I have a 2023 Diavel V4 with a Termignoni Titanium Dragster exhaust and a 2024 Panigale V2. I ride mostly at 90 mph on the freeways out here in northern California. The wind doesn't bother me until I hit about 110 mph on my Diavel V4. Also the Panigale riding position takes a few thousand miles to get used to but now seems fine. I put over 25,000 miles on my Diavel V4 and over 2,000 on my Panigale V2. I'm 60 years old and I ride the bikes every day as my commuter vehicle, grocery getter and overall errand running. See Slow Rider Ducati.
Great video, man! I’ve been heavily leaning towards the V2 until they announced the new V4 which has a cruise control option. Which I think makes my mind up on the V4.
Cruise control is really nice. I have it on my Aprilia and it sure is nice to have on those little bit longer rides. Thank you for watching and for commenting!
I’ll do my best to provide some useful info for you. I can’t comment on the track aspect but initial impressions are there’s not a ton of difference for commuting between the two. I’ve had a V4 for about 2 months and I had a V2 for about 3 years. Luckily I still have access to my prior V2 so I should be able to make a pretty solid comparison video. Ride safe man.
Same. Been stuck between the two, but the new V4s being able to come with cruise control is a massive creature comfort that’s edging me to the V4 this next year.
Nice video. It always seems to me like the people that complain about Supersports usually don't like supersports in general. You really have to be committed to trading some ride comforts for the additional engagement you get from a Supersport. Also I'm pretty sure the "exhaust valves" opening/closing you're talking about is actually the cylinder deactivation. The V4 deactivates 2 of it's cylinders in neutral for emissions and heat reasons.
I agree about the supersport comment. Requires a little more commitment but it’s really not that bad. Some people act like you will die if you try to commute on a supersport. Those actually are the exhaust valves. Panigale and SF V4’s have a very specific set of conditions that need to be met in order for the computer to shut down the rear cylinders. Especially during start up, you want all cylinders firing so the catalytic converter warms up quickly. Direct from Ducati: Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds. Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
@@ridewithKY I want a Ducati panigale design so between 950S and V4 which one. I want one that I grow old with, I'm 21 btw. Drive it daily long and short rides. I want one that I get excited to drive long/short and safe and not be like oh this bike again. So yeah I really like the panigale design on 950, v2, v4 Please additional questions: 950S front is a bit less aggressive so if someone wants to change it to a V4 like aggressive front , can they? There aren't any videos on it
I’m sure it can be done but it’s not going to be a direct swap going from 950-V4. Nothing wrong with maybe starting on a used Panigale, have that for a few years and then get something else like a V4 later on. @_isshin_the_sword_saint
@@ridewithKY but again I've seen people say V4 is like a English wife. Whole 950s due to its comfort is like a Asian/Arab wife, she does everything, massaging toes, diner, clothes, you just live like a king. Hope that made some sense Also appreciate the fact you guide/reply to everyone in the comments 👍 Respect+1000
During break in, the power is in rain mode. I think it's 150hp. When your engine is in full power, the heat, economy and docile nature all mysteriously vanish. That's been my experience. It's also quiet in neutral because it's shutting down the rear cylinders. That's very useful in traffic when you are being melted.)))
Full power modes are available on the Panigale v4’s from the start. You can choose rain mode, but you aren’t forced into that mode or any reduced power modes. You are also incorrect about the cylinder shut down. On the 22+ V4’s, the exhaust valve opens when in gear. The rear cylinders only shut down when certain parameters are met.
@@ridewithKY I believe one of those parameters is being in N at a red light.))) Mine was firmly locked in reduced power mode during break in. and a very low rev limiter. My statement is purely my personal experience with ''my'' 23 V4S.)))
@WilliamSudek That is incorrect. You can tell when it's the cylinder deactivation because it takes a moment for the cylinders to fire again. It is very distinct, whereas the exhaust valve opening and closing is instantaneous. That's why when you change the exhaust on these bikes, the cold start up is still loud. Since that valve isn't there anymore, you don't have that silent start up and immediate increase in noise as soon as you select 1st gear. It also doesn't make sense to have the rear two cylinders deactivated below a certain coolant temperature because you need the catalytic converter to heat up quickly. This is also why you've probably noticed a lot of popping and rough idling at initial start up on your 23 V4S, that is the cat warm up procedure, which includes all 4 cylinders firing. When the bike is hot, pull the clutch in and then let it out just slightly. You can feel the rear cylinders activate at this point, it is very distinct and is nothing like the exhaust valve opening and closing. Anyways, this is direct from Ducati regarding cylinder deactivation: Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds. Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled. During break-in, you have an RPM warning come on at a low RPM. I do not recall the exact RPM but it is around 8000, your tachometer will flash yellow. Once you are past the initial break-in period, this will not occur at that RPM anymore. You do not have any power limitations. You can put these bikes into sport or race mode with full power capabilities with 1 mile on the odometer. These bikes are not like BMW's which have hard parameters during break-in. Ride safe, appreciate the comment.
@@ridewithKY I'm not going to challenge you on the cylinder shutoff. I didn't bother to investigate that. Reduced power mode, I was definitely not able to exit that mode until after my break in service was completed. The dealership is over a 100 miles away and I was able to round trip it before the restrictions were cancelled. It's not even close now. It's not Ducati saying this, it's that light that says "low fuel" that is giving me the information. And the cluster saying that. Every time I changed the setting, it let me go through the motions, but when I went back into the settings, reduced power was always highlighted. That's no longer the case after the restrictions were removed. I can seamlessly move from setting to setting. And the throttle is definitely not docile in the race modes or the sport mode. I also couldn't turn off the rear ABS during break in /race modes.
