters
And don't forget both Morgans can have Counter AND Galeforce
So i'm gonna add my 2 cents
Binding Blade: Its rutger and it's not even close. One word. *Thrones* almost every boss in the game has that cheap ass cheating chair boosting their evasion to ridiculous levels and Rutger has the skill needed to hit them reliably, plus good strength, great speed and Killer Blades are easy ish to come by.
3H: and here's why i disagree. Wyvern Lord is fantastic. It's a flying class in a game with super canter and it has a faire ability for one of the strongest weapon types, and all you have to do to get Edelgard there is put her through peg for darting blow and then onto a wyvern....what's that? Claude's *personal* class is like someone fused Sniper and Wyvern Lord? He has 7(8 promoted) movement, Super Canter and Bowfaire? And comes with a ridiculous bow that gives him 3 range by default, 4 with bow range + and up to like 7 with the right CS? Not to mention the ridiculousness that is Falling Star?
All 3 Lords are good, but Claude is good *by default* without doing anything more than just training his bow and authority.
Bows really aren't that much better than axes by the time skip and if you're talking about personal weapons and combat arts edelgard literally has Amyr raging storm
100% agree on Rutger, he is THE boss killer
Rutger is top 3 indeed but I agree with the video.
Rutger is all combat, with the really good role of being the boss killer but Melady also has combat with flier movement and utility to go along with it. She can do so much shit around the map compared to Rutger who's always stuck to just fighting on the ground (not a bad thing, he is your best combat unit around)
The real argument here against Melady would be her availability since at the time of her recruitment, Rutger by that time has contributed to carrying the team so much and will continue to do so later on (especially if you pick Sacae) while Melady is just starting. But I'd argue that Rutger actually kind of scales back a bit due to how big maps are getting, which are things like Perceval and Melady are poised to take advantage of.
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Rutger but I think it really comes down to what you value more. I personally just rank Melady above everyone else due to what she can but I can say the unit feel is significantly better with Rutger
@@Ray-Zide I think Agarthium is a little harder to come by than what the other relics need to be repaired, but it's still bringing modern SRW action economy into FE (Sort of, some units in international era SRW can practically sweep maps single-handedly, within very few turns), and very, very busted by comparison.
Meh, unless you are doing LTC or speed run, you can kill most bosses before Rutger with Dieck and the ones after he comes along with Rescue dropping a mage, or in Dory's case just bait him into Hand Axe and 1 range him. Wagner also doable for Dieck and Debias is pretty doable with Lugh by that point. Leygance also Dies to Armorslayer and Scott can be Baited like Dory. I ain't familiar with Echidna route, but Zinc is pretty easy to do with Magic and the dude in Bartre's map I forgot his name but he's also doable with Magic. After that the human not-human is easy with Magic. If you've caught on by now most bosses don't require Rutger more than it requires magic other than Eric (Rutger hits more reliably and Lugh doesn't have enough training time yet) and Henning (rescue dropping a mage takes forever because of the map gimmick, so much so even I'm not waiting for that). Before someone gets the wrong impression, I don't mean killing a boss with rescue dropping a mage by waiting on only the mage to kill. You can typically throw Dieck, Marcus, or Zealot at the problem in tandem with a mage. Bosses are hardly an issue in Fire Emblem and so Rutger being a boss killer is hardly anything to write home about. It's great he does it so well in a game with some harder bosses compared to some of the rest of the series, but I've played with and without Rutger and the difference is a few turns or sometimes none at all. I ain't a Rutger hater, just a Fire Emblem fan. Also a Bartre fan, if that matters.
To add on to your points about Azura: thanks to Fates' pair up mechanics, it's also easy to allow her to use Sing twice per turn, which offers insane utility and opens up some absurd low-turn clears.
Hearing my girl Palla win best unit in FE3, FE12, AND FE15 made me cry a little I’m so proud of her
I give everyone Starsphere. ❤
Love the video! Always love learning about my favorite franchise
For me its
FE1: Marth
FE2: Silque
FE3: Marth (Book 1), Palla (Book 2)
FE4: Sigurd
FE5: Safy
FE6: Miledy
FE7: Marcus
FE8: Seth
FE9: Titania
FE10: Haar
FE11: Caeda
FE12: Kris
FE13: Robin
FE14: Azura
FE15: Gray
FE16: Byleth (I feel like I should default who is consistently best among all route availability, and quality of the three lords depends on New Game+ or DLC is available. Many default to Dimitri if DLC is used, but I think Edelgard with regular Wrath + Vantage + Defiant Crit could break even harder and she's a Wyvern Lord)
FE17: Alear, Chloe, or Ivy I found as my top 3 with Ivy winning out I believe.
I’d argue either Felix on the physical side or Lysithia on the magical side are the best units in 3 Houses
@zaneheaston8254 Oh yeah, Lysithea is also easily top 5 for me as well. In fact, as a Dark Flier and the Hero Relic staff which I keep forgetting how to properly spell, I found her my main for Golden Deer. Felix is also a badass Warmaster.
But Ultimately, Byleth has base stats, growth, top tier charm stat, 0 penalties, ect. He is the most simple but effective choice despite several options being better in specific areas.
Saber>Gray hands down
FE1: Marth
FE2 Alm Side: Alm
FE2 Celica Side: Catria
FE3 Book 1: Hard to say since this is easily the game with the least amount of discussion. Probably either Minerva or Wendell.
FE3 Book 2: Palla
FE4 Gen 1: Sigurd
FE4 Gen 2: Seliph
FE5: Either Asbel or Safy. Earliest Bosskiller vs Earliest Staffer.
FE6: Either Melady or Marcus, my vote goes to Marcus.
FE7: Marcus
FE8: Seth
FE9: Titania
FE10: Haar
FE11: Jagen
FE12: Palla
FE13: Robin
Birthright: Ryoma
Conquest: Either Corrin or Camilla
Revelations: Corrin
FE15 Alm Side: Mercenary Villager or Silque. Best Combat vs Healing/Warping.
