The second hand embarrassment from all the awkward moments in this series (especially this scene) is unmatched...sheesh, I just wanna reach through the screen and put my hand over everyone's mouth
This shot 2:15 is so different then the rest of the camera work on the show. A steady travelling in. No shaky guerrilla style camera. It emphatizes Shiv emotional state in that moment. Like if she is attracting us towards her before explode.
Stuck out to me too. Kinda makes me wish the rest of the show was filmed in a more traditional, controlled style, or at least curious about what that would look like.
The filmmakers have a lot of steady shots like that throughout the series. Many of the steady shots are there to convey the seriousness of a situation, while other steady shots, like this one, makes the viewers focus even more and tries to prepare them for what's about to happen.
You have to love how Nan Pierce sees a tear between Logan and Marcia and they she proceeds to start ripping away at it. Shiv's timing could not be any worse.
I thought it was the least believable moment in this scene. He had just gotten through, not long before, telling everyone to play it cool. I was surprised he reacted that way.
@petep5207 He's 80 years old. That and the amount of embarrassment he was feeling from not just his kids but also his wife acting up makes it very believable
The worst part is Logan never wanted to give the company to Shiv. He just couldn’t handle having her work for his enemy right after Kendall screwed him over. He dangled the carrot in Shivs face long enough to quit and then didn’t have anything to do with her after.
I believe in his gut he knows they don’t hold up. I also believe he understands how all of his children’s shortfalls is a reflection of him failing as a father no matter how much success he’s had as a businessman.
@@jerry85g7 Exacty. Maybe he never intended to hold to his word, but he did give Shiv a plan and a timeline and she rejected it, she rejected the training. She proved to him that she wasn't serious.
Heavily heavily implied he said the same to Roman, the audience just didn’t see that one and only saw the scene with Shiv. So the whole time he was playing them both off each other.
This scene is so bone-chilling. I mean I had full-body cringe. I was feeling the fear that shiv must've felt when she realises she now has to face Logan.
correct and ppl still try to defend all her actions.. I liked her better when she was in politics at least she was doing something she actually enjoyed doing.. once Logan dangled the power over her head she lost it everything
I love show when the characters are in high position of power and you get the see the psychological chess game. That lady new she was going to rattle the cage. Hell of a power play
This dinner scene was absolutely perfect, remarkable and an absolute joy to watch as the meltdown unfolded. I mean the filming, acting, music and editing was superb but the real champs are the writers who did such a phenomenal job with the script. I have not seen such a well written show since Breaking Bad and Ozark! Such excellent story telling!!
@@frankieseward8667This is one of her main and saddest issues. No patience. She’s been cut out and excluded for so long that the second it seems she has a chance, she can’t wait for it or plan things out long term she just rushes in headfirst.
I love how Logan specifically waits for everyone else to leave him and Shiv in the room only for him to walk out. She announced herself and embarrassed her dad so that he would have to be straight with her and take his own offer seriously. But Logan recognised what she was trying to do and punished her for it. Ice cold.
Godfather taught us , you should never tell anyone , particularly outsiders what you are thinking , and shiv just let the cat outside of the bag ..............
I loved that Shiv got put in her place in this episode. She has to understand that Logan only made her the C.E.O. offer to get her away from his political enemy.
Every episode a huge event happens. There are no slow parts to this series ever, all while having no crazy action. Amazing how with such a words heavy show, it is easily the most entertaining one out there as well
All the above, but also she genuinely thought that her being the face of the company would smooth over tensions with left-leaning power players like Nan Pierce. It was her taking a gamble that she misjudged as a good strategic move.
I just don't understand why Shiv would have made that announcement. For whatever reason, Logan is clearly playing it close to the chest. Why would she undermine him?
Cause the bit*h only thinks about herself and she felt like she wasn't seen as a real player in the game. Which she 100% isn't, she should stick to politics...
Because at this time in the show, she had a good work opportunity working for an opposing politician (which would have embarrassed Logan), so Logan offered her the keys to the realm to keep her from working for this guy. She got tired of the empty promises, so she felt it was a power move to get it out there, so now he’d have the pressure to make it real. But she miscalculated. It’s Logan we are talking about. He doesn’t care to make good on things he says. He only cares to come on top. He wasn’t planning to ever do it, even if she didn’t embarrass him during the dinner. It was never going to happen.