@WilliamSudek One of the dealership duties upon delivery is to demonstrate how to change modes, including the power modes. This checklist of items is mandated by Ducati. Every brand new Ducati I’ve ever bought, including this 23 V4 allowed the dealership employee to toggle through the modes prior to releasing the bike to me. You will also notice many reviews for these bikes on YT will show much less then 600 miles on the dash, yet the bike will be in race mode and allowing the reviewer to go all the way to redline. I wasn’t there for your break-in, but there aren’t any hard restrictions on these bikes during the break-in period. There just isn’t. Take care, ride safe.
Answered a lot of my questions bro. My biggest apprehension is the all negative propa out there. Nobody wants to spend a ton of money on something they have to throw a lot of money at just to ride around like a daily.
I am glad the video was helpful to you. There is a lot of BS out there. Most of it you will find is just people repeating what others have said and don't have any personal experience to speak to. There are downsides to Panigale's just are there are downsides to anything else. At the end of the day it's really not that bad. Motorcycles are inconvenient in general, a little more inconvenience is a small price to pay if it means getting the bike you actually want.
Appreciate your review. I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. I can’t daily the V4R. It’s not happy in day-to-day stop and go traffic; it will melt your thighs. The SFV4S on the other hand is so much more usable day-to-day. Now on the highway at speeds above 75 mph, it’s not the best ride on the SFV4S. The wind buffeting is real. To deal with it you have to take a more aggressive tuck position on the bike. If I’m mostly doing city/ around town with some back roads I ride the SF. If it’s highway/ “canyon carving” type roads, the it’s the Panigale. On the quick shifter, it’s smoothest when you shift at or above 7,000 RPM. I find it to be buttery smooth at that point or above. Below that it’s a little jerky.
Thanks , for this Video and detailed breakdown of the most mis-understood points. I have a V2 and in fact bought it 1 year ago instead of the V4 for all the mis-information about the V4. 🤣🤣 1 year later have never reached 185mph in my V2 dont think I would even tap into the V4’ 200plus mph either.. so im staying V2. For new buyers though this video will help them make a better informed choice. ❤
No, those are the exhaust valves. It’s a very specific set of conditions that need to be met in order for the computer to shut the rear cylinders off. Older v4’s do do it… it was added as early as 2018 as a software update from Ducati. Direct from Ducati: Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds. Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
I rode a V2 streetfiighter and loved it. I currently have a monster 821 and looking to upgrade. Love to have the V4 but the price difference is significant
V4’s are up there. Over the years they’ve really gone up. We see again with the 2025’s that they’ve gone up more. Hope for you that in the near future your financial situation allows you to get the bike you really want. Ride safe.
@ridewithKY I can afford one now. Just trying to justify it lol. Even the wife said she wanted me to get a diavel with the race exhaust. It's me that can't bring myself to buy one lol. Sucks getting old and responsible lol.
Thank you! I think it depends on what your daily commute looks like. If you have a tighter daily commute with lots of low speed maneuvering, then the v2 is better. Other than that scenario, I would suggest a v4. There is a price difference between the two so it depends on if it’s within budget as well. Figure a base v4 is over 30% more than a base v2. Really can’t go wrong with either, both are excellent. If I had to choose one though, it’d be a v4.
@@ridewithKY I have a pretty short commute using the streets to work, but it’s a good 3040 minute commute. I also like to hop on the freeway now and again and go to the city to enjoy some nightlife. I would hate to miss out on the V4 if I buy a V2. I don’t wanna have a buyers remorse. I really enjoy the speed and the exhilaration.
If you can afford it and don’t want buyers remorse then I would get a V4. I know the V2 and V4 on paper are close in weight but it does not feel that way when manipulating or riding those bikes. The v2 feels much lighter despite the actual weight. Regardless, if you already have potential buyers remorse on your mind then I’d skip the V2 if it’s financially in the cards.
Fun fact, previous gen panigales water pump was made out of plastic, im pretty sure the V4's is as well. This means that prolonged riding in slow traffic, or if you arent riding them fast enough, the water pump literally melts off on idle and can cause serious engine damage. These bikes are incredible, and very reliable if you stay up to date with maintenance and keep an eye on everything with your bike constantly. That said, these bikes are NOT meant, or built to simply "commute", it can physically damage the bike.
This information is completely incorrect. Older panigale’s had plastic water pump gears. The water pump itself was not plastic. V4’s never had a plastic water pump or plastic gears. They have had various revisions, the latest being in 2021. Those revisions were to address leaking/weeping issues, not catastrophic failure of the water pump. Totally inaccurate information you’ve provided…
This is direct from Ducati... Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds. Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled. It's not the cylinder deactivation. If you think about how a catalytic converter works, you wouldn't want half the cylinders to shut down unless specific parameters are met.
That’s not an exhaust valve. The rear two cylinders cut out when the bike is in neutral. Once it’s in gear all four cylinders are activated, thus the significant change in sound.