FE15 Celica Side: Leon or Genny. Best Combat vs Physic.
FE16: Byleth for everything except Azure Moon, where it's Dimitri.
FE17: Chloe
For the first book of FE3 my Caeda turned to be a way better unit than Minerva
@@eleonorepb4565 I believe it, I wouldn't really know with FE3.
My one note is for 3 Houses
Dimitri could be argued to be the best because he’s the only unit that gets Battalion Wrath and Battalion Vantage in his Authority skill tree. This allows him to always strike first with MASSIVE crit chance on enemy phase while still being at full health. Still, it might not be as strong as Edelgard’s ability to strike 6x in one turn (once per map) with her signature weapon’s Combat Art, but he’s definitely better than Claude for that reason
Still - great video!
Best songs in every fire emblem next please!
This just sounds like a list of his favorite characters.
This was a very good list!.....except for Echoes. I think Echoes is massively misunderstood since most people only played it once. Palla's flight is hampered by the lack of meaningful maps to use it in Act 3, which is chock full of bow users and bulky monsters. Even with the "Super Palla" strat (give her a level and 3 exp boosters to early promote), she still struggles to solo significant portions of the map without a max forge silver lance or Catria's assistance.
The True best unit in Echoes comes down to whether you value staff utility or combat more. If you do, Genny is what makes it possible to snowball your combat units in Act 2 and Physic is super strong in this game.
Otherwise, the best unit is probably Leon, because he has early access to the Killer Bow, the undisputed best weapon in the game. 1-5 range high crit bow with access to a brave combat art is absolutely disgusting. You might argue that in that instance, Python joins sooner. But Python has essentially mandatory grinding in order to keep up on Act 3, and struggles without Sniper bases, whereas Leon has solid combat before the killer bow, and then after act 2 he basically has it within a few maps. He's also probably the best user of any stat boosters you get from shrines or drops. And when you're finally done with act 4, you can use a merchant to trade the killer bow over to Python to save you money.
Again, I'd like to say I really enjoyed the video but yeah the echoes pick was very strange to me.
One more thing for FE1 Marth's utility is that enemies are coded to home in on him. Marth has like a Taunt innate.
Great video as usual!
Wait, you exclude Warp from the list because it simplifies gameplay to a point it's no longer interesting, but judge the Three Houses Lords as if they were all Wyvern Lords? Why?
You still have to toil to make em wyvern people. Warping just needs a lil geometry.
Ayra is pretty badass too. As soon as I got her she proct Astra and I laughed at the meme being true. Love her.
I'll comment on the best units I've had from my experiences playing the games. I'll only bring up the games I definitely remember, so forgive the gaps.
FE4: Definitely Sigurd. Being a mounted unit is almost essentially given how large the maps are, his stats are impressive, and he will constantly be reliable throughout all of Gen 1.
FE6: I'd like to bring something up about Rutger-he is an amazing boss killer. Not only does he come as a strong Navarre archetype, but having that Killing Edge and being generally strong means he is guaranteed to stay on your team from start to finish. Melady will also do the same, being a contender for one of the best units in the series.
An honorable mention would go to Lugh, Raigh, Deick and Lot. All of them join with strong growths, with your only real challenge being who to use and who not to use. This game has a massive roster, so you'll need a consistently strong team.
FE7: First one I'll disagree with. This one is a battle between multiple units in my book.
Oswin, being a powerful tank.
Sain, being incredibly strong and reliable.
Canas. Not only is he your only dark mage, but he has access to Luna. FE7 Luna is broken-so broken it's entirely possible to one shot the boss with it. Yes, I've done it before.
Raven. He gets some monstrous boosts on Hector Hard mode, and once he promotes, he's next to unstoppable.
Harken has amazing stats and will stay strong from recruitment onwards. Also he's got a Brave Sword.
Pent. He's Pent and he will surpass Erk in just about everything. If he doesn't immediately convince you with his first appearance, I don't know what will.
Honorable mentions go to Nino and Geitz. Nino joins a little too late even for an Est, but she can pick up the pace very quickly. Geitz is a strange lad who has very strong utility, and something rare for Warriors: B rank in Bows.
FE8: Seth is so broken, it's a question if he's supposed to be a Jagen at all. Where most fall off, Seth only continues. The trainees (Ewan, Ross, and Amelia) are close behind, as their entire purpose is to become powerful once they promote. Considering how easy Sacred Stones is, that's easier said than done.
Honorable mention goes to Ephraim and Lute.
FE9: Titania and Marcia indeed compete for this one. Not a lot of argument for this one.
FE10: Undeniably, it's Haar. Jill is great, but Haar comes out swinging and swinging like a tank. He'll continue to do this throughout the rest of the game, and he will be guaranteed as one of your main units. Honorable mention is 100% Ike, who remains a constant beast from start to finish.
Awakening: It feels like cheating to bring up Robin, considering this is where avatar units started becoming extremely good. I'll say my picks for this one will be Cordelia. Great stats-but more importantly, she has access to Galeforce, an extremely strong skill that can be passed down to her child.
An honorable mention could be almost any of the child units, so my pick is Inigo.
Echoes: This one has multiple units fighting for it.
Gray. The moment you make him a mercenary, he will stay consistently strong. Once you get ahold of the Lightning Sword, this essentially makes him unkillable as he will deal massive damage for a good majority of Alm's Path-and even without it, he will still hit hard.
Mathilda. Amazing stats, an actual Res stat, and easily your best Paladin in the game.
Delthea. She may be the Est of this game but don't be fooled- her damage output makes up for it. She's an effective magic nuke, with only one real flaw being join time. Still as an Est, this shouldn't be too big of an issue.
Three House: Given how this game functions, I decided I'll rank the three houses separately.
For Black Eagles, this is a tie between Edelgard herself and Bernadetta. Both are really strong, and usually won't require much investment.