@@siddharthshrivastava1399she never had a chance true me he just wanted her to seem as if she did he wanted to stop working with his enemies so he lied and told her he would make her ceo
@@ahsink.3080 that the only time his fuse goes off is when someone (his wife) showed affection, even when he had all the reason to overreact from Shivs antics as everyone else expected him to. it's just funny that Marcia trying to be kind is all it took for him to lose his temper, the intensity in that instant reaction and the tone of delivery is classic Logan. its also funny that his disrespect for women is so blatant and the annoyance is triggered by "buzzing around his ear". in the brutality is also humour, which the writing and acting highlights intentionally
'If I a had a year I couldn't tell you my whole life' This is something really boring people usually say. It's a bit like when people describe themselves as 'weird' or 'crazy'
So true. When someone says something like that I'm usually looking for an out and quickly. They are assuming you're interested in taking the next steps to hear about their journey when nothing could be further from the truth.
I mean the pierces definitely wanted to poke at them but the Roy’s are so un polished can’t keep their problems behind the door it really made that even more awkward then should be 😅
Fun fact: Logan actor (Brian Cox) would later go on to voice Wallace Senior (Jared Leto's characters dad) in the animated show Blade Runner: Black Lotus
Having just rewatched it again, this whole episode was such a perfectly executed cringefest capped with this dinner scene. Nan seeing and exacerbating a rift between Logan and Marcia was such a power move. Shiv’s smugness and lack of situational awareness that completely went away when Logan blew up was perfectly cringe. Roman’s look of defeat after going through training and doing things Logan told Shiv to do but she refused to thinking it would help him was just hilarious. Perfectly written and executed.
Rewatching Succession, Rhea would have a great job as CEO… Logan had a bussiness vision even if he was a terrible person. None of them kids were prepared
The only flaw of this scene is that there’s no Greg in sight. The Pierre’s would have had a field day with him. But I think he would have kept up with them better than the Roy siblings
I never got through many episodes - probably because the acting, etc is so good - it made my skin crawl. I was left wanting nothing to do with this kind of existence. I couldn’t get the attraction. Life is just too short. Can’t even finish this…
Even more than this scene, is the scene with Shiv and Tom in their room...just hilarious. And yes, I agree with all of you - the cringe factor is off the charts!
She’s saying Potempkin Pillage, Potempkin meaning having a false or deceptive appearance, especially one presented for the purpose of propaganda. Pillage meaning to rob a (place) using violence, especially in wartime. So what Rhea is saying to Nan sarcastically (I think) is that the acquisition that Logan is dealing with is fake or not really happening. That's why Shiv reacted the way she did after Rhea says it.
Logan really shot himself in the foot when he ditched Marcia for Kerry. Kerry is a colossal downgrade. But a person like Logan could never tolerate a partner who is remotely at the same standing as he is. He prefers them agreeable and stupid.
Shiv is just completely oblivious. Always blurting stupid jokes at the worst times, then she pulls this off. Man oh man if she kept her mouth shut who knows how far she would’ve gotten leveraging pierce
I know for a fact that Kendall is going to rip the company out of everyone's hands ✌️. After season 2, we know he is the one with the guts. The other siblings miss the bigger picture.
Me too! It’s always going to be Kendall! His dad is just making him 100% a calculated & confident CEO. Season 1 Kendall seems a little half baked to take over the company
I know this is kind of the point of the show, but what the f**k is Logan's problem with not naming a successor? His death isn't hypothetical, its a fact, its perfectly reasonable for people to expect a successor, yet he acts like hes being threatened every time its brought up.
Sadly I found this continuity mistake: when Logan mentions Gerri is on the papers her glass is almost full of wine and when she answers her glass is almost empty.
Anyone else think Logan dinging his glass was like when people want to silence a room for a toast or speech? Kinda like a FU you forced your moment and f*ck up.
" Roman, what's happening?! "
" My life just ended "
🤣🤣🤣🤣
the fact that the most educated guy at the table is asking Roman of all people what's happening is hilarious.
The second hand embarrassment from all the awkward moments in this series (especially this scene) is unmatched...sheesh, I just wanna reach through the screen and put my hand over everyone's mouth
You should see Peep Show. Jesse Armstrong's first show. Now that is second hand embarassment. This is Diet Coke compared to it.