Completely incorrect... The gear it's in has nothing to do with the cylinder deactivation. Direct from Ducati: Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds. Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
Back when i have a V2 panigale. At 4k the engine blew up. Ducati replaced the engine. In 2 years i put 30k on the bike (florida year round riding) all around a solid bike. Granted the V2 and V4 are different in seating position. Plus im 6ft 2 so wasnt too uncomfortable
Sorry to hear about your engine troubles with your V2, but glad Ducati replaced the engine. Keep riding safe and putting miles on that V2. I think 30K is the most I’ve seen on a v2 personally. Take care bro. 🫡👊🏽.
I've been commuting daily on my rsv4 for the last couple of months. No issues and i love how easy it is to ride compared to my old f3. I also decided to follow the manufacturer breaking recommendation but only for the first ten minutes of owning of, that how long it took me to get to the Freeway from the dealer. Since then it has spent 80% of it's time at 7-10ish thousand rpm. I'm at over 3k miles on it right now and I'll probably keep daily riding it until it starts "raining" here in Los Angeles. And the bike is not that wide, i can cut through LA traffic easily enough. Just have to watch out for the stupid drivers.
😂😂😂. Right on, keep enjoying that RSV4. It’s not wide enough to keep you from lane filtering/splitting but it is wider than similar options out there. Wider is worse in some ways and better in other ways. Ride safe man.
@@ridewithKY that is true, I just don't want people thinking it's as wide as a goldwing or something lol. I'm exaggerating but thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
Hey Ky I think you mean wind buffeting. No such thing as wind buffering. Wind buffeting is the sound and vibration caused by the interaction of moving air with the air inside a vehicle or the air around a motorcycle.
@@ASBP12 might be your helmet. Shoei gt air 3. Smoothest I’ve owned so far. Had a few ‘racing’ types before but they’re made for 45 minutes of track use lying over a tank. Much like the Pani 😅 But in all seriousness check out the gt air. What speed are you going on the highway. I can sit bolt upright on the SFV4 at 200kmph, after that defo need to tuck a little. To be honest you’ll only sustain 260+ for a few seconds before attracting the blue and reds/triggering a speed cam (here in Europe) or rear ending a car. 🤷♂️ braver people than I obviously.
@@markholmes5695 I currently own a Shoei RF1400. So could possibly be the helmet. I usually ride around 80 to 85 mph (approx 136KM) on the freeway here and at those speeds shoulder checking on a naked bike felt like someone was yanking on my head lol. It's honestly not as terrible as i make it out to be and it's all subjective since everyone's neck strength differs. But if I'm not shoulder checking then the ride is really smooth lol.
@@ASBP12I hear you. Yeah totally subjective. Sure the bike makes a difference , even between nakeds and sports. I could sit on the Pani way longer than the R1 for example. In my 20s I never enjoyed the seating position of sports bikes but of course I didn’t want to admit to the ‘brahs’ 😅 so I suffered it. The lads on the hypernakeds who were on the heels 👠 of the sports bikes without issue, were always up for more hours in saddle. I use cringe when they said keys go to XYZ it’s only another hour up the road 🤦♂️ sure I could sit all day on a sports , but why when these dudes were capable of same speeds AND comfortable . So I gave them up. Don’t get me wrong, on. A track… well different story. Yeah the gt air is worth a try. I was surprised, it looks a bit bobbleheadish😊 but is incredible with wind. It’s designed for touring, so MANY hours of wind blast 👍
@@markholmes5695 I agree with this! I personally don't take extremely long trips on my bike often so I got rid of the naked and bought Ky's old Pani V2. We all have our reasons to own these bikes for our personal enjoyment. I never gotten the chance to ride an R1 but I sat on a few and they are extremely aggressive. Some supersports like the GSXR's and BMW's are pretty comfortable relative to the other supersports. in the same class. Could be due to the seat heigh in relation to the clip on. Ky had a pretty good video mentioning it this topic. But I agree with the hyper nakeds being the best of both worlds in terms of sportiness and comfort. I will be back on a naked (hopefully a hyper naked) soon. If I was constantly riding 1-2 hours away to the mountains to ride pretty often then the hyper naked would definitely be a great bike. But for now my body can handle the position of a supersport so I figured to ride it as long as my body will allow me to. We all will eventually have to give it up and get on an upright with a tall windscreen to mitigate some of the wind buffering. 😅 Definitely will consider the GT Air. The bobbleheadish look is more apparent on the Arai's imo. So I think the GT Air looks amazing in terms of the shape of the helmet. Don't get me wrong I love em both lol. But I will definitely consider it. Thank you for your recommendation.
BMW makes a great motorcycle. They just don’t really do it for me personally. I would also make sure to do plenty of research regarding engine failures for the M1000 series. Both single R and double R. I don’t think it’s too prevalent, but it’s worth looking into. Lots of BMW failures on various forums.
I added this comment twice just because I want people to see it. Before buying a bike , RIDE IT. Despite what the heart says. I’ve had both and faced that problem. I have a SFV4 in grey. I’m the opposite to this video. Wind is only bad at 260+ kmph. I don’t do that often 😅 (I mean, in reality you can do that for 10??? Second blasts, be honest about it) Streetfighter is far more comfortable 99% of the time. I do a lot of mileage. Town, motorways and mild touring (Ireland to Spain) My Pani had plenty of wind. There’s only ‘no wind’ when you’re tucked under the screen…ie lying flat! I found myself one arm up as you suggest in video just to give my arms /back a rest. After a few hours in the saddle I’m DONE with being in that position. Whereas on the SF I want MORE! Heat is much worse on Pani, the fairings hold the heat. SF, no heat issue, I suppose cause engine is hanging out. I wanted to love the Pani but in the end just wasn’t for me. I’ll add, I don’t track. On track if you do a lot, the Pani would be the ultimate weapon, literally designed for a 45 mins race. Agree re shifter on both bikes, only good/smooth after 5k rpm.