For Blue Lions, this is also a battle between a few people. Dimitri, Sylvain, and Felix. Dimitri is generally extremely powerful, Sylvain has being consistently good with strong growths, and Felix being a powerful sword user who is well rounded.
For Golden Deer, this is 100% Lysithea . She is arguably the best magic user in the game has access to very strong magic attacks, she has Mastermind meaning she will never fall off, and access to very strong skills natively.
Honorable mention would go to Claude, being a very powerful archer, and quite frankly the deadliest man in the room if you make him an Assassin.
Engage: I can also see this having multiple people fighting over it.
Kagetsu is busted. Even without customization of any kind, he will stay very strong and remains that way from joining onwards.
Yunaka, Hortensia, Fogado, and Ivy are all extremely good, all with respectable stats, skills, with the only debate being how you choose to use them.
Honorable mentions here? Panette and Jean. Panette being an absolute beast, and Jean, while he is a meme in his own right, he makes for an excellent Sage.
I'd say Chrom beats out Cordelia. Bar Frederick, he's the only unit who can tank the early game Wyvern Riders head-on and deal worthwhile damage in the process, let alone that the Rapier is a godsend in general (Lucina and Chrom can practically solo Chapter 13 thanks to it).
Blazing Blade for me would be either Marcus or Raven. But it would be Raven for me. Marcus may be good, but I kinda lost use for him after I promoted Eliwood. I got Raven to a Hero as early as The Port of Badon via Arena Abuse, and he carried my run for basically the whole game since he dodged and tanked a lot of hits
The only difference is - Raven needs Arena Abuse to still get outclassed by Harken and Marcus (if we consider Raven being Promoted at 20 and same lv as them).
Marcus comes in earlier, does Stuff in his first Chapter (Raven doesnt do anything in his Recruit Chapter unless you wait for him) and effortlessly carries every run.
He will only fall behind if you completly ignore him and your other Party is like all Promoted at 20 and higher lv than him.
Marcus being the best Unit in this game is honestly not a question, its a fact (like Seth and Titania in theirs)
it should be noted that dimitri can do a battalion vantage wrath build with war master and have around 80-100ish crit chance and attacks before enemy attacks on enemy phase so youre one shotting practically everything in the game while the other two lords require a lot of effort to make good in everything, dimitri IS good in everything, especially if you just give him chalice to deal with ranged threats against him and he'll be able to quite literally solo maps unlike any other unit due to all the abilities he has
Kagetsu is the best combat unit, but Hortensia probably wins on utility/support. Ivy is ok? she falls off in harder difficulties because of her speed
Meh, just use Thunder. If you don't have Olwen, just use Thoron. Very good to spam, and it's another magic unit to kill armor knights and great knights with because they have comically low SPD and RES for even Ivy to kill. All round just like any other mage but she can fly and is one of the few who can rarely boost damage with her personal skill. That last point ain't amount to much, but it's still something. I'd use her over the rest of the cast, or at least most of them. Enough to at least guarantee she has a deployment slot alongside Pandreo, Kagetsu, and Alcryst. You can honestly swap out Alcryst for Etie but I just choose to swap out Etie for Pannete. Both are gonna go Warrior anyway, but one has better personal and Alcryst can cover up the C rank bow weakness so that's why I use Alcryst. I only explain this because I know Etie folks tend to go a lil crazy when one mentions using Alcryst over her, so I have some reasoning as to why, which is less using Alcryst over her and more so using Pannete but oh well. The bow rank really is the only thing Etie has over her, so just forge and engrave a bow for any other bow rank user to use and if they double that's enough to kill most fliers.
Sorry that became a Alcryst v. Etie rant, just kinda covering my bases.
Ivy hits all the relevant speed benchmarks to oneround the fastest enemies in the game with Lyn and inheriting Speed+ skills or giving her Speedwings, the big commitment is just getting her ahead of the level curve by making her your main juggernaut. She's better than Kagetsu
@@nak113 You sure? I doubt that. Regardless, just use Thunder or Thoron. It doesn't take that much investment and time to pull off. Also I'ma kinda go against the grain here but I hate Speedtaker. Like, you're telling me I have to baby a unit for 3 to 4 kills every map till the become good and then do that EVERY MAP? May as well be using a growth unit at that point. That crap is even a detriment if you use more than one Speedtaker user. That's just like a growth unit. Nah, screw that nonsense. I'ma use Ivy with Thunder and play how I wanna play, with a unit being good on their join time. But hey, FE is cool cause of how you can replay and have different units be good because of growths or just using different ones cause why not. I might do a playthrough of getting Ivy to double like you say, but I sincerely doubt it's the best path for Ivy to get good. Sadly can't right now, I'm doing a self imposed challenge run called the Tough Guy run. Only units who can punch or use Axes, excluding High Priest so I'm not tempted into using Spell Books. Those are for NERDS. Still using Martial master/monk for staves tho, gotta compromise cause they're animations are too cool to pass up on and staves aren't as nerdy. At least you can more reasonably bludgeon someone with a stick than a book.
@@OrlandoAguirre222 You don't even have to rely on Speedtaker if you're adamant about turn count or whatever, there are Covert Byleth rallies and bonuses from Special Dance that'll let her double fast enemies. Dire Thunder isn't really good on her because it's better to be able to delete enemy formations on enemy phase with bonded shield than kill one enemy and back away on player phase
@@nak113 I ain't adamant about turn count, more so just hate Speedtaker for making me perma-babysit a unit. Dire Thunder or just forging and engraving Thoron is good, especially combined with Canter so you can position her to be at 4 range so that you can trade that forged Thoron to another mage to attack the same enemy. You can really demolish enemies without ever needing much in defensive stats like tying SPD so as to not get doubled nor having that much DEF or RES. Ivy does this best for initiating and being flexible with it as she can fly, but sadly comes right after Canter leaves. At least you can position a mage with Canter and not care about the 3 range tile you'll trade from being over a void or something, so she's still good as the second Thoron user until she gets Canter where she can go first or second and not really care. Goated unit because of that. Making a +4 Radiant Thoron really got me through some scary enemies.
