I think you're spot on with your thoughts. Majority of Ducati owners, including me, purchase them for the looks / feeling the bike gives. Not necessarily track performance or how comfortable they are. This V2 is a total backwards step in my opinion - I have the current Bayliss and I can't see myself swapping it for this model.
Agreed. Major downgrade. The current gen V2 stands alone in its class. This incoming v2 will be pooled in with the R9, RS660, etc. That specialness a Panigale is supposed to give you, is gone. Hold on to that Bayliss brother.
@@ridewithKY - if I had to buy a bike in the 120bhp category, would I pay the premium for the new V2? I can't see it - the old V2 premium was justifiable as it was in its own class and had that Ducati specialness. The new bike will be a great bike but will people part with their money for one? Time will tell. I had an RS660 before the V2 and it was a fantastic bike and nearly half the price of the V2. A slightly used S1K in the UK is cheaper than the V2. Most (not all) of the positive comments are likely from people that will never actually buy one...
Agreed! long time Ducati fan and owner and I can see a drastic change in direction for the company from aesthetically pleasing design to more performance oriented emphasis. They have slowly killed away everything that has made a Ducati a Ducati starting with the larger displacement V-Twin engine to the demise of the Trellis frame to the end of the single sided swingarm and now the death of the Desmo valve system. NOTHING left of the DNA that made a Ducati a Ducati!
@JxMx23 great points. This bike is basically supposed to compete with $12K bikes, yet costs about the same as the current V2. Which as you’ve alluded to, was in its own class. If you really want to have a laugh, go on Ducati’s online configuring tool for the new V2 and look at how much the parts are going to cost. $1800 for some rearsets, $750 for a steering dampener, $3000 for an exhaust (not including the necessary fairing). Bike gets over $25K in a hurry. RS660 is a fantastic price especially for the cost. I have seen those bikes for under $10k in the USA either on sale or with factory incentives. Ton of bike for the money. Your statement about those commenting positively but never having any intention of actually buying one is so true. 😂.
@Gary-r1o yup. Panigale is slowly losing its DNA. I understand the practical purpose for all these changes, but the Panigale is not supposed to be practical. Nobody buys a McLaren because of its practical cup holders and long service interval…
I’ll be buying one. It’s basically a better looking super sport 950s with less heat issues. Yes, I’ll take one - only ever ride mountains never go on track. It’s perfect for me.
I love this new release of V2 and will most likely be getting one. I currently ride a Monster 937. When this Monster came out, people were upset that it didn't have the trellis frame. It has been a great bike for me for the street and for the track. I just don't love the way the headlights look on the monster. To me, the new V2 looks beautiful. It is light-weight. Has the latest and greatest technology. Has more than enough horsepower for the street and the track. Not too uncomfortable. Has cruise control, and even has a fuel gauge which the previous one didn't. On paper for me, this checks all the boxes for street riding, commuting, canyon riding, and going to the track.
So it inspires the Monster rider, which is good right. But the purest are turned away. I am not a fan one bit, for all of the reasons. I don’t own a V2 for comfort, I don’t own a V2 for practicality, I own it because #racebike! The V2 truly exceeds my capabilities on and off track, which constantly challenges me to become better. So now, Ducati wants to meet me where I’m at? Naw… I’m good… Lamborghini, Ferrari don’t design based on comfort, but rather how it makes you feel, mixed with bikes that exceed our capabilities, but it’s exciting that own it. Price should not be the reason you buy one… it shouldn’t be affordable for everyone and with the price released, it hasn’t changed for the V2S. If you are looking to buy a V2, don’t buy this one, you’ll thank me later.
@@Artikoner850 well my point is that it is a different bike. It is a totally new bike. The name just happens to be V2 which upsets people who THINK that the V2 name means that it should behave a certain way. Well that V2 is no more. Many of these people would have been more fine if it was called SS and if Ducati had just cancelled the V2. R6 was cancelled too, people missed it, but they understood. If u look at this bike with the lens of "Is it a good bike?" , the answer would be absolutely yes. Of course we have just seen the specs, and we need to ride it first, but on paper, it is a fantastic bike. I think Ducati decided to go with the Panigale V2 name just because they think they would sell more with this name. But in the end, it's just a name. If u need something that exceeds your skills, Ducati still has the V4 for u.
Are we talking about the new V2 in the context of the street or in the context of professional motorcycle racing? The video was in the context of a street application which is consistent with how Ducati is publicizing this motorcycle. All good points regarding its competitiveness in supersport.
It will be better on the street and the track. It's only 0.2 seconds a lap slower than a full power 2024 V2 so it will be faster than the current power restricted 2024 race bikes.
We’ll see if it’s better on the street. Be interested to see if it’s really 37 lbs lighter than the outgoing V2. You know how manufacturers are with their “specs” sometimes…
So the V2 and Supersport were basically combined into one bike to fight bikes like the R9 and RC990. The prior V2 was in a class of its own, this new one is competitive with the up and coming super sport class…
I agree that’s the intention. That’s not what a Panigale is though. Panigale is supposed to be in its own class, you buy a Panigale because it’s unique and special. You don’t buy a Panigale because it’s the Ducati version of an R9.
@jaysonkawasaki somebody commented the new valvetrain is supposed to have an 18,000 mile interval instead of the current 15,000 mile interval for desmo. Inconsequential difference… give me desmo if that’s all I’m gaining in service interval.
Have to agree. As an owner of several Ducatis over the years, from a 748SPS, 998S, 999S, 1098S, Monster S4RS, 1199S, 1299S and currently lucky enough to own a Panigale V4SP2 30 Anniversario 916, having owned a V4 S 2018 before that, I can concur that both the new V4 and V2 feel very much like neutered down versions of what we classicly identify with as making their products unique. As you say a potentially dangerous path they have chosen to follow in pursuit of market share.
Notice how all the people in the comments who have Ducati's currently are pretty unimpressed by the new Panigale's. But all the people who have never bought a Ducati and probably never will are making excuses on Ducati's behalf. The weight reduction is impressive (if the numbers are even true), but I don't think it's much of a selling point when a manufacturer tells you the new version of Panigale is slower than the old one, but only by a little bit.
It’s weird that people reduce supersport bikes to a single metric-peak horsepower. The Panigale gets variable valve timing and loses a score of kilograms, but people complain it’s not exciting. Most road riders roll around in the midrange of the powerband. They don’t optimize the gearing to make the most of the peak power. The variable intake and lightweight will make a huge difference for them. Plus, the power is determined by the Supersport homologation.
I don't think it's that people are reducing this bike to just the HP number. It's that Ducati comes out and says here's our new bike, it's slower than the old one but only by a little bit. It's much lighter which 37 lbs is no small feat. But conveniently leave out the fact the power to weight is ultimately much worse than the prior Panigale. A replacement should be an improvement in all aspects.
@ The issue is that the marginal cost of horsepower is basically zero. Naturally, manufacturers work day and night to convince consumers that horsepower is valuable and they should pay big money for it. Same with lap times. It’s mostly tires and maybe a bit of brake. They’ve also taught consumers to devalue improvements that have high marginal cost, like redesigning and optimizing components, eliminating weight, etc. Ducati has made a demonstrably better bike, cutting 10kg of dead weight out of the non-variable desmo valvetrain and cylinder head, and creating a useable flat torque curve and long service intervals with fewer shim adjustments, but people complain because it’s .1 seconds slower around Vallelunga. The manufacturers did this to themselves by conning consumers, but it’s crazy how many people are actually under their marketing spell.
All great points. I don’t think we know what the interval is going to be for this valvetrain though. Somebody in the comment section said their dealership indicated it would be an 18,000 mile interval as opposed to the 15,000 mile desmo interval. If true, that’s a pretty small increment. It’s not nothing, but it’s not a ton either. A 15,000 mile interval for desmo is already pretty long. Also, I doubt the service itself will be much cheaper. Most of the labor for desmo is getting to the cylinder heads. Also, we now have that added complexity of the variable cam timing. Time will tell. The weight reduction on this bike is surely impressive (if the number is even accurate). If we take a step back though, we see the power to weight ratio is significantly worse than the prior gen. Doesn’t mean this will be a bad bike but the numbers are what they are. Should we accept manufacturers giving us slower bikes with each new generation? Not sure if that’s a good idea as consumers.