Goes to show everybody is just different and there's nothing wrong with that. I totally disagree regarding the wind. Even sitting mostly upright, a Pani is much better when it comes to wind buffering. That's why any cruiser and even some naked's such as Tuono's have pretty big windscreens. A good indicator is the amount of bugs you get on your jacket while riding a naked versus almost any sport bike. Pretty big difference generally. I'm not you and you aren't me. It's good to share these different opinions and experiences to help those potential buyers from making a big financial mistake. Thank you for sharing, it was very helpful.
@@ridewithKY facts. As long as people actually try. I know far too many who buy a bike cause they love the look of it but never actually tried it. Been there done that. Personally I love a little wind, makes me feel alive. I have a car for windscreen 😂 I suppose for me I love to tour around . I’ll travel 700km on a Saturday and a Sunday . Take in the views. I just couldn’t on a sports bike (important word being ‘I’) that’s me in my avatar , so no weakling, but, I just don’t want to be doing push ups on my bike, I do enough working out 😂 The Pani is stunning 🤩
@@ridewithKY another factor to consider is here in Europe … Ireland especially.. it’ll only reach mid 20 C. Everyone wears gear. I’ll wear it even in the high 20s. I work in the medical field. Seen my fair share of de-gloving injuries. I’d NEVER go out without jacket, trousers, gloves, boots helmet. In the US less people wear gear, I understand it’s disgustingly hot in the riding season there so there is that! Of course you’re going to feel śħ1t in a flippin’ t shirt at 130mph 😝
I dont know what the data says in regards to gear utilization in the USA vs Europe. I would guess it’s pretty limited as that would be hard to measure. Regardless, if gear was the variable contributing to the wind buffering then it’d be the same on a Pani. The bike is the variable here, not the gear.
Hey, how is the Panigale compared to the Streetfighter other than windprotection? I know they have the same engine, but mapped differently. Does the engine feel the same or is it a big difference between the two?
Hope you enjoy getting back on a Panigale. With these new super/hyper nakeds, everybody only focuses on seating position. Nobody mentions the wind buffering unfortunately. Ride safe man.
@@ValkHD the Streetfighter has a little more torque down low with the gearing and maybe engine tuning is different between the two to make it feel stronger off the line, but the Panigale is not far off.
I’m the opposite. Wind is only bad at 260+ kmph. I don’t do that often 😅 Streetfighter was far more comfortable 99% of the time. I do a lot of mileage. My Pani had plenty of wind. There’s only ‘no wind’ when you’re tucked under the screen…ie lying flat! I found myself one arm up as you suggest in video just to get my arms /back a rest
@@ridewithKY I thought these Bikes were very tall and the seat height was suitable for taller riders. I’m 5’8” and have been told I’m short for the Panigale SP2. Any advice?
They are very tall. At least the 2022+ bikes are. The older V4’s are a lot more manageable. I don’t know what your inseam is but it can be done it’s just that you have to be very careful because of the height.
I don't know. It's your bike. You only live once and it's short so why not. It's sexy and fast do it. In terms of comfort shit no to being a daily rider. Good luck with your question
Lets be serious. its not a great daily, commuter, or cruiser. There are many better options. Is it worth using it for those tasks because its a bad ass bike? Hell Yeah. The quick shifter works better at higher rpm.
I’m so tired of people leaving contrarian comments with no substance. I own a v4, a v2, and an RSV4, what else do you want? This video is also not a review… wouldn’t expect you to know the difference between a review and sharing an experience though. Also, sorry about your Subaru. 😂.
I have a 2023 Diavel V4 with a Termignoni Titanium Dragster exhaust and a 2024 Panigale V2. I ride mostly at 90 mph on the freeways out here in northern California. The wind doesn't bother me until I hit about 110 mph on my Diavel V4. Also the Panigale riding position takes a few thousand miles to get used to but now seems fine. I put over 25,000 miles on my Diavel V4 and over 2,000 on my Panigale V2. I'm 60 years old and I ride the bikes every day as my commuter vehicle, grocery getter and overall errand running. See Slow Rider Ducati.
Appreciate you sharing. Good info. Thank you.
Great video, man! I’ve been heavily leaning towards the V2 until they announced the new V4 which has a cruise control option. Which I think makes my mind up on the V4.
Cruise control is really nice. I have it on my Aprilia and it sure is nice to have on those little bit longer rides. Thank you for watching and for commenting!
Look forward to the V2 vs V4 comparison. I’m on the fence about which one is best for all aspects, including track.
I’ll do my best to provide some useful info for you. I can’t comment on the track aspect but initial impressions are there’s not a ton of difference for commuting between the two. I’ve had a V4 for about 2 months and I had a V2 for about 3 years. Luckily I still have access to my prior V2 so I should be able to make a pretty solid comparison video. Ride safe man.
Same. Been stuck between the two, but the new V4s being able to come with cruise control is a massive creature comfort that’s edging me to the V4 this next year.
