@@stipuledorange4 yeah, i agree... but he's not a genius... the stuff he conquered and the empire he build put him in a position where he creates the rules. he doesnt need to be a genius. Logan just do what he wants
@@SamSam-xw5lh Roman has the intuition but not the grit to stand his ground under pressure (but he tries). Kendall is book smart and calculating, but doesn't have the killer in him by nature like Logan. Shiv is very articulate and indeed smart but Logan is right, she doesn't want to compete. Tom having issues with Shiv might change her, Kendall is becoming a killer and Roman most def is growing as a person by doing the trainings, being held captive and working with Gerri. And Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.
@@alexk6343 this is an unpopular opinion but tom and greg to me are likely to get to the top, i think kendal roman and shiv arent built for this life they all have certain skills but lack the total package, they all should just explore different careers and start seperating from there dad business wise
I think Logan has a god complex and is just playing Shiv. He doesn’t really believe any of his kids could run his company. But didn’t like how Shiv choose politics instead of his company. So now he’s dangling CEO position in front of her.... idk this show is so complex and the characters are so layered there’s so many explanations for every scene. Ughh I love this show
Shiv is smart and ruthless, just like Logan. Her problem is that she wants the job without having to actually step up and take responsibility/get her hands dirty when she needs to.
Ewan Andris I don't think he was playing her. He was testing her and she failed on several occasions. After he asked her if she wants the job, he gives her several opportunities to take action, but she just puts her hands up and says "it's not my problem, I'm not in the company" .. and you can actually see Logan sigh and subtly shake his head in disappointment
@@darkknight_za Yeah but see what makes being CEO of a company so fun is that she can easily hire minions and underlings to do the dirty work for her. That really shouldn't be much of an issue.
It's incredible she pitches the idea to "lose news" and then believes she would be chosen. There was always a zero percent chance Logan would approve of that in the succession plan-news is the most consistent and reliable media business imaginable, and the sector of Logan's company that he's most proud of, by far.
News doesn't make much money, especially the last 10 years, which was her point. Companies hold on to news for political reasons, which she is against thus making her decision logical from her standpoint.
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ News channels do make money, but it is very expensive and very complicated to run a news channel and the companies that do own news channels could be making much larger profits if they invested their money into other things. But because so many people watch news channels and get a lot of their political opinions from them, these news companies understand that they have a lot of influence over their audience and use this fact to their advantage. For example, if you owned a popular news channel, you could use your influence over your audience to get them to support your political beliefs, like interviewing political lobbyists or endorsing politicians that support lowering capital gains taxes, so you could make more money. Politicians also understand how much influence news company owners have over the population and that would make you a powerful person and you'd have influence and connections to powerful people.
Too bad they cut this scene off too early. I love the moment after she says "Yes." Something like "Of course I wanna do it. You know I'd killing it" or something like that, it was so powerful. Great actress.
I think on the contrary this is a great strength of Succession. Many scenes are cut after point is made. It doesn't take us for idiots like manyyyyy tv show, which explain EVERYTHING. Succession is smart, and scenes are sharp as their characters.
This was a test, shiv failed. He wanted to see if she was a "killer" . 5 minutes into the conversation, he called her bluff and she folded instantly, he was able to find out every move she intended to make on the chess board before she could move a single pawn, he bought himself minimum another year of her not selling her shares. He knows she wants CEO badly, he knows she's prideful and impulsive, bhe knows she's a contrarian and only knows how to play defense. He is an evil genius and a master manipulator. This is why rhea was able to manipulate her so easily. Rhea is the only character on this show that plays on logans level. Possibly Greg the egg too.