Have to say, this is probably the best summation of why people buy Ducatis, it's an emotional purchase. I've had some 30 Ducatis now and currently own the Panigale V4 SP2 30th anniversario 916, my good lady has the Panigale V2 Final Edition and a 1200S Multistrada. As much as I understand why they are making their design choices, as much as I think they look, ok, to me,they are now mainstream motorcycles. There's no longer a reason to follow your heart to buy a Ducati as they don't offer anything significantly different to other manufacturers, the emotional bubble has effectively burst. Bikes that will never race, nor have a race series have no business with a dual sided arm, streetfighters and the new V2 are not race bikes which need the double sided to go quicker, they are road bikes with monumental price tags and now,no incentive to buy one, for me anyway. I'm so glad myself and my partner bought when we did, last in the line of outstandingly gorgeous bikes bought from the heart. Great video dude👌
Thank you! I would say 30 Ducati purchases makes you a true Ducati fan and part of the core demographic. Seeing as you are unimpressed by this bike says a lot. Enjoy that SP2 anniversario, man that's a beautiful bike. I'm only on my 3rd Ducati now (all purchased new) and at least from what I'm seeing now, I will not be buying this new generation of Panigale. Cheers, ride safe.
I rhink they are totally right👍🏻 Everybody cannot buy a F1 motorbike for the road..! It is called Harmony👌🏼 That said they can keep a 200ps bike for the track people but for most of us 110-130ps is just perfect match, 35000km on a Supersport S 🤝 Totally horryfied on a 214ps V4 Panigale 🥵
Hi RidewithKY I really appreciate your insights about the new Panigale V2. Im kinda interested in the V2S but I’m still debating whether to get the new V2S next year or the new 2025 V4? I’m currently riding the monster 937. What would be your personal recommendations since you have both experiences with V2 and V4? And why? Thank you and I’ll support your channel
Kinda hard to say since I don't have any real world experience with either yet. All I have are spec sheets and some photos/videos. Both the V4 and V2 next year are going to be completely new architecture. The V4 engine is basically the same as the current gen V4 so it should be solid. The V2 engine is completely new and with the addition of variable cam timing; I would be cautious with that one. If it were me I'd stay on the Monster until this Panigale fiasco works itself out. I have a feeling they will do a slight redesign on the fairings for the V4 as most people aren't too thrilled with the appearance. If I had to get one of these bikes next year, it'd be the V4. Mostly because we know the engine is proven and it still retains its specialness. For me personally, I do not want a Panigale that has the same engine as a Multistrada, Monster, etc. Panigale's should have their own engines. Hope that helps man.
The real question I’m most curious about is, would those that currently own a V2 (I am one) buy this (obliterated) version of the V2? (You must know my answer)
Same. To be fair, neither of us have seen the bike yet in person. Going off of what we know so far though, I’d never trade a current gen V2 for this. Any Panigale should wow a potential buyer, it should be special and that’s what justifies the price. Here we get a Panigale with a Multistrada engine, and supersport 950 clip ons. It is impressive this bike is supposed to be 37 lbs lighter. However, when we step back we see its weight is down 8% but power is down 25%. Yeah, no thanks. If you look through the comments here, you’ll see people who actually buy Ducati’s are not very impressed with this release. Those that are praising this move don’t have ducatis and I doubt they’ll actually be buying one of these. When you hear of people buying 6, 10, even 30 ducatis over a period of 15 years, that makes absolutely zero sense but people do it because Ducati’s are special. A supersport 950 with panigale fairings is not special… cheers mate, thanks for sharing the perspective of someone who actually has a Ducati and more importantly, a V2.
Interesting and probably quite correct for a demographic. I love Ducatis and have MSV4S for long trips. Never felt right on a Panigale for variety of reasons including ergos. The new V2 may fit the bill. Is Ducati targeting a new or additional demographic?
For companies to stay in business, they have to adjust to the evolution of the market. Companies like Porsche and Ferrari‘s for example, had to do the exact same thing. The reason why Porsches is able to do the R&D programs for exotic cars is because they have the full & small size SUV. Which generates the bulk of the company sales. And by making a more comfortable, more reliable and more affordable middleweight motorcycle. It allows them to keep making the Exotic and limited production bikes that you spoke about.
Absolutely spot on there mate, Iv'e always fancied a Ducati sport bike but they have always been way out of my reach but this bike at the price they have pitched it at brings it a darn site closer to my door. Not everyone has got £25,000 to spend on their Sunday toy !!
@tonychettleburgh8953 we are talking about $2000 difference between the old v2 and the new one. That’s not nothing, but hardly enough to shut out a buyer completely. Afterall it’s still going to be more than the competition. KTM 990 might be close in price but we don’t quite know yet. R9 is significantly cheaper and RS660 even cheaper than that. The new S and the old base will be the same price.
Not really… Porsche has done an excellent job at expanding their appeal without sacrificing the identity of the company. Notice how the 911 has remained very 911, all the while expanding their line. The boxster and cayenne saved the company financially in the late 90’s/early 00’s. At the same time they never sacrificed what the 911 was because the 911 is the identity of the company. When you think of Porsche, you don’t think of the Panamera. You think of the 911. As a result look at the value’s of Porsche’s. Their resale value is always at the top and their brand interest is at an all time high. On the other hand Ferrari has done a very poor job of expanding their appeal while still retaining the DNA of the company. I could go on and on about Ferrari right now. All I’ll say is look at where 296, Roma, and SF90 values are right now. Not long ago you had to beg Ferrari to even sell you a car for over sticker. Not so anymore. This is shocking because most Ferrari buyers do not cross shop. They ONLY buy Ferrari’s. There’s a lot more to the Ferrari situation but I won’t go into it. What Ducati is doing here is not at all like what Porsche did.
@@ridewithKY Thank you for your insight. I agree, but I also disagree. I understand the analogy of the 911. And this is just food for thought. The equivalent of the 911 for Ducati would be the V4. All of their more exotic motorcycles are based primarily off of the V4 like the 911. The GT 2 & GT 3 etc. are based off of the 911. The Ducati V2 would be more like the Porsche Boxster. A great car. A great teammate and asset to the main character in the story. And the reason why I brought up Ferrari is because they did something that they said they would never ever do. Which is start making SUVs to offset just like other companies have. They said that they wanted a piece of the pie of the Lamborghini Urus, and this is their way of going about it. To maintain a tomorrow for the company. Cause just like you said some of those other vehicles that got released was not the answer. Thank you again for your insight. Appreciate you!
@@robertlockett6670 I appreciate the connection you are trying to make but the 911 and Boxster are two different vehicle families. V2, Bayliss, V2FE, V4, V4R, SP2, Moto GP Rep, etc. are all under the Panigale family despite obvious differences between them all. They are all so related that there is a lot of part compatibility between all the bikes previously mentioned. Ultimately they are a lot more alike than they are different. Boxster and 911 basically have no cross compatibility and are not at all within the same family of cars. When the Boxster was released, Porsche was very clear it was an addition to the line and the 911 philosophy would be untouched. That is not at all what Ducati has done. They have not added to their line with this new V2, they have changed what the Panigale V2 is. Saying the V2 is akin to a Boxster is just not accurate. The point is not that Ferrari has expanded their line. Interest in their brand has decreased because they've moved away from what makes a Ferrari a Ferrari while also expanding their line. Porsche and Lamborghini have not done this. They have expanded their lines while maintaining their identity. Historically Lamborghini resale has been atrocious, but not so anymore. That's what happens when you expand your appeal while maintaining the reason why people originally fell in love with your product.
My first Ducati was a 916, a joy to ride and so damn sexy. The new V2 is lighter, more powerful, certain to be way more reliable and still a great looking bike in my opinion. I reckon it will be awesome on the track!
The new v2 is lighter but not more powerful. It’s lighter by about 7-8% but down about 23% on power. Reliability is a question mark as well, it might be, but I wouldn’t count on first year Ducati variable cam timing.
😂. If you want more validation of your point, go on Ducati’s online builder for the new V2 and look at how much the parts are going to be. $750 for a steering dampener… You can get the new V2 up over $25k in a hurry and it’s supposed to compete with $12k bikes. 😂😂😂.