Nice video. It always seems to me like the people that complain about Supersports usually don't like supersports in general. You really have to be committed to trading some ride comforts for the additional engagement you get from a Supersport. Also I'm pretty sure the "exhaust valves" opening/closing you're talking about is actually the cylinder deactivation. The V4 deactivates 2 of it's cylinders in neutral for emissions and heat reasons.
I agree about the supersport comment. Requires a little more commitment but it’s really not that bad. Some people act like you will die if you try to commute on a supersport.
Those actually are the exhaust valves. Panigale and SF V4’s have a very specific set of conditions that need to be met in order for the computer to shut down the rear cylinders. Especially during start up, you want all cylinders firing so the catalytic converter warms up quickly.
Direct from Ducati:
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds.
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
@@ridewithKY I want a Ducati panigale design so between 950S and V4 which one. I want one that I grow old with, I'm 21 btw. Drive it daily long and short rides. I want one that I get excited to drive long/short and safe and not be like oh this bike again.
So yeah I really like the panigale design on 950, v2, v4
Please additional questions: 950S front is a bit less aggressive so if someone wants to change it to a V4 like aggressive front , can they? There aren't any videos on it
I’m sure it can be done but it’s not going to be a direct swap going from 950-V4. Nothing wrong with maybe starting on a used Panigale, have that for a few years and then get something else like a V4 later on. @_isshin_the_sword_saint
@@ridewithKY but again I've seen people say V4 is like a English wife. Whole 950s due to its comfort is like a Asian/Arab wife, she does everything, massaging toes, diner, clothes, you just live like a king. Hope that made some sense
Also appreciate the fact you guide/reply to everyone in the comments 👍 Respect+1000
During break in, the power is in rain mode. I think it's 150hp. When your engine is in full power, the heat, economy and docile nature all mysteriously vanish. That's been my experience. It's also quiet in neutral because it's shutting down the rear cylinders. That's very useful in traffic when you are being melted.)))
Full power modes are available on the Panigale v4’s from the start. You can choose rain mode, but you aren’t forced into that mode or any reduced power modes. You are also incorrect about the cylinder shut down. On the 22+ V4’s, the exhaust valve opens when in gear. The rear cylinders only shut down when certain parameters are met.
@@ridewithKY I believe one of those parameters is being in N at a red light.))) Mine was firmly locked in reduced power mode during break in. and a very low rev limiter. My statement is purely my personal experience with ''my'' 23 V4S.)))
@WilliamSudek That is incorrect. You can tell when it's the cylinder deactivation because it takes a moment for the cylinders to fire again. It is very distinct, whereas the exhaust valve opening and closing is instantaneous. That's why when you change the exhaust on these bikes, the cold start up is still loud. Since that valve isn't there anymore, you don't have that silent start up and immediate increase in noise as soon as you select 1st gear. It also doesn't make sense to have the rear two cylinders deactivated below a certain coolant temperature because you need the catalytic converter to heat up quickly. This is also why you've probably noticed a lot of popping and rough idling at initial start up on your 23 V4S, that is the cat warm up procedure, which includes all 4 cylinders firing. When the bike is hot, pull the clutch in and then let it out just slightly. You can feel the rear cylinders activate at this point, it is very distinct and is nothing like the exhaust valve opening and closing.
Anyways, this is direct from Ducati regarding cylinder deactivation:
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds.
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
During break-in, you have an RPM warning come on at a low RPM. I do not recall the exact RPM but it is around 8000, your tachometer will flash yellow. Once you are past the initial break-in period, this will not occur at that RPM anymore. You do not have any power limitations. You can put these bikes into sport or race mode with full power capabilities with 1 mile on the odometer. These bikes are not like BMW's which have hard parameters during break-in.
Ride safe, appreciate the comment.
@@ridewithKY I'm not going to challenge you on the cylinder shutoff. I didn't bother to investigate that. Reduced power mode, I was definitely not able to exit that mode until after my break in service was completed. The dealership is over a 100 miles away and I was able to round trip it before the restrictions were cancelled. It's not even close now. It's not Ducati saying this, it's that light that says "low fuel" that is giving me the information. And the cluster saying that. Every time I changed the setting, it let me go through the motions, but when I went back into the settings, reduced power was always highlighted. That's no longer the case after the restrictions were removed. I can seamlessly move from setting to setting. And the throttle is definitely not docile in the race modes or the sport mode. I also couldn't turn off the rear ABS during break in /race modes.
@WilliamSudek One of the dealership duties upon delivery is to demonstrate how to change modes, including the power modes. This checklist of items is mandated by Ducati. Every brand new Ducati I’ve ever bought, including this 23 V4 allowed the dealership employee to toggle through the modes prior to releasing the bike to me. You will also notice many reviews for these bikes on YT will show much less then 600 miles on the dash, yet the bike will be in race mode and allowing the reviewer to go all the way to redline.
I wasn’t there for your break-in, but there aren’t any hard restrictions on these bikes during the break-in period. There just isn’t.
Take care, ride safe.
Answered a lot of my questions bro. My biggest apprehension is the all negative propa out there. Nobody wants to spend a ton of money on something they have to throw a lot of money at just to ride around like a daily.
I am glad the video was helpful to you. There is a lot of BS out there. Most of it you will find is just people repeating what others have said and don't have any personal experience to speak to. There are downsides to Panigale's just are there are downsides to anything else. At the end of the day it's really not that bad. Motorcycles are inconvenient in general, a little more inconvenience is a small price to pay if it means getting the bike you actually want.