Greg and tom are slowly becoming like logan but not there yet, i agree with your opinion on rhea but also ill add that guy who owns gojo from season 3 is also a guy like logan and the lady from pierce
When you spend your life trying to get your parent’s approval and they finally give it, well, it’s so easy to let yourself believe they really mean it. She stopped seeing him as Logan Roy, CEO and more as Logan Roy, her dad. And Logan let her believe it because it suited his interests best. When he says, “Shiv, why so angry?” He’s gaslighting her, making her think that she’s out of line for thinking he’s playing her against Ken, when in reality, that’s exactly what he’s doing in the scene: playing Shiv and her brothers against each other.
god this scene just set the rest of the season for me. because she wasn't in the family business in season 1, we never really explored the idea of her being the head of the company/her being considered up until this point and boy I was instantly HOOKED by the possibility. rooting for her forever
I always thought this was a trap. Logan just wants to see all his kids fighting for his company. Shiv was the only one who went her own way and appeared not to care and he got her here.
this is the first of two times she shows her hand too soon. The other being when blurts out to the Pierce family she is going to be the next CEO. Shiv needs to learn to have a better poker face.
Shiv pursues a career in politics as a way to sanitize her public image, but then listen to her talk about how useless things like 'indie films' are to her unless there's a way to merchandise them or turn them into a them park ride. Her motives and belief systems are no different than her family members, but she cares a lot about people thinking she's different.
One of my favorite aspects of Snook's performance is that she deepens her voice when she wants to present herself as an authority, a subconscious imitation of her father. But the moment she lets her guard down, it's a totally different register. Shiv is a woman who's had to employ every trick to succeed in a male-dominated environment.
shivroy true lol he was suppose to step down on first season and give it to Kendall. Lmao he backed out at the last moment. Why tell any of his kids if he isn’t ready to step down yet? Lol.
Logan remains me of my dad before he died he once told me and my two brothers to our faces and said " Old yes but remember I'm still smarter and better than you guys are so don't even try to BS me I know how to play the game very well
It's fascinating because it reflects what i suspect may be the truth - the daughters of tycoons are often way more intelligent and switched on than the sons. But sexism keeps them in their "place".
Little did she know that this was a test, and she failed at it because she wanted to skip all steps that would give her experience and credibility to run the company!!!
I think Logan wanted to find a worthy successor. He actually gave every one of his kids a chance and they all failed. Shiv said lose news, that’s a mistake. News is where Logan gets his influence and power and Shiv doesn’t see it.
Shiv I feel is not that smart and whatever reputation has in her career was because of her name "Roy". Her strategies are dumb tbh. Sarahsnook is great but she can not become a CEO
Shiv asked Logan what about Tom? Logan never answered. Does not consider Tom family although he publicly welcomed him into the family in Season. Endgame: new owner with Tom as US CEO.
@@rodrigokels24 I especially like it when her dad makes her cry lol. He knows exactly where her buttons are. It's just... So deliciously evil and devious.
Season 1 mostly follows Kendall. Season 2 is more about Shiv. I wouldn’t be surprised if Season 3 were about Roman coming into his own. Then Cousin Greg gets crowned in Season 4.
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Everybody in the comments is calling Logan a genius,when he’s really just emotionally manipulating his kid
he can be both dude
@@stipuledorange4 yeah, i agree... but he's not a genius... the stuff he conquered and the empire he build put him in a position where he creates the rules. he doesnt need to be a genius. Logan just do what he wants
Logan is just like my dad but not genius and stupidly manipulative and jelous.
Sigma grindset
@@alvaroprieto2092 cringe
She made a power move here, tried to make him beg her for what SHE wanted. But he saw through it, bluffed about selling, and won. Fantastic scene.
Logan is different league. Shiv isn't as smart as she thinks she is. Same with Kendall. Roman is the one to watch.
@@SamSam-xw5lh Roman has the intuition but not the grit to stand his ground under pressure (but he tries). Kendall is book smart and calculating, but doesn't have the killer in him by nature like Logan. Shiv is very articulate and indeed smart but Logan is right, she doesn't want to compete. Tom having issues with Shiv might change her, Kendall is becoming a killer and Roman most def is growing as a person by doing the trainings, being held captive and working with Gerri. And Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.
It was the opposite, this was a move by Logan to separate Shiv from Gil so that she is no longer a threat.
He saw about 100 steps ahead. My old director told me that’s key to strategy. It’s a game of chess. Pre empt your opposition
@@alexk6343 this is an unpopular opinion but tom and greg to me are likely to get to the top, i think kendal roman and shiv arent built for this life they all have certain skills but lack the total package, they all should just explore different careers and start seperating from there dad business wise
This woman is absolutely fantastic in this show.