I'm excited about it! I want a street v2 it's better for a daily and great for Twisties . It's beautiful and awesome for riding the streets. Ducati is making a product for those of us who just ride. If you want a track bike get the v4. If you want a good dependable street bike Ducati now has you covered. I love this! I want one.i will say though I'd rather had the single side swing arm.
I'm glad I bought two red 2024 Panigale V2s for my twin boys. RIP to the Panigale V2. It's not the same bike. The 2025 Panigale V2 does dilute the Ducati brand. You are correct everyone is drawn to the racing heritage of Ducatis, I think the new bikes are losing the racing mystique.
Hold on to those two V2’s. Looks like it will be the last of the real middle weight Panigale. Regardless of lap times, I’m not paying $19K for a “Panigale” with a 120hp multistrada engine.
people get way to worked up ! most riders can't even drive to the skill of 170 hp . this is perfect , great looks and wont break your wrists for a daily ride
They can fix all of this. Just don’t call it a Panigale. I hated the “v2” label when they stopped naming them after displacement. Calling it a V2 when there’s a V4 of the same model year just makes it sound like the inferior version of Panigale whereas a 955 Panigale designation (as with previous models) would indicate a standalone machine built to purpose either for or in spite of a category. Same thing here with this new V2, it should just be the new SS or something and not be called a Panigale. Then either do away with the V2 altogether or expand on the ‘24 model machine, name it based on displacement, maybe give it aero to separate it further visually from the SS and link it more strongly to the V4, and keep its power output between 150 and 175bhp. Oh yeah, stop worrying about making things practical. “I was considering it’s practicality when I purchased my Ducati.”-said no one, ever, ever. You’re welcome Ducati. I just saved you.
100%. You don't buy a Panigale because it's comfortable. A selling point for the new Panigale is a fuel gauge and risers for the clip-ons? REALLY? It's no small feat this V2 will be 37lbs lighter than outgoing model, but the power to weight is still worse by quite a margin. 8% lighter but about 25% down on power. No thanks...
Hope so too. The interval should be longer but Ducati hasn’t really said how much longer. I would think the valve service itself is similar in cost since most of the labor is just getting access to the valve covers.
Honestly, you think that would be a key selling point if there is much of a difference? And once again, no surprise to anyone that buys a Ducati, right?
They have somehow made the SF even weirder looking than it already is. I thought the SF could only be improved upon, I was wrong. That exhaust especially is atrocious.
I’m kinda excited! It pits the V2 with the KTM RC990 along with the rest of the middleweights. Also with the weight down, an R version (or aftermarket) I’m sure can make slight changes for body position and power/torque curve for more of a track focus.
@ I’m just waiting to see how they do in WorldSSP next year. My theory was the V2s weight which limited them from winning the championship. Most weight + most power = hardest tyre wear compared to the rest of the grid. So…my guess is a limited R model just enough for FIM homologation with a short stroke, lower CC and higher redline. The softer rider triangle won’t matter as no track bike will run stock clip ons, seats or rearsets anyway.
I think you missed a very importnt point in Ducati's line of thougth - worldSSP! they're making racing motorcycles and the old v2 became a problem for them in the worldSSP so they made a new bike to compete and win races - less weite and right amount of power for the regulations. is it good or bad? time will tell... 🙂
Haha! That’s a good point. Everybody criticized Ducati for releasing a V2 FE and then releasing a V2 for 2025. Looks like it was a 4D chess moment and Ducati was really trying to tell us it was the end of the real V2. 😂.
Great points and perspective. I agree it’s homogenised and a risk to the elusive image, but I’m sure it will sell and leaves options open - V2R etc. Ultimately, we gotta wait and see how it rides. The rest is speculation. Cheers . G.
I'm not mad. I'm not a Ducati owner yet so I'm open to this new model. I don't care for single sided swing arm and desmo. Looks are subjective. I'll wait until people actually have them to review and compare before passing judgement.
Ducatis used to be exotics, cutting edge looks, Desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame, single sided swing arm, short maintenance cycle… you had to be an enthusiast to live with one. New models sell better (you can’t go on a weekend ride without seeing several) they are easier to ride and less work, the new V2 is just an ordinary motorcycle dressed in exotic ish looking fairings.
Yup. It's a supersport with Panigale fairings. Don't think anybody would be too happy with the new GT3RS being 8% lighter but down 25% on power. But all the non Ducati owners will sit here and continue to try to justify it.
this bike is great BUT it should not replace the old v2 it should replace the supersport 950... having a 120 to 200 hp gap is to much if you wanna Upgrade to big brother in future.. having 3 sport bikes. 120hp 155hp and 200+hp is the way to go
Spot on my friend. Good idea as daily rider but wow that exhaust is horrible! The fairings are also poorly designed. I think this design will be short lived.
My dealership told me the new service interval will be 18,000 miles instead of 15,000 miles. If this is true, this isn’t a bragging right between a desmo engine and normal valvetrain.
@stuartstogdill2046 you must work for Ducati since nobody knows what the valve service is going to cost for the 25 V2. Desmo is already only around a $1500 service as it is currently. You really think a traditional valve service is going to be a lot cheaper than that? Give me a break. By your other comments as well as this one, doesn't sound like you've ever even owned a Ducati. LOL.
@@ridewithKY I also doubt that coming from DUCATI, that the service would be even cheaper. Has anyone done a desmo service themselves? I have and I can tell you 95% of your time is spent disassembling the bike and engine. the actual measurement of the valve lashing is very straight-forward. I don't think we would save money.
@Joes432 great point. All the labor is getting to the valve covers themselves. That being said, it may be an even more expensive service when we factor in whatever mess is included with the variable intake timing. Thanks for chiming in with real experiences and info.
What did you all expect to happen? How did you not see this coming? Ducati traded their exclusitivity for more money on a mass production scale. Why do you think they shadted Martin the way they did and grabbed Marquez. Then take a look at honda and their super sport class.
Lighter, better low end torque and laps just as fast as the out going model and you can still drag elbow with stock setup. Sounds good to me. It'll only be faster in race trim. People complaining about this having "less power" are the same people complaining about the R9. People who do not understand what makes a bike fast. Guess what? Its not horsepower. Its power to weight and torque. Thats why inline 4s are dying because they lack torque.
It is actually slower around Vallelunga with a professional rider. Inconsequential anyways since Ducati has been very clear this is a street biased motorcycle focused on comfort. Notice how Ducati immediately had to defend the new 2025 V2 by pointing out certain sections of the track where it is faster? I don’t personally care about lap times from a professional rider, but when you come out with a redesign of a Panigale, it should be faster than its predecessor. Power to weight is important no doubt, but a Panigale should still have horsepower. 120 hp for ducatis halo line of motorcycles is pretty dismal.
@stuartstogdill2406 Ducati says you are wrong. Not that it really matters but Ducati says it is .249 slower around Vallelunga. You should do a little more research before commenting, this stuff isn't hard to find. www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/panigale/panigale-v2/performance
@ridewithKY Thats why i said JUST as fast. 2 tenths is nothing.(you can make up 2 tenths with a suspension adjustment😂). "For a track that favors hp" that means its going to be faster literally everywhere else and will only get faster once it starts competing. Believe it or not, super agressive racebikes on the street are not popular. Ducati created a bike that can do both while remaining committed enough to rip a racetrack, which is now easier than ever with the new electronics package. The new V4 is an example of this. People tend to confuse comfort and performance. You're going to be 3x as fast on a bike thats comfortable vs one thats super stiff, committed and has a lot of power. I know riders that are faster on their multistrada v4 than on their panigale. The days of uncomfortable, hyper aggressive pissmissles that kill people (which ultimately drives people away from motocycles) are gone. Well, unless you want a buell superbike, which is basically a old school barebones bike.