Really solid list, I agree for the most part, but I do think you overlooked a few units. I get your reasoning for not valuing staff users as highly, but if fe2 Silque is good enough to be an exception, I think fe5 Safy needs to be as well. Even if you aren't using it to skip entire maps, access to warp by chapter 8 gives you absolutely insane utility, and the fact that she comes with a personal hammerne staff in a game filled with busted personal weapons means that she functionally buffs osian, finn, olwen, asbel, leif, deen, etc etc. And that's leaving aside the other benefits of staff usage in fe5, like infinite range physic, sleep, berserk, offensive ward, etc. Also, I don't think it's quite fair to call Dimitri the worst of the fe3h lords, although I get that they're hard to compare. He takes more work than the other two, but after getting battalion wrath+vantage, he's an unprecedented force of nature, especially with retribution or the chalice of beginnings. Lastly, I respect going for a unique pick for fates, but there's no way you can't at least give an honourable mention to Camilla and Ryoma.
I can get behind nearly all the picks but Palla in SoV? A game with the Dread Fighters being an absolute overpowered class and makes every unit that can have access to this class absolutely amazing?
But even if not considering that, in my opinion and maybe I was just unlucky, Palla was absolute thrash, even worse than Catria and after a bit of training Est. But personally I am seeing any Dreadfighter, Delthea, Mathilda and at least to a certain point Alm in front of Palla on any day in that game. (Oh and my Est was kinda great, but babying her can be troublesome so yeah)
I've been aiming for 100% completion at Engage and have been setting my weaker units up with rings to grind bond levels. To make sure I pass the level without all of them dying I send Kagetsu with them, no ring, forged killer edge and alacrity/vantage equipped. This man hasn't failed since I started using him. Sometimes I send Zelkov with him. I love my murder husbands.
You ranked Dimitri as the worst of the 3? Wild
Dark Knight Edelgard is an underrated unit. She hits hard on both sides and also tanks pretty well on both sides.
Hapi with Seiros Shield in Silver Snow is very strong as well
For 3H its Edelgard - 2nd best strength in the game, easy access to death blow, access to darting blow, a natural in the Wyvern line, Amyr/raging storm nonsense and she also has the 4th best magic growth in the game with a decent hybrid black and dark magic spell list
I'm currently playing Engage for the first time and Kagetsu just joined my crew, good to know he's busted lol
Seth its a level and league by it self. SETH ITS SETH
how do you warp skip a rout map?
You didn’t even mention inspiring song or shelter singing for azura in fates
Getting +3 speed on demand or having MULTIPLE units be danced again is crazy
Even still Camilla is still probably better than her in CQ
Camilla is definitely the best combat unit in CQ but if I'd have to choose between losing Azura or Camilla in an Ironman i'd rather lose Camilla. With how early Azura comes in and how much movement tech you can accomplish with her you'd suffer much more losing her than Camilla
i know robin is a monster in awakening, but i am kind of surprised you didn't even mention Donnel, i know he requires a bit of work, but it didn't take him long to be one of the best units in my playthroughs
The real problem with unit customization is that every game has a meta. A few classes inevitably are going to be best at overcoming the challenges the game gives you. So a lot of depth is lost in finding good units because it really is just who has the best stats and occasionally join time. This is also its greatest strength because bad units are easier to make viable but it does kind of kill unique unit design. I like fates the best I think but i wouldn't mind seeing a class system that's 1 step more restrictive or a skill system that isn't solely class based like engages. I like building units but its harder to enjoy when basically everything is available to anyone.
"while she isn't some combat monster or anything..." meanwhile, Azura's chilling with 50 Str and 60 Skl/Spd growths
Edelgard strongest player phase with Raging Storm, but Dimitri I would say is strongest enemy phase with double wrath build giving him %100 crit consistently. Pair it with counterattack/vantage and you nuke the whole map, flying and axes don't even matter for that. I think special shout out goes to Lysithea since dark spikes is hilariously absurd.
I have to agree very much for your pick of Asbel in Thracia 776. It's provably becuase of shortage of mages in the game. We only get Sety but it's very late in the game. So late in fact, that at this point the master is outclassed by his apprentice. And for such a hard game that Thracia is, Asbel gets throught quite smoothly.
Not that anyone cares, but here's my personal ranking.
Shadow Dragon Blade of Light: I didn't play much but the first armored guy was my best.
Gaiden: haven't played
Mystery of the Emblem: haven't played
Genealogy of the Holy War: didn't play much, but the mage guy in the first part carried me through the chapter.
Thracia: haven't played
Binding Blade: believe it or not, my Roy was blessed with stats and was my best unit by chapter 3.
Blazing Blade: Lyn. No further explanation.
Sacred Stones: Eirika. My Eirika was blessed and got strength on every level up. I popped her a goddess icon right before the path split and she became op.
PoR and RD: haven't played.
Shadow Dragon: Wendell. I made him a sword master and he was unkillable. He dodge tanked everything.
New Mystery: haven't played.
Awakening: This is one of the few I actually beat. I played about 50 hours and can easily say my best was Einherjar Tiki. She only dropped below 30 HP three times. Once because she was under leveled, once because of a brave sword enemy who crit, and once because of Apotheosis.
Fates Birthright: Oboro. My Oboro was better than even Corrin, and by far.
Fates Revelation: Corrin. I just built Corrin to be op because I wanted it to be over.
Shadows of Valentia: Alm. To keep it interesting, I'll say Tobin. On Celica's side, Saber and Celica combat wise. Overall it's Genny because of her summon soldiers.
Fates Conquest: didn't play.
Three Houses: so far I've only played Silver Snow, and my best was easily Byleth. He was far over the others. But for the sake of keeping this somewhat interesting, Catherine. She wouldn't stop critting and was unkillable.