Sarah Snook is an amazing actress.
arqavan f And gorgeous.
And Brian Cox is an amazing actor
@@travismcdonald6576 Rare beauty.
She submitted this episode for her Emmy nomination
Not really
2:08 - I love how the idea of Tom being CEO was so baffling and ridiculous to Logan he didn't even give a verbal response! 😂😂
😅 Tom Haven't proven himself yet in season 2
Discovered the show 5 days ago. Just blasted though all 12 episodes. Hooked.
Have you found the other 8 yet?
@@abstractronnie I can totally imagine an insult like this in the show. So funny, sarcastic and savage all in one.
Best show on TV. Then Billions then Fargo
This is going to go down as HBO’s best show. Love the sopranos, this has so much upside though
She looks amazing
I think Logan has a god complex and is just playing Shiv. He doesn’t really believe any of his kids could run his company. But didn’t like how Shiv choose politics instead of his company. So now he’s dangling CEO position in front of her.... idk this show is so complex and the characters are so layered there’s so many explanations for every scene. Ughh I love this show
Shiv is smart and ruthless, just like Logan. Her problem is that she wants the job without having to actually step up and take responsibility/get her hands dirty when she needs to.
Join my Patreon ? I think you’re both right.
Ewan Andris I don't think he was playing her. He was testing her and she failed on several occasions. After he asked her if she wants the job, he gives her several opportunities to take action, but she just puts her hands up and says "it's not my problem, I'm not in the company" .. and you can actually see Logan sigh and subtly shake his head in disappointment
@@darkknight_za Yeah but see what makes being CEO of a company so fun is that she can easily hire minions and underlings to do the dirty work for her. That really shouldn't be much of an issue.
Thank you for this comment
She has the best hair on TV
It’s sleek and makes her look so good. Fits her so well
Her fashion sense is sophisticated to a level only explained by being born a billionaire, so classy.
Nah. That award goes to stewy.
It's incredible she pitches the idea to "lose news" and then believes she would be chosen. There was always a zero percent chance Logan would approve of that in the succession plan-news is the most consistent and reliable media business imaginable, and the sector of Logan's company that he's most proud of, by far.
Yeah she was the sharpest of the bunch but also the most delusional, which was always her undoing
News doesn't make much money, especially the last 10 years, which was her point. Companies hold on to news for political reasons, which she is against thus making her decision logical from her standpoint.
@@gregh5061Could you please explain this to me? Why is it that news don't make money anymore?
Why is that companies use it for political reasons?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ News channels do make money, but it is very expensive and very complicated to run a news channel and the companies that do own news channels could be making much larger profits if they invested their money into other things.
But because so many people watch news channels and get a lot of their political opinions from them, these news companies understand that they have a lot of influence over their audience and use this fact to their advantage.
For example, if you owned a popular news channel, you could use your influence over your audience to get them to support your political beliefs, like interviewing political lobbyists or endorsing politicians that support lowering capital gains taxes, so you could make more money. Politicians also understand how much influence news company owners have over the population and that would make you a powerful person and you'd have influence and connections to powerful people.
I've just discovered this show... oh my God it's so so good.. acting, script everything is freaking amazing ! It deserves way more attention
Logan is so mean. He really played her so well it’s crazy
Too bad they cut this scene off too early. I love the moment after she says "Yes." Something like "Of course I wanna do it. You know I'd killing it" or something like that, it was so powerful. Great actress.
I think on the contrary this is a great strength of Succession. Many scenes are cut after point is made. It doesn't take us for idiots like manyyyyy tv show, which explain EVERYTHING. Succession is smart, and scenes are sharp as their characters.
This is one of the best moments of that season!!!! So freaking amazingly well acted!!!
This was a test, shiv failed.
He wanted to see if she was a "killer" . 5 minutes into the conversation, he called her bluff and she folded instantly, he was able to find out every move she intended to make on the chess board before she could move a single pawn, he bought himself minimum another year of her not selling her shares. He knows she wants CEO badly, he knows she's prideful and impulsive, bhe knows she's a contrarian and only knows how to play defense. He is an evil genius and a master manipulator. This is why rhea was able to manipulate her so easily. Rhea is the only character on this show that plays on logans level. Possibly Greg the egg too.