2 tenths is not just as fast. Again, not like it really matters in this context. As you've alluded to there's many variables that can influence your lap time. Believe it or not, in the Ducati family the super aggressive race bikes are popular. What sells more, the Supersport 950 or the Panigale V2? We can take it further... what is a stronger seller; the Panigale or the Streetfighter? Notice how all the aftermarket support is for the Panigale? Why is that? Ducati isn't like the vast majority of motorcycle manufacturers out there, their customer base is different. So you know riders who are faster on their multistrada, I have no doubt about it. Do you know any riders who are faster on their Panigale than they are on their Multi? Moot point... No pissmissle has killed anyone, it's the decisions that rider made that killed them. Or just pure bad luck if the incident was not their own doing. The bike itself is not what kills the rider.
I compared this 2025 V2 to the equivalent of Senna working with Honda and the NSX. Davide Stirpe was a team member and the test rider for the new V2. Also he won 3 Super Bike Championships and recently with the previous V2. I would think he knows what’s best when it comes to overall performance.
David Stirpe doesn’t have anything to do with the decision to completely change the direction of the V2. Doesn’t mean it won’t be a great bike, it most certainly will. But it’s not a Panigale. Senna and Nakajima assisted with the chassis/suspension tuning for the NSX, but weren’t involved with the NSX conceptually. Later on Zanardi further helped fine tune the chassis/suspension of the NSX. None of those formula 1 drivers were involved in the decisions to ultimately produce the NSX. It’s the same here. Test drivers are test drivers and the bean counters are bean counters.
😂😂😂😂. Go on the online Ducati configurator for this bike and look at how much the parts are going to cost. $750 for a steering dampener, $1800 for rearsets…😂
I dont understand this horsepower mania? What to do with 150-200 hp on the street anyway? Fkn crybabies! Ducati is smart goin this route, it will probably be more horsepower along the way…2026,27,28. This seems to be a very usable bike. Looks great, finaly a fuel gauge, probably less insurance and maintenance cost. People love to hate so much, its sad. Ride it first and then complain if you dont like it!
Depends where you are. Here in the USA, it’s easy to use all 150 hp from most of these bikes. I’m not advocating for anybody to do anything dangerous, but most of the US is pretty open. I live in the most populated state in the USA by a long shot and there are quite a few sections of highway where you won’t see a single soul for a long time. I agree. We’ll see how good it is when it’s released. Right now we just have to go off of whatever Ducati tells us.
@ to do what? Cruise on a highway at 180mph? If you want more hp buy the V4 then. Boring with same kind of bikes year after year. Cudos to Ducati to try something new. So sick and tired of people complaining before they even seen a wehicle irl or even try it. Its the same with every new car also, people only complain and dont have a clue what the manufactures have to deal with.
Nobody said anything about cruising at 180 mph. 😂. If this bike is so great, come back into this comment section when you buy one. Until then, the rest of us who regularly buy Ducati’s will continue to tell you this is a supersport with Panigale fairings.
You always know when someone loses an argument when they resort to personal attacks. When you buy one, come back in this comment section to share your thoughts. Your comment about “top heavy ass bikes” tells me you’ve never thrown your leg over a current gen V2.
I do agree to an extent. It’s going to be a great bike, much lighter than its predecessor and more street oriented. I will agree that makes it lose a bit of its Ducati flavor especially with it being down 35hp and 8tq and losing it DESMOS valve system. It’ll still be a great bike much more powered for it category in racing but otherwise I too think it’s low key a down grade. Still gonan be awesome to see them and I bet an exhaust and tune will help it but it’ll never be the same as its older models. I’d love to try one out once they’ve come to the US, but I wouldn’t upgrade from an FJ09 to the Ducati, maybe an R9 since it’ll be almost the same thing but a 2021+ ZX10R would be awesome even though that’s a big step up
Aprilia makes a great motorcycle but is certainly of lesser quality. Regardless the RSV4 would be in a different class from both the current and upcoming V2. This upcoming V2 would be closer to the RS660.
Agreed. Not sure if you watched the actual Ducati video release, but even the tachometer looked weird. It’s like a 10,000 RPM redline so the tachometer looked like you were sitting on a Ducati Monster. 🤢.
I swear, Ducatisti complain about everything. And this is coming from a fellow V4 owner. Back when the 1199 Panigale came out, people complained about it not having the same monstrous midrange that the 1098/1198 had. This is a good move for Ducati, as it is cheaper than the older V2 and they haven't really offered anything since the 848 in their bike lineup to bridge the gap between their beginner models and their true liter bikes for over a decade. The Superquadro will always be iconic, but this is a good decision for the company to attract new riders, no matter how you look at it.
I think there's some truth to Ducatisti complaining about everything possible. Those Ducatisti are also the ones that buy these bikes. If you look through the comments here, you'll see a lot of current Ducati owners, some who have owned over 30 Ducati's, are not very impressed with this bike. Doesn't mean it's a bad bike, nobody has thrown a leg over this thing other than a few Ducati employees. On paper it's pretty underwhelming. Panigale's are supposed to wow us, this doesn't do that.
Agree 100% The desmo system is Ducati's soul and needs to be kept no matter its drawbacks. People passionate about engines know what a marvelous work of art those engines are.
Certainly. It’s part of Ducati’s identity. I understand losing Desmo for the more pedestrian bikes, but the Panigale? A Panigale is supposed to be special, this V2 loses that.
I think you're spot on with your thoughts. Majority of Ducati owners, including me, purchase them for the looks / feeling the bike gives. Not necessarily track performance or how comfortable they are. This V2 is a total backwards step in my opinion - I have the current Bayliss and I can't see myself swapping it for this model.
Agreed. Major downgrade. The current gen V2 stands alone in its class. This incoming v2 will be pooled in with the R9, RS660, etc. That specialness a Panigale is supposed to give you, is gone. Hold on to that Bayliss brother.
@@ridewithKY - if I had to buy a bike in the 120bhp category, would I pay the premium for the new V2? I can't see it - the old V2 premium was justifiable as it was in its own class and had that Ducati specialness. The new bike will be a great bike but will people part with their money for one? Time will tell.
I had an RS660 before the V2 and it was a fantastic bike and nearly half the price of the V2. A slightly used S1K in the UK is cheaper than the V2. Most (not all) of the positive comments are likely from people that will never actually buy one...
Agreed! long time Ducati fan and owner and I can see a drastic change in direction for the company from aesthetically pleasing design to more performance oriented emphasis. They have slowly killed away everything that has made a Ducati a Ducati starting with the larger displacement V-Twin engine to the demise of the Trellis frame to the end of the single sided swingarm and now the death of the Desmo valve system. NOTHING left of the DNA that made a Ducati a Ducati!
@JxMx23 great points. This bike is basically supposed to compete with $12K bikes, yet costs about the same as the current V2. Which as you’ve alluded to, was in its own class. If you really want to have a laugh, go on Ducati’s online configuring tool for the new V2 and look at how much the parts are going to cost. $1800 for some rearsets, $750 for a steering dampener, $3000 for an exhaust (not including the necessary fairing). Bike gets over $25K in a hurry.
RS660 is a fantastic price especially for the cost. I have seen those bikes for under $10k in the USA either on sale or with factory incentives. Ton of bike for the money.
Your statement about those commenting positively but never having any intention of actually buying one is so true. 😂.
@Gary-r1o yup. Panigale is slowly losing its DNA. I understand the practical purpose for all these changes, but the Panigale is not supposed to be practical. Nobody buys a McLaren because of its practical cup holders and long service interval…
I’ll be buying one. It’s basically a better looking super sport 950s with less heat issues. Yes, I’ll take one - only ever ride mountains never go on track. It’s perfect for me.
Enjoy that new V2 when you get it. As long as you like it, then that’s what matters. 👊🏽
I love this new release of V2 and will most likely be getting one. I currently ride a Monster 937. When this Monster came out, people were upset that it didn't have the trellis frame. It has been a great bike for me for the street and for the track. I just don't love the way the headlights look on the monster.
To me, the new V2 looks beautiful. It is light-weight. Has the latest and greatest technology. Has more than enough horsepower for the street and the track. Not too uncomfortable. Has cruise control, and even has a fuel gauge which the previous one didn't. On paper for me, this checks all the boxes for street riding, commuting, canyon riding, and going to the track.
Enjoy that V2 if you end up getting one. You sound like a great candidate for the new V2!