@@1987Liono very much so lmao
its stressful to even watch it on tv cant imagine what it would be like to experience that in reality while sitting at the table.
Lool
@@red2977 This might come as a bit of a chock to you, but it's actually fiction.
This shot 2:15 is so different then the rest of the camera work on the show. A steady travelling in. No shaky guerrilla style camera. It emphatizes Shiv emotional state in that moment. Like if she is attracting us towards her before explode.
Perfect shot
Great observation
Stuck out to me too. Kinda makes me wish the rest of the show was filmed in a more traditional, controlled style, or at least curious about what that would look like.
Yooo that always stood out to me too, great catch
The filmmakers have a lot of steady shots like that throughout the series. Many of the steady shots are there to convey the seriousness of a situation, while other steady shots, like this one, makes the viewers focus even more and tries to prepare them for what's about to happen.
You have to love how Nan Pierce sees a tear between Logan and Marcia and they she proceeds to start ripping away at it. Shiv's timing could not be any worse.
I love the way she lays her head on her hand the second she discovers it as she realizes exactly what she can do with it.
Masterclass in building tension. What a show
1:17, the past and future CEO. Like that subtle imagery
Great catch, damn.
thank you for pointing that out! i took a screenshot
with shiv as the bridge between them
@@Lydia-gx4pf"right qualities to succeed"
You could say that he was, in fact" "Mr.Succession" of this show
The moment Logan takes out his anger at Marcia was brilliantly-executed my god this show
I thought it was the least believable moment in this scene. He had just gotten through, not long before, telling everyone to play it cool. I was surprised he reacted that way.
@petep5207 He's 80 years old. That and the amount of embarrassment he was feeling from not just his kids but also his wife acting up makes it very believable
"WILL YOU STOP!" Shiv was shaken AF @ 4:31 . That's the posture a young child does when they are waiting for punishment.
The worst part is Logan never wanted to give the company to Shiv. He just couldn’t handle having her work for his enemy right after Kendall screwed him over. He dangled the carrot in Shivs face long enough to quit and then didn’t have anything to do with her after.
I believe in his gut he knows they don’t hold up. I also believe he understands how all of his children’s shortfalls is a reflection of him failing as a father no matter how much success he’s had as a businessman.
Logan gave all of them a chance to prove themselves. They all failed.
@@jerry85g7 Exacty. Maybe he never intended to hold to his word, but he did give Shiv a plan and a timeline and she rejected it, she rejected the training. She proved to him that she wasn't serious.
Heavily heavily implied he said the same to Roman, the audience just didn’t see that one and only saw the scene with Shiv. So the whole time he was playing them both off each other.
@@xanthelinhs2143maybe bc shiv or neither of the kids truly want to be CEO? They just want daddy’s love in truth
2:36 Brian Cox face LOL. This whole series is an acting masterclass
Absolutely agree with you!!
LMAAAAO HE'S FLABBERGASTED
@@VAJ-fb4vqCompletely befuddled
@@DepravedCoTApologistshiv was given a lifeline and she threw it away. Dropping the ball is an understatement.
This scene is so bone-chilling. I mean I had full-body cringe. I was feeling the fear that shiv must've felt when she realises she now has to face Logan.
“she doesn’t like to talk about it”
her: anyways, SO
This is exactly why Shiv was never going to be picked.
Complete lack of experience and situational awareness
correct and ppl still try to defend all her actions.. I liked her better when she was in politics at least she was doing something she actually enjoyed doing.. once Logan dangled the power over her head she lost it everything
@@levisosa2953those are mostly entitled girls who see themselves in her
I love show when the characters are in high position of power and you get the see the psychological chess game. That lady new she was going to rattle the cage. Hell of a power play
This dinner scene was intense.
Kendall was the only one that kept this dinner together
Ken was the unsung hero of this episode
Dude just started dating and having a good time
Kendell knew when to keep his mouth shut. Shiv is an idiot
This dinner scene was absolutely perfect, remarkable and an absolute joy to watch as the meltdown unfolded. I mean the filming, acting, music and editing was superb but the real champs are the writers who did such a phenomenal job with the script. I have not seen such a well written show since Breaking Bad and Ozark! Such excellent story telling!!
ozark no
@@bncbcbbc31 ozark is good
Ozark? LOL
My favorite foods are lobster and skittles
Ozark? No lol. BCS, The Wire, Sopranos, GOT
I was rooting for shiv from the start until this point, the downfall was unbelievable
It showed how unprepared she was.
