1: Love the way this is edited. They hang on reaction shots and don't cut away. 2: The most important part of acting is listening. And MacFadyen is the best listener.
For those of you here after 4x07, this scene certainly cements that Tom loves Shiv. Even if he can't help his opportunistic impulses, he gulps them down to be a supportive husband to her. The line "it's okay to say that you want it, I'd support you" is uncommonly touching for this show.
I’m not sure if I totally agree, although I think this interpretation is more than fair. For me I feel like Tom’s immediate reaction is more telling that he only sees his relation to Shiv as a relation to power. If anything him saying he supports her is just as much of a play as Shiv saying she doesn’t want it (when she actually does). But again, I totally see the desire to want to believe they might actually love each other. I think the characters want to believe they’re doing this for more than themselves, that’s what makes it feel good to them. But still it’s never clear…I think that’s what makes this show so brilliant, the uneasiness of it all. Does Tom support her? Does Shiv want it? Are either of them thinking of the other instead of themselves? It’s amazing how much torture we choose to go through just to thrive in capitalism.
Have you read the scripts for this scene? If you think Tom was supportive then i don't know what to say, she even tries to protect herself emotionally and because she's offered the top job he didn't want to make out with her.
@@chiomawoherem4625 think the two possibilities can be true: that he can love her and still is massive disappointed that he didn't get the job. This whole black and white with Tom and Shiv doesn't apply bc they both are driven and ambitious which doesn't coincide with love since love is supposed to be selfless. They are trying to balance what they want and want to achieve while not compromising the relationship that they are in. People like them want both and that's where it gets tricky.
Also, when they have dinner with the Pierce family, there's a shot of Logan on the left side and also Tom on the right side which is a foreshadowing of current and future CEO
Shiv may not love Tom that much, but she fully trusted Tom. She did not tell anyone but Tom her plan. Guess that is why his betrayal is so significant.
Well I mean at this point she is lying to him already haha. For Shiv this is about as close to the truth as she can get with someone because she is a wreck emotionally so I mean taking that into consideration I guess she does kind of sort of trust him
This is the bit where I kind of like Tom despite myself - he is jealous and self-serving and instantly turns it around to himself but the first thing he does is congratulate her and say it’s incredible and even though it’s all a blow to his ego and she knows that he’s still the only person who tells her it’s okay to want it, literally no one else Shiv knows would give her any of that support
@@jarmonjohnson well off course he was hurt but he played his role and supported her "play" when he could clearly see her lying about it, that she doesn't want it. Her words were empty too.
@@valeskamejia6523 lmao he's the breadwinner? What show are you watching? Tom wouldn't be where he is without his relationship to Shiv. That's why he's so desperate and clingy.
This is just another example of all shiv pulling the rug out from underneath all their so called plans and Tom gets the shaft. He thought they were a team--they are not--he is nothing but a pawn to her.
This is the bit where I kind of like Tom despite myself - he is jealous and self-serving and instantly turns it around to himself but the first thing he does is congratulate her and say it’s incredible and even though it’s all a blow to his ego and she knows that he’s still the only person who tells her it’s okay to want it, literally no one else Shiv knows would give her any of that support
he looks like he is about to bawl his eyes out.
Every Matthew Macfadyen's scenes are all gems in Succession.
He is brilliant
Tom Womsgans lmao
Are there any kisses ??
@@JethalalGada4 literally in this video bro
@@BatmanHQYT where can i download ...this series ...full...all season...
Website ???
"That's quite a big modification" LMFAO
1: Love the way this is edited. They hang on reaction shots and don't cut away. 2: The most important part of acting is listening. And MacFadyen is the best listener.
It's always so nice seeing these comments where viewers discover for themselves the brilliance of this show's style and details.
For those of you here after 4x07, this scene certainly cements that Tom loves Shiv. Even if he can't help his opportunistic impulses, he gulps them down to be a supportive husband to her. The line "it's okay to say that you want it, I'd support you" is uncommonly touching for this show.
I’m not sure if I totally agree, although I think this interpretation is more than fair. For me I feel like Tom’s immediate reaction is more telling that he only sees his relation to Shiv as a relation to power. If anything him saying he supports her is just as much of a play as Shiv saying she doesn’t want it (when she actually does). But again, I totally see the desire to want to believe they might actually love each other. I think the characters want to believe they’re doing this for more than themselves, that’s what makes it feel good to them. But still it’s never clear…I think that’s what makes this show so brilliant, the uneasiness of it all. Does Tom support her? Does Shiv want it? Are either of them thinking of the other instead of themselves? It’s amazing how much torture we choose to go through just to thrive in capitalism.
Have you read the scripts for this scene? If you think Tom was supportive then i don't know what to say, she even tries to protect herself emotionally and because she's offered the top job he didn't want to make out with her.