Appreciate your review. I have a ‘24 V4R and a ‘24 SFV4S. I can’t daily the V4R. It’s not happy in day-to-day stop and go traffic; it will melt your thighs. The SFV4S on the other hand is so much more usable day-to-day. Now on the highway at speeds above 75 mph, it’s not the best ride on the SFV4S. The wind buffeting is real. To deal with it you have to take a more aggressive tuck position on the bike. If I’m mostly doing city/ around town with some back roads I ride the SF. If it’s highway/ “canyon carving” type roads, the it’s the Panigale.
On the quick shifter, it’s smoothest when you shift at or above 7,000 RPM. I find it to be buttery smooth at that point or above. Below that it’s a little jerky.
Appreciate you sharing, thank you. How have the clutch intervals been on the V4R?
Moral of the story, I wont let the bank talk me out of anything! :)
Yeah you don’t need that type of negativity in your life. 😂.
Thanks , for this Video and detailed breakdown of the most mis-understood points. I have a V2 and in fact bought it 1 year ago instead of the V4 for all the mis-information about the V4. 🤣🤣 1 year later have never reached 185mph in my V2 dont think I would even tap into the V4’ 200plus mph either.. so im staying V2. For new buyers though this video will help them make a better informed choice. ❤
Nothing wrong with that! Glad you are enjoying that V2. Hard to not like a Pani V2. Appreciate the view and the comment, thank you!
in the winter i bet its a nice heater
Haha that’s one way to look at things positively.
what loser rides a motorcycle in the winter!!!
I thought that the louder sound when put in gear was cylinder de-activation that was added on the 22 model? Why don’t the older V4s do that?
No, those are the exhaust valves. It’s a very specific set of conditions that need to be met in order for the computer to shut the rear cylinders off. Older v4’s do do it… it was added as early as 2018 as a software update from Ducati.
Direct from Ducati:
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds.
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
I rode a V2 streetfiighter and loved it. I currently have a monster 821 and looking to upgrade. Love to have the V4 but the price difference is significant
V4’s are up there. Over the years they’ve really gone up. We see again with the 2025’s that they’ve gone up more. Hope for you that in the near future your financial situation allows you to get the bike you really want. Ride safe.
@ridewithKY I can afford one now. Just trying to justify it lol. Even the wife said she wanted me to get a diavel with the race exhaust. It's me that can't bring myself to buy one lol. Sucks getting old and responsible lol.
Right on man. Ride safe.
Great review. If you never plan on going to the track and using it as your daily, would you choose the V2 or V4?
Thank you! I think it depends on what your daily commute looks like. If you have a tighter daily commute with lots of low speed maneuvering, then the v2 is better. Other than that scenario, I would suggest a v4. There is a price difference between the two so it depends on if it’s within budget as well. Figure a base v4 is over 30% more than a base v2. Really can’t go wrong with either, both are excellent. If I had to choose one though, it’d be a v4.
@@ridewithKY I have a pretty short commute using the streets to work, but it’s a good 3040 minute commute. I also like to hop on the freeway now and again and go to the city to enjoy some nightlife. I would hate to miss out on the V4 if I buy a V2. I don’t wanna have a buyers remorse. I really enjoy the speed and the exhilaration.
If you can afford it and don’t want buyers remorse then I would get a V4. I know the V2 and V4 on paper are close in weight but it does not feel that way when manipulating or riding those bikes. The v2 feels much lighter despite the actual weight. Regardless, if you already have potential buyers remorse on your mind then I’d skip the V2 if it’s financially in the cards.
Fun fact, previous gen panigales water pump was made out of plastic, im pretty sure the V4's is as well. This means that prolonged riding in slow traffic, or if you arent riding them fast enough, the water pump literally melts off on idle and can cause serious engine damage.
These bikes are incredible, and very reliable if you stay up to date with maintenance and keep an eye on everything with your bike constantly. That said, these bikes are NOT meant, or built to simply "commute", it can physically damage the bike.
This information is completely incorrect. Older panigale’s had plastic water pump gears. The water pump itself was not plastic.
V4’s never had a plastic water pump or plastic gears. They have had various revisions, the latest being in 2021. Those revisions were to address leaking/weeping issues, not catastrophic failure of the water pump. Totally inaccurate information you’ve provided…
Brother, Idk but I think on neutral the bike runs on two cylinders to reduce heat and when u go into first gear all 4 cylinder fire up
This is direct from Ducati...
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds.
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
It's not the cylinder deactivation. If you think about how a catalytic converter works, you wouldn't want half the cylinders to shut down unless specific parameters are met.
That’s not an exhaust valve. The rear two cylinders cut out when the bike is in neutral. Once it’s in gear all four cylinders are activated, thus the significant change in sound.
Completely incorrect... The gear it's in has nothing to do with the cylinder deactivation.
Direct from Ducati:
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant temp between 75-85C - Rear bank will disable after 30 seconds.
Idle (Neutral) and gear engaged and clutch lever completely pulled in (clutch switch pressed) - Coolant above 85C - Rear bank immediately disabled.