Good insight. The characters and dialogue are so layered which is why I love this show. What do you think she should have done?
We need more of these types of analysis, bestie!!
Idk, Rhea fails with Shiv’s tricks later
Greg and tom are slowly becoming like logan but not there yet, i agree with your opinion on rhea but also ill add that guy who owns gojo from season 3 is also a guy like logan and the lady from pierce
She is so gorgeous, can't have enough of her.
That was such an obvious bluff when Logan threatened to sell, I'm surprised Shiv fell for it
When you spend your life trying to get your parent’s approval and they finally give it, well, it’s so easy to let yourself believe they really mean it. She stopped seeing him as Logan Roy, CEO and more as Logan Roy, her dad. And Logan let her believe it because it suited his interests best. When he says, “Shiv, why so angry?” He’s gaslighting her, making her think that she’s out of line for thinking he’s playing her against Ken, when in reality, that’s exactly what he’s doing in the scene: playing Shiv and her brothers against each other.
Shiv is an amateur pops played her beautifully
@@Nighthawk-8050 lol and so are all the other Roy kids...
god this scene just set the rest of the season for me. because she wasn't in the family business in season 1, we never really explored the idea of her being the head of the company/her being considered up until this point and boy I was instantly HOOKED by the possibility. rooting for her forever
I came here just to look at that STUNNING cabinet in that room. Ugh, I would die to own it.
This was a good move by Logan to separate Siobhan from Gil so that she is no longer a threat, well played Logan.
Sarah Snook Season 2 was breathtaking
I always thought this was a trap. Logan just wants to see all his kids fighting for his company. Shiv was the only one who went her own way and appeared not to care and he got her here.
Eh, so did Connor, though Logan never saw him as a threat.
Sarah snook as shiv makes me wanna become a corporate woman
A snake basically.
this is the first of two times she shows her hand too soon. The other being when blurts out to the Pierce family she is going to be the next CEO. Shiv needs to learn to have a better poker face.
Shiv pursues a career in politics as a way to sanitize her public image, but then listen to her talk about how useless things like 'indie films' are to her unless there's a way to merchandise them or turn them into a them park ride. Her motives and belief systems are no different than her family members, but she cares a lot about people thinking she's different.
Just after it cuts off here: 'Remember this. This slant of light. Remember this.' Grade A writing
And her calling back to this scene in her speech.
Logan: “You know I didn’t build all of this up to have some rockstar CEO waltz in and take over.”
I guess Mattson fits the bill.
Shiv has all these ideas when in season 1 she was clueless about the company, having never worked there.
@@DontTakeThisSeriously616 Shiv wants it both ways. She wants to sit back in all the perks but doesn't want to work for it.
Shiv is my idol
One of my favorite aspects of Snook's performance is that she deepens her voice when she wants to present herself as an authority, a subconscious imitation of her father. But the moment she lets her guard down, it's a totally different register. Shiv is a woman who's had to employ every trick to succeed in a male-dominated environment.
oh man, 2:02 hints at the ending but no one could really see it back then.
Damn, she badddd
THIS IS A LIE TO KEEP SHIV SAFE FROM DESTROYING HIM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TASTE THE VICTORY
Ruan Lima he’s playing with all his kids lmao. but she can do it, i mean she’s good, smart and the only one possible
@@bentnecklady and she probably will smell his bs from miles
I feel kinda bad for Kendal. Honestly His character is lil weak but sincere.
shivroy true lol he was suppose to step down on first season and give it to Kendall. Lmao he backed out at the last moment. Why tell any of his kids if he isn’t ready to step down yet? Lol.
This is why I am so excited for Season 4. Aaaaahhhhh!!!
He knew she wanted the position, she knew she wanted the position but she just didn't want to appear desperate and overzealous.
It took me forever to realize Sarah Snook is actually Australian
Her accent sometimes pops up!
you can hear her accent come out a little at 2:39 lolol
"I haven't tought" yeah right Shiv we all beleave that one 😁
I never laughed so hard than at 1:57 "But, you haven't really thought about it?"