@@chiomawoherem4625 think the two possibilities can be true: that he can love her and still is massive disappointed that he didn't get the job.
This whole black and white with Tom and Shiv doesn't apply bc they both are driven and ambitious which doesn't coincide with love since love is supposed to be selfless. They are trying to balance what they want and want to achieve while not compromising the relationship that they are in.
People like them want both and that's where it gets tricky.
Is this the subtle foreshadowing for how it ends? Tom ends up being the CEO that no one saw coming
yes
Also, when they have dinner with the Pierce family, there's a shot of Logan on the left side and also Tom on the right side which is a foreshadowing of current and future CEO
Best actor ever Matthew Macfadyen.
I can watch this scene over and over again.
Really he is. Love him. Great actor! His eyes... Amazing.
Shiv may not love Tom that much, but she fully trusted Tom. She did not tell anyone but Tom her plan. Guess that is why his betrayal is so significant.
Well I mean at this point she is lying to him already haha. For Shiv this is about as close to the truth as she can get with someone because she is a wreck emotionally so I mean taking that into consideration I guess she does kind of sort of trust him
Most interesting fact about matthew macfadyen
He can act through eyes 👀this scene is the perfect example of this .
This is the bit where I kind of like Tom despite myself - he is jealous and self-serving and instantly turns it around to himself but the first thing he does is congratulate her and say it’s incredible and even though it’s all a blow to his ego and she knows that he’s still the only person who tells her it’s okay to want it, literally no one else Shiv knows would give her any of that support
That's deep for a screen writer to make come through in his characters
Lmao, Tom wasn't actually happy about her getting the nod. Those were empty platitudes he gave her.
@@jarmonjohnson well off course he was hurt but he played his role and supported her "play" when he could clearly see her lying about it, that she doesn't want it. Her words were empty too.
Exactly
Shes not perfect either
"That's still the plan, Me is just the modification of the plan"
the hidden humor in this show is just top notch.
1:58 ooooohhh, thank you director! The shot I waited for through season 1, finally I get it in season 2. She is so gorgeous!
best actor..he can play the man that every woman's mad about..and he can play as a dirtbag
Shiv literally has Tom by the balls.
Comment aged like cheese lmao
shiv is reversing the role.
2:53 Pause. You're welcome.
The shorter hair suits her face much better
That’s quite a big modification 😂
2:26 Always kills me laughing.
2:00 🤩
Mr. Darcy's descendant
I love this thumbnail, but it needs Tom Myers
Starts at 2:00 you’re welcome
Shiv with absolutely zero experience and self awareness to become CEO of a public company, ha only on TV
Thanks god it didn't happen😁
I love how every comment is either about how great his acting is, or time stamps of her 🍑
Because hers is out of this world
You know why you're here.
GYATTT
(Spoiler)
He meant to say Tom lol and accidentally said Shiv.
Shiv been doing Squats🍑😉
She definitely didn't deserve that position. You know with her lack of any business experience.....
3:00
2:06 , 2:53 😍😍✋🏻
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What an ass, agreed
Shiv is my obsession in this show 🙏🏾😇 shout out to the camera man 💪🏾
@@sometimesidontunderstand0029 She is so unique looking and her body is put together so well its insane!!!
It’s weird rewatching it. I hate Ken and loved shiv but the second time I watched it, it swapped.
Who the hell is ken?
@@LiberalsReadmyBio kendall
hello lesbians
hiiii
Shiv is weak for Tom.
Other way around.
Best actor ever Matthew Macfadyen.
I can watch this scene over and over again.
Omg ❤️ 🤤🤤🤤
I have seen many couples like that. The wife wearing the pants and the husband is just floating. 😂
It makes really easy. He’s the breadwinner too
@@valeskamejia6523 lmao he's the breadwinner? What show are you watching? Tom wouldn't be where he is without his relationship to Shiv.
That's why he's so desperate and clingy.
@@tomisaacson2762
And shiv only has that power because she’s a billionaires daughter
@@DontTakeThisSeriously616 No. as long as the couple is kool about it. 👌👌👌
@@valeskamejia6523 What?? Lofl you really thought Tom was the Bread winner? What do you think this show is about if not the Roy's?
This is just another example of all shiv pulling the rug out from underneath all their so called plans and Tom gets the shaft. He thought they were a team--they are not--he is nothing but a pawn to her.
This is the bit where I kind of like Tom despite myself - he is jealous and self-serving and instantly turns it around to himself but the first thing he does is congratulate her and say it’s incredible and even though it’s all a blow to his ego and she knows that he’s still the only person who tells her it’s okay to want it, literally no one else Shiv knows would give her any of that support
why did you copy/paste, word for word, another comment on this video, lol
@@Charles-Pettibone We have ourselves a real Wambstan over here