Back when i have a V2 panigale. At 4k the engine blew up. Ducati replaced the engine. In 2 years i put 30k on the bike (florida year round riding) all around a solid bike. Granted the V2 and V4 are different in seating position. Plus im 6ft 2 so wasnt too uncomfortable
Sorry to hear about your engine troubles with your V2, but glad Ducati replaced the engine. Keep riding safe and putting miles on that V2. I think 30K is the most I’ve seen on a v2 personally. Take care bro. 🫡👊🏽.
Yt algorithm just popped up in my feed and noticed u ride in my area! We should ride sometime
Right on! That would be awesome some day for sure!
I've been commuting daily on my rsv4 for the last couple of months. No issues and i love how easy it is to ride compared to my old f3. I also decided to follow the manufacturer breaking recommendation but only for the first ten minutes of owning of, that how long it took me to get to the Freeway from the dealer. Since then it has spent 80% of it's time at 7-10ish thousand rpm. I'm at over 3k miles on it right now and I'll probably keep daily riding it until it starts "raining" here in Los Angeles. And the bike is not that wide, i can cut through LA traffic easily enough. Just have to watch out for the stupid drivers.
😂😂😂. Right on, keep enjoying that RSV4. It’s not wide enough to keep you from lane filtering/splitting but it is wider than similar options out there. Wider is worse in some ways and better in other ways. Ride safe man.
@@ridewithKY that is true, I just don't want people thinking it's as wide as a goldwing or something lol. I'm exaggerating but thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
Hey Ky I think you mean wind buffeting. No such thing as wind buffering. Wind buffeting is the sound and vibration caused by the interaction of moving air with the air inside a vehicle or the air around a motorcycle.
Good call. Thank you for this correction. You are absolutely right.
Shoulder checking at freeway speeds is funny on a naked bike 😂 need a HANS device basically LOL
The involuntary shoulder checks 😂.
@@ASBP12 might be your helmet. Shoei gt air 3. Smoothest I’ve owned so far. Had a few ‘racing’ types before but they’re made for 45 minutes of track use lying over a tank. Much like the Pani 😅
But in all seriousness check out the gt air.
What speed are you going on the highway.
I can sit bolt upright on the SFV4 at 200kmph, after that defo need to tuck a little. To be honest you’ll only sustain 260+ for a few seconds before attracting the blue and reds/triggering a speed cam (here in Europe) or rear ending a car.
🤷♂️ braver people than I obviously.
@@markholmes5695 I currently own a Shoei RF1400. So could possibly be the helmet. I usually ride around 80 to 85 mph (approx 136KM) on the freeway here and at those speeds shoulder checking on a naked bike felt like someone was yanking on my head lol. It's honestly not as terrible as i make it out to be and it's all subjective since everyone's neck strength differs.
But if I'm not shoulder checking then the ride is really smooth lol.
@@ASBP12I hear you. Yeah totally subjective. Sure the bike makes a difference , even between nakeds and sports. I could sit on the Pani way longer than the R1 for example. In my 20s I never enjoyed the seating position of sports bikes but of course I didn’t want to admit to the ‘brahs’ 😅 so I suffered it. The lads on the hypernakeds who were on the heels 👠 of the sports bikes without issue, were always up for more hours in saddle. I use cringe when they said keys go to XYZ it’s only another hour up the road 🤦♂️ sure I could sit all day on a sports , but why when these dudes were capable of same speeds AND comfortable . So I gave them up. Don’t get me wrong, on. A track… well different story.
Yeah the gt air is worth a try. I was surprised, it looks a bit bobbleheadish😊 but is incredible with wind. It’s designed for touring, so MANY hours of wind blast 👍
@@markholmes5695 I agree with this! I personally don't take extremely long trips on my bike often so I got rid of the naked and bought Ky's old Pani V2. We all have our reasons to own these bikes for our personal enjoyment. I never gotten the chance to ride an R1 but I sat on a few and they are extremely aggressive. Some supersports like the GSXR's and BMW's are pretty comfortable relative to the other supersports. in the same class. Could be due to the seat heigh in relation to the clip on. Ky had a pretty good video mentioning it this topic.
But I agree with the hyper nakeds being the best of both worlds in terms of sportiness and comfort. I will be back on a naked (hopefully a hyper naked) soon. If I was constantly riding 1-2 hours away to the mountains to ride pretty often then the hyper naked would definitely be a great bike. But for now my body can handle the position of a supersport so I figured to ride it as long as my body will allow me to. We all will eventually have to give it up and get on an upright with a tall windscreen to mitigate some of the wind buffering. 😅
Definitely will consider the GT Air. The bobbleheadish look is more apparent on the Arai's imo. So I think the GT Air looks amazing in terms of the shape of the helmet. Don't get me wrong I love em both lol. But I will definitely consider it. Thank you for your recommendation.
I cant decide if i want to get the 2022 v4 or 23 m1000rr. What would you do? Panigale is half the price compared to m1k here...
BMW makes a great motorcycle. They just don’t really do it for me personally. I would also make sure to do plenty of research regarding engine failures for the M1000 series. Both single R and double R. I don’t think it’s too prevalent, but it’s worth looking into. Lots of BMW failures on various forums.
I added this comment twice just because I want people to see it.
Before buying a bike , RIDE IT. Despite what the heart says.
I’ve had both and faced that problem.
I have a SFV4 in grey.