So it inspires the Monster rider, which is good right. But the purest are turned away. I am not a fan one bit, for all of the reasons. I don’t own a V2 for comfort, I don’t own a V2 for practicality, I own it because #racebike! The V2 truly exceeds my capabilities on and off track, which constantly challenges me to become better. So now, Ducati wants to meet me where I’m at? Naw… I’m good… Lamborghini, Ferrari don’t design based on comfort, but rather how it makes you feel, mixed with bikes that exceed our capabilities, but it’s exciting that own it. Price should not be the reason you buy one… it shouldn’t be affordable for everyone and with the price released, it hasn’t changed for the V2S. If you are looking to buy a V2, don’t buy this one, you’ll thank me later.
@@Artikoner850 well my point is that it is a different bike. It is a totally new bike. The name just happens to be V2 which upsets people who THINK that the V2 name means that it should behave a certain way. Well that V2 is no more. Many of these people would have been more fine if it was called SS and if Ducati had just cancelled the V2. R6 was cancelled too, people missed it, but they understood.
If u look at this bike with the lens of "Is it a good bike?" , the answer would be absolutely yes. Of course we have just seen the specs, and we need to ride it first, but on paper, it is a fantastic bike. I think Ducati decided to go with the Panigale V2 name just because they think they would sell more with this name. But in the end, it's just a name.
If u need something that exceeds your skills, Ducati still has the V4 for u.
I think its great in terms of usable power on the street. 120ps is a sweet spot. Cant wait for them to release in 2025.
It could very well be a really nice riding bike. We'll see in 2025.
I agree. Ducati bikes should remain special.
Indeed! That’s what makes it a Panigale. Leave the practicality to other bikes in the line.
Lighter bike with more low end torque and a more comfortable riding position is a winning recipe.
You are describing a supersport, not a Panigale.
@ridewithKY The supersport won't be racing in supersport. The new V2 won't need to be restricted in the championship now and it's 17kg lighter.
Are we talking about the new V2 in the context of the street or in the context of professional motorcycle racing? The video was in the context of a street application which is consistent with how Ducati is publicizing this motorcycle.
All good points regarding its competitiveness in supersport.
It will be better on the street and the track. It's only 0.2 seconds a lap slower than a full power 2024 V2 so it will be faster than the current power restricted 2024 race bikes.
We’ll see if it’s better on the street. Be interested to see if it’s really 37 lbs lighter than the outgoing V2. You know how manufacturers are with their “specs” sometimes…
So the V2 and Supersport were basically combined into one bike to fight bikes like the R9 and RC990. The prior V2 was in a class of its own, this new one is competitive with the up and coming super sport class…
I agree that’s the intention. That’s not what a Panigale is though. Panigale is supposed to be in its own class, you buy a Panigale because it’s unique and special. You don’t buy a Panigale because it’s the Ducati version of an R9.
@@ridewithKYcouldn’ve said it better and this bike NEEDS ecs!! Especially for 18k
Similar price to the current V2 but sure seems like you get a lot less.
@jaysonkawasaki somebody commented the new valvetrain is supposed to have an 18,000 mile interval instead of the current 15,000 mile interval for desmo. Inconsequential difference… give me desmo if that’s all I’m gaining in service interval.
@@ridewithKY I think electronically controlled suspension would’ve taken this bike to the next level…
Have to agree. As an owner of several Ducatis over the years, from a 748SPS, 998S, 999S, 1098S, Monster S4RS, 1199S, 1299S and currently lucky enough to own a Panigale V4SP2 30 Anniversario 916, having owned a V4 S 2018 before that, I can concur that both the new V4 and V2 feel very much like neutered down versions of what we classicly identify with as making their products unique. As you say a potentially dangerous path they have chosen to follow in pursuit of market share.
Notice how all the people in the comments who have Ducati's currently are pretty unimpressed by the new Panigale's. But all the people who have never bought a Ducati and probably never will are making excuses on Ducati's behalf. The weight reduction is impressive (if the numbers are even true), but I don't think it's much of a selling point when a manufacturer tells you the new version of Panigale is slower than the old one, but only by a little bit.
It’s weird that people reduce supersport bikes to a single metric-peak horsepower. The Panigale gets variable valve timing and loses a score of kilograms, but people complain it’s not exciting. Most road riders roll around in the midrange of the powerband. They don’t optimize the gearing to make the most of the peak power. The variable intake and lightweight will make a huge difference for them. Plus, the power is determined by the Supersport homologation.
I don't think it's that people are reducing this bike to just the HP number. It's that Ducati comes out and says here's our new bike, it's slower than the old one but only by a little bit. It's much lighter which 37 lbs is no small feat. But conveniently leave out the fact the power to weight is ultimately much worse than the prior Panigale. A replacement should be an improvement in all aspects.
@ The issue is that the marginal cost of horsepower is basically zero. Naturally, manufacturers work day and night to convince consumers that horsepower is valuable and they should pay big money for it. Same with lap times. It’s mostly tires and maybe a bit of brake. They’ve also taught consumers to devalue improvements that have high marginal cost, like redesigning and optimizing components, eliminating weight, etc. Ducati has made a demonstrably better bike, cutting 10kg of dead weight out of the non-variable desmo valvetrain and cylinder head, and creating a useable flat torque curve and long service intervals with fewer shim adjustments, but people complain because it’s .1 seconds slower around Vallelunga. The manufacturers did this to themselves by conning consumers, but it’s crazy how many people are actually under their marketing spell.
All great points. I don’t think we know what the interval is going to be for this valvetrain though. Somebody in the comment section said their dealership indicated it would be an 18,000 mile interval as opposed to the 15,000 mile desmo interval. If true, that’s a pretty small increment. It’s not nothing, but it’s not a ton either. A 15,000 mile interval for desmo is already pretty long. Also, I doubt the service itself will be much cheaper. Most of the labor for desmo is getting to the cylinder heads. Also, we now have that added complexity of the variable cam timing. Time will tell.
The weight reduction on this bike is surely impressive (if the number is even accurate). If we take a step back though, we see the power to weight ratio is significantly worse than the prior gen. Doesn’t mean this will be a bad bike but the numbers are what they are. Should we accept manufacturers giving us slower bikes with each new generation? Not sure if that’s a good idea as consumers.
Have to say, this is probably the best summation of why people buy Ducatis, it's an emotional purchase.
I've had some 30 Ducatis now and currently own the Panigale V4 SP2 30th anniversario 916, my good lady has the Panigale V2 Final Edition and a 1200S Multistrada.
As much as I understand why they are making their design choices, as much as I think they look, ok, to me,they are now mainstream motorcycles.
There's no longer a reason to follow your heart to buy a Ducati as they don't offer anything significantly different to other manufacturers, the emotional bubble has effectively burst.
Bikes that will never race, nor have a race series have no business with a dual sided arm, streetfighters and the new V2 are not race bikes which need the double sided to go quicker, they are road bikes with monumental price tags and now,no incentive to buy one, for me anyway. I'm so glad myself and my partner bought when we did, last in the line of outstandingly gorgeous bikes bought from the heart.
Great video dude👌
Thank you! I would say 30 Ducati purchases makes you a true Ducati fan and part of the core demographic. Seeing as you are unimpressed by this bike says a lot. Enjoy that SP2 anniversario, man that's a beautiful bike. I'm only on my 3rd Ducati now (all purchased new) and at least from what I'm seeing now, I will not be buying this new generation of Panigale. Cheers, ride safe.
I rhink they are totally right👍🏻
Everybody cannot buy a F1 motorbike for the road..!
It is called Harmony👌🏼
That said they can keep a 200ps bike for the track people but for most of us 110-130ps is just perfect match, 35000km on a Supersport S 🤝
Totally horryfied on a 214ps V4 Panigale 🥵
Hi RidewithKY I really appreciate your insights about the new Panigale V2. Im kinda interested in the V2S but I’m still debating whether to get the new V2S next year or the new 2025 V4? I’m currently riding the monster 937. What would be your personal recommendations since you have both experiences with V2 and V4? And why?
Thank you and I’ll support your channel
Kinda hard to say since I don't have any real world experience with either yet. All I have are spec sheets and some photos/videos. Both the V4 and V2 next year are going to be completely new architecture. The V4 engine is basically the same as the current gen V4 so it should be solid. The V2 engine is completely new and with the addition of variable cam timing; I would be cautious with that one. If it were me I'd stay on the Monster until this Panigale fiasco works itself out. I have a feeling they will do a slight redesign on the fairings for the V4 as most people aren't too thrilled with the appearance.