She had no acumen, no subtly, and certainly no patience. She was too reckless and brash and that's why she lost.
@@frankieseward8667This is one of her main and saddest issues. No patience. She’s been cut out and excluded for so long that the second it seems she has a chance, she can’t wait for it or plan things out long term she just rushes in headfirst.
@@angelbotagi and it's why Tom won. He played the long game and came out on top. He had the right qualities to succeed .
Were you still rooting for her when she put Nates hand inside her pants while she was engaged to tom?
@@frankieseward8667"right qualities to succeed"
You could say that he was, in fact" "Mr.Succession" of this show
This was Nan’s version of Boar in the Floor. She traps them all in a room and, while less overtly aggressive, aggressively extracts their secrets
She’s masterful in the way that she controls all the pieces on the board. Worthy opponent.
And after that she kept pushing for shiv to take over as a condition to close the deal lol
Kendall’s face at 2:38. Fantastic acting
Scenes like this are what movies used to do but just have lost the ability to do so. Talk about sustained tension...My God!!!!
Some movies do! Like Parasite
@@weirdisspeltweird Parasite’s overrated. I prefer The White Tiger. A great Korean film about class is The Handmaiden though.
@@timbuktu777 just watched the white tiger! Also very good. Ill have to check out the other movie you mentioned
The last movie that did something like with some sucess was Knives Out
@@TheWrestlingful Knives Out was amazing you're shitposting
I love how Logan specifically waits for everyone else to leave him and Shiv in the room only for him to walk out.
She announced herself and embarrassed her dad so that he would have to be straight with her and take his own offer seriously. But Logan recognised what she was trying to do and punished her for it. Ice cold.
The entire Roy Pierce dinner scene was the hardest scene to watch from the show. I was literally ready to throw up lol
I'm glad i wasn't there "WHEW"
I have difficulty in choosing this Dinner Party vs the Office Dinner Party 😂
Absolutely right.....
This one is funnier
And then Boar on The Floor scene is The Red Wedding of the show
The acting/character development on this show is truly unbelievable. It deserves all the praise and more.
How tf this was so intense without any music. 🤯
...there is music....
Exactly because there was no music. The silence is the most unnerving thing in a stressful situation.
bc ur little Brian cant comprehend actual scenes w out music
Every character could be a villian.
I had a knot in my stomach watching this the same as when I first saw it.
Godfather taught us , you should never tell anyone , particularly outsiders what you are thinking , and shiv just let the cat outside of the bag ..............
Shiv Roy time of death 2:35.
It's different seeing Logan around someone that he detests but also envies and someone that he needs to butter up in order to get what he wants.
3:04 Tom looking like he may have just wasted so much time and energy marrying shiv lmao
He realised that the moment she said she wanted an open marriage on their wedding night lol
You know that you messed up. When Connor give that look 😂
1:17 This shot here had to have been deliberate considering how the series ended.
yes, I was just thinking that!!!
The Spanish saying “The Fish dies from the mouth” is very fitting for Shiv
The way Logan looked at her I said to myself "Dam Shiv WTF " 🤦
Por la boca muere el pez 🐟🤣🤣🤣
One of the best scenes of the show
One of best scenes in Succession! The whole show is just PIECE OF ART!!👌
I loved that Shiv got put in her place in this episode. She has to understand that Logan only made her the C.E.O. offer to get her away from his political enemy.
Every episode a huge event happens. There are no slow parts to this series ever, all while having no crazy action. Amazing how with such a words heavy show, it is easily the most entertaining one out there as well
That was the most Roy thing I’ve ever seen!
Frank's face at 2:43 lmaoooooooooooo
couldn't believe they did that when i first watched this
What a majestic scene, wonderfully written, acted..
I can feel every bit of the tension in that room.
11 taps on the glass as Shiv stands there in shame waiting on her lashing. Lol.
Well placed probes by Nan led to an epic meltdown by the Roy family no one at the table saw coming. Point Pierce.
She was masterful in her performance.
i cannot believe shiv was stupid enough to do this!!! any person could see this was a bad decision
Shiv what were you thinking. Stupid you blew it girlfriend
i think she had enough of waiting on false promises
Its sad because despite how smart and strategic she is situations like this still happen because its so easy for her to hit her breaking point
@@angelbotagishe had no chill no long term planning. Her downfall was her own inexperience and lack of skills.