Engage: Engage is my most played game. Alear has always been my best. As with Byleth, to keep this interesting, I'll say Kagetsu. I built him with a +5 killing edge with Lyn's brand thing. I could give him the 2 luck +10 and 12 skills from Tiki and Byleth, but I instead went with Alactricity and Vantage from Leif and Lyn. He always goes first and almost always crits to kill an enemy before they attack.
Well, there's my list. Rate my list or hate it if you'd like.
Edit: forgot SoV.
I have some disagreements. Fe6 - I had liliana as a mage nuke, but apparently I was insanely luck with her stats. Also my rutger was useless. Fe7: Hector man. Marcus does fall off, not as hard as they used to but for the final chapter you'll have so many better options (heck, Hawkeye's better than Marcus) Marcus is also completely useless v the final boss. Radiant Dawn Maybe you didn't include him due to how little he's in the game but IKE just steam-rolls everyone. Also Awakening, Morgan is just a straight up upgraded robin most of the time.
Dimitri is not the worst of the three with the combination of battalion vantage and wrath, which is entirely exclusive to him alone. That combo alone can basically solo the entirety of maddening!
Palla for Echoes shocked me since most of the flying units in that game for my runs end up feeling rather frail. I'd say Alm or Celica rein supreme for me there, although Kliff is a ridiculous nuke too
suprised to see Marcia mentioned for por. Shes never been particularly notable in my runs, but ive also never invested very much in her. Maybe next time i play i should
My best unit everytime I play Path of Radiance is Nephenee. Idk if I just get good rolls on her or what but she's and unstoppable monster in all my playthroughs.
She always ends up with a block of great stats. My only criticism on her is movement can be stifling on some maps
The issue with Path of radiance, is movement is king. The game is dominated by a cast of really strong cavaliers. A really good nephenee will always be worse than an average cavalier. The enemies are weak enough and all of the cavs have decent stats.
Yeah no as much as I love Asbel the winner is Safy. It's always been Safy as she has early access to warp and the repair staff which isn't as relevant but still very good. I will agree Asbel is a close second though 😊
Its only really only Safy who Staff carries outside of a promoted Asbel every other Staff user is missable the A Route exclusive Sleuf, Salem who is missable if not Captured which is also the same chapter you get Tina in 12x and the Ced/Saias split in Chapter 23.
Safy hard carries Staffs until you promote Asbel who by then likely isn't Warp and instead fighting with Grancalibur so yes the FE5 Warp Priestess is a better unit than Asbel. Asbel has to contend with many Dark Mages/Sages in the game so having a Warp user nearly from the start is always better than the Mage who dominates everything
What's even more hilarious about Seth Is that he's NERFED.
He was severely wounded by Valter and according to supports, he's still recovering and likely will never fully recover.
Meaning, In lore, he could've been EVEN STRONGER.
I'm still mad about what a letdown Engage was after the high of Three houses
i agree with most of your picks, i did have different experiences with some, but growth rates and rng factors i think you did due justice ( my marcus was the bane of my exsistence... he was so stat cursed my first playthrough that the ptsd made me hate him unconditionally ever since but i understand i was an exception, i have always heard good things about him in the community....).
My only real gripe is probably three houses. Yea the game is very flexible and every unit can be amazing with the investment but imo, after 2000 hours of playthroughs... dimitri just wins. Hands down, no contest.If only for sheer lack of not even needing to do much to him, the bro is a absolute unit, chonk supreme, tanky af without even trying because he has amazing growths combine with personal skills. Dont need to care where he is, like ever, dudes gonna be fine, bro can solo the map probably. I cant say the same for claude or edelgard not to the same degree anyway, it just feels different. All three can wreck things, incredible units, i love all of them, i loved three houses and i started on edelgards route, shes my og lord but i cant lie Dimitri was always the most reliable stable powerhouse in my playthroughs in his route compared to the others on theirs.
if ur argument is that you can use powerful units twice with a dancer, then the dancers are always the best unit imo
Titania is definitely a very strong unit for a large part of of Path of Radiance - very fast, durable and is skilled with axes, emaning she deals more damage than other weapons do. Nonetheless, she is easily topped by Geoffrey in a late game with amazing Paragon ability (one that gives an unit doube the regular exerience). I'd say Titania is a stereotypical Jagen, albeit somewhat better. For the best unit in the game, however, I would hesitate between Ike, Stefan (especially with Vague Katti), Ilyana or Tibarn (unless you dont take into account just the final chapter). But stat-wise alone, Tibarn is the GOAT.
Hector will always be the GOAT
Rutger not only joins earlier, but is much better on player phase than Melady - there are very few enemies he can't delete in a single round of combat, even if he's far worse on enemy phase.
Titania does fall off in PoR, but not the point where she's not worth deploying, goes from the best unit to like 8th best unit in the late game. Still the best for how dominant she is early.
Unless you heavily invest in Jill, she's not going to surpass Haar until late part 4/endgame, while Haar is effortless, and you have to actively try to get him killed for most of the game.
Palla is great in FE12, but she's no Kris, who is simply too good, especially in the prologue, which is notoriously difficult on lunatic. And even outside of lunatic, Kris has all prologue + 2 main story chapters to grow into an absolute unit - unless you actively ignore them or completely fumble their build in character creation, they're going to be better than Palla. She is 2nd best for sure though.
I wish people stopped overrating Galeforce so much. It's amazing on paper, but the main reason for Robin's supremacy is Veteran - by far their strongest asset. Without investment, Sumia and Cordelia won't get Galeforce until late Valm arc (and are stuck in a worse class for 15 levels), while Lissa, Maribelle, Olivia, Say'ri and Emmeryn are never getting it without grinding. And even once they do, ORKO thresholds are pretty high in the late game, too high for most of them besides Robin (except lower difficulties, I suppose). I recommend trying Project Thabes to see just how hard Robin is carried by Veteran (in a version I've played, it was replaced by Hit +10). Without it, they're pretty whatever as a unit, and can't snowball nearly as well due to much lower exp gain.