If I had to get one of these bikes next year, it'd be the V4. Mostly because we know the engine is proven and it still retains its specialness. For me personally, I do not want a Panigale that has the same engine as a Multistrada, Monster, etc. Panigale's should have their own engines. Hope that helps man.
I’m not mad. The new direction of the new V2 bodes well for the value of the V2 Final Edition that I have coming in a couple months! 👏🏼😝
Now we know the real reason why Ducati released the V2FE. Even Ducati knew this new V2 isn’t a real Panigale. 😂
The real question I’m most curious about is, would those that currently own a V2 (I am one) buy this (obliterated) version of the V2? (You must know my answer)
Same. To be fair, neither of us have seen the bike yet in person. Going off of what we know so far though, I’d never trade a current gen V2 for this. Any Panigale should wow a potential buyer, it should be special and that’s what justifies the price. Here we get a Panigale with a Multistrada engine, and supersport 950 clip ons. It is impressive this bike is supposed to be 37 lbs lighter. However, when we step back we see its weight is down 8% but power is down 25%. Yeah, no thanks.
If you look through the comments here, you’ll see people who actually buy Ducati’s are not very impressed with this release. Those that are praising this move don’t have ducatis and I doubt they’ll actually be buying one of these. When you hear of people buying 6, 10, even 30 ducatis over a period of 15 years, that makes absolutely zero sense but people do it because Ducati’s are special. A supersport 950 with panigale fairings is not special…
cheers mate, thanks for sharing the perspective of someone who actually has a Ducati and more importantly, a V2.
Interesting and probably quite correct for a demographic. I love Ducatis and have MSV4S for long trips. Never felt right on a Panigale for variety of reasons including ergos. The new V2 may fit the bill. Is Ducati targeting a new or additional demographic?
Absolutely. They are trying to widen their appeal. Maybe this new V2 will be a little better fit for you. 👊🏽.
"Buying a Ducati isn't supposed to make sense"...Exactly Right
For companies to stay in business, they have to adjust to the evolution of the market. Companies like Porsche and Ferrari‘s for example, had to do the exact same thing. The reason why Porsches is able to do the R&D programs for exotic cars is because they have the full & small size SUV. Which generates the bulk of the company sales. And by making a more comfortable, more reliable and more affordable middleweight motorcycle. It allows them to keep making the Exotic and limited production bikes that you spoke about.
Absolutely spot on there mate, Iv'e always fancied a Ducati sport bike but they have always been way out of my reach but this bike at the price they have pitched it at brings it a darn site closer to my door. Not everyone has got £25,000 to spend on their Sunday toy !!
@tonychettleburgh8953 we are talking about $2000 difference between the old v2 and the new one. That’s not nothing, but hardly enough to shut out a buyer completely. Afterall it’s still going to be more than the competition. KTM 990 might be close in price but we don’t quite know yet. R9 is significantly cheaper and RS660 even cheaper than that. The new S and the old base will be the same price.
Not really… Porsche has done an excellent job at expanding their appeal without sacrificing the identity of the company. Notice how the 911 has remained very 911, all the while expanding their line. The boxster and cayenne saved the company financially in the late 90’s/early 00’s. At the same time they never sacrificed what the 911 was because the 911 is the identity of the company. When you think of Porsche, you don’t think of the Panamera. You think of the 911. As a result look at the value’s of Porsche’s. Their resale value is always at the top and their brand interest is at an all time high.
On the other hand Ferrari has done a very poor job of expanding their appeal while still retaining the DNA of the company. I could go on and on about Ferrari right now. All I’ll say is look at where 296, Roma, and SF90 values are right now. Not long ago you had to beg Ferrari to even sell you a car for over sticker. Not so anymore. This is shocking because most Ferrari buyers do not cross shop. They ONLY buy Ferrari’s. There’s a lot more to the Ferrari situation but I won’t go into it.
What Ducati is doing here is not at all like what Porsche did.
@@ridewithKY Thank you for your insight. I agree, but I also disagree. I understand the analogy of the 911. And this is just food for thought. The equivalent of the 911 for Ducati would be the V4. All of their more exotic motorcycles are based primarily off of the V4 like the 911. The GT 2 & GT 3 etc. are based off of the 911. The Ducati V2 would be more like the Porsche Boxster. A great car. A great teammate and asset to the main character in the story. And the reason why I brought up Ferrari is because they did something that they said they would never ever do. Which is start making SUVs to offset just like other companies have. They said that they wanted a piece of the pie of the Lamborghini Urus, and this is their way of going about it. To maintain a tomorrow for the company. Cause just like you said some of those other vehicles that got released was not the answer. Thank you again for your insight. Appreciate you!
@@robertlockett6670 I appreciate the connection you are trying to make but the 911 and Boxster are two different vehicle families. V2, Bayliss, V2FE, V4, V4R, SP2, Moto GP Rep, etc. are all under the Panigale family despite obvious differences between them all. They are all so related that there is a lot of part compatibility between all the bikes previously mentioned. Ultimately they are a lot more alike than they are different. Boxster and 911 basically have no cross compatibility and are not at all within the same family of cars.
When the Boxster was released, Porsche was very clear it was an addition to the line and the 911 philosophy would be untouched. That is not at all what Ducati has done. They have not added to their line with this new V2, they have changed what the Panigale V2 is. Saying the V2 is akin to a Boxster is just not accurate.
The point is not that Ferrari has expanded their line. Interest in their brand has decreased because they've moved away from what makes a Ferrari a Ferrari while also expanding their line. Porsche and Lamborghini have not done this. They have expanded their lines while maintaining their identity. Historically Lamborghini resale has been atrocious, but not so anymore. That's what happens when you expand your appeal while maintaining the reason why people originally fell in love with your product.
My first Ducati was a 916, a joy to ride and so damn sexy. The new V2 is lighter, more powerful, certain to be way more reliable and still a great looking bike in my opinion. I reckon it will be awesome on the track!
The new v2 is lighter but not more powerful. It’s lighter by about 7-8% but down about 23% on power. Reliability is a question mark as well, it might be, but I wouldn’t count on first year Ducati variable cam timing.
@@ridewithKY I believe the standard 916 was only about 114 bhp
In this video we are comparing the current v2 with the incoming v2. Why would we compare it with a 30 year old motorcycle?
This bike will be proof, if you buy this over the R9, you only buy Ducati for the flex. To each their own, I just think it's kinda silly.
😂. If you want more validation of your point, go on Ducati’s online builder for the new V2 and look at how much the parts are going to be. $750 for a steering dampener… You can get the new V2 up over $25k in a hurry and it’s supposed to compete with $12k bikes. 😂😂😂.
@ dude could you imagine?!! Holy smokes. Great content, but the way. Keep it coming!
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I'm excited about it! I want a street v2 it's better for a daily and great for Twisties . It's beautiful and awesome for riding the streets. Ducati is making a product for those of us who just ride. If you want a track bike get the v4. If you want a good dependable street bike Ducati now has you covered. I love this! I want one.i will say though I'd rather had the single side swing arm.
I'm glad I bought two red 2024 Panigale V2s for my twin boys. RIP to the Panigale V2. It's not the same bike. The 2025 Panigale V2 does dilute the Ducati brand. You are correct everyone is drawn to the racing heritage of Ducatis, I think the new bikes are losing the racing mystique.
Hold on to those two V2’s. Looks like it will be the last of the real middle weight Panigale. Regardless of lap times, I’m not paying $19K for a “Panigale” with a 120hp multistrada engine.
people get way to worked up ! most riders can't even drive to the skill of 170 hp . this is perfect , great looks and wont break your wrists for a daily ride
A lot of truth to this. We’ll see once it comes out.
As a non-racer, I’m perfectly fine with the specs.. the looks, however, doesn’t quite do it for me.