All the above, but also she genuinely thought that her being the face of the company would smooth over tensions with left-leaning power players like Nan Pierce. It was her taking a gamble that she misjudged as a good strategic move.
I don't think I breathed much during this scene 😂
This is got to be the most passive-agressive dinner talk ever. It was soffucating to watch 😂
I just don't understand why Shiv would have made that announcement. For whatever reason, Logan is clearly playing it close to the chest. Why would she undermine him?
Cause the bit*h only thinks about herself and she felt like she wasn't seen as a real player in the game. Which she 100% isn't, she should stick to politics...
Because, as the finale again proved, she is by far the worst of all the children.
Because at this time in the show, she had a good work opportunity working for an opposing politician (which would have embarrassed Logan), so Logan offered her the keys to the realm to keep her from working for this guy. She got tired of the empty promises, so she felt it was a power move to get it out there, so now he’d have the pressure to make it real. But she miscalculated. It’s Logan we are talking about. He doesn’t care to make good on things he says. He only cares to come on top. He wasn’t planning to ever do it, even if she didn’t embarrass him during the dinner. It was never going to happen.
@@simplyrowenshe might've had a chance before this point if she played her cards right
@@siddharthshrivastava1399she never had a chance true me he just wanted her to seem as if she did he wanted to stop working with his enemies so he lied and told her he would make her ceo
Guy: "Roman what's happening?"
Roman: "My life just ended?"
This scene was more intense than war movies
Shiv was the meanest of all and that is a fact.
this scene is tense but 3:21 fucking kills me 😂
Marcia does so well adfter the shout out.
What tf is so funny about that?
Absolutely.
An inner beast came out of him for a second
@@ahsink.3080 that the only time his fuse goes off is when someone (his wife) showed affection, even when he had all the reason to overreact from Shivs antics as everyone else expected him to. it's just funny that Marcia trying to be kind is all it took for him to lose his temper, the intensity in that instant reaction and the tone of delivery is classic Logan. its also funny that his disrespect for women is so blatant and the annoyance is triggered by "buzzing around his ear". in the brutality is also humour, which the writing and acting highlights intentionally
'If I a had a year I couldn't tell you my whole life'
This is something really boring people usually say. It's a bit like when people describe themselves as 'weird' or 'crazy'
So true. When someone says something like that I'm usually looking for an out and quickly. They are assuming you're interested in taking the next steps to hear about their journey when nothing could be further from the truth.
Man I was writhing on my couch during this scene it was so cringe. Painfully awkward for me just watching. GOAT show.
2:03 "There is a name" I believe he meant Shiv. If only she kept her mouth shut...
I don't think there was ever really a name. I think Logan would rather destroy his own company than give it to one of his children.
@@erikandersen3274 I say give it to Connor see what happens
@@erikandersen3274 this aged poorly
reminds me of scenes from The Godfather I and II when Sonny and Fredo would talk out of place
Best show ever
I mean the pierces definitely wanted to poke at them but the Roy’s are so un polished can’t keep their problems behind the door it really made that even more awkward then should be 😅
I needed a Tums after watching this scene
Are you kidding I need to go to the nearest liquor store
how do they shoot the scene like this? so many casts, tension, eye contacts, man..... i just wanna know... how they do....
Pretty much the whole cast has professional theatre experience, I imagine that helps
Now listen up friends, this is called excellent acting, and it doesn’t get much better than this.
This is exactly how I feel at Thanksgiving
What is it with every dinner scene in television being hard to watch
A sincere 'screw you' to whoever decided to not release season 2 on blu ray.
Mark: "huh...I said huh."
Love that part
internal differences that are incongruous with a polite conversation at the table keep popping up...
god every moment in this show is peak
"Will you stop!" LOL
Hey isn't that lady with Logan the one in Blade Runner 2049 as the one who told K to kill Deckard?
yup
Fun fact: Logan actor (Brian Cox) would later go on to voice Wallace Senior (Jared Leto's characters dad) in the animated show Blade Runner: Black Lotus
@@lucasharding5336 Woah!!! Nice!!
Tom went from looking sad for Shiv to wanting to say “you idiot!l at the end.