This is amazing😍
I was so excited when I watched this scene
saaameeeee
Shiv is my favorite character in the show. But she does think she's smarter than she is
Amazing acting.
“what about tom?” oooh shiv. if you only knew. also this is one the rare scenes where you could call her hair “messy “
He's a liar. Shiv should run & don't look back.
Im gay yet i wanna marry shiv
"you know I didn't build all this up to have some rockstar CEO take over." Ahahaha...yea.
Wait, Waystar Royco makes video game consoles?! How did I miss that when I watched this episode?
Thats why its called a conglomerate
@@williamalfonso1373 I already knew that they were a conglomerate, but thanks for letting me know, I guess…?
Shiv THOUGHT
Logan remains me of my dad before he died he once told me and my two brothers to our faces and said " Old yes but remember I'm still smarter and better than you guys are so don't even try to BS me I know how to play the game very well
Oh my sweet summer child... 🤣
Who else is here after watching Series 3 finale?
meee
Fantastic series and great acting, but almost half the lines are something along the lines of, 'Have you done a deal?' lol
Female Brad Pitt 😂
Funniest thing about this show is that shiv and Roman would both hate the ceo job
It's fascinating because it reflects what i suspect may be the truth - the daughters of tycoons are often way more intelligent and switched on than the sons. But sexism keeps them in their "place".
She's smart but very impatient and makes terrible decisions like marrying Tom without telling him that she wanted an open marriage
Sara Snookums
Because of Sarah Snook, I now like gingers.
Marcia Cross walked so Sarah could run!
@@moisemensah8233 IDK about that💀…
What about Tom? The forshadowing
Shiv is the smartest Roy child by far.
Little did she know that this was a test, and she failed at it because she wanted to skip all steps that would give her experience and credibility to run the company!!!
What about Tom?
He is such a bad father but I love him
"What about Tom?"
*sighs*
...
"So?"
It's the little things about this show
I think Logan wanted to find a worthy successor. He actually gave every one of his kids a chance and they all failed. Shiv said lose news, that’s a mistake. News is where Logan gets his influence and power and Shiv doesn’t see it.
Sarah Snook is beautiful and super talented.
But is it me or does she sound exactly like KAREN GILLAN doing her American Accent?
SPOILERS:
If Logan knew it ended up being Tom in the sale he would be rolling in his grave
Shiv I feel is not that smart and whatever reputation has in her career was because of her name "Roy". Her strategies are dumb tbh. Sarahsnook is great but she can not become a CEO
wait but where sarah snook is in that 😂😂
Shiv asked Logan what about Tom? Logan never answered. Does not consider Tom family although he publicly welcomed him into the family in Season. Endgame: new owner with Tom as US CEO.
it was'nt real
Lol and to think at the end of it all Tom was the one. But only because he would be a puppet CEO to Matsson.
Idk why but Shiv kinda gives kardashian vibes especially khloe the talking w pauses the expressions?? Just me?
Never even heard of this show.
Miadaskate you’ve missed out. It’s only on HBO so that’s probably why.
Once you get pass episode 3 it's so fucking good
Steven Dickerson Don’t assume things. I have HBO and still haven’t heard of this show.
Miadaskate well then you’ve missed out on a great show.
Steven Dickerson I don’t think that I have.
I love seeing her get outplayed, humiliated, and ruined.
👀 one of the more unsettling YT comments I’ve seen
@@rodrigokels24 I especially like it when her dad makes her cry lol. He knows exactly where her buttons are. It's just... So deliciously evil and devious.
Gee, you’d make a good Logan. Ps : not a compliment. 🥶
i hate season 2 because she’s in it so much. she’s just so smug and a know it all that it takes away from anything else
Season 1 mostly follows Kendall. Season 2 is more about Shiv. I wouldn’t be surprised if Season 3 were about Roman coming into his own. Then Cousin Greg gets crowned in Season 4.
@@733jaguar connor becomes president of United states season 5
Shiv was the worst actor on the show. Her forced voice was intolerable