Have to agree with Azura being overall the best in Fates. Seperately it's Ryoma in BR, Xander/Camilla in CQ and Corrin in Rev.
For Three Houses it's got to be Lysithea. She's a menace in both combat and utility, her spell lists are only missing physic and long range offensive spells, and even that can be alleviated with Thyrsus. And if her spells don't hit hard enough, she gets Soulblade from the budding talent, so there's pretty much no instance where she can't delete whoever she attacks. While Edelgard is indisputably the best in CF, she doesn't exist in other routes. Being top 3 in all four routes is better than being the best in one of them - same as with Azura.
Alear is the best unit for the exact same reason Azura is in at least 2 of the paths of Fates. Alear has access to all supports, utility from Corrin ring/personal skill, their strong af Engage in the late game giving you flexibility, their obvious availability, and they can easily circumvent the weaknesses of infantry lords AND support units with skill inheritance giving you canto which is also available VERY early. Corrin ring can literally stall out so much time with Alear with the Torrential Roar, but also allow you to take advantage of it further with their personal skill. No other unit can be this effective, especially the other dragons, with Corrin. On the hardest difficulties, Alear is just too crucial of a unit to give it to either Ivy or Kagestu.
No way that Kagetsu's combat focus makes up for that strength, and Ivy is strong and has good utility, but it's nowhere near as good as Alear's when she basically has no personal skill, and support outside of staves use is limited. Her biggest weakness is inventory space tbh.
Can someone link the Bloom on the Breeze remix playing
I would give Jill the edge over Haar because Haar falls off at literally endgame. It's at endgame that he suddenly can't double and also can't one-round KO. Although I guess you can always forge him a weapon.
okay but jill 'falls' of early game and needs a lot of investment. Haar is good no matter where he is even if he is slightly less good in engame. Haar litterally carries most chapters that hes in to the point where the devs needed to slap thunder mages everywhere. Jill doesn't have that, she comes online much later and starts doing well around the time you have several extremely good units.
chris has nevr been completely busted on my playthrough legit can solo most maps by themselves
Yeah, I definitely disagree with the thumbnail. Perhaps I'm lucky or maybe I just make smart decisions, but Roy has always end up overpower in my playthroughs. It's so easy to power him up and that's before he even gets the Binding Blade.
There's a few point's I'd disagree with but given the scope of the video, most of it isn't really a big deal or worth mentioning, but there's a couple points I think should be pointed out.
First off, Dimitri doesn't really have that hard of a time reaching Wyvern Rider despite his Axe bane. Wyvern Rider is among the easiest classes in 3H to gain access to, and the requirements are so low that Dimitri can get into Wyvern Rider without much issue. Hell, even someone like Yuri who by design is supposed to be terrible at Wyvern Rider doesn't struggle all that much to reach that class.
The second and probably more notable point is Echoes. I'm gonna guess you're not the biggest fan of Echoes, but I'd say, disregarding Silque and her Warping, the better units are probably between Leon and which Villager the player decides to make a Mercenary, preferably Kliff since his stats are best suited for that class. Palla definitely is solid but has some shaky matchups against some of the more dangerous enemies and bosses in the game, while getting Leon a Killer Bow as quickly as possible, while taking some game knowledge to accomplish, allows for Leon to outright trivialize most of the remainder of Celica's entire route. Villager!Merc (I'll just use Kliff as my example going forward) is your strongest unit in Alm's route, with the Lightning Sword obtained early being perfect for Kliff for a long while and the Mercenary class line just having really solid stats. Dreadfighter is an excellent class, and one of its traits is that, with enough EXP investment (whether you want to go out of your way to grind, or just by focusing a lot of kills into Kliff) can loop into another class, which causes their EXP yield to become comically absurd and allows you to get a Sniper, or even a Bow Knight, with the stats far outclassing even Dreadfighters. This takes some work but it basically means you will never have any issues with any map ever again, and even before Dreadlooping is attainable, Kliff outpaces everyone else in Alm's route pretty handily.
I think that Frederick is the best Unit in Awakening because you need him to beat the first chapters of the highest two difficulties
Arthur with lewyn as father >>>>> seliph
Kris is easily the strongest avatar in the series, yes even stronger than Robin. I think saying they can be worse depending on your choice is a really weird argument because it sounds like this list is assuming an informed player, meaning they make good decisions. Obviously we should be assuming male Kris goes fighter into dracoknight/berserker and female Kris goes cavalier into dracoknight/swordmaster, instead of something dumb like mage/archer.
When we give Kris the tools he/she needs they will blow Palla out of the water, particularly in the speed department. In Fe3 it literally didn’t matter because her base is 3 points from the universal cap of 20 but in Fe12 it’s a bit shakier in the late game. Palla gets carried by her ridiculous bases for most of the game but doubling at the end usually requires stat boosters, even with classes like swordmaster and sniper. Definitely nothing to be ashamed of in a game with enemies this powerful but the fact that Kris doesn’t need those resources is definitely a point in their favor.
Male Kris specifically will have much higher strength and a really good axe rank to further widen the offensive gap, along with access to berserker or horseman late game to escape dracoknight’s speed cap of 23 and fully leverage his speed stat.
Not to mention Kris has a significant amount of extra availability due to this game’s extensive prologue, during which Kris is your best unit for every single one of those chapters.
Hell by the time Palla joins male Kris can snag that first master seal and fly just like she can so she can’t even boast her flight advantage over Kris for more than a single chapter. He’ll easily be high enough level to have gotten all the experience he needs out of tier 1. And female Kris can fly at any time.
(Though I wouldn’t recommend Pegasus knight in the prologue. Small maps, several archers, and lower bulk isn’t a recipe for success there. Just stick to cav and go pegasus knight once you get past chapter 1.)