They can fix all of this. Just don’t call it a Panigale. I hated the “v2” label when they stopped naming them after displacement. Calling it a V2 when there’s a V4 of the same model year just makes it sound like the inferior version of Panigale whereas a 955 Panigale designation (as with previous models) would indicate a standalone machine built to purpose either for or in spite of a category. Same thing here with this new V2, it should just be the new SS or something and not be called a Panigale. Then either do away with the V2 altogether or expand on the ‘24 model machine, name it based on displacement, maybe give it aero to separate it further visually from the SS and link it more strongly to the V4, and keep its power output between 150 and 175bhp. Oh yeah, stop worrying about making things practical.
“I was considering it’s practicality when I purchased my Ducati.”-said no one, ever, ever. You’re welcome Ducati. I just saved you.
100%. You don't buy a Panigale because it's comfortable. A selling point for the new Panigale is a fuel gauge and risers for the clip-ons? REALLY? It's no small feat this V2 will be 37lbs lighter than outgoing model, but the power to weight is still worse by quite a margin. 8% lighter but about 25% down on power. No thanks...
Looks great and probably better for actual street use. Hope it has less ducati tax maintenance with the new engine that is a big win.
Hope so too. The interval should be longer but Ducati hasn’t really said how much longer. I would think the valve service itself is similar in cost since most of the labor is just getting access to the valve covers.
Honestly, you think that would be a key selling point if there is much of a difference? And once again, no surprise to anyone that buys a Ducati, right?
AGree with you. The new Panigale V2 is one thing, but what about the V2 streetfighter?! Holy crap that thing looks wimpy.
They have somehow made the SF even weirder looking than it already is. I thought the SF could only be improved upon, I was wrong. That exhaust especially is atrocious.
Great job on the Ducati purists evaluation. Unfortunately Audi has different marketing plains for the brand.
Agreed. It’s not necessarily a bad thing across the board, but for those that love the Ducati brand it’s sad to see its DNA slowly fade away.
I’m kinda excited! It pits the V2 with the KTM RC990 along with the rest of the middleweights.
Also with the weight down, an R version (or aftermarket) I’m sure can make slight changes for body position and power/torque curve for more of a track focus.
We’ll see! Your prediction could very well be proven true.
@ I’m just waiting to see how they do in WorldSSP next year. My theory was the V2s weight which limited them from winning the championship. Most weight + most power = hardest tyre wear compared to the rest of the grid. So…my guess is a limited R model just enough for FIM homologation with a short stroke, lower CC and higher redline.
The softer rider triangle won’t matter as no track bike will run stock clip ons, seats or rearsets anyway.
I think you missed a very importnt point in Ducati's line of thougth - worldSSP!
they're making racing motorcycles and the old v2 became a problem for them in the worldSSP so they made a new bike to compete and win races - less weite and right amount of power for the regulations.
is it good or bad? time will tell... 🙂
That is why they released the final edition of current V2
Haha! That’s a good point. Everybody criticized Ducati for releasing a V2 FE and then releasing a V2 for 2025. Looks like it was a 4D chess moment and Ducati was really trying to tell us it was the end of the real V2. 😂.
Great point! 😂
well said. send this vid to ducati executives 🤝
Haha appreciate it, thank you!
What tires are you running on your bikes?
Rosso IV’s and super corsa’s.
Great points and perspective. I agree it’s homogenised and a risk to the elusive image, but I’m sure it will sell and leaves options open - V2R etc. Ultimately, we gotta wait and see how it rides. The rest is speculation. Cheers . G.
Yup, good point! It's likely this bike will be a good one. On paper though, pretty unimpressed. Cheers.
@ I hear you. Let’s see. In the meantime, take care my friend 🫶.
I'm not mad. I'm not a Ducati owner yet so I'm open to this new model. I don't care for single sided swing arm and desmo. Looks are subjective. I'll wait until people actually have them to review and compare before passing judgement.
Totally fair.
Buy a Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki… Ducatis are supposed to be art pieces… not for everyone.
@Artikoner850 I currently have a 2007 cbr1000rr so looking for something that's not Japanese.
@@CuongNguyen-yj8qo IMO… don’t buy a 2025 V2… test ride first… then buy a real 2021-2024 V2. You’ll thank me later. 😉
Ducatis used to be exotics, cutting edge looks, Desmo valves, dry clutch, trellis frame, single sided swing arm, short maintenance cycle… you had to be an enthusiast to live with one. New models sell better (you can’t go on a weekend ride without seeing several) they are easier to ride and less work, the new V2 is just an ordinary motorcycle dressed in exotic ish looking fairings.
Haha and this time they couldn’t even get the fairings right. If it wasn’t red, you’d lose it in a row of sport bikes.
Looks like older pani v2’s stonks just 📈📈📈
Sad to see they used the pani v2 name and butchered it with this essentially a supersport variant.
Yup. It's a supersport with Panigale fairings. Don't think anybody would be too happy with the new GT3RS being 8% lighter but down 25% on power. But all the non Ducati owners will sit here and continue to try to justify it.
I really hope it rides like a Ducati on the track...
Only time will tell...
Everyone is mad and complains at everything that doesn’t have 200hp. 😂
Haha gotta be able to complain about something!
Nope, not even close… I would have bought the V4 if that was the case. I, personally, wanted a rounded track/street bike for dual purposes.
Agree! 100%
My man 👊🏽
And people said r9 should have more hp 😂because of 900cc
😂😂😂. Took all the heat away from the R9, everybody can rage about the V2 now
this bike is great BUT it should not replace the old v2 it should replace the supersport 950... having a 120 to 200 hp gap is to much if you wanna Upgrade to big brother in future.. having 3 sport bikes. 120hp 155hp and 200+hp is the way to go
100%. If you look at the seating position, risers on the clip ons, engine layout, this is a supersport 950. This is not a Panigale!
Spot on my friend. Good idea as daily rider but wow that exhaust is horrible! The fairings are also poorly designed. I think this design will be short lived.
That exhaust is atrocious, first thing I noticed. The Termignoni option doesn't look much better honestly.
They did this for World super sport they had to severely detune their v2 to race so i guess they just made a new v2 so they sont have to detune
Sure did.
My dealership told me the new service interval will be 18,000 miles instead of 15,000 miles. If this is true, this isn’t a bragging right between a desmo engine and normal valvetrain.
I agree. If that 18k interval is true, that’s inconsequential between springs and desmo. What a let down…
@@ridewithKY Total ignorance. It gives you a bit longer interval and a wildly cheaper cost.
@stuartstogdill2046 you must work for Ducati since nobody knows what the valve service is going to cost for the 25 V2. Desmo is already only around a $1500 service as it is currently. You really think a traditional valve service is going to be a lot cheaper than that? Give me a break.
By your other comments as well as this one, doesn't sound like you've ever even owned a Ducati. LOL.
@@ridewithKY I also doubt that coming from DUCATI, that the service would be even cheaper. Has anyone done a desmo service themselves? I have and I can tell you 95% of your time is spent disassembling the bike and engine. the actual measurement of the valve lashing is very straight-forward. I don't think we would save money.
@Joes432 great point. All the labor is getting to the valve covers themselves. That being said, it may be an even more expensive service when we factor in whatever mess is included with the variable intake timing. Thanks for chiming in with real experiences and info.
Im actually looking forward to it never want a ducati till now desmo valve system is old and outdated maybe moving away is for the good of things
Could very well be!
This is really a panogale supersport.
Exactly. Doesn't mean it won't be a good bike, but this is not a real Pani.
What did you all expect to happen? How did you not see this coming? Ducati traded their exclusitivity for more money on a mass production scale. Why do you think they shadted Martin the way they did and grabbed Marquez. Then take a look at honda and their super sport class.
All good points. Going the way of Ferrari unfortunately.
@ridewithKY Extremely unfortunate. I definitely appreciate your video, BTW.
@TWay-fy9bk thank you for the support. Take care. 👊🏽.
Lighter, better low end torque and laps just as fast as the out going model and you can still drag elbow with stock setup. Sounds good to me. It'll only be faster in race trim. People complaining about this having "less power" are the same people complaining about the R9. People who do not understand what makes a bike fast. Guess what? Its not horsepower. Its power to weight and torque. Thats why inline 4s are dying because they lack torque.