I’m the opposite to this video. Wind is only bad at 260+ kmph. I don’t do that often 😅 (I mean, in reality you can do that for 10??? Second blasts, be honest about it)
Streetfighter is far more comfortable 99% of the time. I do a lot of mileage. Town, motorways and mild touring (Ireland to Spain)
My Pani had plenty of wind. There’s only ‘no wind’ when you’re tucked under the screen…ie lying flat! I found myself one arm up as you suggest in video just to give my arms /back a rest. After a few hours in the saddle I’m DONE with being in that position. Whereas on the SF I want MORE!
Heat is much worse on Pani, the fairings hold the heat. SF, no heat issue, I suppose cause engine is hanging out.
I wanted to love the Pani but in the end just wasn’t for me.
I’ll add, I don’t track. On track if you do a lot, the Pani would be the ultimate weapon, literally designed for a 45 mins race.
Agree re shifter on both bikes, only good/smooth after 5k rpm.
Goes to show everybody is just different and there's nothing wrong with that.
I totally disagree regarding the wind. Even sitting mostly upright, a Pani is much better when it comes to wind buffering. That's why any cruiser and even some naked's such as Tuono's have pretty big windscreens. A good indicator is the amount of bugs you get on your jacket while riding a naked versus almost any sport bike. Pretty big difference generally.
I'm not you and you aren't me. It's good to share these different opinions and experiences to help those potential buyers from making a big financial mistake.
Thank you for sharing, it was very helpful.
@@ridewithKY facts. As long as people actually try. I know far too many who buy a bike cause they love the look of it but never actually tried it. Been there done that. Personally I love a little wind, makes me feel alive. I have a car for windscreen 😂 I suppose for me I love to tour around . I’ll travel 700km on a Saturday and a Sunday . Take in the views. I just couldn’t on a sports bike (important word being ‘I’) that’s me in my avatar , so no weakling, but, I just don’t want to be doing push ups on my bike, I do enough working out 😂
The Pani is stunning 🤩
@@ridewithKY another factor to consider is here in Europe … Ireland especially.. it’ll only reach mid 20 C. Everyone wears gear. I’ll wear it even in the high 20s. I work in the medical field. Seen my fair share of de-gloving injuries. I’d NEVER go out without jacket, trousers, gloves, boots helmet. In the US less people wear gear, I understand it’s disgustingly hot in the riding season there so there is that! Of course you’re going to feel śħ1t in a flippin’ t shirt at 130mph 😝
I dont know what the data says in regards to gear utilization in the USA vs Europe. I would guess it’s pretty limited as that would be hard to measure. Regardless, if gear was the variable contributing to the wind buffering then it’d be the same on a Pani. The bike is the variable here, not the gear.
I just sold my Streetfighter to go back to a Panigale. The wind blast for any freeway type riding was horrible.
Hey, how is the Panigale compared to the Streetfighter other than windprotection? I know they have the same engine, but mapped differently. Does the engine feel the same or is it a big difference between the two?
Hope you enjoy getting back on a Panigale. With these new super/hyper nakeds, everybody only focuses on seating position. Nobody mentions the wind buffering unfortunately. Ride safe man.
@@ValkHD the Streetfighter has a little more torque down low with the gearing and maybe engine tuning is different between the two to make it feel stronger off the line, but the Panigale is not far off.
@@francisburr Thanks for the answer :)
I’m the opposite. Wind is only bad at 260+ kmph. I don’t do that often 😅 Streetfighter was far more comfortable 99% of the time. I do a lot of mileage.
My Pani had plenty of wind. There’s only ‘no wind’ when you’re tucked under the screen…ie lying flat! I found myself one arm up as you suggest in video just to get my arms /back a rest
Hmm, my xsr900 is really torqued at low Rpms, i like this v4,
Have you gotten your XSR tuned yet? After we tuned the XSR, it was very strong down low.
More agressive on that stand, need it off the. Stand to show actually position
It’s just a representation. If it was off the stand then both feet would not be on the pegs.
How tall are you?
I am 5’5”
@@ridewithKY I thought these Bikes were very tall and the seat height was suitable for taller riders. I’m 5’8” and have been told I’m short for the Panigale SP2. Any advice?
They are very tall. At least the 2022+ bikes are. The older V4’s are a lot more manageable. I don’t know what your inseam is but it can be done it’s just that you have to be very careful because of the height.
Yeah go ahead and arch that back a little more. Thanks
I don't know. It's your bike. You only live once and it's short so why not. It's sexy and fast do it. In terms of comfort shit no to being a daily rider. Good luck with your question
Be proud short kings
get a large windscreen, its a non issue
Or you can buy a bike that has a windscreen. Fairings are also a factor anyways.
Regardless, you’ve missed the point/context of the video…
Got gloves,whats on your arms,roadrash?
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Lets be serious. its not a great daily, commuter, or cruiser. There are many better options. Is it worth using it for those tasks because its a bad ass bike? Hell Yeah. The quick shifter works better at higher rpm.
Yup, I agree. Better options for the specific task of just commuting, but it’s not as impossible as some people make it out to be.
lol imagine living in SF
FR, imagine living in a dumpster.
I am so tired of people doing reviews on things they know nothing about
Sorry not sorry I sure he’s a good dude tho
I’m so tired of people leaving contrarian comments with no substance. I own a v4, a v2, and an RSV4, what else do you want? This video is also not a review… wouldn’t expect you to know the difference between a review and sharing an experience though.
Also, sorry about your Subaru. 😂.
What does this comment even mean? 😂