The way you hyped up Robin makes me think you’re talking about hard mode instead of lunatic, which I don’t blame you for because lunatic feels very untested and unfair. But on lunatic Robin feels awful to use without grinding because their bases are honestly kinda bad, they just don’t get to that snowballing point quick enough without the water trick in chapter 1. Meanwhile trying to play lunatic without Frederick is on par with medieval torture, so I feel like that choice is fairly clear. At the start you said all difficulties are factored in, but I’m not sure how each difficulty is being weighed here. If you’re just ignoring lunatic because it’s bullshit then I could understand saying it’s Robin.
But either way I’d still say Kris wins if we’re talking strongest avatar, even on hard mode Robin struggles early game since thunder kinda blows tbh, while Kris dominates from beginning to end as long as you don’t sabotage them.
I will die on the hill that Perne is the best unit in Thracia -- even if he is basically just a thief.
He may not be as destructively powerful as Asbel, but he takes advantage of Thracia's weird mechanics FAR better. He starts with high base stats, high growths, comes with one of the best weapons in the game with Kingmaker as well as Vantage to take advantage of its brave-effect, and his B-Rank swords allowing him to use almost anything else at base. He also has the highest Constitution of all the thieves, allowing him to steal items and weapons from enemies _very_ easily, which is useful, since thieves can steal eqipped weapons in Thracia. He has 5 Movement Stars, giving him a 25% chance after acting to trigger the Galeforce effect, and a FUCC stat (Follow-Up Critical Coefficient. We're very mature) of 5, meaning every second hit WILL be a crit. Critical Hits back then multiply the unit's base attack by 2, rather than tripling dealt damage, meaning Perne can just _shred_ through high-defense targets. He also has a mutual support with Lara, the dancer you're probably going to be using anyway, and he's _required_ to be recruited if you WANT that dancer.
Unlike Asbel, he actually has the Constitution to capture enemies, and doesn't just fold the second a physical enemy looks at him funny, which is a nice boon to have since Thracia reinforcements are all ambush-spawns, so unless you give Asbel the Vantage Scroll, he's always gonna be in danger...y'know, Vantage, the skill Perne has at base.
The only real downside I can see is that he's sword-locked, and doesn't have the Magic/Resistance stat to use Eyvel's Flame Sword, but that's not really a big deal to me, since his fantastic speed means he'll dodge most attacks anyway, and his movement stars allow him to retreat or just pick off a ranged enemy very easily.
TL;DR, Perne mixes being a fantastic combat unit with unique and potent utility that abuses Thracia mechanics better than anyone else in the game.
True, but infinite range staves in tandem with his availability kinda makes me think staff users are better but they typically aren't the best combat target to warp or heal. It is for this reason that I kinda think best UTILITY goes to them, but over all combat AND utility might honestly still go to Perne. Combat on its own tho? Nah, Othian got the Pugi and Wrath and still has enough FUCM (I prefer calling it that cause it's sounds like Fuck Em and that's exactly what it does to who you attack) to still hit 100 Crit with his FUCM of 3, and Wrath for first hit Crit. Depending on the route you go after Ralph's map, you can get another Pugi without using Hammerne. That, and Pugi is uniquely his while Kingsmaker isn't uniquely Perne's. It'll probably be used for Charm anyway because avoid and crit stacking is kinda better, but you can do both if you just move in and attack with the Kingsmaker unit first so that all combats afterward get that 10% all around bonus. Also, FE being a strategy game doesn't really feel like the best place to bet or even hinge on a 25% proc for moving again, but it's definitely a neat bonus, but nothing that great.
Still, even after all that I think Perne is like I said the best at both combat and utility. Just not outside of this consideration for both for the reasons I've explained.
EDIT: Forgot to mention availability as another reason.
Problem is that staff units exist. Staves are way too good in this game so basically any staff unit will be a top tier unit, As el just has amazing combat on top of it.
Leif can also use the kingmaker and can get vantage from the scroll. He also doesn't have to worry about fatigue and is force deployed on every map meaning he will be more reliable and cost less than Perne will. Osian is also here. Will always crit on both enemy phase attacks and will always crit on his follow up when initiating. However he also has more availability and a 1-2 range weapon so he does better against ranged foes.
@@OrlandoAguirre222 I'm not disagreeing with any of that. What Perne offers is the best _role compression_ in the game. If you need him to fight, he can fight. If you need him to steal or unlock things? He's got you covered, and doesn't even need a bodyguard. Staves are powerful in Thracia and there's no doubt about that, but any unit with the right staff rank can function very similarly to another outside of prf weapons like Tina's. No one else has the same ability to seamlessly transition from support to offense and vice versa that Perne has. As for the Movement Stars, you're right -- it's _not_ reliable. But 25% is still a fourth of all actions he takes -- including just *waiting.* Send Perne to do something, and very often he'll activate Galeforce. It's unreliable, sure, but it's not so low a chance that it's irrelevant to his performance as a unit.
I might have given the wrong idea in regards to Kingmaker though. It's not his prf, but he also doesn't _need_ it to be a deadly threat. With how common Meisterschwerts become in the mid to late game, you're not exactly starving for brave weapons, even if they are still decently scarce. It's just that brave weapons synergize well with Thracia Vantage, which doesn't have an HP threshold.
All that together is why I still firmly believe he's the best individual unit in the game. Warpers are powerful and there _are_ units who destroy enemies easier than he can -- but not everyone can do both to still-fantastic degree.