I love Marcia here
Logan looks like he wanted to climb in that glass of water @ 3:30. 😅
This show is such a masterpiece
Having just rewatched it again, this whole episode was such a perfectly executed cringefest capped with this dinner scene. Nan seeing and exacerbating a rift between Logan and Marcia was such a power move. Shiv’s smugness and lack of situational awareness that completely went away when Logan blew up was perfectly cringe. Roman’s look of defeat after going through training and doing things Logan told Shiv to do but she refused to thinking it would help him was just hilarious. Perfectly written and executed.
Rewatching Succession, Rhea would have a great job as CEO… Logan had a bussiness vision even if he was a terrible person. None of them kids were prepared
Mark is the Pierce’s Connor
Shiv is not as smart as she thinks she is
Exactly, she reminds me of Cersei from ASOIAF in that way. Only more unlikable/detestable the more you watch them
@@browniebear❤❤❤ of course
This scene is sooo goood
The only flaw of this scene is that there’s no Greg in sight. The Pierre’s would have had a field day with him. But I think he would have kept up with them better than the Roy siblings
I never got through many episodes - probably because the acting, etc is so good - it made my skin crawl. I was left wanting nothing to do with this kind of existence. I couldn’t get the attraction. Life is just too short. Can’t even finish this…
When are you dropping season 3
I was Tom during this entire scene 3:03
Even more than this scene, is the scene with Shiv and Tom in their room...just hilarious. And yes, I agree with all of you - the cringe factor is off the charts!
A what kinda pillage is Rhea referring to at 1:17 ?
Potemkin
Potemkin village
She’s saying Potempkin Pillage, Potempkin meaning having a false or deceptive appearance, especially one presented for the purpose of propaganda. Pillage meaning to rob a (place) using violence, especially in wartime. So what Rhea is saying to Nan sarcastically (I think) is that the acquisition that Logan is dealing with is fake or not really happening. That's why Shiv reacted the way she did after Rhea says it.
Logan really shot himself in the foot when he ditched Marcia for Kerry. Kerry is a colossal downgrade. But a person like Logan could never tolerate a partner who is remotely at the same standing as he is. He prefers them agreeable and stupid.
Thank you! I didn't know if I was the only one that felt that way. Every time when she's in a scene I don't want to look at her it's like ughh lol
Shiv is just completely oblivious. Always blurting stupid jokes at the worst times, then she pulls this off. Man oh man if she kept her mouth shut who knows how far she would’ve gotten leveraging pierce
Shiv why did she have to interject her response 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I know for a fact that Kendall is going to rip the company out of everyone's hands ✌️. After season 2, we know he is the one with the guts. The other siblings miss the bigger picture.
Me too! It’s always going to be Kendall! His dad is just making him 100% a calculated & confident CEO. Season 1 Kendall seems a little half baked to take over the company
This doesn’t age well…
All Logan children are damaged
Greg is the dark horse
uh oh
When your dad tells you to lie to the buffet about how old you are so he doesn’t have to pay more but you say your real age anyway
Man so Mark is just Mr. Kettleman reincarnated huh.
Where's Greg?
Lol I read and was like 🧐
its against his principles
He’s too tall
Just be thankful he's no there the you probably pee in his pants
@@ankursingh-uy3oe his principle?? 😒😒
Kendall lowkey did a great job during this dinner. Everyone else was fumbling bad
I know this is kind of the point of the show, but what the f**k is Logan's problem with not naming a successor? His death isn't hypothetical, its a fact, its perfectly reasonable for people to expect a successor, yet he acts like hes being threatened every time its brought up.
The successor to his empire is a big choice. He wants to make it count. That restaurant scene during his birthday makes his fear very clear.
Sadly I found this continuity mistake: when Logan mentions Gerri is on the papers her glass is almost full of wine and when she answers her glass is almost empty.
I mean I would’ve downed my drink to mask the awkwardness of this moment. Cause 😬😬😬
Anyone else think Logan dinging his glass was like when people want to silence a room for a toast or speech? Kinda like a FU you forced your moment and f*ck up.
WOW ! I'm so glad I'm not a part of this gee whiz 😳
I call the siblings the 3 stooges they always blow it.
Shiv isn't smart at all. That's the reason why Logan would never have her succeed him
This vid might as well be called "Shiv kills herself"