It is actually slower around Vallelunga with a professional rider. Inconsequential anyways since Ducati has been very clear this is a street biased motorcycle focused on comfort. Notice how Ducati immediately had to defend the new 2025 V2 by pointing out certain sections of the track where it is faster? I don’t personally care about lap times from a professional rider, but when you come out with a redesign of a Panigale, it should be faster than its predecessor.
Power to weight is important no doubt, but a Panigale should still have horsepower. 120 hp for ducatis halo line of motorcycles is pretty dismal.
@@ridewithKY It's faster...
@stuartstogdill2406 Ducati says you are wrong. Not that it really matters but Ducati says it is .249 slower around Vallelunga. You should do a little more research before commenting, this stuff isn't hard to find.
www.ducati.com/us/en/bikes/panigale/panigale-v2/performance
@ridewithKY Thats why i said JUST as fast. 2 tenths is nothing.(you can make up 2 tenths with a suspension adjustment😂). "For a track that favors hp" that means its going to be faster literally everywhere else and will only get faster once it starts competing.
Believe it or not, super agressive racebikes on the street are not popular. Ducati created a bike that can do both while remaining committed enough to rip a racetrack, which is now easier than ever with the new electronics package. The new V4 is an example of this.
People tend to confuse comfort and performance. You're going to be 3x as fast on a bike thats comfortable vs one thats super stiff, committed and has a lot of power. I know riders that are faster on their multistrada v4 than on their panigale. The days of uncomfortable, hyper aggressive pissmissles that kill people (which ultimately drives people away from motocycles) are gone. Well, unless you want a buell superbike, which is basically a old school barebones bike.
2 tenths is not just as fast. Again, not like it really matters in this context. As you've alluded to there's many variables that can influence your lap time.
Believe it or not, in the Ducati family the super aggressive race bikes are popular. What sells more, the Supersport 950 or the Panigale V2? We can take it further... what is a stronger seller; the Panigale or the Streetfighter? Notice how all the aftermarket support is for the Panigale? Why is that? Ducati isn't like the vast majority of motorcycle manufacturers out there, their customer base is different.
So you know riders who are faster on their multistrada, I have no doubt about it. Do you know any riders who are faster on their Panigale than they are on their Multi? Moot point... No pissmissle has killed anyone, it's the decisions that rider made that killed them. Or just pure bad luck if the incident was not their own doing. The bike itself is not what kills the rider.
If you ride your bike everyday or every week (street) this new bike is an awesome thing. Body design looks boring to slightly ugg though.
Definitely going to be more comfortable on the street.
I compared this 2025 V2 to the equivalent of Senna working with Honda and the NSX. Davide Stirpe was a team member and the test rider for the new V2. Also he won 3 Super Bike Championships and recently with the previous V2. I would think he knows what’s best when it comes to overall performance.
David Stirpe doesn’t have anything to do with the decision to completely change the direction of the V2. Doesn’t mean it won’t be a great bike, it most certainly will. But it’s not a Panigale.
Senna and Nakajima assisted with the chassis/suspension tuning for the NSX, but weren’t involved with the NSX conceptually. Later on Zanardi further helped fine tune the chassis/suspension of the NSX. None of those formula 1 drivers were involved in the decisions to ultimately produce the NSX. It’s the same here. Test drivers are test drivers and the bean counters are bean counters.
I nEeD eVeRyOnE tO kNoW I pAiD a LoT fOr My bIke
😂😂😂😂. Go on the online Ducati configurator for this bike and look at how much the parts are going to cost. $750 for a steering dampener, $1800 for rearsets…😂
it looks great
I actually think this looks better than the upcoming V4.
@@ridewithKY so do i
if ur not a squid... then dont compaint the bike is good ride it hard
So you rode one already? 😂
I dont understand this horsepower mania? What to do with 150-200 hp on the street anyway? Fkn crybabies! Ducati is smart goin this route, it will probably be more horsepower along the way…2026,27,28. This seems to be a very usable bike. Looks great, finaly a fuel gauge, probably less insurance and maintenance cost. People love to hate so much, its sad. Ride it first and then complain if you dont like it!
Depends where you are. Here in the USA, it’s easy to use all 150 hp from most of these bikes. I’m not advocating for anybody to do anything dangerous, but most of the US is pretty open. I live in the most populated state in the USA by a long shot and there are quite a few sections of highway where you won’t see a single soul for a long time.
I agree. We’ll see how good it is when it’s released. Right now we just have to go off of whatever Ducati tells us.
@ to do what? Cruise on a highway at 180mph? If you want more hp buy the V4 then. Boring with same kind of bikes year after year. Cudos to Ducati to try something new. So sick and tired of people complaining before they even seen a wehicle irl or even try it. Its the same with every new car also, people only complain and dont have a clue what the manufactures have to deal with.
Nobody said anything about cruising at 180 mph. 😂. If this bike is so great, come back into this comment section when you buy one. Until then, the rest of us who regularly buy Ducati’s will continue to tell you this is a supersport with Panigale fairings.
@@ridewithKY 😂 keep on hug your egos and narrow minds with over the top heavy ass bikes that you brag about at the gas station.
You always know when someone loses an argument when they resort to personal attacks. When you buy one, come back in this comment section to share your thoughts. Your comment about “top heavy ass bikes” tells me you’ve never thrown your leg over a current gen V2.
Couldn't agree more with you. 👍great video
Appreciate it! Thank you for watching!
Trying to make $ the wrong way
I do agree to an extent. It’s going to be a great bike, much lighter than its predecessor and more street oriented. I will agree that makes it lose a bit of its Ducati flavor especially with it being down 35hp and 8tq and losing it DESMOS valve system. It’ll still be a great bike much more powered for it category in racing but otherwise I too think it’s low key a down grade. Still gonan be awesome to see them and I bet an exhaust and tune will help it but it’ll never be the same as its older models. I’d love to try one out once they’ve come to the US, but I wouldn’t upgrade from an FJ09 to the Ducati, maybe an R9 since it’ll be almost the same thing but a 2021+ ZX10R would be awesome even though that’s a big step up
All good points. I also think it will be a great bike, but don’t think it’s worthy of the panigale name.
Aprilia rsv4 is a bargain compare to Ducati and it sounds better.
Aprilia makes a great motorcycle but is certainly of lesser quality. Regardless the RSV4 would be in a different class from both the current and upcoming V2. This upcoming V2 would be closer to the RS660.
It's going to make around 100hp on the dyno. That's trash for that price. Those euro emissions ruined the v2
Agreed. Not sure if you watched the actual Ducati video release, but even the tachometer looked weird. It’s like a 10,000 RPM redline so the tachometer looked like you were sitting on a Ducati Monster. 🤢.
I swear, Ducatisti complain about everything. And this is coming from a fellow V4 owner. Back when the 1199 Panigale came out, people complained about it not having the same monstrous midrange that the 1098/1198 had. This is a good move for Ducati, as it is cheaper than the older V2 and they haven't really offered anything since the 848 in their bike lineup to bridge the gap between their beginner models and their true liter bikes for over a decade. The Superquadro will always be iconic, but this is a good decision for the company to attract new riders, no matter how you look at it.
I think there's some truth to Ducatisti complaining about everything possible. Those Ducatisti are also the ones that buy these bikes. If you look through the comments here, you'll see a lot of current Ducati owners, some who have owned over 30 Ducati's, are not very impressed with this bike. Doesn't mean it's a bad bike, nobody has thrown a leg over this thing other than a few Ducati employees. On paper it's pretty underwhelming. Panigale's are supposed to wow us, this doesn't do that.
This is the best faired bike on the market now!
How do you know? 😂
Agree 100%
The desmo system is Ducati's soul and needs to be kept no matter its drawbacks.
People passionate about engines know what a marvelous work of art those engines are.
Certainly. It’s part of Ducati’s identity. I understand losing Desmo for the more pedestrian bikes, but the Panigale? A Panigale is supposed to be special, this V2 loses that.
@@ridewithKY True, they turn it into an ordinary bike. Maybe perfect, maybe even quicker and cheaper, but ordinary.
Great way to put it
How is the new Panigale ordinary though? It's much lighter and has way more torque than anything in its class.@@c.g.c2067
Not a let down and nobody is really mad... a truly ignorant video.
The comment section here says you are wrong... a truly ignorant comment.
One word. Lame
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