@@hanzou1238 Osian is a powerful combat unit -- you're right. But he lacks utility. In this argument, he's being compared to Asbel rather than Perne, since they're combat units rather than hybrids like Perne is
@@TwoHeadedMeerkat that's fair. The seamless transition is a point that is VERY fair to bring up. FE3H Mortal Savant and other such Phys Mag hybrids suck because you can never use both at once, and using a turn on one means not using a turn on the other. You have multiple units in FE so you can just have a good mage and swordmaster. However, Mortal Savant's hybridness revolves around combat. Perne's hybridness revolves around combat and utility. This means there will be turns where he doesn't need to attack and has reason to steal or lockpick. Other such hybrids don't really exist because they're a hybrid in the sense of just combat and that sucks. That's why good promoted magic units are seen as good like Pent. It's because Pent can Physic and Warp as easily as he can enemy phase all at once seemlessly. Perne has just that, so I agree with the sentiment that when comparing any other unit to both of these factors at once, Perne will always come out on top with his combined score in both. Literally just a shame that his availability leaves something to be desired because some of the biggest difficulty spikes take place before he joins. The Munster escape arc, and Dagdar's Gaiden chapter. Still, he comes in right before Glade's chapter and the one after that, so it's not all bad.
Saying Dimitri is worse than Claude because he "can't use axes or go Wyvern" is false. 3H Is the rare game where axes aren't that much stronger from lances for it to matter and, though indeed the best class, you can actually prefer to have a unit go Paladin because of the lack of flying gambits.
Mfs made Seth look weak in heroes bro was so strong I was able to finish the entire game with him only
When I played FE2 the first time, Silque was always one or two steps back from my pick for best: the girl from the other team: Jeny, her nosferatu hit ratio was just too high, and she started and kept pulling out the team even after the pegasus trio join .. if I play FE2 again in the future, I'll maybe try to kill her and revive her for Alm's team, that would be something rare and unique to do, and would prove if Silque or Jeny is the best (but now I'm playing FE5 and sincerely speaking I'm getting really fed up with FE with this difficulty, maybe let me rest some... years XDDD)
Kagetsu is the best in engage on surface level but real gamers know Pandreo is the hidden goat
I disagree on some games.
New mistery of the emblem, if we consider the harder difficulties, Kris is the best by a landslide, Palla's still probably the second best tho.
Shadow of valentia I'm not really sure Palla is that good, I'd personally pick Alm or Celica or one of the villager maybe
Threehouses, yes Edelgard is the best unit since she has raging storm, but she's available only in ine route and the shortest one too, so is every other lord, if we want to consider what the best unit is in general, I'd pick Byleth, but they might have some competition
I disagree on Edelgard as the best unit in 3H. She's the strongest of the Three lords but has the worst availability and is in what's probably the easiest route overall.
By availability alone the best unit should be Byleth or Lysithea.
I also would put Dimitri above Claude since Dimitri probably has the best skill combinations in the game (B. Wrath + B. Vengeance) while Claude struggles to achieve the same level of damage that Edelgard and Dimitri do (even in his best class, that is, Barbarossa).
Me wondering what I did that made my Ivy so unusable in my Engage run
My echoes of valentía play through when saber solos the celica side and I don’t know how to kill the boss because saber took him to 1 health and hasn’t been able to kill him for 10 turns in a row.
Best unit in Three Houses, in my opinion, is Lysithea. She nukes everything.
I know FE3's Star Shards serve similarly to the Crusader Scrolls in Thracia in that they trivialize stat growths, but come on, Julian's growths are absolutely busted (and Rickard but Rickard is just an inferior Julian). Wth were they kn when they gave thieves those growths, he literally has a higher base defence growth than any other unit! I know the lack of promotion is a problem and older games are designed around the lower growths, but still. Literally the only functional thing holding Julian back--until the point where you'd have to be going out of your way to use unpromoted units unless it's a specific niche--is his low wlv, but that's pretty much the only growth he's consistently outclassed in. Just, wtf were they thinking.
Y'know, Palla ended up being my worst out of the three pegasus sisters in SoV. I dunno what happened, the other two just ended up being better.
I was on board for this list until the last four.
While I can see the Azura arguement I cannot see Palla over Leon.
For Three houses Dimitri's authority skills combined make him a 1 shot everything ever on both phases that has no equal. And even with a bane he still wants to go Wyvern.
And for Engage I would've picked Chloé. Her high speed means that by the time Kagetsu and Ivy show up she's already snowballed into a rediculous unit they cannot compare with.
She's much better than Leon lol
@@mysmallnoman hunter's volley is just a win button, archers are some of the best units, and leon does it the best.
@@Aeivious it only works on Player phase, as strong is at is
Also leon isn't even the best archer in the game, kliff is
i want a new fire emblem so bad ! i wouldnt mind a remake (as long as its not a remaster)
I say for echoes dread fighter is the strongest
It was strange not hearing anything about Dread Fighters in SoV, that class is broken in that game with my prime example being Saber, it was strange hearing about Palla but not a single word about Saber
I can't agree with your 3H pick, it's Dimitri and it's not close imo. Batttalion Wrath + Battalion Vantage just tops everything the other lords have to offer.
Well, i always play without the "strong unit from start". Seems i was wrong.
Dear Titania i'm so sorry
actually the best unit is fates is amiibo marth and i know from A LOT of experience (i always have my son)
Edelgard is by far the weakest of the three lords (yes, you can cheese a boss with raging storm basically once, but that's about it), but it really doesn't matter because crimson flower is almost insultingly easy at times compared to other routes.
Echoes palla is the only unit I can't see at all. Archers are just so broken in that game it has to be Leon/(dread looped) archer kliff. They're the best player phasers in the game and the best enemy phasers against some of the most problematic enemies, being other archers and mages. Palla is good, but probably not even better than the early mage you invested in on celica's route.
I think for FE3H the route situation imo would give it as a tie to all 3 house leaders for their own route, but the best unit in 3H across routes is a more interesting question as I think very strong arguments can be made for Lysithea, Byleth, all of the recruitable Black Eagles, all of the Ashen Wolves (but probably especially Constance and Hapi), and Sylvain. I think I have to give it to Lysithea though between how min-maxed her bases and growths are, how good her spell list is, and how soul blade is a criminally underrated combat art, and then on top of all that she has the mastermind personal skill which makes customizing her to ridiculous degrees possible or making her very busted even with very little investment.
Technically Mark was the first avatar not Kris but yeah